Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)
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In post 55, Aeronaut wrote:In post 52, Metalcyanide wrote:Awwww, it seems I missed casting RVS. Screw it - VOTE: Pisskop he's the only one I've played with before obviously has to be scum because of that
Why are you trying to bring us back to RVS...
Because I always miss RVS and I was still reading what was going on....sorry UNVOTE: Pisskop-
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In post 59, RadiantCowbells wrote:So, Metal/Taly both worthy of my votes and since there's no one on Taly
VOTE: metalcyanide
Wow 2 posts and I'm worthy of a scum vote. Quickest scum read ever
In post 61, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think he is gauging for reactions, but I can see people may think this.
Anyway, I associate the word 'eek'-tor to scream, and scream to fear, and fear to mafia because mafia wants you to be afraid because they can kill you. - Conspiracy theory.
VOTE: eektor
ANYWAYS, hi everyone. Looking forward to this game, and hi odd. Seems like we are both in two games together.
specifically the first line is both overexplaining and noncommittal, both things I consider scummy.
I like this, but I have some issues with it as well. Need to see some more real talk before I know how I feel about it.-
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In post 69, InsidiousLemons wrote:I'm liking Aquanim a fair bit more now.
UNVOTE: Aquanim
Not loving eektor, he's been posting fairly frequently but briefly and without much substance, mostly just agreeing with other people. He hasn't been doing much hunting.
Don't know how I feel about Taly. I think I like him, for the most part.
I don't like Metal, at least not much. A meaningless RVS vote and an immediate retraction with an apology is fishy, to say the least. It eliminates the possibility of a reaction test and, while it could just be chalked up to laziness, apathy is at best a null tell. Seems scummy to me.
VOTE: Metalcyanide
This is L-1.
How does a vote and retraction take away from a reaction test. If I say so I've gotten a couple good reactions. Like putting someone at L-1 when another person is counter claiming a cop role.
Hard scum read on InsidiousLemons, but not a target right now I want to hear from TheDude about the counter claim and more from mykonian
Also, is there a list of the roles in this game I can't seem to find it.-
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In post 73, InsidiousLemons wrote:And you apologized immediately. You played it off as a mistake regardless of what it actually was, and thus somewhat detracted from the range of possible reactions. It doesn't add up.
I can play things as I want, but I think I can see where your coming from
You still didn't acknowledgement of the above counterclaim-
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In post 80, InsidiousLemons wrote:Nope. Although the fact he didn't notice does suggest he's not worried about getting lynched, which could be a point for towniness. Again, could be apathy, so it doesn't really affect my read on him, but it's an interesting piece of information nonetheless.
Also, thought you were reaction testing hence the "but I think I can see where your coming from" message I was on board being used as bait. Oh well we all fail at math sometimes.-
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None, I could have left it there and still said sorry but it was a nothing vote so I unvoted. Hell even the sorry was just an olive branch that I think some scum are using as a weapon.
Post by Elyse » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:33 pm
@Metal
How many games have you played onsite?
2 games. I played in one full game that just completed and replaced into one that is ongoing but died quickly in.-
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In post 98, Elyse wrote:Ok.
You're town for now.
Who specifically is using your apology as a weapon? InsidiousLemons?
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I liked what RadiantCowbell said, my issues with it though is I don't know anybody's meta. So I really just want to see how things play out with that.
No it was not a preplanned reaction test, but I was able to use it as one. The late RVS was just a dumb first post that was supposed to let people know I was here.
I could care less that IL attacked me. What makes him my hard scum read is that he pushed on such a weak read and attempted to put me L-1 so early. When I looked at the votes I thought he was going for a reaction test so I didn't call him on it but after he admitted to it not being any type of test I considered it a scum move.-
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In post 111, InsidiousLemons wrote:It was intended to put pressure on you. Perhaps a rash move but I doubt we'd get a quickhammer on page, what, 3? Even from scum it seems unlikely as they'd probably get lynched on the next day assuming you're town, and you've sinced satisfactorily given explanation for everything.
Not sure how much I like this reasoning.
Yes if anyone did hammer me it would have looked really bad for them but I'm sure an experienced player could talk their way out of it.-
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In post 119, Aquanim wrote:In post 118, Metalcyanide wrote:I'm going to hold it against you but lets see how everything else goes.
For now time to get more information out of others.
Who in particular do you want to get more information out of and why?
Literarily everybody because I have only one read at the moment.-
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What's part? I'm looking at a failed L-1, a hard push because of my first 2 posts, and a reaction test that wasn't a reaction test. It looks scummy as hell. If it really was just bad play it was really bad play.-
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Okay meant to get this out earlier but work got in the way.
Insidious Lemons- I'm liking you more than I did yesterday. I don't have an issue with the way he backed off of his vote of me. Also, he appears to be active scum hunting and pushing people for explanations. I'm taking a step back from him for now. @IL do you have a scum case against RadiantCowbells or do you just disagree with their argument of Aquanim?
RadiantCowbells- I'm confused by your vote on Aquanim. Is your argument against him that he defended Odd so that means he is scum w/Odd? In that case why wouldn't you continue to push odd in order to prove a connection. I guess it could work either way but I feel like it would be a stronger case. Also, your comment of "I'm not going to justify anything to you" looks bad. It doesn't matter if your talking to suspected scum, you need to convince the rest of town to side with you
Oddmusic- I never brought you up while I was talking to IL about his push on me but your vote seemed off to me but not enough to really bring it up. Why didn't you ever comment while the discussion about me and IL was going on? It was almost 100 posts between your vote and your next comment which was a change in vote. Also, why change your vote was Radiant's last post that much more of a scum read than you had on me? You only switched the vote because "it wasn't doing much". What's your read of me now? Last point to you right now is this, it is fine to be quiet (8 posts, 10 pages) and confused but you need to contribute something more even if it makes you look stupid it may help.
toolenduso- Where have you been? Also to answer the qustion asked back in post: 121 the scum read was based on what is looking more and more like bad play. See above.
more to come but more IRL stuff to do
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In post 250, oddmusic wrote:RC's switching from me, someone she (?) supposedly had a strong scumread on, to aquanim as a policy lynch, even though I gave my wagon plenty of momentum, is giving me confidence in my vote…finally. Though I do like her posting waffles in response to me. It's a pretty fair assessment of my play to that point in the game, and I like waffles. They're tasty.
Taly and Aquanim both rushed to my defense. Could be scum buddying. Could also be town trying to stop what they think is a bad wagon.
With that in mind, could somebody explain to me the scumcase on Taly and/or Aquanim? Doesn't matter who, just want something concrete to work with.
I feel like that RC is trying to link you and Aquanim. But I'm looking for more explanation on this from RC as well. I'm working on a post with some Taly stuff not sure it will help make a scum case though.-
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Part 2: A continuation of my whatever the hell this is list
Taly- As others have said you are looking a bit panicky which can be a scum read but I can see why a newer player would be playing this way. Back in post 113 you said "I think some are leaning in both directions individually, but I think quite a few people so far are neutral." Could you let us know who you feel is leaning which way. Side note hope everything is good in IRL.
Aquanim- Thank you for giving me time to make good on me getting info, I know some people don't have patience in these games. So how do you feel about lurkers / low post counters? Also where are you on Odd right now, is he closer to town or scum to you?
Pisskop- Speaking of lurkers, whats up where you been? ISOing you shows a bunch of fluff posts. I want some reads out of you.
It's 0415 time for bed see you guys later today.-
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Quick post time
Pisskop -Just get in here when you can and give us some reads.
Taly -
In post 259, Taly wrote:
Question:Since you basically just did a read, what do you think about the people who havenotresponded? Also, what do you think about my reads?
I think we have heard from everyone except RC, who I do want to hear from but I will give just a little more time before I make a fuss about it.
I don't have any major issues with your reads. I disagree with a few, notably Tool and Odd but otherwise they seem okay. My issue with your Tool read is I feel like he hasn't said enough for you to place him on this list as just neutral, but that may be my own issues with his low post count (although his last post is extensive). Odd I feel like should be a cautious scum lean that would change to probably town if RC is were to flip scum.
With that last part said VOTE: RadiantCowbells. RC makes me nervous, I don't really like the push on Odd then the switch over to Aqua. I see this as the best D1 lynch right now and the flip, either way, would provide us with the most information.-
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In post 284, mykonian wrote:MC's vote is a bit strange. Not really seeing that.
What's brothering you about it? I want to see if I can explain it better.-
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In post 304, pisskop wrote:
Can we get a read list form you? Who are your top three?
So what are people's opinions on TDA?
It's Metalcyanides top 4 scum reads:
#4) Taly - Has had some shaky play and what has looked like sheeping. However I like his read list so really mixed feelings on him. This is the weakest of my scum reads and not something I'm interested in pursuing right now.
#3) Odd - Again shaky play but leaving this one based on a RC turn
#2) TheDudeAbides - I try not to push lurkers to much as it can be seen as going after an easy target but there is a point where it gets suspicious, and with only 9 posts over 13 pages and not a post in the last 42 hours we have hit that point.
#1) RadiantCowbells - For reasons previously given and post: 291, I hate this post. Below is why
-You referencing a game only some of us may have been in
-Again you say you don't want to explain yourself because you can't get people to understand you. Tough I have the same problem I keep talking until understood or dead,
-Overly defensive about my read on you
I am very happy with where my vote is. Also, the info I get from your lynch is alignment & role, other info I can get is where you busing a scum mate, where you trying to set some one up, and other things I like to look for. I will not list everything.-
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It doesn't tell us what your alignment is but it's not helpful. If it was addressed to everyone it's confusing since we weren't there. If it's addressed to Eektor fine that's a discussion but it just wasn't clear. The fact you used it and it wasn't clear (in addition to everything else) is scummy to me. Also, you commented but didn't try to make what you said clear. That isn't helping yourself.-
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Just did a quick little post:
Taly has a lot of UtE in 354 not sure how to feel about that.
RC - Did you mean Oddmusic? And I know you have explained it before but can I get a full reasoning behind your push for Odd
Also, @MOD I'm going to be V/LA this weekend. I'll try to check in but don't count on much from me-
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Okay wow, missed some fun stuff. So here's a bunch of stuff going through my head right now.
First things first UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells.
Second, Bye Bye Odd
Assuming RC really is a day cop then we can eliminate Pisskop & RC from any lynch.
RC who is Annie? I'm assuming this is the Boon slot.
Pisskop I'm assuming you are using your second shot before the end of D1. Who are you looking at? Also, you brought up a me being a scum team with Odd whats your thought on me now?
Looking back at my scum reads 2 were wrong (RC & Odd). I have to look at Taly and The Dude closer (i'll be real pissed if I go 0-4) and I need to look at mykonian (mostly because I haven't really looked at him to closely)
I'm not sure where to turn right now. Wagon is on Taly feels safe but I thought the same about RC. More digging needs to be done, I'll be back on tomorrow (aka later today).-
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Just guessing based off of peoples names. I thought maybe RC knew Boons real name. Didn't know he was just talking gibberish again.
Missed this thank youPisskop I'm assuming you are using your second shot before the end of D1.
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In post 520, pisskop wrote:In post 517, Aquanim wrote:...
Can you take your second shot today, pisskop? (I kind of doubt it, but might as well ask.)
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In post 537, eektor wrote:Well, this game got a whole lot interesting. pisskop is definitely town and unfortunately oddmusic was town. I am thinking Taly is town and even though I have doubts I don't think he is a good lynch for day one. I have my suspicions on mykonian, Insidious Lemon and Aquamin. I need to reread and then I'll decide where to vote.
@Metal Annie is RC.
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[quote="In post 562, toolenduso"]Hang on a second here -- RC, you weren't being serious about that claim were you? Because I read it as just being a bit of silliness, but then metal comes in here acting like it's a real claim and you don't refute him.[quote]
I don't know people's real names so I assumed it was a real claim but I didn't know who RC checked (all under the assumption this was real). I take all claims seriously, so if RC wants to continue to screw around 1 week in to this game, I see no reason to keep him alive
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
You've looked like scum to me this whole game and that fake claim seals it for me.-
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In post 564, pisskop wrote:Are you voting RC for saying they were the cute-cop??
Honestly only really cared about the cop part. I've played games (on other sites) where the role titles were weird for no reason so I assumed the claim was just that. The fact RC didn't say anything to correct me bugs the hell out of me. So yes I guess I am voting him for saying he is the "cute-cop" long with my already mentioned reasons. Add in the Odd flip town thanks to the mis-shot I don't see this as a bad D1 lynch.-
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Only teasing you-
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In post 569, Aquanim wrote:I imagine that RadiantCowbells saying they had checked aLeague of Legendscharacter was intended as a refutation.
(I did not notice the link to RC's avatar until eektor said something about it. In my defence, I'm not a LoL player.)
That was after I asked.-
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In post 603, Taly wrote:
What are the odds (to you) that I am going to be lynched today? Do you think things can go differently? And, what are your reads on me? You haven't given direct answers other than to suggest you're townreading me. And if that is the case, what are your thoughts on the votes/case against me?
I'd like to chime in on this. I don't have you on my radar as scum, your not town either though, and unless convinced otherwise or we are approcing a no lynch situation I don't see my vote landing on you today. That said I feel like you may end up being the D1 lynch.
The cases against you are alright not the best not the worst.-
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Post 414 "I'm actually really unhappy about Boon replacing in on a townread because if he's scum the chances are he'll never end up as a strong scumread." I assumed he was going back to this.-
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I'm going to acknowledge this vote for me in the best way I can:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HttF5HVYtlQ[/youtube]
But seriously I don't know you, how you act, your meta or your name. Then you make a cop claim, despite the name you gave it, how am I supposed to react to that? Yep I look like an idiot afterwards but whatever.-
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In post 619, RadiantCowbells wrote:these priorities though
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In post 644, pisskop wrote:In post 643, Metalcyanide wrote:So Eektor, Pisskop, Boonskiies & Toolenduso with just left a week left to go. Who do each of you feel like you will end up voting for? Also, why? I'm not looking for you guys to vote now just looking to see where your heads are at.
Where is your head at?
I cant tell because your ISO is pretty barren.
Ya being away last weekend killed my post count and momentum lol.
Anyways, I'm looking for an RC lynch. If I have to vote Taly to avoide a no lynch I will but I'm not entirely convinced that it's the best D1 lynch.-
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In post 646, Aquanim wrote:I can't help but think that the focus of the thread on active players today (it's mostly been on Taly, RadiantCowbells, myself, and some on Elyse and Mykonian) is a classic way for town to lose.
I think there are some people scumreading Taly simply because there is much more to be scumread about him, for the sole reason that he's posted so much more than most. Since eektor, TDA and especially boonskiies aren't saying much of anything, the actual volume of the reasons to scumread them is less. That does not, however, make them any less likely to be mafia than Taly.
Further, it encourages them to keep lurking whatever their alignment, since not only are they not being pursued for it, they are getting a demonstration in the thread of what's likely to happen to them if they DO speak up.
So basically your saying hey stop looking at the active players and look at the lurkers?-
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In post 651, Aquanim wrote:In post 650, Metalcyanide wrote:In post 646, Aquanim wrote:I can't help but think that the focus of the thread on active players today (it's mostly been on Taly, RadiantCowbells, myself, and some on Elyse and Mykonian) is a classic way for town to lose.
I think there are some people scumreading Taly simply because there is much more to be scumread about him, for the sole reason that he's posted so much more than most. Since eektor, TDA and especially boonskiies aren't saying much of anything, the actual volume of the reasons to scumread them is less. That does not, however, make them any less likely to be mafia than Taly.
Further, it encourages them to keep lurking whatever their alignment, since not only are they not being pursued for it, they are getting a demonstration in the thread of what's likely to happen to them if they DO speak up.
So basically your saying hey stop looking at the active players and look at the lurkers?
Not quite. I'm saying "look at the lurkers as well".
Good. I'm in full agreement.
We have a few lukers this game I feel, I think the biggest lukers right now are (no real order):
Elyse w/ 36 posts last post 28 hrs ago
TBA w/ 31 posts last post 12 hrs ago
Boon w/ 7 posts (I get he replaced in but still there should be more) last post 16 hrs ago
Tool w/ 21 posts last post 17 hrs ago
and Eektor w/ 27 posts but last posted 8 hours ago-
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In post 656, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you think i'm scum, why are you arguing with my logic?
To ensure you don't convince town to follow it-
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In post 657, Taly wrote:
@Metalcyanide
I think eliminating those who are lurking is a lot easier and safer than those who have been most active. Aqua is right, my post count itself shouldn't have that much influence on my alignment. At least people you see post a lot are people you're most getting information from, and those you've seen the MOST of. (So you have definitive thoughts on their alignment, as opposed to lurkers who really have not contributed that much.)
Sorry if I was misunderstood. Just because someone is a lurker does not mean they are scum. The post count helps make a final decision or who to look into more.-
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In post 659, RadiantCowbells wrote:You say town like it's some separate entity apart from you
That was the dumbest thing I've read today-
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In post 664, eektor wrote:In post 643, Metalcyanide wrote:So Eektor, Pisskop, Boonskiies & Toolenduso with just left a week left to go. Who do each of you feel like you will end up voting for? Also, why? I'm not looking for you guys to vote now just looking to see where your heads are at.
Right now, I think I'm interested in an Insidious Lemon lynch.
Why IL? Aside from some bad play towards the beginning of the gamehe has seemed okay. Can you lay out a case if it is ready-
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In post 667, Aquanim wrote:I don't understand how a townie reading the thread would come to the conclusion that Elyse is a lurker, post count or no post count.
Just going by the post count. She defenitly has a good amount of long posts though