Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

I'm feeling kinda antisocial right now so I'm just gonna pre-emptively sheep Drew with a VOTE: biancospino 'cause I know that's what he's doing

Sheeping me is dumb, don't be dumb

Totally unrelated

VOTE: Bianco

[Doctor Drew]

I have to figure out the mechanics of this game still

Mechanics get in the way of having a fun time

[Doctor Drew]

Thoughts on massclaiming names?

I think it'd be a good idea to lock people into name claims early, prevent shenanigans on that front.

Nah nah.

And out of RVS we go.

We don't know what the names do per se, this is role phishing.

Pre Edit: Titus knows the score

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Theta

[Doctor Drew]

Rad suss as well

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Theta

Actually mis read your post a bit.

VOTE: Radical

[Doctor Drew]

oh right names are a thing

uh

what is the likelihood that it is helpful to scum

Depends entirely on what kind of roles they have. I don't think there's enough information to make that kind of determination right now, but I assume there will be roles on both sides that benefit. Don't really want to get into role stuff yet though.

Yet there is the unknown on how the names work, and in this unknown you want everyone to mass claim their names.

Is this making any sense to you?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Theta

Actually mis read your post a bit.

VOTE: Radical

i was gonna say
fishing for scum role power usually is not that scummy

hmm
we do know that

wait how did i miss the word conversions in sign-ups

oh god
okay we do now that the scum factional power is non-standard and includes a bastard mechanic - conversions
so
what are the chances that it uses the names mechanic as well

So why do you say it isn't scummy to phish for roles here?

I mis read your post and realize that you were not, but isn't Rat doing just that?

[Doctor Drew]

For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.

Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

[Doctor Drew]

For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.

For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.

Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

Snark from me aside lol

We don't know how roles operate besides our own, mafia are a collective that know how each of their roles work and are for this reason more informed of how everything works here.

Why would you want to potentially give them more information at this point?

[Doctor Drew]

fishing for roles in general is scummy yes

i was specifically pondering out loud whether scum is likely to require the names for their purposes or not

which unfortunately i am not sure we can figure out

Theta, maybe I wasn't clear lol

I don't think you are phishing here, I understand the thought process going on in your head.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm so glad I was astute enough to pick a game where Drew was going to be reasonable to sheep him in

VOTE: Radical Rat

I might be able to fully Stockholm Syndrome you into voting yourself haha

[Doctor Drew]

I wonder if it’s apparent to anyone else that dr drew is role fishing even more than RR is

Well clearly not since I have them all eating out of my palm muah haha

But I do wonder what you mean here?

[Doctor Drew]

For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.

For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.

Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

Snark from me aside lol

We don't know how roles operate besides our own, mafia are a collective that know how each of their roles work and are for this reason more informed of how everything works here.

Why would you want to potentially give them more information at this point?

When you actually think about it, this question has no practical purpose other than role-fishing.

Now do I think Dr Drew is intentionally role-fishing? No, not at all. I don’t actually think it’s that common for scum to do that. But my point is that I don’t think RR is either.

Somehow this doesn't answer how I was role phishing.

I literally have no idea what you mean with my question.

I am saying that we shouldn't voluntarily give more info to the group who could benefit from more info.

[Doctor Drew]

That does not mean we can't discuss, in the abstract, potential benefits/detriments of sharing names, as has been happening already, but it will ultimately be taking a chance. I believe it is a chance worth taking, but if everyone else is too afraid of the risks, that's fine. I don't think it's going to make or break the game either way at this point.

What, you wanna like, brainstorm various possibilities? Even that is kinda role-fishy. Implications about someone's role can be drawn from their suggestions.

UNVOTE:

Thinking about it, still is role phishy, but willing to believe scum wouldn't be so brazen here.

Aureal, you must sheep me here.....per the rules.

[Doctor Drew]

Jeez, what is this game?

I have so many sheep following me haha.

[Doctor Drew]

i am a frog in wolf's clothing

As long as you don't, ahem.....jump to any conclusions here I am good.

[Doctor Drew]

That does not mean we can't discuss, in the abstract, potential benefits/detriments of sharing names, as has been happening already, but it will ultimately be taking a chance. I believe it is a chance worth taking, but if everyone else is too afraid of the risks, that's fine. I don't think it's going to make or break the game either way at this point.

What, you wanna like, brainstorm various possibilities? Even that is kinda role-fishy. Implications about someone's role can be drawn from their suggestions.

UNVOTE:

Thinking about it, still is role phishy, but willing to believe scum wouldn't be so brazen here.

Aureal, you must sheep me here.....per the rules.

UNVOTE:

Yup yup, that's definitely the rules and not me mind-controlling Drew to do my bidding

Nothing to see here, move along

Do you really agree with my assessment? Or are you just keeping the gag going?

[Doctor Drew]

I decided I was townreading Rat before you came back XD

What do you make of Titus' vote on you?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

My point is still mostly that the discussion about mass nameclaiming and associated accusations of role-fishing are silly, but I also am not sure that there’s much else to talk about right now. Scum are probably more likely to be on the sidelines of the discussion rather than directly involved.

Also I think NK15 is town

Why? 55 seems like nitpicking at nothing to me.

I think nitpicking at nothing is a way to get things moving in the early game, and I liked that nk15 didn’t engage with the mass name claim discussion, because I feel like scum would feel the need to do that

So......which one is it?

VOTE: Deas

[Doctor Drew]

I do not think my statements are as mutually exclusive as you present them to be

How?

You literally contradict yourself on how you think scum would act in the same exact scenario.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew is right.

Sigged

But what is your opinion on Deas?

[Doctor Drew]

One thing is for sure, I definitely have nothing to do with any cult, not me......ever.....for reals....end of story.....period.

Do we know Mafia have multitasking?

[Doctor Drew]

I wish I had more to say right now but I really don't

Fun Drew fact that I just realized:

My old account and you have almost the exact same join date.

But, I wish you did have more to say. What say you on the votes against you?

[Doctor Drew]

But yeah, I'm afraid I simply do not believe you. I lack anything specific to push on, but you've got the scummy scent about you I can't quite place yet.

Have you played with Kitty before?

Are you actually trying to sheep my play style as well?

This feels so fucking werid

[Doctor Drew]

But yeah, I'm afraid I simply do not believe you. I lack anything specific to push on, but you've got the scummy scent about you I can't quite place yet.

Have you played with Kitty before?

Are you actually trying to sheep my play style as well?

This feels so fucking werid

One thing is for sure, I definitely have nothing to do with any role that gets power by following people's actions, not me... ever... for reals... end of story... period.

VOTE: Aureal

Is that an action you 'can't' follow?

[Doctor Drew]

It feels like every game I’ve been playing lately, i stand off early game, and then it’s super slow, so I’m like damn, i can’t even lurk most of early game because nobody does things to get pressure/cause scum to act

Hey man I tried, and got people talking. I can only lead a horse to water though.

Bianco’s the scummiest slot so far

Lately I can't read them well, why scummy?

Aureal’s weird too, but idk if it’s scum

Personally, I feel like weird Aureal is town Aureal lol.

But I also feel like she is someone who exposes herself as town eventually if she is in fact town(much like Alianna, but in different ways)

[Doctor Drew]

And I still don't understand how Drew comes to the conclusions he does, seeing as he shouldn't have been able to get a sense of Alianna's scum game forever either. But he was saying the same thing in the jester game and he was town there so I believe that he thinks he does.

Alianna has some serious town tells, none of which she showed in the Jester game......it was my fault for not being more adamant about that.

You also expose yourself as town, which isn't hard because you are always town lol. When we were going back in forth in the game I repped into scum and jjh was my buddy, all I could think of was how obvTown you were(despite me wanting to show otherwise lol).

Even Flavor Leaf, for all his mystery and ever changing play style, will show himself as town as well(though we usually have some issues coming together as town easily lol).

Point is, that it isn't about thinking someone is scum, it is seeing that they aren't showing themselves as town.

That is how I Drew at least

[Doctor Drew]

I'm around but nothing has really grabbed my attention enough to comment tbh

NOT EVEN MY INCREDIBLE FLAVOR LEAF ROLEPLAY?!

Fine, I'll just go play video games then

To roleplay as Flavor Leaf you at least have to have the paranoia that you could be scum and be worried about that.

I think if you were scum you would just out yourself from the excitement

[Doctor Drew]

There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

How would one know the real names?

[Doctor Drew]

There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

How would one know the real names?

In theory a flip would show

Ya, but Roden kinda said that in a way that they know the real names

[Doctor Drew]

Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

I did not see that, nor did I know I could have chosen what my name could be lol

[Doctor Drew]

Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

I did not see that, nor did I know I could have chosen what my name could be lol

You got to choose?!?

Are you trying to dumbtell now?

Per the setup post, which I have now read lol:

'Players may send me their top three picks for those names via PM (though this is not mandated and players who don't send any picks will have their 'real name' randomised).'

[Doctor Drew]

I'm confused

Drew you already knew the real names were public knowledge

Why throw shade towards me?

You missed where I didn't know they were public knowledge in signups

[Doctor Drew]

There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

How would one know the real names?

In theory a flip would show

Ya, but Roden kinda said that in a way that they know the real names

This isn't the first time the list of known names was mentioned. Why didn't you have anything to say about this before?

As I just stated I didn't know the names were public knowledge until this point

[Doctor Drew]

There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

How would one know the real names?

In theory a flip would show

Ya, but Roden kinda said that in a way that they know the real names

This isn't the first time the list of known names was mentioned. Why didn't you have anything to say about this before?

As I just stated I didn't know the names were public knowledge until this point

Right, but someone else already implied knowing and you didn't care is my point. I don't remember who it was, but it was while we were discussing massclaiming names

Rat wanted people to claim Names

I didn't know names were in the setup post

Who implied knowing?

[Doctor Drew]

There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

How would one know the real names?

In theory a flip would show

Ya, but Roden kinda said that in a way that they know the real names

This isn't the first time the list of known names was mentioned. Why didn't you have anything to say about this before?

As I just stated I didn't know the names were public knowledge until this point

Right, but someone else already implied knowing and you didn't care is my point. I don't remember who it was, but it was while we were discussing massclaiming names

Rat wanted people to claim Names

I didn't know names were in the setup post

Who implied knowing?

Oh you are Rat lol

But the question still is vaild

[Doctor Drew]

Thoughts on massclaiming names?

I think it'd be a good idea to lock people into name claims early, prevent shenanigans on that front.

Nah nah.

And out of RVS we go.

We don't know what the names do per se, this is role phishing.

Pre Edit: Titus knows the score

Why’d you talk about this if you didn’t know what names were?

I know my name and I know we all have a name.

I did not know know ALL names were public knowledge as I said

[Doctor Drew]

It’s probs NAI, Drew, but i think people can be in the right if they think you sketch here.

Do you think I am sketch?

[Doctor Drew]

See I feel like the natural thing would be to look at the game information? I don’t know

Not sure it applies to Titus, but I rarely read too much of a game setup unless I am scum. I didn't realize there was a 'cult' until it was talked about in game.

[Doctor Drew]

I think we insta kill next person who tries to dumb tell

What's a dumb tell?

[Doctor Drew]

I think we insta kill next person who tries to dumb tell

What's a dumb tell?

Good thing it was a test, and was giving free town cred to the next person only

I will take that town cred, kind sir

[Doctor Drew]

Definitely mixed it wrong, throw it away and get a Mountain Dew

i mean i could just drink some of it and then add more lemonade to balance it a bit more

Yeah but then you'd still be drinking lemonade and and rum instead of Mountain Dew

Why would anyone subject themself to that

Because of delicious booze.

Also Mountain Drew was my nickname in college

[Doctor Drew]

also ew mountain dew is too close to being energy drink for my tastes

anyways

titus hmmm
i should probably not comment on that one later once drink sets in but for now uh
i can understand having missed that the game was a cult game considering the circumstances

I missed that it was a cult game until the game started, but we were actively talking about it, and the way she questioned it was weird.

I can see Titus town doing it, but i think it’s worth pressuring.

I also haven’t had to read Titus in a long time

I feel like she has been a bit flaky and distracted as of late

[Doctor Drew]

i think i might have read a post that quoted from doctor drew and thought it was quoted from you for some reason

You caught me, Rat is my super secret alt......my bad everyone.

But ya, I was the one not realizing that the names wee public info.

[Doctor Drew]

I'd also shift to DV.

Do it

[Doctor Drew]

I'd also shift to DV.

Do it

I also totally thought I already switched to DV lol

VOTE: Deas

[Doctor Drew]

Awww, you guys make me wanna fakeclaim unrecruitable now

I am gonna claim 100% recruitable, I am open for bussiness lol

You want my cult experience on your side(just don't check my track record heh)

[Doctor Drew]

I remember a game awhile back where 3p made a similar type 'Don't worry about me town, I totally am harmless' and the town let them live. In that game Titus was adamant that you should never let 3p live since they are by definition not town and not in the business of helping town.

I may be confusing a couple games but I seem to remember the 3p screwing over town and Titus was correct(maybe she can help me jog my memory).

Point is, DV is not town and DV should not live.

At best he is being truthful and won't directly hurt town(realistically in this case he is purposely hiding something more about his role, even in a best case). Worst case he is completely lying and can hurt us as town, or is just scum trying to claim benevolent 3p.

Either way, they should be disposed of today so he doesn't become a bigger issue going forward.

[Doctor Drew]

Dreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

Theta. Is. Right.

This is no time to be friggin paranoid about a pretty freaking confirmable slot that benefits us while it's here. Actually winning and leaving is likely the biggest harm it can inflict! And you guys want to self-inflict that when we need to use our votes on the enthusiast faction?!?

I demand a formal apology on my desk first thing after DV screws us over

[Doctor Drew]

I remember a game awhile back where 3p made a similar type 'Don't worry about me town, I totally am harmless' and the town let them live. In that game Titus was adamant that you should never let 3p live since they are by definition not town and not in the business of helping town.

I may be confusing a couple games but I seem to remember the 3p screwing over town and Titus was correct(maybe she can help me jog my memory).

Point is, DV is not town and DV should not live.

At best he is being truthful and won't directly hurt town(realistically in this case he is purposely hiding something more about his role, even in a best case). Worst case he is completely lying and can hurt us as town, or is just scum trying to claim benevolent 3p.

Either way, they should be disposed of today so he doesn't become a bigger issue going forward.

im not even like that big on that on a mafilosophical level, i just feel like we have the opportunity to just deal with it now being so close to deadline anyways.

Oh, that is a big part of it as well, per my last sentence there.

This will always loom over us

Pre Edit: Aureal, so you buy DV's claim as fact?

[Doctor Drew]

I literally have been 3p and wondered how I can claim to make myself seem 'useful' to town.

Don't Lim all lurkers D1, don't let 3p live ever

[Doctor Drew]

I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

yeah but a) I correctly figured out you were scum searching for the other team and b) your push on DV here doesn’t feel right

i just dont see these 2 as being the same at all. in the scenario with a, my push WAS right.

i admit, im overdoing it on purpose with pushing DV, but I still standby it's probs the best fade. I helped get this game moving like I do every game.

Well, if I could pipe in a bit, I got the ball rolling on DV and got the game moving way before you.

My ego couldn't let that slide haha

[Doctor Drew]

I'm gonna need to adopt a new bestie since my mind control rays have encountered a technical hiccup in trying to reach Drew at the moment.

VOTE: Titus

I have a hat that protects against bad ideas lol

[Doctor Drew]

Why is voting Titus a bad idea?

I meant the bad idea of trusting DV

[Doctor Drew]

Still prefer DV, will compromise on NK, not much interest in Titus

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: NK

[Doctor Drew]

I think this means that scum have a Cop of sorts and because of the way they convert, they don't know their team, and I can be a fake teammate for them.

Mafia Have a Cop PT 2?

[Doctor Drew]

And before we get the Flavor paranoia push, there's way too many of yall who know me for me to pull this shit as scum here.

So quit the inkling.

Aww but that is always a fun part of the game

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Radical rat

I suppose I can throw a kitchen sink if needed but suffice it to say the push against kitty was scummy and RR needs to burn for it

VOTE: Rat

I can get behind this action.....dan

[Doctor Drew]

Do you still think bianco is scummy FL?

not really, but more because i didnt interact with them past that point, and it feels like a long time since this game was played, so i forgot a lot.

I can relate, the biggest thing I will never forget is DV must be taken care of......but I will never have enough support to do just that and it bums me out.

[Doctor Drew]

@FL. Well you did go off the deep end end of D1 and now you are calmer despite the ludicrous claim.

Bianco is not someone I think is scummy but they could be intentionally holding back.

Ironically enough, and unless he is specifically trying to pocket just me and only me, he did a very similar thing in Mafia has a Cop when he was town.....and I did get traitor vibes from him that game after such.

[Doctor Drew]

it could be vibe z but my initial "stasis" is that FL is hardTown & that it will be difficult for my mind to be changed on that & also that if it's not true I truly don't want to be converted only so I never have to WIFOM w ppl about whether or not I know the truth til post-game

P-Edit: I'm down to go RR, just based off a TR on Dan as well, so far

if you 2 are the baddies I'll look rly dumb to dead-thread

@Dan, define "going off the deep end" tho? not loving Drew's vague setting-up there but I'm assuming I may have missed the nuance of a DDrew vs. DV on D1 so also so whatever, I will do more reading soon to bring more concrete shit to the thread but I'm the kind of (re?)reader who, even after knowing alignment, will like go back and like, publicly critique my own slot/former slot-player's choices so idk how much you want/care about my opinion on yesterday-stuff vs. today/future-stuff?

PE2: Drew, don't be coy - link the fukkin game ya nob

Well since you asked so nicely haha

viewtopic.php?t=91775

And I was hard pushing to lim DV since they claimed not-town, I stand by never let 3p live under any circumstances. Unfortunately though there wasn't the support from most others, but I would gladly go right back to to it

Pre Edit: Let me look at that mod confirmation again

[Doctor Drew]

I mean the biggest flaw in DV's role to me is the fact there isn't any notion of what happens if he just survives till endgame and doesn't meet his 1st condition. Usually there's some kind of clause baked in.

@maestro what I mean is that FL displayed significant discouragement in playing the game of mafia not that he was talking all crazy like

I am part of friendship group.

Friends to the end

In the group as well

[Doctor Drew]

why are you always in the sketchy neighborhood.

Haha, I told you this is Mafia has a Cop PT 2

But this a group, not a hood heh

[Doctor Drew]

deas as far as i can tell is just a modified jester of sorts so presumably endgame is a loss in all conditions

if deas is telling the truth about their role i can just target them tonight and then assuming i do not get role blocked or something they leave the game by guessing that i targeted them using my real name
which they now have assuming their role claim is mostly accurate

p-edit
wait it is a group but not a hood

i would say that's just flavored neighborhood.

NK15 role implies there's a player in there who has outside communication.

That being said, with my Traitor info, it is decently likely a traitor could be in there, and then a player with outside comms is red herring.

I was joking a bit, for all intents and purposes it is a flavored hood.

Yes I agree in regards to NK's role

[Doctor Drew]

deas why did you visit me

guh

i am only gonna be able to use my power like twice maybe as it is

I'm not getting why you want so much to make DV win. Letting him be around may be fine, but there's really no reason we should be actively helping him unless tangentially to our own wincon.

Like at the very least this^^

[Doctor Drew]

Okay people need to start unvoting. I'm in quickhammer range, and there's more we need to settle today.

For one, Titus needs to claim her results.

You think scum would quick hammer at E-2?

[Doctor Drew]

Here is my re-claim for those (maybe only Maestro) that requested it:

- I am the individual
- I cannot have my alignment changed
- I appear as town to investigative roles
- I learn the number of people that visit me each night

Actions:
Once, during the day, I can reveal myself as the host and be immune to eliminations that target me the following day
Each night I can visit someone and learn their real name, and they get notification that they were visited.

Win condition:
Either I:

- guess the real names of anyone who visited me the previous night or;
- immediately upon my elimination, guess how many conversions have occurred

Do you have access to a list of all the names in the game?

[Doctor Drew]

Here is my re-claim for those (maybe only Maestro) that requested it:

- I am the individual
- I cannot have my alignment changed
- I appear as town to investigative roles
- I learn the number of people that visit me each night

Actions:
Once, during the day, I can reveal myself as the host and be immune to eliminations that target me the following day
Each night I can visit someone and learn their real name, and they get notification that they were visited.

Win condition:
Either I:

- guess the real names of anyone who visited me the previous night or;
- immediately upon my elimination, guess how many conversions have occurred

Do you have access to a list of all the names in the game?

We all do, I thought that was covered yesterday pretty extensively

God Dammit, I keep forgetting that haha

[Doctor Drew]

not that RR did it, just in general, every game and it always ends up coming from scum

lol @marcistar

This literally is deja vu

[Doctor Drew]

maybe they have a guilty on RR.

They don't.

You know.....how?

I'm so confused. You guys talk too much. How can anyone have thought that the friendship group might be some sort of masons especially after Drew claimed to be in it. Surely he wouldn't have been okay with yeeting NK if he knew he was town.

...did this post not go through earlier ugh

I heard you, and signal boosting a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

We have no factional ability.

RR is an intelligent well mannered person, but I do believe they are scum.

I've said more in friendship PT about the topic and more people but will leave this to sizzle a bit for half a day as my other suspicions solidify

Are you saying that you will give us a moment to let that sink in?

Pre Edit: Rat, do not go into detail in the off chance you are town

[Doctor Drew]

We have no factional ability.

RR is an intelligent well mannered person, but I do believe they are scum.

I've said more in friendship PT about the topic and more people but will leave this to sizzle a bit for half a day as my other suspicions solidify

Are you saying that you will give us a moment to let that sink in?

Pre Edit: Rat, do not go into detail in the off chance you are town

Lol, ignore the dead emoji.....not sure how that got there

[Doctor Drew]

"in years"

I've not played more than a handful of games in years either & was far more active years ago closer to when I joined (in fucking 2012, a whole goddamn decade & then some ago jfc), so that still checks out & I'm still not positive we even played together back then tbf

PE: it wasn't a discredit it was p clearly a troll winking at a troll bc he's tired & just wants to leave the bridge

Fwiw, I am almost certain we played together on my original account here from 2011.

I am not a Flavor alt though haha

[Doctor Drew]

Oh fuck, didn't realize deadline was that close.

I'll do Kitty, Titus, or any of the lurkers.

Absolutely will not do Theta or Flavor Leaf.

Titus gets put a lot into these, and they eventually turn and say they want Titus alive, so could be signaling to Titus/Kitty here. I think Kitty's town this game, though.

Also if calling out lurkers, why not call out the person who never posted?

Ah shit alt slip, everyone look away

[Doctor Drew]

what's the case on RR?

Everyone is alt slipping now??

[Doctor Drew]

Everyone post more, bury my super secret old school account!!!

[Doctor Drew]

oooook whose is that now, wtf?

PE: rite?! 2 right after one another is kinda funny lmao (& yes, we've definitely played together Drew I remember ya vaguely, fungi)

Know I will need to go through my old games to meta you hehe

[Doctor Drew]

This totally isn't me

[Doctor Drew]

Trying

[Doctor Drew]

To bury this post

[Doctor Drew]

And get to the new

[Doctor Drew]

page

[Doctor Drew]

top

[Doctor Drew]

you still have ten posts to go

also your slip was almost a page top so uh
sorry
everyone should see it

I know, just lim me now......I had plans to be so coy and secretive with it, but alas

Anywho, who is scum?

[Doctor Drew]

If it's any consolation, I have no idea who that fellow with the mask is

Alex Terrible, lead vocalist of Slaughter to Prevail

I am not an alt, that was my old account I was trying to make my alt

[Doctor Drew]

Almost there everyone

[Doctor Drew]

Welp

[Doctor Drew]

Gotta do it

[Doctor Drew]

Myself

[Doctor Drew]

Hey look!

[Doctor Drew]

Ok no one ever look at page 37 again, or else the devil will steal your soul

Ok back to the game

Flavor, why not call out Kawaii who was the biggest lurker of them all?

[Doctor Drew]

i dont think it typically call out lurkers to begin with?

Oh sorry, I meant why would Rat call out Kawaii if they are calling out lurkers

[Doctor Drew]

i dont think it typically call out lurkers to begin with?

Oh sorry, I meant why would Rat call out Kawaii if they are calling out lurkers

*not call out Kawaii.....I am still fucking flustered!

[Doctor Drew]

to be honest i forgot kawaii was supposed to be in the game myself or i might have proposed eliming them in the last days of day 1 instead of nk15

actiondan seems pretty good though so probably for the best that did not happen

they're already doing more than i've seen them do in the past few games ive played with them, but im okay blindly believing it to just be more time/energy/right mindset to play right now compared to the last few games.

I definitely have reason to believe Dan is town

[Doctor Drew]

Okay, I'm home from my long day at work and managed to presumably read everything, and all I understand now is why Drew likes to use the devil in his hydra names.

Tbf, I updated everything to match the devil motif very recently. Had a very different avatar originally

And you know I don't use the devil in all my hydras lol

[Doctor Drew]

I think i know where Drew got the sig from on his OG acc

It's from Usual Suspects, but also was a saying before that.

I should have changed my name to Kayser Soze

[Doctor Drew]

I think i know where Drew got the sig from on his OG acc

It's from Usual Suspects, but also was a saying before that.

I should have changed my name to Kayser Soze

I think there’s already a player who got that

Wouldn't be surprised

I thought I could be the super secret alt since there aren't many people here from 2014 and earlier anymore, which is the last time my old account was used.

[Doctor Drew]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

Do I have to point out again why Titus is town?

[Doctor Drew]

eh

it is probably not as bad as i am thinking

deas is going to leave tonight anyways most likely so names that have a low probability of being the unrecruitable third party is probably not that useful compared to how useful it might be for us later

Didn't you say you will visit DV tonight?

[Doctor Drew]

eh

it is probably not as bad as i am thinking

deas is going to leave tonight anyways most likely so names that have a low probability of being the unrecruitable third party is probably not that useful compared to how useful it might be for us later

Didn't you say you will visit DV tonight?

i am going to yes

which is why deas is likely to leave soon

Likely?

Or is definitely?

[Doctor Drew]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

Do I have to point out again why Titus is town?

I don't recall you ever doing something of the sort?

Calling Titus town?

I definitely have done that before lol, many times

[Doctor Drew]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

Do I have to point out again why Titus is town?

I don't recall you ever doing something of the sort?

Calling Titus town?

I definitely have done that before lol, many times

I don't really remember you doing even that in this game, let alone explaining

why.

More of a meta Titus read, thought I mentioned as such in this game, but apparently not lol.

She doesn't make sense as scum, imo......from a logical stand point at least.

[Doctor Drew]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

Do I have to point out again why Titus is town?

I don't recall you ever doing something of the sort?

Calling Titus town?

I definitely have done that before lol, many times

I don't really remember you doing even that in this game, let alone explaining

why.

More of a meta Titus read, thought I mentioned as such in this game, but apparently not lol.

She doesn't make sense as scum, imo......from a logical stand point at least.

Why? I was the counter to a townflip?

Like I said meta, plus didn't like the push on you as a counter to DV.

Your claim was not scummy imo

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Leaf

Interesting

Why Flavor?

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe I am just a prude, but these naked votes are making me clutch my pearls

[Doctor Drew]

I rly haven't liked the absence from PT & yesterday he made a grand total of I think 4 posts, 3 of which commented on VCs

x_X bro is not playing to find Scum at all, aidiosmio

Wouldn't he be more active in there as scum?

[Doctor Drew]

im tinfoiling a Maestro/Roden/Dan team right now.

I am not that far away from you here.

Still really believe Dan to be town though.

At the very least I am confident that you two are not buddies.

[Doctor Drew]

Dan's tone is very good, and when I see them talk I town read, but it does make me paranoid.

Let me help with the paranoia, wasn't sure whether I would say it here or in the friendship group, but I trust you for town.

I prevented any actions targeting Dan last night.

[Doctor Drew]

If it makes you feel better I get paranoid too, but I tend not to say it.

Pedit. Oh that's nice.

Friendship group really really really likes to keep very watchful friendly eyes on each other

Friends till the end.....like Child's Play lol

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez just called you town. Oddly cakez has given more reads here and in our PT than most.

Yeah, my experience with Cakez this fits with townCakez too, but i think they know that as well.

But i always end up misfading Cakez anyways.

Idk, i think Maestro’s scum here if Cakez is town.

We didn't even fight, yet here we are agreeing.

I keep going back and forth about both of them, starting to paranoid they are both scum.

Some of how Maestro has been interacting in the FG in regards to Cakez hasn't really sat well with me

[Doctor Drew]

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

And please refresh my memory how your role works?

[Doctor Drew]

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

And please refresh my memory how your role works?

NVM I looked at your iso

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez just called you town. Oddly cakez has given more reads here and in our PT than most.

Yeah, my experience with Cakez this fits with townCakez too, but i think they know that as well.

But i always end up misfading Cakez anyways.

Idk, i think Maestro’s scum here if Cakez is town.

We didn't even fight, yet here we are agreeing.

I keep going back and forth about both of them, starting to paranoid they are both scum.

Some of how Maestro has been interacting in the FG in regards to Cakez hasn't really sat well with me

I actually don’t like that we haven’t fought, but somehow it gives me ease that i feel that too.

You been protecting Dan a lot too, which i can see the possible Scum/Scum, but that’s just a theory. A tinfoil theory.

I can understand your paranoia around Dan and I

VOTE: Cakez

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez just called you town. Oddly cakez has given more reads here and in our PT than most.

Yeah, my experience with Cakez this fits with townCakez too, but i think they know that as well.

But i always end up misfading Cakez anyways.

Idk, i think Maestro’s scum here if Cakez is town.

We didn't even fight, yet here we are agreeing.

I keep going back and forth about both of them, starting to paranoid they are both scum.

Some of how Maestro has been interacting in the FG in regards to Cakez hasn't really sat well with me

I actually don’t like that we haven’t fought, but somehow it gives me ease that i feel that too.

You been protecting Dan a lot too, which i can see the possible Scum/Scum, but that’s just a theory. A tinfoil theory.

I can understand your paranoia around Dan and I

VOTE: Cakez

UNVOTE:

Hold up, need to think about this

[Doctor Drew]

I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like it was clearly stated I got coffee on Day 2 that gave me the choice to drink and gave me a double action.

Bianco even confirmed this.

This makes me comfortable with Bianco town because Bianco as scum would give that to a scum team.

This also makes sense that if scum convert Bianco, they’d get rewarded with a double action play.

I feel like that wouldn’t work with conversion?

@Bianco - does your role bring this up? Is it just personal actions?

There is the caveat that you could be scum with scumBianco

Just want that possibility out there since you mentioned it

[Doctor Drew]

i dont think it makes sense for Bianco to confirm it if they were scum, and I dont think it makes sense for both of us to claim instead of keeping quiet if both of us were scum, but I definitely see arguments on how it could be scum partnering.

If both your claims are legit, I agree it makes no sense for both of you to be scum

And I would rather not waste brain power sorting there(with the conversions and all)

[Doctor Drew]

I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

I just finished a trial and I'm wrapping up moving.

I've said it a million times. My activity is solely related to IRL.

I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

I just finished a trial and I'm wrapping up moving.

I've said it a million times. My activity is solely related to IRL.

i think Drew's post was more of a shade on Roden than you.

This is exactly correct, you have seemed to have some IRL stuff as of late, Titus

Not sure why Roden is painting your inactivity as scummy

[Doctor Drew]

I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

Like...I even page topped with that post. You can't really miss it. Drew would've gotten a notification as well since I quoted him, so there's no reason for him to be acting like he doesn't know what I said.

Why are you painting me as the bad guy?

[Doctor Drew]

I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

Like...I even page topped with that post. You can't really miss it. Drew would've gotten a notification as well since I quoted him, so there's no reason for him to be acting like he doesn't know what I said.

Why are you painting me as the bad guy?

Lmao

Drew, you need to have an anime girl avatar to make this kind of AtE work

You realize that you are still painting me as the bad guy......and not knowing what AtE means?

[Doctor Drew]

Based on previous games Roden looks town here. Reminds me of the smugglers game

This Hu seems wildly different then I remember.

I will give a bit of benefit of the doubt since you are repping in

But.....

[Doctor Drew]

Based on previous games Roden looks town here. Reminds me of the smugglers game

This Hu seems wildly different then I remember.

I will give a bit of benefit of the doubt since you are repping in

But.....

? It's literally one post. What exactly is different?

Not this one post I quoted, that was just to get in your notifications.

You are more free form and fun when town.....this feels very zipped up corporate Hu

[Doctor Drew]

Based on previous games Roden looks town here. Reminds me of the smugglers game

This Hu seems wildly different then I remember.

I will give a bit of benefit of the doubt since you are repping in

But.....

? It's literally one post. What exactly is different?

Not this one post I quoted, that was just to get in your notifications.

You are more free form and fun when town.....this feels very zipped up corporate Hu

Okay. What exactly is corporate since you said it's not this post. And how come?

I literally just said that you are more free form and fun when town

But you also don't care about how your posts come off.......hence why I said you are 'zipped up corporate Hu' here

[Doctor Drew]

I'm not sure I buy this. Because it seems like too much of a snap read right away.

Literally said it was a snap read, said snap read is you are different here than I remember

[Doctor Drew]

Confirming FG has full claimed to each other. There's a rather obvious role theme to us.

Is it... friendship?

Friends to the end

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Cakez

Reasons
1) Cakez feels scummy
2) His claim to be on the list was out of nowhere
3) If wrong, we confirm a real name that isn't group scum.
4) There seems to be a lot of resistance to Cakez without defending the play.

I believe it was Maestro who claimed Cakez's name.

No idea what you're getting at with 3.

What do you mean by resistance? You said you haven't read day three yet.

My posts this real life morning were as I caught up.

If Cakez is on my lists, then either him or the other name must be good.

If Cakez is evil, then the other name must be good.

And again to clarify, 2 of the names are town.....one name is not town?

[Doctor Drew]

One name max *could be scum.

I didn’t think it was 50/50.

I think Aureal and I talked about this earlier, but it was never touched upon

Or 3p I assume, in the case of DV.

VOTE: Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

One name max *could be scum.

I didn’t think it was 50/50.

I think Aureal and I talked about this earlier, but it was never touched upon

Or 3p I assume, in the case of DV.

VOTE: Aureal

I think DV said they came across as town.

And......?

[Doctor Drew]

That is a weird defense of Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

One name max *could be scum.

I didn’t think it was 50/50.

I think Aureal and I talked about this earlier, but it was never touched upon

Or 3p I assume, in the case of DV.

VOTE: Aureal

Why the naked vote?

Why do you assume it is naked?

[Doctor Drew]

Like, it's really freaking weird to vote someone just because their name was randomly mentioned.

That is a weird defense of Aureal

And this is an even weirder comment, there's no defense being made here. You vote me at random then accuse Leaf of defending me by mentioning my name? What is up with you, Drew? Did you get converted?

After I voted you he said DV said you were townie....seems weird that he would involve the flipped 3p to tell me you are townie.....don't you think?

One name max *could be scum.

I didn’t think it was 50/50.

I think Aureal and I talked about this earlier, but it was never touched upon

Or 3p I assume, in the case of DV.

VOTE: Aureal

Why the naked vote?

Why do you assume it is naked?

Assume? It is. There is zero reason given for it. That's a naked vote.

Sometimes it's the things you don't say

[Doctor Drew]

Drew do you believe Cakez is town?

Well let me ask you a question, the names you received last night would be before or after a conversion.

I actually don't know the NAR with all that

[Doctor Drew]

Drew do you believe Cakez is town?

Well let me ask you a question, the names you received last night would be before or after a conversion.

I actually don't know the NAR with all that

Imagine a ? after conversion lol

[Doctor Drew]

Like, it's really freaking weird to vote someone just because their name was randomly mentioned.

That is a weird defense of Aureal

And this is an even weirder comment, there's no defense being made here. You vote me at random then accuse Leaf of defending me by mentioning my name? What is up with you, Drew? Did you get converted?

After I voted you he said DV said you were townie....seems weird that he would involve the flipped 3p to tell me you are townie.....don't you think?

Look, I know Leaf's misgendering use of 'they' makes things harder to understand, but I'm pretty sure he meant "he" there, as in DV said that HE comes across as town to investigatives. Nothing to do with me. Why do you think Leaf would even remember what DV's read on me was, let alone care? I'm not sure

I

even remember what DV's read on me was.

One name max *could be scum.

I didn’t think it was 50/50.

I think Aureal and I talked about this earlier, but it was never touched upon

Or 3p I assume, in the case of DV.

VOTE: Aureal

Why the naked vote?

Why do you assume it is naked?

Assume? It is. There is zero reason given for it. That's a naked vote.

Sometimes it's the things you don't say

I don't think you even understand the conversation. Go try again.

Oh I actually mis read that lol. And forgot that he said that, which is why I was looking for clarification.

So Titus, 3p would come through as town?

UNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

Drew do you believe Cakez is town?

Well let me ask you a question, the names you received last night would be before or after a conversion.

I actually don't know the NAR with all that

After and DV comes as town bc mod said so

Gotcha

And fuck it, thought I had a hero solve but

VOTE: Cakez

[Doctor Drew]

Well I'd rather it be competing wagons on scummy slots but at least having a wagon on A scummy slot is better than everyone going after my townreads like we were doing for a while there, I guess.

I'm still trying to work out where the the third scum would be if my sense that Dan/Cakez are two of them is correct. You

almost

make sense, but you and Cakez are doing a good job distancing if so.

Ya know, I have been heavily town reading Dan most of the game. But something about how I misread Flavors post and how Titus' role worked.

But something he said in our FG awhile ago makes me think it was TMI.

I wish he would post again, cause I have questions.

Yes I know I am being vague

Pre Edit: Oh hey Dan! Can we chat in the FG?

[Doctor Drew]

......I guess not

[Doctor Drew]

I did mean DV.

I'm working on fixing using they so much, I’m not perfect with it, but I’ll get there.

Apologies to DV, and apologies to those who do not like being called They. That is something I have found out semi recently, and have been working to fix. I will get there.

I need to work on it as well

[Doctor Drew]

I am of the mindset that this is too bold of a play for Aureal to be scum.

Dan has group scum possibility for me too, really the only reason I see is that people are naturally following around him, and i think in this type of game, you kind of have to have that, especially with the given info. That’s how the nature of this game you find associations.

That being said, it’s hard to put that as anything but paranoia for me because that is something that can easily happen with a Town Dan, and they haven’t done anything really inherently scummy.

This is more of an Aureal defense than a Dan push, though.

I want to chat with Dan in our FG, I have a big question for him involving something he posted.

I am being more and more distrusting of him, and the FG in general

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think it's great that you guys are apparently having a lot of private conversation that's significantly affecting your reads on each other. You probably weren't paying much attention to the rest of the love child game after you weren't playing anymore, but the quote in my sig comes about because of private conversation making people go hivemind (and be wrong where I was right).

Lol yes I remember when you were a goose.

I want to talk to Dan in private before I fuck some shit up(potentially)

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dr drew

Not the time for this tomfoolery Hu

I feel confident Dan has pulled the wool over our eyes in the FG group though.

Too many smoking guns about him knowing more than he was letting onto, I feel confident he should be the lim

VOTE: Dan

[Doctor Drew]

I assume I can't quote posts from there, but:

He made a post early on about expecting me or Maestro to be the N1 convert(I even asked why me, to no asnwer), then after I claimed my role what blocked FL from targeting Dan on N2, Dan assumed that it must have been me that blocked Maestro from being converted as well(didn't even occur to me at the time that this was tmi).

That was the post I wanted to talk to Dan about, and part of his response was to talk about mention, apropos to nothing, a mention of a in game flavor name and how it relates to FL.....and worded it as if I should know what he was talking about(no mention of the in game flavor name before in the FG).......really felt like a PT slip, like he meant to post it not in FG.

And now his posting seems like total damage control(literally as I am typing this and looking on my phone at the FG)

[Doctor Drew]

We've all claimed (and I first), and we all (aside from 1 of us) have roles that fit a theme of targeting within group and directly punishing scum from trying to convert within our group.

I am not even talking about the validity of your role(I can get into that if you want though)

I just feel you have displayed some tmi that I missed the first go around, and what seems to me a big PT slip

[Doctor Drew]

I don't mind claiming my role at this point. I directly protect against conversions. There is abother role that does punish scum worse than denying the conversion

And again, if this role claim is correct......how did you know that maestro and cakez weren't converted?

Yes, I did prevent any actions from outside the FG from targeting you, but you didn't know that at the time.

And if you are town and being legit, you would not know that your action was successful or not.

Yet you somehow KNEW that neither maestro and cakez were not converted.

How?

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez was my n2 target btw.

Ya despite what you think, I know how to read words

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez was my n2 target btw.

Ya despite what you think, I know how to read words

A bit snippy lol, my bad......but I am sure you get what I am referring to

[Doctor Drew]

I don't mind claiming my role at this point. I directly protect against conversions. There is abother role that does punish scum worse than denying the conversion

And again, if this role claim is correct......how did you know that maestro and cakez weren't converted?

Yes, I did prevent any actions from outside the FG from targeting you, but you didn't know that at the time.

And if you are town and being legit, you would not know that your action was successful or not.

Yet you somehow KNEW that neither maestro and cakez were not converted.

How?

???

How would you know that they weren't converted, protective roles would have no way of knowing this

[Doctor Drew]

Are we really questioning why the equivalent of a Doctor might believe that their action succeeded

Well it isn't as simple as that, but kinda.

But that wasn't even the crux of my issue with Dan

[Doctor Drew]

Also Dan, one other thing.

You said you targeted Maestro with your action N1, as you put it you 100% know they were not converted.........then why assume that it was my action that prevented them from being potentially converted?

[Doctor Drew]

It is frustrating to deal with you. You either do not seem to understand my argument or don't want to. Leaning the former but dont know how to explain to you any better

Scratch that drew is town. Claim and timing would not have happened otherwise. I will keep reminding myself of this

Also Dan, one other thing.

You said you targeted Maestro with your action N1, as you put it you 100% know they were not converted.........then why assume that it was my action that prevented them from being potentially converted?

[Doctor Drew]

Also Dan, one other thing.

You said you targeted Maestro with your action N1, as you put it you 100% know they were not converted.........then why assume that it was my action that prevented them from being potentially converted?

When did I say that? I asked if you targeted maestro because it made sense you would since you never claimed a n1 target and I had already claimed to have targeted maestro n1. Thus making your n1 claim close to irrelevant (yes I could have been rbed but that's not something I even considered)

Post 70 in the FG

[Doctor Drew]

I have 3 percent power our family is driv9ng back from ab all day event. Will be here in an hour or 2

Pedit

That 100% was for effect to say instead of just guessing based on play I had a role action to support. Mia culpa for not thinking of rbs at that moment in time

I will just preface this that the emoji I am about to post has nothing to with your irl stuff, have safe travels and I hope you and your family had fun

But

[Doctor Drew]

I have 3 percent power our family is driv9ng back from ab all day event. Will be here in an hour or 2

Pedit

That 100% was for effect to say instead of just guessing based on play I had a role action to support. Mia culpa for not thinking of rbs at that moment in time

I will just preface this that the emoji I am about to post has nothing to with your irl stuff, have safe travels and I hope you and your family had fun

But

Why would he assume it was me who prevented maestro from being converted, when Dan claimed a role that can prevent conversions......and he claimed he used it on maestro??

[Doctor Drew]

Drew on Maestro N1, Dan N2

Dan on Cakez N1, Maestro N2

from what i've seen. The issues are clearly coming from things beyond what the night actions are. I picked up on that not even being that thread.

I was on Dan both nights

Dan claimed to be on maestro D1, cakez D2

[Doctor Drew]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

Roden,

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

[Doctor Drew]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

Roden,

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

Can you paraphrase the post in your PT where he said this?

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

I assumed nothing of the sort. My question in the PT to you was the equivalent of "You targeted Maestro N1, right?"

Again, why would he assume I targeted maestro?

There was no indication I gave that I did

Wouldn't someone who doesn't know ask some sort of variation of 'who did you target?'

[Doctor Drew]

I think FG is friends again, but holy shit Drew plz, don't get so caught up in the flavor/role shit if yer missing things

That part was a tertiary read.

The tmi is is the main street of it all

[Doctor Drew]

WHAT TMI

Jesus man, why would Dan assume I targeted you with my role when their role could prevent a conversion??

[Doctor Drew]

leaning scum somewhere in the friendship group, leaning Maestro.

Now I know my gut leans correct with Maestro too after an end game just recently where I called them out as scum.

so I am leaning there. Didn't like their pop in earlier.

VOTE: Maestro

Why not Dan?

[Doctor Drew]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

[Doctor Drew]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

Roden,

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

Can you paraphrase the post in your PT where he said this?

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

I assumed nothing of the sort. My question in the PT to you was the equivalent of "You targeted Maestro N1, right?"

Again, why would he assume I targeted maestro?

There was no indication I gave that I did

Wouldn't someone who doesn't know ask some sort of variation of 'who did you target?'

OK but if you didn't, and he thought you did, where does TMI come into play?

His role would have prevented maestro from being converted, so why ask if I targeted maestro specifically if he already did?

[Doctor Drew]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

did yall claim real names in there? how did that come about?

I don't know what my post here has to do with real names

[Doctor Drew]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

did yall claim real names in there? how did that come about?

I don't know what my post here has to do with real names

cuz I think scum is in that FG

you dont need to claim the real names, but did you, when, and how did it go about?

We knew our names from the start

[Doctor Drew]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

did yall claim real names in there? how did that come about?

I don't know what my post here has to do with real names

cuz I think scum is in that FG

you dont need to claim the real names, but did you, when, and how did it go about?

We knew our names from the start

like Mod given?

OP of the FG, yes

[Doctor Drew]

lol, how do you all ever think that's occam's razor all town then.

that looks tailor made for it to be at least the original Traitor in there.

I agree

[Doctor Drew]

okay, I get what youre saying now, Drew. Is that essentially what youve been trying to say?

Kinda, but mainly that Dan's role that he claims wouldn't make sense if he thinks I could have blocked maestro from being converted

[Doctor Drew]

Drew's saying that Dan shouldn't have expected Maestro to not be converted because of thinking that Maestro was targeted By Drew on Night 1, when since Dan targeted Maestro Night 1, they should have expected Maestro to not be converted because DAN targeted Maestro themselves. Right?

Is this such a hard thing to understand??

[Doctor Drew]

Drew's saying that Dan shouldn't have expected Maestro to not be converted because of thinking that Maestro was targeted By Drew on Night 1, when since Dan targeted Maestro Night 1, they should have expected Maestro to not be converted because DAN targeted Maestro themselves. Right?

Is this such a hard thing to understand??

took me a second to get there, but im there now. Dan's trying to discredit now because I might be able to help momentum against them.

My frustration wasn't directed at you lol

[Doctor Drew]

I think both are individually scummy, and I see movement following Dann this game. Radical Rat fade was Dann lead, even if he didn't directly push more.

And Maestro is trying to actively get me to go wild flip flop here and discredit attempt. This started yesterday. I can see them both as OG scum. Maestro probably traitor.

Is there anything that looks like signaling, Drew?

Maestro does have a hard on for cakez.......but besides that, not that I have seen

[Doctor Drew]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor

, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

this has not been shown in the main game thread, so the fact it's happening behind closed doors feels like it's meant to get the rest of you to shade me.

Yep....

[Doctor Drew]

Your name has come up quite a bit as of late

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Hu

[Doctor Drew]

Sigh

What are you guys thinking with the Hu votes?

Why are Hu Tao votes off to you? I feel they’re semi warranted right now

Because I think she's almost certainly the traitor and thus we don't need to flip her to win. I'd rather catch the two we need to catch. I'll be rather grumpy if we're on a winning path here but delay it on an irrelevant flip and I get hit with a conversion with that extra time they get.

So who is the winning path?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

Who were you voting?

Also, FL catching shade from Dan(also Dan calling me an idiot on the FG, and his shade of my case on him here) lends credence to what FL is talking about.

Dan is just trying to discredit, and as I said as much in the FG I am not posting in there for the time being since I am not fully trusting anyone there.

FL hasn't been perfect, but he has been open about his actions and beliefs here. If he is scum, well played GG. Him and I together as town always wins, so I am willing to take that chance.

[Doctor Drew]

You

Ah ok, quickly looked through your last posts and didn't see a vote

[Doctor Drew]

we're finally voting Aureal, love it

'we're'?

[Doctor Drew]

I could see Theta/Dan maybe, Dan keeps bringing Theta up, but continues to deflect Aureal.

Maestro/maybe Titus/Dan

Roden trying to find little ways to come after me is kind of rough and maybe that’s a Night 2 conversion, but nowhere near sure of that.

Drew and I haven’t gone after each other yet, so maybe that’s an issue

Hey fuck you man, seriously

See? Fixed now lol

I don't think I could do Aureal today......or Roden

But why not Hu again?

There is a smidge of Thomith laying low and letting things play out.......like if things are going wrong I could see them just letting them go wrong here......just a slight vibe

[Doctor Drew]

i think i agree with doing a mass claim and i am fine with starting

i am an independent film maker
at night i can film the room of a player and receive a combined list of all action types that targeted the player and that the player performed
i cannot perform this action two nights in a row or on the first night

and last night i targeted dan and uh
got no results which i crumbed at the start of this day

Except that I targeted Dan last Night

[Doctor Drew]

i think i agree with doing a mass claim and i am fine with starting

i am an independent film maker
at night i can film the room of a player and receive a combined list of all action types that targeted the player and that the player performed
i cannot perform this action two nights in a row or on the first night

and last night i targeted dan and uh
got no results which i crumbed at the start of this day

Except that I targeted Dan last Night

Hmmm, unless my role blocks even that.... I guess

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Maestro

I see no reason for Maestro knowing Cakez name. I'd rather go here if not Cakez.

Like, I have my doubts with Maestro.....but we all know our names in the FG

[Doctor Drew]

In order of who I want:

Maestro
ActionDan
Cakez
Drew

I probably wont ever vote Drew in any fashion, though, but he's part of the FG.

I can vibe with this

I have already basically shunned Maestro and Dan, thought I do slightly feel Cakez could be scum more than Maestro........kinda feel like Mae is being used by Dan

[Doctor Drew]

In order of who I want:

Maestro
ActionDan
Cakez
Drew

I probably wont ever vote Drew in any fashion, though, but he's part of the FG.

I can vibe with this

I have already basically shunned Maestro and Dan, thought I do slightly feel Cakez could be scum more than Maestro........kinda feel like Mae is being used by Dan

I didn't expect to mind meld with Drew in the same Day that I scum read him, but here we are

Good town will realize their scum reads could be town

[Doctor Drew]

This is the weirdest game I have been a part of.

And I once played in a game where I had to kill Joan of Arc to win......who wasn't even in the game.

[Doctor Drew]

So you had to invent time travel?

No, we all had a role of a historical figure who had to kill another historical figure, an extremely bastard setup......I would rather not explain who I was heh.

Also the mod site flaked halfway through and the game never ended, no backup mod so one of the site mods stepped in and determined it wasn't worth saving......they had access to the setup and most players could not actually achieve their wincon.......such a fucked up setup.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.

Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?

I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.

I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.

Fwiw, I protected Cakez last night

I assumed I couldn't self target(though I suppose I should've asked the mod about that)

[Doctor Drew]

I am waiting for Cakez to claim his result before saying who I went to. I wish Drew had done the same.

I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.

Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?

I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.

I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.

Fwiw, I protected Cakez last night

I assumed I couldn't self target(though I suppose I should've asked the mod about that)

[Doctor Drew]

I am waiting for Cakez to claim his result before saying who I went to. I wish Drew had done the same.

I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.

Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?

I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.

I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.

Fwiw, I protected Cakez last night

I assumed I couldn't self target(though I suppose I should've asked the mod about that)

Oh nvm, I misread your post

Ya maybe I should have

[Doctor Drew]

But literally was you or Cakez, and my feelings on you are quite public knowledge

[Doctor Drew]

How did Leaf get No Result on Dan if Drew Rolestopped Cakez?

That was N2, not last night

[Doctor Drew]

How did Leaf get No Result on Dan if Drew Rolestopped Cakez?

That was N2, not last night

Also, not a role stop on my target

[Doctor Drew]

How did Leaf get No Result on Dan if Drew Rolestopped Cakez?

That was N2, not last night

Also, not a role stop on my target

Maybe I misread but I thought Leaf was giving his N3 results, not N2.

Are you not a Rolestopper?

I prevent someone outside of the FG from using on an action on whoever I target within the FG

[Doctor Drew]

What's nagging me is that the FG has flipped scum, they exchanged names yet they are still of the same position as yesterday...

Easiest solution is Maestro saved Dan from elimination

Or Cakez is Group scum converting the entire friend group.

I tend to believe the former.

It is of course possible that Cakez converted Maestro N1, then tried to convert Dan N2 but was blocked, and then converted him N3, in your scenario.

And if that is true I am angry that he converted them over me lol.

[Doctor Drew]

What's nagging me is that the FG has flipped scum, they exchanged names yet they are still of the same position as yesterday...

Easiest solution is Maestro saved Dan from elimination

Or Cakez is Group scum converting the entire friend group.

I tend to believe the former.

It is of course possible that Cakez converted Maestro N1, then tried to convert Dan N2 but was blocked, and then converted him N3, in your scenario.

And if that is true I am angry that he converted them over me lol.

They could have done it any night because of the 1-shot Unstoppablizer or whatever

There is that as well

[Doctor Drew]

Also I wish there was a tracker of some sort that was on Cakez last night, they claimed to target me.

[Doctor Drew]

I went from hard town reading Dan to hard scum reading Dan to soft town reading Dan

His behavior in the final few hours of Day 3 and effort in the dance party PT did a lot to sway me

A good scum player can manipulate their role and play, especially in a role madness type game.

Dan had to obv town it up after the heat on him.

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

This is me trying to talk my way through how much I can trust or not trust Dan btw, like from my perspective would Dan and Maw have that theater after I shared so much distrust of basically the whole FG? Was that for Cakez?

Or am I misguided about my distrust of Dan?