Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

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MafiaSSK's very first post after I made that shot leans obvscum (sad that he got shot without really being pissed off about it). the rest of it leans town but it could be because he realized the shot might be fake = = kind of conflicted on the read I got from him.

He sounded just like caught scum, compare to generic in Red Wedding Mafia (it's in completed theme games or on my (cabd's) wiki) after he thought he had been hammered.

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Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.

You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?

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okay so I wanna shoot him for real now. thoughts?

Ffery's out getting her eyes fixed or something like that, so it's just cabd here, but yeah, I didn't like that reaction. This is important though:

Does your vigshot end the day, or continue it?

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Wait, but we'll use it with enough time to finish out the day. Something about the setup just clicked to me, actually. Nacho should know what I mean when I say that borkie is using the same trick andy did in red wedding regarding odds and evens.

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EBWODP:

Yeah, I read it. And it sounds to me like he's content being useless and lurky. If you don't have a real strong read, I'd go ahead and shoot him since he doesn't sound like he wants to change his game.

Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.

You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?

It's not out of the question.

Why would town-anybody make such a gambit if not for reals?

I find this amusing because I fucking love gambits and reaction tests as both alignments. See: paradox prime, AMOL, achievement unlocked, xenogears....

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Once again, this is a moot point because we can just lynch pie if there's no shot.

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Okay ffery agrees re: ssk. Shoot him dead once everyone else has had a chance to chime in, in our opinion. The lurker WIFOM he's creating has no benefit to town.

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I thought you said it was obvtown.

I sure as hell never saw pie say this. Where?

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The way SSK is playing, he's a liability in X(Y)LO anyways. Half policy vig, half scumread. He's made it very clear that he has no intention to do more; and the lack of reads from supposedly soon to be confirmed town is alarming.

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Says the steak sauce that saw the ending to paradox prime. Was that dumb too?

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But hey, if you give fucks, then less bitching about the reaction tests, and more

POST YOUR FUCKING READS.

See, I can capslock too.

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I mean, I don't really see how Mastin could be scuim. I see you, Mac, and pieguy as defTown. Varsoon as maybeTown. The rest are pretty null.

T{morph, pie, mastin, Mac}
LT{varsoon}
N{everyone else}
LS{?}
S{}

Was that really so goddamn hard? Flesh the list out.

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Mastin, I'm kinda surprised. I figured you'd be interested in getting potentially last will and testament stuff from us just in case that shot was real.

Didn't you give them already?

I'm not sure where your head was at here. I hadn't planned to say anything about our potential demise, and was just going to get my reads changes documented as quickly as possible. It was Cabd's idea to go ahead and say why we were in such a hurry.

I'm thinking about how town-me would react to another player who's at least debate-ably good at the game indicating their time could be up. I'd want to get as many questions asked and answered as I could, because whether they flip town or scum, it should be good data to mine. You criticized the bottom of our list not changing much. I threw some thoughts together on the one scum read I'd potentially rethink at that point. But you asked us nothing else. Nothing about specific players, wherever they fell in the list.

If you think we're town, your questions could have helped us articulate our last minute thoughts. If you think we're scum, we might have let something slip in the rush.

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Let's try something specific then.

1. BROseidon
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien)
3. Mac
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8)
9. thenewearth
10. thezmon221
11. Varsoon
13. zMuffinMan

The relevant players. (SSK we'll know the alignment of soon enough assuming the shot was legit, which it definitely looks like it is. Pie's town, and wayne also is pretty damn town. Consider them my tier-1 town.)

Varsoon looks town, zMuffin looks like town, and I *think* Mac's town as well, though I admittedly don't know him well enough to be sure. (Let's call those my tier-2 townreads.) Which leaves...

1. BROseidon
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien)
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8)
9. thenewearth
10. thezmon221

...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit. Be back in a while, to see if I can elaborate on my feelings about each. Because, bluntly, aside from BRO, I can see any of them being town (though Psychlone is probably the most concerning to me, with the other two hydras not far behind) or any of them as scum (though I'm admittedly on a purely-HOPING basis looking mainly at TNE and thez).

Though that said, morph's probably town. (The real concern is on Psychlone and GP.)

I mostly agree where your question marks are, though I am feeling better about GiF for reasons that are hard to articulate. But, that hydra contains two players who I want to make stakes in the ground, and at the moment I can't.

I'm really not sure what your read of us is, given the above two posts. We're in your list of 6 players where scum must lie, but you think we're town anyway.

But, not as town as varsoon, zmuffin and Mac? Is that what you're saying?

Re Mac, fwiw my town read of him right now is as strong as my town read of him in Xenogears day 1 after a comparable number of his posts. i.e., pretty fucking town and I'd be arguing with people if they were voting him.

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Mastin, cabd here.

Tell me why you can't talk to me. You had zero issue talking with me in xenogears when I was pushing your wagon. What about it being morph makes me unapproachable?

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Are you trying to mindfuck the Town?

Nope. The two statements work to augment one another, 'specially when you throw in a third for completion. (Town-Mastin flips a switch from a reads-mess into a scumhunting pseudo-god; Scum-Mastin flips a switch from being a pseudo-scumhunting god into being a paranoid reads mess. You've seen this first-hand, Ghostlin, in Xenogears [mess-to-refined] and Les Mis [refined-to-mess].) I have VERY strong tendencies as town and as scum. They're not absolutes of my play, though. I can have a towngame resembling my scum games, and a scumgame resembling my town ones. All of this is true. It'd be flat-out lying to say that these things are absolute, but it'd also be lying to say that they're not present at all. Basically, while I spoke in absolutes (bad habit, I know ), I'm being as transparent as possible, here. I am town. And if you're town as well, then you'll come around eventually.

Tell me why you can't talk to me. You had zero issue talking with me in xenogears when I was pushing your wagon. What about it being morph makes me unapproachable?

Hell if I know. You're right; it's not you. It MIGHT be ffery, but even then, I kinda don't think it's her that's my problem, either. I think it's somehow the magical combination of you two which makes it a bit hard. But that said...

I'm really not sure what your read of us is, given the above two posts. We're in your list of 6 players where scum must lie, but you think we're town anyway.

This I can work with. (Right now, I think me being a bit reactionary and responding to questions will be more useful than proactively asking them. I know, not a good plan as town, but it's better than nothing.) That post shoulda been taken as you being bumped out of the six and reducing it down to five.

But, not as town as varsoon, zmuffin and Mac? Is that what you're saying?

Basically, yeah, I'd say yes. Town but not as town. Though that said, the strength of all my townreads is MASSIVELY in flux; you're at the bottom now but could be above the other three later, or in the middle at another time.

And by the way, a huge concern I have here is that there's an all-around lack of scumminess. SSK is probably scum, but even he has townie bits in his posting. TNE could be scum, but kinda looks like town via gut. Thez could be either. BRO looks like scum, but I don't have much confidence in that. Psychlone is concerning, but also has a lot of town. GP looks a bit like scum to my gut but something's telling me despite that, that they're town. In addition to Mac (who I believe to be town), you (who I also am thinking are town), Varsoon (who could be scum but looks like town), and zMuffinMan (who looks town but I need more research to confirm), there's wayne (who is probably town) and pie (who almost certainly is town).

While I believe fairly strongly the tier-1 players are town, and have a decent amount of confidence in the tier-2 players...I honestly could see an argument for anyone in this game being town and anyone being scum.

I can relate to that, though I feel like my reads have begun to firm up. 20 pages ago I was seriously wondering if ANYBODY besides us got a town role PM.

thezmon is giving me fits. I hated his reaction to pieguy's dayvig gambit.

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and yeah, I still have to use my shot on D1 or else I lose it. the only fake part was shooting in thread

Coughthezmoncough

It annoys the fuck out of me when someone who's scumreading me posts something I agree with.

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Vigpool of {ssk, thez} sounds divine right about now.

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Oh hai ffery.

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I'm not ffery but:

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Just ask cabd.

And why would you have him ask me when I'm supposedly obvscum and will lie to kill your ass dead?

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All I have to say is "fucking called it" WRT 1042

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I will never forgive you for this untimely reread of Death's Diner jsyk

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For the snark thing, wayne.

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The entire playerlist is in your debt because the amount of snark I posted in that game nearly resulted in a snark event horizon as it was.

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Deadline is in 5 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes

^I'd like a flip and several days to work on the results before deadline please and thanks.

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I doubt Cabd is awake.

Whisper into his ear, "Buy Varsoon Pizza..."

Still not happening.

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I think it's somehow the magical combination of you two which makes it a bit hard. But that said...

Uncanny valley maybe?

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If we die, we're pretty confadent in our reads. Just sayin.

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I think our reads are updated. ask questions if you have any.

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Oh, well, we have a bit of time, borkie is doing chatmafia and maybe getting drunk.

Anyone have any questions, lest we die, say your shit now.

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curious, is the chance of dying specific to SSK? or would that happen no matter who dies?

We don't know if it will happen with SSK. We know it could happen (1 in 11 odds right now iirc), and pretty much must happen for town to win.

okay questions time

can you explain your townread on Varsoon more? cause I still don't see it >_<

For me it's the "type" of annoyance he gives off. Wish I could explain it better. Ffery says 50% meta 50% townreading giffy and letting him sort varsoon.

what made zmon be the second "vig pool" candidate?

The reaction to the dayvig shot was classic scumfuckery

do you think waynegg's abrasive reaction testing style o fposting isn't alignment indicative?

Waynegg is... different. He thorws shit at townreads to "help them survive the night" for fuck's sake

can you explain the GP read more? I'm kind of seeing a similar thing but as I don't have any baseline yet I can't make that kind of comparison for myself.

Ffery has a working model of town ghostlin. He's not yet met it here, but that does not nessicarily mean it's scum ghostlin.

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and I was asleep until just now. yay for completely fked up sleep schedule \:D/

curious, is the chance of dying specific to SSK? or would that happen no matter who dies?

Cabd will answer this.

okay questions time
can you explain your townread on Varsoon more? cause I still don't see it >_<

My read is approx 50% meta and approx 50% GiF because GiF reads varsoon 1000000% better than I do.

what made zmon be the second "vig pool" candidate?

We hated his reaction to your loldayvig. Totally, thoroughly hated it in every way it's possible to hate something.

do you think waynegg's abrasive reaction testing style o fposting isn't alignment indicative?

No.

can you explain the GP read more? I'm kind of seeing a similar thing but as I don't have any baseline yet I can't make that kind of comparison for myself.

Not really, not without telling GiF more than I want him to know about how I read him. But, basically there's a disconnect between our play styles. I can tell immediately from his reaction when I've violated meta expectations when he's town.

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'Dat overlap~

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It's fine we'll be back on odds soon enough. Now there's a 1/9th-ish shot we die today.

zmon speedwagon is go.

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VOTE: zmon

To paraphrase what ffery and I spoke of before she fell asleep an hour ago:

Me: hey ffery betya a drink or something it's a townflip /pessimist
ME: so zmon speedwagon either way yes or yes?
Her: yes

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I'm somewhat alarmed that I don't have at least one strong town read.

However, based on this morning's content, it looks like that's about to change.

did your town reads from earlier in the game weaken or were they never strong?

Strong town reads are developing at a glacial pace.

which posts between 849 and 948 changed your mind about mac? (so much so that mac is now solidly town for you when you were apparently null on him before)

I was null due to not having enough to go on. 884, reacting to my call-out was good. 890 sealed it, with a combo of posting stuff I had thought at the time I read the quotes and posting stuff I hadn't thuoght of, but should have.

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actually, the more i look at it, the more i think thez's reaction to the dayvig was town. i don't see thez-scum thinking it's a good idea to discredit someone who has claimed dayvig and isn't particularly fond of him. he'd be walking a fucking fine line hoping pieguy takes a shot at mafiaSSK over him.

also

I'd like to move thezmon up, but I don't really feel like I can justify it beyond "gut" right now

was this based on particular posts or just an overall gut feeling?

Also that's a good point about thez' reaction.

Unvote

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You're leaning scum because you're manipulating everything I say to pursue a scumcase on me. It's like you think I'm an easy mislynch, so you're doing everything you can to paint everything I post as scummy instead of trying to discern what my motivations are (this is most evident in your treatment of my joke posts)

Who the hell is "You" in this paragraph?

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btw morph I think I know what you crumbed in there. Not sure if Cabd setting up a really brilliant fakeclaim or...

@morph you're also having a hard time reading GP? I can help you with that.

Not claiming shit.

I got GP and Psychlone confused in that one post btw.

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What the fuck is going on in this game?

As a side note, pie why do you have BRO null-town?

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What the fuck is going on in this game?

Ffery go home you're drunk.

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It's not nearly as exciting as something cool like drunk nacho. She's a relatively normal one.

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can I go drinking with you all ww I'm not legal yet but who cares

Depends on the quality of your fake ID and what you look like IRL; paired with your proximity to Central California.

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What the fuck is going on in this game?

Ffery go home you're drunk.

You're not the boss of me.

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cause I don't see anything wrong with his posts. and I seriously don't get why the hell every other player besides me is scumreading him, which is setting off alarms. I'd really like if someone could explain their scumread on him cause I don't see it >_<//

I don't scum-read him in every game. Sometimes his positions don't just make sense, they parallel my own. And when that happens, he's town as fuck and I don't care who disagrees.

That is not happening this game.

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cause I don't see anything wrong with his posts. and I seriously don't get why the hell every other player besides me is scumreading him, which is setting off alarms. I'd really like if someone could explain their scumread on him cause I don't see it >_<//

I don't scum-read him in every game. Sometimes his positions don't just make sense, they parallel my own. And when that happens, he's town as fuck and I don't care who disagrees.

That is not happening this game.

Meh. Experiential meta is a lot more complicated than this implies, but strongly parallel reads has been a town alignment indicator. However on one occasion where he was scum and my townpile was fucking riddled with scum (thanks, Cabd ) he was happy to "parallel" most of my reads.

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Meh. Experiential meta is a lot more complicated than this implies, but strongly parallel reads has been a town alignment indicator. However on one occasion where he was scum and my townpile was fucking riddled with scum (thanks, Cabd ) he was happy to "parallel" most of my reads.

So a lot of the times when our reads agree, we've both been town.

But then there was that one time where I faked it because I was scum. That's also the only scumBRO/townffery game in existence.

I don't get what point you're trying to make here.

I said it's

complicated

. And the more I think about it the more complicated it is.

I scumread you in Xenogears mostly for behavioral stuff, not reads.

In Death's Diner I was mostly townreading because of - get this - NY165, where I thought you were town. I have a huge pile of experiential meta now, but my original conclusions from some of that meta was bad.

If I had my read of you fully worked out in my head, I would either have my vote on you or I'd maybe be null-towning you or something. I can't see a path to "oh hell yes BRO is obvtown" given what you've put in the thread.

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Bert you're better than that. Is this a Castle or Touhou?

What is this about?

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What does Bert have to do with this game?

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Ffery! Are you around?

I am now. Sup, Nacho?

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Vote: mastin2

If you can sort Mastin that would be awesome. Is this on the basis of Wayne's comparison?

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That was nacho.

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IF you are town, Nacho, this vote is bad and you should feel bad. (BUT NOTE THAT THIS IS A BIG FREAKIN HUGE WHOPPING "IF"!) Or, put another way...
If Nacho, </3.

If GiF...fuck off.

I've seen this reaction already.

I must admit it felt like a pretty shitty OMGUS from over here.

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Seen the reaction from Mastin in another game?

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Hi GiF.

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Do you have a scumpile? Want to talk about it?

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Mastin, the more you ramble on about this shit the more I want to vote you just to make it stop.

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But I'm saying I'm town anyway. I'm not using the meta as part of that defense, though. I'm town. Blatantly obviously town. Seriously, SERIOUSLY town this game. I couldn't be more town if I tried. I don't say that often. Hell, I don't think I've ever said it as scum. But I'm not town for meta. I'm town because I'm town. Meta comes into the picture purely on the offensive front.

Holy fuck if you repeat this shit again I'm going to park my vote on you, call it policy, and let ffery handle the day to day operations until you're dead or we're dead.

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do you disagree, cabd?

He doesn't disagree. Just didn't have as strong opinion as I did.

Though that said, morph's probably town. (The real concern is on Psychlone and GP.)

this is true. i'm worried by the lack of presence from both in the thread.

I'm feeling a little better. I'm hydraing with Nacho in some other games and I know it's hellish trying to synch since his laptop was stolen.

can you expand? im trying to think but it's not coming too me about RW.

I didn't play that game but it has to do with rebalancing the numbers after a one shot day vig plus lynch on day 1 in this game paralleling something with a similar balance effect in the RW game.

thezmon's reaction was weird. pie is claiming compulsive d1 dayvig and he's still trying to throw dirt on it. meeeh

It was, but do scum stick their neck out like that to throw suspicion and discredit on a potential town PR? If pieguyn hadn't already wigged out about our vote and indicated he's be proving himself before day end maybe it would have looked less genuine. maybe.

good to see you did re-evauluate the game to fake your reads, scum

Nah, I haven't re-evaluated the game yet,

you just made a really big post and voted for me

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Is a big post and a vote on you scummy?

i want to be snarky but that's ffery's job.

I have to feel snarky to be snarky.

to be fair, i don't think this style is alignment-indicative. i recall having the same issue with the way he caught up in xenogears D2 (the post he wrote during N1).

the thing i don't like about BRO's posts is the amount of nothing in his posts prior to just recently. the series of post-responses he was producing earlier in the game had very little game-relevant content and he said he was busy "finding scum" but never actually looked to be trying to find any scum. also the way he sheeped me onto both the wayne and mafiassk wagons irked me.

Yeah this sums it up pretty well.

Since apparently nobody wants to lynch Thez anymore.

See my question to Mac above.

Do you have a scumpile? Want to talk about it?

Kinda. Not solid yet though, given the time we spent on this game.
Not yet.

Soon, please

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Wake me up when shit starts making sense, ffery.

VOTE: mastin

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Your threats don't scare me, scum

You know, I'll be honest. I get the vibe from BROseidon that he's trying to paint our fight as townVtown. By which, I mean...not that he's town. Not that he "thinks" I'm town. That he's scum, pushing me as 'scum', in the hopes that he'll be written off as town at only the slight cost of me being similarly written off. (Especially since said cost could, in theory, come after my mislynch, and people reading our fight would go, "meh, looks TvT to me".)

Comments like this SCREAM that to me. That he's scum-trying-to-fake-tunneling-town.

To elaborate on this a bit. Nacho if he's town should be able to understand it when I...*shudder*...can't believe I'm doing this, but it's the only example that comes to mind...bring up Walking Dead. As scum, against AD, I used this tactic because it's a decent offensive technique, and because it's also a good defensive technique. I was using it more defensively than offensively, but still, it has a great variety of uses, and is surprisingly-handy. It's also something that can signify cornered scum, which BRO also kinda gives off the vibes of. He's a competent player, but that doesn't mean he's immune to being caught as scum.

Another example that comes to mind is my last newbie game where I was scum. (Forget the number, but it's notable players include JasonWazza and uctriton00. And enomis. And Lucky2u. And RadiantCowbells. I don't remember the other players or the moderator, but I'm sure you can find it.) I used this exact same tactic against uctriton, and it almost worked, too!

I've been rereading our games. I feel like I have enough experiential meta now to make some sort of sense out of this.

I had a scum vibe about you pretty early in the WD game, but Nacho talked me out of it for a day or 2. Then we both wanted to lynch you.

I reread Buzzword Bingo and the Chosen game, too. Haven't gotten to day 1-2 of xenogears yet.

There are things you're doing in this game that set off alarms, but not the same stuff that set off alarms in the two games we've played where you were scum. But, I do think there are at least some parallels to the buzzword game, at least in terms of the challenges scum should face. The problem for scum in that game was the web of mutual town reads that sprang up in the first 10 or so pages. It didn't leave room to hide and it didn't leave room for many mislynches.

I feel like this game should ALMOST be that way given the player list, but instead firming up town reads has been a pain in the butt.

I have a tenuous town read on NachoGiF. Very tenuous.

I want to understand what Nacho is talking about, re having seen something like your OMGUS in another game.

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UNVOTE

VOTE: Varsoon

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Mastin is actually defending. Instead of going mute. Just saying...

Have you seen him go mute as scum?

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He goes mute as town, then?

I've never seen this in any games I've played with him of any alignment.

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Actually, I think I kinda take that back. During Buzzword Bingo he talked about going quiet as town when waiting for data on a player to materialize or a read to solidify. But, that was in a specific context and not related to defending himself from lynch votes.

He was scum in that game, but I think he was being honest about going into observation mode as town sometimes.

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I don't understand your comment re lynching us. BoP?

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Shutup and readslist asap, if youre town, varsoon. bork is online and youre hammered.

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hmmm, 6/10

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i've seen worse gambits

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UNVOTE:

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you can stop flailing now varsoon.

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I can't believe you fell for that shit.

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You would have claimed at l-1 anyways.

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1. BROseidon TOWN
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien) NULL
3. Mac SCUM
5.

mastin2 TOWN

6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd) LEAN SCUM
7.

pieguyn LEAN TOWN

8.

Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8) NULL LEAN TOWN

9. thenewearth LEAN SCUM
10. thezmon221 LEAN SCUM
11. Varsoon THE DOCTOR YOU DENSE FUCKS
12. waynegg SCUM FUCK LYNCH KILL DESTROY FUCK YOU WAYNE
13. zMuffinMan LEAN SCUM

Bolded are the town reads I am very sure of. I'm a little shaky on BRO since he was really convincing in previous games.[/quote]

Borkgame. Xenoblade. Death's Diner. Xenogears doesn't count.

Town-You has yet to read me correctly in any game we have ever played.

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Ah.
Yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember that.

My original plan was to doc you and one of Mac/Psychlone.
Psych because he's a likely NK and Mac because he jokingly claimed cop.

I think that mac's push on me and a lot of his long-winded posts are a bit too forceful/making tons of appeals, even flimsy ones. I'm used to town Mac having a lot less venom.

P-EDIT: @Morph: Doesn't mean that I'm incorrectly reading you now. There's a first time for everything.

This isn't that time. :/

It's become a curiosity.

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Wasn't my wagon only Mac, Pieguy, Wayne, and Morph?

Pie's PR forces me to assume he's town.

I don't like any of the other people on my wagon, though.

Morph, you can't just keep saying I never read you correctly. That's, like... another form of the trust-tell, essentially.

Quite ironic that you'd be upset at us for missing your crumb when the feeling is mutual.

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I bet cabd fell off his couch...

Not really. It's not like I have an exclusive contract with the gambit gods.

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Varsoon, why is mastin so town that he's more town than pie on your list, when pie's proven PR makes him practically confotown?

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And what I think is the most important question of all of this: Where the fuck are muffin and thez?

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He means talking about ongoings. He got a siteban in the past for it. I'm happy to inform, you, waynegg; that's there's a specific exception JUST FOR YOU!

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NOT OKAY: "Zoraster is alive in 4 games where he's posting lengthy posts. <The violation here is mentioning that the posts are LONG. This is a substantive statement.>
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[morph the cat]

If Mac ever flips and he's scum, he has a habit of not interacting with other scum. The only two players he hasn't interacted with are thezmon and BRO.

This bit of meta is stale, wayne.

[morph the cat]

And these are my untouchables

11. Varsoon
7. pieguyn
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
13. zMuffinMan
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8)

Ffery says she was whiplash, by the way.

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i notice you don't care much for ffery's read on me

I'll be over here in the sad corner of sads, along with all the other non-ffery hydra heads that don't matter.

[morph the cat]

Two different paths, same end point.

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Morph the Cat is annoying. I can't read Cabd, apparently. Also, there's some other guy in that hydra that wants me to recognize him. Hey other guy. Why are you two so compliant?

fferyllt. You've played with me as hydrae only - Rift Adrift (deaths diner), Selkies (borkgame), 2 (xenoblade) Sound of Silence (xenogears) and now Morph.

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Mac

, you should know by now that I almost never work with the team. I can't trust other players. I really can't even trust wayne this game, so...
UNVOTE:

That said, I typically play towards my wincon as both factions.

I also don't know where people are getting the idea that I'm good at reading you. I'm usually pretty shit at reading people in general. If I ever make a huge case for someone, it's usually because I'm very wrong or very scum. I've caught scum a few times with exaggerated cases, but not nearly as many times as I have with half-assed gut-based rubbish.

When I dropped off the Pieguy wagon, I never put my vote onto another scum-pick of mine because my scum-choices at the time were being influenced by my scum-read on Pieguy. Pie's interactions were selective, and if Pie was/is scum, it looked like him speaking directly to certain players either because they were team-mates or he saw them as powerful allies. They would join him or die, 'cus he's got day vig. He's got day vig. Now we know that he's got a day vig.

Yeah, my power protects two different players at night. I can't self-target. It's a cool power, but I'm pretty shit at PRs. I should be perma-locked to being VT/Scum every game.

I don't know what to think.

Current reads and why. Color-coded for no one's convenience.

BROseidon's

leading a death-campaign on Mastin, but it feels like genuine town-BRO. At the same time, I don't wanna get fooled again.

Mastin

is a town-read of mine, but I don't know if the conflict with BRO is town versus town. I don't want to write it off as such.

zMuffin

is usually really active from my experience with him. I don't know -what- to make of him this game.

TNE

is actually showing some coherent thought--usually he just makes lots of noise and not lots of content. I like his play, but it feels too metered, paced, and cogent.

Mac is Mac.

A little more venom than I'm used to, but I'm fairly certain he's town.

Wayne

is really opportunistic this game. He's been on a lot of wagons, including mine. His first vote of Morph is not substantial, but he's voted for me, zMon, zMuffin, Morph, Mastin, Mac over the course of the game. I also don't like his claim in light of him catching my crumb. Still, I could be absolutely wrong, so I don't have much faith in this read. He also wrote wigglewiggle, which is now a scum-tell of mine.

Psychlone

is dangerous. I'm town-reading the slot because it's got a lot of the signs of town-GIF and town-Nacho, but I'm also noided.

Ghost Penguin

feels like a ghost. The slot has made a few plays, but I don't have a definitive read on it. I constantly forget this slot exists.

Pieguyn

is frustrating. I hate his logic, his interactions, and everything, but I can't fathom a D1 scum vig existing, so I guess he can be town.

thezmon

was an early wagon that fell apart. Why? I think he might actually be scum. Has been laying pretty low. I dunno. Worried about this slot.

Morph the Cat

is annoying. I can't read Cabd, apparently. Also, there's some other guy in that hydra that wants me to recognize him. Hey other guy. Why are you two so compliant?

VOTE: Waynegg

Fuck it, the die is cast.

Lynching an un-counterclaimed claimed PR on day 1 is once in a while a good play. I don't think it is a good play this time.

[morph the cat]

VOTE: BRO

Psychlone when one of you are around let's talk reads.

[morph the cat]

Man I am ~so~ glad varsoon, so called master of crumbs, has totally realized what I'm trying to say and has moved on.

[morph the cat]

Is that what you want?

Nope. I want you to come to your own conclusions.

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Less self-depreciation. I'm pretty lost ATM too, and ffery's about 24 hours late on her sleep.

There's a deadline looming on us, so I'm gonna re-read the thread some.

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You were right about Mac...

Your observation that he was lurking during the wee hours of the UK morning or whatever reminded me of technical reasons why people (including me) sometimes appear online when they aren't.

I once was accused of lurking a game in the middle of the night because my phone browser was auto-refreshing every 5 minutes or so. :/

I'd rather judge Mac based on what I know for sure - his posts.

But, I'm not really in any sort of shape to judge squat due to lack of sleep. bbl.

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Giffycho, you guys gonna do anything? Starting to worry me....

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Lol dat xposting

But, I'm not really in any sort of shape to judge squat due to lack of sleep. bbl.

Yeah, you do that, silly. LMK when you wake up.

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8am is the wee hours?

'tis for my sort of sleep schedule. I wouldn't wake up till noon if I had it my way. I guess you'd have to ask mac his occpation/class schedule.

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This post was made at 9:20 AM UK time. I noticed he was online a while before the post was made. Sounds like it's not out of the question he took that much time to catch up and compose a wall.

I'm feeling a little better. I'm hydraing with Nacho in some other games and I know it's hellish trying to synch since his laptop was stolen.

understandable from nacho, but lack of content from gif is scaring me. and a lack of presence and cursing from ghostlin too.

It was, but do scum stick their neck out like that to throw suspicion and discredit on a potential town PR? If pieguyn hadn't already wigged out about our vote and indicated he's be proving himself before day end maybe it would have looked less genuine. maybe.

i had some strong feelings that it was a bit like pressuring pie into actually following through with his word, but i may need to re-read and double check.

And yet again, if you thought that mastin was scum

Why were you voting thez?

you're better than this.

oh varsoon you're case is really just "you're push on me is scummy so you are scum." 1) whether it's "bad" is down to opinion. I don't think it was bad and up until recent posts I thought I had nailed scum. let's see...

Your initial logic for voting me was to cite posts/votes made by the Metal Sonic head of my previous Hydra? That's a poor appeal to make. I was voting you for that, but even if I said so, most players would chalk up my vote as an OMGUS, so I saved the idiots the trouble of foaming at the mouth.

my bad about the metal sonic thing, I'm going to assume you are being honest and had no say in it. still, I also compared it too your "wriggle wriggle" cheeky-scum routine in lylo of gears which you've conveniently missed.

You also said that I dropped off Pie's wagon when I realized he was town. No shit. How is that a scum move? If I was scum, wouldn't I -know- Pie were town all along?

what I actually said:

when his one scumread, pieguy, turns out to be fucking town, he runs away saying he needs to re-evaluate the game

ie you didn't vote for another scumread, you just shyed away from the light., big difference and a big misrep.

There's no agenda this game, because I'm town, and I don't need to look town, or play town, or do anything town at all.

ahahahaha sorry but this attitude is fucking terrible. why bother playing mafia if you are not gonna play to a fucking wincon?

All I need to do is find scum, and I can take my time doing so.

town works as a team varsoon. you know this as much as fucking anyone in this game.

Also, speaking of scum -looking- like they're doing something, this is exactly what I see you doing here, which makes for a funny case of projecting that you're up to.

i have no iddea what you are saying here. i'm scummy for making a case and people sheeping it?

2 shot 2 player doc as your claim. i take it 2 player means two different players?

UNVOTE:

You're usually decent on Mac. Why is he scum? You mean you aren't going to Doc me tonight?

with all due respect to varsoon, he's evidently not great at reading me. i'm not sure why you think he's decent on me or why you're putting your eggs in his basket.

What makes you think so?

Also, I'm good with a mac lynch.

Vote: Mac

Lurking and skipping the recent hubbub so he can come in tomorrow and act all surprised with some fake pour it on about how I should feel bad and blahblahblah.

hahaha. at least you know you should feel bad.

He was around

actually, I was asleep. nice try though.

If Mac ever flips and he's scum, he has a habit of not interacting with other scum. The only two players he hasn't interacted with are thezmon and BRO.

if you are going to meta, do it right. i have no idea where you got this little gem from, but it's wrong. just an fyi!

Several of is have voiced our suspicions of thez. Several others theirs on BRO. We all have our shortcomings, but Varsoon is pretty good with Mac. So, that's the scum team as far as I'm concerned and I'll live and die by it. I won't be obnoxious pushing it, but I probably won't follow any other wagon for now.

you are honestly ridiculous. i don't know what fucking planet you live on where varsoon had suddenly become supermacreader (BIG HINT: HE'S NOT (no offence!)) so tell me, where did you get that from and are you sure you're not trying to pin a mislynch on varsoon?

why is everyone so convinced varsoon can read me? bizarre.

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8am is the wee hours?

I don't know when you saw him online. I know when you started talking about seeing him. And that wasn't anywhere near 8 am UK time.

[morph the cat]

What makes you think so?

Also, I'm good with a mac lynch.

Vote: Mac

Lurking and skipping the recent hubbub so he can come in tomorrow and act all surprised with some fake pour it on about how I should feel bad and blahblahblah.

He was around

actually, I was asleep. nice try though.

Nope.

This post was made at 2:45 PM UK time.


This post was made at 8:03 am UK time

He's just frustrated I won't give an answer about how I know Mac was lurking last night, but he was and now he's lying about it so yea.

This post was made at 9:55 pm UK time

If there's another reference to Mac lurking I'm missing it.

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first quotes and comments are a little screwed up, but I think it can be parsed.

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Mastin scum ISO in Buzzword Bingo

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

- no instance of obvtown or obvious town

- One "conftown", in reference to a town player in post 860

- Two "confirmed town" in reference to his scumbuddy in post 1248, 1262

- One "I'm town and you are too" about himself and his scum partner in post 1252

- One "you have to trust me that I'm town" in post 1700

- One "I'm town" in post 1702

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hey morph

did you ever look into TNE's meta? iirc it was something you said you were doing at some point in this game

Not yet because I'm a lazy bastard.

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Mastin scum ISO in Walking Dead

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

All the "obvtown", "obvious town" comments are in reference to other players (ctl-f scan says they were all town players)

All the "conftown", "confirmed town" comments are in reference to town players.

One "confscum" was in reference to the traitor who was recruited (I don't remember if he'd already been recruited at the time of the post and I don't care enough to figure it out right now.

One "confscum" was about a town player that looked somewhat lynchable because lolprincetonscumteam.

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Can you give me your big BRO case?

i've gone over this a few times already, but the gist of it is that his catchup spam earlier in the game lacked any real scum hunting, i didn't like the way he sheeped me onto the thez and mafiaSSK wagons, and his recent responses to mastin feel fake.

why don't you talk about why you think it's his town game?

I think "lack of content" is a really shallow reason for pushing on him. there's content in there but you have to look to see it and I think it's obvious from his posting what his reads were.

it's not about "lack of content" so much as... empty posts? like the scum hunting he's doing is just surface-scratching stuff and there's no

real

effort to look for scum in any of his posts. yeah, i can tell what his reads are, but i don't think the way he arrived at those reads, or the way he's approaching the game in general, looks genuine.

what do you think about all his posts like 1201?

1201 was a town post. here's the thing. if you strip away the arrogance in mastin calling himself obvtown, you're left with mastin (from the pov of mastin-town) trying to figure out why psychlone isn't reading him as town in this game, when nacho has enough experience with mastin that he should be able to differentiate between mastin's town play and mastin's scum play. you can call that mastin talking out of his ass and claiming he's obvtown or whatever, but at that point mastin didn't really have a wagon on him or anything, and i don't think him calling himself town was so much of a defense as a trying-to-figure-out-what's-going-on-with-psychlone thing. which is why it's a town post.

also i was half-joking when i said i don't think mastin would lie about being town (we've already established i'm not very funny). but i really do think the over-the-top way he called himself obvtown here is something he's more likely to do as town than scum - it's hard to fake that kind of confidence, especially when people are calling you scummy and voting you for it. i'm really not sure why so many took issue with it. iirc he did something similar in xenogears (except instead of calling himself obvtown, he called himself conftown) and i don't remember anyone in this playerlist thinking he was scummy for it then.

The two games I've played with scum-Mastin (see above) suggest this observation is on the mark.

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TNE ISO Highlights

I liked his entrance into the thread, and the first post that really gave me a town sense was actually pretty early: 291. I liked that he wasn't avoiding GiF. He didn't back down about Varsoon's early AtE. The question mark, really was his assertion of familiarity with Varsoon's xenogears play. I have'nt really seen TNE as a meta-heavy player, and this was a game he didn't play.

350 is a pretty strong stance on BRO.

356 and next post in ISO are pretty cheeky responses to being scumread by thezmon.

630 reads list is pretty iconoclastic in some ways.

885, 886 cases on his scumreads. This is way more detailed and thoughtful than what I'm used to seeing from TNE. If he's town I hope he'll play like this more often.

Subsequent back and forth with BRO feels very much like someone who thinks they are talking to scum.

I'm townreading the fuck out of this ISO.

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TNE's ISO in hunterxhunterx (scum)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This is one of those ISOs that you can almost evaluate by textual body language. The ratio of one liners to content-rich posts stands out via a quick scan.

333 is his initial reads list. Compared to the one in this game, it's kinda vague and not as strongly stanced.

One item of note - he was pretty late to bus Gamma, who was almost certainly going down with both Vi and Nacho pushing his lynch.

I didn't remember him strongly tunneling anyone, and a quick review of the ISO confirms that.

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356 and next post in ISO are pretty cheeky responses to being scumread by thezmon.

do you think this is something he can't fake as scum?

630 reads list is pretty iconoclastic in some ways.

for me this reads list just seemed to list off all the popular opinions at the time. he had Mac/SSK the two lurkers as null, you/me/giffycho/varsoon town, wayne scum vs. zmuffin town, and bro/thez scum. I'm not too sure what's iconoclastic about that, can you elaborate plz?

I could be misremembering where the townreads and scumreads were trending at that point, but his list did not look like some sort of "average" take. I don't have time to research this in detail right now, but will try to get back to it before the day ends. I don't see myself voting TNE today unless someone I'd trust enough to follow them off a cliff presents an absolutely killer case.

885, 886 cases on his scumreads. This is way more detailed and thoughtful than what I'm used to seeing from TNE. If he's town I hope he'll play like this more often.

that'd be fine but a lot of the stuff in there was invalid. for example the wayne vote on Varsoon that he had already explained. and IMO posting a detailed case doesn't seem at all like something town-TNE would do. that combined with the previous statement makes me unsure on this

TNE's play is extremely variable. This does not look like his scum play at all to me. And IME when someone really shakes up their game, they're more likely to be town than scum because the risks to one's team are less, and because it's a lot easier to be genuine and different than it is to be fake and different - cognitively the latter is a much greater load.

Subsequent back and forth with BRO feels very much like someone who thinks they are talking to scum.

for me it just seemed like he was tunneling BRO the whole game, which again I can't remember him doing as town

I can't remember him doing it as scum. He's more of a float along, look busy, sort of scum player if he has the time. When he doesn't have the time he's a hardcore lurker/flake no matter what his alignment.

damn it

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I pretty much trust that you're town with the usual caveats. I don't know your play well enough to trust your scumdar though I like the methodical nature of your play.

If you really think that TNE is the best lynch, then make the case. I'll try to read it objectively.

Once Cabd is awake and around, I want us both to go through thezmon, GP and BRO. I think our lynch choices are going to lie in that group. NachoGiF' lack of presence bothers me a lot but right or wrong, I value them both so much as players if they are town that I'm willing to see what today/tonight brings and then focus on them tomorrow.

Somebody will probably point and shout that it points to nacho if we wind up dead on night 1. To which I say look at xenogears and the Chosen micro game: two games where we died night 1 and nacho was town. And look at the Dixon Hill hardboiled open game. NachoCabd (Trolling Fairy hydra) were scum in that game and I didn't die until night 3.

Nacho said in the postgame of Buzzword Bingo that he doesn't have to n1k me any more. That's because he can keep me guessing a lot longer than partway through day 1 nowadays.

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Bit on the run at the moment, so more detailed commentary will follow, buuuuuut...

As far as Ghostlin's read on you, mastin2, it changed from town to scummy some time between 11-6 and 11-8. He didn't say why yet. I'm still wary of you for having worried about backtracking on a read that hadn't been established. I get that I tend to look scummy across the board and Ghostlin has a blatant way of showing he's town, but you worrying about how it would look for you to express an opinion that probably any of the people here who've played with me would support or at least understand is off. Town's reads are supposed to change; it's scum that over-justifies any changes.

--PA

Do I feel you're scum? Probably -not-, although PA's kind of pushing for it because you can't read her worth shit. My 'gut' such as it fucking is is reading you Town, but that doesn't mean I entirely trust it.

VOTE: Ghostly Penguin.

Welcome to Not A Fucking Contradiction Theater!

This first vote/post by Mastin where he quotes me and PA isn't a contradiction! Why?

-I've gone from Town to Scummy to Town-ish on Mastin in a span of one week on a read of the thread (keep in mind my scummy read of Mastin happened, at the latest, on 11-8-2013. It's the fucking thirteenth.) It's Day 1. She's probably not lying to you dude, I admit in the post above there are small things that bother me about you.
-PA says she finds you scummyish, I said she's kinda pushing because she finds you scummyish.
-I could use the ultimately lame 'hydra dissonance' argument, but I don't fucking have to, because there's no fucking hydra dissonance. Yes, I liked Mastin for Town slightly less five fucking days ago. Yes, I feel PA probably wants you dead more. Yes, the reasons I go back and forth is between the Micro Les Mis game where you were scum and weren't so...vacillating and that your tenor is slightly different.

You also, in essence, in the fucking thread posted you could be trying to mirror your Town game and that I shouldn't probably trust that. It's the exact reason I asked if you were mindfucking me or not.

So I have a fucking mess of a gut who is telling me this is Town Mastin because his tenor's fucking different than Les Mis, and Mastin himself who openly admit it could change. My read on you is fluid. I don't want to fucking lynch you today for that reason.

("But Ghostlin, what about the interactions that could be confirmed from a Mastin flip?" FUCK YOU. That's the worst reason for voting anyone ever.)

Although reading this lame post makes me almost entirely fucking convinced this is a scum Mastin who's probably salivating over the idea of a mislynch on a slot he'd normally not get, if I was playing stronger and not like a blind-lame horse. (Which I'll own.)

The problem I had with you with the two earlier posts I posted earlier is honestly, mind-fuck is one of scum Ghostlin's favorite games. Post things that are strictly true and make Town fucking sweat about whether or not you're talking out of both of sides of your mouth.

Mastin's freaking out about things he really shouldn't. Guys, if I'm fucking scum, you'll know soon enough.

so mindfuck is one of scum-Ghostlin's favorite games? why the mindfuck here?

also, if you dislike Varsoon's AtE, do you think his doc claim is a fakeclaim?

vote: GP

This...also isn't a contradiction, and seems to come out of seemingly nowhere?

Yes, there's a bit of self meta there, but there's enough people who's read me as scum know I sorta play mindfuck games with the Town. I was indirectly agreeing with BRO, who seems to actually be fucking playing this game. In relation to Mastin, it's in reference to, 'I play X as scum, unless I don't...' (I can find and requote the two posts for you). It's sounds designed for Towns to secondguess themselves. That's not entirely Town motivated.

Here's my biggest problem, Pie, and maybe you won't fucking understand it but here goes: How Var has been playing the last two page is not how Var normally plays. Ffery and whoever her partner is may be good enough to catch scum BRO, but Var doesn't normally fucking go, 'You're right, I fucking suck, LET ME SHEEP YOU.'

If you act that fucking out of character, particularly when you've burned me once with a 'pity me' ATE, I don't care if you claim to be the Mod himself, I'm not going to like it and I'm going to give you another fucking glance. You don't like it, go ahead and fucking hang me, but it's a lousy fucking reason to vote anyone.

This feels genuine. Genuineness doesn't guarantee alignment but still.

If Varsoon is scum fakeclaiming megadoc it won't take long to figure that out.

Cabd and I were talking about your post, and it occurred to me that we've swallowed the megadoc claim pretty easily. This is a mini game.

We ran into a different sort of ridiculously overpowered doc in a recent large normal game which is probably why we didn't blink. :/

PA was in that game. Ask her about the White Mage in NY165.

You still think TNE is the right lynch?

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How Var has been playing the last two page is not how Var normally plays. Ffery and whoever her partner is may be good enough to catch scum BRO, but Var doesn't normally fucking go, 'You're right, I fucking suck, LET ME SHEEP YOU.'

If you act that fucking out of character, particularly when you've burned me once with a 'pity me' ATE, I don't care if you claim to be the Mod himself, I'm not going to like it and I'm going to give you another fucking glance. You don't like it, go ahead and fucking hang me, but it's a lousy fucking reason to vote anyone.

Other head would be Cabd by the way. One point in your theory's favor is that alongside losing xenogears; he won meme mafia II.

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Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-15 01:30:00)

Ugh. I'll stop waffling and make a decision tomorrow morning.

[morph the cat]

would much rather vote tne who has disappeared off the face of the earth.

Kinda here too but ffery is townreading the slot.

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TNE ISO Highlights

I liked his entrance into the thread, and the first post that really gave me a town sense was actually pretty early: 291. I liked that he wasn't avoiding GiF. He didn't back down about Varsoon's early AtE. The question mark, really was his assertion of familiarity with Varsoon's xenogears play. I have'nt really seen TNE as a meta-heavy player, and this was a game he didn't play.

350 is a pretty strong stance on BRO.

356 and next post in ISO are pretty cheeky responses to being scumread by thezmon.

630 reads list is pretty iconoclastic in some ways.

885, 886 cases on his scumreads. This is way more detailed and thoughtful than what I'm used to seeing from TNE. If he's town I hope he'll play like this more often.

Subsequent back and forth with BRO feels very much like someone who thinks they are talking to scum.

I'm townreading the fuck out of this ISO.

^She did her homework and everything

[morph the cat]

And varsoon will work itself out, I guess. If he's alive lategame, fry his ass up solid.

[morph the cat]

looks like zmon will be replaced

I thought he went VLA?

[morph the cat]

FWIW she fell asleep I think so it's just me until morning.

[morph the cat]

Although I did help with the homework so if you have questions I'm able.

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The sad part about all of this, mac, is that my views match yours and ffery talked me out of them. I suppose we'll have an internal standing committee tomorrow morning and hash this out in light of your perspectives.

[morph the cat]

well we know who wears the pants in that hydra

Being the backseat driver sucks. Morph needs a new scum draw.

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I'm the stubborn bastard that wants mastin to shut the fuck up about how "obvtown" he is. Ffery took my vote, it's somewhere more useful probably.

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Oh but if I was serious voting probably thez.

He does scummy shit, muffin goes and offers another perspective, and then both go and hide. The fuck is up with that?

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Mind you it's 3am and I've been drinking and i'm tired as fuck, but muffin has not impressed me at all in the past few days either, and I think i'm over the mancrush I had on his early posting.

[morph the cat]

Like uh.... he felt sorta like he got some towncred and then got the fuck out of dodge to let the shootouts happen and come loot the survivors?

[morph the cat]

It appears my sleep deprived state aligns with your natural way of thinking, mac. I don't know if that's more interesting and says something about you or about me.

[morph the cat]

Ugh that game gives both heads PTSD.

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null - {wayne}

Even with his claim on the board?

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Fair enough. I see where you're coming from on that.

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TNE I SEE YOU POSTING THAR GET CHO ASS IN HERE

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Arceus damn you

Fixed.

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You've been playing with me long enough to know why

So

Explain pl0x.

<3

Also...

@Mod: V/LA 2 days

Still sorting out my budget and schedule for this this sem

Day ends in under two irl days, TNE. Do something or die.

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WHY ARE YOU NOT LYNCHING BRO?!

Probably because we either townread him, or because you've not done enough to convince us to sheep you. Or both!

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This is one of the reasons I hate the use of meta so much.
Attitude meta and gut-meta stuff, I can dig
But game metas are just being abused now.

#freethemeta2013

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is cabd the one posting right now?

Ffery went to bed and all I'm left with is this cup of gatorade vodka, and some tea. And this lovely keybaord and mouse.

Probably because we either townread him, or because you've not done enough to convince us to sheep you. Or both!

what is this?

you're voting for BRO, aren't you?

Oh, she is? I stopped paying attention to the vote after I voted mastin and told her to do with it what she wanted. I'll go look.

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VOTE: BRO

Psychlone when one of you are around let's talk reads.

Oh hey she did. Ok then. I guess I get to talk with her about this in the morning... well, given i'm still up at 4:30, more like tomorrow evening.

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do you really believe my lack of activity has anything to do with this game?

what's your actual read on me?

Not really.

I myself have a stale townread on you. Heck if I know what she has, but she'll probably be awake in like three hours to tell you.

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I'm sorta behind ever since i told mastin to go die in a fire. She just woke up, so i'll crash and put her on the line. You guys like her better anyways.

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I'ts 5:30 am. I'm probably going back to sleep.

Cabd tells me we're going to argue about TNE.

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tne did a similar wall/case like the one on bro on peacebringer in chef's mafia, here

havent looked any deeper than that though, too much effort at the moment.

I didn't ever want to look at that game again.

I guess I have to :/

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And you don't value me?

Do you actually feel like this is a reasonable question?

I have your content so far to evaluate.

The problem with nachogif is lack of content, but they both have reasons they can't post much atm and it's a site-wide thing. GiF just replaced out of a ton of games a couple days ago, and Nacho's laptop was stolen.

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tne did a similar wall/case like the one on bro on peacebringer in chef's mafia, here

havent looked any deeper than that though, too much effort at the moment.

What is similar about them in your opinion?

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@Ghostlin:

can you plz explain your definition of "mindfuck"? I don't think we're interpreting it as the same thing.

I also don't see how this

Guys, if I'm fucking scum, you'll know soon enough.

isn't designed to make town second guess themselves?

And you don't value me?

Do you actually feel like this is a reasonable question?

I didn't read it as serious

I hope you're wrong. :/

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about that whole post? I know I'm tired as shit right now but I didn't think it was that bad 0.0

It's about what he's not doing atm, which is making a real effort to change my mind. If he's given recent indication he's scum-reading me I haven't seen it, and thinking I'm scum is the only reason I can see for not caring that I'm scumreading him and have my vote on him. If he thinks I'm town, then he knows that sometimes my reads take on a life of their own after I flip town, for good or ill.

also, if I'm talking to ffery, how was my case on TNE

It explains why you think he's scum very well. Cabd and I are going to discuss TNE, BRO, thez, GP pretty thoroughly once he's awake and sober and stuff. Well, maybe not GP. I think Cabd agrees with me that the one post from last night that I pointed up actually reads pretty town.

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tne did a similar wall/case like the one on bro on peacebringer in chef's mafia, here

havent looked any deeper than that though, too much effort at the moment.

What is similar about them in your opinion?

both feel forced & scraping the barrel for reasons. for example, his wall in chefs mafia points 2 & 4 are practically the same (if you don't have solid reads, you probably won't chase the same target) and in this wall i feel "useless commentator" and "fluff poster" come under the same category - plus for commentator, he's basically just quoted posts, some of which are game-related and it feels like he's hoping someone puts 1+1 together for him. plus baseless accusations of cheating for both. overall both cases are weak.

although bros recent installment has me paranoid now. 1 day to go and that was the best he could come up with? also i expect some paranoid comment about the way im defending him. instead he seems content to let me go on with it. maybe allowing me to link myself with him, i dont know.

Do you think there are reasons that he missed and shouldn't have if he seriously thought BRO is scum?

I'm not sure why it caught my eye, but the format differences in the cases could be significant. quotestripes vs postlinks. I use either or both, depending on how I'm overall constructing my case, but I think the postlinks structurally make the case a little harder to follow.

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tne did a similar wall/case like the one on bro on peacebringer in chef's mafia, here

havent looked any deeper than that though, too much effort at the moment.

What is similar about them in your opinion?

both feel forced & scraping the barrel for reasons. for example, his wall in chefs mafia points 2 & 4 are practically the same (if you don't have solid reads, you probably won't chase the same target) and in this wall i feel "useless commentator" and "fluff poster" come under the same category - plus for commentator, he's basically just quoted posts, some of which are game-related and it feels like he's hoping someone puts 1+1 together for him. plus baseless accusations of cheating for both. overall both cases are weak.

although bros recent installment has me paranoid now. 1 day to go and that was the best he could come up with? also i expect some paranoid comment about the way im defending him. instead he seems content to let me go on with it. maybe allowing me to link myself with him, i dont know.

Do you think there are reasons that he missed and shouldn't have if he seriously thought BRO is scum?

I'm not sure why it caught my eye, but the format differences in the cases could be significant. quotestripes vs postlinks. I use either or both, depending on how I'm overall constructing my case, but I think the postlinks structurally make the case a little harder to follow.

i'm not sure. he did seem to mix himself up a bit early on, describing bro as scum for jumping on the most popular wagon (varsoon) and then bro claimed thez was more popular at the time which tne described as worse

Plus, the only vote you did was a varsoon vote. ON THE WHOLE GAME
TO TOP IT ALL OFF
IT WAS THE MOST POPULAR WAGON OF IT'S TIME

Scuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzz

5) Thez was more popular than Varsoon.

5) WELL THAT MAKES IT WORSE THEN

which i found pretty bizarre.

Bizarre. Is it scummy?

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yes, it's scummy.

You know what I would want to do if I was caught in a misstatement as scum? The same thing I'd do as town, retract the statement and move on with the rest of my case.

That's me.

Overall I feel like "ah ha! That makes it worse!" comes from a place of confidence that I associate more with town than with scum, with the exception of a very few players who are as cheeky or more cheeky as scum as they are when town.

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morph, what do you make of bro just ignoring the fact that im hard defending him right now? strange, or normal?

Did he ignore being defended in Xenogears? In Death's Diner he actually appealed to Syr/Me (Rift) when he was getting scumread by the rest of the Dethy and it spilled over into the rest of the game on day 1. He was in there making his own defense to parallel what we did on his behalf.

I'm going to check NY165 to see how he reacted in that game. He was scum.

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Hey Mac! Look what I found.

From NY 165

481 DOMO busses BRO.

533 - orcinus townreads BRO hard. It was based on xenoblade meta, but orcinus couldn't say at the tiime. He thought BRO's play was nothing like his play in Xenoblade where orcinus was his scumbuddy. Orcinus retracted the town read because it was timing-based and he had the timing of a post down wrong. BRO was absent for about 4 days during all this and the heat had died down

[urlhttp://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=5056743#p5056743]post 1034[/post] BRO invites himself to my townbloc. Including this just because my townbloc was riddled with scum in that game.

Ok, so meh. BUT! THERE'S MORE!

Later in the game, my townread was frayed around the edges and I suggested BRO belonged in the scumpile.

orcinus invokes xenoblade meta to say BRO's town in post 3229.

I counter-argue

orcinus argues back And in the very next post, BRO makes an appearance, and says NOTHING about orcinus defending or me expressing concerns.

Next page is my updated reads list.

So, yeah. Maybe not smoking-gun definitive but that's an interesting parallel to this game.

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@ffery, why didn't you look at a town-baseline that didn't have weird circumstantial shit to see how I respond to other people defending me?

Because due to hellacious time constraints I'm mostly focusing on games I know for meta right now. If I know the game, then I know who defended you and when. If you want to suggest some games and names, that would be great, but massive unfocused meta searches are not happening this week.

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I totally forgot about rach's game. I don't remember anyone defending you but it's a relatively short read if it comes to that.

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Or she was attacking me. It was a strange interaction.

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Or she was attacking me. It was a strange interaction.

I don't remember it that well :/

Yeah I reread most of day 1, especially the part where she disrupted my line of questioning about your vote, which started here.

She wasn't really defending you. And you did interact with her a bit. meh. What orcinus did in NY 165 was actual defense, though not as strong as Mac's was.

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UNVOTE

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Cabd told me he disagreed with me last night. I thought he was going to unvote while we sort ourselves out but he didn't.

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sleeping.

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I mean overall.

Do you normally drive the hydra?

Overall he's made probably somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the posts. After mastin's burst of holyshit over nacho's read, he took a short break, but he's been back.

He drives the hydra when we draw scum, but I've been working on that because it's a pretty obvious morph-tell.

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His last post in the game was about 24 hours ago, but it was pretty one-sided after he voted Mastin.

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When he wakes up. It's 6:15 am here.

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Cabd told me he disagreed with me last night. I thought he was going to unvote while we sort ourselves out but he didn't.

when does this happen?

Hi.

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Oh and also the urge to lynch arcangel is rising in me greatly. Do something, anything, except for replacing in and then not posting.

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I dunno mastin, arcangel slot is still a scumread of ours as well. Muffin kind of put a bandaid on it, but none of the recent events have helped, and those damn bandaids always fall off as soon as you get used to them.

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Aside from their softclaim and how they've been handling it, the overall vibe from their posting is definitely the town-them I'm used to seeing.

they said they had no completed games as town wtf

No completed town games in this hydra. That's 4 games. I have nearly 50 completed games on site as my main or as other hydrae. And Cabd has a ton of games as well. mastin has played a fair few of them.

@morph:

have you two sorted TNE yet?

We don't intend to vote TNE today. For Cabd it comes down to BRO or AA9. He doesn't want to see AA9 lurk her way to another scum victory. For me, I think I can sort AA9 given more input, and I feel very sure that Nacho can sort her, too.

Our virtual vote is on BRO atm.

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What happened to you being unsure of Nacho/GiF?

A little thing called content happened.

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Spoiler: psychlone content between those two posts

Mac's banter with Varsoon is awesome.

Also, Mac's latest catchup feels pretty good except for the rolefish on ffery/cabd.

yo this reasoning sucks

If it were some random player, I'd have no reason at all to call the vote on me suspicious. But when it's NACHO voting me? (Or, for that matter, Ghostlin not having me as a townread?) HELL YES. Voting me and having it be serious is a scumtell. A town-Nacho right now knows DAMN well and good that I'm town, here.

I don't scumread you as quickly and accurately as I used to. Twice I felt scum-mastin in the early game, didn't act on it, let scum-mastin coast. Don't you expect me to refine how I approach you after reading you wrong twice? I'm concerned with how you're handling your interactions with me so far today; in Walking Dead and Chain of Command, you ended up interacting with me more than you usually do to the point where it was excessive. Here, you're pretty much ignoring me and putting me in the "not worried about me yet pile" (perfectly okay), but you're clearly suspicious of us to some extent and not trying to push it at all. Why? Are you trying to fake paranoia of us and not going all the way in with it? Do you think reaching out to me wouldn't be effective? I expect you to seek some sort of reassurance in the early game if you're paranoia or at least get thoughts down on the table about things that I'm doing in case you die early.

The problem lies in how they're not assessing that and realizing it's just paranoia.

I get a lot of paranoid pings about your play from time to time, and usually, I shrug them off and say that I'm being paranoid. Usually when I see some things going wrong with your play I take a step back and give you some room because there are a lot of elements in your scumplay in your townplay so a couple of pings are very rarely anything definitive. This game, I acted on that paranoia instead of instantly dismissing it, and I'm extremely glad that I did.

Mastin, the more you ramble on about this shit the more I want to vote you just to make it stop.

It's not a case of the scum rambles, though.

I want to understand what Nacho is talking about, re having seen something like your OMGUS in another game.

So, Mastin read. Most of the things that I see from him are decent as far as him looking town goes; his dropping reads into the thread was good, his comments on the game state were good, his confidence in his own towniness was good. But I felt like most of his early game play was too focused on image maintenance as opposed to him scumhunting and looking town as a result of it; him going "whoops, I'm obvtown already" in his #14 felt good at first because it was very confident and a hard thing to sell as scum that early in the game with a straight face. His analysis at that point was seriously lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

I think that mac's push on me and a lot of his long-winded posts are a bit too forceful/making tons of appeals, even flimsy ones. I'm used to town Mac having a lot less venom.

Scum-Mac has even less venom.

but lack of content from gif is scaring me.

GiF has things going on and didn't learn about until recently. He'll be back in a week or so, so you'll have to deal with me in the meantime.

Ugh that game gives both heads PTSD.

HA

I'm hitting skim mode because reads are pretty decently developed at this point but

Vote: BROseidon

TOWN BLOCK:
{morph, mastin2, Mac, pieguyn, Varsoon, (waynegg who is probably town because claim but still)}

I'm willing to give AA9 a fuckload of room since we're pretty much immortal based on the number of PR claims outed at the moment and I'm guessing she'll be caught up by Day 3 or so.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I'm pretty sure I caught what your crumb was, and that the only reason I'm not conf-towning you is because I know Cabd is a gambit-ey player?

What's the benefit as scum with the claim?

Nacho your trajectory on your mastin read is literally garbage.

Is literally great, actually. Why don't you like it?

This makes it look like you should be scumreading mastin.

It does. I'm not scumreading mastin though.

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That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Yeah, I'm ending the gameday with a townread on psychlone. I used to be able to get a read on him in way fewer posts than he's put into this game. Then he figured it out and screwed up one of the most awesome player-specific tells I ever found.

My read accuracy and speed has been steadily increasing since then, with one notable exception.

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ARCANGEL

I see you posting elsewhere. Are you caught up here? What are your reads and thoughts?

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Morph the cat - which heads involved here???

We're both active today. Cabd is more interested in lynching you right now than I am, as you might be able to discern from post 1640

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Yep we're Cabd, Orcinus, Buldermar, and Ffery. Ffery is totally the one wearing the pants right now though!

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You're really easy to troll. Lovely.

(it's just cabd and ffery, for the record)

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wow, that's one hell of the hydra then..
ffery - You know me quite well and how i play. I am town. so lets talk about your opinion and who else you all think is scum apart from me?

I do think I'll be able to read you with more interaction. I doubt I'll have a strong read by the end of the game day.

Cabd and I are working on a probably final-for-the-day reads list right now.

You are scum by PoE, in part, plus some really off-feeling play by thezmon, somewhat (but not entirely) mitigated by his reaction to pieguyn's dayvig gambit.

BRO was at L-1 this morning, and I unvoted him because Cabd was less sure about that read than I am. We plan to put the vote back pretty soon.

TNE is at null, but by PoE either he or one of the players we're townreading also must be scum.

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BRO, how the hell are any of (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn) confirmed anything? Last I checked there's no announced IC and none of the players listed have flipped.

Do you think scum would have an executioner in a 13p game?

That's not an answer. Try one of those instead.

Pie hasn't killed anyone so still not confirmed.

Somebody throw a vote on BRO so my intent has teeth please.

He killed MafiaSSK.

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because morph this game has felt off to me and i'm not really sure why so many people are town-reading them when nothing about their play has struck me as particularly town. they've been all over the place and kind of a mess, and i'm not seeing the sort of confident stances i'm used to seeing from the ffery head. it really feels like they've just been going with the flow of things for most of the game and trying not to draw much attention to themselves.

You are aware of at least a couple of the games that took some of the starch out of my confidence recently. I'm in a mode of figuring out what went wrong, and wanting more basis for my reads. That may last through a few games.

Confident stances come from strong reads - strong consensus reads when I hydra - and I haven't had them for a fair chunk of this game day. Mac and Psychlone making themselves town helps a ton in that regard. I wish I felt more strongly that you're town, but it is what it is.

Town {Mac, Mastin, Psychlone, Pie, Varsoon¹, Wayne¹}
Not as Town {zmuffinman, Ghostly_Penguin}
Null {TNE², AA³]}
Scum {BROseidon}

1 - either of those reads could change based on how things look on day 2.
2 - this read could slip, and is already influenced by the PoVs of some of my town reads, but I'm not willing to vote him today.
3 - as Cabd indicated, we moved thez out of the scumpile mostly on the basis of zmuffin's argument that scum-thez wouldn't have reacted to pie the way thez reacted. Maybe. Maybe that should be enough to move the slot to town, but I'm not feeling it.

I'm tempted to collapse null into scum because three is probably the magic number, but the differences in read strength are substantive.

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@morph:

do you think TNE might have been trying to bus BRO?

Not necessarily. They are independent reads.

Do you think TNE's tunnel suggests BRO is town?

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It's not so much about ability to read specific players as it has been misreading players I have played with before, both scumreading town and townreading scum, and doing so with a ton of confidence. Death's Diner is a good example of that. So is NY165. Not all my games have gone that badly, but my play is more tentative right now while I figure out how much I trust my ability to develop reads.

I have never felt all that confident of reading Mastin. But, he's put a lot of himself into this game, and I was leaning town. Nacho's read when he got back to the thread shook me a little because I feel like he's better at reading Mastin than I am. That's when I went off and did some digging in our prior games, and decided I still think Mastin is town. And that made me more unsure about Nacho. His posts from last night, explaining what that push was about were reassuring.

I wanted more data from Mac. I got it. I was able to firm up that read.

For me, Ghostlin's quantity of content has been just barely enough to solidify a read. I usually get a pretty strong sense of being on the same page with him about stuff when he's town. It took a while for that to happen, but it was mostly due to lack of interaction, I think.

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Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

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huh

flavor cop is a weak enough role and so I don't get why it'd be 1-shot to make it even more weak @A@

given the only 1-shot role so far has been a dayvig aka me (relatively strong role), and we already have a flipped VT. not sure here

It's plausible in a near-mountainous. Flavor Cop isn't that much worse than Cop and in the right game, it's arguably better.

I will hammer much closer to deadline, but only to prevent mislynch and I won't be thrilled about it.

This game is near-mountainous? How so? We have claims of a 1 shot dayvig (and the kill to back it up), a 2-target per night doc, a cop that activates on night 2, and now a flavor cop claim.

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Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

Something like the last Wheel of Time game I played one of the scums had a role that if someone could guess the right person behind an alias, they would get an extra kill. It was shitty for Town. I could link that game for you, if you'd like.

A Memory of Light. Cabd and I were both in that game. I was half of Selkies.

And yeah, I remember that mechanic. And that's my point. Who is more likely to benefit from learning a player's flavor given the warning in Bork's wall?

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Really shitty for Town because I capped myself in the face with it. (I was a dreamwalker, the role affected dreamwalkers. Dreamwalkers were a combination non consective commuter/neighborizer under the alias of Aes Sedai. (Blue Sister, Red Sister, Green Sister) It was a fucking awesome role! I got to play with it one night.)

So let's say there's a Touhou character that wears a lot of pink, and scum could kill someone additional if, say, they could link up a lot of pink to a character name and a player slot. I don't know how flavors-que that would be, but there's an example.

Are you saying that Flavor Cop doesn't sound like a town role given what we know of the set up?

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wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Read post 1758 again. pay attention to the double negative.

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Wayne?

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I'm confused because I actiually thought he claimed cop, but I think I had his claim mixed up with when Varsoon asked for the cop to claim way back around post 533

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Play a few more with me and you won't either. Pretty painting btw.

What post are you replying to here?

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Play a few more with me and you won't either. Pretty painting btw.

What post are you replying to here?

no
I mean responding to how you claimed watcher, but then didn't correct me when I said you're cop.

is no one seeing how wayne blatantly lied

You're going to need to say a little more than /wayne here.

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I'm leaving the sorting of this to Cabd. :/ He knows you a hell of a lot better than I do.

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Why? You both know me. And you know the mistakes I make. Is this one if 'em?

Didn't you claim this AFTER Varsoon claimed megadoc?

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Enough. If you're town this is so antitown I'll mark it down as one of the best policy lynches I've had to do ever.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wayne

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People painting me vs Pie as Town Versus Town makes me upset. I did the same thing for a moment with Mala/Nick in Xenogears. I love doing this when one of my scum partners is on the line, especially when the town is likely to be the lynch. One town flips and I can hold the fear of a mislynch over the heads of the townbase. So, to you guys, I am skeptical.

here's the other thing

if you are town, and people painting me vs you as town v town makes you upset, that would imply you believe it's not town v town. which would imply you still think I'm scum. so why all of a sudden did it get reduced to this v

There's definitely scum between Morph and Pieguy.

I can't understand the thought process behind you being two-shot doctor, and you vs me not being town v town, and then that ^ following from this. a more natural deduction would be that I'm scum. however, you're apparently not convinced and would rather say it's either morph or me?

this shows such a great logical inconsistency in your thoughts that I can't understand it. please explain this because I don't get what the hell you're thinking at all > <

Don't forget this one, Varsoon.

Shit made my day.
I'm going to bed.
Nothing better can happen today, haha~

Cabd. I'm night 2 on watcher. Now are you?

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Your crumb was too obvious. If I picked it up, and I suck at crumbs, you were dead anyhow.

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Enough. If you're town this is so antitown I'll mark it down as one of the best policy lynches I've had to do ever.

which head posted this?

Why the fuck does it matter?

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i'm recalling something one of you said early in the game about policy lynching that made me double-take reading that

You can tell us apart by how we vote. That post had a vote.

If this is such a big deal, you're probably better off verifying that than trusting me when I tell you Cabd posted it.

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who posted these?

I would prefer to keep my policy lynch virginity intact

But but but muffin-kun; I'm scared. I hear the first time hurts? ...maybe if it's you. You won't make it hurt, will you?

All three were me. The first two quoted here were jokes. Hence the innocent desu schoolgirl routine.

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wayne, BRO, TNE scumteam of the year 2013?

I doubt they're stupid enough to BOTH claim investigative roles and flub like this.

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hi Cabd didn't ffery want you to definitely sort wayne

or was the result that you wanted to policy lynch him

I don't buy that this is wayne gambiting. His bullshit when he's town gets results and doesn't cause harm to his wincon in the end. This isn't a townwayne. Read my post carefully. I think he's scum but if he ends up being town, then he deserved the lynch.

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hi Cabd didn't ffery want you to definitely sort wayne

or was the result that you wanted to policy lynch him

He sorted Wayne. His exact words were "lynch the scumfuck".

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who posted these?

I would prefer to keep my policy lynch virginity intact

But but but muffin-kun; I'm scared. I hear the first time hurts? ...maybe if it's you. You won't make it hurt, will you?

Enough. If you're town this is so antitown I'll mark it down as one of the best policy lynches I've had to do ever.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wayne

It weren't cabd or he would know better. Them three are ffery.

Wrong on all three counts. But, you know that. Sometimes our tone is similar enough to be mistaken. Not in those posts. Particularly the first two. Those aren't jokes I'd make in a million years.

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i realise you were partially joking, but the impression i got from that is that you hated policy lynching

I'm the one in this hydra who hates policy lynches. Me. ffery.

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hi Cabd didn't ffery want you to definitely sort wayne

or was the result that you wanted to policy lynch him

He sorted Wayne. His exact words were "lynch the scumfuck".

This, not the pedits I skipped

I went back to check and be sure. You're right. That was incorrect, though close.

What he actually said was "vote his scumfuck ass".

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zmuffin,

You think we should still be lynching BRO.

Are you thinking that Wayne's pulling a last minute crazy thing to keep BRO in the game one night?

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I'm the one in this hydra who hates policy lynches. Me. ffery.

you seem fine with it

Are you thinking that Wayne's pulling a last minute crazy thing to keep BRO in the game one night?

i don't actually see what's so wrong with his recent posts that warrants a last-minute policy lynch

explain it to me like you think i'm dumb (if you don't already)

Go back and look at pie's post.

I think wayne is scum here that fumbled his claim and is trying to cover shit up by claiming one of his shitty gambits. This isn't a policy lynch anymore. It's a straight up I FUCKING THINK WAYNE IS SCUM lynch that has the upside of being a decent PL should he flip town. I told ffery I think wayne is scum. She's with me in my vote for that reason.

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I'm the one in this hydra who hates policy lynches. Me. ffery.

you seem fine with it

I'm not seeing it as a policy lynch. I want to lynch scum and only scum. I'm seeing it as a scumslip followed by trolling.

Are you thinking that Wayne's pulling a last minute crazy thing to keep BRO in the game one night?

i don't actually see what's so wrong with his recent posts that warrants a last-minute policy lynch

explain it to me like you think i'm dumb (if you don't already)

It's probably just paranoia, because wayne's slip didn't look intentional and it looked like he didn't even get what the fuzz was about at first. It seems suicidal to win condition to risk another team member to draw the lynch instead. And I can't really imagine a scum PR so valuable as to make losing probably 2/3 of the team by day 2 worth it.

The one time I seriously considered drawing the lynch, it would have been to save the scum recruiter's ass. This game doesn't have the possibility of wincon changes, so I'm at a loss what else could be so valuable.

So yeah. Probably paranoia.

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Morph cabd KNOWS I SLAYER, even cued him in, thinks they can slither out of it, don't let them, 1852 in a nutshell, too much hedging and building of wall of protection to deflect suspicion on "why he was wrong"

Mac Morph mentioned the phone updating thing and connected them because what they described is exactly how Mac appeared, and how would they know that (since I refused to go into detail) without knowing how often he was on?

GP that Weakest Link post says it all

I asked Cabd about that post. He told me it referenced a game on another site where you played super-scummy and then scumhunted off your wagon. He thought it was more lies.

The Mac stuff I pulled from the timestamps on your own posts mentioning that he lurked.

Anyway. I'm not sure how you could have convinced me that you hadn't scumslipped, but this wasn't it. And your read on us is really, really bad.

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If he's scum, there's no reason for him to put down so many more interactions after he's hammered. I'll be surprised if he doesn't flip town.