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In post 4434, dragonspawn wrote:In post 4432, SilverWolf wrote:dragon-tell me why you outed this now?
We need more info. The town is getting killed by the scum. Transparency is the best way we are going to catch them.
Is it just you and oz or is there a third member?
And you decided not to let me decide when the best time to reveal was because?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4446, dragonspawn wrote:If I'm scum what's my reason for outting you?
I think this sentence above is very telling. You want to look town. You outed information you have been holding onto all game because you wanted to look like you were helping town.
It came specifically at at time you were being questioned for your terrible GM push by a few people and being told you weren't doing anything. Rather than answer the questions and explain yourself better, you decided to divert attention off of yourself onto me and Ozgin by outing this information now instead of letting us do it.
It's the timing of it that bothers me dragon and the motivation behind you doing it that bugs me.
I also see scum wanting to know about these things as well as town. I was hard townreading you and defending you to GM and Aero specifically because of the way you handled the crumbing House did.
Neither one of us cares that this info. is out there but your reasoning and timing for it sucks and is scummy dragon.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4450, dragonspawn wrote:So did house tell you why he crumbled to begin with?
Yes, He said if you were town you'd keep your mouth shut and if you were scum you'd manipulate his crumbing.
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In post 4454, Cheetory6 wrote:
Not sure how I feel about dragon's outing of the neighbors, but I'm not sure why it's as blatantly scummy as people are trying to imply? I think it's bad play, but like.. I'm not sure I understand how he's distracting from himself given that outing a PR is going to just draw attention back to himself? Unless I'm misunderstanding where people are coming from on that, in which case by all means, explain it to me.
Yeah, I'll outline this more later after dragon responds to what has been said already.
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Kitz: I haven't forgotten about your original big post either.
Also, I have some stuff posted in the hood on a couple people I need to get post links for and then post but there's this little matter of time!!Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4465, dragonspawn wrote:In post 4463, SilverWolf wrote:Kitz: I haven't forgotten about your original big post either.
Also, I have some stuff posted in the hood on a couple people I need to get post links for and then post but there's this little matter of time!!
Relax wolf. Day just started.no one is going to rush a lynch
I'm going to use ika's patented tried and true scumhunting method here:
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In post 4469, Shinobi wrote:In post 4468, SilverWolf wrote:In post 4465, dragonspawn wrote:In post 4463, SilverWolf wrote:Kitz: I haven't forgotten about your original big post either.
Also, I have some stuff posted in the hood on a couple people I need to get post links for and then post but there's this little matter of time!!
Relax wolf. Day just started.no one is going to rush a lynch
I'm going to use ika's patented tried and true scumhunting method here:
dragon-Are you scum?
Why is what he said scummy and why aren't you following up on you thinking I'm suspicious?
I explained why he was scummy yesterday although I just now realize I quoted the wrong quote of his to ask him that question but I was in a hurry so whatever.
I never said I was suspicious of you. I said you, or anyone for that matter, should not be cleared due to go nowhere tracker results. That's pretty much all I said unless I'm missing something I need to be following up on with you. If so, quote it or spell it out because I'm super busy and not going to go looking for things right now.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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This game is confusing the fuck out of me right now. I don't know who the scum are and it's pissing me off.
I think dragon might be scum because of how he handled the neighbourhood business and the extremely shit case he's been pushing on GM plus dodging questions, etc. But up until recently I was townreading him so I really don't know for sure. I am townreading Aero and GM and if they want him dead, I feel like I can sort of trust that.
I also feel like this whole TSO, Shinobi, Marquis thing is all town in a way but then I realize how the scum in the game have been lynching town into the ground, admittedly with town's help but still, while not getting lynched themselves and therefore there has to be experienced players among the scumteam and maybe one of them is scum.
Then there's Kitz who is all kinds of WTF that I sometimes want to read as town and sometimes want to read as scum for it.
Ozgin I feel pretty good about being town. elusive is maybe town or town enough I'm not up for a wagon there
Cheetory's AtE is really bugging me and yes, I have examples but outside of that, his ISO doesn't look bad. However, that doesn't mean he isn't skilled scum and his vote on the FA wagon is bad.
Wake was scummy as shit and I have all those posts as well showing that. Marquis, I'm not sure. Sometimes he makes posts that make me go huh? with his weird voting and explanations for things. Then, he makes a few posts that feel very town to me so I'm confused.
I'll post the Cheetory and Wake posts as soon as I have time to copy and paste them and do the post links thing and I guess I'll answer Kitz's wall and then I want feedback on the posts I put here regarding Cheetory and Wake and take it from there.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4517, Shinobi wrote:What about Aeronaut?
So far, a town vibe on Aero.
Do you think otherwise?
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In post 4518, dragonspawn wrote:Wolf I've been town reading you since the beginning of the game. I've got too many games right now. I'm not sure about oz.
Quite frankly I'm feeling burnt out tonight. I thought about subbing out but I don't want to be a dick to ika and don't like backing down from my commitments.
If you guys want to lynch me I understand. But I'm genuinely am town.
I feel like we are still in day 1 mode and not any closer.
OK, OK, don't sub out. Calm down. Let me just think about this for a minute. You freaked me out when you outed my neighbourhood. Just relax. I'm not screaming for your lynch or anything like that right now. We have plenty of time.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4522, Shinobi wrote:In post 4519, SilverWolf wrote:In post 4517, Shinobi wrote:What about Aeronaut?
So far, a town vibe on Aero.
Do you think otherwise?
I'm open to other opinions on any one in the game because I kind of feel lost to be totally honest.
I don't know. He's just kind of been here and I don't really see anyone talking about him much at all.
So...Why not Aeronaut?
Not sure, it's just kind of a townie vibe, kind of a little bit of gut but I'll admit I haven't looked into him a lot either. I would have to see a case or a post or something from someone showing he's scummy for me to look at I guess or re-ISO myself.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4529, Marquis wrote:
i actually cannot see a scenario where he's been a townread/trusted as a voice of reason amid the vf/abr/math insanity for this long and is alive and town.
Well, I've been thinking this on a few people. Why are they still alive? But you have to remember scum have been taking out PR's every night and there has been a protect role alive for quite awhile now, so I'm inclined not to use this as a method for scumreading anyone at this point in the game.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4535, Shinobi wrote:Why are people under the impression that therehasto be one mafia in the experienced player group of Shinobi/TSO/Marquis?
Doesn't Aeronaut fall under that category as well or what?
Because I'm paranoid and feel like scum knows what they are doing this game and IMO you three along with probably GM and Cheetory have the most skill at the game. I'm not saying this is a for sure thing but it is something I am at least looking at.
Cheetory and Wake posts incoming next.
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I'm just going to post Cheetory and Wake posts that bug me and I'd like feedback one way or another on this because I can't decide between frustrated town or AtE/angry scum. Between town not having time to play or scum trying to get out of taking a stand.
Cheetory: 2542/2544 is AtE, 3903is more complaining now about game being boring, 4099 certain TSO is scum, 4113 and 4114 AtE, 4122-nobody cares AtE, 4124-it's all unfair AtE, 4188-MORE AtE, 4191-good lord the AtE is stiffling at this point, 4232-WTF? Suddenly TSO is NOT scum and FA looks good?, 4250-mockingly bad vote on FA
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1482-no time to play, 1580-attacks Ellie badly when she calls him scum for good reasons, 1634-makes excuses when dragon asks good questions about where he stands, 1728-admits to not voting at all, 1738-hostile reaction to me asking him to take a stand on something, 1743-hostile reaction to me not being able to read him due to his play, 1748-hostile reaction to me asking him to vote, 1757-more scumreading me for questioning him-this is when we are near the end of the day and need his vote and he's wasting time here, 1808-first part is very bad response to elusive's good point, 2628-flippant response about too much to read and saying he's going to blow off the game, 2642-asked questions on players and refuses to take a stand, 3057-hammers VF, 3406/3422-outs Math as vengeful who was killed overnight, 3578, 3579, 3582-ooc anger and refusal to give any sort of reads, 3590-calls me scum for trying to calm him down which is random because that was a friendship thing, not a game thing on my part at leastDarkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4545, Aeronaut wrote:What do you think about Marquis' play today?
I liked 4529 quite a bit.
What do you think of dragon's 4518?
Both of these posts are making me wonder if I am wrong to be scumreading them because dragon's seems genuine and Marquis' seems like those reads are pretty transparent and don't look fabricated at all.
So that's kind of why I'm re-thinking things and asking for input.
Cheetory's vote on the FA wagon is bad but most of his ISO doesn't look that bad except the things I pointed out.
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In post 4547, Aeronaut wrote:
You're one of the people who knows dragon from that other site, right? Is this indicative of his regular town game? Or does it seem different?
Well, the not well explained votes is kind of what he does and is a playstyle thing for him I think.
The comments regarding boasting scum, town sure is failing, and I leave for a day and you rush a lynch-all that stuff is odd.
The beginning of his ISO looks fine and typical dragon but the stuff in the middle and up until the last two days is really not all that great, however even though I hated him outing the neighbourhood and how he did it, his play today seems a lot better.
I am going to dig deeper into his ISO and meta to see if I can figure this out when I have more time.
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In post 4559, goodmorning wrote:Won't lynch: Cheetory6, Aeronaut
Could lynch: Marquis, dragonspawn, SilverWolf
Would lynch: Shinobi, Ozgin, Kitz
Should lynch: T S O, elusive
This is kind of where my head is at right now.
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In post 4601, Shinobi wrote:(I'm aware that feels don't make someone town but, with Kitz' life on the line, why not take a chance?)
What does this mean?
I don't get it.
I forget about Kitz sometimes and frankly, that worries me quite a bit when I forget about a person in a game.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4607, T S O wrote:In post 4599, SilverWolf wrote:GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it.
GM is borderline not playing this game at all - I feel twitchy and uncomfortable about that. Make her do things.
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In post 4611, T S O wrote:SilverWolf, can you summarise anything said you feel is alignment-relevant in your Neighbourhood to here? Ooba, if you think she misses anything, feel free to add it in.
Well, it's 14 pages long and has over 330 posts in it so I'll re-look at everything again to refresh my memory. I was scumreading House in the beginning because he was so reserved and then started townreading him when he started engaging me, giving reads, building cases, etc. Ozgin has been doing the same thing which is why I think he's likely town.
I mean, I'll re-look again, but I sure don't see anything suspicious or I would of outed it here.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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So dragon, I noticed once the pressure came off you, you haven't come back to post.
Aero-I still don't understand how you switched your vote when you were so set on dragon. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. At least give me a case on TSO. Is he aggressive as scum?
Kitz-your vote looks like a great big pile of OMGUS and you used that no fear of dying shit on me too and it's stupid. You have no idea who is safe and who isn't unless you are scum yourself.
GM-I would like you to at least try to explain your list of reads a little bit, I feel like you are not going to be lynched and you are using it to your advantage.
VOTE: Cheetory
I feel like your AtE this game has been out of proportion to what the game really calls for and I don't feel like you ever made a decent case on FA. Your interactions with TSO are bizarre at best. I think you haven't been looked at as much as some of the others and you need to be.
FoS: Kitz for your selective quoting of me earlier in the thread, picking out people you feel are safe which is ridiculous and basically being UTR for a good part of the game especially recently, your OMGUS of Shinobi, and your lack of committed opinions until now.
FoS: Dragon, for outing my neighborhood under pressure, slacking off in his play, not giving good reasons behind his votes, and disappearing when the pressure is off.
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Also, Ozgin please give us more opinions and answer my question in the hood please. I know you are extremely busy and I get that so just do what you can.
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I already told you everything in your wall of text is answered and Math was killed because Wake outed her as a venegful townie it the thread. Wake was very scummy which I also pointed out. There's also a doc in this setup which could of been saving people and/or a BP protection going on.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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I'd actually like someone who knows Shinobi better than me explain him if they can. His recent activity in the game looks o.k. to me and not scummy but before that I was pretty neutral on him. He's a hard read for me as is TSO. Both of those are very difficult reads for me.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Scum would not want Math to be lynched if she's vengeful. It was pretty obvious she wanted to be lynched for a reason and Jester isn't possible. I do agree it's weird she's the kill because she said she was BP with a post restriction but she also said she could screw them over if she is lynched and was begging for it.
I really don't know why she was killed. Trying to read too much into why scum do what they do is just chasing our tails and running in circles sometimes due to the WIFOM involved.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4625, Kitz wrote:In post 4624, SilverWolf wrote:Scum would not want Math to be lynched if she's vengeful.
Let's see... What makes Scum super-scared?
Is there an obvious slip that Math could have seen?
Why isn't the scummy others a viable option?
What's the chance of (L/M)YLO if she targeted a town?
If we answer correctly, we might see potential players who'd be scared.
OK, How about this? I don't have time now but we re-look at the Math posts interactions and see how people reacted to her and see if that tells us anything.
I'm not expecting much but who knows? Maybe there will be a clue that will help us.
I'm kind of frustrated with this game because I honestly feel like I have no clue who the scum are or how to find them at this point. I also get paranoid when people start changing their votes or reads for no reasons that I can really see.
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In post 4631, elusive wrote:
The other thing I'm putting out there is, in a role heavy setup (?) is it possible mafia have a doctor and therefore vig kill isn't going through because of that? Considering we had two?
It is possible that scum have another PR besides RBer but there is really no way to know for sure. I'm not sure if we have a vig or if we do, if it was just one shot or what.
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Here's the reason Shinobi gave for a Kitz lynch. Does it make sense to you guys?
In post 4614, Shinobi wrote:
I've also explained that killing Kitz would be grand because she keeps calling me mafia for little to nothing, and it seems like she keeps coming up with excuses to scumread me. She's been on about lynching me since day 1 and hasn't really ever gotten to it nor has she had any interest in questioning me.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 4599, SilverWolf wrote:GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it. Feel the same way about Ozgin.
I agree with this pretty much. I don't see a world where GM is scum this game, really.
Me either. I'm with you on this read. I'm pretty much town on you and GM and to a lesser extent Ozgin and elusive (they need to post more). Shinobi and TSO I'm going to be honest and say I really can't figure out and may have to trust others with reading them. I do have some problems with some of the others for various reasons but I think I've touched on all of that already.
I won't let us NL so that is something to keep in mind in who I vote for as well.
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I'd like to not lynch people who are trying to play. The apathy is killing this game and is perfect for scum. I realize some are on V/LA and are not included but still. I have no clue how to move this game forward at this point. I'm willing to listen to any ideas.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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OK, I tried doing an ISO and meta dive on T S O and my head hurts trying to figure him out. I'm going to trust you guys know his play better than me and can help me with that read. Same with Shinobi.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4680, ika wrote:
I'm fixing this for ika because I know he was tired and cranky last night. Added in non voters and deadline to help us as well.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Ugh................................Is this really going to become a choice between Marquis and T S O?
Night kills-There were plenty of outed PR's for scum to pick from, they could of hit a BP as I keep saying, someone else could of been protected by the doc that scum wanted to kill as well.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles
Modifiers which are explicitly Normal include:
Even/Odd Night, Non-Consecutive Night, X-Shot, Bulletproof, Neighbor, Compulsive, Macho, Weak, Backup (with or without primary role present)
Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.
Modifiers which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
N/A
Normal Games may use any amount of approved roles (so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved modifiers.
New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4767, Shinobi wrote:I have 4 votes on me. The only one that's even remotely justified is GM's.
Christ.
In post 4770, Shinobi wrote:Nobody fucking cares what you think about the interactions or how they matter at all. Kitz is voting me for bullshit as of right now and she was on the exact same spot on your lynch list as I was, and it didn't seem to bother you at all.
Kitz is voting for Marquis, the only person voting for you is Cheetory.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4739, Kitz wrote:In post 4736, T S O wrote:Kitz, vote Marquis.
Hmm, my condition for that vote is that you post a reads-list of everyone currently alive chronologically.
VOTE: Marquis
In post 4800, Kitz wrote:VOTE: Shinobi
Based on this just recent behavior.
P-Edit :
What was the deleted post?
Please explain both these votes in more detail Kitz.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4715, T S O wrote:In post 4706, goodmorning wrote:In post 4690, T S O wrote:I'm afraid you won't actually be able to get it, little man - I have something which makes me 100% town, and you don't, though I'd really rather not reveal it unless I have to.
I don't believe you.
Yes, I know you want to try to force my hand into revealing it and feed scum the information - I have no intentions of doing it.
In post 4706, goodmorning wrote:In post 4698, T S O wrote:The reason I think that it's possible that NS absorbed my kill is that there are missing scum kills, and I see no way for them to disappear unless NS blocked them. Furthermore, he most definitely knows the calibre of my town game - a few months ago, as town, I caught his scumpartner in his first post d1. I strongmanned the lynch through, before we went on to lynch NS the same day and win in 15 pages.(It was a Double Dip mechanic.) I don't see who NS would protect here over me, to be arrogant.
I clicked through and saw that it was just Hopkirk? Come on, man, he's often lynchbait-y anyway. Try catching AP in one post, then you'll have a story.
None of these things matter - the fact remains I nailed Hopkirk d1, and NS saw this. NS was not in that game you linked and didn't see your play.
In post 4706, goodmorning wrote:Anyway, NS is familiar enough with my play that he knows I'm occasionally underestimated. Like the time I got Scum-him lynched as a 3p and went on to win.
Well, yeah, but it should also be said that everyone appeared to have you pegged as scum that game. zMuffin was screaming it, DeathNote was also saying it. And this was in 5p LyLo. You still won, which is what matters, but I don't feel it would install the level of fear in NS required to protect you over me.
Even though I know you're scum and so I shouldn't care about it, I still feel kinda bad about being so brashly arrogant. It's just I'd prefer to seem arrogant and get scum lynched rather than be coy and modest and let you manipulate people because of it.
In post 4706, goodmorning wrote:It's not like Town-you is the only person Scum would try to kill (unless I was Scum, see my last post). See the various claimed PRs etc.
The night I am specifically talking about is n3. MathBlade was not the scumkill.
In post 4716, goodmorning wrote:Since Deputy is technically 'Backup Cop,' I'd say probably.
p-edit: ZMuffin was screaming it because I kept stealing the ring back from him and he was pissed.
If you're saying Math was killed by Town, then you're an idiot, unless you're claiming that you're a Vig who shot her, in which case you're still an idiot but for different reasons.
I'm not particularly interested in manipulating anyone. That's not characteristic of either my towngame or my scumgame.
In post 4718, SilverWolf wrote:There is no way town has a cop, a deputy, a tracker, 2 non-consecutive docs, a vengeful, a full BP, and a vig. I don't give a rip how powerful the scumteam is.
In post 4719, SilverWolf wrote:OTOH-a vig with X-shot would explain all those kills N1.
Ugh.............................again.
In post 4720, T S O wrote:Stop your fucking set-up spec. Even if you think you know it, speculating on it has no benefit to anyone if you are town.
If you're scum, keep on speculating.
In post 4722, Cheetory6 wrote::/
Can you say whether you were one of the kills on N1?
I have a hard time seeing scum fakeclaiming vig in a game which I'm pretty sure has one based on N1.
In post 4723, Marquis wrote:god how i wish i was scum this game because then tso's characterization of me would be something i'd so enjoy doing
i'll be back later today. tso, i want a fullclaim. stop beating around the bush and trying to be coy with it, because if you're actually town at this point scum are probably the only ones who know what you're constantly alluding toDarkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4815, Kitz wrote:In post 4810, SilverWolf wrote:OK, So you weren't scumreading Marquis?
Nope.
So you voted for someone you weren't scumreading.
OK then...................................Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 4820, T S O wrote:No, but I thought I actually claimed, SilverWolf. As in, I didn't make the claim based on insinuation - I outright said it in one post.
I can't find that one either.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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