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i can't tell which are jokea and which aren't, and i don't know anything about most of you.
claiming flavour is dangerous, it says so in the first post. so, i would also say to avoid claiming any abilities unless you must/they are negative utility, because they could help the mafia figure out your flavour.
forgive me for stating the obvious, as i'm pretty sure i'm one of the newest players here. :<-
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that's the specifics of it, grapes.In post 1, Varsoon wrote:Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore, I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.
i suggest everyone give a careful read through of the setup/rules, if they haven't.
Firebringer: i saw Kubo and the Two Strings recently. it was excellent.-
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it's a stop-motion adventure story set in ancient Japan. it's by Laika, the studio that animated Coraline, Paranorman, the Box Trolls, and some unknown-to-me part of Corpse Bride.
edit: Rational, would you ally with me? i'm aware you've known of my existence for all of an hour.-
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damn it all.In post 77, Firebringer wrote:I am sorry people who want to ally with me, but I think my heart belongs to Shiro.
there goes my top choice. :<-
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Rational: i've skimmed the first Steven Universe game. also:
"if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game. "
i agree with 83, too. well, obviously.-
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you can't vote right now. this phase is just for discussion and setting up alliances.
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no, thank you.In post 101, Creature wrote:
Oh right, wanna ally?In post 96, Not Chara wrote:you can't vote right now. this phase is just for discussion and setting up alliances.
who i'm allying has already been decided.
edit: Cerb, i hope you've watched the episodes out for season 4! again, still good.-
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disagreement between your two heads, or between you and Firebringer?In post 134, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
OK. Enjoy our perpetual disagreement and being townread.In post 132, Firebringer wrote:
Not going to get in a meta debate here, but this is rubbish.In post 127, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:*shrug* You oughta know by now I perceive even questions about possible crumbs as a good idea as role fishing.-
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nice to meet you too! i'm terrible at it.In post 145, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Not Chara, I'm inacapable of the feat. How good are you at shitposting? Nice to meet you.
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i don't have a comment on Firebringer's propensity for complaining/his meta at all, so.
yes, they should. healthy eating begins and ends with a BLT, plus 3 pounds of chocolate to round out one's day.In post 146, Reasonably Rational wrote:The BLT sounds delicious though. Everyone should listen to Not Chara about food.-
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why is SirCakez in your town pile, and why is grapes maybe town?
edit: Yume, plenty of players haven't posted since you've asked. there's no need to rush, i'm sure you'll find a partner.-
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ok, thank you. i see where you're coming from.In post 226, farside22 wrote:
Fixed.In post 224, farside22 wrote:Sorry bad auto correct at the end.
I liked sir cakez post against mcmenno
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true, but the conversation is about who would be picked to be nightkilled. so, nothing to do with the player's role.In post 228, Yume wrote: Yes, though disagree that only scum can survive to endgame. There are ways to achieve that without being scum (ex. unrestricted bulletproof etc)
i don't think it's strange for a player to expect to survive to near the endgame, if that's been their experience before.
but where did kraska claim that they would?-
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really? why?In post 237, Firebringer wrote:I think RR is scum btw.-
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oh, thank you.In post 238, Reasonably Rational wrote:They didn't claim to survive till end game, but they are planning for their survival through till the first Season Finale at least, which is mid game.
in that case, i don't think there's too much to read into there.
Firebringer: that doesn't really help me, but i get the sense this is how you play.-
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this is mafia. is anyone a prequel vigilante? goodness.In post 247, Shiro wrote:Hey guys I got to say something
Steven universe is awesome but to be honest?
Adventure time is better yo, Where's the adventure time mafia at D:
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this explanation makes more sense to me. it has thought process, i wouldn't call this gut.In post 244, Firebringer wrote:
It makes more sense if you understand the players.In post 242, Not Chara wrote:
oh, thank you.In post 238, Reasonably Rational wrote:They didn't claim to survive till end game, but they are planning for their survival through till the first Season Finale at least, which is mid game.
in that case, i don't think there's too much to read into there.
Firebringer: that doesn't really help me, but i get the sense this is how you play.
Like the list of players = Made no sense to me, and when I read my own name I was kind like "what?", kind of glazed over it.
From his perspective I don't think those players are good for sorting, but they are good for deceiving and possibly getting info out of, at least thats what I think.
The way he talks to players shows he wants everyone getting along, he is trying assume leadership role already. That is easy enough to tell regardless what alignment is, but there is definitely lack of actualy poking at anyone.
Then the way he went about suggesting to use "Yumes" ability?
Yeah, no. That makes no sense, why you would suggest to use it.
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this is a boooooooring post, Creature! :>In post 263, Creature wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-
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huh. i actually agree with this, kind of.In post 271, Creature wrote:No, I can't get much without votes.
i had the same thought, but now i'm thinking intent is just as important as whether there's a vote that the mod is tallying or not.-
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mastin: if you're a miller, you should at least claim that.
i'm against flavour claims and ability claims, but any negative-utilities should be on the table in plain terms, without hinting at one's flavour role.-
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what 'people' are you referring to? only one other person mentioned mastin's claim, and while i'm with you on that one, what i wanted was for mastin to make it clear if what she had was negative utility or not. which is what you've just said players should claim here.In post 280, Reasonably Rational wrote:Stop rolefishing Mastin people. Varsoon could not possibly have made it more clear than he did that flavor claiming is a bad thing. Let me quote him for the people who didn't read the freaking mechanics:
I added emphasis. Scum has the ability to hurt us for flavor claiming and trying to game the game that way.In post 1, Varsoon wrote:As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore,I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.
We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.
TheONLYthing that people should claim at this point is negative utility. Anything else is just fucking stupid; plain and simple.
So seriously ... stop fucking fishing for shit people.
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there is... a lot of anger in Drixx.
what you've said about Firebringer indicates scum, but you're still talking directly to them. is Firebringer scum or misguided town, which is it?-
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Drixx, this was the post. i'm not sure how you misinterpreted my intent from this. i couldn't have been more clear.In post 275, Not Chara wrote:mastin: if you're a miller, you should at least claim that.
i'm against flavour claims and ability claims, but any negative-utilities should be on the table in plain terms, without hinting at one's flavour role.-
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if you're progressed to full-on crytyping, i'd suggest a nap.In post 295, Killthestory wrote:im confused and tired but il dia htsotfuf monetaityb inmaybe in ab it-
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'way out of my way'? i quoted a single recent post.In post 312, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Thank you for going way out of your way to make it really clear you weren't asking Mastin to claim more ... by quoting yourself telling mastin specifically to claim whether miller or not and also telling mastin to claim neg utility in plain terms.In post 293, Not Chara wrote:
Drixx, this was the post. i'm not sure how you misinterpreted my intent from this. i couldn't have been more clear.In post 275, Not Chara wrote:mastin: if you're a miller, you should at least claim that.
i'm against flavour claims and ability claims, but any negative-utilities should be on the table in plain terms, without hinting at one's flavour role.
The question is should I give you the benefit of the doubt or not?
You see: Steven Universe and Steven Universe Prequel and pretty much all of the Varsoon games based upon actual shows/games have strong flavor reasons for the abilities and roles people are assigned. So asking Mastin to explain her negative role utility "in plain terms" actuallyISfishing for flavor in a Varsoon game. It's really enough that she told us there's neg utility with her role and it's probably too much that she made such a big deal about wanting to say more.
this is a language/terminology disagreement, and i've had enough of those.
from the games i've read, i had the understanding that claiming negative utility meant claiming what you were. if you were a miller for example, you would say so, to tell anyone thinking about it that investigating you would be useless. claiming a vague negative utility seems to have no actual benefit. except for when one claims later, to say 'see, i already told you i was negative utility'. what am i misunderstanding?
and, i don't see how you can call it fishing with intent for such when you felt you had to explain to mewhyit was fishing.-
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i know whyIn post 322, Almost50 wrote:
Because:In post 218, Not Chara wrote:if you're town, your ally claiming their role/flavour to you can only be helpful, Almost50. mind telling me why you feel so strongly about this?
1- Scum have been provided with GOOD fake claims already. It's in the rules. I don't want to end up town reading my ally and spelling my guts to them when they're in fact SCUM.
2- They'd expect me to do teh same, which -again- I don't want to do in case I', reading them wrong.
Ask Cerb. He'll tell you what happened in the last VARSOON game we played, where KC totally fooled me, Nahdia fooled both Cerb & ABR, and we ended up massacred by the scum team for having wrong reads and sharing secrets with them.youwouldn't want to claim to your partner, but asking them not to claim to you is what is strange to me. it isn't as though you're forced to claim because they have. would your ally claiming to you really make you trust them that much? (especially when town should be afraid of scum knowing their role)-
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Rational: i don't like this response. to Firebringer, it's "mastin has called you scum, and she is a good scumhunter" but when it's about you, it's "you're not that good at reading me".
and 'stop being silly'? this feels like an attempt to win over mastin. no paranoia at all?
and you're saying you shouldn't have been expected to comment on every read mastin makes, but you didn't mention me at all, despite that being the main crux of mastin's point.-
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360: i see, i suppose that makes sense.
i asked to ally with you because i thought you'd be interesting/wordy, based on your play in the first game. i didn't want to ally with a low-content poster. and, at the time, there were few players besides grapes i found myself interested in sharing a topic with. i also wanted to keep my options open in case grapes said no/started looking like mafia.-
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i don't think i'm allowed to give my full reasoning on grapes. they did seem town here.
i asked the way i did because i wanted to see how you would answer. your list was obviously based on what you knew of these players beforehand. if i'd asked directly, i'm sure you would have told me about your personal experience with those players... which, unfortunately, i'm not very interested in. but, this is all in hindsight. i can't tell you exactly what i was thinking at the time, i just saw the post and asked the question as it occurred to me. :>-
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how much substance could one even have when talking about a short question? and how did you get not a single bit of information after those questions? you even said it wasn't playstyle indicative, even though i'd noted my preference for both high-content posters and an ally i thought was town. (you, as an example, were looking to ally with players to 'sort' them, and i imagine others are as well) that isn't information?
OBK: i don't have very many, besides Firebringer and grapes being town. McMenno is strange, and Rational was a townread that has lapsed into something closer to null. i'd have to look back at their posts for why i noted down those reads, but i'm tired and i don't want to do work right now.-
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454 on McMenno.
why did you point McMenno out there specifically? is it because i used vague language, or are you interested in the player himself?
first few posts are just... strange, that's the only way i can think of to describe them. 47 for one, and the lack of reading that there is not voting this phase. just trolling and asking for alliances, the latter of which is fine, while the former is annoying. but i don't get the town-vibe from McMenno that i have with Firebringer.
not really a scumread, just a lot of posting i don't understand. like is he here for shits and giggles, or is he hunting? looking at his iso, 400 seems to indicate he's putting together reads of some sort...?-
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Firebringer stole your 'ew' at your own post?In post 459, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Fire, you stole my ewwwww. I am going to really have to shit post now. Maybe talk like a pirate.
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oh, so he stole your line.In post 463, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Ewwwwwwww is generally what I say at posts that feel off to me. Been saying it for awhile.In post 462, Not Chara wrote:
Firebringer stole your 'ew' at your own post?In post 459, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Fire, you stole my ewwwww. I am going to really have to shit post now. Maybe talk like a pirate.
Top o the morning matey.
Can you answer 454?
and, i imagine you've seen it now, but i did.-
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elaborate.In post 465, McMenno wrote:this mcmenno fellow is a strange one for sure
461 feels a little off to me, not sure what I think of chara currently-
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what do you think about him? i've read all i can and haven't reached an answer to my question to myself in 461.
a lot of players seemed to have missed that, and it seems on this site in general there is always a small group that either doesn't read or misunderstands the mod's rules. so i suppose, by itself, McMenno isn't strange for doing it. it just adds to the 'don't care' attitude he's been displaying thus far, which is why i can't really pin him down.-
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so do you believe your posting so far warrants a concrete town/scum read?In post 472, McMenno wrote:very wishy-washy-
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McMenno: i don't find it alignment indicative as it stands. i just don't understand not reading post 2.
when you say fault you, do you mean in a 'calling you scum for it' sense or a general sense?
OWK: we're using different definitions of strange. strange to mean 'i don't understand why you're doing this' is how i'm using it.
as for players i'd want to sort... i haven't really been thinking about it. Rational could be there, along with McMenno and SirCakez. but maybe i'm misunderstanding the question. anyone i don't have a read on is a player i'd like to sort, and i don't have a read on most of them.-
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why didn't you answer my questions in 486 and 475?In post 492, McMenno wrote:
I can't read youIn post 478, Firebringer wrote:mcmenno, what do you think of me?
interpret that sentence as you wish