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Post #18 (isolation #6) » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:45 pm
Postby thenewearth »
@MOD: Quick question... So after hammer, We all need to PM you another lynch target so we have 2 targets, right? So does this mean that It's also of popularity vote? And by luck... The person we wanted to lynch will live if not chosen?
Just confirming this rule so that I understand the game.
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Post #20 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:20 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 19, KX wrote:First, I assume that the anonymous target has to be different from the regular lynch target, correct? And second, are we allowed to talk about and discuss the anonymous vote, and so have everybody agree together who the second lynch option should be during regular voting hours?
Well maybe we can If it's of popular vote.
Or else it'd be like voting for a pirate king (Pirates of the Caribbean reference)
Where A pirate lord only votes for himself, Except when jack didn't vote for himself and made elizabeth the king. (More unrelated-to-the-game stuff)
Only that we're voting for the someone except ourselves.
What I'm trying to say is that when It comes down to 1 vote (e.g. I'm the last one to vote) I should very much know who to vote for if it's for the sake of my faction. Instead of randomly throwing my vote like that
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Post #33 (isolation #12) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:53 am
Postby thenewearth »
In post 30, CityElectric wrote:Would it be helpful if everyone claims a secondary lynch target at the end of the day? Before the real lynch is pushed out? IDK, I've never been good at theory stuff.
Or we could have a vote with another FoS
e.g.
Vote: Hamlet (Not a real vote but I already have a vote on him so... meh)
FoS: D3d3nd3r for being the mod (Huehuehuehuehue )
So it'd be way easier than giving the reads on when we're about to hammer making us cram till the deadline.
Or having all the FoS's at almost the end of the day maybe better because it'd be easier for us to see which vote is which.
Either way it has it's advantage and disadvantage. What say you guys? The former or the latter?
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Post #52 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:22 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 42, PimHel wrote:FoSing aside (Are there actually still people using them O.o?), I'm very against vote2. Easy to 'accidentaly' screw up. See rules, unvoting is not obligated.
That's why I said we use the term FoS instead of a vote 2.
But a DIE[PLAYER]DIE is good enough. But I'm so not going to make it rainbow color. Too lazy
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Post #56 (isolation #17) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:13 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 55, KX wrote:@thenewearth, you have yet to answer my question. Also, implying that a player is town, especially in such a way as Kid A had, isn't of any value; it's how you'd say something regardless of alignment. Defending something is not immediately anti-town, and isn't actually anti-town at all, so why do you make it out to be? As for saying "this should be good" when there really is nothing else to say on it, makes it seem as if you expect more to come, and overall how you've worded it makes it so you frame them as scum no matter what. Then directly after state what they did is generally town. And even then, you're thinking of claiming Vanilla Townie, which they didn't do; They simply implied they were of Town alignment, regardless of role.
Which question?
Sure defending isn't immediately anti-town. But why be defensive when there's nothing against you?
Heck you're defending him in his stead from what I see.
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Post #58 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:37 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 48, KX wrote:??? 23 < 34, so why give a notice to only Kid A? Am I not important enough?
This?
Sure... Now you're as equally important as Kid A. Good job
In post 57, KX wrote:The question is located in post #48 on page 2, reading the thread helps. Also, check out post #50 on this page.
And yeah, I am. Though tbf, it's more like I'm saying your attacking them is scummy since your attack is over nothing. And once again, you fail to answer the question. You instead immediately divert attention back to them, and now me as well. Answer:
Why did you press against them and not me over the same issue?
Why, when referring to your own alignment, do you say "my faction" if you're town?
Why do you think implying oneself is town, when it's in a natural context and not outright saying "ok guys, I'm Town" is scummy/questionable?
Why is their "defense" which isn't even a defense more grounds for the being scummy?
Why are you acting completely biased against them in a way which makes them seem scummy regardless of the facts?
Why have you ignored my question/are you not reading the thread?
1) Reactioooooons
2) Who knows? What do you think?
3) WIFOM. What If scum is like that?
4) Newb scum tend to defend at early game
5) More reactiooooooons
6) I asked which question, didn't I?
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Post #60 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:28 pm
Postby thenewearth »
1) When was it when you soft claimed even? Kid A said "Make sure scum can't unvote us" which is an obvious soft claim.
2) So are you saying that saying "my faction" should not be said by town? That it's a scum tell? Please revise questions
3) It's WIFOM. Both town/scum can very much say "I am town" or naturally (or make it look natural) to say that they are town
4) He defended by "why wouldn't I claim town?". Sure... then "why wouldn't a scum claim town?" or "can only town claim town?"
5) Suuuuuuuuure
6) 'cause I didn't even know what the question was.
Why you keep saying "not an answer"? It was still an answer. Where answers are responses to questions. I answered, didn't I?
You could revise that "why are your answers wrong" but then again it's wrong on your perspective only.
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Post #69 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:04 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 66, PimHel wrote:Yeah, right. You say it's just a FoS, as if your attack isn't important. But on the other hand, you are one of the few who wants to use FoS to show where your second vote lies. With that said, can you respond to my vote?
Also, I want to look up some of your past town games. Links?
Yes I know that it was for 2nd vote. But FoS > actual vote. Where I can actually vote for him. It isn't even enough to get him lynched. And it isn't actually important because:
1) I'm the only one who FoS'd him
2) Not even an actual vote
3) No threat that he would be lynched
Not a fan of using meta unless there's a significant thing (like past experiences with the actual player) but eh... Why not.
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Post #79 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:11 am
Postby thenewearth »
In post 78, Kid A wrote:if you are going to get pissed when people attack your FOS don't do an FOS
I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't want to claim to be town
-If I'm vanilla town I would just be telling the truth
-If I'm a power role I would be making sure the scum don't know I have a power role and just act as though I were vanilla town
-If I'm scum I would want to act like I'm a villager so that people don't vote for me
also newearth you keep tossing around WIFOM
"WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny."
I didn't post it with full knowledge that my behaviour would be subject to scrutiny because posting as if I were town is what I would do regardless of my role
and lastly you seem to think defending yourself is a scumtell - as town my wincon is that I win when all the threats are dead
If I let people cast suspicion over me and I don't defend it I can't expect someone else to argue my case for me - and if there's no counter to your suspicion then I'm likely to be lynched which would not help me achieve my wincon
I was pissed when people attacked my FoS? When?
Just because it's WIFOM doesn't mean that all of the choices are false.
Surely one of them is true.
So does that mean if scum defend themselves and say that their "I would go against my win condition" mean that their town?
Also... that was one FoS. WHICH DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A REAL VOTE. Town wouldn't even be bothered by this because it will pose no threat to them. But a paranoid scum would react to any kind of suspicion on them. No matter how little.
In post 127, Hamlet wrote:TNE- whether it's OMGUS or counter-OMGUS, it's still bad, and you should feel bad.
Furthermore, there will be no signing of posts. We both dislike the idea.
Can we post more relevant stuff now?
If you want to play as one person, play as one person. No "My other head said that about KidA, lets wait for him to explain it". Be prepared to back each other up, or clarify who's posting what.
Vote:Hamlet
I think Head A couldn't defend Head B's post on KidA because the reasoning was scummy even to A.
Actually I could sheep this for reasons that:
1) Gut feeling
2) I feel that this is fuzzy's play
3) This feel's like fuzzy is scum
You do realize that a hydra is a combination of two people, right? Which means there are two brains working alongside each other. If you think we're going to be in agreement ALL the time, then you have another thing coming.
Yes I know. But if one or the other becomes obvious... then yeah.
In post 143, KX wrote:Anyway, sorry for the inactivity, just got Fire Emblem: Awakening and BioShock Infinite, so yeah, playing them.
Oh god another fire emblem game? Don't tell me when a character dies, they permanently die. Or else I will hate fire emblem forever until I'm dead
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Post #181 (isolation #43) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:32 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 170, Kid A wrote:I was pretty confident about voting TNE earlier but now not so much since his vote on Hamlet has pretty sound reasoning
Zachattack looked like he could have been rolefishing but then he did a solid vote on Hamlet too
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Post #182 (isolation #44) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:34 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 180, Hamlet wrote:@whoever asked us to use signatures- I'll discuss an idea with my other head, and see if he likes the idea, but until then, there will be no signing of anything. Sorry.
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Post #195 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:58 pm
Postby thenewearth »
In post 192, mothrax wrote:The fact that he/she/it isnt signing heads is a big fat null in my book, the people who are pushing that as scummy get more suspicion from me. Especially TNE. Post 131 has what you need to see on how the hamwagon started and its a crock of balogna. Zach calls hamlet scummy because head 1 had to wait for head 2 to clarify something? Regardless of the fact that they are one player slot, they are still two people, and sometimes they have different schedules. Big whoop. The case is super unsound but not enough to be super scummy imo. However in the same post TNA is like oooooh sheep sheep sheep. Sheeping a good case: ok! hell, sheep me for all I care, after all, I tend to be right. but sheeping a crapcase... and sooooo enthusiastically. +12 scum points.
I already said I sheep the wagon, not the case.
In post 192, mothrax wrote:Iso 9 and 12 (not linking, call me lazy) are bad. Theory discussion: Hey, lets let the scum know exactly who else we suspect so they can continue to Night Kill everyone else. Im all for discussing it, but inference is awesome in this game.
Well it was to get a consensus of who to put as a 2nd target. If we all randomly threw our 2nd vote at someone... Then town will lose 2nd vote to scum.