NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Powerrox93]

Hello everyone! I'm re-reading this game now. Expect a longer post tomorrow.

[Powerrox93]

Now I've read up this game

Some comments

UNVOTE:
VOTE: C-Worl. You're overreacting so much that I have a very hard seeing you as town

I don't see the Snake-wagon. For me he's a null read ATM

I have a really hard time reading Nobody Special. [Bad joke]He's posting style is so unique that he actually is someone special[/Bad joke]

IGMEOY

kr0b, Kise

[Powerrox93]

What the fuck just happened?

I don't even know how to react to this shit.

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@ Everyone who is town. Is that an acceptable risk? Is it a better idea to mislynch?

After having analyzed the situation on page 21 and forward for the billionth time, I think that we should lynch jindori. Especially his arguments in his latest post are bad ones so I don't see a reason to keep him alive.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jindori

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If this game wasn't confusing enough before page 26, the modkill officially made this the most confusing I've ever played.

And after Jindori was modkilled, my first "clear" thought was to go back to voting c-worl but then came post #682 and it completely changed my mind on him.

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@Chronopie: Why are you even trying to get an unclaim from Reckamonic? It's not possible to unclaim just like that, that would made mafia a complete mayhem.

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@Mod:

I'm V/LA the 8th-9th this month, not just only the 9th

I made it until the 9th to organize things. Same thing.

Edit: Never mind, saw that typo. Thanks for catching it.

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@Chronopie: But still, when replacing in, you have to be prepared for that your ancestor has claimed.

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You're either town-aligned Vig or 3rd party SK. Guess what? I don't feel comfortable leaving either alive.

Vote: Kise

...

Geez, so many juicy scum to choose from. Snake, Kise, Reck. What to do, what to do.

I'm happy with Kise for today

What is your problem with keeping a vig alive? And contradicting yourself in the same post, well, any pro-town reason to do that?

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/home from my V/LA

@Nobody Special: Any reason you ignored my ISO 7 but answered tclawren's ISO 26?

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So....
We just chillin'?

ATM I'm doing it since I still wait for a response from Nobody special

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I actually don't want to lynch Kise.
Why? Because I highly suspect her to be the SK.
...
We lost 3 PR's which is a heavy blow for town. We might have to use the SK in our advantage with this dead PR night.

WHAT THE...

VOTE: ConSpiracy

Why should we trust that the SK is doing a vig's work? SK's is antitown, and you want to keep them alive for the reason to compensate for a lost of town PR's?! Yes the SK can hit mafia/werewolves but have you forgotten that it can hit town as well?! The risks is so high that making a gamble like this isn't worth it.

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@implosion: I'm so freaking tiered of not being able to say my opinion for the reason that someone said the thing I was going to say while I was sleeping!

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@implosion: Since when became it scummy to have bad luck?

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Bulletproof compulsive vig? Only bulletproof vig sound very powerful to me. Need to re-read Raud now.
Would like to have a response from implosion though.

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@Everyone:

Raud has just (essentially) claimed SK. What do we do now? Lynch or keep?

Lynch, since it reduces the # of NK's each night

UNVOTE:

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So...you gunna vote him then?
You say you want to lynch him, then unvote...then

don't

vote to lynch him?

...

Hmm...

1) I was voting for CS
2) I thought he was at L-1 aka I missed quadz unvote

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VOTE: RaudhrGarm
Let's make this

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A moment of silence for the dead...

VOTE: Charlie

Is that the only comment you have on the game?

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What the hell is going on?

QFT

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kise

What the hell are you trying to do with your play?!

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Oh yes, I'm sorry.
Look at these votes all over the place, how messy.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Charlie

Are you ever gonna read up the thread?!

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@Mod:

V/La May 12-15

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T-Bone is flailing so bad right now. If there wasn't a wagon on Chronopie I would vote for him.
VOTE: Chronopie

This post generated only "?" in my head. Self-contradiction within just one post. Really scummy, but Charlie is pretty scummy as well now

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Verbrosity is scummy.
Conciceness is pro town.

I'm sorry but with consistent posts like THIS, I don't understand how anybody can see Charlie as town.

QFT

@Those who think Charlie is town: Would mind showing a case where you explain why Charlie is town?

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Yikes. The more I delay, the more posts piles up and the more reading I'd have to do. Hate to admit it, but I've done little catching up on this game. It certainly is neglected by be. But I firmly believe I can catch up, I just need... more time.

You replaced in ~a month ago, and you still haven't done much reading on this thread?!?!?! How many more month's of time do you need to get caught up with the thread?

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To be fair, I replaced in knowing that I wouldn't read much past the most recent pages, but I also announced that so everyone knew my intentions.

And why did you do that, replacing into a game with no intention of reading the whole thread? A replacements should read the whole thread at least once to prevent something like this to happen

Player A "Hey guys I've replaced into this game"
Player B "Just vote for PLayer C"
Player A "Whatever VOTE PLAYER C"
Mod: "Town was lynched, mafia has won! I'm gonna go buy some champange for them now!"

What is your stance on Charlie/Chrono/Pine?

Is it really that hard to miss what I think of charlie?

Chrone isn't my strongest town read when he was trying to get an unclaim from Reckamonic even after RayFrost claimed

Pine is in the neutral area

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And powerrox, you're creating a completely false situation. I said I read the past several pages worth of a game. This would include several votecounts (unless the mod is bad which DH is not), and several arguments that have already been hashed and rehashed, which give me more than enough to work with and not make a stupid decision like the one you're presenting, ESPECIALLY if it's not LyLo. Honestly, I'm surprised Charlie's bothering to even TRY to catch up on the whole thread.

Why isn't the whole game "several pages worth of a game"?
What's the point of catching up several pages after a V/LA if reading the whole thread after replacing in isn't?
Mastin's wall's makes my eyes bleed, but he's at least reading the whole game, which makes him more likely town then you and Charlie.

So who is in your scum area? And why? (Apart from Charlie off course)

Note: Nothing is in any particullar order
SingerSinger for the same reasons as Charlie
Chrono: He's "comeback" posts 1771/1775 bothers me in a way that's hard to describe but...

Allright, here's the truth: I read up my notes, the ones where I caught up to page 11 and then continued at page 12 only to find that I have no idea what I just wrote. I'm not focused enough to actually "fully catch up" in this game.

So in order to make myself more useful I can either:
1) Follow the newer posts
2) Replace out

I'd like to do option 1 if you guys don't mind. Out of courtesy to the mod, this game has had 9 replacements already and I'd rather not be a statistic.
Above are the raw notes I've been keeping, for record's sake.

... ^is just another reason to not move my vote from Charlie

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UNVOTE:

So many things happening right now, need to look at them further

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Why is powerrex93 still not voting?

Because of what's happening ATM I can't decide what to do.

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The latest posts here's a mess, but I think I'm gonna VOTE: Pine now

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I'm home from my absence now, will be caught up with what I've missed tomorrow

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I don't like T-Bones claim. Joat sound really powerful consider what PR's we've already lost. And that we should have a mafia-cop as well considering we had a seer.

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Conspiracy, T-Bone was really stupid scum and you're going off the word of claimed scum whose objective is to mislead and hurt the town. It's really stupid to assume that I'm scum in light of everything else. If he really did track me, the only person he tracked me to was himself. But whatever, I was signalling this enough yesterday and the mafia probably have it figured out:

I'm the cop.

That's why every other word out of my mouth yesterday was about who was/wasn't mafia, etc. Also, why I was sure T-Bone was scum after not being sure the day before. Full set of investigations:

N1: MrZepher - not guilty
N2: implosion - not guilty
N3: T-Bone - guilty
N4: Reckamonic - no result

My intention was to test the PGO claim, to see if they were legit or not, which would be shown if there were 3 deaths. Reckless and selfish but I figured removing doubt on me by dying and confirming a pgo would help the town, and if they were lying I might as well take the risk and find out. That's why I kept saying I was probably going to die.

Are you a mafia-only cop (Considering that a seer has flipped) or are you a full-scum cop

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/delayed reaction @Gorilla: You investigated Reck? Didn't they claim PGO?

@Mastin: Why did you wait so long with CCing.

Powerrox

, you seem town. What reason could mastin have to suggest the vig pool?

IDK, maybe he wanted a "extra-lynch" vote count, but at this point I find a vig in the set-up higly unlikely

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VOTE: mastin2

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Mainly for the fact that he CC'd the real cop, buy also for unclaiming and then reclaim again

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Sorry for triple post but

@Mod: Prod on tclawren please.

It was 20 pages / 14 Days since hes latest post

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mastin, I will not move my vote for you.

1: You CC'd a real cop
2: You think that it's possible to unclaim and then reclaim again
3: Your constant scream "I'm town" "I'm not scum" etc just screams scum to me
4: I have a hard time seeing town would make this large gambit as you did
5: You seems to be think that "I haven't voted/been suspicious for Power and that's why he shouldn't vote for me". I'm gonna tell you a story why that's not gonna work on me

The Story of Powerrox93's first game on MS, final chapter

The game had come down to a three player LyLo

Powerrox93 was the only one who was confirmed town among the players

So it was he who was going to decide the outcome of the game

So he decided to reread both both of the other players, to make sure he made the right decision

But when he was done, he wasn't sure what he thought of it

One player had been suspicious of him earlier, the other player hadn't, they both look about equally townie

But suddenly he got an idea

What if one of these players are actually trying to overcompensate for towniness?

So he looked at them again, and then he found it plausible that the player who had never been suspicious of him was scum who tried to overcompensate for towniness that way

So he voted for that player

And he hammered the final scum, town won the game and Powerrox93 got a quote from Lateralus22 into hes sig

Fin

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Powerrox, was that our game together?

No, that was newbie 1020 I was talking about

[Powerrox93]

Slaxx replaces tclawren. A big round of applause to him ^^

*Applause*

I've been busy recently, will be caught up with what I've missed after school

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Don't have time to look deeper into the meta mastin's talking about. He uses to much meta-related reasons.

mastin: Your talk about "I wouldn't take this risk as scum", with your other scummy things in mind, screams WIFOMing scum for me

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Slaxx
This is what I remembered from players alive

Reckamonic - PGO
tclawren (now you)- Neighbor
Mastin2 - Cop, later to be changed to Doc

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And from dead player's

RaudhrGarm: Bulletproof compulsiv vig
T-Bone: JOAT
C-Worl: VT
gorilla: Cop
Pine: VT
Kise: Vig

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And mastin, there is one thing I forgot to say earlier

-Aggressive scumhunting.

In one game I was in, one scum superscumhunted in order to get towncred form it. That argument doesn't work at all

P-Edit: Still very sure you're WIFOMing scum mastin

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My eyes are bleeding from this game.

QFT

And all I hear from mastin is this

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Ok mastin, why are you using so much "look at my previous games"-reasons?

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Still workin' on it. (Also a prodvoid. I've been busy. :/)

Do you have much left to do?

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@Mod: V/LA June 17-19

Noted.

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Slaxx has forwarded the deadline to Monday.

As in, if a case isnt up by monday I vote Mastin and rage so obnoxiously for everyone else to until you do it just to shut me up.

My vote will not leave mastin until he's dead anyway...

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Ok mastin, why are you using so much "look at my previous games"-reasons?

Don't forget to answer this one mastin

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Still waiting on Mastin's case.

/lurk

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mastin, can't you just post whatever you have ATM?

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Dang it, hour

and a half

left. Why is it that I seem to be getting less done in more time?!? I should be getting more efficient as I go along, not less! >_<

Just finished 4. On to 5.

It's been over an hour since that post

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Does it really take over 3½ hours to read less then 5 pages, mastin? At that pace, you would be done in over two days time

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mastin, if you haven't posted any of your cases/your project/whatever you're working on within 24 hours, I won't listen to you

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mastin, if you haven't posted any of your cases/your project/whatever you're working on within 24 hours, I won't listen to you

So instead of threatening to vote you just say
LALALALALALA I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN LALALALALALALALA

Does this strike anybody else as odd and/or dumb?

I'm already voting dude

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How about this: At your deadline, Power, I post what I've got--regardless of whether I finish or not--and then you can read it while I do the rest of it should I not be ready in time. (Which'd obviously mean you'd have to hold off from lynching me. )

Anyone object?

This sound like a good dead, that's a bit over 17½ hours for you to work on your material.

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If he really was the doc

1) He wouldn't have CCed the cop
2) After a seer flip in a confirmed 2 faction game

Game, set, and match.

QFT

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I swear on my life, soul, and honor I am actually a Pelican.

I use my beak to type.

Can I put that in my sig/wiki page once the game is over?

Don't know what to thing of mastin latest post. Less then 4 hours until deadline now

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Slaxx, answer please

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*processing mastin's wall ATM*

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Mastin's wall contains lots of rambling, rambling and quite some WIFOM-rambling.

@Cop CC gambit and such:
Did you SRSLY belive that this kind of game would only feature a way to get investigations on werewolves, but not on the mafia? It makes no sense that we cou,d only find who's werewolf but not who's mafia, the game would be so unbalanced if that was the truth, even if the werewolves has more PR's to compensate for that.

How come it's so hard for you guys to believe that a guy who thinks in an ABNORMAL way made an UNUSUAL conclusion?

See above

After all, Cop is the second-most-common scumclaim, right after "Doctor".

Link plz

I had every reason to protect Zepher. He really was my best choice. Everyone else (except for Chronopie who I had forgotten about) was out of the question as being kill options, and I impulsively followed the instinct that Zepher needed to live.

Further explenation on this thing pleaze

Do you really think that I'm a wolf who intentionally no-killed in a One-in-a-million gambit to save my life? Or can you accept for maybe a moment I stopped the kill...and the wolves know I did, and want me dead so they can try again.

Considering what gambits you took earlier I think it's plausible that you could've no-killed

We WILL lose the game if you lynch me.

If you are town (Which I'm now 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% you aren't), we will lose the game because of all your gambiting

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Get power on there, too.

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

mastin lynch > no lynch > any other lynch

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I refuse to change my vote from mastin until he's dead. I would rather no-lynch then lynching someone that isn't mastin

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I refuse to change my vote from mastin until he's dead. I would rather no-lynch then lynching someone that isn't mastin

Still applies now as well

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Tell me, singer, what's the benefit to not lynch mastin right now?

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I don't think mastin would have put in the work he has as scum. He would have fobbed us off with some excuse and/or self-hammered.

Therefore: Mastin is town.

I think mastin would do this much work regardless of alignment because of his personality

@singer: Would a townie really scream "I'm town and not scum" in every other sentence?

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Why would you risk losing a town PR when we have

something to gain from keeping him alive?

Such as more NK's when it's pretty obvious that mastin2 is scum! No thanks!

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I cannot believe we wagoned someone who was V/LA

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And I can't believe that person who was V/LA left their vote on someone the ENTIRE TIME.

And why would that be a problem?

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And singer ignored my question. scumpoints

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@mod:

prod on mastin2 please

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And I can't believe that person who was V/LA left their vote on someone the ENTIRE TIME.

And why would that be a problem?

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MyLo Today

VOTE: No Lynch

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@Reckamonic:

I think mastin stopped the wolf's kill (I can't remember the last time I saw an scum PR that couldn't do his stuff and the factional kill at the same night)

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@redkamonic: Are you gonna follow up

Why did the mafia miss a NK

once everyone has answered?

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@Powerrox: what do you mean by that?

You sounded so eager about getting a response from everyone on why the wolfs NK was missing N5 that it sounded like some kind of follow-up was in the making

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Well if someone had gone "oh yah, I'M a roleblocker and I blocked xyz night 5!" I'd have smacked them very very hard.
and then we'd get a debate! =D

vote: No Lynch

Ok thanks for the explanation

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Since
1) It's LyLo now
2) Imma V/LA soon (Although until Monday that will be limited access)

I'm claiming VT now

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Let's pick the one in the middle of the player-list, Chronopie

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Let's pick the one in the middle of the player-list, Chronopie

Powerrox...why this arbitrary reason to choose Chrono? Why would you not choose the person you think is the scummiest player?

Anyway, I'm a neighbor-ish person. Mind you, not a neighborizor, just a neighbor. What it does will be obvious later.

Go, Reck, go.

Once you've explained your role to 100%

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...and as usually singer had several different morals.

Also, see sig

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I have nooooo idea what you mean by that...

Also, it's just easier if you could announce V/LA's like that in the thread, since sigs aren't the priority reading here.

You wanted me to explain directly but waited wit claiming yourself

And you could also look in the VC's for V/LA's

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Will have internet access for a few hours, then I'll have non until thursday

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Also, also, I asked you to explain something that had nothing to do with your claim, so how can you possibly accuse me of being a hypocrite? Why did you feel the need to threaten me or put a stigma on my claim and what it is? Did you not believe it, were you threatened by what it meant? That it meant one less person you could mislynch today

Because since you didn't wanna claim fully out, I saw no reason explained why I choosed chrono to claim next


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I'm still V/LA until Thursday, but now I

might

be able to post during that time

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id like Con and powerrox to lay down a vote.

But not singer, consider how she reacted earlier to some voting for someone while on a V/LA

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I'm not longer V/LA

Power, the only way you can think singer is town is when dram is his scumbuddy.

Can you explain this part better please

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I'm going to VOTE: Chronopie now

1) Lurking. Lurks to much over the course of the whole game
2) His attempt in ISO 13,14 to get an unclaim from reckamonic is bad, especially considering that reckamonic recently replaced in the game at that point. And the explanation in ISO 28 isn't a good one either
3) Lurking
4) Going back-and-forth of he thoughts about mastin2

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2) The fastest way to catch replacing-scum is to catch them offguard, before they have a chance to check over their predecessor's claim. Like if Ray claimed PGO, and Dram denied PGO, it would have made me more suspicious of him.

Bad

horrible logic is

bad

horrible, especially since most persons read the whole thread when they replace in anyway

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: ConSpiracy

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You should've listened to what imposion said

I mean just look at his avatar he's an obvwerewolf

(I lol'd)

This was a very good game. Great players, good design, good flavor, as always when DemonHybrid is the mod. And we won despite losing jindori D1

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My notes. I had this huge thing typed out and then I lost it, so I'm abridging this one:

1. Jindori's modkill: It's one thing to play towards your wincon by outing your role. It's another thing to out your buddy's role to the EXACT NAME out of spite. I think that there was a point where I was fearful for what he was going to do next, so I modkilled him for doing that without Power's permission. He needs to play towards his win condition next time when he has more experience, because there's a fine line between injecting WIFOM and outing buddy roles to the exact name. I was saddened by this and I felt bad that I was essentially crippling the wolves' chances of winning.

3. mastin's play: There are people that were calling for his modkill. It's like you guys have never seen failed bussing and a bad fakeclaim before. Nothing of his play was modkill worthy; everything he did was for his faction, even if it was failed play. He even nearly had town convinced and I applaud his effort.

4. Balance: I'd like thoughts on it. I thought it was wonderfully balanced (watcher/roleblocker is nearly as balanced as tracker/doctor).

1: I would say no regardless

3: YOU SAY WHAAAT!?! What's wrong with wallposting and fakeclaim gambiting?!
4: I think it was balanced. Mod modkills is bad for that.

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*But modkills

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Powerrox made a really good wolf-buddy. I wouldn't hesitate to play alongside him again.

Same here, but a tip for the future is to try to lurk a little less.

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Question: Would you have shot me on the last night, had we not mislynched?

If I were the last man standing, probably not

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Mortal Kombat Mafia, for those that liked my modding, Mortal Kombat, and especially those who like both. I'm still taking pre-ins, just as an aside.

The voting mechanic doesn't sound like a god one IMO. But that's just me, to each his own

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Mortal Kombat Mafia, for those that liked my modding, Mortal Kombat, and especially those who like both. I'm still taking pre-ins, just as an aside.

The voting mechanic doesn't sound like a god one IMO. But that's just me, to each his own

I have my reasons. I expect it to be quite exciting during Mortal Kombat; more than many might think.

I'll stand over this.
BTW, didn't you say somewhere that you had a favorite fiction character mafia game?

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Geez guys, we all have bad games.

QFT, I've played bad in ~half of the games I've played on MS

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And mod, I'm curious, what made you add a Vengeful Townie in the game

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/delayed reaction

... not someone newer like Powerrox93.

I have now played online mafia for about a year (Started offsite), and this is my 14 finished game (Offsite + MS), and you call me new

And mod, I'm curious, what made you add a Vengeful Townie in the game

I thought that the town was lacking on physical stopping power. Other than a Jailkeeper, there were informational roles. So I wanted some sort of scum trap, especially near endgame, as a kicker.

Ok, when you say it town has almost to many investigation roles

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Thanks mastin, now I got proof that scum superscumhunt even in a multi-scum group game