Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya, now's the time to catch me if you're gonna get wings a-flappin.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya, now's the time to catch me if you're gonna get wings a-flappin.

Flap flap flap flap flap

Okay, so! Let's have a chat. You know how I have a neighbourhood with Clownpiece right? They're guaranteed to live through tonight, given they're untargettable from commute. I've left them something in our neighbourhood, from my role. It should... clear or implicate someone tomorrow, but I'll need today to figure it out. If Clownpiece fails to provide it, do not consider them clear, though I still think they're probably just town today.

As for today, for the sake of being able to actually USE that info I have... I need to kill within a pairing. Kaguya or Sanae. I have reads elsewhere about other people but those are the on the table players for today.

Wanna walk through Sanae town v scum with me?

You're going to have to settle for unfiltered thoughts, I am doing chores in between posts. But go ahead. Use me as a diving board.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I don't see us not killing Sanae for mech reasons on top of the scum points unless somebody's siting on a way to mech clear her instantly by the by, but the thought exercise is welcome and probably useful to sort out the POE anyways.

(And Sanae if you are town I am sorry the mod is a right troll and we can go put rocks in his shoe together postgame.)

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya, now's the time to catch me if you're gonna get wings a-flappin.

Flap flap flap flap flap

Okay, so! Let's have a chat. You know how I have a neighbourhood with Clownpiece right? They're guaranteed to live through tonight, given they're untargettable from commute. I've left them something in our neighbourhood, from my role. It should... clear or implicate someone tomorrow, but I'll need today to figure it out. If Clownpiece fails to provide it, do not consider them clear, though I still think they're probably just town today.

As for today, for the sake of being able to actually USE that info I have... I need to kill within a pairing. Kaguya or Sanae. I have reads elsewhere about other people but those are the on the table players for today.

Wanna walk through Sanae town v scum with me?

You're going to have to settle for unfiltered thoughts, I am doing chores in between posts. But go ahead. Use me as a diving board.

Let's start at the top. The reason I suspected Larvae was because I felt they were sidelining at the EoD yesterday and that indicates to me in at least some capacity that Sanae might be town. Because were Sanae scum, would they really be comfortable sidelining the way they did?

Was it a sideline? My impression at the time I saw the larva flip and furiously re-read the end of day one was that Larva hopped off Sanae and onto Ichi in such a way as that you-me-Ichi would have all had to vote... at a time in which it looked likely that of those three names, only I'd be around. While providing a written case to cancel their own town read of ichi at that time. Which felt at times like theater with Sanae needing the bailout at that exact inflection point in the game.

[Koishi Komeiji]

In a lot of ways this is less a "Sanae has done scummy things" read than a "Sanae looks like an obvious Larva partner" read.

[Koishi Komeiji]

In a lot of ways this is less a "Sanae has done scummy things" read than a "Sanae looks like an obvious Larva partner" read.

This is part of my guilt in talking to Sanae this game phase btw!

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya.

Don't fade on me.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I'm able to jam, if we can yes.

[Koishi Komeiji]

So, okay. I felt like they were sort of sidelined so the question for me is... I do think Sanae is probably just scum here but situationally it doesn't make much sense.

Right so part of this is because I've sorted Sanae into one of the various "mafia playstyle sterotypes" in my head, but it felt like she just sorta got flashwagoned and threw her hands up in the scum PT about trying to save it and then larva talked her out of it and to keep trying one more cycle, at the expense of being outed to the sharp eyes of ClownCrow.

Sigh.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Koishi the 2nd one is just Kaguya, no?

It's really awkward because I think it might be and I bound there last niiiiight so kaguya is stronkwilled.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Well, I have a third ability to play with that i'm not discussing further. Which may be able to take care of that, or it might not. But regardless, you're better off assuming a single night of strongwilled regardless.

ANd use your goodies on further POE.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Why would they? I don't think it informs them of the fact?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Strong WILLED modifier applies to my targets each night we're connected.

I don't generally as a mod inform people of that if it's an action arising from another player's role?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yeah. If it was a strongMAN modifier, the fuck would I ever use that for?

I'd just sit on it forever without using it.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Remind me, you bind to someone then you get a strong willed protect that permanently stays on that target as long as Kaguya is alive and you’re alive.

Then it just becomes a normal protect if kaguya dies, and the whole thing collapses if you die?

No.

I bind to somebody, which every cycle including the one it's used on it protects them as a bodyguard. NO scum roles will work on that person while I'm doing so. Except nightkill, which goes to me.

If I am dead, they get that from beyond the grave (as my phantom half) I'll be strong-willing modifier my target while they live and I am dead. (This part won't be revealed upon my initial flip but the chances for this causing major misunderstandings in role madness means that I would be insane not to just full claim it now!)

So, Kaguya is gonna be strongwilled N3 unless speedlimmed tomorrow, because I am 100% the scum kill here tonight.

It's actually part of why I was leaning towards potentially asking everyone to claim what they did N1, at least somewhat, so I could strategize with those factors in play.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Because I was trying to outguess scum and assumed they'd assume i was protecting Clown and I was town reading them at the start of N1 when I fire-and-forgot and slept the next 48 hours away.

[Koishi Komeiji]

To be clear though your ability did work and you did bind to them, was that an active card, is there anything in it that implies it would supersede Tenshi’s ability?

It DOES fire before other effects, it's compulsive, I can't spend a cycle NOT bound to somebody via compulsive modifier.

[Koishi Komeiji]

1. Didn't you decide before eod who you bound
2. Still, why did you end up on Kaguya out of the other 8 people in the game

That makes as much sense as Kagerou's Tenshi shot honestly

Kaguya, They/Them that looks like an Akiha knock-off but probably predates her character design by years idk

Things I liked

-45 and 46, a naked vote followed up with explanation the next post, but going out of your way to naked vote to make it stand out, like putting it in bold in an otherwise boring essay.
-54 and 55, while somebody would have done this eventually, initiative is there, but still making 66 to put a nice little conditional bow on the read.
-Post 339 is still my favorite post of the early game, sue me.
-Post 343 (in hindsight knowing what that reason is) to me screams "townie putting info into the thread just in case they die and the flips help people figure it out"
-Post 545, especially knowing later that the snap town read-them-for-it post is gonna happen. It was like the trailer for the big movie.
-The cheeky question -flip back about the Marisa read in 552 though. Crisp.
-906 is actually a pretty decent tl;dr of an ISO. Or rather, I find it absolutely believable that Kaguya got there from where they started.
-910 is a decent take
-the SECOND answer in 926 to the how do ISO query is actually completely in line with behavior and motive of a townie getting left in the dirt by a shitty hyper poster who is missing a keyboard so phone posts to death. Not that I know anyone who would to that.
-Knowing post 1129 exists means I'm skipping over a lot of the back-and-forth about Aya-posting because that entire section of the game I am not touching until Aya comes back, tbh?

Things I disliked

-59 to me seems to be uh, wasted post. It's the sort of mech busywork that's very surface level and doesn't actually push the game forward, really?
-548 and 549 when not followed up with a list or reason for how that was being determined and failing to answer that later still kinda sits sour with me
-I didn't really like the answer of 551, but I get that it may be "time I have to spend on the game" indicative more than anything else
-909 just feels weird.

Things I cannot Grok?

-I don't know to +town or +scum the whole "I am town" thing and then the snark in post 419 after it. So it goes here in the null callouts!
-I'm terrible at getting anything out of back and forth like the ones in 913

Overall Verdict: Town. Don't know if worth jumping on the grenade for though!

I liked their D1 play from first impression, okay?

[Koishi Komeiji]

It's okay apparently all is quiet now?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yeah but we should proceed as if she's unavailable.

Or, like, is that a hard-stop for you Clownie?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Koishi if Kaguya died right now do you get to rebind yourself?

Do we want me to answer this even if it requires making that info public like this?

[Koishi Komeiji]

And define "right now"

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yes. I can undo once.

Unbind tonight, and then forcing me to rebind and effects again N3.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Like let's say we murdered Kaguya today and Kaguya were your bound target, does that release your bind and you get to act again tonight?

That's a very "everything fizzles" scenario, actually. I mean that's straight up job failure.

I wish Kaguya was here for all this by the by.

Kind of weird how we all went "oh it could be kaguya" and kaguya is like, just giving that airspace.

[Koishi Komeiji]

The unbind thing is a choice that also does something slightly interesting for me, but is basically a "oops I targeted wrong" slow redo of my role in a world where i was sneaky and didn't claim, and I can be doing all these roster swaps unknown to public.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Like, we lim the person I was bodyguarding today? Then that's it, I played my role out. Kiss it goodbye. The one rebind has nuttin, because the conditions for it weren't triggered. I don't think gif anticipated a world where this scenario occurs, I guess?

[Koishi Komeiji]

If only I had a way to join the ayapiece PT.

Sadly, this isn't me hinting, i really really don'\t but if somebody else can by some weirdness, PLZ.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Just, uh, not day-role ways, because that shit will fail on me and be wasted.

[Koishi Komeiji]

?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Okay. Goodbye, folks, it was nice playing with you all.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Kinda have my odds at 60-40 here but mechanically this is always the play.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I am here but not really needed.


I will be around tomorrow morning to read the Marisa case.

[Koishi Komeiji]

So everyone is ready for the road trip except Marisa who said she would be five minutes because she had to use the restroom but now it's been like twenty minutes and we are wondering if we should send a search party. Got it.

[Koishi Komeiji]

So everyone is ready for the road trip except Marisa who said she would be five minutes because she had to use the restroom but now it's been like twenty minutes and we are wondering if we should send a search party. Got it.

They said tomorrow and it’s not tomorrow.

Yes, that was the joke, everyone else is ready except them.

[Koishi Komeiji]

With the exception of like Koishi

I'm just that attractive?

I didn't have the impression you were scum reading me D1 that hard though?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I'm not sure that even if I try to explain that it'll make sense to you because I am very convinced it's stylistic tower of Babylon effect here.

[Koishi Komeiji]

As in we speak completely different mafia languages. Because I feel like what happened at the end of day one was extremely obvious.

[Koishi Komeiji]

As far as what Aya and I were doing that is.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Well from my point of view I had a moment of clarity that you were almost certainly town and I needed to get as much time and work in together expecting to not have day two with both of us alive. Mix that in with the pressure cooker of a deadline and a sudden flurry of activity in the games other slots.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Mostly the weed tbqh. And rereading the emotionally dense parts of the game I'd been setting aside.

But this can also come up postgsme. Right now we are both mech near confotown so not sure this chat helps anyone advance the game sadly.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Nah it's fine. I just don't want Marisa to yap at us.


Go ahead.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Eh? I dunno my take was dai was the elim larva actually wanted.


But open to hearing otherwise. bed in like two minutes tho so will read it tomorrow.

[Koishi Komeiji]

*plops down in big comfy chair and awaits Marisa storytime*

[Koishi Komeiji]

*snores in chair*

[Koishi Komeiji]

We have a day and two hours but I don't know what time zone Marisa lives in. It's afternoon here though.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Marisa come back.

You can even have the cat in the breakup after all.

[Koishi Komeiji]

No no, let her have this one. It's funnier that way.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I mean won't we all? That's kind of a given.

Half the fun of anon games is the endgame once all IDs are known and we laugh and cry over everything that went down.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I don't get where your new-found suspicious (that are definitely not your old suspicions, but wearing a tophat and a monocle) are coming from tho.

[Koishi Komeiji]

It's frustrating isn't it?

It's a constant game of hurry up and wait for XYZ.

Cursed timings.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I am suddenly left with an unexpected inability to be around for the next 12 hours or so. As such, I'm going to just vote now and peace out.

VOTE: sanae

[Koishi Komeiji]

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

Koishi help me I'm going insane I hate deadlines I always make the wrong choice near deadlines. I should just vote Sanae right? And reevaluate if she flips town

If you had a one shot investigative that you had to use tonight, would you even consider using it on sanae?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Or would you want to whittle down the POE further?

[Koishi Komeiji]

3 days with no posts >_<

The irony of you being the one to say this heh.

But yeah I think they went vla and are just not here?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I really wish I had better reads on the soft middle of the Oreo cookie that is this game but I really don't.

Thankfully as soon as somebody else hammers it ceases to be my problem for the rest of the game because I get to go hang out in the dead thread and laugh

[Koishi Komeiji]

At least I'm assuming that's what's going to happen anyways. If they shoot the crow then I will just be sad in the main threat instead of the above.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Wow. I sure am good at clearing rooms....

[Koishi Komeiji]

See you there for d3.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Well how was your day?

[Koishi Komeiji]

And how does it feel to now understand exactly how I felt last cycle at the last 48 hours or so?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Well how was your day?

Pretty good actually, I went with my sister and mother to eat out (which is also why I was so late).

That doesn't need sound like a pretty mundane but happy day! I am eating out for drastically different reasons, but I am happy to extol the virtues of the creamy sriracha sauce at Subway.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Oh that does remind me that I want it on the record that if we have at least one more strong or two week protective or night kill stopping rolls, then the vig is almost certainly scum's way of having a strong man while also being cheeky from the mods.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yeah unfortunately this is how we have to proceed. Damned game state. The aya asspull was literally the only reason we will be in this tomorrow if sanae town.

[Koishi Komeiji]

As in, we can be wrong twice but there's still a scum down so we aren't in early endgame scenarios.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Also @koishi part of why I think you can be scum here is that I think you should be able to see I'm town

Like you're very competant and you're kinda just letting it happen

Even so, you absolutely need to be flipped because I won't believe it until I am SURE (tm) and the way that happens is we flip you. I think an investigative needs to be elsewhere in the center.

I'm sorry, if you're town I get the blues but I won't believe it without the certainty.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Wait dai are you claiming hider? If so, plz target Kaguya overnight? That would actually resolve you both.

If not well whatever scum would have gotten that from the above post. Meh.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Okay, going to bed for real. Goodbye, everyone.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hello I am up for a second. That was not hammer. Please don't no lim.

Okay back to sleep you got this crew.

[Koishi Komeiji]

VC 2.04

Sanae Kochiya [3]:

Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan, Marisa Kirisame

Reisen Udongein Inaba [1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Mairsa Kirisame [1]:

Clownpiece

Not Voting [5]:

Aya Shameimaru, Kagerou Imaizumi, Koishi Komeiji, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Yuuka Kazami

With

10

remaining,

6

votes to eliminate

Deadline: (expired on 2024-03-28 16:25:26)

Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

I set an alarm to check the flip but wtf some body for the love of God hammer.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Noted. Now you can send us off. I'd like to go back to sleep now.

[Koishi Komeiji]

? Wdym

[Koishi Komeiji]

Sleep now tho. But I am confuzzle

[Koishi Komeiji]

I set my alarm for this.

But it's the middle of the night and I'm not super thinking well.

I'll grok tomorrow.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Geh. I was hoping that was a nightmare. And not reality.


Well. Now I'm awake and with a gambit that didn't work out and is all spent.

I really should have flipped that coin the other direction last night.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Kind of.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Reading along, unable to post tonight to any real effort.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I believe gif has the "all players of the faction" rule informally as well. (As in, all three Mafia have to agree for that sort of play).

[Koishi Komeiji]

I've literally killed a scum partner before (with their permission). But day one? Hell no that's stupid. That's a hail Mary play you make to setup one of the final two for endgame.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Cool see you all in 72 hours when Reisen shows up and we play the next hurry up and wait round.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I keep thinking you're Fern from Frieren.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Anyone not named Yuuka need anything from me?

Going to bed soon.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I happen to know for a fact that Aya and I were not the target of a kill.


So... Yeah.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Spellcard!

One shot and it tells me if me or my protect were targeted for a kill, and makes us both bulletproof that night. It also can be used to change the target. Hence bound to Aya now with this.

[Koishi Komeiji]

The new target. I can state with complete certainty that Aya was not shot at either.

Something about I pull out a hell fire sword and parry bullets?

I was hoping it would be a pgo when I read the title but alas.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I'm kinda lost on why scum shot Clownpiece then

They assumed I'd be swapping protections to Aya? They knew I wasn't protecting clown because I was previously bound to you? Because you're the mafia all along mwahahahhaah? It can't be that I was role copped at least? Plenty of options.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hmmm. But presumably claimed to be actually copping in their hood for n2?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Right so by that logic you'd be the one who knew that they weren't commuting?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I think the play is

VOTE: reisen

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya being told makes sense.
Yours does not.

Actually I kind of do echo this. It's a little odd.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I am reading along but have not really processed anything. Tomorrow, sorry, long and painful holiday.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Fuck mech (seriously, optimal play has gotten us two town elims and I'm guilty of that), Reisen is frozen scum.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Narrator: nobody else piped in.

You rejected me so deal with it.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Around, sorry

Square, not sorry.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Fuck mech (seriously, optimal play has gotten us two town elims and I'm guilty of that), Reisen is frozen scum.

I'm giving some leeway there cause Aya and Marisa have also been afk and it's Easter

This wasn't specific to this day phase, though.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I just don't have that many other places I think are mafia, really?

I don't really think it's Aya. If it is some sort of masterclass 42069IQ play then she can win.
I don't really think it's Yuuka. Yuuka's doing the self-aware thing to a point of hilarity and I just don't see that as something scum can do convincingly to THIS degree.
I don't really think it's Dai given associatives from Larva + literally jesus role on easter lol.

I sort of like my original town read on Fern here, even if she is doing the "focus on why it's not me" thing a bit much for my liking. I need to reread her reaction to my role given she's ALSO claiming protective here, though.
It COULD be Marisa, I guess, given Sanae's flip wasn't mafia. But I've liked that slot.
It COULD be the "vig" werewolf, where scum had an extra kill. It's wacky enough that I don't put it past gif so my "mech" clear is thrown out with the baby AND the bath water. And the wolf killed by bud Tenshi which is a crime in and of itself.


And that leaves Reisen, which I am finding no real reasons to town read besides surface level activity and occasional "good" posts.


So, like, yeah.

{Aya, Dai}
{Yuuka}
-------
{Kaguya}
{Kagerou, Marisa}
{Reisen}


This game is hard because scum isn't a bunch of incompetent losers that are gonna roll over and die. But that's much the point to push forward anyways. Mech spec and "optimal play" (TM) has gotten me end of day phase deadline hammering two townies. Enough. I'm tired of waffling and being useless, I'd rather be decisive and wrong than waffle my way to a muddy loss. I owe it to Sanae at the very least.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya get your feathered butt in here, it's time to stop moping and to start murdering. And you're literally crow, murder is in your species' grouping name.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Kaguya, since you seem to be keen on mechspec, can you put together a spreadsheet of all known/claimed night/day actions and passives, and lay them out for everyone?

Ideally, denote cells with an additional color if they're confirmed by a second party (orange? yellow?), and green if they're mod confirmed IE the dai rezz.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Werewolf, Reisen, convince me why I shouldn't murder you because I am a murder hobo whose murdering murder is ready to murder murderously.

But seriously, I feel like I have no idea your thoughts on the state of the game or anything that has really happened in the past game cycle. I can remember Sanae's takes better than yours, and she's dead and hasn't been able to post this phase.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Gif, you're welcome to pagetop.

Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I forgot Marisa. Sorry Marisa. You uh, come talk to me in real time maybe?

I wanna set aside mech and talk about your thoughts on my reads. Specific focus, me townbinning Dai, and maybe convince me on pulling Fern down a tier or two, come try to take her spot it'll be fun.

[Koishi Komeiji]

*crickets chrip*

I'll talk to my homie Tenshi in the dead thread I guess.

Hey Tenshi, how's it going? Is it fun, growing mushrooms? Does it itch? I really miss you. You'd still be here being witty and motivating and just a touch smug. But then a big bad wolf shot you in the face. That wasn't very nice. Now I have to wonder if they just suck at reading you, or if this is GiF being cheeky and smirking at the mafia vig super-strongman role he put in his game and got past the reviewers. Because if Kaguya is town too, we sorta have multiple protectives that are effective.

[Koishi Komeiji]

*crickets chrip*

I'll talk to my homie Tenshi in the dead thread I guess.

Hey Tenshi, how's it going? Is it fun, growing mushrooms? Does it itch? I really miss you. You'd still be here being witty and motivating and just a touch smug. But then a big bad wolf shot you in the face. That wasn't very nice. Now I have to wonder if they just suck at reading you, or if this is GiF being cheeky and smirking at the mafia vig super-strongman role he put in his game and got past the reviewers. Because if Kaguya is town too, we sorta have multiple protectives that are effective.

Yeah.

I uh, sorta feel like shit for how day two played out.

I let "optimal play" get in the way of a clearly bleeding town Sanae that I should have stuck to my guns on that initial townread. I just couldn't get over the scum reading me for the Yuuka casewall. Sorry bout that, Sanae-shrooms.

Mea culpa.

I'm gonna try and LISTEN (tm) to your reads as you pleaded.

[Koishi Komeiji]

The fruit vendor thing?

I find it conceivable that it was routed to Tenshi, and that Marisa could be cheeky mafia claiming the fruit since they know where it went was a dead person, so I am discounting an outright mechclear. This scenario would also make the vig shot more interesting as a scum vig shot.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I'm not clown piece, but I'd be looking at Clown, Kagerou, Marisa, Kaguya.

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

Clown and Marisa I actually think are town on reads

Why?

Clown 1.0 was incredibly townie
Marisa - I don't know why she keeps flashwagoning as scum, or why she would start a wagon on me end of day1, and I think the indecisiveness is townie

And I'll say, again, that the Tenshi vig makes little sense to me from a town POV, Tenshi was pretty obvtown end of day, and I believe at least both me and Koishi said that
(I.e. Kagerou being like 'nobody had townreads on them! So I thought I was reducing the lim pool!' Makes very little sense to me)

Sanae is seeing the suspect thing too. I'm not hallucinating it. Could it be a cheeky play from a werewolf-vig? Maybe that's the answer to double protectives, an extra kill to just straight-up advance their team a half-phase to balance out the town crazystrongs.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I would go like

Reisen -> Yuuka/Kaguya -> Kagerou -> Dai/Marisa -> Clown

Another point in favor of Reisen. We're overlapping, but because I came to reisen via different methods than you, Sanae-shroom; it's amplifying.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I feel like there's nozero odds this is cheeky mech-Kaguya scum, and Reisein partner.

And all of {Dai/Aya/Marisa/Wolfy} are just town who I'm forgetting. THe only read of Sanae's that I disagree with is the Yuuka one. I'm not quite there because my town read of Yuuka has been trending up, not down. And there's day three data that Sanae-before-shroom wasn't around to see that trends that direction.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I feel like there's nozero odds this is cheeky mech-Kaguya scum, and Reisein partner.

And all of {Dai/Aya/Marisa/Wolfy} are just town who I'm forgetting. THe only read of Sanae's that I disagree with is the Yuuka one. I'm not quite there because my town read of Yuuka has been trending up, not down. And there's day three data that Sanae-before-shroom wasn't around to see that trends that direction.

Or rather, are just town who I'm forgetting to reach out to and find better, because I really shouldn't have so few townreads I have faith in this late into the game. RIght now if I set aside all mech the only two reads I have that are worth me dead before them are Aya and... Yuuka actually. I weigh your Marisa read over mine, I find the lass hard to understand, sanaeshroom.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Come bird. I fear you must talk me down this cliff.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Ehh, I’ve gotten so far behind this game it’s just…daunting to get back into it. I already don’t have any special attachment being ascetic.

So I know the real way to sort me is to flip me, if it doesn’t put us in danger of losing then fine.

Some observations I DO have.

-I don’t think scum care very much about me being absent. Koishi is the only person that’s been on me and I think they’re town here.
- I have some thought to the idea of Koishi and aya scum together but I was looking at the vote counts and I don’t think it makes sense for coordinated night play in order to run the gambit they’d be running hypothetically and then be split on what to do with Sanae.

Think that makes kagerou particularly interesting since if they are town both scum pushed on Sanae. Context kind of matters since town did too.

Reading from dais comeback.

Please do rally. If you're town I don't wanna make a townkill three rounds in a row. I am not dead-set on you, despite my vote being there. I want to hear your thoughts.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yes, you''re welcome to ignore mech because I don't think we have a single 100% mod-confirmed mech clear; that';s Kaguya's homework anyways. Mostly because if she doesn't convince me there's an actually 100% no takesbacksies loophole mod confirms at this point in the game, I will be voting ignoring everything but reads myself.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I’m not saying kill me now, but I know my fate in this game with my role.

No fuck that, we lost our investigative. That means absolutely ZERO now, you can't be sorted by being targeted sure but neither can damn well anyone else, Clown's a shroom. And shrooms don't get to target ANYONE.

[Koishi Komeiji]

My passive is known. Immunity to all day abilities, which is noted to include vote multipliers.

I am betting that refers to Ishi's poison and one scum role we don't know that also interferes with voting, even if possibly a double voter.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Sooooooooooooo what's weirder... A scum supervig, or a scum-scum neighborhood?

Or hey, possibility of gif going "lol both". Or neither.

Dunno if he's get that past the reviewers tho. But hey look at me mechspeccing right after saying I'd stop mech-speccing.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Talk to me more about the Dai-scum side of that argument.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Lay that out for me, if you can?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I’ll retract that till after I’m caught up because I can see scum just shooting clown off of their place in the game and them claiming cop actually being irrelevant.

Noted.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Ugh, why do I like the fact that you retracted it so much.

SHroom-san really thought you were maf.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?

For me it's more that I townread Aya/Koishi/Daiyousei/Reisen and that just leaves Marisa/Yuuka/Kagerou

Which of those reads are mech and which are "pure"?

[Koishi Komeiji]

But like, what if you didn't rely on mech reads at all, would you still have Aya and I that high? Or do you truly believe we are IMPOSSIBLE to be scum, not just as a team but as anyone's partner either?

[Koishi Komeiji]

What do you think about killing Kagerou here?

I'm listening.

I'm tired of drag-our-feet playing. It's gotten us absolutely nowhere effective. We are only not in crisis because either scum made a very cheeky delay gabit (low odds imo) or Aya just saved our sorry asses with a GREAT single-use role usage. (high odds, IMO) We need to rally and start massively upswinging the solve-mood in the air. I want everyone's cases, I want this to be a page of lol casewalls where everything just lays it all out.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Also, Kagerou's passive is already known: She gets mod confirmed as

Marisa Kirisame

at the start of the game. Why would scum bother to disable that passive?

Noting that this is something gif has been known to do before as well. Ie a passive that announced flavor. And he's done a scum vig before too. Is is possibly both?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yes. This is a theory I am realistically evaluating as decent odds.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Are we back?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Why not?

I kind of think this is the point at which we should have everything on the table and be talking reads? What risk is there when you've got two mechclears who will most likely die first?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Cop's dead. Bodyguard is outed. Reviiver is reviver'd. Sanae is a shroom who grew out of a body instead of a stump.

[Koishi Komeiji]

What exactly could POSSIUBLY still be hidden that would be worth hiding instead of using knowledge to force through maximum data?

[Koishi Komeiji]

but I am largely frustrated in this regard because of inactivity.

This is what I'm trying to fix. We need to hold lurking accountable. Post and be heard, or die.

[Koishi Komeiji]

No, not yet.

[Koishi Komeiji]

It would seem everyone else is gone anyways.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Before Reisen tho?


That's my hangup.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I'd love it to be simultaneously when they're both online but activity waits already nuked two days.

[Koishi Komeiji]

No but if Reisen is scum they won't know what yours is first. And vice versa. Unless you're the exact scumteam which would be wacky!

[Koishi Komeiji]

Could everyone drop their bracketed reads at some point soon? I'm having trouble putting together the exact game state view from some of you.


Did Marisa go vla?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I forgot if clown said they could commute in thread or not.

They did claim ITT to have charged it up to use N2.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Which means part of their plan yesterday was explicitly to kill Sanae during the day.

Yes, that is indeed the implication. Which is why those who did nothing but like "yeah kill sanae day's over let's not work or think" are suspect to me now.

[Koishi Komeiji]

And lo, did the game go back to hurry up and wait.

[Koishi Komeiji]

(yes, that was the joke, I"m just at work and merely snarking from the sidelines)

[Koishi Komeiji]

To the people holding onto stuff because it'll be useful later....

It's probably not worth holding back given game state, convince me otherwise.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I wanna echo that bird's reads are something I am not aware of. I really am hoping everyone could give those bracketed reads.

[Koishi Komeiji]

this thread feels like watching Kaguya trying to pry open the PoE with a crowbar

this was a jokey post but the feeling behind it is absolutely real, Kaguya kinda feels like scum forgetting to keep up appearances in a way because they are so busy with all that's already on their mind?

Put more words to this and make me feel it.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I hate tone policing but I generally don't find it alignment indicative. Maybe I should?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I told a little fib about my role.

Well once the others get on with it, i've got one last thing of my own as well.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hi Marisa. Plz stick around we need you i you're town.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yeah Clownpiece was 100% confident in you being town Marisa btw

I told them to cop you and they hard refused levels of confident.

Birb where is your head.

Talk to me about yuuka specifically.

[Koishi Komeiji]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

until the end of night 2

Hi Okay so I have some info to reveal. Namely that I am indeed the passive disabler but I targeted Daiyousei night 1, not Kagerou.

Meaning that I was redirected.

Distracted reading from work, but wanted to pop in to verify that Kagerou was indeed my Night 1 target. I thought there was a realistic possibility they'd shoot me and I wanted to turn it back on them if so.

Were you scum reading the wolf D1? It was noisy so if I missed it can you refresh me?

[Koishi Komeiji]

My role PM is so short compared to the ones that flipped somehow.

[Koishi Komeiji]

My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Mech SPECULATION is not gonna solve this game. Gif's a crazy bastard who dances on gunpowder for funsies.

Mech ACTION analysis MIIIGHT give us at most one more clear.

[Koishi Komeiji]

You're literally the only person claiming to deviate from the

Active
Passive
Optional Hood Passive

format

Which given that you spent the entire time away from this game points to scum messing up a fakeclaim more than anything for me

"Gif forgot to do that one and had to quickly make it and just gave ffery the cliff notes in the review" is an entirely possible chain of events, this is not compelling to me and never will be.

[Koishi Komeiji]

You're literally the only person claiming to deviate from the

Active
Passive
Optional Hood Passive

format

Which given that you spent the entire time away from this game points to scum messing up a fakeclaim more than anything for me

"Gif forgot to do that one and had to quickly make it and just gave ffery the cliff notes in the review" is an entirely possible chain of events, this is not compelling to me and never will be.

What's your take on Marisa

As of right this second? If its the three of us in 3P, I vote you twice.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Probably rank these six as town-> scum:

Dai
Kagerou
Marisa/Yuuka
Kaguya
Reisen

Sanae agreed. Not sure why shroom-san had the wolf so high, but she did.

I think you should always lim in Kaguya/Reisen tomorrow

[Koishi Komeiji]

Do we have all other claims on the board, and you're ready to proceed with my truth, birb?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Speak your truth.

You are not nearly feathered enough to replace her, sorrynotsorry.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Dai who's passive do you think Mafrisa would disable over yours N1?

Assuming Mafia Marisa? Any of the people who were generally better-thought-of than me at the time or had made their role central to their play. Piece, Tenshi, Koishi, probably others.

I don't think mine would be worth disabling in this list unless mafia has a really cool strong negative day ability.

We still have some sort of day ability sitting in the ether.

[Koishi Komeiji]

There is no lock mechanic.

I can target freely each night.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hah, and my other hidden passive is I can kill thread activity at will.

[Koishi Komeiji]

My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.

Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.

While I gather up the hood, I invite you to mull over the middle section of 4297, as a starting point if nothing else.

I'm actually doing this and rereading parts of day one as my homework tonight.

[Koishi Komeiji]

With the caveat that it's hard to judge activity levels as an indicator of scummyness, feels like reisen came in, saw my calls for death, and like, did the exact bare minimum for me to move on for the time being.

I really hope we get activity from them now.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hello jet-setting lass. How was(were) your flight(s)?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Is that one of those personality types, like yandere or tsundere?

Please tell me this isn't some flat chest joke.

/s

[Koishi Komeiji]

It's Japan. It's probably one of those silly trillion year old cases and YOU'RE the criminal one anyways:

Spoiler:

[Koishi Komeiji]

It's Japan. It's probably one of those silly trillion year old cases and YOU'RE the criminal one anyways:

Spoiler:

Age
Approximately 495 years

RIGHT TO JAIL

[Koishi Komeiji]

Not but really, is this day just coming down to a 1v1 of Marisa v Kaguya?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Not but really, is this day just coming down to a 1v1 of Marisa v Kaguya?

While Reisen continues to lurk, mind you.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hah, and my other hidden passive is I can kill thread activity at will.

[Koishi Komeiji]

D3:
Kaguya and Yuuka taking up 90% of the posts
Koishi desperately trying to get people to contribute
Everyone else hibernating

The question is if it's noise for the sake of hiding a partner in the weeds or not.

It's driving me up the wall that Reisen keeps promising activity and then not delivering. It reminds me of a VERY old player, a very scummy steak sauce. And their scum game.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Shut up and get in the green haired cheerleader squad car, Yuuka.

Koishi, Dai, Sanae-shroom, we need you. Larva-shroom can be honorary sorta-kinda with us.

[Koishi Komeiji]

If we could Not Have This Conversation, that'd be much apprecaited.

Wait which one?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Ah yeah, it was a one-off joke, wasn't looking to make it a thing that got dwelled on.

Apologies.

[Koishi Komeiji]

If we could Not Have This Conversation, that'd be much apprecaited.

Wait which one?

Thou Shalt Not Meta

I will not meta! I just wink winked...

Stick out your wrists, I'm gonna go get my slapping gloves.

[Koishi Komeiji]

If I can avoid it, anyone can.

Punks.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Repeat after me:

"Everyone in this game is an alt of GIF"

[Koishi Komeiji]

Have you ever seen this "ZUN" and gif in the same room?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Flandre does not seem the type to have an ability that would clear somebody. \:

Wait I thought that was tongue-in-cheek taunting?

[Koishi Komeiji]

If you're ACTUALLY claiming an investigative then put that front and center because if so I'll debate if I wanna flip a coin between you and Aya tonight on the seraph-BG.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yes I am aware that it was said, I thought it was a taunt, not a real ting.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Thankfully she can clear that up for us right now.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I keep forgetting you're a real watcher and not just an investigator of PTs.

My brain is mushy.

Thoughts on Reisen?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Cool it's a plan.

Onwards.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Don't forget, my BG comes with immunity to ALL scum abilities. Not JUST the kill.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hoodless scrub here.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Pick a wagon and pray time.

<48H left

[Koishi Komeiji]

I'm voting Reisen and have asked for you to talk me off that cliff twice, birb.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Tell me what of their day one was "so town"? Given the alignments we now know.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Because what I see is a bunch of 1v1s going down as live slapfests, and a dodge of having to justify a complex read on most of them "in the moment" despite popping in from time to time today.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hah, and my other hidden passive is I can kill thread activity at will.

[Koishi Komeiji]

In a funny way, I could see a second cop that doesn’t function *exactly* the same.

I saw kaguya repost part of tenshis role and it’s a duplicate ability. Marisa and kagerou both claiming disabler etc.

Site was down for me for a bit, idk if it was an everyone thing.

I just don’t think roles showing up twice or in similar ways is a strong basis for a scumread.

Hi I’m reisen.

Tell me this is an appropriate use of time for checking in on the thread in the middle of some pretty major serious 1v1 energy.

[Koishi Komeiji]

>>Is literally voting Reisen
>>Time is running out and have mentioned it several times
>>Reisen still "asks" if they need to claim...

[Koishi Komeiji]

What I WANT is a claim.

[Koishi Komeiji]

And a puppy.

And to feel like this game is anything other than my loss moving at the pace of a snail who has diabetes.

[Koishi Komeiji]

And some more activity.

Yuuka, as an "active player" TM it is your job to hammer should Reisen not reshow before deadline, claim or not.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Deadline: 0 days, 19 hours, 42 minutes

Stalling for no lim is a thing that may be happening. Town has no reason not to have claimed yesterday given where stuff is headed.


This is gonna be a strong pr claim with an attempt to get us to flash wagon elsewhere.

Don't bite. Don't miss a lim.

[Koishi Komeiji]

That just ends with me dead so no thanks.

[Koishi Komeiji]

UNVOTE:

Just to avoid a lol-hammer on replace-in.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Yes, actually. This game drastically needs you (if you're town anyway) to be readable and not a lurksack.

You spot is also holding up massclaim.

[Koishi Komeiji]

So are you claiming to be out of stuff to do, more or less?

[Koishi Komeiji]

I kinda want to vote Sanae.

That's certainly something you can do.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I kinda want to vote Sanae.

Sigh. They're dead and they're town and I'm ignoring that because it's the kind of slip I'd make if I were scum replacing into a game and going for low cunning absolvement.

That said, funnily enough, it's kind of rare for that to actually be the case from personal experience.
But still, no.

I dunno, I think making a joke about the color of your alignment being scary red might be more effective.