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[SirCakez]

No RVS

[SirCakez]

Beeboy mebbe town

[SirCakez]

Yes
Bring me death Pink Ball!

[SirCakez]

I expect scum to be doing a lot of IIoA this game ftr

[SirCakez]

I expect scum to be doing a lot of IIoA this game ftr

I feel like with this game mechanic information can be seen as analysis.

Depends on the context. If there's actual players and information from the game involved and not just generic setup analysis.

I expect scum to be doing a lot of IIoA this game ftr

Shitty thread direction can literally burn us into the ground I think you have a solid point but outside handing me the chain I want a solid game plan to be established before we move onto the game itself. Then after we agree on the game plan I think IIoA becomes pretty relevant.

Without a plan voteless games tend to lead to low information chaos.

Yeah but I think this plan as you've outlined is good enough, no?

[SirCakez]

lmao I am just memeing dw.

You, Cakez, Dunnstral and ABR are the players I trust from the pregame to preform well as town.

I'm honored but your trust is misplaced lol i'm bad at mafia

[SirCakez]

PB are you legit SRing me?

[SirCakez]

I’m unsure on Farside Tbh.
Think they are scum.

are you unsure or do you think farside is scum? this post says two different things

[SirCakez]

I’m unsure on Farside Tbh.
Think they are scum.

are you unsure or do you think farside is scum? this post says two different things

I feel less confident Farside is Town then anyone else.

who is "anyone else"?

not crazy about TSE here, not just because of this weird tangent.

PB are you legit SRing me?

Of course I am. You said "no RVS" instead of making RVS yourself. Self awareness.

aahh thought you were memelording
fake RVS just comes off wrong to me
it can't even be tracked officially

[SirCakez]

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

This seems like a veiled attack on beeboy. Why not just come out and say it?

[SirCakez]

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

This seems like a veiled attack on beeboy. Why not just come out and say it?

shh the words of scum don't effect the game that much.

But she's coming for us

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

This seems like a veiled attack on beeboy. Why not just come out and say it?

I have 0 reads because I haven't played on MS in years. It's my first game back in like 4 years (I think?). I typically just write what I'm thinking in the moment and roll with it. You and others knew who I was talking about, so obviously it didn't need to be explained.

However, your question here makes me feel like you're trying to force something where there isn't anything. I just don't think you know me and that's cool. Unfortunately, though, I'm not quite sure if that's you coming at me as Town or scum trying to build false suspicion. So maybe I do have my first read.

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did. This reaction is not great because you're getting all defensive over something that wasn't even aggressive in the first place. You're right I don't know you so why not just explain that instead of trying to shade me.

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Show me.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

This reaction also sucks for obvious reasons.

[SirCakez]

Can't tell if ABR is being serious with his "votes" or not

[SirCakez]

TSE why are you freaking out?

[SirCakez]

I’m not.
I was just really irritated yesterday by poor scum play.

What does this mean?

[SirCakez]

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did. This reaction is not great because you're getting all defensive over something that wasn't even aggressive in the first place. You're right I don't know you so why not just explain that instead of trying to shade me.

For someone who is accusing me of being defensive, when I was just explaining my frustrations and not FoS-ing him, you seem to get pretty dang defensive and quite white knighty here. If you weren't trying to push something, what was the point of your question when you knew who I was talking about?

Like I said I was trying to figure out why you were being shifty about it.
And ftr I understand the reasoning behind the beeboy (suspicion? frustration?) but I just don't understand why you danced around it the way you did.
Like why not just say "I dislike beeboy's entrance for the massive amount of information in his first post" or something like that?

I’m not.
I was just really irritated yesterday by poor scum play.

What does this mean?

Scum should be sick not a prick.

but how can you just assume it's a scum tactic so early on?

[SirCakez]

What has Dunn done to deserve the TR? He seems like NAI Dunn so far.

[SirCakez]

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did. This reaction is not great because you're getting all defensive over something that wasn't even aggressive in the first place. You're right I don't know you so why not just explain that instead of trying to shade me.

For someone who is accusing me of being defensive, when I was just explaining my frustrations and not FoS-ing him, you seem to get pretty dang defensive and quite white knighty here. If you weren't trying to push something, what was the point of your question when you knew who I was talking about?

Like I said I was trying to figure out why you were being shifty about it.
And ftr I understand the reasoning behind the beeboy (suspicion? frustration?) but I just don't understand why you danced around it the way you did.
Like why not just say "I dislike beeboy's entrance for the massive amount of information in his first post" or something like that?

Probably because I haven't played in a few years so I'm not using all the jargon/phrasing that we're all typically used to when we've played back on MS for awhile, tbh. Again, this isn't really helping my issue with you forcing something where there isn't anything. You just seem focused that I didn't phrase something specifically as you would prefer.

I mean you're the one who blew it up initially. I just asked why you didn't name beeboy in that post and if you had just answered and not gotten into it with me over this then it would just been that little encounter. I was not trying to force this but now it's getting dragged out.

I do want to move on from that.
Albert I don't know what to think of. I've misread him in the last but this seems like too poor of play to be town even considering that past misread.

[SirCakez]

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.

What is this lol

[SirCakez]

Ftr I am TRing beeboy pretty strongly so I suppose you can call that a WK, Starbuck (even though that's not what our argument is about anymore). Whatever.

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

<3

I am waiting for albert to do a big thing as well.
Albert waiting room over here.

/Enters

[SirCakez]

Post your lynch pool guys.

-Albert B Rampage
-TSE
-Starbuck

[SirCakez]

NDMath doubling down and defending TSE is interesting. Prolly not the scum move there.

If I had to guess the scum team.
I’d guess sircakes, Farside and Unwnd.

If each of them could reply to this quote with the words “Your Wrong or Your Right”
That would be much appreciated.
(This is a Test. Let’s see if they all pass it or not)

I'll bite cuz I'm curious what this will lead to
You're Right

I feel like the arguments might get to a point where we have a plan, but the second to last person gets tilted and passes the chain to the person we wanted killed. I hope this doesn't happen lol

Useless doubt-creating post

[SirCakez]

Pink Ball feels like he hasn't really been present which is weird

[SirCakez]

Pink Ball feels like he hasn't really been present which is weird

I think my posts have been the most efficient of the entire game

But why play like this?

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

- SirCakez
- Raya

When did I become your top TR??

Also for SL:
-beeboy
-TSE

[SirCakez]

But why play like this?

Why not? I can't be Silver Bullet every game, it's exhausting.

When did I become your top TR??

I liked your reaction to my scumread on you. You didn't give a fuck. Compare how you reacted to how Raya reacted. In no way I'm saying "iT WaS a rEAcTIoN TesT GuYZ!!!!1!!1one!!", but you did react in a way I liked.

I thought you were Silver Bullet every game tbh
Lol
Is SB like your alter-ego?

I'm not TRing Raya ftr.
And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

[SirCakez]

And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

You were buddying as all hell to beeboy and you're still doing it.


Also, where did ABR push me? Where is ABR's gameplay? Because he's just making noise right now.

He's my top TR, sue me.
ABR has called you scum a couple times iirc
I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

[SirCakez]

He's my top TR being beeboy, not ABR

[SirCakez]

I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

His ISO in that game is a lot better then his ISO here.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82849&user_select[]=6983

He is more aggressive and is less fluffy.
Idk just feels like scum who doesn't want to commit to anything early/ have his town reputation chase him by having a good day 1.

Later on he was fine
In the early stage there he was similarly useless as to here


I agree spring needs to pass the chain

[SirCakez]

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.

Yes, that's what I thought. I think your claim look legit so far. I'd like other player input on how likely beeboy is to be a ballsy fake claiming scum.

My role isn't confirmable, I can just opt into failing the quiz if I am bluffing.

I meant to ask player more familiar with your play if they think are likely to breadcrumb/claim fist post day 1.

Uhhh yeah I think so?
I know beeboy better than most players here but I have to acknowledge it's been a while since I played with him

[SirCakez]

I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

This list even excluding me is not great

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

why tse?

[SirCakez]

damn there's a lot of posts here

[SirCakez]

I had a big catch-up written and lost it ugh

[SirCakez]

NDmath pretty bad chain choice
I don't super SR him myself but a lot of other people do

[SirCakez]

I wish we had a different quiz group

[SirCakez]

This is the catchup post I was working on yesterday before I lost it

I want a new quiz team ASAP

heres a good group:
Farside
Lully
Me
Cakez
Beeboy

Boom.

this team slaps btw, if beeboy waan't negative util

Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

So I like this plan. Who agrees?

okay so far we have: me, farside, PB, cakez. Who else agrees to this motion?

in this plan PB is suggesting I get lynched lol

spring refusing to pass the chain was putting me off until she finally did it
ABR's passion is finally showing up

Starbuck lynch I can support

[SirCakez]

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

[SirCakez]

ABR has called me scum a couple times, but has he backed it up with anything? Or are you just happy that he agrees with you? Whether you were wrong in a past game or not, you're totally okay with him shouting to the rooftops about me being scum with literally no case.

This is what troubles me about you. It's probably OMGUS, but whatever, you jump on me for not writing something how you would have preferred rather than actually talk to me about the WHY. Now, you're just happy to have ABR siding with you even though there's no substance from you or him regarding a case on me. So yeah, great game play boys.

I'm not even satisfied with ABR's push on you, it doesn't have substance like you said. And I don't have a TR on ABR really. The initial thing I said was that ABR is pushing on you and you're SRing him for it. Can you deny that?

[SirCakez]

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

because we're both pushing you?
Null

[SirCakez]

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

I've talked about you, and Raya and Dunn don't feel like they've earned any sort of TR for me.
I'm uncertain about most people this game tbf

[SirCakez]

Well, you aren't getting that today. Who else do you scum read besides your tunnel on me?

Not even tunneling
I could lynch TSE or maybbeee ABR
I have a lot of nulls

[SirCakez]

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

I've talked about you, and Raya and Dunn don't feel like they've earned any sort of TR for me.
I'm uncertain about most people this game tbf

That's cool

None of us are getting lynched today though

What do you think about Pink Ball, unwnd, and TSE?

TSE can go
PB doesn't feel at all like my previous town games with him but he says he's not playing as Silver Bullet so maybe that's why?
Unwnd I need to review

[SirCakez]

Flying Scumsman?

[SirCakez]

Flying Scumsman?

And other than signing as Silver Bullet, did you feel like I was playing as straightforward and defying as in Greatest Idea?

No but I attributed that to the hydra mechanics.

[SirCakez]

Can we please not give the chain to TSE???

[SirCakez]

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

[SirCakez]

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

How can you be so sure I won’t pass it you over Unwnd?

Because you've stated desire to kill me

My preferred game plan here is Raya passes to me, I pass the PinkBall, PinkBall passes to Beeboy.

@Sircakez

If we do this your fate won’t be in my hands if that’s what your so concerned about.

I would obviously die in this scenario because beeboy is a universal TR

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

Also I’m pretty sure I’m not your only scum read.
So I suppose your other scum Reads have already been chosen to be safe no?

yeah

I plan to look at my nulls like midway, NDmath, Raya, Dunn, etc tmrw

[SirCakez]

PB is also a light scumread btw

[SirCakez]

The way ABR spent the early game hanging back and only got passionate about the quiz team bothered me. There is scum motivation in trying to get the team rejected.
I SR TSE because of his defensiveness, nonsensical pushes and his attempts to get people pushing him killed

[SirCakez]

The way ABR spent the early game hanging back and only got passionate about the quiz team bothered me. There is scum motivation in trying to get the team rejected.
I SR TSE because of his defensiveness, nonsensical pushes and his attempts to get people pushing him killed

You do realize that Abr asked mid not to pass to certain players, then doesn't get pissy at mid for defieying his request and when i called him out he called me scum.....or did you ignore all that for reasons??
And you know i don't expect vague. What post was defensive? What was nonsensical? What do you mean by get people pushing him?

ugh I'll pull quotes.

SirCakez has been doing this "falling into the rabbit hole" thing about me very explicitly so everyone can see his progression on me so it makes sense, that's clearly scum motivated.

So I was right at the begining

what does this even mean?

The way ABR spent the early game hanging back and only got passionate about the quiz team bothered me. There is scum motivation in trying to get the team rejected.
I SR TSE because of his defensiveness, nonsensical pushes and his attempts to get people pushing him killed

Yet you denied the quiz. Why?

I never actually denied it, like Dunn said. Denying and giving scum advantage would be dumb. I wanted a new team to be proposed so I could vote to accept that but it never actually happened and nobody told me if it was possible.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

[SirCakez]

crap like 978 just keeps sinking my PB read
not because he's pushing me but because it makes literally no sense

[SirCakez]

like I wouldn't be surprised if PB has a scum buddy who still hasn't gotten the chain and that's why he's suddenly trying to bury me again
I can't understand this switch otherwise

[SirCakez]

getting pissed off with this game

[SirCakez]

I'm apparently some fucking consensus scumread now and no one other than Starbuck (who is scum mad I pushed her) has presented any serious reasoning why. Someone just proposed unwnd/myself as the bottom two and everyone went like "hurr durr let's do that". I'd put players like farside, Dunn, ABR, PB in this pool.

But it seems so far that most people want Cakez and Unwnd as the bottom two and I am starting to doubt my TSE scumread so I'm not as convinced TSE has to be in the bottom two anymore. There isn't really a point anymore because there wouldn't even be a debate since most are townreading TSE now.

who is even TRing TSE?

[SirCakez]

there's been this mindset of "the game believes this, the game believes that" etc created when it's really just 4 or 5 loud players who are pushing it.

[SirCakez]

I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Thank you for doing this. I was having issues getting a read on you because it just seemed you were agreeing with others views. I noted when someone said PB was a light scum read, you piped in with saying the same thing. I have commented about my issues with TSE and his play so I just thought you were trying to go off my comments and wanted to see if you had a back up on why you were reading things the way you said you were.
Well and your list about ABR and Star as scum was really weird to have them listed together. I mean I know scum bus but Abr is more attacking SB and SB reads and attacks him back so I wondered if you read that as SvS or why you had them on your scum list together.

I called PB light scum back then because he is not playing like my previous town games with him and he doesn't have much reasoning of why other than his Silver Bullet alter-ego. But then I brought up Flying Scumsman and he just sort of ignored it. And his progression on everything feels kinda fake, esp myself.
I don't think ABR/SB are scum together because of their arguments like you said. But I have independent reasons to scumread both.

[SirCakez]

I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

If he isn't reading and just saying town sounding things, and making stuff up to cover for the fact he isn't reading, that makes him likely to be scum.

What are you getting at here? It seems to me like he's reading.

[SirCakez]

I'm aware

[SirCakez]

I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

If he isn't reading and just saying town sounding things, and making stuff up to cover for the fact he isn't reading, that makes him likely to be scum.

What are you getting at here? It seems to me like he's reading.

All I know from what ABR is said that Spring is acting like scum

for (reasons related to his experience with her). I've sat here and townread ABR for his convictions but I've also seen that people don't like ABR and think he's faking it. Spring alone seems to be attuned to something I wouldn't be aware as I've never played with him.

Where did i say spring is acting like scum?

Prove this or you are 100% scum

Ok but this is disconnected from what I posted

[SirCakez]

It's okay you can apologize to me later I won't blame you for it Tony Stark

I'm aware

It's okay. I'll accept apologies from you and ABR if you're both town. No hard feelings, pinky swear.

I will also wholeheartedly apologize to you at the start of Day 2 if you flip town.

What do you think, cakez? Scum really do love their apologies, don't they.

Apologies shmologies

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Thank you for doing this. I was having issues getting a read on you because it just seemed you were agreeing with others views. I noted when someone said PB was a light scum read, you piped in with saying the same thing. I have commented about my issues with TSE and his play so I just thought you were trying to go off my comments and wanted to see if you had a back up on why you were reading things the way you said you were.
Well and your list about ABR and Star as scum was really weird to have them listed together. I mean I know scum bus but Abr is more attacking SB and SB reads and attacks him back so I wondered if you read that as SvS or why you had them on your scum list together.

I called PB light scum back then because he is not playing like my previous town games with him and he doesn't have much reasoning of why other than his Silver Bullet alter-ego. But then I brought up Flying Scumsman and he just sort of ignored it. And his progression on everything feels kinda fake, esp myself.
I don't think ABR/SB are scum together because of their arguments like you said. But I have independent reasons to scumread both.

I didn't ignore it, I asked you if you felt that in that game, where I was town, I played like in Greatest Idea Mafia. You said no, but you said that was probably because I was in a hydra. My point was that I have two completely different town games with you but you decided to pick the one I don't look like in here to scumread me, 'cause I'm playing a lot like the Flying Scumsman game. I've been a laid back player since that game, so your meta read on me is not good.

I don't feel like you are playing like Flying Scumsman

[SirCakez]

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

[SirCakez]

Flying Scumsman?

And other than signing as Silver Bullet, did you feel like I was playing as straightforward and defying as in Greatest Idea?

No but I attributed that to the hydra mechanics.

You felt different from Greatest Idea in Flying Scumsman
And now I'm saying you feel different from Flying Scumsman and Greatest Idea

[SirCakez]

Your scumread on me started based on that I feel different from Silver Bullet. I asked you if I felt different from Silver Bullet on Flying Scumsman and you said yes. I'm different from Silver Bullet, from Flying Scumsman, and I'm still scum? You just want to scumread me.

Ok I'll scrap the meta for you. How do you explain your oscillating progression on me this game?

ABR why Dunn scum?

[SirCakez]

Your scumread on me started based on that I feel different from Silver Bullet. I asked you if I felt different from Silver Bullet on Flying Scumsman and you said yes. I'm different from Silver Bullet, from Flying Scumsman, and I'm still scum? You just want to scumread me.

Ok I'll scrap the meta for you. How do you explain your oscillating progression on me this game?

ABR why Dunn scum?

I've called you my Schrodinger read. You know what that means?

No

Yeah im with Cakez on this one you guys fucked up lol

Cakez and Unwnd might be Open Wolfing together.

Yeah ok lol

[SirCakez]

TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

[SirCakez]

still reading dropping this

TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

Your the one I think I might be wrong on.
I know I’m right on Unwnd being scum and I’m almost certain Farside is scum.
It’s between You and Starbuck and I’m leaning towards it being you.

but WHY
you have no explanation for this other than OMGUS

TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

You're both a town read and a scum read at the same time. Scum has to decide which one they think it is if they want to put me to decide between you and unwnd.

oh ok...weird strat

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Do you Town read Unwnd from our interactions?
If so, why?
I only brought up the game to show that Town in General (FM Overall) need to play better. It was never to validate myself.
In the last thing you quoted I was asking you a question to see your reaction and if you would slip scum buddies with Unwnd. Your reaction however wasn’t alignment indicative so I couldn’t get a good determination towards it.

I don't TR unwnd from those interactions, no.
You keep doing these "tests", like the one where I said You're Right, but nothing ever seems to come of them.

(working on catching up)

Lets do it. Hurry!

Why the rush? We have over a week and once we have a plan set in place it should be fast until second last has to pick.

Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

I'm okay with this plan, but I want you and PB reversed. Most everyone feels you're universal town, we're not going to learn much if you make that last choice. Hell, you might not even choose PB. I know for me that PB is still quite on the null side for me and I'd be interested in seeing who he chooses between Unwnd and SirCakez.

On the same side, I'd like to see TSE get the chain from here because I want to see if he'd stay true to his word.

I'd be ok with this if TSE confirms he's ok with the plan and will pass it to beeboy. (And now I see in the next post he agrees to this)

I think the pass/fail of the quiz is going to prove if we have scum or not. If you're scum, you have no reason to pass the quiz. Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

I agree with this. Chances are if it fails there is at least 1 scum within the quiz group.

Yeah so you want to do Me - BeeBoy and PinkBall decides SirCakez and Unwnd?
I’m down with that.

Of course you would say this.

I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

You're calling your likely competition to survive the bottom two town?

Yeah
This isn't Survivor

[SirCakez]

ok hear me out
what if this unwnd claim is town? why doesn't scum just claim VT here?
I know people think the 3rd line sounds fake but I could see a mod legitimately inserting that. I inserted stuff like that into my recent Jigsaw games while balancing.

[SirCakez]

My role pm has a line of text that states it would fail if I was town. Despite you know me being town.
So I believe the 3rd line of his role pm is real even if he is scum.

Because my role pm talks as if it was also a scum pm.

I think the claim is uhh, NAI at worst, slightly believable at best?

this kinda supports it too

[SirCakez]

I know people are gonna call me unwnd's buddy for this but whatever

[SirCakez]

VOTE: PB

this game is so foul I can't believe the game got to this state

[SirCakez]

@unwnd, @SirCakez,

do you want to play a game?

if it's russian roulette yes

[SirCakez]

Tbh it's more the way Cakez fell off the grid as he started taking more heat.
While unwnd is staying here and is in fight or flight mode.

One of them is fighting for themselves, the other decided it's best to step away.

i.e I can see an agenda from Cakez POV.

I was playing video games with my brother and then eating dinner with my family
that's bs

[SirCakez]

this game is really dumb and frustrating
i'm really pissed both of my SRs remaining in the lynch pool got given the chain despite multiple people expressing suspicions of them and now I'm stuck in a final two with someone I think is town

I'm a VT, also. Figure I should claim here.

[SirCakez]

yeah

[SirCakez]

sadly because I am very into this game and feel I have a lot to say for a fresh chain day 2

[SirCakez]

my town flip will help get scum starbuck and TSE lynched at least

[SirCakez]

unwnd's role claim just feels reallly real to me, as someone who did a lot of game designing recently
like it fits into the setup perfectly

[SirCakez]

and the "inserting 3rd line into scum role" theory just seems overwrought to me
it would be easier to just claim VT than to risk this much attention

[SirCakez]

Yeah TSE has slithered out and now disappeared ofc

[SirCakez]

slithered out of being the end of the chain*

[SirCakez]

Honestly I have no fucking clue who is better to save between unwnd and myself because unwnd's power could help town but theoretically he could be scum I suppose.
Hopefully PB is town and makes a good decision.

[SirCakez]

Both flips would help town :/

[SirCakez]

nvm
also, why do we all think beeboy is town? For all I know, he could be scum fakeclaiming the miller like role. Not sring beeboy, but just a thought.

What's the point of this post if you TR beeboy?

[SirCakez]

Another reason unwnd doesn't claim this as scum: it loses all scum utility because if someone's vote gets messed with everyone will know who.

[SirCakez]

My reads were really bad I fuckin sacrificed myself to save scum unwnd UGHHHHHH

[SirCakez]

I'm glad I'm going on a hiatus for the next month cuz my play has been so bad lately

[SirCakez]

SirCakez still bemoaning me in the dead thread gives me life.

You were really scummy

[SirCakez]

Ofc
It's always tough for me my first time playing with any specific people
If we play again together I'll be better

[SirCakez]

I think this mechanic was a little scumsided but I also just think town didn't play well