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Checking in. I'll join Loopdan on voting Selynee since he's been here a while.
Vote: Selynee(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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VOTE: Frederick[/unvote].
Post 25 seems forced.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Sure. Piggybacked on your vote since (I think) you were the oldest member who had checked in.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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You quoted a vote-change out of context and asked why he changed his mind, when the literal next post in the game was an explanation for the vote.
Also, VOTE: Frederick. Hopefully that worked; I don't think vote tags were a thing when I left.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Was looking for a shitty reason to vote for someone that on the surface looked (particularly in a Newb) like it might be serious.
Why are you so curious about a RVS vote?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Given my join date, did you expect I was making aseriousvote based on sheeping your experience?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I mean that she explained why she moved her vote, and yet you snipped that part out of your quote and asked her why she changed her vote. Pretty simple.In post 48, Fredrick E Campbell wrote:
I've got no idea what you mean by I quoted her out of context. It is true she explained her second vote. However, that doesn't explain why the vote was changed, which was the question I asked.In post 39, SensFan wrote:You quoted a vote-change out of context and asked why he changed his mind, when the literal next post in the game was an explanation for the vote.
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(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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There's clearly no reason for the first vote (aka random). Then on a read of the game, there's a valid reason to vote and so it moves. Seems pretty straightforward.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Hold up. Why the change of heart so quickly, Echo?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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That whole Echo thing *reeks* of sloppily bussing his partner, thinking better of it and then trying wildly to deflect attention from the wagon.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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No. Full stop.In post 117, TheBrie wrote:If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.
You need to use your own reads. I don't want you to tell me what Huntress thinks; I want you to tell me what you think.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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On a scale of 0-10, how likely is it that someone with a join date of 2007 believed there existed such a thing as a "1-shot game-end"?In post 125, EchoVision wrote:Okay, Im posting from mobile but I've got some stuff figured out. I've got two scum reads right now and it's on Huntress and SensFan. I have more suspicion on SensFan, so I'll start with him first. Towards the beginning of the game, SensFan decided to put a vote on Fred (who I have a town read for) due to a "Forced Post". The post was just a simple question on why somebody changed their vote. Nothing very forced about that IMO. That right there put a finger of suspicion on him for me. But it's his later posts that got me a complete maf read. Sens decided to hop on a wagon for Brie putting her at L-2(I believe) with absolutely no explanation. Yeah shit like that happens, but this struck me as very odd. The most suspicious thing for me was right after Loopdan used his fake guess shit. Sens said, "Wow. Guess that's that. Nice job loopdan." He didn't even bother reading the wiki or anything about it. He seemed so eager to end the game but didn't say anything at all about the whole thing and how ridiculous it seemed. He was just way way WAY too eager to put the game to an end. I'm on my way home now, so I'll post the rest of my findings later. For now,
VOTE: SensFan(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Okay. So we agree that I for sure did not know that it didn't exist, and yet you think it's fishy I didn't check the wiki to see if it existed?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I don't follow where asking why someone (seemingly) purposefully ignored the reason for a vote is at odds with me voting for someone without immediately explaining everything.In post 138, Selynee wrote:Echo, even if Sens didn't know there is no such thing as "1-shot game-end", if he is mafia he would know that Loopdan was wrong about the scumteam, so the game wouldn't end.
But I agree that his vote on Brie is strange considering he accused Fred before this of quoting Rask out of context and ignoring the explanation for her vote.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I moved my vote because I thought it was better-placed on Brie at the time, both because of her posts immediately before my vote and the fact I thought getting a wagon going on a new and skiddish player seemed like it would be helpful.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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We want to hear your thoughts on people. Not Huntress' thoughts.In post 142, TheBrie wrote:
I missed that. The reason I was willing to vote Echo on more evidence was that I had some suspicions. His sudden vote on my seemed a little odd. Immediately pulling it off again when I commented, is suspicious unless he really hadn't realized that out me at L-1 and didn't want me there. Which is possible, but he didn't really explain.In post 128, Huntress wrote:
I explained it in 104, and nothing I've seen since has changed that feeling. But if you haven't seen that then you've no reason to sheep me; so why are you prepared to do so?In post 117, TheBrie wrote:If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.
Loopdan on the other hand is crazily confusing. I don't know what lying to a newbie about the game mechanics is supposed to achieve.
What he's since said about Sensfan sounds alright, though Sensfan's post 141 made a lot of sense too. So I don't have enough to change to either of them. Huntress, what do you think of Sensfan and Loopdan. I'm sure they're not a team, but everything else about them is uncertain.
Take a stance. Who is most likely to be Scum based on everything so far?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I'm sure you can do better than that if you try to think about why I might have responded in the way I did.In post 144, EchoVision wrote:
Okay, I understand where I went wrong with the wiki part. However, you obviously knew that it wasn't real as you had stated in your post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8684744. So if you knew it wasn't real, what was the point in your post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8681541? Something doesn't add up and I'm not sure which post you're lying about.In post 135, SensFan wrote:Okay. So we agree that I for sure did not know that it didn't exist, and yet you think it's fishy I didn't check the wiki to see if it existed?
But of course you're not trying to deduce anything; you've made up your mind and aren't even trying to disguise it.In post 144, EchoVision wrote:But frankly, it doesn't matter. Scum read = vote.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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100%. Literally anything that makes someone 1% more likely than random to be Scum is better than a random vote.
(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Agreed. Especially with the timing of it.
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(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Unvote.Will probably move over to Echo shortly.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Wait what? If my explanation of my vote change makes sense, why are you suspicious of me because of my vote change?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I haven't sheeped anyone beyond my intial RVS vote. I think my feelings on most people are pretty clear.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Seconding the call for a claim.
EchoVision, I will hammer you if your next post does not have a claim in it.[/b](11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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In both cases someone else happened to check in first. I actually gave reasoning for the Fred vote before you did. Is anyone but the first person to log on after something bad is posted just sheeping?In post 198, lucca261 wrote:
both your votes at Frederick and Brie happened one post after another vote on him.In post 183, SensFan wrote:I haven't sheeped anyone beyond my intial RVS vote. I think my feelings on most people are pretty clear.
I'm not eager to hammer at all. I just want to set a clear expectation of a claim, and so there is the very sincere threat of a hammer to dissuade him from doing something stupid (like not claiming).In post 203, TheBrie wrote:@Sensfan, why are you so eager to hammer?
I'm more comfortable with waiting a few days as Loopy planned.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Thanks for that.In post 211, lucca261 wrote:that doesn't count as a hammer. give rasko the time he requested.
Vote: Echo(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Eh. You forced my hand. Worked okay, considering.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I'm also interested in that.
There were two options: that I intentionally screwed up the vote formatting, or that it was an honest mistake and I intended to hammer. In either case, pointing it out leads to me immediately hammering.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Not until you forced my hand.In post 227, lucca261 wrote:In post 223, Loopdan wrote:@lucca-- If you wanted more time, why did you point out the hammer didn't count?
He was going to realize that he didn't hammer soon enough. I wanted to see that, if Rasko did his catchup, if he would unvote. There was a lot of time until the deadline. He could've waited to do the hammer until Rasko had posted.In post 224, SensFan wrote:I'm also interested in that.
There were two options: that I intentionally screwed up the vote formatting, or that it was an honest mistake and I intended to hammer. In either case, pointing it out leads to me immediately hammering.
Sens, did you intend to hammer? Answer me, or you're going to wait Loopdan to answer and then sheep him?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Your insistence on the story that all I do is sheep people is cute, though.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Gave him a chance to claim. He declined to do so.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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a) I've seen a lot go wrong from letting people draw out a claimIn post 234, Raskolnikov wrote:I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.
b) I'm not convinced there's any claim that would have changed my mind on lynching him anyways(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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It's just as much on lucca as it is on me. There's no reasonable expectation of making a "that hammer doesn't count" post other than the hammer being made correctly.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I also posted 24 earlier my intention to hammer if Echo didn't claim. Anyone could have unvoted to prevent a hammer.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Stop trying to think if Scum would or wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves, since you'll just talk yourself in circles.In post 242, TheBrie wrote:
I agree. Lucca said clearly to wait. Though perhaps if he really wanted to make sure he should have unvoted.In post 237, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not sure I like how you ask lucca about it as if it was partially his fault though
"hold on and wait" really doesn't seem malicious and arguing it was intended to get the hammer down doesn't sound fair.
I'm more than half inclined to vote Sensfan now for not waiting, but I'm not sure Scum would draw attention to them-self like that. Though in that case drawing attention to yourself might trick us into thinking you're not scum. So I dunno. It's hard when you can come up with a way anyone could be scum or town.
Ask yourself if the actions of X are more likely to be made by X being Town or Scum.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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a) Well, for one, apparently you won't lynch a Scum on D1 if you let them claim? (based on your b)In post 246, Loopdan wrote:
a) Like what? What have you seen go so wrong from letting people draw out a claim that this overrides the town benefit of getting a claim?In post 235, SensFan wrote:
a) I've seen a lot go wrong from letting people draw out a claimIn post 234, Raskolnikov wrote:I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.
b) I'm not convinced there's any claim that would have changed my mind on lynching him anyways
b) If he'd claimed a PR and there was no counterclaim you would still lynch? With that much time left in Day 1?
I don't see the town motive in what you did. I can see the scum motive.
b) Uh, yes? 100% yes. This isn't an open set-up. Every Scum in here will claim a PR, and you won't lynch them if you back off on that. It's also probably not worth outing a Town PR to counterclaim a Scum that got run up this early.
I've seen countless people chicken the heck out of lynching someone based on a Cop claim or something similar.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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People change their mind, go inactive, get bored. Scum have time to come up with a fakeclaim. I've seen countless times where people are wagoned to L-1 with intent to lynch pending a claim, they refuse to claim, and people chicken out and don't force the issue.
Four people were content voting him. I gave 24h notice that I would hammer if there was no claim, and no one unvoted. I hammered. Don't try and put that all on me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.
TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.
Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.
I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Asked by lucca and answered: intentionally messed up.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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If I flipped Scum, would that make lucca look more or less likely to be Scum?In post 304, Sickofit1138 wrote:
individual scumreads im not doing accosiatives quite yet.In post 302, SensFan wrote:Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?
If lucca flipped Scum, would that make me look more or less likely to be Scum?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I'm not asking you to associate two people who are alive and you don't know their roles.In post 314, Sickofit1138 wrote:In post 312, SensFan wrote:
If I flipped Scum, would that make lucca look more or less likely to be Scum?In post 304, Sickofit1138 wrote:
individual scumreadsIn post 302, SensFan wrote:Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?im not doing accosiatives quite yet.
If lucca flipped Scum, would that make me look more or less likely to be Scum?
Assume I get modkilled right now and flip Scum. You know 100% I was Scum this game. What would your thoughts on lucca be?
Likewise for if lucca got modkilled and flipped Scum. What would your thoughts on me be?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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For one, the hypothetical Bulletproof would be closer to an Innocent Child than a VT.In post 313, Sickofit1138 wrote:Why shouldn't bulletproof claim in this set up if they were hit? They are just a VT now.
For two, it gives Scum more information about the setup than it does us.
For three, they could be lying.
And for four, based on a cursory wording of the PMs they don't know if they were hit.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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hurr durr Loopdan stop sheeping Sens.
Am I doing that right?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Posts like this are what make me throw out all the stuff you've said that looked reasonable.In post 333, Sickofit1138 wrote:
Btw this is scum distancing from their partner when I called them out.In post 324, lucca261 wrote:
Don't like this post. You have zero substance reads, save for Loopdan.In post 283, SensFan wrote:lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.
TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.
Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.
I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.
So you have four null reads, Loopdan as town, me as scum without explaining it and Huntress as scum because she put the hammer exclusively on you? You explain the total of two reads. All the other ones are unexplained.
This "readslist" feels like you are trying too hard to make your options open. If you need to ever vote one of your four null votes, by this, you can just say "Hey, I re-read then and they're scum".(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Because it's an atrocious post in which I can't find a single possible Town motive for you.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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In post 304, Sickofit1138 wrote:
individual scumreads im not doing accosiatives quite yet.In post 302, SensFan wrote:Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?In post 314, Sickofit1138 wrote:In post 312, SensFan wrote:
If I flipped Scum, would that make lucca look more or less likely to be Scum?In post 304, Sickofit1138 wrote:
individual scumreadsIn post 302, SensFan wrote:Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?im not doing accosiatives quite yet.
If lucca flipped Scum, would that make me look more or less likely to be Scum?In post 321, Sickofit1138 wrote:In post 316, SensFan wrote:
I'm not asking you to associate two people who are alive and you don't know their roles.In post 314, Sickofit1138 wrote:In post 312, SensFan wrote:
If I flipped Scum, would that make lucca look more or less likely to be Scum?In post 304, Sickofit1138 wrote:
individual scumreadsIn post 302, SensFan wrote:Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?im not doing accosiatives quite yet.
If lucca flipped Scum, would that make me look more or less likely to be Scum?
Assume I get modkilled right now and flip Scum. You know 100% I was Scum this game. What would your thoughts on lucca be?
Likewise for if lucca got modkilled and flipped. Scum. What would your thoughts on me be?
I don't see anything that makes you likely buddies or unlikely buddies.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Leaning Scum, but still unsure if it's a bias from knowing he's been on my ass and wrong for the better part of two days.In post 341, Sickofit1138 wrote:Lucca and sens are the scumteam. Thank me later.
Let's toy with this. Sens what's your full read on lucca?
Which brings me to my next point. He's been on my ass for the better part of two days. This isn't a 'reaction' to you calling us your most likely scumpair.
p-edit: I know. Just wanted to remind everyone how full of shit you are, suddenly calling out a scumpairing due to what you call bussing.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Whatever. Call it what you want. It doesn't jive with you not being willing to commit to associative tells, or whatever you called it.
All of a sudden, a page or two later, not only are you willing to commit to two people being Scum, but do it for blatantly fabricated and false reasoning? Do you have such a high measure of self-importance that you take credit for something that's been happening well before you showed up?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I'm discrediting you because:
1) You claim that he's distancing with me as a result of you labeling us both scum when he's been doing it way before you showed up.
2) You went out of your way earlier to tell me you weren't interested in any sort of tells of association to the point that when I asked what your response would be *to knowing my alignment* you still told me you weren't going to speculate on associative tells. And now suddenly you're sure you caught two scum distancing?
It doesn't make sense, and isn't consistent.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Your consistent taking of things out of context to make someone look bad when you ask about it.In post 359, Fredrick E Campbell wrote:
On what basis are you making that accusation?In post 358, SensFan wrote:Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I'm consciously trying to remove the innate bias from knowing you're wrong in coming after me. At least your reasons for suspecting me are consistent even if I disagree. The difference between your case against me and that of Fred/sickofit is night and day.In post 371, lucca261 wrote:
I find it strange that Sens thinks I'm scummy for so long, and when there's a wagon on me, he decides to not vote.In post 362, Raskolnikov wrote:I think 297 still holds for me atm regarding lucca.
I'd be interested in seeing where sensfan and huntress do decide to vote today given we're a fair chunk of the way through.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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