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Is this a thing?In post 22, Antihero wrote:oh hi mastin
Could the asinine "anonymous hydra" reveal their members because it's the most super pro-town thing to do. Refusal to do so and having a town PM is evidence of not playing to win condition.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Cons to anonymous hydra-ing as town:In post 43, notscience wrote:I don't see why metadodging as town is "not playing to wincon" but feel free to explain why.
1. The game of "Who is the hydra" distracts from "Who is the scum".
2. Hiding a secret that isn't "I'm scum" creates a false flag no matter how much they don't intend it.
3. Knowing a player's personality helps read them. Town would want other town to read them as town so time and energy isn't wasted.
Pros to anonymous hydra-ing as town:
1. Fucking with people for out-of-game reasons.
BTW - Don't reply for them notscience. Unless you're scum. If you're scum then by all means debate me on this topic and threadshit on the game. I barely tolerate hydras as it is (because I believe it's a form of cheating and goes against the spirit of the game), but anonymous hydras have absolutely no benefit. I really don't care about anyone else's opinion on the subject. I want Twisted Advice to stop playing a stupid non-mafia game inside a mafia game and reveal themselves so we can move forward. Withholding non-role based information as town is playing against win condition.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Oh, fuck.. You're going toIn post 45, Twisted Advice wrote:I can only pray that my insolent bird...roleplayon top of it all?STOP. IT. ALL OF IT.
1) And yet Post 22 happened. So you're wrong because it is a distraction.In post 45, Twisted Advice wrote:1) It shouldn't make the game into who is the hydra. It's not important. As my bird has so wisely stated to me, no one is forcing you to make this a distraction. This is all on you. In addition there is always the option for you to not try to play that game. We are a hydra of people with whom you haven't played. This is a hydra between the Royal Vizier and his bird. Those are the two player slots. Just imagine us as players you've never encountered. Problem solved.
2) There is no false flag. I am not hiding anything. Your argument works just as well with alts. Would you say that alts are cheating as well?
3) Perhaps, but there are other reasons that one would prefer to hide his or her meta. Perhaps one of us has been having troubles. Or one of us is trying to diverge from established meta. There is plenty of town motivation
2) If an alt walks in and says "Hey, I'm alt of someone so famous that they need an alt!" then yes, it creates a false flag. Mafia is a game of honed gut instincts and strategic pattern detecting. If you're flaunting your dishonesty about your identity then you fuck with gut reads. And if you're doing this as town, then you should be banned from playing.
3) None of that has anything to do withthis current game. So I don't give a flying fuck. Quit makingthis gameharder by bringing all sorts of nonsense garbage into it. hence my request that you drop the dumb dumb dumb charade.
Also, why do you have GreyICE as likely town and Bicepherous Bob as scum? They are doing variations on the same shtick except that at least Post 15 contains a grain of reasoning.Occasionally intellectually honest
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@Bicephalous Bob - What's the purpose of the chess image in Post 11?
@jbomber732 - Why vote Bicephalous Bob in Post 23? And explain where you saw "blue"..
@beastcharizard - Explain the reasoning of Post 26.
@Lords of the Unreal - Why the self-vote in RVS?
@Twisted Advice
- Why are you calling GreyICE town and Bicephalous Bob scum? (second time asking)
- Why is notscience very likely town?
@Katarina LeBlanc - Why are your only two posts useless fluff?
Do not address me as "KKK". Also, don't throw around the word "retard" (Post 61). Please try to actually be civil for a refreshing change.In post 62, GreyICE wrote:(also we should note that KKK is ranting about alignment-nonindicative things, like 'bad reasons for voting', 'how terrible it is when people roleplay' and 'secret hydras are so terrible'. These have nothing to do with anyone's alignment in game, and are a general distraction from mafia. I am sure he feels passionately about him, but like KKK himself, these are utterly irrelevant)
@Twisted Advice - (re: Post 66) How is that "town as fuck"? Any scum could write that in their sleep.
You realize that this is a recap and not an explanation, right?In post 141, Twisted Advice wrote:Re 60: I don't know why this is so hard. 33 bugged me slightly, but my other head had a stronger opinion in the opposite direction.
@PeregrineV - Why are you voting MafiaSSK? Why at that point?
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Townish: Bicephalous Bob, Twisted Advice, Hopkirk
Need further study: Lords of the Unreal, mafiaSSK, burn_209, Metal Sonic, notsience, Turkish Van, Guzame?
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Katarina LeBlanc declared herself town. That rubs me the wrong way and starts her off in the hole. Metal Sonic's presence has been pretty negligible at my reads point.In post 158, beastcharizard wrote:Can you explain your reads please? Kat has said like 2 things and Metal has said like 1 thing yet one is slight scum and the other needs moar? Neither have posted content so i am curious how you got those reads. I agree with the jbomber scum read only because they played the new card and their reads don't make much sense to me. How is Hopkirk town exactly?
Hopkirk is town because I'm not seeing no scum motivation to his posts. He's like a foreign subway map. The wording he uses is confusing, but if you stare at it enough you can figure out the tracks make some logical sense.
--That said, his Post 174 downgraded the town-read quite a bit.
Ugh. Oh, it's you. Hidden in a hydra. You're one of the ones I've given up trying to convince that his "signature move" is just idiotic nonsense.In post 161, Lords of the Unreal wrote:Hey Khan, you remember me, right? And how I self vote every game?
Mostly yeah. I see beastcharizard's attacks on Hopkirk as pretty floppy and opportunistic. He makes three anti-Hopkirk posts (mostly based on feelings, no actual questioning or probing), then asks what Hopkirk's read on him is (Post 149). I'm not reading that as a town sequence of posting.In post 164, Antihero wrote:@kk
i'm guessing your scumread on beast, monkeyman and i stem from your read on hopkirk and bob?
the one i'm really interested in is beast, please expound on that one
I'm waffling on his read a bit. But I really didn't like the Day 1 FOS in Post 102 on a guy with 3 (of 10) votes. It reeks of too much caution.In post 166, Antihero wrote:amendment: expound on your monkeyman one too, i think that one's interesting as well.
Calling it a "suspicion" is a strong stretch. His vote (Post 51) looks to be a straight OMGUS from Bicephalous Bob calling him scummy. Exactly what about it did you like?In post 168, Twisted Advice wrote:The jester claim was simply a dull joke. I liked the fact that he pulled suspicion on [Bicephalous Bob].
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See above for GreyICE versus Bob
Also, I'm really hating the "2 different answers to every question" routine (also the roleplaying). Either find some level of agreement between the two of you before posting, or one of you just stop posting, or each of you get your own frigging role and play mafia like normal people. "I thought this and he thought that" is not a helpful answer to anything, it's just blahblahblah. I care about WHY not WHO.
Too much work. We are not even close to being on the same wavelength. Let's see if we can see eye-to-eye on GreyICE v Bicephalous Bob before we argue on everything else.In post 168, Twisted Advice wrote:Now let us discuss your reads list: namely that it conflicts will essentially every read of mine.
Explain how both Bob and Hopkirk are both town. I could see the argument that one might be scum and the other may be oblivious of this and be playing along, but I find it incredibly naive to believe them both town.
In addition, please explain how you have scum reads on Katarina, charizard, Monkeyman, and Antihero, as well as GreyICE and jbomber. In fact if you could explain all of your reads, that would be most appreciated.
Eh, I disagree because I know how much experience GreyICE has. If he's scum and hasn't maneuvered himself into a good lie to keep himself alive past Day 4, he'll gladly die in a manner that helps his scummate(s) survive.In post 169, Twisted Advice wrote:I thought that one Greyice post was town not because scum couldn't have written it, but because it would not be in their best interests to write it.
He plays the long-game and a day 1 throwaway post like that is not going to haunt him in the slightest.
Hmm.. I erased him off "slight scum" and forgot to put him down somewhere. Consider him a "need further study". beastcharizard read explained earlier.In post 252, Turkish Van wrote:Where's PereV at all in this list as you seem to not have put his name in a list. I don't agree with the quick scumread on BC, can you explain that for me? Also how is Bob a townread?
Bicephalous Bob is a townread because I haven't read a decent case on him. Got one?
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*shrug* I'm being honest so I don't care what you think. Words like "obvtown", "obvscum", and "PSA: X is town" get thrown around and retracted with so much abandon that they are meaningless. Mafia is a game of nebulousness and doubt. None of my reads are ever going to be 100% unless the mod is involved. If you think that's a scumtell, then you're not as good as I thought. Vague waffling is a scumtell. Specific grievances aren't.In post 294, GreyICE wrote:Yo Genghis, you scum? Because after MoI I'm no longer believing that long walls full of zero content come from town because they are long and horribly, horribly written. Shall we summarize the content in yours?
Oh, no. No, no, no. I'm sorry, I did not mean to give you impression that I think you're anything but scum right now.In post 294, GreyICE wrote:Grey: Null! Too good of a player (haha, thanks for the compliment. I guess I'm good enough to read you then)
I explained why. Apparently all you read was "blahblahblahihatehydrasblahblahblah". Maybe go back and answer my question first?In post 309, Twisted Advice wrote:I would still like you to explain your awful reads too. Why do you refuse to do so?
Gosh, the people I listed as "slightly scummy" on Page 10(ish.. whatever it was) have very thin cases on them. How atrociously suspicious of me.In post 315, Antihero wrote:ok, fine, i can kind of accept it if he thinks i'm scum and i'm taking advantage of hopkirk (i'm kind of an abrasive asshole sometimes). but, come on, beast is pretty obvtown and monkeyman isn't that far behind him. to my understanding, the beast case amounted to "he's aggressively pushing his hopkirk read", which is pretty weak. the monkey case is even thinner.
I didn't RVS at all. Hydra quarrel was important to me. Random questions weren't. And the "le mur du nul" wasn't. Fall back and punt.In post 320, GreyICE wrote:My major reason is that in his 7 posts, he's managed to RVS vote with 2 of them, spent 3 of them debating with a random hydra about anonymous head reveal, asked a bunch of random questions in 1, and posted a read list that was "le wall de null" with his final.
If you don't care enough to summarize a case, then you're not serious about it.In post 330, Twisted Advice wrote:I had gotten the impression you were reading the thread, but you may have just proved me wrong.
It is. Playing scum is incredibly easier. All you have to do it randomly pacify people by calling them town. Don't state reasons for any read, let people infer whatever they want because it's easy to deny things you never stated. Threaten that you can change your mind on a whim to give yourself blanket immunity. And retaliate against anyone that puts suspicion on you first.In post 340, Antihero wrote:this would be good if khan was... i don't know.. an "intermediate" player (like me)
given his join date, i would think his scum game has advanced beyond that
Somewhat related: have you checked out GreyICE's iso?
Also, my wiki isn't complete by any means. Site crashes have partially and wholly eliminated games so I don't bother updating it.
Yeah, welcome to how I read every single one of you. Every comment everyone makes can be either a towntell or a scumtell depending on the personality and skill of the player making it. Take someone like jbomber732. Is he a clueless town idiot or is he good at faking it. I'm jealous of the days when I could say "wall = towntell" and mean it, but those days are long gone. I've seen too many good players to ever declare anything to be town or scum without reservation. That's one of the reasons I hate hydras so much. Figuring out a player's personality is tough enough. But two people? Who can discuss with each other? Fuck me. Hydras are always a wild card unless power roles help out.In post 344, Turkish Van wrote:What gets me about Kublai Khan's stance on Hopkirk and beast is that he doesn't have a clear read on Hopkirk any longer (citing post 174 as bad enough to throw his town read on Hopkirk into doubt) but he's still drawing conclusions about beast from beast's interactions with Hopkirk. The logic presented is disjointed in a way that could come from scum being artificial or town considering multiple angles. That he pings as town for other aspects of his play (willingness to be antagonistic, mostly) makes me lean town in his motivations.
I'm not making scum-groupings at this point because it's an execise in futility. I'm trying to hunt one scum at a time. Hopkirk is pretty transparent in his logical steps. He doesn't communicate it well, but it's there if you're willing to take the time to try to see things from his point of view. It's possible he's not town (stating you're initiating a "reaction test" when already under suspicion is not a pro-town move), but he's town enough that beastcharizard's vague yet insincere feelings are scummier.
And your summary of the Pick Your Poison game you saw me in is inaccurate. I played in a way to get myself run up Day 1becauseI was an Innocent Child. I figured it was a free Day 1 bandwagon. I'm going to assume that your description wasn't an attempt at a misrep.
It does. I have a better baseline of the personalities I'm dealing with (since I can't shake the feeling that I probably know their main accounts).In post 345, Antihero wrote:meh, antagonism is null unless it's serving a clear purpose to advance reads. i don't think complaining about hydras qualifies.
I can recognize baseless attempts to discredit someone calling you scum. So I have that going for me. Which is nice.In post 355, GreyICE wrote:Genghis has been a member since what, like 2008? He's had six years on site. He knows the basics of appearing town, he's just really rusty at it.
What's your rush? We have like 18 days to discuss things.In post 359, Twisted Advice wrote:Hopkirk (3) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) – PeregrineV, Antihero
burn (2) – LotU, SSK
Everything else looks to be a one vote wagon. Could we consider lynching scum today, please?Occasionally intellectually honest
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Was it? Product was exactly as advertised.In post 364, Antihero wrote:
you apparently thought it was worth mentioning, so i think it's worth analyzingIn post 363, Kublai Khan wrote:Gosh, the people I listed as "slightly scummy" on Page 10(ish.. whatever it was) have very thin cases on them. How atrociously suspicious of me.
The thing worth analyzing is why you don't care that I ignored your other question.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 368, Antihero wrote:yeah, i don't see a question that got ignoredIn post 315, Antihero wrote:now, i'd like to hear moar about the "strongest scumreads": grey and jbomber, which apparently failed to come up in the last post.
Deflecting what from what? There is literally nothing to deflect from. You are making no sense and I literally do not understand why you're painting completely benign reads with the brush of nefariousness. I'm not pushing a case against beastcharizard or MonkeyMan576. I don't care about them too much, but I have an eye on them. I can't fathom why anyone would care about a "slight scumread" more than a "scumread".deflect much?
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What? I don't know where you're coming from. Where are you getting that I don't like talking about my scum reads?In post 374, Antihero wrote:yeah, there's plenty to deflect to. you don't like the "unimportant" scum reads i want to talk about, so let's draw this arbitrary line somewhere and talk about the "important" ones (whatever the hell that means).
I listed high and low scumreads. You questioned me on the low ones. I answered. You disagreed then started calling me scum. I make an asumption that the one thing you questioned me on is the reason you have a scumread and I sarcastically point out that you have ridiculously high expectations of a slight scumread.
Now you're throwing around buzzwords like "deflection" as if it means something tome or the situation and I'm lost. I have no pride, explain it to me like I'm a 4 year old.
Sorry, that was unintentional. I have a word filter on my browser and I amuse myself by having it auto change "more" to "moar". I use notepad to write posts and must have C&P'ed the change over. No offense intended.In post 374, Antihero wrote:wow, way to be an asshole and change the spelling to "moar" to make me look like an idiot.
I'm just trying to make sense of where you're going with your questioning. You ignored the slight scumread on you and the strong scumread on others and focused on the fact that I didn't fall in line with a strong townread of yours. Is there a specific towntell beastcharizard made that overrides everything else I should know about. If so could you point it out?In post 374, Antihero wrote:i have a really strong townread on beast. so, yeah, i'm really interested when someone scum reads him (no matter how "slight"). it doesn't help that you're trying to flip the script on me and threaten me into letting it go.
Post 15 was townish but it's starting to become a faded memory so you probably have a good point. I'm planning do some updated analysis and post new reads on Sunday. Time to see who is trying to slip under the radar.Antihero wrote:bob has done no scumhunting in any shape or form so far this game (calling monkeyman "town for not reading the setup" is the closest he gets)
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@beastcharizard - Are you still reading Katarina LeBlanc as town? You mentioned that you knew her from another site, so maybe you can explain how her nonsensical rambling is town.
Note: I don't use fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software.In post 401, Antihero wrote:or he used that fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software. not really sure.
As is your concillatory post. However, I still want you to explain why beastcharizard is town.In post 407, Antihero wrote:well, khan's latest reach-out post is actually pretty town.
I think scum-PeregrineV would be moar likely to dismiss the activity charge by saying "I've changed guys". Is that your only reason for having a sole vote on him?In post 409, Bicephalous Bob wrote:oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote
pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him
No tell is 'infallible'. You know this. Plus, are you applying it properly thought?In post 497, GreyICE wrote:Because, as I said, the ashmed tell, properly applied, is infallible.
The amished tell is to point out that your predecessor was pretty scummy. mnemonicdevice just noted the lack of content.
The huge post of crap analysis might have earned a vote, but right now it looks like my top scum-read is trying to push a policy lynch. Not joining that wagon.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Well, it depends. Every game is different. But generally I like to keep my vote on whoever I have the strongest scumread. And this game it's been GreyICE.In post 520, Antihero wrote:khan, your vote's been stationary for about 20 pages now. what's the deal with that? are you usually a wagon-shy player?
Plus the fact that he responded by counter-voting me and leaving it there for almost as long killed my incentive to move it.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Oh my, no. It's fucking horrible.In post 525, Antihero wrote:zombie man's analysis really reads genuine to you, khan?
Scummy? Absolutely.
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Yeah, I've learned a lot from being here for a while. Like the fact that there's generally an attrition rate in large games. So instead of power rushing to end a day and have a bunch of poor reads on new replacements on Day 2, I'd rather stretch out Day 1 a bit to shake the flakes and not have the game be a drag.In post 528, GreyICE wrote:I mean honestly. Lets assume for one second that this read was genuine, and you were actually town.
You would have spent the entire day doing nothing at all. Leaving me 9 votes away from lynch, and pushing the wagon with about as much effect as a flea pushing a lion.
I mean lets pretend you've learned SOMETHING in the 8 years you've spent on site. Does that strike you like you've used that knowledge for anything productive, Genghis?
How are you attacking me with this when you've done the exact same thing? Would I have been more productive if I posted a lame empty "Hey let's lynch GreyICE gogogo" every five post like you've done?
I've been giving reads and interacting with many people. Which is a shitty thing for scum to do. You are barely interacting with anyone and taking shitty potshots to piss people off, which is a fantastic strategy for scum.
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Sure you're not. The minute anyone says "Woah, hold on let me consider my options..." you assault them with colorful gems like: "Shit or get off the pot, assclown".In post 532, GreyICE wrote:Yeah except I'm not pushing for a 24 hour speed lynch.
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Ugh. What is this? This is the stupidest..In post 537, GreyICE wrote:Khan is scum because of behavior, and deserves his inevitable lynch. That being said, he's counting on his clownish behavior covering for his buddy at this point, with the idea that if I get distracted he'll be able to wiggle out of the wagon through being a better player.
It's not going to work. Mnemonic is scum, and Khan is just revving a chainsaw.
I know this is WIFOM, but as scum why the fuck would I put myself on the line for mnemonic device? Wouldn't it be ten thousand times easier just to bus him and cement myself in towncred?
The theory of "Khan is so deluded he thinks that he can save all his scum buddies" is the sort of theory that no town player legitimately entertains long enough to write a post about it. Scum don't save scumbuddies that get multiple votes in a short time span. They wagon them. For fuck's sake I really don't understand why anybody has a townread on you.
Oh, and you can't call it a chainsaw if you keep pulling the ripcord and putting it in my hands. I'm not trying to stop the johnny mnemonic lynch, I'm just not taking part of it.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Wow, really? I PMed the moderator a week ago on April 1 after you called me "KKK". I can withstand all the "Captain Fuckwits" you want to throw at me. But calling me by the same initials as a violently racist organization is way over the line so yes, I'm going to ask the moderator to step in because I sure as hell know you're not going to listen to me.In post 592, GreyICE wrote:There's stats from newbie games in the Mafia Discussion forum. It's on the order of a newbie who replaces out is 50% more likely to be scum.
Also Khan has had the moderator pass on that he would like me to limit my behavior to the extremely civil discourse that is his trademark.
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^ Seems really sure that mnemonicdevice will flip town...In post 619, MonkeyMan576 wrote:So...which of the people at the end of this wagon are the most scummy?Occasionally intellectually honest
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I haven't revised my reads to take into account the morning flips yet. Katarina LeBlanc is just striking me as pretending too hard to be stupid. So it's a good place to park my vote.In post 679, Antihero wrote:
oh? i'm intrigued.In post 677, Kublai Khan wrote:If Bicephalous Bob is the SK, then let the mafia kill him.
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc
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All the Day 2 Bicephalous Bob votes are bad, but this one is the worst. Both PeregrineV and mnemonic device were trying to bus-revive a Bicephalous Bob wagon as mnemonic device was being lynched while Bicephalous Bob was hard-bussing PeregrineV right back?In post 694, MafiaSSK wrote:I see a Bob and beast team. Bob looks pretty good of those two tho...
VOTE: Bob
Townish? I think I know why you're asking, but it's pretty circumstantial.In post 698, Antihero wrote:twisted read?
It's on the wiki.In post 705, beastcharizard wrote:long story short the mods decided it was a bad idea to put all the combinations in the OP so they didn't this time.
I did? I don't recall giving your PeregrineV an iota of consideration.In post 744, Bicephalous Bob wrote:anyway khan was the only one to seriously respond to my rambling about pv
I do and the moderators do.In post 757, Antihero wrote:does anyone have a town read on khan? like a real one?
Not really understanding the wagon o me. Lots of people hiding under Antihero's skirt and not using their own noggins.
Katarina LeBlanc and MonkeyMan576 are most likely to flip scum according to my re-read.Occasionally intellectually honest
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I don't have a good why not. Except maybe I have stronger feelings elsewhere.In post 781, Bicephalous Bob wrote:why not mafiassk
Also might as well ask why not Lords of the Unreal? Their votes are about 80% similar. read them in double ISO. It's eerie.
Looking back, I was more asking for you to give me a better reason to care about your case on PeregrineV. Someone just pointing at meta isn't convincing despite being correct.In post 783, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
you said pv scum was more likely to address his metaIn post 780, Kublai Khan wrote:
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Post 596In post 794, Antihero wrote:
right...In post 780, Kublai Khan wrote:Katarina LeBlanc and MonkeyMan576 are most likely to flip scum according to my re-read.
a sentence or two about this...?Occasionally intellectually honest
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@turkish: katarina scumread is based on the fact that she absolurely skated day one and has nothing to show for it. Metal sonic is in this same boat.
@antihero: law of scumspread is that at least 1scummate was on the mnemonic wagon. Monkeyman's reason for jumping on the wagon was that mnemonic didnt do anything scummy, but guzame did. Doesn't that strike you as bullshit?
Though reading further your twisted case is good and you picked up on more than I did. I thought you were talking only of the hammer vote.
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Can we shit-can all SK-hunting talk? Because it's the most anti-town thing to do.
Yes, the SK has a night-kill and can kill townies. Sure, whatever. But right now the night fighting is the mafia trying to kill the SK and vice-versa. As long as both need to kill each other, they are (or should) be leaving the towniest players alone and going after the lurkers and the anti-town. If we try to and succeed in lynching the SK, then the mafia can switch to hunting and eliminating town PRs.
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Both of you missed this question.In post 823, Kublai Khan wrote:@twistef: how were you confident that mnemonic wasn't a town pr?Occasionally intellectually honest
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No goddamn VC since April 13th....
Khan's Unofficial VC.
MafiaSSK (1) - jbomber732
Kublai Khan (5) - Metal Sonic, Katarina LeBlanc, beastcharizard, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal
Katarina LeBlanc (1) - MafiaSSK
Hopkirk (2) - Turkish Van, Twisted Advice
jbomber732 (1) - MonkeyMan576
Twisted Advice (3) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Bicephalous Bob
Not Voting (2) - notscience, burn_209
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@Lords of the Unreal -{Later followed by another Katarina LeBlanc vote.} Can you explain any of your actions?
Also, can you stop the bullshit apathetic act? You guys are just voting the biggest wagon with little other rhyme or reason. Either explain, confess, or GTFO.
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Kublai Khan (5) - Metal Sonic, Katarina LeBlanc, beastcharizard, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal
Katarina LeBlanc (2) - Kublai Khan, MafiaSSK
Hopkirk (2) - Turkish Van, Twisted Advice
Twisted Advice (2) - Hopkirk, Bicephalous Bob
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jbomber732 (1) - MonkeyMan576
Not Voting (2) - notscience, burn_209
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Okay. I'm bored and 100% done with your bullshit. You're not scumhunting or even scum-reading me.In post 901, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:You should probably die now
Your case on me is based on 3 things. And two of them are bullshit. I barely interacted with PeregrineV and vice-versa. I was never on a "BOB YES" wagon.In post 756, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Also, right. I should've done this but
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Quit being dumb.
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I don't think MonkeyMan576 is town. He jumped on the mnemonic device lynch wagon for the most bullshit of reasons. He still hasn't addressed this. Your town-read on him is too generously given.In post 920, Twisted Advice wrote:What's with you and voting really townie players, Kublai Khan?Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 938, Metal Sonic wrote:Gg ta-khan scumteam
On the plus side, Metal Sonic can be placed in the town column. I don't see scum putting forward such a spastically bad post series.Occasionally intellectually honest
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He's a townread on gut. Lacking a reason to think he's scum, there are other players that are scummier and deserve to be put to the fire.In post 973, jbomber732 wrote:I'd like to hear everyones opinion on burn. I feel like hes pretty town, but he posts not very often and some of his posts seem a bit artificial.
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When balancing a game setup, adding a SK hurts the changes of the mafia winning. Therefore the mafia needs to eliminate the SK to increase their chances of winning. And if we don't SK-hunt during the day, then they are forced to SK-hunt during the night.In post 977, Turkish Van wrote:I really don't see this at all. Does a GreyICE kill by mafia look like SK-hunting? Yes, there's some truth to this statement because the SK did hit mafia, but I don't see as night Mafia vs. SK, I just don't.
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My was reason was that I read him as bussing mnemonic device because he joined the wagon with a bullshit reason.In post 1104, Antihero wrote:khan, would you mind doing me a solid and summarizing the case on monkey for me?Occasionally intellectually honest
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CLAIM NOW. (Seriously, you are at L-1 and are holding up the game).In post 1151, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm here. Just got off a weekend of work, so I'll start catching up. Can I get a tl;dr as I go?Occasionally intellectually honest
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VOTE: Aj The EpicIn post 1157, Aj The Epic wrote:VT. If you're gonna lynch this slot, just tell me. I'm not going to waste my time nor influence any thoughts if that's the decision. I do not have the time to read and make a proficient case, nor possess the thought process of whoever I replaced (I assume it was notscience?).
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I did what now?In post 1160, Twisted Advice wrote:But KK, how can you disobey the mighty anti-amished tell?Occasionally intellectually honest
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That's easily faked. Especially since he technically had enough time to read everything and not knowing who one's predecessor is a little weird.In post 1163, Twisted Advice wrote:AJ didn't know who he replaced, must not have isoed his predecessor
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In post 900, Kublai Khan wrote:@Lords of the Unreal -{Later followed by another Katarina LeBlanc vote.} Can you explain any of your actions?
Also, can you stop the bullshit apathetic act? You guys are just voting the biggest wagon with little other rhyme or reason. Either explain, confess, or GTFO.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Then convince me to vote Lords of the Unreal over you. I'm pretty sure one of the two of you are scum.In post 1276, MafiaSSK wrote:I'm seriously back to being a policy lynch? Ugh.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Strong gut.In post 1290, Antihero wrote:
oh? why's that?In post 1278, Kublai Khan wrote:
Then convince me to vote Lords of the Unreal over you.In post 1276, MafiaSSK wrote:I'm seriously back to being a policy lynch? Ugh.I'm pretty sure one of the two of you are scum.Occasionally intellectually honest
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^Scum.In post 1294, zMuffinMan wrote:nowhere near finished reading. chillax a bit on the votes for a day or soOccasionally intellectually honest
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I did have a really town read on burn_209.In post 1297, jbomber732 wrote:
I actually sorta agree. However, there is the fact that burn was pretty towny. I don't know whether we should forget about this or not..In post 1296, Kublai Khan wrote:
^Scum.In post 1294, zMuffinMan wrote:nowhere near finished reading. chillax a bit on the votes for a day or so
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You realize the only difference between your earlier play and your current play so far is that you're saying that you care.In post 1320, MafiaSSK wrote:Now I do care.
Why did you have a scumread when you didn't care? Why is your scumread stronger now that you care?
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