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Pepchoninga Mafia Scum
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I believe that what Accountant is doing is provoking people to show there true self. Questions in mafia are not asked for people to get answers but to see reactions. Ways they answer are hints to who they are. Tho this can also be used as a great protection. Xe almost talks like all his actions till this point are all made in the benefit of town. While other members are showing some motives and are even demonstating there playstyles, Accountant is being calm and collected, asking questions and then leaving them at that, without taking actions or persuing people who he belives are not town to further pressure them.
FoS: Accountant
Also I think it was you who asked me if I like early pressure lynches. Here is my answer: It depends. When I play in a new enviorment like this, with people I do not know, I mostly like to not take actions till I get the flow of the game and get to actually know a the people I'm playing with a little bit.
About bandwagoning. This is a term that was constantly used to point mafia in my first games of mafia on another not dedicated to mafia forum. Bandwagoning too fast and without trying to give your thoughts on why exactly you think a certain person deserves your vote could be suspicious. If you bandwagon with reason then it's not a bad thing. In fact is a winning move for Town.-
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I read accountant scum initially for the same reasons as pepchoninga and I want to say it's a sheep but I don't think it's the case. It feels too obvious a sheep when the only (what I think is) substantial scum read given was from me and his scum read seems to be almost identical. The reason why I think it might not be a sheep (and this is the way I'm leaning for now) is that near the bottom of post 82,
he says "also I think it was you who asked me" which shows that he's probably just skimming through the thread and not really paying attention to exactly what is being said. I feel like he probably just saw accountant's name pop up the most in posts and just read through those posts and decided to make a stance on accountant's alignment. So for now, I lightly town lean on pepchoninga because I think that his thoughts are coming from a towny mind set since I thought the same things.[/quote]In post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:I believe that what Accountant is doing is provoking people to show there true self. Questions in mafia are not asked for people to get answers but to see reactions. Ways they answer are hints to who they are. Tho this can also be used as a great protection. Xe almost talks like all his actions till this point are all made in the benefit of town. While other members are showing some motives and are even demonstating there playstyles, Accountant is being calm and collected, asking questions and then leaving them at that, without taking actions or persuing people who he belives are not town to further pressure them.
FoS: Accountant
Also I think it was you who asked me if I like early pressure lynches. Here is my answer: It depends. When I play in a new enviorment like this, with people I do not know, I mostly like to not take actions till I get the flow of the game and get to actually know a the people I'm playing with a little bit.
About bandwagoning. This is a term that was constantly used to point mafia in my first games of mafia on another not dedicated to mafia forum. Bandwagoning too fast and without trying to give your thoughts on why exactly you think a certain person deserves your vote could be suspicious. If you bandwagon with reason then it's not a bad thing. In fact is a winning move for Town.
I have skimmed some of the posts but I have paid enough attention to know what is happening on the other fronts of the game. I moved in on Accountant since he did seem to be the most active and eager the get every information posible while his passiveness contributed to him trying to protect his alliance. In my first game I played with a player who had a similar game plan and ended being the godfather and shadowing our thoughts for most of the game. This is one of the soul purposes I don't belive in this playing style.
I will admit I have not been as active in the discussion and will try to change that.-
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While Ramicus's playing style really does seem like a scared townie who is being aggressive and cocky (and I hate this way of playing) I'm still not biting on him being town. You say people give false accusations on you, yet you have only really gone against the people that actually question your allegiance. Why?-
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By alliance I mean either Town or Scum Accountant.
Well, you say if you are not gonna help me scum hunt then don't stay in my way. I haven't seen you do any scum hunting yet. And in mafia you need to provoke people to say something to go after. That's why it's good to ask questions. you can't expect everybody to be like "Hey, I'm gonna say something scummy so you can after me". This is mostly done in the early beginning of the game or the RVS stage as you call it or whatever (not really good with the terminology in mafia still lol). After that it is a game of who is better at gathering evidence and using them to your advantage and helping your faction goals.
Also saying you are a prime target for Night 1 kill is not something I belive a town in your situation would say. Furthermore I would like to ask you why are you seeming so aggressive if you are not scared? Is this a game plan, or just your personality?
Last let me point out that if Accountant is holding back just because he is an IC, well this is dumb. Isn't the ICs job to help us get better at the game, by explaining things and giving his best in the game? He can do both imo. We are playing a game of mafia and even tho this is a newbie game where most of us are new or at least relatively new, I belive everybody should be playing like they usually do. Nydushermain pointed out that in another Accountant game his playing style was simular but not as passive. This is what is bothering me.-
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I will have to say yes and no. While his post 83 did seem convinsing enough, post 69 definetely seems to come from a criminal mind. He still tryis to balance it with his neutral playing but this tendency to analyze everything in the way he does in still not giving me good vibes.In post 155, Mewtaph wrote:
Has Accountant's posts 69 and 83 eased your suspicions or "FoS" on Accountant in any way? Why/why not?In post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:I believe that what Accountant is doing is provoking people to show there true self. Questions in mafia are not asked for people to get answers but to see reactions. Ways they answer are hints to who they are. Tho this can also be used as a great protection. Xe almost talks like all his actions till this point are all made in the benefit of town. While other members are showing some motives and are even demonstating there playstyles, Accountant is being calm and collected, asking questions and then leaving them at that, without taking actions or persuing people who he belives are not town to further pressure them.
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I didn't agree with xim on anything tbh. I did give a simular opinion to xis tho. I belive you passivness and overall neutral behaviur comes from a well collected scum thinking. Is this enough to listen to nydushermain? No, since xim wanting me to jump on a waggon with him has something suspicious too.In post 218, Accountant wrote:Show me where Pepchoninga agreed with your posts about me being scum because I said "mafia" instead of "they".
I agree on this part. I will also add that what I see in the posts Accountant writes after the dig that nydushermain did on xis previous games shows a big change in playstyle. Xe seems much more agressive and this get me to the question - Why? You said that when you get a strong scumread you become more aggressive. Is this the case with nydushermain at the time where those posts were made since I'm yet to read furhter? Or have you gone to a more offensive style since you know that you have more people on your side and it's a good time to try and eliminate the only person that actively goes against you?In post 222, nydushermain wrote:
He didn't agree for that reason, but your passiveness.In post 218, Accountant wrote:Show me where Pepchoninga agreed with your posts about me being scum because I said "mafia" instead of "they".
For the record I'm not a lurker. You my friends need to see that this is a game where a mafia day is 2 weeks. Just because some of us don't post 50 times a day doesn't make us lurkers. At least not all of us. Also why would you like this to happen? If you are mafia playing with lurkers might be easier fo you to get the win for your faction during late game, wouldn't it?In post 224, Ramcius wrote:is it bussing Pepchonga? Cause me and Carloux too accused Accountant early in game, yet you ignored that fact and say on Pepchonga scumread Accountant, hence i never said i changed my mind on Accountant, i still don't trust, but i rather go in end game with Accountant than DBW, Pepchonga or other lurker-
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Honestly, just your first sentence seems scummy...In post 282, Ramcius wrote:If we continue this way, we end up with 9 townies in here, since seems everyone is town in this game So maybe start suggesting lynch targets, not just defending everyone, and i say that to all, cause deadline is coming, and i still don't like Nys, nothing make sense to me from town POV, he changes his position all the time, first he say we shouldn't lynch DBW (ignoring me and Charloux clearly stating we just want DBW talk, not lynch), going same even after i explain several times we not going lynch DBW, and he was lining lynches there, after he agreed and said both mafia are in 3 lurking people (weird statement from town), he's case on Accountant make no sense, something he found in other Accountant game, and we should now go and find that game, cause he didn't said what was different in that game from other 9 Accountant town games, and why here it's similar to that scum game, he inconsistent in all he do, yes, he said he changes his minds all time, but he was holding on DBW lynch idea so hard despite telling him no one is going lynch-
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Have you done any scumhunting? I might not be able to read tbh. Tho atm you are just disscusing Since I don't think I have actually questioned your scumhunting skills in my last post. I did ask a question that did not get answered. You go to the same stupid thing you asked me last time a asked you something.In post 304, Ramcius wrote:
better show me your scumhunting skills, since you told last time i haven't done any scumhunting, and that was a joke, and if you read tread, you may understand, or maybe not, probably you read already, but still have no idea what going on and where we are at this point...In post 301, Pepchoninga wrote:
Honestly, just your first sentence seems scummy...In post 282, Ramcius wrote:If we continue this way, we end up with 9 townies in here, since seems everyone is town in this game So maybe start suggesting lynch targets, not just defending everyone, and i say that to all, cause deadline is coming, and i still don't like Nys, nothing make sense to me from town POV, he changes his position all the time, first he say we shouldn't lynch DBW (ignoring me and Charloux clearly stating we just want DBW talk, not lynch), going same even after i explain several times we not going lynch DBW, and he was lining lynches there, after he agreed and said both mafia are in 3 lurking people (weird statement from town), he's case on Accountant make no sense, something he found in other Accountant game, and we should now go and find that game, cause he didn't said what was different in that game from other 9 Accountant town games, and why here it's similar to that scum game, he inconsistent in all he do, yes, he said he changes his minds all time, but he was holding on DBW lynch idea so hard despite telling him no one is going lynch-
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Yes, dear old (not) friend (Don't take this as anything personal other people, I just know this little cracker and I'm mad he joined my game lol) I do want people to scumhunt. It's the only way to catch scum. Each person SH little or less (town or mafia). Tho the diffrence is what they do with the gathered information. I belive that Accountant didn't really do anything with the information. By his words he just got it so he can learn with the help of this information the alliance of people. When you read more you will see I'm not saying that since asking questions is the easiest way it should not be done or is considered scummy to me. I'm talking about the way he used the information to the benefit of town or his so called scumhunting. That is why I'm continuesly going against him.In post 320, Alisae wrote:
What is your definition of scumhunting and how do you go about it?In post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:I believe that what Accountant is doing is provoking people to show there true self. Questions in mafia are not asked for people to get answers but to see reactions. Ways they answer are hints to who they are. Tho this can also be used as a great protection. Xe almost talks like all his actions till this point are all made in the benefit of town. While other members are showing some motives and are even demonstating there playstyles, Accountant is being calm and collected, asking questions and then leaving them at that, without taking actions or persuing people who he belives are not town to further pressure them.
To me this seems like you don't want people to scumhunt, because asking questions is the easiest method to doing so.-
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Because why would town play like that? You are already putting your name more then enough, since you have been the most active player till now and if you are town you are gonna be an obvious target. In your situation it would be more beneficial if you actually standed out and really started pushing every botton and going against every possible Scum. On the other side you could be mafia and deluding us of actualy doing anything by asking questions but in a sence not doing anything with the information you've gathered. And now after you see you have people that belive you, you started being a bit more offensive on Ny. Thats is what's concerning me. I don't see your clear Town persona that you are really trying to force on us.In post 324, Accountant wrote:
Why not a well-collected town thinking?In post 300, Pepchoninga wrote:I belive you passivness and overall neutral behaviur comes from a well collected scum thinking.-
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I haven't done much posts mostly due to health issues also due to me not really being able to really get into the disscussion. I am usually a pretty active players, reggardless of being Town or Mafia. I just like to get involved in the disscussion. Definetely not as much as you people apperantly want me to, but this is a difrent experience after all. Tho during almost all of my posts I have continuesly made statemesnts against Accountant. I would also like if somebody told me is there is anything specific I need to do to make the lynch like what you guys do, or is it automatic (sorry for the dumb question)In post 418, nydushermain wrote:
Link me where you "continuously go against him" because I don't see it.In post 417, Pepchoninga wrote:
Yes, dear old (not) friend (Don't take this as anything personal other people, I just know this little cracker and I'm mad he joined my game lol) I do want people to scumhunt. It's the only way to catch scum. Each person SH little or less (town or mafia). Tho the diffrence is what they do with the gathered information. I belive that Accountant didn't really do anything with the information. By his words he just got it so he can learn with the help of this information the alliance of people. When you read more you will see I'm not saying that since asking questions is the easiest way it should not be done or is considered scummy to me. I'm talking about the way he used the information to the benefit of town or his so called scumhunting. That is why I'm continuesly going against him.In post 320, Alisae wrote:
What is your definition of scumhunting and how do you go about it?In post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:I believe that what Accountant is doing is provoking people to show there true self. Questions in mafia are not asked for people to get answers but to see reactions. Ways they answer are hints to who they are. Tho this can also be used as a great protection. Xe almost talks like all his actions till this point are all made in the benefit of town. While other members are showing some motives and are even demonstating there playstyles, Accountant is being calm and collected, asking questions and then leaving them at that, without taking actions or persuing people who he belives are not town to further pressure them.
To me this seems like you don't want people to scumhunt, because asking questions is the easiest method to doing so.-
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Dude, I try to catch to the 7 pages that Alidick spammed, and when I try to sumbit on a previous post I see that you have spammed even more and if I see something about me I respond and then go back and read again so I don't keep the disscussion relatively dead. It would be better if you waited for me to catch up and then start disscusing what I've said.-
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To quote number 1: I have already stated why I haven't been as active and you out of all people know ALL the reasons. I know you are suposed to ignore them, but yeah go to hell since you joined the game <3 I will bring this up. In a game where I was the godfather (and won) I was equaly as active as in the previous game where I was a townie. My game plan changed and I was much more collected and all that. But I was just as active. So yeah, I belive your argument on this a bit invalid.In post 326, Alisae wrote:Gonna start multiquoting now. Forgot that was a feature.
Pep, I'm lookin at you. At this point in the game you've been very passive. And I don't recall this being you. To me you seem unusually passive this game.In post 101, Gamma Emerald wrote:I am in agreement with Ramcius here: mafia are usually very passive, I feel in Newbies especially. I've seen scum win by not putting themselves out there much. That's why I drive people to post sometimes by specifically hunting their activity.
That's quite a lot of words for one simple point. I definitely feel Ramcius is town currently for thinking similarly to me.
I feel as if scum!accountant would have to quote the Being a Good IC wiki thread "I expect a scum IC to teach correctly and also play to win - almost all the time that's just the smart play. The only difference being, really, that a scum IC will tend to teach things that are true and are sound, logical advice but also just happen, in this one specific case, to lower the town's chances of winning due to factors the town can't possibly know about; or else, the scum IC will give good pro-town advice, but then will use the trust he gets from the town from that good advice to lead the town on bad bandwagons until the town loses. Good scum play is generally very similar to good town play, as far as the uninformed observer can tell. - Yosarian2In post 122, Pepchoninga wrote:Last let me point out that if Accountant is holding back just because he is an IC, well this is dumb. Isn't the ICs job to help us get better at the game, by explaining things and giving his best in the game? He can do both imo. We are playing a game of mafia and even tho this is a newbie game where most of us are new or at least relatively new, I belive everybody should be playing like they usually do. Nydushermain pointed out that in another Accountant game his playing style was simular but not as passive. This is what is bothering me.
As scum, I think you should be as helpful as possible without compromising your own ability to win the game. Play like you would if you were scum in a regular game, but explain all the things that we assume players in regular games would know and understand. If you're scum, it's very important to sit down after the game and explain anything you omitted during the course of the game.... [Y]ou shouldn't purposefully give bad advice on how to play the game, because that turns people away when they find out you screwed them over like that just to win a newbie game when you're supposed to be helping them. - Mastermind of Sin"
At this point, why haven't you voted Pep for misinterpreting what you are saying to try to make you look bad?In post 123, Ramcius wrote:
You said i'm look scared, so i said i'm not, and gave reason why i'm not, it's just simple logic, i'm very vocal, and townread by people, so getting me lynched would be hard task for mafia, especially when game so stall, so yes, i'm prime target, and announcing it i play WIFOM on mafia kill tonight (in case we got doc).In post 122, Pepchoninga wrote:By alliance I mean either Town or Scum Accountant.
Well, you say if you are not gonna help me scum hunt then don't stay in my way. I haven't seen you do any scum hunting yet. And in mafia you need to provoke people to say something to go after. That's why it's good to ask questions. you can't expect everybody to be like "Hey, I'm gonna say something scummy so you can after me". This is mostly done in the early beginning of the game or the RVS stage as you call it or whatever (not really good with the terminology in mafia still lol). After that it is a game of who is better at gathering evidence and using them to your advantage and helping your faction goals.
Also saying you are a prime target for Night 1 kill is not something I belive a town in your situation would say. Furthermore I would like to ask you why are you seeming so aggressive if you are not scared? Is this a game plan, or just your personality?
Last let me point out that if Accountant is holding back just because he is an IC, well this is dumb. Isn't the ICs job to help us get better at the game, by explaining things and giving his best in the game? He can do both imo. We are playing a game of mafia and even tho this is a newbie game where most of us are new or at least relatively new, I belive everybody should be playing like they usually do. Nydushermain pointed out that in another Accountant game his playing style was simular but not as passive. This is what is bothering me.
Could you describe me scumhunting, so i would know what i supposed to do, since you say i haven't done it yet, i'll be grateful
Was it another newbie game, that Nyd mentioned? Cause i had impression it wasn't, and i'm not going compare IC actions in normal and newbie games
To quote number 2: Alis you are just telling me a scum meta. Tho in this game we all know nobody follows only one meta. You are saying all this almost as if you are trying to protect Accountant and say that his playing is definetely not mafia like. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seemed like you wanted to convince me on just that.
Yo quote number 3: I would need you to explain me this since I don't really get it? How have I misinterpreting what he is saying?-
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Your only real strong points are that I was innactive for a bit and that I'm not interested in scumhunting. Now let me tell ya, I am interested in scumhunting. Actually I'm trying to achieve that. Kinda hard when you can't really find a place in the disscussion till now. My prime targets till now were Accountatn and Ramicius. Two people you put as Town on your list. Yet you almost haven't touched on anything those 2 people have said till now. And there one of the most active people in the game till now. Most of the post I read from you are on my posts and going againt me. You have a personal agenta? Or you just want to get me out of the game as soon as possible since I'm gonna be the easiest target for you? Let me also point out that I hate when people just say that they are confirmed town in there opinion and put it like it's something normal. For me it's a veyr scummy move and one that should not be neglected. What makes you think you are a town?In post 334, Alisae wrote:My reads goes as follows.
Scum: Pep
Other potential scum: Nyd, DBW, Charloux
Town: Ramcius, Mewtaph, Accountant, myself.
Pep has been lurking up to this point. And you may think it's due to inactivity, but I doubt that. Like he's posting in gaps, and if he was town, he's someone I'd expect to be more active and vocal. He's moreso reserved and safe leading up to his posts today. Also he shows no interest in scumhunting.
Not having anyone voted at this point in time tells me you have no real scum reads. This also goes for DBW, who's also lurking, except I don't know them. Either way I see them as a potential partner.
I can see Charloux being paired up with Pep easily. Charloux goes after lurkers but ignores Pep. This seems off to me.
As for Nyd, I'm following Accountant's reasoning and logic moreso then Nyd's on Accountant. Or they could just both be town, which I see happening.-
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I will admit that refusing to answer is pretty suspicious.In post 370, Accountant wrote:Why are you so afraid of giving me a yes or no answer?-
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I'm sorry but I will say I'm not completely new to mafiaIn post 373, Accountant wrote:
Because he hasn't said anything indicative of alignment rather than newness to mafia.In post 372, Alisae wrote:
Why the null read on Pep?In post 371, Accountant wrote:
Ramcius and Mewtaph strong town, Alisae townlean, DBW, Pep and Gamma null, Charloux scumlean.In post 368, Alisae wrote:Accountant, what are your reads? I think I asked you this already, but you kept on giving your attention to Nyd.-
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No I mean he knew that people belived he was town, so he got more confident in going against you. It just seemed strange. From that point onward he has seemed more aggressive and does want to lynch you. I also cannot not see that Alis has almost not talked about Accountant and does seems to agree with everything he does and even tho he seems to have me for his prime target for absoulutely laughable reasons he goes against the target of Accountant. He does also start being cocky and being a bitch which for me has no place in a mafia game.In post 422, nydushermain wrote:
That's factually incorrect. The three people mainly going against me were accountant, ramcius, and then alisae. Accountant voted on me first AND accused me first. So you can't say that accountant is scum for going on the offensive "after people started believing him" because he went on the offensive before that. I agree though that I think accountant is doing NOTHING with the information that he is gathering, or to be clearer, is refusing to take in the information.In post 420, Pepchoninga wrote:
Because why would town play like that? You are already putting your name more then enough, since you have been the most active player till now and if you are town you are gonna be an obvious target. In your situation it would be more beneficial if you actually standed out and really started pushing every botton and going against every possible Scum. On the other side you could be mafia and deluding us of actualy doing anything by asking questions but in a sence not doing anything with the information you've gathered. And now after you see you have people that belive you, you started being a bit more offensive on Ny. Thats is what's concerning me. I don't see your clear Town persona that you are really trying to force on us.In post 324, Accountant wrote:
Why not a well-collected town thinking?In post 300, Pepchoninga wrote:I belive you passivness and overall neutral behaviur comes from a well collected scum thinking.-
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Thank you for that, it will definetely come in handy ^6In post 429, Alisae wrote:
Why are you assuming that he knew I called him out right away?In post 425, nydushermain wrote:
If he's looking back through the thread, and trying to catch up, I think it's interesting that he responded almost instantly to you calling him out. I think he might just be sitting back and waiting to see how the situation transpires. If he's really looking back and trying to catch up, and taking notes, etc., he shouldn't be constantly refreshing the current thread. He's lurking with a purpose.In post 424, Alisae wrote:
I'm sorry, can you rephrase the question. Like, rephrase the question as if you were speaking to a toddler. This seems really confusing to me.In post 423, nydushermain wrote:
Odd because if he's catching up and responding to earlier posts, why is he reading the current thread? Doesn't really look like he's diving back in time.In post 421, Alisae wrote:
He's catching up and responding to earlier posts. I don't think he actually got to the part where I announced I catched up.In post 419, nydushermain wrote:Also what? You've been reading this WHOLE time?
Also thats how I catch up. I posted my thoughts as I saw them.
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You have read me wrong the whole time. What I accused you and why I SR you was because you acted like you are above everything and you are either gonna get help and support from everybody because you are obviously town or you are gonna be the worst enemy everybody had. And in the same time I didn't saw you do anything to actually deduce you prime targets. What you did imo was just attack everybody that questioned you. This was brought up other people if im not mistaken too.In post 431, Ramcius wrote:VOTE: Nys
You say you would lynch DBW, but you not voting him yet, you said you would hammer, if there was 4th vote, but ignore Alisa saying same few posts ago, so who stopped you do 4th and Alisa hammer? You talk much, but i can't see any actual town motivation in your actions, and i'm not conf bias on you, i pointed things i didn't liked in you, yet instead of explaining, you tried dodge with "town can do it too, not just scum", now OMGUS on Alisa not makes you look good at all
Pep, i'm still waiting you start doing your glorious scumhunt, we hear so much, yet we have to see, and if you forgot, it was you, who attacked me, not other way, so don't pretend offended now
Another thing for me to have my suspicions on you is that after I accused ou of what I did you just accused me of the same question and acted cocky without trying to change my mind or show me or anything. I just dislike this style of play and would just like a more nice and clear person to communicate regardless of your faction.-
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I do agree that there are stuff that you can go on from nyd, but what you are doing atm is you are just double teaming on him and he is obviously gonna fall under pressure. Tho his reaction doesn't seem scummy in the slightest to me. He was clearly frustrated and this a town action definetely. I would like to hear some of the other players opinion on this too tho.In post 458, Alisae wrote:
Again, apologies.In post 456, nydushermain wrote:Agreed with the last sentence. I refrained from calling him a bitch but the cat's out of the bag now.
But either way, the fact that I am buddying Accountant is a legimate theory. I mean, if he flipped scum, then I'm surely fucked.
But right now I'm being cocky because I genunely think I found scum. Nyd just seems to be flailing at this point.-
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You haven't given him a clear answer. If you think he is leaning to scum, you answer should still be scum. If you say town, then you are basically either super dumb or confirmed mafia. So this question was important and is really why they are going against you. And tbh, even tho I have my points to still think you are a pretty sure town, in the end you not answering this question could be desisive for my lynch as well.In post 450, nydushermain wrote:
Did I not answer? Do you really believe that I didn't give an answer to the question he asked??In post 446, Pepchoninga wrote:
I will admit that refusing to answer is pretty suspicious.In post 370, Accountant wrote:Why are you so afraid of giving me a yes or no answer?-
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Who should I vote in this situation? You? Accountant? Ramicus or Ny? Should I jump on the waggon or try and go against my targets. Will I get the support needed and will people agree with my suspicions? You know those are all questions I need to answer myself and get other people to answer some of them before I put my real lynch. But for now I will go with a lynch that my heart tell me.In post 451, Alisae wrote:
You not voting should also be considered a valid point.In post 444, Pepchoninga wrote:
Your only real strong points are that I was innactive for a bit and that I'm not interested in scumhunting. Now let me tell ya, I am interested in scumhunting. Actually I'm trying to achieve that. Kinda hard when you can't really find a place in the disscussion till now. My prime targets till now were Accountatn and Ramicius. Two people you put as Town on your list. Yet you almost haven't touched on anything those 2 people have said till now. And there one of the most active people in the game till now. Most of the post I read from you are on my posts and going againt me. You have a personal agenta? Or you just want to get me out of the game as soon as possible since I'm gonna be the easiest target for you? Let me also point out that I hate when people just say that they are confirmed town in there opinion and put it like it's something normal. For me it's a veyr scummy move and one that should not be neglected. What makes you think you are a town?In post 334, Alisae wrote:My reads goes as follows.
Scum: Pep
Other potential scum: Nyd, DBW, Charloux
Town: Ramcius, Mewtaph, Accountant, myself.
Pep has been lurking up to this point. And you may think it's due to inactivity, but I doubt that. Like he's posting in gaps, and if he was town, he's someone I'd expect to be more active and vocal. He's moreso reserved and safe leading up to his posts today. Also he shows no interest in scumhunting.
Not having anyone voted at this point in time tells me you have no real scum reads. This also goes for DBW, who's also lurking, except I don't know them. Either way I see them as a potential partner.
I can see Charloux being paired up with Pep easily. Charloux goes after lurkers but ignores Pep. This seems off to me.
As for Nyd, I'm following Accountant's reasoning and logic moreso then Nyd's on Accountant. Or they could just both be town, which I see happening.
You have shown nothing to prove that you are scumhunting, and currently you're just defending yourself.
What about Ramicius seemed scummy to you?
I think your scum, and I want the town to win? That's sorta what I'm trying to do here.
And you're reading my reads wrong. You wanna know a tell I recently just learned? Scum trying to push things that aren't slips. Because scum LOVE having a justified vote. Saying that I am slipping for reading them as confirmed town is a mistake, becuase I am not reading them as confirmed town, I am reading them as I think they are town.
And what makes me think I'm town? My role pm.
VOTE: Alisae
And yes I am curently scumhinting also I'm defneding myself since you are only going against me. You haven't defended against my accusations tho. Don't think it's very townish to avoid my suspicions.
I did make a post basically saying why I Scum read Ramicius.
I didn't really understand what you meant with the next one buddy but ok.
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I belive my too many post may have been too many. I did say in one of them that I belive after you were sure that people belived you are town you started going agianst the person who was most actively pushing on you. And that was Ny. There was a clear change in the way you play after he brang you old games and started giving some decent-ish arguments from there but off course you can't really judge from past games since this is to some extent unproffesional. No you are clearly looking more confident and aggressive towards him. Why the change in playing in that current time.In post 465, Accountant wrote:
What about my push on ny?In post 417, Pepchoninga wrote:I belive that Accountant didn't really do anything with the information.-
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It is, but as said I'm not really talking about the fact your scumread on him became stronger. It's about the timing. You could've started it a bit later or even a bit earlier if you asked me. Now you got it after Ramicius said that he thinks what Ny did was dumb. It just seemed to me that you were waiting to be sure you had protection from other players. You also seemed much more confident when allisae started backing you up too. Also the way you double teamed on Ny seemeds like a scum duo made in heaven.-
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Honestly I find this post as a plus for ny not because he is protecting me, but mostly because you can see his pure frustration which is made out of a pure town mindset.In post 479, nydushermain wrote:
What are you talking about? Why wouldn't you defend yourself? What if he's town? This is anti-town if you are town FYI. You're so blinded that you replace into a game, skim through a few posts and call someone scum and instead of trying to refute a point that someone makes against you, you just call them scummy and say nothing? You're ACTUALLY avoiding the question with zero answer, not a half answer like mine apparently.In post 478, Alisae wrote:Pep, I'm just gonna interpret that as an OMGUS vote. Also the fact that I'm not defending myself from your accusations makes me think you're even more scummy then you already are. Who says I have to defend myself if I think scum is attacking me?
And instead of voting me, you could be civil and coperative and give me the reasons instead of making me ISO you for it.
And generally most people include themselves as town. That's just natural and good play.-
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No I'm not overeacting. But we are making such a big deal since nys didn't answer a question which I admit has truth to it, but you think that it is more then well to not try and counter my accusation? Why is that?
My vote is is not OMGUS. I have my suspicions on me. Gonna explain them again since clearly you weren't paying enough attention.
First you came in and started going trough posts. Most of the were either pointless in my opinion or post directly against me. During several pages you were just trying to collect enough arguments to get a solid reason to lynch me. Didn't you say that is exactly what mafia liked. But yet, you couldn't really get solid reasons since I hadn't given enough material to work on till then. All you could do was line up that since I wasn't active enough and I usually am, I'm definetely scum. Also me apperantly not scumhunting is also making me scum. Okay tell me what if I don't necessarily scumhunt. Then I'm 100% scum? What If I'm gathering information about the people who are more active and then like what I did come in and start a push against them? Yes, this is not exactly what happened with me, since reasons I have explained but still it is a possibility. Also for me a good scum will definetely be scumhunting since it is good for his discuise. His goal will obviously be to get a misslynch on Town but this doesn't change the fact he is scum. So having me not scumhunting as one of your leading arguments for a lynch is also dumb. Your next argument is that I haven't lynched anybody yet? Even if I didn't lynch you it's again pretty dumb argument.
On the other side you didn't say anything on Accountant. You just instantly became his best partner and was even ready to give up on your personal target (me) to go after his which was already pretty pressured by Accountant (Ny). Even if Accountant is town this is pretty scummy since I'm more and more leaning on having ny as a sure town. Also you going all cocky on the guy after seing that he clearly got frustarted is just a really dissrespectfull and definetely not a town action.
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No Alis, a mafia wouldn't act like that. Even if they are a complete noob and you can see that Ny is not that. He is acting frustrated because he got double teamed and now you are basically going at him for every word he says. Sliping for me is just a normal thing after so much pressure. I can somewhat understand the pressure given by Accountant but your just give more food to my case on you.
I'm actully trying to find both things Ny did wrong and does right. Some things he does wrong are in his favor, some are not. Same with the things he does right. I question him on the things I think are off and I keep in mind the thing I think are in his benefit. In the end I stack them and see which will prevail. Till now I just see the things that are off beating his clear innocence at this time.-
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I do understand you Charloux. Even tho I would love to lynch Alisae since I do see a lot of his action made out of pure cockiness I do see why you wouldn't do it.
I am asking for you to give opinions on the matter. If a lynch is done it should probably be on DBW since one less person is innactive is better.
But still, we are 21 pages in and you don't have any strong scumreads...this is strange. I would advise you to go ahead the posts once again if posible since you will get accused by people soon, just like Alis tryid to do with me.-
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Honestly I'm not really a master of english as you might of seen by my grammar here and there so my use of past tense was probably not intentional since I just write what flows in my head withouth thinking what thought the time I'm writing in could trigger in people's minds. If you ask a specific thing I will try and answer tho.In post 512, Gamma Emerald wrote:Spoiler:
What's up with the past tense?In post 493, Pepchoninga wrote:No I'm not overeacting. But we are making such a big deal since nys didn't answer a question which I admit has truth to it, but you think that it is more then well to not try and counter my accusation? Why is that?
My vote is is not OMGUS. I have my suspicions on me. Gonna explain them again since clearly you weren't paying enough attention.
First you came in and started going trough posts. Most of the were either pointless in my opinion or post directly against me. During several pages you were just trying to collect enough arguments to get a solid reason to lynch me. Didn't you say that is exactly what mafia liked. But yet, you couldn't really get solid reasons since I hadn't given enough material to work on till then. All you could do was line up that since I wasn't active enough and I usually am, I'm definetely scum. Also me apperantly not scumhunting is also making me scum. Okay tell me what if I don't necessarily scumhunt. Then I'm 100% scum? What If I'm gathering information about the people who are more active and then like what I did come in and start a push against them? Yes, this is not exactly what happened with me, since reasons I have explained but still it is a possibility. Also for me a good scum will definetely be scumhunting since it is good for his discuise. His goal will obviously be to get a misslynch on Town but this doesn't change the fact he is scum. So having me not scumhunting as one of your leading arguments for a lynch is also dumb. Your next argument is that I haven't lynched anybody yet? Even if I didn't lynch you it's again pretty dumb argument.
On the other side you didn't say anything on Accountant. You just instantly became his best partner and was even ready to give up on your personal target (me) to go after his which was already pretty pressured by Accountant (Ny). Even if Accountant is town this is pretty scummy since I'm more and more leaning on having ny as a sure town. Also you going all cocky on the guy after seing that he clearly got frustarted is just a really dissrespectfull and definetely not a town action.
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You just make less and less sence dude...In post 524, Alisae wrote:
BTW Gamma, starting to think you're moreso town.In post 522, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Please point out pep/ny associations.In post 521, Alisae wrote:If Accountant is scum, I would have no idea who his scum buddy would be.
If Nyd is scum, his partner would be pep.
Pep is mostly defending nyd by attacking me.
Honestly I'm attacking you because you have given too much food. First you give shit evidence, then you hop on the wagon of the most active person and hope to fit with the town...
Honestly I belive that either you and Accountant are mafia, or on of you is. If you end up as town, Accountant is basically confirming being mafia tbh (off course this all depends on what he gives as an explanation on his sudden lynch on Alis).
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Not avoiding any question, bote ^^ I said I belive either you 2 are both the mafia (which was my initial thought), a thing that seeing Accountants action on deciding to lynch you seems highly unlikely, or one of you is - keep in mind this is only my thoughts.
So yeah, till Accountant gives his thoughts I ain't answering any more "stupid" questions (excuse the word but I found it most appropriate). Continueing to do so is a scum claim. A desperate one at that.-
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How can one have false dichotmies tho? I am just giving my thoughts and who I think is who and with that tey to logically deduse what will happen if a certain person did a certain thing. Expalin how do you see this as something worth a lynch.In post 537, Gamma Emerald wrote:Your posting kinda feels like you are promoting false dichotomies.-
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It's funny how you vote me now that a wagon has been started. You don't vote me first so if wagon is not finished you are not an instant target and you also don't really go against the poeple acusing you for the same reason. You are trying to get yourself an immunity while only taking actions under the wings of somebody else so you can Be accused of anything. This is really the mindset of a scum.In post 538, Alisae wrote:Also sometimes I recall having seen IoA in some of Pep's posts.
I don't care which one of my two targets gets lynched, as long as they do, because I believe they are both scum.
VOTE: Pepchoninga
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I say that since till now I have both scumread them. They are my 2 prime scum targets so if one goes against the other I would logically (on a first thought without further discussion or evidence to make me change my opinion) think that one of them is town and one is mafia. After I see why Accountant think Alis deserves his lynch I will try and solve in my head who is tiwn and who is mafia. Or if I'm somehow convinced otherwise off course.-
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Why isn't it true? You just came in and lynched me, while alis has been dealing with my offense for a long time and hasn't responded in any ways. His best leads on me are that I wasn't active and that I didn't vote for anybody for a time. I have gathered much more evidence in my opinion. And you don't seem to cosider this now or the first time I asked you.In post 546, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That's not true and you know it. She's just joining her support.In post 544, Pepchoninga wrote:
It's funny how you vote me now that a wagon has been started. You don't vote me first so if wagon is not finished you are not an instant target and you also don't really go against the poeple acusing you for the same reason. You are trying to get yourself an immunity while only taking actions under the wings of somebody else so you can Be accused of anything. This is really the mindset of a scum.In post 538, Alisae wrote:Also sometimes I recall having seen IoA in some of Pep's posts.
I don't care which one of my two targets gets lynched, as long as they do, because I believe they are both scum.
VOTE: Pepchoninga
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Again most of those are just dumb really? Firstly I could've just putten random lynches like everybody else and it would still be practically the same because a lynch on DBW is basically that.
My posts prior to your attack are very little for you to judge on them and once again I will say I have more then good reason to not be as active also I didn't know at the time you could take brakes. I become more active before you joining the game.
I didn't overeat, I was just annoyed how you made a big fuss that Ny didn't respond to one of Accountants questions while you didn't answer to like 10 of mine. Your argument was that you though I was mafia. Well Ny thought the same thing about Accountant.
My verbal is completely off of the game, you jouning my game was something completely moral related especially after you were the one that kept pushing me to come and post more and all that. Youju St wanted to come here and enjoy lynching the hell out of me and this has been very clear to me since your first posts. From the beginning you have been laying the hammer on me. If anything you made this game obviously disscusting and its not because you go after me, but because you just joined without asking how would I feel.-
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I am going to sleep now, so yeah.
About not posting you can say all you want I can't make you belive me I am still ill and all that, what I can make you belive is I hadn't read almost anything till the time I really started to play more, till then I read the things and just wrote the first things that popped to mind which was against Aacountant and Ramicius.
Tell me if I ask you the same question that really now wouldn't matter, would you answer them? Now that you are sure you are out of danger and you have genuine support you won't be lynched? Because yes, it does seem like that. You are not open to anything you haven't made a single action without waiting for somebody to start the wagon you almost never say anything new or try and contribute in finding new things for town. No, you just follow in people's footsteps and do what they do and try to monitore them inti a misslynch. Exactly a mafia meta. Here is a question - explain to me why you think this is bullshit?
Yeah well maybe I would've reacted differently if I knew your alliance. If I was town it is more then normal for me to act like that. Frustrated since you are ruining my game in a sence you don't seem to appreciate at all. If I was mafia I wouldn't be so bothered since you are town and I probably wouldn't risk going in an argument with you seing that you were trying to go on me from the start. If we were partners we wouldn't be having this conversation, or at least not in this way.-
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Well, about DBW I don't have a solid case. Like everybody I cannot not be suspicious of him for the soul part of his activity. While my innactivity was a fact too, I did try to make it up for the lost time. I was also almost removed due to inactivity. DBW seems to put little post from here and there and really he isn't touching on much. Everytime he posts he doesn't seem to watch to answer the questions asked to him by others and all he does is put a random lynch say a few words and go out. I still do belive he can't be my main lynch target without him giving us some clear answer.In post 609, Alisae wrote:And I just noticed that DBW only has 8 posts...This bothers me...A lot. I still want to stick with my day 1 lynch on Pep, but I'ma go re-evaluate him. Maybe Nyd is actually town. I need to re-evaluate these two.
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Nyd is a null leaning to town for me. The way he gathered infirmation about Accountant at earlier stages of the game, just before accountant started being more aggressive are very townie minded. Some of his post were inconsistent and also very 2 minded, but also his frustration when you and Accountant started double teaming him, were words of town like frustration. Some of him not saying everything he thinks is not really town like but then again he does have a lot of points I have as well, so this makes me think henis more likely to be town.-
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Alis you are looking for a thing to lach on atm, I don't see why. You have definetely succeded in taking the disscusion away from you.
I will say Ny, that I'm not really defending you. What I do is analyze you get a possibility of what you allingment is and then use the attack of Accountant and Alise to determine who imo is more likely to be a scum since I still belive one of them is and that is for me is Alis.
You know bote it's funny how you talk abou buddying when you are basically the one who does this from when you joined the game. First you buddy the IC who had a strong offence on another active player in Ny, then you saw me who was going against you and exactly when Gamma lynched me you started buddying him. What it seems you are doing is trying to get to the better people in the game and eliminate the "newer" players from behind there backs.-
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Ramicius problem is Alis and as it seems Gamma too don't actually have any good leads on me. Alis just want to push for a mysslinch. Gamma is either just hopping on it to see what happens or is scum himself.
Also let me remind you I haven't defended Nyd and if I did it definitely wasn't a buddy request. If I defneded him it was to get a stronger case on you and/or Accountat. You are just trying to pull something out of fingers.
Also you talk about Gamma like you are the best buddies and fight crime together. Are YOU buddying him, or are you both crime buddies. Since it didn't seem like he wanted to latch to somebody the way you have seen from the start of the game.-
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How am I trying to get on Nyd good side? I have stated more then wnou time that while he is more of a town to me I don't support everything that he says nor do I like all of his actions and I have question him for those actions. Don't see how I'm buddying him like that.
You on the other side try and create banter with other people, talk for the both of you in first person (we) and don't question anything they have said or done or that they say or do. I'm focusing on you, since I don't see Gamma doing it given my null to town read on him.-
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