He sounded just like caught scum, compare to generic in Red Wedding Mafia (it's in completed theme games or on my (cabd's) wiki) after he thought he had been hammered.In post 985, pieguyn wrote:MafiaSSK's very first post after I made that shot leans obvscum (sad that he got shot without really being pissed off about it). the rest of it leans town but it could be because he realized the shot might be fake = = kind of conflicted on the read I got from him.
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You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?In post 989, thezmon221 wrote:Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.-
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Ffery's out getting her eyes fixed or something like that, so it's just cabd here, but yeah, I didn't like that reaction. This is important though:In post 990, pieguyn wrote:okay so I wanna shoot him for real now. thoughts?
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I find this amusing because I fucking love gambits and reaction tests as both alignments. See: paradox prime, AMOL, achievement unlocked, xenogears....In post 994, thezmon221 wrote:EBWODP:
Yeah, I read it. And it sounds to me like he's content being useless and lurky. If you don't have a real strong read, I'd go ahead and shoot him since he doesn't sound like he wants to change his game.
It's not out of the question.morph the cat wrote:
You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?In post 989, thezmon221 wrote:Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.
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I sure as hell never saw pie say this. Where?In post 1004, thezmon221 wrote:I thought you said it was obvtown.-
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T{morph, pie, mastin, Mac}In post 1018, MafiaSSK wrote:I mean, I don't really see how Mastin could be scuim. I see you, Mac, and pieguy as defTown. Varsoon as maybeTown. The rest are pretty null.
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I'm not sure where your head was at here. I hadn't planned to say anything about our potential demise, and was just going to get my reads changes documented as quickly as possible. It was Cabd's idea to go ahead and say why we were in such a hurry.In post 980, mastin2 wrote:
Didn't you give them already?In post 979, morph the cat wrote:Mastin, I'm kinda surprised. I figured you'd be interested in getting potentially last will and testament stuff from us just in case that shot was real.
I'm thinking about how town-me would react to another player who's at least debate-ably good at the game indicating their time could be up. I'd want to get as many questions asked and answered as I could, because whether they flip town or scum, it should be good data to mine. You criticized the bottom of our list not changing much. I threw some thoughts together on the one scum read I'd potentially rethink at that point. But you asked us nothing else. Nothing about specific players, wherever they fell in the list.
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Let's try something specific then.
In post 958, mastin2 wrote:1. BROseidon
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien)
3. Mac
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8)
9. thenewearth
10. thezmon221
11. Varsoon
13. zMuffinMan
The relevant players. (SSK we'll know the alignment of soon enough assuming the shot was legit, which it definitely looks like it is. Pie's town, and wayne also is pretty damn town. Consider them my tier-1 town.)
Varsoon looks town, zMuffin looks like town, and I *think* Mac's town as well, though I admittedly don't know him well enough to be sure. (Let's call those my tier-2 townreads.) Which leaves...
1. BROseidon
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien)
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8)
9. thenewearth
10. thezmon221
...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit. Be back in a while, to see if I can elaborate on my feelings about each. Because, bluntly, aside from BRO, I can see any of them being town (though Psychlone is probably the most concerning to me, with the other two hydras not far behind) or any of them as scum (though I'm admittedly on a purely-HOPING basis looking mainly at TNE and thez).
I mostly agree where your question marks are, though I am feeling better about GiF for reasons that are hard to articulate. But, that hydra contains two players who I want to make stakes in the ground, and at the moment I can't.In post 959, mastin2 wrote:Though that said, morph's probably town. (The real concern is on Psychlone and GP.)
I'm really not sure what your read of us is, given the above two posts. We're in your list of 6 players where scum must lie, but you think we're town anyway.
But, not as town as varsoon, zmuffin and Mac? Is that what you're saying?
Re Mac, fwiw my town read of him right now is as strong as my town read of him in Xenogears day 1 after a comparable number of his posts. i.e., pretty fucking town and I'd be arguing with people if they were voting him.-
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I can relate to that, though I feel like my reads have begun to firm up. 20 pages ago I was seriously wondering if ANYBODY besides us got a town role PM.In post 1031, mastin2 wrote:
Nope. The two statements work to augment one another, 'specially when you throw in a third for completion. (Town-Mastin flips a switch from a reads-mess into a scumhunting pseudo-god; Scum-Mastin flips a switch from being a pseudo-scumhunting god into being a paranoid reads mess. You've seen this first-hand, Ghostlin, in Xenogears [mess-to-refined] and Les Mis [refined-to-mess].) I have VERY strong tendencies as town and as scum. They're not absolutes of my play, though. I can have a towngame resembling my scum games, and a scumgame resembling my town ones. All of this is true. It'd be flat-out lying to say that these things are absolute, but it'd also be lying to say that they're not present at all. Basically, while I spoke in absolutes (bad habit, I know ), I'm being as transparent as possible, here. I am town. And if you're town as well, then you'll come around eventually.In post 1025, Ghostly Penguin wrote:Are you trying to mindfuck the Town?
Hell if I know. You're right; it's not you. It MIGHT be ffery, but even then, I kinda don't think it's her that's my problem, either. I think it's somehow the magical combination of you two which makes it a bit hard. But that said...In post 1029, morph the cat wrote:Tell me why you can't talk to me. You had zero issue talking with me in xenogears when I was pushing your wagon. What about it being morph makes me unapproachable?
This I can work with. (Right now, I think me being a bit reactionary and responding to questions will be more useful than proactively asking them. I know, not a good plan as town, but it's better than nothing.) That post shoulda been taken as you being bumped out of the six and reducing it down to five.In post 1027, morph the cat wrote:I'm really not sure what your read of us is, given the above two posts. We're in your list of 6 players where scum must lie, but you think we're town anyway.
Basically, yeah, I'd say yes. Town but not as town. Though that said, the strength of all my townreads is MASSIVELY in flux; you're at the bottom now but could be above the other three later, or in the middle at another time.But, not as town as varsoon, zmuffin and Mac? Is that what you're saying?
And by the way, a huge concern I have here is that there's an all-around lack of scumminess. SSK is probably scum, but even he has townie bits in his posting. TNE could be scum, but kinda looks like town via gut. Thez could be either. BRO looks like scum, but I don't have much confidence in that. Psychlone is concerning, but also has a lot of town. GP looks a bit like scum to my gut but something's telling me despite that, that they're town. In addition to Mac (who I believe to be town), you (who I also am thinking are town), Varsoon (who could be scum but looks like town), and zMuffinMan (who looks town but I need more research to confirm), there's wayne (who is probably town) and pie (who almost certainly is town).
While I believe fairly strongly the tier-1 players are town, and have a decent amount of confidence in the tier-2 players...I honestly could see an argument for anyone in this game being town and anyone being scum.
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It annoys the fuck out of me when someone who's scumreading me posts something I agree with.In post 1033, waynegg wrote:
CoughthezmoncoughIn post 986, pieguyn wrote:and yeah, I still have to use my shot on D1 or else I lose it. the only fake part was shooting in thread-
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And why would you have him ask me when I'm supposedly obvscum and will lie to kill your ass dead?In post 1039, waynegg wrote:Just ask cabd.-
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^I'd like a flip and several days to work on the results before deadline please and thanks.In post 982, borkjerfkin wrote:Deadline is in 5 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes-
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Still not happening.In post 937, Varsoon wrote:
Whisper into his ear, "Buy Varsoon Pizza..."In post 936, morph the cat wrote:I doubt Cabd is awake.-
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Uncanny valley maybe?In post 1031, mastin2 wrote:I think it's somehow the magical combination of you two which makes it a bit hard. But that said...-
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In post 1058, pieguyn wrote:curious, is the chance of dying specific to SSK? or would that happen no matter who dies?
We don't know if it will happen with SSK. We know it could happen (1 in 11 odds right now iirc), and pretty much must happen for town to win.
okay questions time
can you explain your townread on Varsoon more? cause I still don't see it >_<
For me it's the "type" of annoyance he gives off. Wish I could explain it better. Ffery says 50% meta 50% townreading giffy and letting him sort varsoon.
what made zmon be the second "vig pool" candidate?
The reaction to the dayvig shot was classic scumfuckery
do you think waynegg's abrasive reaction testing style o fposting isn't alignment indicative?
Waynegg is... different. He thorws shit at townreads to "help them survive the night" for fuck's sake
can you explain the GP read more? I'm kind of seeing a similar thing but as I don't have any baseline yet I can't make that kind of comparison for myself.
Ffery has a working model of town ghostlin. He's not yet met it here, but that does not nessicarily mean it's scum ghostlin.
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Cabd will answer this.In post 1058, pieguyn wrote:and I was asleep until just now. yay for completely fked up sleep schedule \:D/
curious, is the chance of dying specific to SSK? or would that happen no matter who dies?
My read is approx 50% meta and approx 50% GiF because GiF reads varsoon 1000000% better than I do.okay questions time
can you explain your townread on Varsoon more? cause I still don't see it >_<
We hated his reaction to your loldayvig. Totally, thoroughly hated it in every way it's possible to hate something.what made zmon be the second "vig pool" candidate?
No.do you think waynegg's abrasive reaction testing style o fposting isn't alignment indicative?
Not really, not without telling GiF more than I want him to know about how I read him. But, basically there's a disconnect between our play styles. I can tell immediately from his reaction when I've violated meta expectations when he's town.can you explain the GP read more? I'm kind of seeing a similar thing but as I don't have any baseline yet I can't make that kind of comparison for myself.-
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Strong town reads are developing at a glacial pace.In post 1072, zMuffinMan wrote:
did your town reads from earlier in the game weaken or were they never strong?morph wrote:I'm somewhat alarmed that I don't have at least one strong town read.
However, based on this morning's content, it looks like that's about to change.
which posts between 849 and 948 changed your mind about mac? (so much so that mac is now solidly town for you when you were apparently null on him before)
I was null due to not having enough to go on. 884, reacting to my call-out was good. 890 sealed it, with a combo of posting stuff I had thought at the time I read the quotes and posting stuff I hadn't thuoght of, but should have.-
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Also that's a good point about thez' reaction.In post 1076, zMuffinMan wrote:actually, the more i look at it, the more i think thez's reaction to the dayvig was town. i don't see thez-scum thinking it's a good idea to discredit someone who has claimed dayvig and isn't particularly fond of him. he'd be walking a fucking fine line hoping pieguy takes a shot at mafiaSSK over him.
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was this based on particular posts or just an overall gut feeling?In post 967, morph the cat wrote:I'd like to move thezmon up, but I don't really feel like I can justify it beyond "gut" right now
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Who the hell is "You" in this paragraph?In post 1085, BROseidon wrote:You're leaning scum because you're manipulating everything I say to pursue a scumcase on me. It's like you think I'm an easy mislynch, so you're doing everything you can to paint everything I post as scummy instead of trying to discern what my motivations are (this is most evident in your treatment of my joke posts)-
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Not claiming shit.In post 1085, BROseidon wrote:btw morph I think I know what you crumbed in there. Not sure if Cabd setting up a really brilliant fakeclaim or...
@morph you're also having a hard time reading GP? I can help you with that.
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Ffery go home you're drunk.In post 1120, morph the cat wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game?-
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Depends on the quality of your fake ID and what you look like IRL; paired with your proximity to Central California.In post 1126, pieguyn wrote:can I go drinking with you all ww I'm not legal yet but who cares-
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You're not the boss of me.In post 1123, morph the cat wrote:
Ffery go home you're drunk.In post 1120, morph the cat wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game?-
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I don't scum-read him in every game. Sometimes his positions don't just make sense, they parallel my own. And when that happens, he's town as fuck and I don't care who disagrees.In post 1121, pieguyn wrote:cause I don't see anything wrong with his posts. and I seriously don't get why the hell every other player besides me is scumreading him, which is setting off alarms. I'd really like if someone could explain their scumread on him cause I don't see it >_<//
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Meh. Experiential meta is a lot more complicated than this implies, but strongly parallel reads has been a town alignment indicator. However on one occasion where he was scum and my townpile was fucking riddled with scum (thanks, Cabd ) he was happy to "parallel" most of my reads.In post 1131, morph the cat wrote:
I don't scum-read him in every game. Sometimes his positions don't just make sense, they parallel my own. And when that happens, he's town as fuck and I don't care who disagrees.In post 1121, pieguyn wrote:cause I don't see anything wrong with his posts. and I seriously don't get why the hell every other player besides me is scumreading him, which is setting off alarms. I'd really like if someone could explain their scumread on him cause I don't see it >_<//
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I said it'sIn post 1151, BROseidon wrote:
So a lot of the times when our reads agree, we've both been town.In post 1139, morph the cat wrote:Meh. Experiential meta is a lot more complicated than this implies, but strongly parallel reads has been a town alignment indicator. However on one occasion where he was scum and my townpile was fucking riddled with scum (thanks, Cabd ) he was happy to "parallel" most of my reads.
But then there was that one time where I faked it because I was scum. That's also the only scumBRO/townffery game in existence.
I don't get what point you're trying to make here.complicated. And the more I think about it the more complicated it is.
I scumread you in Xenogears mostly for behavioral stuff, not reads.
In Death's Diner I was mostly townreading because of - get this - NY165, where I thought you were town. I have a huge pile of experiential meta now, but my original conclusions from some of that meta was bad.
If I had my read of you fully worked out in my head, I would either have my vote on you or I'd maybe be null-towning you or something. I can't see a path to "oh hell yes BRO is obvtown" given what you've put in the thread.-
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What is this about?In post 1150, waynegg wrote:Bert you're better than that. Is this a Castle or Touhou?-
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I am now. Sup, Nacho?In post 1159, Psychlone wrote:Ffery! Are you around?-
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If you can sort Mastin that would be awesome. Is this on the basis of Wayne's comparison?
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I must admit it felt like a pretty shitty OMGUS from over here.In post 1174, Psychlone wrote:
I've seen this reaction already.In post 1170, mastin2 wrote:IF you are town, Nacho, this vote is bad and you should feel bad. (BUT NOTE THAT THIS IS A BIG FREAKIN HUGE WHOPPING "IF"!) Or, put another way...
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Holy fuck if you repeat this shit again I'm going to park my vote on you, call it policy, and let ffery handle the day to day operations until you're dead or we're dead.In post 1220, mastin2 wrote:But I'm saying I'm town anyway. I'm not using the meta as part of that defense, though. I'm town. Blatantly obviously town. Seriously, SERIOUSLY town this game. I couldn't be more town if I tried. I don't say that often. Hell, I don't think I've ever said it as scum. But I'm not town for meta. I'm town because I'm town. Meta comes into the picture purely on the offensive front.-
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He doesn't disagree. Just didn't have as strong opinion as I did.In post 1179, Mac wrote:do you disagree, cabd?
I'm feeling a little better. I'm hydraing with Nacho in some other games and I know it's hellish trying to synch since his laptop was stolen.In post 1179, Mac wrote:
this is true. i'm worried by the lack of presence from both in the thread.mastin wrote:Though that said, morph's probably town. (The real concern is on Psychlone and GP.)
I didn't play that game but it has to do with rebalancing the numbers after a one shot day vig plus lynch on day 1 in this game paralleling something with a similar balance effect in the RW game.In post 1179, Mac wrote:can you expand? im trying to think but it's not coming too me about RW.
It was, but do scum stick their neck out like that to throw suspicion and discredit on a potential town PR? If pieguyn hadn't already wigged out about our vote and indicated he's be proving himself before day end maybe it would have looked less genuine. maybe.thezmon's reaction was weird. pie is claiming compulsive d1 dayvig and he's still trying to throw dirt on it. meeeh
Is a big post and a vote on you scummy?In post 1184, Varsoon wrote:
Nah, I haven't re-evaluated the game yet,In post 1183, Mac wrote:good to see you did re-evauluate the game to fake your reads, scumyou just made a really big post and voted for me.
I have to feel snarky to be snarky.In post 1185, Mac wrote:i want to be snarky but that's ffery's job.
Yeah this sums it up pretty well.In post 1191, zMuffinMan wrote:to be fair, i don't think this style is alignment-indicative. i recall having the same issue with the way he caught up in xenogears D2 (the post he wrote during N1).
the thing i don't like about BRO's posts is the amount of nothing in his posts prior to just recently. the series of post-responses he was producing earlier in the game had very little game-relevant content and he said he was busy "finding scum" but never actually looked to be trying to find any scum. also the way he sheeped me onto both the wayne and mafiassk wagons irked me.
See my question to Mac above.In post 1196, BROseidon wrote:Since apparently nobody wants to lynch Thez anymore.
Soon, pleaseIn post 1208, Psychlone wrote:
Kinda. Not solid yet though, given the time we spent on this game.In post 1206, morph the cat wrote:Do you have a scumpile? Want to talk about it?
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