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Not the approach I'll be taking this game magna. I learned my lesson. And I've read it. Glad you said somethingIn post 15, KuroiXHF wrote:
You expressed a desire to vote me and you might be scum. I don't have to do shit,In post 14, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I also want every player to acknowledge they have read the rules - specifically the rules surrounding Voting and plurality lynching at deadline ...-
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In post 11, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I want to vote Kuroi for posting a picture of a poor cat he's threatening to kill during the Purge if he isn't unvoted ...In post 15, KuroiXHF wrote:
You expressed a desire to vote me and you might be scum. I don't have to do shit,In post 14, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I also want every player to acknowledge they have read the rules - specifically the rules surrounding Voting and plurality lynching at deadline ...In post 19, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Ok.In post 15, KuroiXHF wrote:You expressed a desire to vote me and you might be scum. I don't have to do shit,
VOTE: Kuroi
Bouncing ideas off each other, brainstorming sort of, trying to see if there's a best play. But I also don't think anyone proposed it. Do you have anything? Or...In post 34, kraska77 wrote:Oh ok above or below on the playerlist
I don't understand why you're proposing this but wtv-
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Shit, didn't mean to keep those quotes cause I wanted to see if there was anything there or not or if it was even worth bringing up.
Since its out there, reading this exchange it seems awkward and forced. Like inside scoop sort of banter. Get the feeling kuroi is trying to act, knowing magna isn't a threat.-
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What do you mean? How did you confirm?
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In post 77, Realeo wrote:
I can use some help.In post 76, pisskop wrote:I guess you could meta me, but I doubt you will because nobody does. not properly.
How do you get a sufficient meta in 4 minutes? I mean I can't... Eh fuck this I'm hailf drunk with a headache. I'll come back tomorrow.In post 78, Realeo wrote:Myeah, the meta check out. You pretty much roll like that.
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Look at you being all opportunistic and shit!In post 106, shos wrote:can we haz sum moar voatz on realeo
I mean a good meta takes longer than 4 minutes, true. But I guess if he's looking at rvs in the last two games only, that'd take about 4 minutes max. The thing I don't like is that he stopped looking at meta after 4 minutes without getting any sort of read. Like 4 minutes later... Welp, nothing to see here, guess I'll go report my findings, of Yeah this is how you are. But he at least closes things with a read on pk, and I'm not sure he would've found more looking at more rvs. I just played with Realeo. Hard to understand and definitely seems try hard as town. I mostly ignored him that game.
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Lol, don't you think looking at your last two games, rvs only, is proper?In post 76, pisskop wrote:I guess you could meta me, but I doubt you will because nobody does. not properly.
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In post 44, shos wrote:I thought I was a one-shot bulletproof and a one-shot vig.
So you confirmed telling the mod you are 1 shot of each and he didn't correct you?In post 45, shos wrote:[read the role PM (not carefully enough it appears) before reading the rules and setup]-
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This is an example of why its hard for me to follow. Because I didn't make a joke of your competence at all. If you aren't looking to get a read on someone, what was the point of the meta search in the first place?In post 115, Realeo wrote:
Excuse me. I am an undergraduate student, ok? My reading speed is at my peak of its time.In post 93, shos wrote:nobody gets meta so quick
Plus, there is something bottom shaped like a [+] that is called iso button. Two minutes/ game is definitely doable. The only thing that I can't master is Englizh.
It is highly ironic that you make a joke of me how I am not competent then showed that yourself is not competent.In post 109, lane0168 wrote:The thing I don't like is that he stopped looking at meta after 4 minutes without getting any sort of read.
[1] The scope of the conversation is refuting the argument. I limit my search to that.
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Don't you steal my line of questioning!In post 119, shos wrote:
Precisely.In post 111, lane0168 wrote:In post 44, shos wrote:I thought I was a one-shot bulletproof and a one-shot vig.
So you confirmed telling the mod you are 1 shot of each and he didn't correct you?In post 45, shos wrote:[read the role PM (not carefully enough it appears) before reading the rules and setup]
And realeo: I am a grad student lol, that does not hold water.
One does not meta RVS alone. What is to be gained? If this is what you say you did, please elaborate on what you were looking for, what you found, and how that influenced you?
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Nobody said it was after he explained that he only checked rvs stage. I already said 4 minutes is more than enough to check rvs for 2 games. You went through a lot of work to check all that though and defend him for something nobody has an issue with...
Current issue for me is why stop at 2 games that don't give you a read? Why do it in the first place if you're only spending 4 minutes on a meta? Just seems... Well I'm still trying to decide how that seems-
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@almost50, how likely are you to lynch one of the people you don't want to lynch, given a solid case on one of them? I like the transparency because I usually have it in my head (whether conscious or sub concious) who I would or wouldn't lynch, but I'd like to know how firm... Nvmd, highly volatile, subject to change.
Let's just leave it at I'm down with almost50's transparency.-
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I don't like this though, does it mean kraska is playing a town game? And you know what it is? Doesn't seem like a solid reason to have one you'll lynch and one you won't cause you've played with them before.In post 137, Almost50 wrote:I have a completed game with kraska. I don't have a "completed" game with shos.-
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In post 47, shaddowez wrote:Man, Kuroi and Vedith - glad I didn't read the playerlist before joining! (I kid, I kid!)
But really,
VOTE: Vedith
As for the stranded mechanic, I thought that happened regardless of how the lynch happened, majority or plurality. Is it a normal death if it's majority?
"If no majority is reached, the player with the highest number of votes is stranded"In post 126, shaddowez wrote:Following on my phone, wife's b-day celebration this weekend. More on Monday probably
An iso of shadowez... For doing more of the" shit" I don't like. It says if no majority is reached, stranded happens. The problem I have here is he seems to be aware of stranded, so he looked at the setup, but not at all aware of when this happens. Another one that seems to be playing dumb. Even worse than shos.
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Fuckin right. Everyone going 12+ hours without content besides "post tomorrow" is bullshit. Good post though. Your naked vote didn't seem like much, but the case you're laying down now on the guy trying to get shit going is undeniable.
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Shadow read the rules the say "if no majority is reached... Stranded" and then it's confused about how stranded?i don't buy it.In post 149, shos wrote:Il be here tomorrow.
Lol jk
Lane it is legit that peoplenotify that they are busy. Also considering that like 5 people got confused withthe rules, im p sure it is not a scumtell
Pedit Ok... I may be stupid. Let me go read-
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"Voting is as usual with phase ending when time runs out or a majority vote is reached. If no majority is reached, the player with the highest number of votes is stranded. In case of a tie, the player who was first to that vote count is stranded. The player voted is not lynched, he is Stranded"
This part distinguishes what happens when no majority is reached. And then goes on to reiterate the person is not lynched, but stranded.-
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I never said anything about townreading you. Good try. -1In post 173, Realeo wrote:The only thing that bothers me is the dynamic of lane and shos.
I understand that you sometimes interrogate your town read.
I understand that you sometimes work together, and that's not necessarily buddying or scummy.
However, lanetownreadme andscumreadshos.
How in the whole world, lane work withshostogether to interrogateme?
I mean, when I mentioned my fos, I feel disgust (well, overkill, but you get my point.)
But lane seems to be laxed about it. This maybe incorrect conclusion, but I'm thinking either both shos and lane are scum or both shos and lane are town. No in between.-
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This is all completely wrong about me. Never have I once played anywhere close to my town game as scum. Maybe close as 3rd party, cause that's easier. but never as scum. Not even once. The factually incorrectness of this is terrible.In post 183, Almost50 wrote:
Mate, I'll give it to you straight: An idiot you are NOT, but you're very good at playing dumb. that's why I'm confused about you. Usually someone playing like this would get a town lean read from me this early in the game, but -knowing you- I'm not at all sure if it's genuine or intentional.In post 157, lane0168 wrote:UNVOTE: so shadow is probably right, and I'm the idiot. There is no lynching I'm assuming. Everything is stranded. We're voting to strand people so they can't use their ability. I got messed up by that last line. Basically, "lynch" is not a thing in this game.
The problem with this game is we have players who are very well capable of playing exactly the same as either alignment. lane, (PV), Kuroi, Nos & PK. There are others whom I have not played with as one alignment (Vedith, shaddowez, MoI & kraska), so I've got to do with what I have and then go doubt every conclusion I reach!!
When was I good at playing dumb ever? If I ever was it was when I was town. I've never had a good scum game. This is just so so wrong I don't know how you came up with it.-
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Huh? I have to have a townread on someone to call sometime else opportunistic? I'm not following that logic.In post 233, kraska77 wrote:
how else would you perceive shos as opportunistic for pushing realeo then? -___-In post 231, lane0168 wrote:
I never said anything about townreading you. Good try. -1In post 173, Realeo wrote:The only thing that bothers me is the dynamic of lane and shos.
I understand that you sometimes interrogate your town read.
I understand that you sometimes work together, and that's not necessarily buddying or scummy.
However, lanetownreadme andscumreadshos.
How in the whole world, lane work withshostogether to interrogateme?
I mean, when I mentioned my fos, I feel disgust (well, overkill, but you get my point.)
But lane seems to be laxed about it. This maybe incorrect conclusion, but I'm thinking either both shos and lane are scum or both shos and lane are town. No in between.-
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That's not even how I said it. Not sure why you corrected yourself to something wrong... You seem to think I didn't want the credit for my line of questioning. Did you not consider maybe I didn't want my scumread to again be opportunistic to look town? Didn't want him jumping in to a spot I was obviously going?In post 189, kraska77 wrote:"Dont steal my line of questioning"*-
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I noticed you didn't say shit about almost50 voting for someone who had 0 posts... Why not?In post 185, Almost50 wrote:You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.
VOTE: PV
This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).-
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Yes, I didn't mean didn't. Screwed up the sentenceIn post 240, kraska77 wrote:
that's literally the opposite of what i saidIn post 236, lane0168 wrote:You seem to think I didn't want the credit for my line of questioning-
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He was... Later. Nobody asked you what you thought about me voting shadow. And almost50 had already voted pv. You didn't say anything about it until you were asked about it. Why was it bad for me to vote him with reason, and not almost50 with no reason? I'm not concerned about your response AFTER being asked. I'm concerned with why you had to be asked, when you implicated me for LESS!In post 241, kraska77 wrote:
bc moi was onto a50 about this anyway? and i did say u were both doing the same shit when asked about itIn post 239, lane0168 wrote:
I noticed you didn't say shit about almost50 voting for someone who had 0 posts... Why not?In post 185, Almost50 wrote:You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.
VOTE: PV
This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).In post 229, kraska77 wrote: both seem to be using lurkers as cop out from actual scumhunting-
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What?In post 242, kraska77 wrote:
again this shit doesnt make senseIn post 236, lane0168 wrote:Did you not consider maybe I didn't want my scumread to again be opportunistic to look town? Didn't want him jumping in to a spot I was obviously going?
why isnt the spot you're going to a spot you scumread?-
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The spot, is a point in the line of questioning. I don't know what you're asking...In post 243, kraska77 wrote:
editedIn post 242, kraska77 wrote:again this shit doesnt make sense
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No I don't see why my track record looks bad at all.In post 244, kraska77 wrote:let';s get things straight
you think shos is scum
you dont think realeo is scum
for some reason you decided to push realeo rather than your scumread
shos agrees with your push on realeo
you accuse shos of being opportunistic scum
but instead of sorting shos
you jump onto someone who announced a vla bc for some reason that's deceitful
u see now why ur track record so far looks bad?
Shos was a scumread.
I pressure Realeo to sort the slot. Can I try sorting other slots while I have another scum read? Yes. Because I'm talented.
Where did I say I don't think Realeo is scum?
I didn't accuse shos of anything. I told him to butt out of my life of questioning.
Again, I can't sort other people I don't have a read on yet, WHILE I have a scum read. I didn't have anything to push on shos with at that time apart from what I'd already said so I was moving elsewhere.
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By the time he voted, moi was already on to him...?In post 185, Almost50 wrote:You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.
VOTE: PV
This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).
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I push what I see. Always have. I see something and I pounce like a tiger. Do you think you're being scummy voting shadow when I'm your scum read? How could you be voting somewhere else, I'm your scum read.In post 253, kraska77 wrote:
the thing is, i dont see you really sorting your scumread?In post 250, lane0168 wrote:Why is trying to sort more than one slot scummy?
your push on shos is barely there
youre more focused on realeo
and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas-
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I should say was most of it. I didn't like him popping in like that. I know it happens and town do it too, which I get the feeling he's town. I just hate it. I ALWAYS get the feeling they're just delaying having to post and get found out. It's probably wrong.In post 256, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Ok, thanks for the clarification.
And to be theres a difference between people saying they'll post tomorrow. Or read up later, and coming in to tell the mod v/LA.
Like shos. Coming in to say he'll read up later, when there's 10 posts since his last post. Takes 30 seconds to read that-
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Because it was about more than that, and wasn't the main reason, and I've addressed that I also view them differently. As in, coming in to tell the the mod you're v/LA seems more of a courtesy, and coming in to tell everyone you'll post later seems to be avoiding something. You'll notice I also said I didn't like shos doing it tooIn post 260, kraska77 wrote:
sorry sometimes my wording comes out really wonky and i dont even realise (eng isnt my first lang)In post 254, lane0168 wrote:
By the time he voted, moi was already on to him...?In post 185, Almost50 wrote:You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.
VOTE: PV
This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).
Can you show me one post moi talked to almost50 about pv before this vote?
what i meant to say is moi questioned him after the vote
i just realised that the timeline was messed up in my head tho, the way i remembered it was that vote came later
anyway you didnt address this "and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas"-
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Does anybody else find it weird that kraska continually ignores my actual reason for voting shadow, and also ignores the fact that I called shos out for the same thing, trying to make it seem like I picked ONLY shadow, when that's not even the truth, and also ignores my explanation of why I think vla is different, while ALSO completely ignored almost50 voting a NON poster, while also having Zero suspicion of almost50 doing what they think I did only worse?! And also tried to make it seem like moi was already on almost50 by the time he votes for pv, WHILE ALSO not yet giving an explanation for why they didn't question almost50 for voting pv?!In post 265, kraska77 wrote:does nobody else find it weird that
lane specifically picked on shaddow out of all the people who were on vla, and even called his vla deceitful
and yet when shaddow comes back...instead of point out that lane's push on him is shit(i had to do this for him), he completely ignores all of this and questions me instead for pointing out that lane whining about lurking or lack of content (over a weekend) so early into the game is weird?-
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I'm not moving off kraska until I find someone better. And right now considering its all talk about best play and no scum hunting/ basically anything else, there is no one better. the apology and retraction can easily come from scum realizing they picked the wrong person to try to lynch. All it really tells me is she was pick and choosing things to force a lynch. Evidence being a naked vote on me, followed by more and more things she found scummy. Evidence being she supposedly missed my immediate unvote,
and also missed shadow addressing said unvote (separated so not missed) citing it for a town read. After talk all about me and shadow not caring about my push on shadow, she misses that TWICE? she either saw it, or she missed it because she's just looking for something to call scum. Either way I don't think that's town whatsoever, considering she seemed to be ONLY paying attention to us two for pages.
As far as the plan goes, pv's plan, I don't think scum will limit the lynch pool for an extra kill or two. The backups will follow the plan. The strongman will kill who they want, and 50/50 they die.
The problem is the people already saying they won't follow the plan, which I think is good intentioned. I don't think their intention is actually to go against the plan. I believe its to try to avoid the plan all together. Because they're right, scum still exploit as best as possible. Along with the chance scum get lucky and get the right lineup.
As an option, We agree to put the people against it in the barricade section. And force them to barricade. Or die.
Another option is shoot who you think is scum, barricade if you're not confident.
Another option, everyone barricades, knowing people will inevitably go against that plan, but scum don't know who. I think we get a kill pool of 3 the 3 scummiest players, including the stranded... People target them. If they decide to shoot someone else, they're basically leaving themselves open for kill without basically any chance of killing. This obviously leaves room for deviation, if people want to take the chance, without giving a ton of information to scum-
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I mean yeah, as long as people stick to the plan of shoot, barricade, shoot, barricade, shoot... Then it's best plan I think? Basically youre trading 1 for 1, or at least knowing what half strongman is in. Scum are forced to follow the plan or diminish their lynch pool. Again, that's all assuming EVERYONE sticks with the plan
Pedit, you've obviously not played with me enough with unusual mechanics, or read enough, and kraska is getting stabbed. With a rusty steak knife-
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Holy deflection batman! How did kraska say the same thing as you saying its crazy that I expected a read. I asked you what was the point of doing the meta, if you weren't looking for a read? The whole point of meta is to try to sort your reads. You did it seemingly for no apparent reason. And why are you bringing it up again now? That's been long over and you're still trying to defend it for some reasonIn post 503, Realeo wrote:I literally explained it like a long time ago?
I mean, kraska literally pointed out the same thing.
The fact that I'm not alone means I'm not making nonsense. Wrong? Probably. Nonsense? A second pair of eye confirms my observation.In post 253, kraska77 wrote:
the thing is, i dont see you really sorting your scumread?In post 250, lane0168 wrote:Why is trying to sort more than one slot scummy?
your push on shos is barely there
youre more focused on realeo
and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas-
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I don't even see kraska having the "same opinion" as you. That you think I'm scum for thinking the point of meta is to get a read?In post 501, Realeo wrote:
You think it's dumb to announce the second scum afterIn post 500, Vedith wrote:
It's pretty dumb to announce the second scum now, so why not the 3rd?In post 498, Realeo wrote:I hinted at long time ago, I think both {lane,shos} is either both town or both scum. So {lane,shos,???}. With epod have not making any comment, it's dumb to annouce the 3rd scum now.21pages?
I tell you what is dumb. Lane forcing me to make a read out of RVS.-
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I didn't insist you make a read. I asked what was the point of doing an RVS and what you are even looking for if not to find a read.In post 132, Realeo wrote:On another point, lane, why do you insist that I should make a read out of meta? Especially from RVS. The scope of RVS is so narrow that I don't recall people make agenuineread out of it.-
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I guess you forget about me telling shos to stay out of it and not weasel into my line of questioning. My "don't you steal my line of questioning line!" that got its own share misconstrued reaction.
Pedit. Because I don't like the naked vote on me followed by a Mish mash of pick and choosing things to make a case after deciding to make a case on me. And because her big town apology that I think is scum seeing a case go nowhere and a cop out.-
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Why do you think you missed the thing that cleared me and shadow for you, twice, but find plenty of scum thingsIn post 518, kraska77 wrote:Shoot me then ^_^-
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@mod v/LA til tuesdayI'm not going to bother with this game when all it is is talking about the plan, talking about why we like or don't like the plan. Statistics about the plan. Saying let's scum hunt, then talking about the plan. Starting to get the feeling scum is hiding behind the plan since very limited conversation about anything but the plan. A plan which quite obviously should've been off the table long ago when people said they weren't going with the plan. Enough with the plan. Fuck the plan. Shoot who you think is scum. Or don't shoot. The fucking plan man. I'm taking a stand against the plan man. Not wasting my long weekend in this plan, man.-
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I'm reminded of a story.
Long long ago, there was an assorted group of paladins, rogues, warriors and priests, among other classes of players aligned with the alliance, planning out a raid. They talked exhaustively about how best to accomplish the raid. They came up with a chance of success of 33 and a third, repeating of course.
A lowly human paladin got sick of the planning and said fuck this. And went ahead with his own plan. That paladins name? Was Leeroy Jenkins. When he decided to go against the plan, the whole thing was fucked.
What did they do? They stuck to the plan. They did everything they could to be successful but that one guy ruined the entire thing. Everyone died a slow, angry, gruesome death. It was a blood bath like nothing ever seen.
It was a bad plan to begin with, compounded by an unwillingness to cooperate. And one man saying "fuck this noise" (not a direct quote). We have at least 3 Leeroy Jenkins.
Wtf are we even doing here? Wasting fucking time. That's it. That's all we're doing. Drop. The. Plan. It's not going to work without full cooperation. Scum can plan, scum can not plan, they can hide behind a plan, they can be active in a plan they know they won't follow, they can quietly agree with a plan they know they won't follow. They can go against a plan they wouldn't follow anyways. You know who else can do all those things? Town. What are we left with? A waste of a day and with virtually nothing to go off of.
Pedit. My kill pool is kraska, shos, and I haven't decided my third
Vla for real now.-
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