Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[UberNinja]

Vote: shos

... I'm not stupid!

you ALL are idiots

I think I'm gonna like this guy... ;D

[UberNinja]

Yeah but he does it with style and you are doing it with an image somebody else created.
You are disingenuous in your attacks and you are OMGUS voting me at this very second.

Moar votes on

shos

please. We've caught a live one folks.

[UberNinja]

*uncontrollably evil laugh*

No but seriously guys, give him some space.

Whether he's scum or not, 3 pages is way too quick for a lynch. I just finished a game where I was scum and we lynched a really scummy townie on page 3, and that was really really bad for town momentum and motivation. There were a lot of other factors to the perfect win there, but that was the first in a perfect storm of bad-for-town-ness.

I have absolutely no desire for that to happen here.

Unvote

Parama is town.

Vote Kanye

Why is Parama town? I'm getting a distinctly different feeling, mainly from his shos-wagon hop.
Whether shos is town or scum is irrelevant; that hop in 39 followed by "This is beautiful" was scummy as fuck.

[UberNinja]

For clarity:

Be it known that I am of the opinion that shos will flip scum (mostly because of this post right here).

But I

still

don't want a lynch anywhere near this early, as it'll

really

throw off our groove if he *does* flip town.

[UberNinja]

I propose we roast Parama on a spit and jab him in the ribs with red-hot tongs until he admits to being scum as well.

[UberNinja]

screw this, VOTE: Vote Quilford [/b] bandwagoning already

Why didn't you fix your vote when it was clear it was broken?

And then when you did vote, you voted for the mod. Why?

[UberNinja]

Me and Vi are going to make cute little tiger babies that wear hats and ties and look all innocent.

[UberNinja]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

eh, ninja'd by three posts:
@uber:
firstly, I didn't see it was broken till next time I got to the page; if I'm not online with others like now, I just submit and ctrl w, I don't look at the post I made.
secondly, I suppose that even if I did see it I wouldn't care enough to fix it, since it was a random vote, not to be taken seriously.
third - are you seriously asking this?

Yes, I am seriously asking it.

[UberNinja]

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

Actually my vote on you is quite serious. Why shouldn't you be lynched?

cuz I'm a town member?

Is that a question?

[UberNinja]

I like this.

Vote: Parama

[UberNinja]

Shut up and vote Parama.

aka:

"Come with me if you want to live."

[UberNinja]

@ Zar: If I was worried about looking good, I would have stuck to my guns and run the shos lynch into the ground, or lurked until a hammer was dropped and then said "omg you guys it was an RVS vote, you shouldn't have wagoneddddd" or some shit. Unfortunately since I have a fucking conscience and I want the game to turn out fun for everyone (and preferably with a win for me and my kind) I can't allow a lynch to go through this fucking early. Did you not read my explanation (with links to a game I just finished as scum where the exact same thing happened) or did you just not care?

While we're on the topic of trying to look good, though, how come you're advocating voting me but not backing it up with a vote of your own?

Wait a second... I remember your name. You are half of the House Lannister hydra, aren't you?

[UberNinja]

Shut up and vote Parama.

aka:

"Come with me if you want to live."

by my count shos is already voting paramathrd

Oh mb carry on then. He can still pretend I'm Arnold though if he wants, that'd really get me off

Now seriously why are you all voting Parama and not the Ninja?

UN promised me babies.

Classy

babies.

They shall be born with silver spoons in their jaws and we shall name them Clive and Cussler.

[UberNinja]

This is beautiful.

[UberNinja]

You do that. Let me know how it works out for you.

[UberNinja]

unvote, vote: Parama

Really don't see why he's scummy but I'mma bandwagon anyways.

*sigh*
So you're basically a douchebag, alright.

unvote, vote: shos

back to voting scum then

Appeal to Emotion level: Expert.

[UberNinja]

Also Parama, the phrase "Back to voting scum" trying to subtly imply that you are not scum yourself = NICE TRY BRO

[UberNinja]

My dilemma is that your wagon was a retroactive reaction test of both you and your wagoners.

Guess who I picked out as the scumbag.

MOAR PARAMA VOTES

[UberNinja]

My dilemma is that your wagon was a retroactive reaction test of both you and your wagoners.

So you never actually thought he was scum, huh.
Hmm.

Why do you think shos is town?

Lrn2read

For clarity:

Be it known that I am of the opinion that shos will flip scum (mostly because of this post right here).

But I

still

don't want a lynch anywhere near this early, as it'll

really

throw off our groove if he *does* flip town.

[UberNinja]

So then, you thought he was scum, yet his wagon was nothing more than a reaction test? :/

Also, what about that post stands out as scummy to you?
Are there any more of his posts that you find scummy?

You really don't do well at reading, do you? Does the word "retroactive" mean anything to you?

I'll tell people why the post is scummy if he flips scum. Otherwise I'll pretend like it was all a joke, obviously.

Yes he has other scummy posts. But not as scummy as yours.

[UberNinja]

Shh, don't vote him yet until I'm done with him. I have a hunch and I want to pursue it first.

Your sudden surge of confidence is cute.


Furc, read the link I posted to Mini 1318. You too, Chiaro. It's 3 pages tops; not asking you to meta me or anything, but it's stupid to lynch someone on page 3, and I just destroyed a town that did it to a VI. Shos, while he may be a VI-scum, is still a bad idea to lynch. The guy in Mini 1318 literally claimed scum, and he was still a townie. Read this too:

@ Zar: If I was worried about looking good, I would have stuck to my guns and run the shos lynch into the ground, or lurked until a hammer was dropped and then said "omg you guys it was an RVS vote, you shouldn't have wagoneddddd" or some shit. Unfortunately since I have a fucking conscience and I want the game to turn out fun for everyone (and preferably with a win for me and my kind) I can't allow a lynch to go through this fucking early. Did you not read my explanation (with links to a game I just finished as scum where the exact same thing happened) or did you just not care?

[UberNinja]

also yeah

yos is giving me the odd vibes like i give kids candy

[UberNinja]

Nuwen is pulling shit out of her ass. Keep the shit in your ass, Nuwen.

[UberNinja]

Yos what are your opinions on other players in the game? The only people you have directly interacted with are the main two wagon targets.

Also I better not catch you skimming the thread and commenting only on posts that address you and/or call you scum.
Scum points for your last post because of that. And don't even say it's bullshit, because it's clearly not bullshit.

Where the hell is everyone.

[UberNinja]

You're asking me something that I've already answered.
How about instead, you answer the question I asked?

Thanks in advance.

[UberNinja]

Your attempt to make me look bad for scrutinizing you is noted, though.
Seriously, that could literally have been the definition of ad hominem.

If Parama ends up flipping town, I'll be on you like white on trailer parks.

[UberNinja]

Unvote; Vote: Yosarian2

Yo Parama. Prove yourself.

[UberNinja]

Thanks for writing a paragraph about what we already knew.

Now, why haven't you answered my question yet?

[UberNinja]

Here let me quote it for you:

Yos what are your opinions on other players in the game? The only people you have directly interacted with are the main two wagon targets.

[UberNinja]

Because I'm not Parama's scum buddy, obviously.

I'm not asking you for strong suspects, I'm asking you what you think of everyone so far, not just a blanket "pretty silly".

[UberNinja]

Because I'm not Parama's scum buddy, obviously.

[UberNinja]

This post, Vi.

Whoa. Couldn't have asked for more textbook trashing.

also yeah

yos is giving me the odd vibes like i give kids candy

oh.

i thought that was a lynch but it's just L-1

Anyway. I'm not going to disagree with a Parama lynch but

Nuwen you suck seriously what is that shit vote

also I'm worried about Vi.

VI YOU SCUM [COLLOQUIAL PRONOUN]???

like i didn't even say ANYWHERE that i considered nuwen or yos scum

You are either lying or reversing your reads under pressure. Both are scummy.

Mafia is way too easy now.

~~~

I've also translated/transliterated the Hebrew tidbit in the opening flavor and submitted a PM. I don't want to reveal the "answer" because I don't know what it does or how it relates to scum, but I WILL say the result took about 20 minutes of fast googling to figure out.

"odd vibes" + "shit vote" =/= saying both are scum

Nuwen is making shit up. Quilford didn't reverse anything.

[UberNinja]

"odd vibes" + "shit vote" =/= saying both are scum


Nuwen is making shit up. Quilford didn't reverse anything.

Those are pretty clearly both attacks.

lol

[UberNinja]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: uberninja
I have a feeling parama's going to give me headaches this game. I always had trouble reading belligerent players with bombastic posting styles.

Why vote

me

without reasoning, and then say someone

else

is going to give you headaches?

i dislike the way uberninja is trying to get the wagon off of shos, but is setting up for an easy excuse to jump on with his "he's probably scum but I don't want to lynch him yet"

This, basically. I was holding off on my reasoning but meh.

Why hold back on reasoning?

Some of us need to post more. Like me. Will do so later tonight.

Looking forward to seeing what you have.

In particular: What are your opinions on Yosarian and charter?

[UberNinja]

furc, does cockiness mean scum?

why should I pay attention to the votes on me if I am not scared of flipping scum?

[UberNinja]

I am totally self-righteous because I know what I will flip and I'm not scared to die

[UberNinja]

diddin does look scummy so far however that may just be the way he posts.

also the answer to shos in 171 sounds just like me, confident and uncaring.

[UberNinja]

oh dear, if Vi and Yos are scum together.... oh d-d-d-dear dear

*Piglet's voice*

[UberNinja]

Kanye's votes seem to go against the flow of traffic. He's voting for Parama for RVS, and then when other people vote Parama, he switches to Quilford based on Nuwen's crap-for-brains case. All that buddying with Parama right at the very beginning could be scumbuddies trying to buddy-distance with joke-votes. Parama's self-righteousness doesn't feel anywhere near as genuine as mine or diddin's either. They could be scum together but for now I like a Kanye vote better.

Unvote; Vote: Kanye

[UberNinja]

So you wouldn't be opposed to a Parama lynch, but don't want it NOW

OF COURSE I DON'T FUCKING WANT IT NOW WE ARE 72 HOURS AND 6 PAGES INTO DAY 1

yeah yeah long days harm the town, /whatever/

short days are even worse. a handful of people have barely posted, the less you hear from people the less you can hold them accountable for wht they've said.

kindly fuck off with your 'i caught one live' bullshit, anyone who says that and means it on page 5 is deluding themselves

"You see this shit all the time now; scum don't know whether to commit to a defense of a townie or take the juicy hammer thrust in front of their faces. Instead, they waffle their reads on the wagon'd player ("he's probably scum... but I want more information first") player and try to shift suspicion onto the tail-end voters."
lol y u so dumb

IF I WERE SAYING BUT I WANT MORE INFORMATION FIRST ON PAGE FORTY FUCKING FIVE THAT WOULD BE A WAFFLED READ. SAYING IT ON PAGE FIVE IS NOT. HOW CAN YOU SHIFT SUSPICION ONTO THE TAIL END VOTERS OF A PLAYER WHO HASN'T EVEN FLIPPED? YOUR VOTE WAS AS SHIT AS ALL HELL AND I FOUND YOS VAGUELY SCUMMY IN HOW HE WAS COMING ACROSS NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PARAMA

analyze this, people. does this sound like scum to you?

[UberNinja]

g2g for now, bbl

[UberNinja]

analyze this, people. does this sound like scum to you?

I got a scumread on him, but I don't see that wagon going anywhere today
If it does pick up steam, I would jump on, because it has my support

I feel like he is flailing the same way shos did earlier in the game. Shos jumping onto your wagon, and then back off when it didn't build steam, has me questioning my read on you tbh.

for 100% truth, I'm town. if you're town, let's rip this game apart together

we can be like the bash brothers from mighty ducks, except not

[UberNinja]

Zar, are you scum?

[UberNinja]

Zar, are you scum?

Nope.

(Ninja: just go read your ROLE PM closely, you'll notice my name is not listed among your night time buddies. xD)

tell me then
at exactly which post did RVS end?

Okay Parama, please tell me you're not implying that RVS is a well-defined and separate game stage?

Ok, you get to join me and furcolow as confirmed town

Let's do this

[UberNinja]

Well lookie there! I was kind enough to give you a choice!

Look at all the options you have now, Yos:

-

Lynch me, then "oops well I guess UN was right and I'm an idiot"

-

Lynch me, then "oops well I guess UN was telling the truth... but UN's still an idiot"

<-- here's where you're at
-

Cackle evilly because, as scum, you found a good reason to mislynch somebody

<-- you might be here too *shrug*
or, -

None of the above

<-- the smart option... if you're town that is

Vi, the reason I'm not voting Parama is because Yos is doing the whole

"More people will side with me anyway, so I'll grasp at straws and/or bully this townie into looking scummy and then when all's said and done nobody will suspect me because my target clearly deserved it because look at our join dates lol"

dance.

And that's for killin.

[UberNinja]

Oh and one more thing... just for Yos.

I'm town, I'm town, I'm town, I'm town, I'm town^∞...

[UberNinja]

Yes Regis, I'd like to call in a Lifeline:

charter, am I acting how I acted in Mini 1318?

second question: is the above question WIFOM?

[UberNinja]

I don't think any player except maybe shos himself saw the wagon going anywhere, and I don't think you're an exception. As such, I see your words and unvote as oppotunistic white-knighting.

I am very serious about lynching shos. I won't lie, I have pulled the white-knighting thing as scum before (the game was deleted), but I am really genuine in my reasons for not wanting to lynch shos (yet). Namely, because I just won a game as scum where we lynched town Day 1 in 3 pages and town never recovered from the suspicion and infighting brought about as to whose fault that was. If I was scum, I kid you not, I would have ridden his wagon until death did us part.

However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him.

And yet you are voting me instead of him? I'm not sure what to make of your post #112:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: uberninja
I have a feeling parama's going to give me headaches this game. I always had trouble reading belligerent players with bombastic posting styles.

And you never answered my post 194:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: uberninja
I have a feeling parama's going to give me headaches this game. I always had trouble reading belligerent players with bombastic posting styles.

Why vote

me

without reasoning, and then say someone

else

is going to give you headaches?

-----

I'm actually also for a parama wagon, but at the moment a nnja wagon s more likely. these are the highest two on the list, followed by Kanya

Why are you voting for a wagon that is

more likely to go through (at this moment)

, instead of a wagon that will

more likely yield scum?

This is scummy to high heaven.

Unvote; Vote: shos

shos/Parama/Chiarosicada, anyone?

[UberNinja]

Unvote; Vote: shos

shos/Parama/Chiarosicada, anyone?

after you play for a while

you'll wind up in a bunch of scenarios where you make a list and then vote for the only townie on the list, and then go back to square one only to find postgame that the rest of your list was correct

this is probably going to be one of those

You think Parama/Chiaro are scum but not shos?

[UberNinja]

shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount

What was scummy there? Iirc I just asked wtf.
Uber and parama have already supplied their reasons for votirng me-parama thinks the whole saga was already out of RVS and uber either misread or misrepped me. But you and diddin im still waiting to hear from. Diddin just seems to be lurking behind his rvs vote and you-well answer the question above


Shitty Iphone posticng

Anybody else think he was [trying to garner sympathy, making excuses, etc] by insinuating he's on a mobile phone?

Anybody else think the "posticng" at the end seems just a little ... oh... FAKE? This is why I'm voting shos. This right here.

[UberNinja]

unvote, vote: Chiar

bussin' time

you have mentioned him a grand total of zero times so far in this game.

care to say anything about chiaro besides opening up a can of WIFOM?

[UberNinja]

I'm not voting

[Parama]

now because it's

not worth the effort

.

vote nuwen

because she's scum go go go

Nuwen (1): Quilford
Parama (

[what could be

2

]

): Vi,

are you seriously implying that you suck this much at mafia

if you are then that's okay, you can join a handful of other people itt

i just wanted to vote nuwen

vi comes across looking like scum trying too hard here...

quilford comes across as "hay dude it is what it is. deal."





Bad Vi. Bad. Don't make me get out the spatula.

[UberNinja]

shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount

What was scummy there? Iirc I just asked wtf.
Uber and parama have already supplied their reasons for votirng me-parama thinks the whole saga was already out of RVS and uber either misread or misrepped me. But you and diddin im still waiting to hear from. Diddin just seems to be lurking behind his rvs vote and you-well answer the question above


Shitty Iphone posticng

the scumminess lies in the lack of you posting your wagon whining in 224
why did you wait to make this post:

Day 1 votecount 4

shos (4):

diddin, Parama, Furcolow, UberNinja
With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

May i be reninded of why i am being voted again?

You are clearly not following the game, and reading at a skim. You didn't even realize you had 4 votes until the mod edited it! This is the 2nd time you've been woe is me, and you've already flailed at me once.

what is your opinion on yosarian? you've tunneled a lot on shos, but I don't see much productivity otherwise from your slot

[UberNinja]

Why vote me without reasoning, and then say someone else is going to give you headaches?

I voted you because I thought you were scummy. I said that Parama would give me headaches because I find players with his playstyle hard to read. I’m not sure why this distinction is lost on you.

As for why I didn’t state my reasons for voting you, I wanted to see who was thinking along the same lines as me so that I could identify them as more likely town, which I now see shos as.

or maaaaaaybe it's because you wanted to say "yeah me too" to something instead of striking out on your own and saying why you thought I was scummy, for fear of being shot down on your bullshit reasons, which are clearly bullshit

so please, tell us why you think I was scummy, in your own words.

[UberNinja]

Are you seriously implying your vote is nothing but OMGUS?

[UberNinja]

A lot. Anything in particular you want to point me to?

Or are you just trying to be cute by ignoring my question and asking your own again?

[UberNinja]

Then do it.

[UberNinja]

I admit I almost voted for him last page based on most of that.

But I still think shos should go first.

[UberNinja]

You talkin' to me? ... you must be, cause I'm the only one here.
shos is scummy enough to lynch, and I'm currently voting shos.

WHAT NOW

[UberNinja]

I just ISO'd you. I was confused at first but then I understood.

Is there any possible way under the sun that Yosarian is scum?

Additionally, would you be willing to switch to a Chiaro wagon?

[UberNinja]

i still support my quilford vote. going to reread cus most of my other reads are nonexistent at this point.

Mod, please replace me.

having no fun and no motivation to read up or anything. apologies.

yep. hes definitely scum.

If Quilford flips scum, kanye is his buddy.

[UberNinja]

V/LA until Monday 4/23

[UberNinja]

I got back early. I'll have some thoughts up in a while.

[UberNinja]

Ok, after re-reading, someone stuck out to me like a sore thumb.

Zar.

I barely even noticed him before this, but now that I've studied his play, it's almost

all

bad.

He asks questions instead of asserting opinions.
He rarely even follows up on those questions.
He rarely takes a concrete stance on anything.
He stays out of the spotlight on purpose.
He posts just enough to avoid lurkerhunter notice.
He doesn't rock the boat; so as not to make waves.
He randomly defends his Chiaro vote unnecessarily.

And now we'll go through his entire ISO.

VOTE: UberNinja

Ninjas can obviously murder without being detected.

RVS.

so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?

O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~

eh, ninja'd by three posts:
@uber:
firstly, I didn't see it was broken till next time I got to the page; if I'm not online with others like now, I just submit and ctrl w, I don't look at the post I made.
secondly, I suppose that even if I did see it I wouldn't care enough to fix it, since it was a random vote, not to be taken seriously.
third - are you seriously asking this?

Hey! My Slot isn't empty! </3

Anyway:

Me and Vi are going to make cute little tiger babies that wear hats and ties and look all innocent.

Your babies can be innocent, even if you're not xD.

Now seriously why are you all voting Parama and not the Ninja?

Look at him, he backed out of his push before it got out hand, but opted on leaving a placeholder. Already worrying about looking good?

More RVS stuff, half-ass smear of me trying to look good (i.e. the only stance he's taken so far... and the only reason it's backed up with a vote is because his RVS vote was already on me).

@Ninja Yep, I'm half of HL.

As for your META link, thanks for sharing, but I don't think I will be using it anytime soon. META is something players can handpick to point at. I rather focus on your in-game behavior.

Doesn't like meta.

Quilford: do you have any scumreads? / suspects?

Asks a question. Doesn't follow up on it.

00berninja reads as noobtown trying too hard, not particularly scummy. shos, on the other hand, is flailing scum.

Care to ellaborate on the reasons for both opinions?

Asks a question.

What exactly is he case on Parama, again?

Asks a question.

Yeah it's true.

I don't know why I'm not being lynched really but I'll accept it :B

Parama = Meh.

I think you could maybe tell if there are other things/players you find suspicious besides your shos thoughts, rather than pulling a victim card. #justsayin'

Either this is coaching a scumbuddy, or it's coaching a townie. I can't tell which.

00berninja reads as noobtown trying too hard, not particularly scummy

. shos, on the other hand, is flailing scum.

Care to ellaborate on the reasons for both opinions?

diddin: You've already covered your thoughts on shos.

What about UberNinja's posts makes you feel this way?? (underlined for clarity)

Asks the same question as post #166, but ... Doesn't follow up on the answer.

Re-reading shos, I don't like how the accusations he has made so far have all spun around himself. Strikes me as OMGUSSy

Shos: who do you currently suspect? Is there anyone who hasn't been all over you you who you find scummy?

Says shos is OMGUSing, then asks more questions.

Zar, are you scum?

Nope.

(Ninja: just go read your ROLE PM closely, you'll notice my name is not listed among your night time buddies. xD)

Nervous reaction joke, fearing that saying "Nope" wouldn't be convincing enough... then jokes about me being scum instead of him.

It's becoming obvious.

tell me then
at exactly which post did RVS end?

Okay Parama, please tell me you're not implying that RVS is a well-defined and separate game stage?

Takes a dig at Parama for what Parama is extremely obviously already criticizing someone else for.

a) not paying attention to context
b) trying to make someone else look bad/foolish

whatever I think is scummy, I mention, Zar. so you can go over my posts and see about specifics; so far there haven't been incredible scumslips in my opinion, but only slightly scummy things. Diddin and Uber and Parama are my top three so far. I think the case on quilford isn't quite legit, but I want to see more about how people play here so I'm kinda avoiding stating my thoughts about that.

^^ I think this is a genuine response and most like to come from a townie player. So I'm currently leaning townish on shos.

also, you can see my last post right on top of you for example - what's OMGUSy in my play? O_o

What I considered OMGussy of your play comes from me ISOing you. It seemed to me your suspicions on players are focused on those that have either attacked you or voted you.

Did his consideration regarding shos' OMGUSy behavior revert, based on his new "currently leaning townish" read on shos?

No, but it's convenient to have a "leaning townish" read on shos if he does end up flipping town.

i was getting shitty gut reactions from Parama's voters because of the way they handled the wagon, but I find their reasoning for parama being scum as valid

Can you elaborate on this? If their reasoning for Parama being scum is valid, aren't you implying that either 1. they're bussing Parama or 2. there's more than one scumgroup?

Furc, read the link I posted to Mini 1318. You too, Chiaro. It's 3 pages tops; not asking you to meta me or anything, but it's stupid to lynch someone on page 3, and I just destroyed a town that did it to a VI. Shos, while he may be a VI-scum, is still a bad idea to lynch. The guy in Mini 1318 literally claimed scum, and he was still a townie.

I agree that it would be a bad idea to lynch shos. However, I don't think any player except maybe shos himself saw the wagon going anywhere, and I don't think you're an exception. As such, I see your words and unvote as oppotunistic white-knighting.

However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him

.

Chiaro basically promised to come with more contribution about three RL days ago and this is the only thing he has managed to produce? Really?

Ew. This has to be one of the worst posts (if not, the worst) in this thread so far. First of all its so wishy washy it hurts. It also takes the opportunity to tag along with another's opinion. (Which is what, the second time Chiaro parrots another players thoughts?). It also looks like something a buddy would use as an excuse to vote for a partner.

UNVOTE

VOTE:CHIAROSICADA

The first time he's done anything, really.

Zar you disappoint me

why?

As for being wishy-washy, I've gotten that both as town and as scum but I don't agree with the accusation. Mafia's a nuanced game and town lacks information. I think it's worse to have certainty of players' alignments on page 3, which some people in this game have claimed to have.

How do you think your contribution is helping?

Why are people voting chiaro again?

IMO, The few posts where Chiaro has allegedly contributed take stances only after other players have stated an intents. Chiaro's general tone and opinions land in a safe zone. Being wishy washy is a good way of sensing momentum to hop into a wagon. Chiaro doesn't strike me as truly engaged on the scumhunt at this point.

I also think this post is a good reason to keep voting Chiaro from his own words:

My philosophy as town is generally to be transparent with my thoughts, even if others might call it sheeping. The theory is that my towniness will show through eventually to other town who think similarly... but I guess that's not true, and I suppose can understand why. And everyone should be afraid of being lynched, town included. We only know our own alignment and you're helping town by not getting lynched.

In other news, I need to do more than defend myself and give the game a re-read.

I don't see any scum-hunting intent, only an interest in giving the impression of looking town. Furthermore, it sounds as another bid for more time. Somehow, I don't bode well with players that keep saying they will come back without delivering. It's a good strategy for scum to look like they are trying to make an effort to help, and I suspect this is one of those cases.

"I think this is a good reason to keep voting Chiaro" -- Defends his Chiaro vote unnecessarily... who has said that his Chiaro vote was bad at all?

your vote is bad

Is this addressed to me? Why is my vote bad?

Then furcolow says it's bad, and he asks why it's bad. And that's where we are right now.


--------


Is it conclusive that he's scum? No. But it's surprisingly unnoticeable and I'm getting strange vibes from it.

I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.

Throughout my re-read, I have other reads to share with you all:

shos - Reversing my read on him to townie. Call me crazy but I think he's town now.
Vi - Not sure here, but has been consistent on Parama-scum. Seems to be esp. wily though.
diddin - Very unhelpful. Needs to replace out if he's not going to contribute.
Quilford/Elmo TeH AzN - Getting a town vibe now. I don't like the wagon at all, and if I ever did, I don't any longer.
Chiarosicada - A worthy lynch, but not my first choice. Probably not even my second choice.
Yosarian2 - My first choice. It's a damn crying shame nobody else agrees with me.
Parama - I'm getting mixed reactions on Parama. I want to leave him alive at least another day.
Nuwen - Seems particularly aggressive, but not particularly bright. No read on alignment.
Fate/Zar - See above.
charter - Seems town. Seems earnest. Play is very similar to last game we had together, where he was also town.
kanyeknowsbest - Ridiculously scummy. Not sure if playstyle or just scum. Somebody help me out here.
Furcolow - Seems town. Common sense, but succinct to the point of being nebulous. Please wax eloquent more.


Conclusion: here are my favored lynches, from most to least:

Yosarian/kanye
Chiaro
Zar

diddin (I prefer replacement though)

Nuwen
Vi
Parama (I want to wait at least a game day)

charter
Quilford/Elmo
shos
Furcolow

[UberNinja]

yo elaborate on how you are getting a town vibe on quilford/elmo "now"? the only recent activity from him is elmo saying hes going to read the game?

After re-reading his posts, I think he's town. It has nothing to do with any new content, it's just my new assessment of his old content.

That said, I don't recall ever thinking he's scum though. I don't really re-read my posts after I post them, so that's why I included "If I ever thought his wagon was good, it's really not". However, since you seemed to be insinuating that I flipped my reads out of nowhere, I went back and I DID check my posts.

Nowhere did I say that Quilford was scum, or that anything he said was scummy. The only sentence with both "Quilford" and "scum" in it was this post:

i still support my quilford vote. going to reread cus most of my other reads are nonexistent at this point.

Mod, please replace me.

having no fun and no motivation to read up or anything. apologies.

yep. hes definitely scum.

If Quilford flips scum, kanye is his buddy.

[UberNinja]

-_- I was hoping you wouldn't say that. I glanced at Quils Iso and its garbage. He was all over the place and didn't seem to really care for this game. At least he replaced out though. His vote on Nuwen is crap. Speaking of which
UNVOTE: Nuwen

Amished tell detected.

[UberNinja]

Ninja's post about Zar is terrible. that's a reeheaheaaaally forced case, which holds no water. what's wrong in asking questions? what follow up do you want for a question like 'remind me why you think ___ is scum'?

No, it's really not terrible. It's good because it puts more pressure on him to contribute, it brings his lack of contribution to light, and it shows how little of a footprint he's making on the game (i.e. good scum play).

And even if nothing else, that post shows that I have the ability to change my reads when I find out they're wrong, or at least misguided. Maybe you missed this part of that post:

I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.

what made you reverse your opinion on me all of a sudden?

A strange concoction of "too dumb to be scum" mixed with "this wagon is too easy" mixed with "there's not much we can get in terms of information based on his lynch" and then the cake-taker "too many scummy people voting him for crap reasons."

what mixed reactions do you get on Parama? or more in depth - what *good* reactions do you get from parama?

He's done plenty of things that are scummy, no doubt there. But Vi's push on him is weird and I'm undecided about some of the things he's done in terms of the motivations behind them. It's more of a vague "well what if he's town? that'd be a wasted lynch and we'd be nowhere still because otherwise he totally deserved it and everyone has a good excuse for being on his wagon so we'd learn basically nothing" kind of feeling.

why are you so certain about Yos? build a case on him in a post/quote one for me please~

I get bad feelings from how he tries to throw his weight around when questioned, and then disappears when not.

I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.

this, untill the 'even so', gives me town vibes. However, that last sentence - it is bad. it's like you are trying to get the cop in this game, if such exists, to investigate someone. this definitely could come from a scum PoV - you're trying to get the cop to investigate someone who is not in your scumteam.
so the second part kinda stops my town vibes. I'll see the answers to the questions above and I'll decide. as you know so far you've been on my scum radar.

Ok I see you didn't miss that part. No, I'm not trying to direct the cop who to inspect, I'm saying that theoretically if I was a cop I'd inspect him. I inspect people that I can't get solid reads on, but are leaning scummy for things I can't put my finger on + I don't think I'll be able to convince people to lynch them. If that makes sense to you, great; if not, no biggie.

[UberNinja]

Yos, please post your reads on everyone in the game.

[UberNinja]

Elmo, are you scum?

[UberNinja]

Yos, please post your reads on everyone in the game.

Quiford/Elmo is probably scum, you are probably scum. Parama is pretty iffy too. Nuwen, Vi, and Charter look town-ish, although it's too early to be too confident on any of them. Kanye looks pretty townish. That's the only reads I have so far, everyone else is pretty meh right now.

I'm not even close to scum, Quilford is also probably town. Parama is iffy, but not worth killing today.

Can you tell me why kanye is townish or Nuwen is townish, because I'm not seeing it.

[UberNinja]

Yos, how is it weird that I "defended Quilford early", and then said his wagon was bad once Elmo replaced in? (it was bad before, perhaps I didn't say it). There's nothing inconsistent there, but somehow Kanye seems to think there is, and I guess you do too, since you mentioned that kanye's "calling me out on that" is a point towards him being town.

Please explain.

[UberNinja]

If Kanye is town who thinks Quilford is scum, then I would expect him to call out people who are likely scum buddies of him; not vote them until after Quilford flips, that's not smart, but calling out potential buddies of your main suspect while your main suspect is still alive makes a lot of sense as an information gathering method.

Why have I heard "looking for associative tells on Day 1 is worthless" so many times then?

You've defended Quilford/Elmo in pretty suspicious ways several times this game. The first one was when Nuwen made a logical case and you just said she was "pulling shit out of her ass" without ever explaining why you didn't agree with it.

If "logical case" now means "making incorrect statements about someone and then voting them for it", then yeah, that was an extremely logical case. How is it suspicious to tell someone they're pulling shit out of their ass? She was. So I called her on it.

Quilford/Elmo TeH AzN - Getting a town vibe

now

. I don't like the wagon at all

, and if I ever did, I don't any longer

.

The way you worded it it implied that you suddenly had a new town vibe, even though there was no new information, and even though you'd been defending them all game.

Here I fixed it for you then.

Nuwen's case on Quilford was shit, and kanye's shit about Elmo is shit too.

Anyway, all of it was pretty weird. If Quilford flips scum, you're probably his buddy. And Kanye noticing the oddness of your Quilford defense makes me feel better about Kanye.

Who's scum if Quilford flips town?

[UberNinja]

Just because I don't post

walls

very much

at all

doesn't mean I have to replace out.

FTFY, and, well, of course not. I just said I would like for you to post more. No use getting your knickers in a twist, girl.

[UberNinja]

so youre acknowledging that quilford is scum then? it wouldnt be much of a backup lynch based on him being a scumbuddy if the first one didnt flip scum after all.

How much do you want to bet that, regardless of if or how Quilford flips, Yos2 will go after UberNinja as soon as Quilford stops becoming an attractive lynch target?

I wouldn't care so much except the quality of Yos2's reads ITT is seemingly-intentionally poor and UberNinja is pretty likely to be Town.

Sweet, I knew I wasn't the only one who saw that. Let's lynch the fuck out of Yosarian.

Unvote; Vote: Yosarian

Furcolow, Elmo, Parama, smart people, make this happen.

[UberNinja]

Ok, after re-reading, someone stuck out to me like a sore thumb.
Zar.
I barely even noticed him before this, but now that I've studied his play, it's almost

all

bad.
He asks questions instead of asserting opinions.

How can you claim you have barely even noticed me, when you've addressed questions to me more than once?

Barely pinged my scumdar, etc. I don't like people that slip under my radar.

He rarely takes a concrete stance on anything.

The fact that you don't like me calling you scum or that you don't like my Chiaro case doesn't mean I don't take a stances.

I don't give a flying fuck if you call me scum.

And I agreed with Chiaro being scummy, smart guy.

Notice I keep my vote where my suspicions are?

Cool story bro, what's your stance on Yosarian then?

?? Are you a poet now?

Yes, yes I am.

tell me then
at exactly which post did RVS end?

Okay Parama, please tell me you're not implying that RVS is a well-defined and separate game stage?

Takes a dig at Parama for what Parama is extremely obviously already criticizing someone else for.

a) not paying attention to context
b) trying to make someone else look bad/foolish

Nothing in Parama's question makes it clear that he's not implying what I asked him. I wanted clarification.

No.

Last time I checked, we really don't have a certainty of anyone's alignment.

Trying too hard to imply you're town...

Is it conclusive that he's scum? No. But it's surprisingly unnoticeable and I'm getting strange vibes from it.

Wishy-washy.

Yep, more so than I would have thought when I started, hence why you're only my fourthish choice to lynch.

I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.

This is a pretty safe stance. It asserts a supposed scumread, but then quickly backs off. It suggests game strategy, which could well be interpreted as an attempt of pretending to be helpful without being fully committed . The tone of the case to me like what somebody would do if he were interested in sensing the momentum to try to divert a wagon. Whether this case is a direct result of the Chiaro wagon is TBD.

Call it safe if you want, it's honest is what it is.

Are you suggesting that I'm trying to chainsaw attack on Chiaro's first attacker because I think it'll help get the wagon off Chiaro... ...even though the main wagon is Elmo/Quilford and I could have just laid low if I was scum with Chiaro?

Yyyeeeeaaahhhh.

[UberNinja]

Yosarian has begun to look better but I can't shake the suspicion. I still want him lynched today or tomorrow.

Nuwen, is clogging the thread scummy or just anti-town? Maybe if you posted more then it wouldn't seem so bad in comparison.
And do you really think I'd try to pull a scumbuddy out of the fire by running interference against Yosari2005 as a 2012ling myself? Riiiight.

The truth is, your case on Quilford was a huge stretch, and any continued case on his slot by kanye, yourself, or Yosarian is bullshit.

Furcolow what do you think about all this?

[UberNinja]

Yosarian has begun to look better but I can't shake the suspicion.

I still want him lynched today or tomorrow.

And do you really think I'd try to pull a scumbuddy out of the fire by running interference against Yosari2005 as a 2012ling myself?

Yes.

One of these things is not like the other one. "Running interference" = "wielding a chainsaw." Uberninja has consistently attacked every early wagoner against Quilford or tried to spam "CRAP CASE CRAP CASE SHIT SHIT CRAP" to get it dismissed.

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Your "logic" is literally worthless here.

Nuwen, is clogging the thread scummy or just anti-town? Maybe if you posted more then it wouldn't seem so bad in comparison.
Furcolow what do you think about all this?

I'm going to clarify with "clogging the thread" looks like, especially when done by a scumbuddy trying to pull someone out of the water D1.

First, you need to get as MANY players talking to and about other players as possible. The easiest way to do this is asking for megalists of scum/town reads (but followup is rare when they can't be used as part of a counter-case, because the asker isn't really using them to scumhunt).

Make no mistake: asking for opinions on other players' alignments isn't inherently scummy at all. Asking and then NEVER CARING ABOUT THE ANSWER is just a way of generating possible content to distract away from a caught buddy. Very easy to do on day 1, when the entire game is alive and there is no nightplay to supplement reads. Check out Uberninja's ISO and count the dozen+ times he asks specific players for reads, and then neglects to followup when ignored.

So Zar asking questions about other people without following up isn't scummy, then when I call him out for it, it's a reaching and forced case, but now you're saying the same thing against me and treating it like it's the best thing since buttered bread? lolworthy

Why would I ask the fucking questions if I don't care about the answer?

Please save me the time of showing where I follow up on my questions by finding them yourself.

You're infuriatingly dense.

Like I said, the case against Uberninja is pretty airtight when Quilford flips scum.

Alright, I'll bite. If Quilford flips scum, lynch me next.

But who's scum if Quilford flips

town

?

[UberNinja]

So Nuwen is calling for my head and still trying to push on since the wagon stalled.
UN's chainsawing and saw the light that I'm town. This game is great IMO.

If your slot isn't town I'm going to fucking murder you. Do something goddamn useful.

[UberNinja]

I really think shos is town now, because what scum reads examples from other games and comments on them?

lol can we even vote before game has been started? XD

what is this Holder thingie? O_o

I thought you were scum for this post because I saw nothing anywhere about a "Holder thingie" and thought it must be part of some role PM difference.
I was able to discern it being part of a post which the mod later edited to exclude that part, so I amended my read based on the information available.

[UberNinja]

Kanye has no reason to diligently tunnel on the Quilford slot as scum, with so much other fucking fodder in this game. I read his convinction as stronk and value the support behind my top wagon.

The replacement has done nothing to alleviate my scum read on it, especially after voting for Kanye.

At this point in the game, scum really have no choice but to attack their attackers.

So do you want me to go after you as well as Kayne? I italicized about your "scum read" on my slot (Quils replacement)
It seemed you voted Quil on a case that he flip flopped like John Kerry and replaced out under pressure. Looking at your reasons they're not half bad but for the wrong reasons. Right now your tunneling on me is quite laughable. What I don't get is you want more votes because this wagon is stalling. I attack Kayne and Vi joins almost instantly to vote him as well. Really I don't have a good read on you and Uber is probscum along with Kayne. But thats a reach there.

You just said a few posts ago that I'm chainsawing. That term only applies when both are scum, if I'm not mistaken.

If I'm probscum, why are you not voting me? Who are the scum in the game, only the people attacking you?

[UberNinja]

You realize I was talking to you there, yes?

[UberNinja]

So Nuwen is calling for my head and still trying to push on since the wagon stalled.
UN's chainsawing and saw the light that I'm town. This game is great IMO.

Unless you're implying this post was just a summation of Nuwen's 421... (which I'm not seeing) ...you said it too.

[UberNinja]

Explanation, as requested:

Unvote; Vote: Yosarian2

Yo Parama. Prove yourself.

Prove you're a townie and vote scum.

[UberNinja]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

Yes, it fucking is.

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

"do you really think _________?"
"is that actually your defense?"
"are you actually saying that [insert something I JUST FUCKING SAID]?"

I'm pretty sick and tired of your

[omelette au fromage]

passive aggressive fluff, Yosarian.

|Edited] - spring

[UberNinja]

hey whys chiaro scum?

id appreash it if some1 gave me a quick rundown on that

You're voting Quilford's slot for nonexistent reasons, you might as well make up some shit to vote Chiaro too.

[UberNinja]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

Yes, it fucking is.

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

"do you really think _________?"
"is that actually your defense?"
"are you actually saying that [insert something I JUST FUCKING SAID]?"

I'm pretty sick and tired of your

[omelette au fromage]

passive aggressive fluff, Yosarian.

|Edited] - spring

Lol.

If all I have to do is quote part of your post and ask a simple question to "make you look bad", UN, that probably means it's actually your posts that are making you look scummy, and that all I'm doing is pointing it out.

Yeah, instead of trying to come up with a response that is trying to divine the truth, you're sitting there trying to think of semi-witty stuff to say so people will think "oh yeah, me too!" and you can smugly sit back as you've thrown a gallon of oil on the fire and done literally nothing to help anything.

I'm sick and tired of that [mille-feuille], you [pommes frites hors d'œuvre ratatouille crème brulée pot au feu].

Wow, that was surprisingly therapeutic. I love cursing in french. It's like wiping your ass with silk.

[UberNinja]

Well what do you want me to say about that?

If you say I'm scum for (A, B, C) reasons, and then I say you're town because of (X, Y, Z) reasons, and then I get lynched and flip town, people will know that my reasons were legit. That means my reads live on even after I die.

Whereas if I sit here and try to disprove your case on me (which is not gonna happen btw), people lose the "shos is town" among the garbage that would be me attacking your clearly well-thought-out read on me, and you defending it.

So I'm killing two birds with one stone: I'm giving my read on you based on your analysis of me, and I'm saving everyone else a lot of time.

[UberNinja]

nonono, the two are unrelated to each other. on the one side, I was glad to see you think me as town. on the other side, I'm not glad, because you're ignoring my mountain-high pile of reasons to vote you.

What would be the point to respond to it?

[UberNinja]

If anything, 487 means diddin is more likely to be town.

I can't see the motivation for scum in his spot replacing out, not only because there's practically NO pressure on him for lurking, but because there's tons of possible mislynches and probably plenty to go around for two days or more.

However I can see a townie saying "yeahhh this isn't fun and this game is dragging on and we're probably gonna mislynch" and thinking it's probably for the best to replace out. This could be because he wants to figuratively wash his hands of a terrible mislynch, and/or because he feels like it'll be somewhat his fault if town loses, due to him being exactly worthless so far.

Additionally, a townie would be more likely to realize he was wrong and do what it took for the betterment of the game, whereas a scum would be hopping up and down in excitement at how well his plan was working. The plan to do nothing and still not get lynched, that is.

tl;dr: You're totally wrong, Parama. And then there's what Zar pointed out too...

[UberNinja]

Would vote any of {kanye, Parama, Yos2} Today.

Is kanye really at L-1?
If so, I am expressing my intent to hammer, and asking for a claim.
If not, please let me know so I can put him there as soon as possible.

I really liked Chiaro's replacing-out post. A whoooooole lot.
He shares my vague suspicion of Zar and vague trust of Furc.
I'm unwilling to lynch Pirate Chemist today, based on that.

[UberNinja]

Lol Vi, what the hell?

Vote: kanyeknowsbest

I still much prefer Yos.

[UberNinja]

I didn't read it closely. lol

Sure, you can add "lying" to my repertoire of scummy tricks if you want, but that'd ironically be a lie.
You might as well add "bandwagoning" though, because nobody seems to be taking the bait on Yos.

[UberNinja]

But I'm third...

AND YOU SHOULD BE THE FOURTH

[UberNinja]

Summation of the game for Katsuki:

Quickwagon on shos D1, I unvote because it I just recently won a game as scum that started with a quickhammer on D1, Parama starts acting scummy and we wagon him, shos wagon disintegrates as people go over there instead, YOS IS SCUM, Parama cries foul, people start switching to voting other people, I take flak for being myself, FURCOLOW IS AWESOME, Vi makes statements like "y u no vote Parama hnnnggg", nobody really listens, I keep trying to get people to vote for Yos, and he starts flexing his 2005 and telling people I'm scummy for shit that makes no sense, Nuwen starts saying Quilford is scum for calling her and Yos scum, people wagon Quilford, he replaces out for Elmo TeH AzN, YOS IS SCUM STILL, Chiarosicada has been suspected vaguely by a lot of people since then, CHARTER IS PROBTOWN, kanye keeps throwing shit around to see where it sticks because that's all he's done all game, tunneling on Quilford because he's the major wagon, Nuwen also thinks Quilford's slot is scum with all her poor misguided heart, I keep saying that YOS IS SCUM to everyone but nobody believes me, and currently we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye that seems pretty likely to reveal scum, and then Pirate Chemist replaces Chiarosicada and you replace diddin who lurked a lot. Throughout all this time, Zar hasn't been doing much except being indignantly self-righteous yet strangely under-the-radar, which is why I didn't remember to mention him until now.

Based on my patented "find scum by looking for experienced/weighty players who don't seem to be playing up to snuff" methodology, scum lies in Yos, Vi, and Zar. According to the "scummy people are scum" methodology (which is widely overused, based on it's relative inaccuracy), Chiaro, Parama, and I are scum.

I tend to think it's a mix of the two, but the right mix isn't revealing itself to me yet. Perhaps tomorrow.

Everything else you'll have to read for yourself.

[UberNinja]

And hey, Katsuki, when was the last time you updated your sig? Summer 2011 is long since past.

[UberNinja]

Lol.

According to the "scummy people are scum" methodology (which is widely overused, based on it's relative inaccuracy), Chiaro, Parama, and I are scum.

I really do appreciate the way you keep making the case against yourself here, UberNinja. Saves me a lot of work.

You can keep your useless "witty" comments to yourself; nobody reads them.

[UberNinja]

Vi, you're making me increasingly nervous here. Are you sure you're not scum this game?

I believe that's my line.

Yeah. I was willing to put up with your weird attack on Charter earlier in the game; you might not know his playstyle well enough to know that the way he attacked you is his town play. I was willing to give you some rope with your series of increasingly bizzare and unexplained gut reads that seem to be totally the opposite of everything that makes sense to me. Randomly throwing me in your scumlist for no reason bugs me, I have to admit, but even that I can understand; I know I tend to make some people a little paranoid.

But the point where you pretended someone was at lynch -1 when he was nowhere close, probably in order to trick him into a premature claim, is really pushing you to the end of the "vi is a good player, let's let her run wild for a while and see what happens" slack I was giving you.

Vi did nothing of the sort. I misread the post, and I already admitted as much.

Trying to paint

Vi

as scummy, for something that's already been widely talked about and exposed as a mistake on

others'

parts, either shows that:

a) you're not paying attention, and are just looking for crap reasons to call people scummy (but only the people who disagree with you), or
b) you're scum, and out of malice you are looking for crap reasons to call people scummy (but only the people who disagree with you).

Will somebody

please

lynch this [omelette du fromage] with me. Please.

[UberNinja]

@Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

I'm gonna laugh really hard in endgame if you're scum and just trying to "follow up on your questions" so that I can't use this argument against you again.

Heh.

Still though, carry on. Kanye is scummy as hell and should be grilled at all possible opportunities.

[UberNinja]

You can keep your useless "witty" comments to yourself; nobody reads them.

[UberNinja]

Imagine that, Chiaro's suspects are those that are voting them?

So then what does that make him?

I think it suspicious of him. I think Chiaro is scum.

Yos, Vi said something like
"Lynch - (I have no idea since we never get votecounts)"
Not Lynch - 1

Huh?

Vote: kanyeknowsbest (L-I don't even know because we don't get vote counts often enough)

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn. I saw the "don't even know" part of the post, but I really thought that the line started with L-1...

Ok, probably not a gambit then. Question withdrawn.

LOL this post is so fake it's almost funny.

This train-of-thought shit is completely fabricated.

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.

...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.

LITERALLY NOBODY TYPES THAT WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH

ALGHASJKDHASLDGJKAHSGLAKSFJS

YOU GUYS

[UberNinja]

I'm leaning towards both Uber and Yos being town. Uber for a myriad of terrible reasons, the latest is how he's trying to paint Yos's lack of careful reading as scummy when there's no way Yos can purposefully being pushing this to gain an advantage as scum. And leaning Yos town for the same reason and the "case" on him is quite terrible.

add charter to my town reads for this post

How does this make him town? I think quite the opposite.

Because scum don't want to call people town unless it's buddying or setting them up for something.

They have to keep their options open about who to vote so that they can kill off people who are dangerous to them but at the same time still "suspect" people who are left over. If they have too many town reads they force themselves into a corner. And if all their town reads die it's suspicious because of this exact strategy, so what they have to do is either maintain a steadily "unsure about so-and-so" read on people they want to bring with them to endgame, and hope others lynch their town reads. Which means they have to go against the flow somewhat because they want to pick unpopular town reads, both for the reason that they can say "hey guys, I told you he/she was town" when they flip, but also for the reason I'm trying to point out, which is that they want their town reads to die so they have an excuse to be suspicious of more people who are still alive, thus not pigeonholing themselves into acting in certain ways. Gotta keep your options open.

Therefore, a person with a good number of strong town reads, that they stick to (!), is very likely town.


Really, it's elementary, I'd've thought you'd've known this. No offense, but... gee whiz man, it's obvious.

[UberNinja]

Me, charter, Furcolow, shos, Elmo, and Vi should form a team and vote for people all together.
I don't trust Vi as much as the other three but if we all vote together... great things'll happen.

[UberNinja]

*other three should obviously say other

four

preview edit: why yos?

other preview edit: not shos and elmo? if they vote with the rest of us, I don't give a flying fuck who joins our voting bloc or w/e.

[UberNinja]

Wait that means we shouldn't exclude Yos either. Hmmm

Ok, our terms of agreement should include "you vote with us even if we decide to lynch someone you don't want to, or else you get voted for by us" -- that sounds fair. And scum will be forced to vote the way the town in the bloc want them to, or else they'll be lynched themselves. So scum will effectively be voting for who town tells them to vote for.

Are you in or out furc? I'll obviously never choose to vote for you. And probably not charter.
Letting there be a hive mind instead of all this independent bickering will significantly lessen the chance that scum can steer things the way they want to.

And if we have 6+ members that means that only half can be scum (much less, if we do our job right), so it couldn't really be scum controlled either, no matter who we pick to be in it.

This idea is new and fascinating. I am EAGER TO TRY IT

My nominations are me, you, charter, shos (yes, shos), and Vi

I'll leave off Elmo since you don't seem to want him. But I had a town read on that slot and still do

Shos I don't think will want to be on a team with me, but I have a town read on him so I want him in.

WHAT SAY YOU

[UberNinja]

Why Charter town?

These posts seem town to me:

Parama is town.

Vote Kanye

Why is Parama town? I'm getting a distinctly different feeling, mainly from his shos-wagon hop.
Whether shos is town or scum is irrelevant; that hop in 39 followed by "This is beautiful" was scummy as fuck.

I was joking.

I will admit to not being sure about Shos or Parama right now.
Shos, who is scum and why?
Parama, are you planning on doing anything before Shos is lynched?

This is town because his response to me is short, sweet, and to the point.

He also admits to not being sure on two people, but then goes directly into questioning them in order to get better reads on them.

And what did you get from all your "shos pressure"? He's still flailing as much as ever, but you've dropped all mention of him.

He's genuinely noticing inconsistencies in others' play, not just quoting things and trying to spin them in a scummy way, like Yos.

Alright, Chiaro is scum. That makes Parama probably town. Quilford's replacing out is certainly questionable, but I've seen more town do it lately than scum.

298 sums it up pretty well.

However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him.

He's also been suspicious of Parama for claiming scum, even though he knows Parama would do it as town, but he doesn't say anything about it for a very long time. Then he blames Vi for his suspicion, saying 'well hey, Vi thinks it's scummy, so it must be'.

His change to Parama is scummy. Comes right after getting called out. His reason for voting Parama is terrible.

Unvote, vote Chiaro

He's drawing connections between other players, such as who is town based on who else is scum. He also gives Quilford the benefit of the doubt, which I don't think scum would likely do. The vote on Chiaro and reasons for voting him are also good.

All your posts about Quilford are one liners boiling down to "Quilford is scum" that are forgotten as soon as you read it.

Calling somebody out on bullshit, as I am fond of doing.

I'm leaning towards both Uber and Yos being town. Uber for a myriad of terrible reasons, the latest is how he's trying to paint Yos's lack of careful reading as scummy when there's no way Yos can purposefully being pushing this to gain an advantage as scum. And leaning Yos town for the same reason and the "case" on him is quite terrible.

I've already explained why this post is town-leaning.

[UberNinja]

We'll have to agree to disagree on charter, then.

[UberNinja]

unvote, vote uberninja

At least you're being consistent in your insistence to be useless.

That's about all I can say in your favor at this point.

[UberNinja]

Nothing's changed except Nuwen's vote. shos has been calling me scum for quite a while.

Can you do me a personal favor and read the game? I do my utmost to win games for my team, but too often there's just a lot of idiots, or else the scum knows exactly where to hit them in their weak spot (i.e. Newbie 1206...) and despite my best efforts, things take a turn for the worst.

Please don't be *THAT* person in this game. Make yourself useful, for my sake.

[UberNinja]

LOL this post is so fake it's almost funny.

Pretty sure you're the one person in the game who should understand how easy it was to read Vi's post like that, UN, since you said the exact same thing.

You're so full of...Blanquette de veau...it's unreal. Obviously I'm telling the truth here; and your claim that you somehow don't believe me makes absolutly zero sense, since your response to Vi's post was;

Is kanye really at L-1?
If so, I am expressing my intent to hammer, and asking for a claim.

Really, UN, next time you get a scum role and have to invent fake reasons to suspect someone, I'd strongly recommend you not go with one that's so obviously BS.

Nonononononononononononono. No.

LIES LIES LIES

Here's how it went down, Yosarian.

Vi: L-I don't even know how many...etc
Me: OMG L-1 YES

[Official Vote Count Post]

Me: wtf? it's not L-1. Vi, explain urself
shos: It's an *I* not a 1, stupid
Me: ohhhh, ya mb
You: Vi, you're making me nervous. Sure you're not scum?
Vi: No u lol
---11 more posts---
You: Vi, you pretended someone was at lynch -1 when he was nowhere close, probably in order to trick him into a premature claim, is really pushing you to the end of the "vi is a good player, let's let her run wild for a while and see what happens" slack I was giving you.
Me: Why you trying to paint Vi as scummy for something that is clearly not Vi's fault?
--- moar posts ---
You: ...oh. That says L-I, not L-1. Damn.
--- moar posts ---
You: Uh.... L-1 L-I L-I L-1 L-I L-1 L1-I LI-1 L-1 L-I L-1 L-1 L-I L-I L-1 L-I II1II1I1I1I1I1I1I1I

[UberNinja]

Yosarian, time to answer up:


1. Please tell me how the fuck you missed

these obvious posts

saying that it was

"L-I" and not "L-1". HERP

2. Your "train-of-thought" post complete bullshit; NOBODY says "Wait, I thought it said ... OH! it actually says THIS! hehe u guys, I so dum"
Scum has to pretend they didn't know it all along, so they have to write some crazy shit like this.^ Town just says "oops I made a mistake".

3. You tried to make Vi look scummy EVEN AFTER you "figured it out"... -- "OMG it's pure luck kanye didn't claim! Vi u so scummy" <-- WTF???




I will vote either kanye or Yosarian.
I don't care which.

[UberNinja]

Vi, you think Yos is scum right?

Want to switch from kanye to him?
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

[UberNinja]

I also think the "voting block" is a cheap way of hiding a buddy among the crowd. The supposed "let's force scum to vote with us" can't work without a flip, and also tampers with possible voting analysis. Perfect environment to frame other players.

I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.

Caveat: If UberNinja does for some reason flip scum then the "hiding a buddy" part starts to sound very appealing.

Wait, "if I how could I flip scum? I thought I was "one of your top two town reads"...

you wouldn't let them lynch me, would you?

[UberNinja]

Does anyone have a town read on Nuwen? I am wagering I'm not the only one who thinks she's scum.

Unvote, vote Nuwen

unvote;
vote: nuwen

let's do that alliance thing

You guys I much prefer Yosarian. Vi has also expressed support of that wagon.

I have a semi town read on Nuwen mostly because of "too dumb and obstinate to be scum" but that is quickly wearing thin as she only shows up for a few moments usually, and when she does, she says something so ludicrous that I'm beginning to feel it might just be her strategy: Lurking, and Refuge in Audacity, hand in hand.

Yos is still a capital lynch. Kanye has actually looked slightly townier with his last few posts, but I don't like the way he showed up right after Yosarian mentioned he was gone. He's still my second favorite overall, but Yos is definitely first.

What are your guys' opinions on Quilford/Elmo slot, PirateChemist slot, and Katsuki slot?

[UberNinja]

If I were that ten-shot dayvig UberNinja would be one of the people I would leave alive.

awwwwww <3

I agree though. I'd definitely leave me alive if I were someone else.

Other people left alive would be:
Furcolow
shos
charter
Elmo
and now diddin's slot

Elmo I'm having a harder time justifying keeping alive now though... his continued insistence on being mostly useless really irks me.

My top targets as a dayvig would be:
Yosarian
Kanye
and I don't think I'd be confident enough to shoot anyone else.

Zar's kinda winning me back, and I'm losing faith in Parama.

I can't read Vi for shit but I'd save Vi for last.

[UberNinja]

unvote;
vote: nuwen

let's do that alliance thing

ok lets do this.

LEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOO--- wait a second.. sorry about that.

charter, Vi, shos, Elmo, are you in the alliance or out?

[UberNinja]

so far it's:
me
furc
elmo

I still prefer to vote Yos, you guys. please. please please

Of course I will vote Nuwen but ... Yos beckons to me...

[UberNinja]

I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

[UberNinja]

uberninja please explain how you can possibly have a town read on this kid. a reason other than "well i think the ppl on his wagon are scum," if you will.

Why are you calling him a kid? Do you feel the need to maintain some sort of intellectual high ground?

I do believe I've already explained my town read on Quilford's slot.

[UberNinja]

I would be willing to reconsider my Quil read, Elmo, but the problem is your play has really been just as bad.

"You know, I think you're approaching a point where I would have to back off on my scum read, but I'm going to preclude that by holding this offense over your head."

Haha, fuck yeah. I saw that too.

+1

[UberNinja]

Elmo was trying to defending himself by saying that people were only attacking him for Quilford's play, and I was pointing out that defense doesn't work at all because Elmo's play is just as bad. The slot is actually significantly MORE scummy now then it was before quilford replaced out, and considering how scummy Quilford was, that's really saying something.

No. Just, no.

[UberNinja]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

[UberNinja]

Kanye's votes seem to go against the flow of traffic. He's voting for Parama for RVS, and then when other people vote Parama, he switches to Quilford based on Nuwen's crap-for-brains case. All that buddying with Parama right at the very beginning could be scumbuddies trying to buddy-distance with joke-votes. Parama's self-righteousness doesn't feel anywhere near as genuine as mine or diddin's either. They could be scum together but for now I like a Kanye vote better.

Unvote; Vote: Kanye

Summation of the game for Katsuki:

Quickwagon on shos D1, I unvote because it I just recently won a game as scum that started with a quickhammer on D1, Parama starts acting scummy and we wagon him, shos wagon disintegrates as people go over there instead, YOS IS SCUM, Parama cries foul, people start switching to voting other people, I take flak for being myself, FURCOLOW IS AWESOME, Vi makes statements like "y u no vote Parama hnnnggg", nobody really listens, I keep trying to get people to vote for Yos, and he starts flexing his 2005 and telling people I'm scummy for shit that makes no sense, Nuwen starts saying Quilford is scum for calling her and Yos scum, people wagon Quilford, he replaces out for Elmo TeH AzN, YOS IS SCUM STILL, Chiarosicada has been suspected vaguely by a lot of people since then, CHARTER IS PROBTOWN, kanye keeps throwing shit around to see where it sticks because that's all he's done all game, tunneling on Quilford because he's the major wagon, Nuwen also thinks Quilford's slot is scum with all her poor misguided heart, I keep saying that YOS IS SCUM to everyone but nobody believes me, and currently we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye that seems pretty likely to reveal scum, and then Pirate Chemist replaces Chiarosicada and you replace diddin who lurked a lot. Throughout all this time, Zar hasn't been doing much except being indignantly self-righteous yet strangely under-the-radar, which is why I didn't remember to mention him until now.

Based on my patented "find scum by looking for experienced/weighty players who don't seem to be playing up to snuff" methodology, scum lies in Yos, Vi, and Zar. According to the "scummy people are scum" methodology (which is widely overused, based on it's relative inaccuracy), Chiaro, Parama, and I are scum.

I tend to think it's a mix of the two, but the right mix isn't revealing itself to me yet. Perhaps tomorrow.

Everything else you'll have to read for yourself.

Does anyone have a town read on Nuwen? I am wagering I'm not the only one who thinks she's scum.

Unvote, vote Nuwen

unvote;
vote: nuwen

let's do that alliance thing

You guys I much prefer Yosarian. Vi has also expressed support of that wagon.

I have a semi town read on Nuwen mostly because of "too dumb and obstinate to be scum" but that is quickly wearing thin as she only shows up for a few moments usually, and when she does, she says something so ludicrous that I'm beginning to feel it might just be her strategy: Lurking, and Refuge in Audacity, hand in hand.

Yos is still a capital lynch. Kanye has actually looked slightly townier with his last few posts, but I don't like the way he showed up right after Yosarian mentioned he was gone. He's still my second favorite overall, but Yos is definitely first.

What are your guys' opinions on Quilford/Elmo slot, PirateChemist slot, and Katsuki slot?

If I were that ten-shot dayvig UberNinja would be one of the people I would leave alive.

awwwwww <3

I agree though. I'd definitely leave me alive if I were someone else.

Other people left alive would be:
Furcolow
shos
charter
Elmo
and now diddin's slot

Elmo I'm having a harder time justifying keeping alive now though... his continued insistence on being mostly useless really irks me.

My top targets as a dayvig would be:
Yosarian
Kanye
and I don't think I'd be confident enough to shoot anyone else.

Zar's kinda winning me back, and I'm losing faith in Parama.

I can't read Vi for shit but I'd save Vi for last.

Here are my thoughts on Kanye.

[UberNinja]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

If there's nothing he's done all game that's pro-town, then why are you treating him like confirmed town? Why have you been defending him so hard and trying to get him into your "alliance"?

I tend to think that "X has done nothing town all day" is pretty much the single most damning scumtell that there is; but even if you didn't think that, even if you think he's just null and unreadable, it still doesn't explain your behavior today.

Lol so why didn't you push on diddin's slot then, you [shitty french food] hypocrite?

You're slipping dude.

[UberNinja]

@ninja,
you look like all those big companies trying to fill you up with papers since they know they're wrong, so they try to tire you out.
in the post you gave me about kanye - last two quotes are completely irrelevant; there is no case there, they just say that you think kanye is scum. the first - that's terrible reasoning for a lynch in my opinion. too little too late. the second - the only reference to kanye is 'we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye'.

in other words, you have no case, you're full of omlettes.
want to see how a case looks like, check out my case on you, lol.

You're missing the part where cases are required to lynch scummy people.
You of all people should realize that from Page 1.

On the other hand; you have made a case on me, Yos has made a case on me... and yet I'm still alive.

[UberNinja]

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You're saying "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy"

I think you have had too much vodka broseph

[UberNinja]

I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

Please rephrase it; thanks.

[UberNinja]

I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.

I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with. If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.

Simple mathematics. It's elementary my dear Watson.

6 player alliance has MAX 2 or 3 scum in it, and with my solidarity of reads on furcolow, shos, and charter, and knowing that I myself am town, that's four guaranteed townies. I could pick two randoms and even if they are both scum, it's still good because if they want to stay alive, they have to vote their buddies if we decide they are going to lynch their buddies.

Unite and Divide and Conquer bro.

It's the new thing.

[UberNinja]

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

[UberNinja]

I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

Please rephrase it; thanks.

you are trying to create a town alliance. it makes sense to limit such an alliance to players you have a strong town read on so as to keep scum out of it, thats the point. yet on the same page you are saying that you want vi in the alliance you are expressing doubts about his townness. do you see where one might take issue with this?

Yes.

But forcing players who MIGHT be scum to join the alliance if they wish to appear pro town (even if only for the moment) would effectively force them to vote the way the other five or so townies want to vote, instead of trying to subversively dissent and be disruptive to good pro-town wagons so that they never come to fruition. Do you see my side of it too?

Of course you don't want to bring people into the alliance that you suspect the most, because then they won't want to vote for themselves and obviously that will be bad publicity and people will lose faith in the righteous anger and force of will of the alliance, so that'd be a downside sure. But if their scumbuddy is in the alliance and is forced to vote for them, what's the beef?

The alliance is not locked. Anyone can join or be kicked out at any time. This helps to keep the integrity intact and growing.

Lets do this. Based on your improved behavior, you are welcome to join the alliance, which currently consists of:

Me
Furcolow
Elmo

I don't recall if Vi ever explicitly stated the desire or intent to join.

[UberNinja]

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

So, this is essentially a giant paragraph of fluff essentially asking what kanye already asked me earlier this page, and with added "threats" if I answer this post with what I've already answered kanye with...

Oh hey what about that giant post of yours declaring diddin slot as town for replacing out as well hmm?

I am saying that if you sit there and willfully do nothing based on someone's town read on you, then that person's town read is going to flip back and bite you in the ass when it becomes a scum read.

Also, hi how are ya

[UberNinja]

that's exactly my point. you don't have a case on kanye. therefore your required item to lynch scummy kanye does not exist, you're just blabbering.

also, people have a case on you, yes. but you do such an amazing job redirecting attention that others just don't read those cases.

If there are votes going down on kanye, and other people recognize he's scummy too, then how is it "just blabbering"? If I skip the case-making part because I assume other people are seeing the same things I am (and they are), then how is it "just blabbering"? Did you see kanye ever make a case on Quilford? Did you see Nuwen ever do anything except tunnel on one or two slots and be generally useless? Then we've got Elmo, diddin and Katsuki: the very definition of useless.
With that said, I'm not too jazzed about a kanye lynch any more, so

Unvote

.

How do you know people haven't read the cases on me? Do you really think people who play mafia for a living (lol) would be dumb enough to completely ignore cases on scummy people just because the scummy person is also making posts? You're assuming a couple of things that just don't work in practice, namely that a) people have to make airtight cases to lynch scum (which is wrong because not too many things in mafia are black and white, which is why it requires some level of skill and strategy to play), and also b) that if a person with a case made against them is posting at all, that everyone will ignore the case. Which is simply not true.

Maybe they did read your case. Maybe they did read Yos' case. Maybe they just decided the cases weren't good, or determined independently that I'm town regardless of the cases made against me. Just because a case is made against someone doesn't make them scum. Duh.

Your attitude and insistence upon proper "case decorum" makes me think you're town, however.

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You're saying "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy"

I think you have had too much vodka broseph

no, I am not protecting kanye here. in case you didn't see, I PROVIDED a case against him. so yes I want him lynched. BUT, what I'm doing here is discreditting you; presenting the bullcrap you give the world in shiny light for everyone to see.

Let me see if I understand: You want me lynched, and you independently want kanye lynched. And you think we're scum together because I have not provided a case on him but I was voting him anyway? Because that's literally the only thing that makes sense.

Everybody can see "the bullcrap I give the world" anyway, I'm not trying to hide things I say. You think you're doing everyone a big favor with your "shiny light", but it's really just a exercise in futility. Redundantly pointing out the obvious (i.e. all your case and Yos's case did) isn't exactly helpful. See my reply above to why people could be choosing not to respond to your cases.

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum :/

I swear to fuck this is what everyone seems to be saying in this game...

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

bolded

: oh boy, wasn't he your scumread? oh but you didn't have a case on him...true dat..so you change your mind. obviously.

Italicized

: agreed.

Yeah he was, but he's been acting townier. It's not bad to reverse your read on someone when presented with new information.

[UberNinja]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

If there's nothing he's done all game that's pro-town, then why are you treating him like confirmed town? Why have you been defending him so hard and trying to get him into your "alliance"?

I tend to think that "X has done nothing town all day" is pretty much the single most damning scumtell that there is; but even if you didn't think that, even if you think he's just null and unreadable, it still doesn't explain your behavior today.

Lol so why didn't you push on diddin's slot then, you [shitty french food] hypocrite?

You're slipping dude.

Note to everyone: UnberNinja refuses to answer a simple question. I asked him why he was defending Elmo so hard, if even he doesn't think Elmo's "done anything town", and he tries to change the subject over to diddin. Also note that he tries to continue the alliance with Elmo again in his very next post.

To answer your question, diddin was a lurker, in that he didn't post much before he replaced out and i might have voted for him if I didn't have a better suspect. Of course, in this game, I had several who were much scummier. Lynching lurkers is fine, but lynching scum is clearly better. And there is a difference between "someone who doens't post much" and "someone who posts but doesn't say anything". The second (Elmo) is much scummier then the first.

I think he's town because gut.

[UberNinja]

Unfortunately I have weak town reads on both Katsuki and Nuwen.
I have strong-ish town reads on charter, furcolow, Elmo, and shos.
Parama did what I think is a town tell, so I don't want to lynch him.
kanye has been acting townier of late so I don't want to lynch him.
This leaves Yos, Zar, Vi, and Pirate Chemist. Don't wanna lynch Vi.
Zar gives me the heebie jeebies, & Pirate Chemist has been scarce.
I will lynch either of those two, but my preferred lynch is Yosarian.
So I'll take my own vote and Vi's vote and

Doublevote: Yosarian

[UberNinja]

Day 1 votecount 11 (fake)

(4) UberNinja :

shos

, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Zar

(2) Yosarian2 :

UberNinja

,

Vi

(2) Nuwen :

charter

,

Elmo teh AzN

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama

(1) shos :

Katsuki

(1) Katsuki :

Furcolow

Not voting (0):

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Light Blue is

Alliance

.
Blue is

Invited Alliance

/ players with alliance-proxied votes (I'm counting Vi's proxy vote )

Let's consolidate.

- Furcolow, I like the gumption to vote Katsuki but I have a small town read + I'd rather give a little more chance to contribute.
- I don't expect shos to switch from my wagon, but he's still invited to the Alliance when he sees the light.
- charter and Elmo, I much prefer Yos, + I have a feeling Nuwen is just stupid, not scum. No offense. At least, not too much intended.
- kanye, you are invited too. If you want to join, please vote Yos with us.

Nuwen feels like a compromise lynch. I don't really suspect her.
Katsuki feels like a compromise lynch so we can get rid of a lurkslot.

Zar legitimately raises my hackles and Vi I can't read for shit yet.

But Yos seems to be the best bet. Vote Yos 2012

[UberNinja]

Do you think Pirate Chemist is worth voting, shos? Yes or no.

[UberNinja]

I specifically wanted a fucking yes or no, and specifically fucking asked for it.

[UberNinja]

Day 1 votecount 11

(3) Nuwen :

charter, Elmo teh AzN, Nuwen,

(2) UberNinja :

shos, Zar,

(1) kanyeknowsbest

: Vi,

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest,

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist,

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama,

(1) shos :

Katsuki,

(1) Zar:

Furcolow,

(1) Yosarian2 :

UberNinja

Not voting (0):

<3

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

This seems wrong.

Where is Yos? Why is Nuwen voting herself? etc

[Fixed] - spring

[UberNinja]

Nuwen is talking crazy talk but I don't think she's scum...Somebody convince me.

[UberNinja]

Pirate posting in other games and lurking his pants off in this one. Very obvious this guy is scum.

Unvote; Vote: Pirate Chemist

[UberNinja]

I

do

see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

the intent behind this is nuwen doing something similar to this as scum in a game i just played with her.

Lynx plz

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3948456 specifically #645 to 647. the whole mechanic aspect and messaging the mod part and being public about it reminded me of that. on rereading it its not as similar as i thought but i was still reminded of it. regardless, nuwens response is the one that i would have expected spring to give and im not sure where i stand on this now.

Not convinced yet, but at the very least this is a step in the right direction for

you

.

[UberNinja]

Vi, I expect better of you if you're town. If any of the above flip scum I really don't have a choice but to turn onto you next; your reads on UN are unexplained and short, non-committal style. You've avoided saying more than a few words like "gut" about his player slot.

And if UberNinja flips scum then I will deal with that when it happens.
UberNinja is playing proactively and without giving a frick about who cares, which is Towntastic.
Or for lack of a more concise way of putting it, GUT! >:-D

In the meantime I can paraphrase the core of your argument as "he's scum because he has the leading wagon because he's scum".

The wagon on Yos is crapscum flailing about. While I can't read Yos himself this early in the game

I dunno, it seems pretty easy to me.~

---

Nuwen is once again resorting to bullying now that her name has come up. Trying to scare people into doing what she wants with the threat of "blacklisting" (I'm sure we're all terrified) you if you don't do what she wants.

Oh I'm not thrilled. And I think she could fake what I'm hesitant on her about, namely going out of her way with the Hebrew bit. But I don't immediately see a scum motive for doing so.

I

do

see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

Why the fuck am I getting a "Nuwen + Vi = scum" vibe from this post.

why

[UberNinja]

Why the fuck am I getting a "Nuwen + Vi = scum" vibe from this post.

why

I don't know, why is Viscum voting Nuwenscum as a counterwagon to UberNinjaevidentlyTown?

You do have a point.

[UberNinja]

Screw it. I continually fail to see how Yosarian can have a town read on Nuwen. It either boils down to they are scumbuddies, or Yos is aiming for townpoints because Nuwen is town.

Either way, I am pretty sure he can see the difference between what Nuwen said "Vote UN or you're blacklisted" and what he paraphrased.

Unvote, Vote Yosarian

Screw it. I continually fail to see how Yosarian can have a town read on Nuwen. It either boils down to they are scumbuddies, or Yos is aiming for townpoints because Nuwen is town.

Either way, I am pretty sure he can see the difference between what Nuwen said "Vote UN or you're blacklisted" and what he paraphrased.

Unvote, Vote Yosarian

In all fairness, people have been failing to see how I have any read on anyone all Day.
But I think it's more interesting that I could paraphrase Yos2 761 with "I don't have anything to say so I'm going to make a nice-looking throwaway post that upholds the status quo without actually saying anything".

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

Unvote: Nuwen
Vote: Yosarian2

(L-5)

Yesssssssssss

oh god yes *orgasm*

Unvote; Vote: Yosarian2

[UberNinja]

There is no spoon.

I stole the spoon, the sppoon told me you were scum.

You misspelled spoon. Or was that a glitch in the matrix? Now both of you vote Yosarian2 and we can all go home happy.

[UberNinja]

unvote;
vote: Vi

third time's a charm

Furc you are breaking my heart.

[UberNinja]

ELMO FURCOLOW KATSUKI PARAMA GET OVER HERE

[UberNinja]

im not bwing yos is town telling this makes UN scummy in my eyes

furc i have been screaming yos is scum all game. of course i'm gonna join a bw on him lol

get your ass over here!! <3

[UberNinja]

Hmmmm, interesting... *strokes beardless chin*

Parama comes out of thi sexchange looking the worse imo. Not only because of what Yos mentioned but also his "see look how bad my typing is because of this d1" lament, even though he's been doing that the entire fucking game.

No, seriously, the entire fucking game.

[UberNinja]

Unabashed Uncensored Unleashed Unbridled Unrated Conjecture Time!

I am going back through to ISO all of these players (both simultaneously) and see what I can see. I'm not going to do 3 at once because that's stupid. But I can draw connections well enough based on 2 players, so here are the possible scum pairs, and I will give my thoughts on each along with the likelihood, when I get the chance.

Spoiler: Possible scum pairings

shos
Vi

shos
diddin/Katsuki

shos
QuilmoTeHAzN

shos
Pirate Chiermosticada

shos
Yosarian2

shos
Parama

shos
Nuwen

shos
Zar

shos
charter

shos
kanyeknowsbest

shos
Furcolow

Vi
diddin/Katsuki

Vi
QuilmoTeHAzN

Vi
Pirate Chiermosticada

Vi
Yosarian2

Vi
Parama

Vi
Nuwen

Vi
Zar

Vi
charter

Vi
kanyeknowsbest

Vi
Furcolow

diddin/Katsuki
QuilmoTeHAzN

diddin/Katsuki
Pirate Chiermosticada

diddin/Katsuki
Yosarian2

diddin/Katsuki
Parama

diddin/Katsuki
Nuwen

diddin/Katsuki
Zar

diddin/Katsuki
charter

diddin/Katsuki
kanyeknowsbest

diddin/Katsuki
Furcolow

QuilmoTeHAzN
Pirate Chiermosticada

QuilmoTeHAzN
Yosarian2

QuilmoTeHAzN
Parama

QuilmoTeHAzN
Nuwen

QuilmoTeHAzN
Zar

QuilmoTeHAzN
charter

QuilmoTeHAzN
kanyeknowsbest

QuilmoTeHAzN
Furcolow

Pirate Chiermosticada
Yosarian2

Pirate Chiermosticada
Parama

Pirate Chiermosticada
Nuwen

Pirate Chiermosticada
Zar

Pirate Chiermosticada
charter

Pirate Chiermosticada
kanyeknowsbest

Pirate Chiermosticada
Furcolow

Yosarian2
Parama

Yosarian2
Nuwen

Yosarian2
Zar

Yosarian2
charter

Yosarian2
kanyeknowsbest

Yosarian2
Furcolow

Parama
Nuwen

Parama
Zar

Parama
charter

Parama
kanyeknowsbest

Parama
Furcolow

Nuwen
Zar

Nuwen
charter

Nuwen
kanyeknowsbest

Nuwen
Furcolow

Zar
charter

Zar
kanyeknowsbest

Zar
Furcolow

charter
kanyeknowsbest

charter
Furcolow

kanyeknowsbest
Furcolow

Everyone else feel free to comment on this as well, or make your own.
I've left myself out of this list as I know I'm not scum, but if you want to add me in your own, be my guest.
It'll be more material for me to analyze.

[UberNinja]

also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.

Scum enough not to join any other wagon?

i really want him lynched, but i dont think its going to happen today. i dont like the un wagon or the yos wagon. id settle for pirate but theres not really anyone else i really want to lynch. ive been tunneling hard as fuck so im going to reread and ignore him and see if anyone else grabs my attention.

ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking. kanye is town.

[UberNinja]

Complete:

Spoiler: shos

shos / Vi - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / diddin/Katsuki - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / QuilmoTeHAzN - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Pirate Chiermosticada - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Yosarian2 - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Parama - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Nuwen - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Zar - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / charter - I think shos and charter are both town, so no.
shos / kanyeknowsbest - I think shos and kanye are both town, so no.
shos / Furcolow - I think shos and Furcolow are both town, so no.

Spoiler: Vi (scum)

Vi / diddin/Katsuki - diddin never mentioned Vi once. Katsuki never says anything substantive about Vi. But neither of those are a surprise.
Vi makes some statements about Katsuki that exhibits vague annoyance, and tries to vaguely paint him as scummy,

but

... Vi never mentions diddin once. Now that IS a surprise.
I doubt they're scum together, but it's vaguely possible.
I too am pretty annoyed at the 99,2% Katsuki fluff, especially in the aftermath of diddin being 100% useless.

Vi / QuilmoTeHAzN - In post 268 Vi chides Quil for being stupid. Reading my posts 289 and 304 reminds me greatly of why I think Quilford is town and why I have always suspected Vi of being scum.
Vi post 322 says "kanye is probscum regardless of Quilford's alignment" and doesn't "feel like taking the Quilbait atm".
Vi points out here and here and here that Quilford has replaced out as scummy town before.
I don't particularly think these slots are scum together, all things considered. I could be wrong but I don't get any feeling of any level of collusion from their posts.

Vi / Pirate Chiermosticada - Very possible

-The only time Chiaro mentioned Vi was in his replacing out post, saying he was "null, leaning scum" on Vi. That's pretty surreptitious distancing there buddy... NOT! (borat voice)
-Vi doesn't mention Chiaro until post 270, when replying to my post that says "you think Parama/Chiaro are scum, but not shos?" and Vi replies "Basically."
-After that, Vi won't switch to a Chiaro wagon in 306 because it's not a Parama wagon.
-Then, suddenly in 337, Vi seems willing to switch to a Chiaro wagon, but still doesn't do it.
-When it appears a Chiaro wagon is inevitable, Vi manages to switch to the wagon in a not-too-suspicious position (the L-3 vote), but gives absolutely no reason why Chiaro is scummy.
-Only after shos asks for a case does Vi say somthing about Chiaro in 481: "Chiarosicada has been largely passive and lurky up until now. All the scummy Townies can argue each other in a circle all Day long, and if the scum can skirt by along the side, so be it."
-After Chiaro replaces out, Vi unvotes in 502, saying "Unvote: Chiarosicada - This vote has served its purpose."
-In response to Parama saying "Pirate's still scum", Vi replies in 756: "I have no idea how you do this. Please teach me."
-All Pirate Chemist has ever said about Vi is "Vi is probably town".
-In response to Katsuki attacking Pirate Chemist, Vi points out in 794: "*lowest-content poster in the game - *replaces even-lower content poster - *tries to push policy lynch off on one of two other contenders for lowest-content posters" in an ad hominem attack against Katsuki that doesn't seem out of place because of how bad Katsuki has been playing. But in this context, it looks terrible because the only time Vi has ever attacked the Chiaro slot was when it was under at least three votes of pressure already (with Vi being the fourth vote), and even then didn't give any reasons for voting until shos asked for them. After that, the chainsaw attack against Katsuki and the sarcastic response to Parama don't feel all that great, especially since Vi hasn't said anything about changing opinions on the slot. The only indication is "the vote has served its purpose", and that's hardly enough to base any assumption of an opinion on.

Vi is very likely scum based on this. Is Chiaro's slot scum too? Probably, but not worth lynching first over Vi.

Vi is also doing another one of my favorite tactics: White knight a scummy townie who you think might be lynched, not just for the "I told you so" factor if they ARE lynched, but if they stay alive they may buddy back to you and never suspect you. This applies to both me (Vi has continually stated a town read on me) and Quilford (Vi pointed out at least three times, including a link to the game, that Quilford has replaced out as scummy town before). So there's that too, on top of everything else.

Vi / Yosarian2 - Ehhh, not seeing it. Vi has been trying too hard to make Yosarian look bad recently, probably hoping that I'll help out. I can't say it's unattractive to me, as Yos is one of the people I'd least like left alive if he's scum. However, I can't overlook that I have hard evidence of Vi being really scummy compared to the Chiaro slot, and I don't think Vi would distance from the Yos slot like that if they were scum together. However, their polar opposite opinions on me could be a farce, and it's possible they could be yukking it up that people are believing it; but I'm more convinced of Vi-scum than Yos-scum at this point (yeah, strange, I know), and aside from being inherently suspicious of both of them due to knowing they are "top-caliber players", I don't have much else to pin them together. Edit: Actually, after further reading, I'm even more convinced that they are not scum together. Which means Vi is acting with other accomplices.

Vi / Parama - Probably not scum together. Vi has been pushing for Parama's lynch all day, and Parama hasn't been too nice to Vi either. Could it be distancing/bussing? Yeah, it probably could be, but I'm not very keen on them being scum together at this point.

Vi / Nuwen - Vi is "ambivalent" on Nuwen in 618. Says Nuwen is acting like scum in post 707, and votes her. Vi reacts to my post saying that her and Nuwen could be scum together with veiled contempt, asking "why is Viscum voting Nuwenscum as a counterwagon to UberNinjaevidentlyTown?" In hindsight, that looks like both an admonishment to me that I shouldn't think Vi is scum, attached to some more buddying. Other than that, the point makes sense. But it makes sense for both town and scum, especially given the "buddy up to a townie who's pretty scummy" tactic I described earlier.

Vi / Zar - They haven't said enough about each other for me to decide. I am independently suspicious of both of them.

Vi / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

Vi / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

Vi / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Incomplete:

Spoiler: diddin/Katsuki

diddin/Katsuki / QuilmoTeHAzN -
diddin/Katsuki / Pirate Chiermosticada -
diddin/Katsuki / Yosarian2 -
diddin/Katsuki / Parama -
diddin/Katsuki / Nuwen -
diddin/Katsuki / Zar -
diddin/Katsuki / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
diddin/Katsuki / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
diddin/Katsuki / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: QuilmoTeHAzN

QuilmoTeHAzN / Pirate Chiermosticada -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Yosarian2 -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Parama -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Nuwen -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Zar -
QuilmoTeHAzN / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
QuilmoTeHAzN / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
QuilmoTeHAzN / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Pirate Chiermosticada

Pirate Chiermosticada / Yosarian2 -
Pirate Chiermosticada / Parama -
Pirate Chiermosticada / Nuwen -
Pirate Chiermosticada / Zar -
Pirate Chiermosticada / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Pirate Chiermosticada / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Pirate Chiermosticada / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Yosarian2

Yosarian2 / Parama -
Yosarian2 / Nuwen -
Yosarian2 / Zar -
Yosarian2 / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Yosarian2 / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Yosarian2 / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Parama

Parama / Nuwen -
Parama / Zar -
Parama / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Parama / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Parama / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Nuwen

Nuwen / Zar -
Nuwen / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Nuwen / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Nuwen / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Zar

Zar / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Zar / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Zar / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: charter

charter / kanyeknowsbest - I think charter and kanye are both town, so no.
charter / Furcolow - I think charter and Furcolow are both town, so no.

Spoiler: kanyeknowsbest

kanyeknowsbest / Furcolow -

[UberNinja]

After I finished with Vi, I realized just how much work this would be.

But looking at Vi in comparison with other players was interesting enough.

Unvote; Vote: Vi

[UberNinja]

I'll try to do everyone else soon.

[UberNinja]

And so the town thing to do is totally to get me lynched before I can finish giving my reads, right?

I am gonna lol if town loses this game. This is an exact repeat of Mini 1296. People throwing their weight around, being self-righteous, and in general paying no attention to who scum was.

A quote from the mod of that game, in the dead thread: "UberNinja is impressing me with his reads but nobody is listening to him."

[UberNinja]

So you're not sure I'm scum then, but still making a show with "Confirm votes" and trying to get others to vote me, and giving REAL scum an excuse to vote for me? (see Zar's post 898 where it's entirely possible he could blame that vote on just listening to your argument)

Also, nobody has responded to the entirely real and accurate points I've brought against Vi, most of which have no hint of confirmation bias.

What's the harm in letting me finish? If I flip scum, you can entirely disregard my reads as WIFOM or buddying or distancing or whatever the hell you want. But if I'm town, you'll know they're legit.

[UberNinja]

On the other hand, scum has a perfectly good reason not to want me to finish.

[UberNinja]

The Day doesn't end for another four days. I don't think I'm asking too much to be left alive at least until I can finish giving my reads.

[UberNinja]

Then I will expect you to shut up and let the smart people talk when I flip town.

[UberNinja]

And so the town thing to do is totally to get me lynched before I can finish giving my reads, right?

Textbook scum stalling tactic #3.

I am gonna lol if town loses this game.

Textbook scum appeal to emotion technique #1.

This is an exact repeat of Mini 1296. People throwing their weight around, being self-righteous, and in general paying no attention to who scum was.

A quote from the mod of that game, in the dead thread: "UberNinja is impressing me with his reads but nobody is listening to him."

Textbook scum appeal to emotion technique #2.

Pro-tip: Maybe it's time to get a new fucking textbook. (One that hmmm idk... works?)

Are you

really

saying that you can't tell I'm town?

If so, you're terrible.

[UberNinja]

I don't feel comfortable lynching Vi this early, UN

Try double-ISOing Vi and Chiaro. Maybe that'll help you feel a little more comfy with it.

Do you believe Yosarian's really as idiotic as he's making out?

[UberNinja]

most townie reads of mine: Yos2, Vi, Nuwen. not necessarily in that order.

I'm having trouble not bursting out laughing right now.

[UberNinja]

I don't feel comfortable lynching Vi this early, UN

Try double-ISOing Vi and Chiaro. Maybe that'll help you feel a little more comfy with it.

Do you believe Yosarian's really as idiotic as he's making out?

He's faking it.

Fine I'll take him over Vi if that's the only compromise available but... I really really really prefer Vi.

Which is funny because I really preferred Yos earlier today but... hey re-reads do that.

[UberNinja]

Dammit Furcolow. I don't think I'm wrong about Vi. Did you actually read anything other than my vote? It's plain as day.

And where the hell did the Chiaro / Pirate Chemist lynch vaporize to? That one needs to be brought back too after I die (if I die).

[UberNinja]

most townie reads of mine: Yos2, Vi, Nuwen. not necessarily in that order.

I'm having trouble not bursting out laughing right now.

I actually believe shos is misguided town

Well, that's a given. shos hasn't been on my scum list for a long, long time now.

[UberNinja]

crap, I had a post and chrome crashed

I remember asking Vi what those tells were - the Amished and the ellitell. and stuff. I also remember agreeing much with Yos.

you do realize you can click 'restore' when chrome reopens right?

that's what that feature is there for. now if it was IE on the other hand, you're shit outta luck

[UberNinja]

Seriously, Pirate scum? I'm thinking it more and more as time goes on. He's been plenty active in this other game, but has somehow failed to rear his ugly head here. This falls right in with what Vi just said about "posting everywhere but the game where you're scum".

That makes sense to me on a personal level too, because I've done it.

And I'm gonna try to finish my thing. Ugh it's going to take forever and I probably won't finish it all today.

[UberNinja]

Already Completed:

Spoiler: shos

shos / Vi - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / diddin/Katsuki - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / QuilmoTeHAzN - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Pirate Chiermosticada - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Yosarian2 - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Parama - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Nuwen - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Zar - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / charter - I think shos and charter are both town, so no.
shos / kanyeknowsbest - I think shos and kanye are both town, so no.
shos / Furcolow - I think shos and Furcolow are both town, so no.

Spoiler: Vi (scum)

Vi / diddin/Katsuki - diddin never mentioned Vi once. Katsuki never says anything substantive about Vi. But neither of those are a surprise.
Vi makes some statements about Katsuki that exhibits vague annoyance, and tries to vaguely paint him as scummy,

but

... Vi never mentions diddin once. Now that IS a surprise.
I doubt they're scum together, but it's vaguely possible.
I too am pretty annoyed at the 99,2% Katsuki fluff, especially in the aftermath of diddin being 100% useless.

Vi / QuilmoTeHAzN - In post 268 Vi chides Quil for being stupid. Reading my posts 289 and 304 reminds me greatly of why I think Quilford is town and why I have always suspected Vi of being scum.
Vi post 322 says "kanye is probscum regardless of Quilford's alignment" and doesn't "feel like taking the Quilbait atm".
Vi points out here and here and here that Quilford has replaced out as scummy town before.
I don't particularly think these slots are scum together, all things considered. I could be wrong but I don't get any feeling of any level of collusion from their posts.

Vi / Pirate Chiermosticada - Very possible

-The only time Chiaro mentioned Vi was in his replacing out post, saying he was "null, leaning scum" on Vi. That's pretty surreptitious distancing there buddy... NOT! (borat voice)
-Vi doesn't mention Chiaro until post 270, when replying to my post that says "you think Parama/Chiaro are scum, but not shos?" and Vi replies "Basically."
-After that, Vi won't switch to a Chiaro wagon in 306 because it's not a Parama wagon.
-Then, suddenly in 337, Vi seems willing to switch to a Chiaro wagon, but still doesn't do it.
-When it appears a Chiaro wagon is inevitable, Vi manages to switch to the wagon in a not-too-suspicious position (the L-3 vote), but gives absolutely no reason why Chiaro is scummy.
-Only after shos asks for a case does Vi say somthing about Chiaro in 481: "Chiarosicada has been largely passive and lurky up until now. All the scummy Townies can argue each other in a circle all Day long, and if the scum can skirt by along the side, so be it."
-After Chiaro replaces out, Vi unvotes in 502, saying "Unvote: Chiarosicada - This vote has served its purpose."
-In response to Parama saying "Pirate's still scum", Vi replies in 756: "I have no idea how you do this. Please teach me."
-All Pirate Chemist has ever said about Vi is "Vi is probably town".
-In response to Katsuki attacking Pirate Chemist, Vi points out in 794: "*lowest-content poster in the game - *replaces even-lower content poster - *tries to push policy lynch off on one of two other contenders for lowest-content posters" in an ad hominem attack against Katsuki that doesn't seem out of place because of how bad Katsuki has been playing. But in this context, it looks terrible because the only time Vi has ever attacked the Chiaro slot was when it was under at least three votes of pressure already (with Vi being the fourth vote), and even then didn't give any reasons for voting until shos asked for them. After that, the chainsaw attack against Katsuki and the sarcastic response to Parama don't feel all that great, especially since Vi hasn't said anything about changing opinions on the slot. The only indication is "the vote has served its purpose", and that's hardly enough to base any assumption of an opinion on.

Vi is very likely scum based on this. Is Chiaro's slot scum too? Probably, but not worth lynching first over Vi.

Vi is also doing another one of my favorite tactics: White knight a scummy townie who you think might be lynched, not just for the "I told you so" factor if they ARE lynched, but if they stay alive they may buddy back to you and never suspect you. This applies to both me (Vi has continually stated a town read on me) and Quilford (Vi pointed out at least three times, including a link to the game, that Quilford has replaced out as scummy town before). So there's that too, on top of everything else.

Vi / Yosarian2 - Ehhh, not seeing it. Vi has been trying too hard to make Yosarian look bad recently, probably hoping that I'll help out. I can't say it's unattractive to me, as Yos is one of the people I'd least like left alive if he's scum. However, I can't overlook that I have hard evidence of Vi being really scummy compared to the Chiaro slot, and I don't think Vi would distance from the Yos slot like that if they were scum together. However, their polar opposite opinions on me could be a farce, and it's possible they could be yukking it up that people are believing it; but I'm more convinced of Vi-scum than Yos-scum at this point (yeah, strange, I know), and aside from being inherently suspicious of both of them due to knowing they are "top-caliber players", I don't have much else to pin them together. Edit: Actually, after further reading, I'm even more convinced that they are not scum together. Which means Vi is acting with other accomplices.

Vi / Parama - Probably not scum together. Vi has been pushing for Parama's lynch all day, and Parama hasn't been too nice to Vi either. Could it be distancing/bussing? Yeah, it probably could be, but I'm not very keen on them being scum together at this point.

Vi / Nuwen - Vi is "ambivalent" on Nuwen in 618. Says Nuwen is acting like scum in post 707, and votes her. Vi reacts to my post saying that her and Nuwen could be scum together with veiled contempt, asking "why is Viscum voting Nuwenscum as a counterwagon to UberNinjaevidentlyTown?" In hindsight, that looks like both an admonishment to me that I shouldn't think Vi is scum, attached to some more buddying. Other than that, the point makes sense. But it makes sense for both town and scum, especially given the "buddy up to a townie who's pretty scummy" tactic I described earlier.

Vi / Zar - They haven't said enough about each other for me to decide. I am independently suspicious of both of them.

Vi / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

Vi / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

Vi / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Newly Completed:

Spoiler: diddin/Katsuki

diddin/Katsuki / QuilmoTeHAzN - Not enough content from diddin or Katsuki regarding Quilford's slot to make any connection here.

diddin/Katsuki / Pirate Chiermosticada - diddin said Chiaro was a good lynch in 351. Katsuki seems to be a bit defensive of Chiaro in 537. Says he needs replacing in 823. In 498, Chiaro's reads list says "not sure" about diddin/Katsuki. No other mentions of the diddin/Katsuki slot whatsoever.

diddin/Katsuki / Yosarian2 - Not enough content about Yos from the two lurkers, but Yos says diddin was a lurker, and that Kats is null. Yawn.

diddin/Katsuki / Parama - Parama calls diddin scum in 354, but votes Chiaro. Calls diddin scum again in 488. Only fluff about Katsuki. diddin/Katsuki never say anything alignment indicative about Parama. Yawn again.

diddin/Katsuki / Nuwen - diddin & Katsuki don't mention Nuwen at all, and all Nuwen says about that slot is that wagons on Katsuki or Nuwen (herself) are scum-initiated, in 709. In other words, a slight defense of the slot.

diddin/Katsuki / Zar - The only mention on either side is Zar saying he'd consider Katsuki a compromise lynch, in 862.

diddin/Katsuki / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

diddin/Katsuki / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

diddin/Katsuki / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Incomplete:

Spoiler: QuilmoTeHAzN

QuilmoTeHAzN / Pirate Chiermosticada -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Yosarian2 -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Parama -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Nuwen -
QuilmoTeHAzN / Zar -
QuilmoTeHAzN / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
QuilmoTeHAzN / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
QuilmoTeHAzN / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Pirate Chiermosticada

Pirate Chiermosticada / Yosarian2 -
Pirate Chiermosticada / Parama -
Pirate Chiermosticada / Nuwen -
Pirate Chiermosticada / Zar -
Pirate Chiermosticada / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Pirate Chiermosticada / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Pirate Chiermosticada / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Yosarian2

Yosarian2 / Parama -
Yosarian2 / Nuwen -
Yosarian2 / Zar -
Yosarian2 / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Yosarian2 / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Yosarian2 / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Parama

Parama / Nuwen -
Parama / Zar -
Parama / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Parama / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Parama / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Nuwen

Nuwen / Zar -
Nuwen / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Nuwen / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Nuwen / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Zar

Zar / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Zar / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Zar / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: charter

charter / kanyeknowsbest - I think charter and kanye are both town, so no.
charter / Furcolow - I think charter and Furcolow are both town, so no.

Spoiler: kanyeknowsbest

kanyeknowsbest / Furcolow -

I got sidetracked again, so all you get today is diddin.

[UberNinja]

crap, I had a post and chrome crashed

I remember asking Vi what those tells were - the Amished and the ellitell. and stuff. I also remember agreeing much with Yos.

you do realize you can click 'restore' when chrome reopens right?

that's what that feature is there for. now if it was IE on the other hand, you're shit outta luck

that restores your tabs, not what you wrote in the comment box lol

UN, I'll read the newly completed tomorrow

In my experience, it restores the entire browser state, including pages you were on, reference links you were anchored to, and/or text in boxes. I could be wrong but you can test it out by writing a short post, copy/pasting it so you don't lose it, then hitting Ctrl Alt Delete and force closing the chrome.exe processes. Then restart chrome and hit restore.

[UberNinja]

As much as I appreciate tabs, is it possible for you to not scumhunt with pairs when we have no flips? It's kinda silly to do D1. I opened my tab and it was basically a waste of time. :/

That's because

you

are basically a waste of time.

Compare/contrast with Vi, who has actually been playing the game.

[UberNinja]

Welcome to my life.

btw this beats your sig:

Fluffy fluffy~~~

[UberNinja]

Hmmm... in the interest of gaining information, I'll vote Vi, Yos, or Chiaro/replacement, and I'm warming up to Nuwen as scum too.

[UberNinja]

@shos: Fine.

UNVOTE
VOTE UBERNINJA

Why's this vote sound like it's ready, waiting, and begging to be blamed on shos?

Just saiyan

[UberNinja]

Hmmm... in the interest of gaining information, I'll vote Vi, Yos, or Chiaro/replacement, and I'm warming up to Nuwen as scum too.

Explain to me, how you can have a Viscum case, and then claim to vote her in interest of gaining information.

@shos: Fine.

UNVOTE
VOTE UBERNINJA

Why's this vote sound like it's ready, waiting, and begging to be blamed on shos?

Just saiyan

Because you are inventing reasons to suspect me. Just saiyan.

No, I'm really not.

You know how I know? Because I'm not the only one that noticed it.

and that is one of my problems with Uberscum. It feels like he's inventing cases which he does not believe in, in order to look contributory.

Have you ever seen me-scum before?

Do I sound insincere to you?

[UberNinja]

and that is one of my problems with Uberscum. It feels like he's inventing cases which he does not believe in, in order to look contributory.

Have you ever seen me-scum before?

How is this relevant to your in-game behavior?

Let me rephrase: Have you ever seen me act ridiculously scummy as town before?

Hint: You have.

"His gameplay is highly survivalistic"
"UN's stupid survivalistic D1 playstyle guarantees him around because he works as a disorganizing force for town"
"UN's Town intentions are questionable and debatable."
"When has UberNinja done anything substantially contributive to help town in this game?"
etc

Another hint: Yos also has.
I won't quote anything because a game is still going on, but me and Yos are both long since dead.

The fact you're both still trying to chop my head off feels scummy to me, since you *both* know I act hella scummy regardless of my alignment.

Do I sound insincere to you?

Yes you do.

Statements like the one in #973 make for a funny choice of words about a player you have been making a case upon. It is similar to what you did in #519, while explaining reasons on keeping a vote on someone you did not list among your suspects.

Fair enough.

But I will let you know right now, I'm town and I'm being honest. Sometimes honesty in an ever changing situation looks like inconsistency, but it is what it is homie.

[UberNinja]

It's even more telling that UN is using Vi's suspicion of Zar to justify his own, even while he's voting for Vi. At least, I assume Vi is the person he's talking about when he vaguely says:

Because you are inventing reasons to suspect me. Just saiyan.

No, I'm really not.

You know how I know? Because I'm not the only one that noticed it.

But that makes no sense; if UN actually thinks Vi is scum, then why would he trust Vi's read on Zar? And I think even UN knows that he is on really shaky ground here, and that's why he's being so vague.

It really feels like UN is just opportunistically supporting any wagon he can that might save his own skin, even when they logically contradict each other; Vi gets a few votes, UN drops his town read on Vi and votes for her; Vi attacks Zar, and suddenly UN opportunistically adds Zar to his suspect list while keeping a vote on Vi.

You're so full of omelettes that I want to cook you up and eat you.

[UberNinja]

Already Completed:

Spoiler: shos

shos / Vi - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / diddin/Katsuki - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / QuilmoTeHAzN - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Pirate Chiermosticada - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Yosarian2 - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Parama - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Nuwen - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / Zar - I think shos is town, so no.
shos / charter - I think shos and charter are both town, so no.
shos / kanyeknowsbest - I think shos and kanye are both town, so no.
shos / Furcolow - I think shos and Furcolow are both town, so no.

Spoiler: Vi (scum)

Vi / diddin/Katsuki - diddin never mentioned Vi once. Katsuki never says anything substantive about Vi. But neither of those are a surprise.
Vi makes some statements about Katsuki that exhibits vague annoyance, and tries to vaguely paint him as scummy,

but

... Vi never mentions diddin once. Now that IS a surprise.
I doubt they're scum together, but it's vaguely possible.
I too am pretty annoyed at the 99,2% Katsuki fluff, especially in the aftermath of diddin being 100% useless.

Vi / QuilmoTeHAzN - In post 268 Vi chides Quil for being stupid. Reading my posts 289 and 304 reminds me greatly of why I think Quilford is town and why I have always suspected Vi of being scum.
Vi post 322 says "kanye is probscum regardless of Quilford's alignment" and doesn't "feel like taking the Quilbait atm".
Vi points out here and here and here that Quilford has replaced out as scummy town before.
I don't particularly think these slots are scum together, all things considered. I could be wrong but I don't get any feeling of any level of collusion from their posts.

Vi / Pirate Chiermosticada - Very possible

-The only time Chiaro mentioned Vi was in his replacing out post, saying he was "null, leaning scum" on Vi. That's pretty surreptitious distancing there buddy... NOT! (borat voice)
-Vi doesn't mention Chiaro until post 270, when replying to my post that says "you think Parama/Chiaro are scum, but not shos?" and Vi replies "Basically."
-After that, Vi won't switch to a Chiaro wagon in 306 because it's not a Parama wagon.
-Then, suddenly in 337, Vi seems willing to switch to a Chiaro wagon, but still doesn't do it.
-When it appears a Chiaro wagon is inevitable, Vi manages to switch to the wagon in a not-too-suspicious position (the L-3 vote), but gives absolutely no reason why Chiaro is scummy.
-Only after shos asks for a case does Vi say somthing about Chiaro in 481: "Chiarosicada has been largely passive and lurky up until now. All the scummy Townies can argue each other in a circle all Day long, and if the scum can skirt by along the side, so be it."
-After Chiaro replaces out, Vi unvotes in 502, saying "Unvote: Chiarosicada - This vote has served its purpose."
-In response to Parama saying "Pirate's still scum", Vi replies in 756: "I have no idea how you do this. Please teach me."
-All Pirate Chemist has ever said about Vi is "Vi is probably town".
-In response to Katsuki attacking Pirate Chemist, Vi points out in 794: "*lowest-content poster in the game - *replaces even-lower content poster - *tries to push policy lynch off on one of two other contenders for lowest-content posters" in an ad hominem attack against Katsuki that doesn't seem out of place because of how bad Katsuki has been playing. But in this context, it looks terrible because the only time Vi has ever attacked the Chiaro slot was when it was under at least three votes of pressure already (with Vi being the fourth vote), and even then didn't give any reasons for voting until shos asked for them. After that, the chainsaw attack against Katsuki and the sarcastic response to Parama don't feel all that great, especially since Vi hasn't said anything about changing opinions on the slot. The only indication is "the vote has served its purpose", and that's hardly enough to base any assumption of an opinion on.

Vi is very likely scum based on this. Is Chiaro's slot scum too? Probably, but not worth lynching first over Vi.

Vi is also doing another one of my favorite tactics: White knight a scummy townie who you think might be lynched, not just for the "I told you so" factor if they ARE lynched, but if they stay alive they may buddy back to you and never suspect you. This applies to both me (Vi has continually stated a town read on me) and Quilford (Vi pointed out at least three times, including a link to the game, that Quilford has replaced out as scummy town before). So there's that too, on top of everything else.

Vi / Yosarian2 - Ehhh, not seeing it. Vi has been trying too hard to make Yosarian look bad recently, probably hoping that I'll help out. I can't say it's unattractive to me, as Yos is one of the people I'd least like left alive if he's scum. However, I can't overlook that I have hard evidence of Vi being really scummy compared to the Chiaro slot, and I don't think Vi would distance from the Yos slot like that if they were scum together. However, their polar opposite opinions on me could be a farce, and it's possible they could be yukking it up that people are believing it; but I'm more convinced of Vi-scum than Yos-scum at this point (yeah, strange, I know), and aside from being inherently suspicious of both of them due to knowing they are "top-caliber players", I don't have much else to pin them together. Edit: Actually, after further reading, I'm even more convinced that they are not scum together. Which means Vi is acting with other accomplices.

Vi / Parama - Probably not scum together. Vi has been pushing for Parama's lynch all day, and Parama hasn't been too nice to Vi either. Could it be distancing/bussing? Yeah, it probably could be, but I'm not very keen on them being scum together at this point.

Vi / Nuwen - Vi is "ambivalent" on Nuwen in 618. Says Nuwen is acting like scum in post 707, and votes her. Vi reacts to my post saying that her and Nuwen could be scum together with veiled contempt, asking "why is Viscum voting Nuwenscum as a counterwagon to UberNinjaevidentlyTown?" In hindsight, that looks like both an admonishment to me that I shouldn't think Vi is scum, attached to some more buddying. Other than that, the point makes sense. But it makes sense for both town and scum, especially given the "buddy up to a townie who's pretty scummy" tactic I described earlier.

Vi / Zar - They haven't said enough about each other for me to decide. I am independently suspicious of both of them.

Vi / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

Vi / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

Vi / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: diddin/Katsuki

diddin/Katsuki / QuilmoTeHAzN - Not enough content from diddin or Katsuki regarding Quilford's slot to make any connection here.

diddin/Katsuki / Pirate Chiermosticada - diddin said Chiaro was a good lynch in 351. Katsuki seems to be a bit defensive of Chiaro in 537. Says he needs replacing in 823. In 498, Chiaro's reads list says "not sure" about diddin/Katsuki. No other mentions of the diddin/Katsuki slot whatsoever.

diddin/Katsuki / Yosarian2 - Not enough content about Yos from the two lurkers, but Yos says diddin was a lurker, and that Kats is null. Yawn.

diddin/Katsuki / Parama - Parama calls diddin scum in 354, but votes Chiaro. Calls diddin scum again in 488. Only fluff about Katsuki. diddin/Katsuki never say anything alignment indicative about Parama. Yawn again.

diddin/Katsuki / Nuwen - diddin & Katsuki don't mention Nuwen at all, and all Nuwen says about that slot is that wagons on Katsuki or Nuwen (herself) are scum-initiated, in 709. In other words, a slight defense of the slot.

diddin/Katsuki / Zar - The only mention on either side is Zar saying he'd consider Katsuki a compromise lynch, in 862.

diddin/Katsuki / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

diddin/Katsuki / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

diddin/Katsuki / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Newly Completed:

Spoiler: QuilmoTeHAzN

QuilmoTeHAzN / Pirate Chiermosticada - Chiaro was leaning scum on the Elmo/Quil slot in post 498. Other than that, there is not much interaction with either person from either slot interacting with either person from the other slot. This is disturbing, but all too common in this game. Why is there so much interaction going on between a few people, but so little from the others? I'm beginning to think some (probably not all, but definitely some) of the scum lie in the outliers, even those that I have had a town read on up until now.

QuilmoTeHAzN / Yosarian2 - Yos is giving odd vibes to Quilford in 126. Then when Nuwen goes apeshit over nothing, he defends himself and says that he hasn't called Yos OR Nuwen scum (which in his defense, he didn't. She was pulling shit out of her ass. Sound familiar?). In 176, Quilford reprimands Yos for not reading Nuwen's posts more closely and realizing what garbage they are. As usual, Yosarian shrugs it off and puts his fingers in his ears and starts singing "I CANT HEAR YOU" at the top of his lungs. Yos says to me in 167 that Quilford "pretty clearly attacked" both him and Nuwen, which is PRETTY CLEARLY not true. Yos is so dense that I badly wish we could defenestrate him and get somebody halfway competent in here. If Yos is scum, I semi-understand him being this idiotic, but other than that, he's got noooo fucking excuse for being this dull/thick/etc. In other news, Yos says Quilford is odd/scummy in post 309, and goes on for a while about how scummy he is, and then votes him. Yos says in 385 that he thinks kanye is town for pushing the Quilford wagon. Yos also goes out of his way to explain kanye's reasons for voting Quil (two out of three of which are complete BS, by the way. One is an unaccompanied vote, and the other is... another unaccompanied vote... i.e. Yos is pulling shit out of his ass too) in post 396. Yos pins me and Quilford together as scum in 403 (i.e. more shit pulling. Yos is even more incorrigible than Nuwen, it's insane). Well, there's a lot more here about Quil's slot spoken by Yos, but a lot of it is bullshit, and it's pretty clear that these two aren't scum together.

QuilmoTeHAzN / Parama - Quilford RVS votes Parama, saying "he knows why". Quil says in 122 that he won't disagree with a Parama lynch, but criticizes Nuwen's vote for Parama in the same breath. Quilford argues with Nuwenstupid about Parama and Yos for awhile, then it blows over. Quil says "i was getting shitty gut reactions from Parama's voters because of the way they handled the wagon, but I find their reasoning for parama being scum as valid" in post 134. This is valid, and townie. Quil goes up a notch (again). You know what, I almost don't even want to finish this, because I highly doubt Parama and Quil are scum together. But I'll go on for a bit. Quilford directly criticizes Nuwen's vote on Parama in post 135. In 176, Quil explains to Yos that he thought Nuwen's vote on Parama made no sense. In post 177, Quil explains to Zar why Parama was scummy, namely, because Parama was opportunistic during the flashfire shoswagon. Quil defends his reasoning regarding Parama to Chiaro in post 259. This also rings quite townie. After Quil replaces out, Elmo calls out shos, asking why Parama dropped off the face of the earth on his scum list (this is in post 641). Now to Parama; on Quil.
Parama RVS votes Quil, as "delayed OMGUS". Votes Quilford again in post 25, more RVS. Mentions Quil's name again in 28. More jokes about voting. Aaaaaand, Parama hasn't mentioned Elmo at all. What can we learn from this? Parama isn't interested in the Quilford wagon, isn't interested in scumhunting involving Quilford, and hasn't even mentioned Elmo yet. Parama may very well be scum, but probably not with the Quil/Elmo slot.

QuilmoTeHAzN / Nuwen - The huge long stupid fight between them is totally legit, and Quilford is remarkably skilled at voicing his frustration with stupidity,

without

being an asshole. I could take some tips there. Verdict: These slots aren't scum together.

QuilmoTeHAzN / Zar - Meh, I don't even want to read this. Quil is so likely town by this point that looking for associative tells here would be just as fruitless as looking for them between myself and myself.

QuilmoTeHAzN / charter - I think charter and Quil are town, so no.

QuilmoTeHAzN / kanyeknowsbest - I think Quil's town, and I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

QuilmoTeHAzN / Furcolow - I think Furcolow and Quil are both town, so no.

Spoiler: Pirate Chiermosticada

Pirate Chiermosticada / Yosarian2 - Chiaro says Yos is "null, leaning town" in post 498, but no reasoning. No other notable mentions of the Yos slot.
On Yos' side, he waxes eloquent in post 355 about the Chiaro slot: "Eh, he could go either way. I actually kind of like the timing behind some of his votes and unvotes, it feels like he's reacting to stuff actually going on in the game instead of reacting to other people's reactions to stuff going on in the game if you know what I mean. I would like him to actually explain his reads on people in more detail, though, and would feel better if he would stop acting like he was afraid to commit himself to anything." In 459 Yos calls out Furcolow for avoiding the Chiaro wagon. That's about it there. Not enough information; they could very well be scum together. I'll look forward greatly to watching Hiraki's interaction with Yos.

Pirate Chiermosticada / Parama - Chiaro says in post 112 that he'll have trouble reading Parama and that players like Parama give him a headache. Chiaro says to me in 258 that he's finding Parama scummy for claiming scum, but he also says he didn't have enough confidence to call him scum for it until someone else did first. This is odd, but not necessarily indicative of scum attachment or detachment between these slots. In 278 Chiaro changes his vote from me to Parama. Chiaro calls Parama "scum" in 498. Chiaro replaces out. Pirate Chemist asks Parama if he's scum in post 501. In post 522, Pirate Chemist says Parama is scummy for two reasons, because he doesn't seem to be playing up to snuff, and because he's just independently scummy. Now onto Parama.
Parama says in 298 that Vi is a gold-plated townie "when Chiaro flips scum"... but doesn't throw a vote on Chiaro. ???. Weird. He seems so sure that Chiaro is scum but doesn't vote him. Parama comes across as scummy for this; calling somebody scummy, calling someone townie, but doing nothing about it himself, just trying to change other people's opinions of others. I don't think Chiaro is scum with Parama at this point, but I'll finish. I'm actually starting to think the Chiaro slot is town, which is weird. But it's true. Anyway moving on. In Parama's post 338, he says "Shos/Chiaro are still scumbuddies, nothing has changed.", but still doesn't vote Chiaro. (He's still voting for shos at this point). In 354, Parama votes Chiaro, saying scum is diddin/Chiaro. In 417, Parama says Chiaro and shos need to die before he'll consider lynching Yos, but that he's not against lynching Yos. In post 686, he responds to Zar saying Chiaro's slot is scum by saying "Then vote it?"... After that, Zar never even

mentions

Chiaro again. Scummy as fuck. 300 posts and 12ish pages later, not even mentioning someone he said fit the low profile activity of scum? Fuck no. Zar is scum. But back to Parama/ChiaroChemist. In 704, Parama says that Chemist's play is irrelevant; that one needs only to ISO Chiaro to know that the slot is a scum slot. After this (and even during this), Parama has been pretty consistently saying that the Chiaro/Pirate slot is scum and should be lynched.
Not sure if sitting on wagon to avoid talking about others or just being useless because it feels good. I'm reluctant to believe they're scum together though, at any rate.

Pirate Chiermosticada / Nuwen - Chiaro RVS votes Nuwen. In post 498, the replacing-out post, Chiaro says "Not sure, needs to post more" about the Nuwen slot. And that's it for Chiaro or Pirate saying anything about Nuwen. As for Nuwen saying anything about either Pirate or Chiaro, no luck there either. They seem to be completely ignoring each other. Scum points for both slots, but more for Nuwen. It's distinctly possible they are scum together, my slightly improved read on Chiaro's slot notwithstanding.

Pirate Chiermosticada / Zar - Chiaro has some good insight on Zar in his replacing out post #498 (link is just above here), where he says "I don't like his cases on either me or UberNinja, seems to be tunneling hard and looking for evidence to justify his conclusions rather than the other way around. Scummy." <-- that right there isn't something one scum says about another. The end. Not scum together. This almost cements my town read on Chiaro and my scum read on Zar.
Zar calls Chiaro scummy and votes for him in 271. In post 326, Zar defends his voting of Chiaro, even though nobody has questioned it. In post 409, after I call him out on it, Zar says the he "decided to explain why I felt my vote was still good" randomly. Looool, scummy as fuck. Then in 685, he says "I still think the Chiaro slot (replacement included) fits the profile of low activity scum." but then NEVER MENTIONS HIM AGAIN. I am now 99% sure Zar is scum again.

Pirate Chiermosticada / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

Pirate Chiermosticada / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

Pirate Chiermosticada / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Yosarian2 (scum)

Yosarian2 / Parama - Yos first. Yos votes Parama in 118. Yos says I sound like Parama's scum buddy in posts 154 and 156. In 158, he says I might not be Parama's scum buddy, but I'm scum anyway. Yos says in 188: "I don't actually know Parama's alignment at this point"; I can't tell if this is a "herp derp I'm town guys I don't know his alignment" subliminal message, or if it's really a "hurp de durp I don't know if he's scum or not but he's scummy and I'd be voting him BUT... etc." Either way looks bad. In post #378 (I'm guessing this will become an important post, for reasons I will spill in a bit), Yos says Parama is "pretty iffy", which is the epitome of a non-stance. In post 459, Yos says Furcolow is avoiding the Parama wagon. In post 543, Yos says "Parama has been really useless, yeah, that's why I listed him as my #3 suspect. I really have no idea how to read him here." Yos has Parama listed as "suspicious" in post 596. Post 812, Yos buddies with shos while saying Parama is scummy. Post 814: "Parama really needs to start coming out with some good, non-crappy content, and he needs to do it soon." In other words, Yos is criticizing Parama for the same thing he criticizes Parama for criticizing others for. I really really doubt they are scum together at this point. But onto Parama's posts about Yos.
Parama opens up with "so yos is scum guys. just sayin'" in post 123. Parama asks Yos a pertinent question ("Yos: Analyze why I would not defend myself at L-1 and instead respond with an accusation as scum?") in post 148. Yos responds in 152 with a

complete fucking non-answer

: "(shrug) Explain why you would do it as town, and you might have yourself a defense there." <--- WHAT THE FUCK? ... Yos is scum. Moving on: Parama asks Yos for his thoughts on Chiaro in post 310. Parama says in post 417 that he's willing to vote Yos, but has two other people in front of him on his list (Chiaro and shos). That's about it. Are they scum together? It's vaguely possible. But probably not. Yos comes out looking terribly scummy though.

Yosarian2 / Nuwen - Yos OMGUS votes Nuwen in RVS. Yos defends Nuwen in post 167, even when she's clearly making shit up. He comes up with a reason to vote Quilford in 309. based on Quilford's spat with Nuwen, even though Nuwen is clearly the one who's not making sense. Yos calls Nuwen townish in the infamous post 378. He says Nuwen has acted pro-town in 396. And LOL I almost lost my Cheerios at this one. He says Nuwen made a "logical case" in post 403. That's

rich

. He then follows up in 414 by saying Nuwen's statements were factually true (Hint: they weren't). This is too much. I can't take it any more, lol. Moving on, in 595, he says Nuwen looks pretty town, and has her on his Town list in the next post. In 776 he says Nuwen is acting town and that charter is acting like a dumbass. He then continues attacking anyone who says Nuwen is retarded. Omg I think I'm gonna pee. In 779, he says Nuwen is "pretty clearly" town. I think Pretty Clearly would be an excellent title for Yos, he says it at least as much as (shrug). and it's even more ironic because he says it about stuff that is "pretty clearly" not true, or "pretty clearly" bullshit. In other words, it'd be a perfect title, if irony was the aim. In other news, it's now Yos's catchphrase and I'm going to use it in every post I ever direct at him ever from now on. It's "pretty clearly" the perfect thing to say to make people feel stupid, at the same time as giving off a vague condescending air of elitism that most tenured forum asshats like Yos try to give off. But I digress. Moving right along: In post 811, he says that Nuwen's actions make no sense coming from scum, EVEN THOUGH he gave a lame half-assed answer to Parama which puts the burden of proof on PARAMA (who used the same argument), by asking why Parama would do something as TOWN. This is inconsistent. He has been white-knighting Nuwen relentlessly and Nuwen is quite obviously the perfect townie to white-knight (if you're scum and know she's town). She's acting stupidly, making arguments with no merit, and lurking in the interim. Yos needs to re-learn how to pick his white-knighting targets; Nuwen's a "textbook" target for scum white-knighting if she's town (which makes me slightly more sure that she IS town, because I really really can't see Yos defending her this much otherwise). Again I'll point out that Yos needs to find a new textbook. His is "pretty clearly" old hat and needs to be updated. *giggle* .... and.... the very next post I come to is this one (878): "Nuwen is one of the few people who has an even lower tolerance for stupidity then I do." Yeah, I'm done. There's nothing more to say about this. I'm only half done with Yos's ISO and he's proclaimed Nuwen town at least ten times already, and sang her praises although she "pretty clearly" doesn't deserve any of them. It's kind of sad, really.

Nuwen opens up with an RVS vote on Yos, joking that he's a godfather in her next post. Nuwen votes Quilford in post 129 for allegedly accusing her and Yosarian of being scum (the

truth

is: all he said was "Nuwen you suck seriously what is that shit vote" in 122, and "yos is giving me the odd vibes like i give kids candy" in 126 ... which means Nuwen was making shit up entirely -- and Yos was defending her for it; wtf?). In post 709 Nuwen says "The wagon on Yos is crapscum flailing about." but admits "I can't read Yos himself this early in the game". Two things: One, Yos had already made

57 posts

by that point, and two, Nuwen is

pretty clearly

on crack, because Yos was obvscum long before that point. More mutual

masturbation

buddying with Yos in post 798: "Yosarian is a terrible lynch. Show me a guilty and MAYBE I'll listen. He's more valuable to the town than ten of anything else in this game." And I believe that's it. Sigh. What a trainwreck. The verdict is that Nuwen is very probably just very stupid, but unfortunately is also probably town. And it's pretty clear that Yos is buddying and white-knighting her, and she's uselessly doing the same thing back because she thinks Yos is cool or something.

If

Yos is town too (which I highly doubt), then they are both on my blacklist of ever playing with again ever, because they're both ridiculously useless. [insert more stamping my foot and shouting here]. Oh no wait that's what Nuwen would do. Never mind about the blacklisting thing. I thought that was

pretty clearly

a joke, anyway.

Yosarian2 / Zar - Zar doesn't mention Yos until post 419, after I ask him what he thinks of Yos. "Townish due to his contributions" is the reply. Well, then. Yos also gets a town read from Zar in 862. Fantastic. After that, that's it. No more from Zar regarding Yos. It appears his modus operandi in this case is to call his scumbuddy "townish" after 400 posts, then "town" after another 400. Don't expect him to mention his scumbuddy Yos again for another... 200 posts or so. It's not time yet.
Yos on the other hand is even more ludicrous/awful: His first mention of Zar is SIX hundred posts into the game, in post 596, where he's listed as "town" with no explanation. In post 932 he says "Zar? Really?", chiding Vi for mentioning unvoting him (Yos) to vote Zar. Yos talks about people

suspecting

Zar in post 982, but doesn't say anything about Zar himself. And that's it.

tl;dr, Yos and Zar are scum together.

Yosarian2 / charter - I think charter is town, so no.

Yosarian2 / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.

Yosarian2 / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Incomplete:

Spoiler: Parama

Parama / Nuwen -
Parama / Zar -
Parama / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Parama / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Parama / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Nuwen

Nuwen / Zar -
Nuwen / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Nuwen / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Nuwen / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: Zar

Zar / charter - I think charter is town, so no.
Zar / kanyeknowsbest - I am beginning to think kanye is town, so no.
Zar / Furcolow - I think Furcolow is town, so no.

Spoiler: charter

charter / kanyeknowsbest - I think charter and kanye are both town, so no.
charter / Furcolow - I think charter and Furcolow are both town, so no.

Spoiler: kanyeknowsbest

kanyeknowsbest / Furcolow -

My reads at this point

:

shos is town. No way he's scum. If there was a dead cop's past innocent result on someone, I'd lynch them before shos.

Quilford/Elmo is town. Almost as strong of a read here as the shos read.

charter's really likely town. Like... really, really likely.

Chiaro/Pirate/Hiraki is actually probably town too, regardless of what I've said in the past.

Furcolow's town read is based on a certain way he plays. My read on him is comparatively weak, but he's being reliable and consistent.

kanye and Parama are my weakest town reads, but they're still above even. It's vaguely possible they're both scum, but I wouldn't bet on it. I have decided to trust them both for now.

diddin/Katsuki is useless. Completely, absolutely useless. Don't know if they're scum, but I'm really pissed.

Nuwen could be scum. Vi says she's not stupid, so she must be playing stupid, like Yos. Either that or Vi's dead wrong. Who knows?

Vi is likely scum too. I mentioned reasons earlier. Somewhat less suspicious because of dissonance between Vi and obv-YosZarian-scum, but still very suspicious to me.

Yos is very likely scum, and very possibly scum with Zar. Post 378 feels like someone who's scum with Vi and Zar might say. One is town, one is not mentioned and falls into the "other people I don't have a read on at this point" area. That'd be perfect.

Zar is scum. No two ways about it. I'll eat my finest feathered bonnet if he's town.

Unvote; Vote: Zar

This can also be a vote for Yos. I prefer Zar at this point though.

[UberNinja]

I'll vote for an extension too.

[UberNinja]

The fact you're both still trying to chop my head off feels scummy to me,

since you *both* know I act hella scummy regardless of my alignment.

The only thing the above statement is telling me is that we should analyze you based on your behavior in game and not rely on your META, which would be as useful as the shell of a cooked escargot.

You are also admitting that the underlying reason you suspect me is based on me suspecting you. How is that not short-sighted and total OMGUS?

No, that's not what I'm "admitting" at all. You are twisting my words and misrepping me.

The "meta thing" in question is just the icing on what was already the huge and delicious cake of your scumminess.

Zar is scum. No two ways about it. I'll eat my finest feathered bonnet if he's town.

Would you at least bother on giving reasons? All you're doing here is placing a bet. :rollseyes:

You would

know

that I

have

given reasons if you'd have clicked the gazillion spoilers in my posts.

I'm pretty sure you just admitted that you aren't paying any attention to the research I say and/or the cases I make.

If you were a TOWNIE, you'd at least read them first and

then

discard them as "coming from scum, until such time as I flip town...

if

I flip town". Because after all, we're a day or two out from a deadline (which will probably be extended, but etc) and it's time to get as much information about everyone and make an informed decision as to who to lynch, based on all the info present.

HOWEVER, since you're scum, that means you already know I'm town, and don't bother reading the info. The logical thing to think is that the reason you haven't read them is because you actually have no interest in scumhunting; your main goal here is "pretty clearly" (*snarky snigger*) to get a mislynch.

Correct me if I'm wrong about the reason you haven't read what I've made as usable and accessible as possible.

[UberNinja]

Don't worry: you're actually a rather distant third on my list after Zar (Public Enemy #1) and Yosarian (Public Enemy #2).

[UberNinja]

+1 deadline ext. 1 week should do.

sorry for being alittle inactive, weekend does that, i need to read ninja's new spoilers yet.

Please read them with an open mind, and don't read them as if scum is writing them.

Read them as if Honest-to-goodness Townie McTownface is writing them. Please?

[UberNinja]

Zar:

You admitted that the underlying reason you suspect me is based on me suspecting you.

Me:

What?? No I didn't, did you read my gazillion spoilers? I gave plenty of reasons why you're scum.

Zar:

Other than talking about your scumread on Yosarian and Vi, all you did there was put up a list of speculative partnerships in your spoiler tags.

Me:

Let me reiterate: I put up my reasons for suspecting

you

. Among them were suspicions of other people too, but you seem to be very intent on ignoring all hints that you're scum in any regard by

pretending it doesn't exist.

In other words, scummy as fuck.

--

And as for this:

I fail to see how this is significantly useful unless we have a lynch flip: and by the way, here's another Uber-fail: if you believe Vi and Pirate are likely partners, why are you're listing Pirate among your town-reads? Please explain how this is not contradictory.

Why don't I just copy-paste:

Chiaro/Pirate/Hiraki is actually probably town too,

regardless of what I've said in the past.

In other words:

I amended my read based on the information available.

You're caughtscum and you're trying your best to salvage what is, for you, a very bad situation.

And by the looks of the recent votes, you're doing a terrible job.

[UberNinja]

Try again.

[UberNinja]

Let's take a look at what you said about me:

"He doesn't mention Yosarian until I ask him in 419 what he thinks. Has a town read on Yosarian. Great! Yosarian comes in post 800+ and mentions him. Their scum tactic is to mention each other about every 400 posts."

Do you seriously think that's a case?

So let me get a read on this wagon.

Ninja, Kanye, Furcolow, and Elmo

Two of my ScumPicks + 2 barely useful players.

:/

Ninjascum: I still fail to see how anything I've said about you changes.

I'll go take a stroll along the halls of the museum while you use your cervau de foie gras to explain to me your UberScum read on me, k?

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the flailing has begun.

[UberNinja]

Everyone else gets it. The only reason to pretend not to is either because you're scum with Zar or because you're Zar.

Well, and then there's shos, who I don't think is pretending; he actually really seems to be that dense/tunneling on me.
Try ISOing me and Ctrl-F-ing "Zar", shos.

[UberNinja]

Everyone else gets it. The only reason to pretend not to is either because you're scum with Zar or because you're Zar.

Well, and then there's shos, who I don't think is pretending; he actually really seems to be that dense/tunneling on me.
Try ISOing me and Ctrl-F-ing "Zar", shos.

Uberscum, if you really believe your case on me, why aren't you writing it?

Again, I've already written it. Which, you'd

know

if you had read my posts.

Try following the advice I just gave to shos... (make sure to open the spoilers first btw, shos)

[UberNinja]

Yeah if I had to pick between uber and Zar I'd definitely lynch Zar first

FWIW

k, this will become useful once you put your money where your mouth is

No one's yet tell me why we're voting Zar?

you're either illiterate or just completely dumb

...or scum, but etc

We should lynch Hiraki.

no, we're not lynching hiraki today

Because we're not voting Hiraki :<

B-b-b-ut.

:/

I'm totally lost this game.

if you're really not joking about being

this

lost then close your eyes and give me your hand and i will let you be part of something awesome

[UberNinja]

and of course by "hand" i mean "vote"

[UberNinja]

ITT Zar is trying his damnedest to make everyone else look scummy and inconsistent. ALL OF A SUDDEN.

Would have been great if he'd been doing that all game, no? Oh wait, now he's under pressure though he HAS to perform.

[UberNinja]

ITT Zar is trying his damnedest to make everyone else look scummy and inconsistent. ALL OF A SUDDEN.

Would have been great if he'd been doing that all game, no? Oh wait, now he's under pressure though he HAS to perform.

Ninjascum I'm still waiting for your grand case.

Pro-tip: You don't need a "grand case" to lynch scum.

You just need them to act like scum. Which you are.

[UberNinja]

I find your lack of faith disturbing, shos.

[UberNinja]

Also don't forget that other big ol' post I made about Zar.

Zar's scum because of a fountain of cumulative gut + scummy undertones, not just a neat little list of bullet points.
Not that one couldn't be made to satisfy people, but if you're not voting him already, it won't convince you to, so there's no point.

You either switch to Zar or you don't, and when he flips scum, you get to shut up until never, mmk shos?

[UberNinja]

what's ITT? people keep using it ><
I'm not sure what you meant Vi, but uh, if it wasn't clear, I do not agree with the thought of you being scum, the contrary~ But that post was not about you, it was more about Zar and UN.

@1082 - gut doesn't work with me. if it felt bad to me I'd say it, but it doesn't. either way, you have a much, much larger amount of titbits where my gut says you're scum. you have posted so much in this thread, and I'm sure that anyone who will ever ISO you will think that too.

I do not switch to Zar; but even if he does flip scum, I will not shut up the reason is that I'm not pushing towards a Zar-town stance, I'm just discreditting YOU when you say he's scum.

Stop mincin' words boy.

Do you think he's town or don'tcha?

[UberNinja]

And Hiraki just so you know... I really doubt I'm going to be lynched today

Just sayin.

[UberNinja]

What do you want me to say, shos?

Hiraki, sigh.

[UberNinja]

1. Nervous scum joke when I asked him if he was scum in post 241. There are at least two other tells in this post too, but they're most likely too subtle for you to comprehend given what I've seen so far.

2. He never sees fit to mention me, either as a town read, or as a scum read, until after I begin calling him scum. Then all of a sudden I'm bright and in the forefront of his radar. And now he's voting me and playing survivalistically. Talk about OMGUS caughtscum. The sad part is that fools like you and shos exist that will eat up his drivel and ask for more.

3. I'll repost my list from earlier:

He asks questions instead of asserting opinions.
He rarely even follows up on those questions.
He rarely takes a concrete stance on anything.
He stays out of the spotlight on purpose.
He posts just enough to avoid lurkerhunter notice.
He doesn't rock the boat; so as not to make waves.
He randomly defends his Chiaro vote unnecessarily.

4. He and Yos were FUCKING METHODICALLY IGNORING EACH OTHER until I called them out on it.

5. He's grabbing everything I say that's damning to him in the least, and then straw-manning it. Read his freakin iso.

If that's not enough...

[UberNinja]

Plus, he seems all too happy for any support he can get on my wagon, not even noticing that he has had the Chiaro slot solidly in the scum section for weeks/months, but now has no qualms with Hiraki voting for me. As long as there are enough people voting for someone else so that HE is not lynched, he really could give zero fucks about who's lynched. Read his fucking posts for pete's sake.

[UberNinja]

Nah, I'm done.

I've said my piece and at least as many people agree with me as agree with the anti-me crowd.
I'm not gonna waste any more time here when I have other games to catch up in.

If somebody puts me at L-1 and wants me to claim, I suppose I'll have to, but I doubt I'll get lynched.

[UberNinja]

This Zar wagon better not turn into a Hiraki wagon. I won't vote Hiraki today.

[UberNinja]

Well I suppose I should claim. I'm a town informative power role.

[UberNinja]

hey can we please lynch elmo tomorrow now?

NO. ZAR