Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

shos · Thu May 24, 2012 1:39 am

Yosarian2 - "Françoise Dupont" - Some kind of French police inspector.
Hiraki - "Jacqueline Champollion" - Blonde and daughter of the director.
charter - "La Joconde" - aka the mona lisa.
shos - "Le Artefact".
Vi - "the Louvre's mummy".
Parama - "Polyphème Desroches"

Katsuki-
Zar-
Nuwen-
Kanye-
furcolow-

I'd especially like to see Katsuki and Nuwen.
another reminder I bumped into:

In post 1359, Katsuki wrote:Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

In post 1361, shos wrote:
In post 1359, Katsuki wrote:Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

In post 1360, charter wrote:Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

In post 1363, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1361, shos wrote:
In post 1359, Katsuki wrote:Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

In post 1360, charter wrote:Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

You are answering this. I will not relent on this matter.

Unvote, Vote: Shos

shos · Thu May 24, 2012 4:48 am

In post 1403, Hiraki wrote:
shos wrote:this means that mod never used the word 'tricolor'. HIRAKI IS LYING.
I'd be dumbtelling to the
max
here.

Possible? Yes.

Would I stoop down there?

no

Katsuki wrote:You are answering this. I will not relent on this matter.
No, and who did you replace again?

you had no idea that the mod will post that. you had no idea that anyone will ask the mod about the color.

how can you explain that then? are you saying that the mod DID include the word 'triicolor' in your so called 'vision' despite what he said in that edit?

shos · Thu May 24, 2012 5:00 am

???????????????

I don't understand. you recieved a vision from thin air, or did it come as a message from the mod..?

shos · Thu May 24, 2012 5:08 am

-_-;;;;

do you think it is someone else who has written the vision then?

shos · Thu May 24, 2012 11:07 am

In post 1410, Yosarian2 wrote:

In post 1205, springlullaby wrote:
I shan't answer Hiraki's question as I shall neither deny nor confirm that the word 'tricolour' is part of my vocabulary.

How do you get from the mod saying "I will neither confirm or deny" to a "the mod never used the word"? The mod isn't answering the question, because she doesn't want to confirm Hiraki's role.

the mod EDITED his post for that.
the question he wasa asked is:

In post 1201, Hiraki wrote:

Mod: If a flag is tricolored, does white count as a color for the purposes of this game?

why would the mod change

I shan't answer Hiraki's question.

to

I shan't answer Hiraki's question as I shall neither deny nor confirm that the word 'tricolour' is part of my vocabulary.

????
he was not asked that. his answer was sufficient. why the addition? and AFTER we moved on?

Hiraki wrote:
the mod's vocabulary is not my vision's vocabulary

whaaat

+1

In post 1411, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1409, shos wrote:-_-;;;;

do you think it is someone else who has written the vision then?
No, I think the mod is keeping split persoanlities

as in "the mod's character" as in the Mod itself as he/she is conducting the game has an extremely limited amount of flavor resources

mechanics-wise, it know's everything. Yknow what, we'll label this 'side' of the mod as "The Host"

Because Hosts conduct everything and the mod is doing just that

Then, the Mod has a different--completely different side

this the flavour side

We'll just call this the ghost of whoever died N1(too lazy to look)

this side has intense flavor vocab, but nothing mechanical and only exists in PMs about flavor

do you understand what I'm trying to get across?

No.

shos · Thu May 24, 2012 1:29 pm

In post 1411, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1409, shos wrote:-_-;;;;

do you think it is someone else who has written the vision then?
No, I think the mod is keeping split persoanlities

as in "the mod's character" as in the Mod itself as he/she is conducting the game has an extremely limited amount of flavor resources

mechanics-wise, it know's everything. Yknow what, we'll label this 'side' of the mod as "The Host"

Because Hosts conduct everything and the mod is doing just that

Then, the Mod has a different--completely different side

this the flavour side

We'll just call this the ghost of whoever died N1(too lazy to look)

this side has intense flavor vocab, but nothing mechanical and only exists in PMs about flavor

do you understand what I'm trying to get across?

if it wasn't clear, i want you to explain again~

shos · Fri May 25, 2012 5:16 am

Yosarian2 - "Françoise Dupont" - Some kind of French police inspector.
Hiraki - "Jacqueline Champollion" - Blonde and daughter of the director.
charter - "La Joconde" - aka the mona lisa.
shos - "Le Artefact".
Vi - "the Louvre's mummy".
Parama - "Polyphème Desroches"
Katsuki- "Antinous Mondragone"

Zar-
Nuwen-
Kanye-
furcolow-

~~~~

shos · Fri May 25, 2012 7:45 am

In post 1423, Parama wrote:
In post 1422, Zar wrote:So Parama's the guy mentioned in the opening scene?

wait really

oh neato

if parama is not lying, does that clear him?

shos · Fri May 25, 2012 3:10 pm

In post 1430, Furcolow wrote:
In post 1428, Zar wrote:Nuwen, Kanye & Furc are the ones missing with the name claim?

I'm focusing on another game right now, that is in LYLO, but I can claim early if you want
I saw my name on the end of the list someone had, that is the only reason I've waited

we are talking about a FLAVOUR name claim.

shos · Sat May 26, 2012 8:26 am

In post 1436, charter wrote:post

In post 1438, Katsuki wrote:.

seriously guys. This game isn't fun with posts like that, please have some content ><

Yosarian, have you understood my case on Hiraki? whaddya think about it?

shos · Sat May 26, 2012 5:25 pm

what makes you disregard my case on Hiraki?

Kanye, just give your name, there's no point in stalling more.
Also, schoolgirl is quite a something that can ruin statues and stuff in schooltrips.

shos · Sun May 27, 2012 4:00 am

why is it unlikely? and what flavor is my role based on? my case on hiraki has almost no relation to flavor at all. only the mod-edit part is related there.

shos · Mon May 28, 2012 7:15 am

VOTE: Nuwen

leading Hiraki.

shos · Mon May 28, 2012 12:15 pm

In post 1450, springlullaby wrote:
Day 2 votecount 9
(0) Katsuki:

(0) kanyeknowsbest:

(0) Yosarian2:

(0) Parama :

(0) Vi:

(0) Zar:

(3) Hiraki :
Parama, Katsuki, shos,

(2) Nuwen :
Vi, charter,

(2) shos:
kanyeknowsbest, Furcolow,

(1) charter:
Hiraki,

(1) Furcolow:
Yosarian2,

(2) Not voting :
Zar, Nuwen

With 11 players, 6 votes are required to lynch.

since this game looks like a lynch is just not going to happen, can we at least get some info and thoughts from our not-voting players, Zar and Nuwenscum?

shos · Mon May 28, 2012 12:58 pm

lol I'm sorry, my bad. did not remember - and posted after 2 am again. Nuwen should give input tho, as one of the prime suspects.

also, why am I being voted? both kanye and furc did not say anything about me when they voted. back to RVS?

shos · Mon May 28, 2012 8:26 pm

Yos, you keep ignoring my case on Hiraki with the basis of 'his vision' doesn't make sense as scum.

for the tenth time, his vision did not give town any valuable info. it happened in a completely random time in the game, was very controversial with that tricolor thing & the mod's edit. A vision like that is so easily made up, especially when it doesn't actually say anything. the 'confirmation' about your claim - was it even questioned? was it needed? did it help anyone?

shos · Tue May 29, 2012 12:31 am

why is it so 'out of the blue'? he was being attacked with very specific accusations. note that he was not voted yet; so he had no reason to claim a role. instead he invented some random shit that really holds no water. his claim has nothing to do with his role; therefore it doesn't limit him about anything. it *looks* like it confirms info or stuff, but in fact, what did he say? he finds a medallion - mod already said a medallion was found in the crimescene. the murderer has had that medallion earlier? who gives a shit. a tricolor flag? doesn't help us at all; with the extra about white being a color or not - completely invented it. he said it himself. and then what - a random useless sentence.

shos · Tue May 29, 2012 11:16 am

Parama's playstyle is just like that, there really is nothing scummy there, it's just bad.

I'd like to comment on Yos tho:
hiraki's last part of the vision tells us nothing. the other parts the same, except for, possibly, the 'tricolor flag'. you think that he did not fake that because he knew that you were french?? well...so you think that the 'tricolor' part WAS a part of the message. to that I say: firstly note the fact that the mod actually EDITED his post about hiraki's question to add that 'tricolor' may or may not be a part of hsi dictionary; secondly, how would you explain the fact that Hiraki specifically claimed that his vision told him that 'white is not a color bitches', and then a while later he forfeited that part of the vision, saying that was his opinion?

shos · Tue May 29, 2012 12:06 pm

In post 1505, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 1502, shos wrote: you think that he did not fake that because he knew that you were french??

But he didn't know I was French; I hadn't claimed that yet. He also didn't seem to know that the tricolor is the name of the French flag, and I doubt he's that good of an actor.

to that I say: firstly note the fact that the mod actually EDITED his post about hiraki's question to add that 'tricolor' may or may not be a part of hsi dictionary

Right. You thought the mod's post was the mod denying using Tricolor, which it wasn't, so the mod intentionally went back and edited her post to make absolutely clear that that was not what she meant. You do realize that that undermines your entire point here, right?

; secondly, how would you explain the fact that Hiraki specifically claimed that his vision told him that 'white is not a color bitches', and then a while later he forfeited that part of the vision, saying that was his opinion?

Uh, no, he never said that. It seemed pretty clear in his initial post that that was just a joke on his part.

the mod edited his post BEFORE I used it at all. that's A. B would be probably something like, in what possible way can 'white is not a color bitchez' be a joke? and yes he did say that. unlike him I'm not making stuff up and regretting them later(he did that twice even without this one).

anyways, in light of the softclaim here, I'll be back to my original and

UNVOTE; VOTE: Hiraki

this is not a lynch if I count correctly, but is L-1.

shos · Tue May 29, 2012 12:07 pm

yup. and now we wait for Charter to come and hammer. he thought Hiraki was scum as well earlier~

Hiraki, if you get here before him, i suppose you should claim.

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 4:47 am

what the fuck is going on here

Parama fakeclaimed - STUPID STUPID STUPID, why would you out town PRs, dammit ><

In post 1541, charter wrote:Nuwen, Hiraki, and one of furc/katsuki

that is the scumteam, I'll vote whichever has the most votes.

I <3 Charter. 100% agreed

Furc's say on Zar is probably a no-daytalk proof as someone said above.

furc, if you're town, why did you choose to aim Zar? and why on earth would you claim for the both of you? do townies here know at all what mafia is?

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 9:08 am

yup, nobody hammer till he answers why he targeted Zar, supposedly.

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 9:47 am

that is a very convincing quote, I missed the point till you made me reread it.
should I give the hammer now? or anyone has anything else to say before day ends?

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 10:48 am

ima go to sleep. if by morning( should be 10 hours from now or so ) nobody asks me not to hammer, I will.

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 11:17 am

eh fuck this. I reread the last two pages, and I'm pretty sure Kats won't have something important to say(

prod? btw?

).

so,

VOTE: Furcolow
this should be the hammer.

let's give you stuff to think about tonight: Nuwen was the one who pprovided the quote with the scumslip.

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 8:48 pm

have i not hammered?...
anyway - Nuwenn helped us lynch scum. Hiraki probably bussed iin light of that nuwen post.

and a 'fuck gg' post probably means he is scum, cuz a dead townie would post his thoughts and info before night starts. anyway - if I only got L-1, then someone hammer him~ going to work.

shos · Wed May 30, 2012 11:13 pm

Riiiight... of course HIRAKI is the one who unvoted...

so I don't get it, is kats replacing out.?

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:58 am

due to the furcolow sudden wagon, I think I'd clear Yos; and that wagon wouldn't have gone through without that quote by nuwen, so I tend to let go of that one as a start. Vi does hav a point tho - although in day 1 me being bulletproof might have removed 2 kills? anyway - Hiraki isn't dead yet too of course.

I'd be happy with a Hiraki lynch once more.

VOTE: Hiraki

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:35 am

Good. so we've got Charter cleared, Zar cleared. it's 5 tolynch; we have left:
Shos
Hiraki
Vi
Yosarian2
Nuwen
Katsuki

imo, Yos and Nuwen are left alone at the mo; so Hiraki and Katsuki fit, as I thuoght yesterday.

anyway, I've been thinking, and since Parama's nameclaim seemed correct and we definitely could rule him out with the plot - I'm gonna insist that Nuwen will nameclaim already.

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:07 am

oh that's another issue. Magua; reads, thoughts, etc, quick!

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:12 am

well to me that takes out one of the 'hiraki is town' ideas. it's not HIS role.

the first and the last I'm not sure what they are, but the second is probably about me. I am Le Artefact, ancient of course, and well I was able to send Hiraki the message day 1, so it might be the entering consciences. I have no idea what is it with the resonant/low pitch, the origins, or the time.

These visions are probably tells of three roles in the game then. can this help us at all?

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:00 am

that makes sense, no wickedness=not mafia, no righteousness=not town. But what's a bright light that can't be avoided?

Mod: can we have a modcount please?

pedit: let's give google a try. one sec.

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:02 am

also on the same note - what do "night guard" and "town scientific expert" mean as roles? is a nightuard a doc?

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:04 am

what Vi posted is right, it indeed means

Ma! Ma Ma! I saw him ... Mama! In the museum mama! Ma!

in vietnamese. let's now see about the pic. looks similar to arabic.

shos · Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:42 pm

In post 1628, Zar wrote:I've been doing some research on the scripture in the day scene.

It looks like it's written in demotic, which ties to the Rosetta Stone and ties to Jean-François Champollion.

How did you figure it out? what does it say? what is the Rosetta Stone and how does it link to JFC?

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:53 am

uhh day 1 somewhen, I can check, why?
is demotic the same as ancient egyptian?

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:55 am

it has been delievered around May 05, in the afternoon.

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:35 am

In post 1638, Zar wrote:
In post 1636, shos wrote:it has been delievered around May 05, in the afternoon.

so it's a day ability.

did you send out any other messages during d2?

I do not want to claim my role. You guys know that I was able to send a message in the day during day 1, but that's it. may be a 1-shot, may be an odd-day, may be every day once, may be a set amount of messages, etc etc. Nobody claimed that I messaged him in day 2, right?

Zar wrote:also, yes, demotic is an ancient egyptian form of writing.

I showed that picture to an arab friend of mine and he said it wasn't arab, nor mirrored or anything, and that itlooks like Demotic. so you're probabyl right.

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:19 pm

I am from Israel, why? it is now 2:18 am.

I count Charter as conftown too, if I hadn't said that before. How comes we don't have a single Hiraki post since the start of the day?

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:26 pm

In post 1589, springlullaby wrote:

The word at the buttom spells 'mommi'.

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:38 pm

I cannot translate the rest. but Vi, I believe I'm going to ISO you tomorrow.

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:03 pm

that thing on the wall was probably written by the killer, imo. it looks like a message of some kind with the signature of 'mommi'. so that's why it seems like a threat. no way a good guy wrote that on the wall.

about what is this (@vi), well, it is an artifact? what do you mean artistically speaking?

shos · Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:10 pm

aight, just for my own future reference:
http://s14.postimage.org/ut0w4nlzl/crime_scene_2.gif
http://www.greatarchaeology.com/images/demotic_text.jpg
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22599/22 ... s/026b.png
http://www.magtudin.org/Mystery%20of%20 ... age002.jpg
http://www.caitloon.com/demotic_unicons.gif

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:16 am

my role is an artifact, what the hell do you want me to say more than that? the story of where it comes from, how old is it, what it's made of? I don't know these things, and even if I did, how would that be relevant in any way to make you push so hard on it?

I'm continuing my flavor research.
anyone with any ideas why baal peor is related?

another possibly helpful link:
http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/pubs/catalog/cdd/

if anyone has time of course.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:37 am

I'll go with an SK on Yos, if I have to choose.
either way, that post above me here really makes me stomp on all the nuwen-scum idea I've had yesterday. this flavor research, along with the quote incriminating furc, I'm putting you on my conftown list.

Vi, you said you're the louvre's mummy. at first I thought as in 'mother'; since in hebrew a housemum/housedad is something (literally) that means something like Janitor-who-owns-the-place. then Nuwen comes with the combination of that film, Baal Peor, and Martin all together; combined with the fact that I deciphered mommi or something alike in the egyptian inscription, I'd be willing to vote you only based by the flavor.

I did not quite participate in the discussion lately(@magua) because it looked like it is progressing somewhere and it was an interesting thing to watch. I too don't quite understand the Yosscumvig theory by Vi, and him being an SK works for me; that's why he did not say he shot anyone tonight. my guess is that it is one mafia kill and one SK kill, that's it. day 1 Yos killed Elmo, and Hiraki shot me being bulletproof.

so my theory is Hiraki and Vi are the last scums, and Yos is an SK.

Unvote; Vote: Vi

(L-2)

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:39 am

In post 1669, Zar wrote:I followed Furcolow in N1, but the result said my action failed.

I asked the mod what the result would be in case a player did not move during the night, she responded that in such case I would be told my target did not go anywhere.

missed this.

Furcolow was a charmer; what is that role? is it possible that it is negating any night actions?
if it isn't, then we probably do have a JK.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:03 am

In post 1672, Hiraki wrote:Can I have the name claim list again? I think we can get rid of some town being scum.

I'll get that for you in a minute, can you respond to the last 3 pages in any better way meanwhile?

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:14 am

Yosarian2 - "Françoise Dupont" - Some kind of French police inspector.
Hiraki - "Jacqueline Champollion" - Blonde and daughter of the director.
charter - "La Joconde" - aka the mona lisa.
shos - "Le Artefact".
Vi - "the Louvre's mummy".

Parama - "Polyphème Desroches"

- town night guard.
Magua - "Antinous Mondragone".
Zar- "The Broken Jug" - a detective.
Nuwen- "Astrid" - a school girl/fieldtripper.

Kanye- "Williard Winckelmann"

- town scientific expert.

furcolow- "The Portrait of Madame Récamier"

- mafia charmer.

UberNinja- "A Statuette of Pazuzu"

- a town forensic investigator.
Elmo TeH AzN- "Endymion in Diane and Endymion by Jean-Jacques Pradier" [/s]- a town dreamer.

correct me if I got anything wrong.

[Deleted duplicate post] - spring

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:14 am

In post 1674, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1673, shos wrote:
In post 1672, Hiraki wrote:Can I have the name claim list again? I think we can get rid of some town being scum.

I'll get that for you in a minute, can you respond to the last 3 pages in any better way meanwhile?
I will later, but I'm in a brainstorming moment that might show obvscum.

gogogo then.

eh mod, it posted twice, remove one..

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:14 am

In post 1681, Hiraki wrote:Hmm.

As much as I'd like to comment on the last three pages

my mind is stuck on trying to find relations with names and their roles

trying to see if there's any relation between PRs and names, or anything of that sort

I don't want a massclaim, to note, but I'm going to keep thinking about this and will comment further later, hopefully with more game-content.

are you for realz????? *inb4hirakiflipsscum*

In post 1679, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 1670, shos wrote:and him being an SK works for me; that's why he did not say he shot anyone tonight.

Did you miss my claim at the end of the day yesterday?

The way my role is set up, I lose my vig ability (get suspended from the police force is the flavor) if I shoot a townie. I did, so I could not kill anyone last night, and I can't kill anyone for the rest of the game. I'm effectively vanilla now, which is why I was trying to draw the scum kill yesterday by claiming vig right a the start of the day.

If anyone tracked or watched me or whatever, or if they do any point from now until the end of the game, they can confirm that I did not and will not go anywhere.

if you are indeed telling the truth, than having 2 kills tonight makes the game alittle too much killful the way I see it. if you are indeed telling the truth, then thsi game could have had 2 deaths on night 1, and 2 deaths on night 2, getting us to lylo in 2 nights?? I don't think that's normal.

I got my eye on you; I'll lynch Vi and Hiraki first. I don't care much which one; in fact I'll prefer hiraki, since we might be able to decipher that demotic code and get more info on mummy, but really, since Vi is now more likely to get lynched, so be it. I'm convinced. I might be wrong, but the way I see it, game is over.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:32 am

yes I got that info already, but you missed something.
if there's a SK+mafia+1shotvig, then coming up day 2 there could be FOUR people dead. and with 9 players left, 3 scums, that is mylo. there's no frekin way that is the case, mylo after 1 night. therefore I think that is impossible. having just a 1-shot vig with mafia is all good and fine, but then where did the second nightkill come from?? that's why I think sk+mafia could be the setup. worst case for us is 3 dead at day 2, 3 more, and then day 3 is lylo. that is still bad as I said, but that's better than the other options.

the best option imo is that you are an SK, and the scumteam is only 2 people. however, I still have both Vi and Hiraki as suspects, so I will not coontinue speculating. I'll lynch and when we know more, we'll see.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:41 am

I am not too experienced and I do not consider that such a good setup, even if it was popular. and as I said, 2 mafia and an SK is an option, but that still makes you an SK

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:15 am

everyone go ISO furcolow starting from ISO #63.
then read from page 62 till the lynch.

revoting Hiraki here, in the light of the lynch scumflip we've had.
Vi will be dealt with tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Vi
VOTE: Hiraki.

also Yos is not scum in any way. could be SK, could be town vig a he claims.
Charter is town. Zar is town.
Nuwen is some combination of null-leaning-town and town-leaning-null.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:56 am

yeah..but you get the point...either way - he is not the first one to be lynched, because he has the most chances of being actually town I think. the option of two vigs - one odd and one even, or something like that, or one 1-shot-odd and one 1-shot-even or something...I guess that it exists..

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:37 am

why?
he's dead and town anyway.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:36 am

he did; he was the L-1 vote I think, but then he just unvoted because...well no reason stated of course.

Hiraki, why did you unvote on D2?

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:04 pm

..and here comes another scumslip by Hiraki. yay me?

and @ VI:
you wrote,
"(1) My Night action was actually circumvented last Night. Not that you'd know that, but it means I wouldn't be writing anything on the walls - as I said earlier."

and I want elaboration here. what are you talking about?

~~~
about my role:
I look like a rock, around the dimensions of a hand.
Nobody seems to be sure about where I came from, but the scientists are currently running tests to make sure what material I am made of.
I am not an item in the louvre

yet

, I am sitting in the dead director of the museum's office in a locked box, waiting till they choose/set up my place to be placed.
In certain times of the month I may get charged all of a sudden.

in other words this really doesn't give any information. except I may be having a period, lol.

shos · Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:10 pm

^^ that might also just be a scumslip, you know. just might.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:14 am

oh look another 'honest' mistake from Hiraki!
man, sometime I should just go and ISO you and see all those places where you said something and then took it back. I think that's like number 5 or something.

Yos, a magna wagon won't start just like a nuwen wagon won't start. it's sort of a Vi vs Hiraki I think, and I'm more than happy if this is the case. either way, moar votes on Hiraki.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:06 am

well it might, but in the light of the fact that nuwen was literally the only reason I voted furcolow and I'm inclined to think that was not a bus, I'd consider him nulltownnull or something in that region. I am much more confident against hiraki; he isn't even defending himself, and it doesn't even look like there's anyone here who disagrees with me.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:23 am

uh mod, can you use the time thingie on every votecount from now on? I mean the countdown tags? sorry and thanks ><

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:37 am

lol @ your last line Vi,
I have to say that I think you're missing the point. Yos was assuming that there were three scums; and having a 1v1 is having two people that are suspects to be scum - not two towns necessarily. what he says is that instead of gambling in the nuwen/whoeveryouwant couple, you just look for the THIRD scum first, who is Hiraki. then tomorrow with more info we can choose between the 1v1.
point is that this is not discreditting, it's more of postponing.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:05 pm

I suspected Magua's slot earlier this game too; remind me why he's scum?
and why you don't think hiraki is? more importantly?

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:27 pm

the defending of parama doesn't add any good stuff to him imo; scum can't only defend their buddies.
the attack on furc -

Spoiler: lots of quotes

looks like scummy to me.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:35 pm

also, look at page 57 and previous. that page alone holds enough to see that Hiraki is scum, but either way - the largest wagon on Hiraki was 3 people, in which case parama had no votes at all. there was only once where Nuwen had 4, and hiraki and parama 2 each, maybe you mean that.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:50 pm

In post 1733, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 1731, shos wrote:the defending of parama doesn't add any good stuff to him imo; scum can't only defend their buddies.

Yeah; but defending a town in a situation where that guy is a viable counter-wagon to you with deadline approaching seems like a town-tell to me.

can you link me to a place where parama was a counterwagon to hiraki?

In post 1734, charter wrote:post

you really need to do more than that, come on, you're a good townie

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:51 pm

Of the remaining players, Hiraki doesn't look that bad.
Of the remaining players, Nuwen, charter, and shos, in ascending order of culpability.

where did that come from?
I'd add an extra note that Hiraki was not on the furcolow lynch beause he UNVOTED there.

shos · Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:00 pm

Furc's votes throughthe whole game.

In post 20, Furcolow wrote:
vote: vi

In post 43, Furcolow wrote:
vote: shos

In post 114, Furcolow wrote:
vote: uberninja

In post 197, Furcolow wrote:

vote: shos

In post 312, Furcolow wrote:
vote: quilford

In post 594, Furcolow wrote:
vote: nuwen

In post 615, Furcolow wrote:
vote: vi

In post 696, Furcolow wrote:
vote: katsuki

In post 712, Furcolow wrote:
vote: elmo

In post 713, Furcolow wrote:
vote: zar

In post 769, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Vi

In post 911, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Yos

In post 1016, Furcolow wrote:
vote: zar

In post 1107, Furcolow wrote:
vote: UberNinja

In post 1154, Furcolow wrote:

vote: yos

In post 1194, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Nuwen

In post 1278, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Zar

In post 1306, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Charter

In post 1340, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Katsuki

In post 1416, Furcolow wrote:
vote: shos

In post 1537, Furcolow wrote:
vote: Yos

In post 1576, Furcolow wrote:fuck
gg

LOTS of hiraki votes here eh?

shos · Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:45 am

Vi, what did you think about the case I gave the start of D2 about Hiraki? with the continuous flaling and 'oops'es, and with the latest addition of Furc's votes through the game, what is your opinion?

in other words, is there any reason at all not to vote Hiraki?

shos · Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:53 am

Also last night I thought of something to negate the 'why would he tell us about the vision' thing that I heard in day 2.
On day 1, I messaged him, and he got the 'message' from the mod. then he was shouted at for not telling the town about it. then, he got the vision - maybe he thought it came from a player as well(maybe it does, who knows), and therefore he told the town about it, so as not to make the same mistake twice..

shos · Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:27 am

I am inclined to think of a Hiraki-Vi- team, with an even-night vig or something alike.

also Zar, in the wiki link of the movie you linked to, there's this quote:
When Belphegor proves more than a match for the Louvre's security forces, renowned detective Verlac (Michel Serrault) is brought out of retirement to find out why the museum's Egyptian collection has been shrinking.

Does your role pm state that you are renowned? because if it does, then I'd think that this game is inspired by the movie's plot.
we have police inspector/vig, detective, forensic investogator, night guard, who are all the 'louvres security forces'; town scientific expert who investigates the mummy; charter is the mona lisa...dunno, might really be a coincidence but the bad guy in the movie is Lisa..

dunno. anyone seen that movie? should I download? XD

ninja'd by nuwen(yes I know long time difference I am speaking on MSn and on the phone and this post takes me like an hour hehe).

I agree well, hiraki is scum for sure~

shos · Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:13 am

why claim indeed. next I think you should indeed cop Nuwen. but Vi, you have't aswered me why not lynch hiraki

shos · Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:52 pm

I'll assume that the site search is what you mean for my list of votes of furc..? *isn't sure what you mean*

Ignoring your intuition is something that probably has to be done in mafia at times. My intuition told me that you were town almost the entire game, and in the light of last findings I started questioning that. I'm more than sure about Hiraki tho, and I completely turned about nuwen. further thinking will be done after hiraki is lynched, at least that is my plan.

shos · Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:26 pm

I wonder what Hiraki's role is going to be claimed.

iss this what you mean?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts
he posted in other games and ignored this one where he's being lynched?

he's just been lynched and flipped scum here too, for reference maybe:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2125

shos · Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:05 am

I think, let's give Hiraki some time to fakeclaim or something, at least see what info he can try to provide with his last posts, and then we hammer.

shos · Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:53 am

Hiraki posted in 4 different topics just today.
should we lynch him before asking for a claim/waiting for a prod? =\

shos · Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:54 pm

In post 1776, Vi wrote:@Nuwen being passive: Now that a game that both me AND Yos were involved with is over, etc.

what does that mean?

could it be that hiraki is just stalling until a fakecopclaim or something, so that we'll be nearer to deadline or something?

shos · Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:14 am

I'm not buying a tiny bit of what you say. and of course you'll jump right there out of the blue AFTER you were hammered. sure.

shos · Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:12 pm

lol, I'd say prod magua, but once the mod comes it's a scene.. mod, come on!

shos · Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:16 am

if you are town, the please share all the info, thoughts and analysis you can before mod locks the topic

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:15 am

a restorer does sound like a doc. I wonder if there's any meaning to the fact that he was 'taken into custody' instead o dying.

flavor doesn't look of any help in my eyes.

The night ended early. This makes me think that the mafia team consisted of only 2 members, so now that Furc is dead, once the lone mafia sent the kill, the night ended. 10+1+2 setup works for you guys? this would also explain the double kill last night.

since nobody died..is there anyone who has any valuable information that wins us the game?

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:16 am

also, what's the deal with the librarian pic???

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:21 am

http://www.c2rmf.fr/pages/page_id18568_u1l2.htm
that is indeed the louvre's library.

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:41 am

In post 1164, Hiraki wrote:
The murderer had this medallion before, as he dropped it after he committed the murder. A vision of a tricolor flag(white isn't a color bitches) And finally, a man cutting his cape and muttering the word Martin.

These visions then end, oddly. I am left to ponder on them.

That medallion seems to be called 'medaille saint martin'.

http://www.decobb.com/refprod-24769-art ... ubrique=11

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:52 am

Nuwen, supposing PRs don't have ny valuable info, what do youthink?

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:13 am

what makes you think there's a rolecop?

isn't that a mafia role?

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:43 am

well I did not claim full BP, so at least one might have shot me. it's always kinda wifom - even if I did block another one, am I 2-shot? or full? or what etc.

I support a magua lynch a tad, but I'm debating with myself over stuff, so we'll see.

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:23 pm

Hmm. How about a massclaim of flavor pics? this would be interesting to see, and there is no rule forbidding it

ninja'd: wtf?

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:25 pm

lol, is that what it means that I might get charged? possibly an random immunity to night actions?

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:07 pm

Vi, huh?

I need to reread some stuff with hiraki and the claims, but so far I don't see anything wrong.?

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:35 pm

In post 1786, Hiraki wrote:Vi N1
you N2

so Vi was protected N1, so that means he blocked the kill night 1 on Vi, so that makes Vi conftown, supposedly, so why did scum let him live through this night. that's good thinking, but there's also the option that *I* was shot N1. so that is one mistake on Nuwen's end indeed.

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:15 pm

so are you proposing a massclaim?

also about the martinpart - I'm not sure how this is related in any way. as I said, with google image search I found that the medallion is named after St. Martin or something like that.

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:15 pm

couldn't there be some other way for people to die? look here:

UberNinja, A Statuette of Pazuzu, a town forensic investigator - was destroyed by the authorities on Day 1.
Quilford Elmo TeH AzN, Endymion in Diane and Endymion by Jean-Jacques Pradier, a town dreamer - was reduced to pieces on Night 1.
Furcolow, The Portrait of Madame Récamier by Jacques Louis David, a mafia charmer - was destroyed by the authorities on Day 2.
kanyeknowbest, Williard Winckelmann, a town scientific expert - was killed on Night 2.
Parama, Polyphème Desroches, a town night guard - was killed on Night 2.
Hiraki, Jacqueline Champollion, a town art restorer - was taken into preventive custody on Day 3.

(taken from page 1)
note how both UN and Furcolow were destroyed by the authority - when lynched; Yos's kill was 'reduced to pieces', and the two dead guys of night 2 were both KILLED.

could it be that mafia can kill only on even nights, and then they have 2 kills? cuz it'll fit: N1 hey don't kill, and yos kills; N2 they kill 2; N3 they don't kill. which....if correct...puts us in mylo.

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:24 pm

eh. that makes more sense, lol.

then I think I'll support a massclaim now. we're 7, so if there actually is a SK here, we *might* be in mylo anyway.

shos · Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:47 pm

I want to see Nuwen's reaction to this.

I have to say that I *do* understand what nuwens point was, but Vi's gotten it nicely. What is your post restriction, btw?
I don't think that that mysterious power is related to me this time.

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:19 am

aight, I'll sheep for now. besides I've already claimed so etc.

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:16 am

hmmmmmmmm. can you tell me what EXACTLY did the hebrew note say? I am a hebrew speaker, let's see what we can see from it. here's the hebrew alphabet, if you want to copy-paste letter by letter: אבגדהוזחטיכלמנסעפצקרשתךףץםן

I believe this claim. but before I go running to shoot Vi,

I want to see more info from CHARTER now. give as much FLAVOR info as you can, and obviously, the claim, officially.

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:15 am

all claims look so good

could it possibly be charter?

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:07 am

aight, in a few minutes I'll get to it, I'm a little busy tonight, check in here once in a few mintutes

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:31 am

that's the image.
inb4someone claims that I am lying - the name of the picture is indeed 'meteor_pew_pew', don't ask me why. I could easily have just reuploaded it to that site with the name just 'meteor' you know.

anyway about me:
I'm a mysterious rock, no-one really knows anything about me yet. I'm ancient and possibly possess mystic powers.

my abilities:
vote;
I can suggest to people: Once a day I can write a short message and sent it through th emod to any player I wish. they will not know who sent the message.
annddd- bulletproof: in the role's language - I'm apparantly made of some material which is indestructible in terms of this world. I seem to have an aura sometimes, and so, if I am targeted by any night action, there's a good chance that a blast of pure energy will block it.

actually that's sort of my guess here, since it doesn't

say

that the night action will fail, but only that they might be blasted. it also says that it will uh...how to paraphrase that...well I don't know how to say it, but that's probably what happened when zar tried to detect me - it can uh.."make the attacker inactive" for the rest of the night.

Zar said he was blinded by light and got knocked out, so that fits.

Ninja'd by nuwen:
sorry for having a life here, lol. I'm trying to paint a picture of my gf for our two-years anniversary, and it looks monster-ish, and I wanna finish it tonight. it's 11:30 pm here, and I need to get up in 6 am, so just say thanks that I'm posting at all ><

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:02 pm

lol, so THAT is yyour post restrictionn XD
eh sure, I'd guess that by now it wouldn't matter much to claim this. I'm a survivor

in my role pm, it says that the only thing that interests me is me staying there. I don't care about anything else that happens. at first(this is my first independent game) I didn't know who I wanted to win - mafia or town - but eventually I got to the understanding that if I'm immune to night kills, there's no reason for me to be anti-town, since I can only get dead by lynch. so yeah.

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:33 pm

well my guess of late is that there is both an SK and me, and only 2 mafias. as I said - night ended early; why would scum TEAM agree to that? there's only one of them dead, so...I guess the other just has nobody to talk with, and so after submitting the kill, night ended. the kill was prevented somehow - we still don't know how. here's a question: Nuwen, you said that you *know* that you were not the one blocking the kill tonight, right? how did you know that?

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:34 pm

uh sorry, that question was supposed to be directd to Magua. and why do you not discuss your role fully?

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:55 pm

also can we get a full claim from Charter?

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:34 pm

meh. 3:29 am. I can't believe I'm here. gotta wake up in 2 hours :\

guh, I don't think it's possible that town is so overpowered:
a BP,
a forensic investigator,
a town guard,
a detective,
a scientific expert, whatever that means,
a doc.

come on, there can't POSSIBLY be another protective role. this lacks too much.

Vote: Magua

lol, ninja'd by three posts.
charter, that does not mean that I'm an SK. also, I'd find it quite wierd if there was an SK who could kill and not be killed OR tracked.

what I want you to claim is just like we all did - a picture, with the addition of the related flavor. so far your role has been just 'confirming' stuff. nothing you couldn't invent.

shos · Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:52 pm

just wandering: How comes the name of your picture is

270906_monalisa.jpg

while the others are

meteor_pew_pew.jpg
antinous.jpg
francoise.jpg
astrid.jpg

??

a google images of that provides this as the first result:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/files/ima ... nalisa.jpg

mhm.

shos · Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:39 am

guys I read till post 1893, will catch up soon sorry

shos · Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:17 am

Caught up. Nothing too important to add, posting from iphone. Id like to hear maguss full claim. Oh and that ither jebrew note-these are not real words in hebrew.

shos · Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:36 am

Got it! It is a bible quote that deems the end of the reign of the babylonian king. Wut??

shos · Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:51 am

Oi, sorry for absence, still on iphone. I can see what nuwen meant, i think. More tomorrow

shos · Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:32 pm

Still on iphone. Why is magua online and not posting?

shos · Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:58 pm

zar can confirm that I sent him a message yesterday in twilight, not being sure if it'd go through since well - it was twilight. no need to waste today's message yet.

Nuwen, I'd join that thing about your questions. we should all think what questions we want him to ask. there should be at least one question which we KNOW the answer to(or at least Zar knows, being the most-townie guy) so that we know Nuwen is actually telling the truth. such a question could be something like, "how many bolded letters are in Zar's role pm" or something...but we need mod to answer that...

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:21 am

@VI's 1938, last two lines: if nuwen is scum, then he wouldn't be able to answer how many bolded letters are there in Zar's role pm. which will confirm nuwen's lie/role.

@nuwen's big post, what the fuck, oh my god, barbeque, holy shit. I'll revise that tomorrow

@magua: are you saying that HIS claim seems fake? how bout you dear hypocrite? 'I do not want to say what I know but here is some bulls'.
also, fixation on birds in Vi? wut? it is HONEY and GARLIC with DUCK. it's one bird, and two other things used to mummify, lol.

@yos next post:
you quoted post 1360 by charter. Am I the only one who saw this and thought suspiciously about it? I mea, if I were a flavorcop, I'd firstly investigate someone whom I think is scum, and THEN ask for his nameclaim, to find if he's lying. am I wrong?

@zar:
:O :O :O
anyone else has been on that floor Vi said about in that night?

@VI long post:
Rambrandt watching you?? AND YOU DIDNT SAY SO?!?!?!?!? MADAME RECAMIER WAS WATCHING THAT DUDE IN THE STARTING SCENE.

in other words, someone has fakeclaimed.
my candidates are MAGUA and CHARTER. I want magua to fully claim for god's sake; what do you have to lose when you do that? the game's already on the table, adn you're just making yourself look bad, imo.

to sum it up:

MAGUA CLAIM FULLY goddammit <_>

I won't vote charter yet.

ah. ninja'd. sec.

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:34 am

btw before I respond to the posts above me, I think there cannot be two-mafia teams in this game beacuse of furc's flip. it just said that he was 'mafia harmer'. no name attached to the mafia, no unusual colors attached.

~~~~

As you can see whenever we started talking about pictures, I said that there was no rule forbidding it, and later mod confirmed. The mod, at start game, noticed that he indeed did not enforce a rule about the pictures, so she messaged me a few pictures of the kind, if I should want to fakeclaim a human. she also noted that I should upload it to the site just like she does to all the pictures. she just said that she does that because she likes to fuck with people who want to break setups or something; that is from memory, I'm not quoting the mod.

with that said, I'll vote charter and STILL PUSH MAGUA TO FULLCLAIM.

VOTE: Charter

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:44 am

also, just checkin if anyone missed it, my vote was L-1.

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:51 pm

In post 1952, Magua wrote:

shos wrote:MAGUA CLAIM FULLY goddammit <_>

No. Simple as that. I'm a protective role. If you don't understand, I can't help you.

@shos:
Please tell me, in like two sentences, why you're voting charter.

No. Simple as that. I'm voting charter. If you don't understand why, I can't help you.

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:28 pm

In case you did not read: the mod sent me pictures so that I can *REUPLOAD* them in the manner that she did, so that I can fake a claim in need. I have no idea why I would want to fake claim human, but then again, all that happened before I knew there were other characters which aren't human.

also, the fact that the mod sent such a thing to me does not mean he sent one to everyone. I'm independent - I thought I would be the only one getting such a message. did anyone else get one?

will continue in a few minutes

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:41 pm

In post 1600, Zar wrote:
In post 1595, Nuwen wrote:A better question, I guess: Zar, results clearing anyone please?

charter moved from the the 1st Fl. of Denon to the ground floor of the Sully portion. The wording of the result also indicates that I noticed there are windows there that open onto a courtyard.

According to the Louvre map in UberNinja's death scene, La Joconde is located in Denon.

Also, the wording of the newspaper image attached to the morning scene indicates the corpses where found in the sous-sol du musée, which translates as "in the basement of the museum".

I guess this means charter isn't responsible for either of these deaths.

This is the report.
so...what's the problem with it?

shos · Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:16 pm

so what. he doesn't have partners?

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:25 am

In post 1969, Magua wrote:I'm still curious about shos' objection to the picture that charter claimed.

Be a little less snarky and explain to me like I'm stupid how this works and why it's so damning: You were given a picture with your role. The mod then, unprompted, gave you additional pictures you could upload yourself? Were these links, like the cosmo one you gave for the Mona Lisa, or what? Were they already uploaded to postimage, or did the mod say you had to do that yourself? Do you think the image charter used was provided by the mod? Was other fakeclaim information provided (names, mechanics), or was it just the pictures? What date did you receive this message on?

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeee-sus Christ, this game.

I got a role pm. then a while after, still before/after the start of day 1, I recieved another pm, which gave me four pictures, and said that in case I want to use them, I should upload them to that site like he does. that's it. they were uploaded already to postimage, with the name image.jpg

gotta go..

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:46 am

In post 1973, Magua wrote:
In post 1972, shos wrote:I should upload them to that site like he does. that's it. they were uploaded already to postimage

Confusion. These sentences seem to be in conflict with each other.

Jumping back: you think the Mona Lisa pic is fake because of the name 270906_monalisa.jpg, yes?

But your picture (meteor_pew_pew.jpg) is obviously taken from http://www.geekologie.com/2008/12/01/meteor-pew-pew.jpg. I'm seriously not getting why you're hung up on this.

UNVOTE

I never googled my own picture indeed. that kinda deletes the entire argument here lol.

well at least that satisfies the question of why I have 'pew pew' in my pic name, lol.

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:50 am

In post 1975, Yosarian2 wrote:Things I am trying to figure out here:

1. I have no idea where Nuwen is coming to these conclusions from; she seems to be all over the place. I'm not even sure if all this is a town tell on her part or if she just rolled a natural 20 on her fast-talking nonweapon proficiency skill check.

2. I have no idea why Vi is following Nuwen here, when Vi has been tunneling on Nuwen all game. This just seems bizzare to me.

3. I have no idea why shos is voting charter here, and he's now twice refused to explain. Also, when I swim high enough out of the sewer of flavor-bullshit to actually stop and think about it, the idea that he's a "bulletproof survivor who the mod gave a fakeclaim to" just hurts my head. The whole think really sounds like just the worst SK fakeclaim ever, and he's acting in an incredibly opportunistic way and refusing to explain why.

Vote:shos

lol, missed that, and it didn't even appear in the pedit

about refusing to explain, I messaged magua, hehe. after what he posted here, I unvote, and well that's about it. by PoE he is still a suspect of mine tho, not enough for a lynch.

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:08 pm

Vi, look at what Magua posted in 1973. he is right, the part about the picture in Charter's case is deleted. I went through all the pictures in the game through their name and where they are uploaded, and image-searched them all; all except my own role pm pic, which is the one I needed.

I'm thinking to lynch Magua now. mainly because he still doesn't cooperate, unless I missed some post where he said something about his 'info that cannot help town and only hurt it'

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:11 pm

eh you know what, take that back, I revised some stuff and got to the conclusion that I need a revision.

Charter is still the best option for a lynch imo; if he's not alone, then probably Vi is the partner.

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:17 pm

In fact, I think I can now safely assume that all the remaining non-town-and-non-me players are in {Charter, Vi, Nuwen, Yosarian2}. least suspicious is Nuwen, and I'd rather not lynch Vi now. Since charter is only scum with a partner, I'll VOTE: Yosarian 2.

if I am missing some obvious thing, forgetting some piece of info we might have already acquired, tell me about it. it's 2 am after all, and it's not like I reread the whole pack of 80 pages..

ninja'd by Zar. one sec.

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:20 pm

@zar:
the first part - nothing in my role pm says or hints anything about that unconciousness. so I doubt it.
the second part - you're not an artifact...
the third part - gimme a sec and I'll say everything that there is to be said about that

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:29 pm

as a start the mod described how there is no rule that says not to post the picture that is sent with the role.
then, the mod said how she likes to play with people who try to break her setup, and therefore she doesn't want to add that as a rule. to that cause, she is giving me pictures that look the same as the role pm in the first page - other pictures of course, but with the same blurr of white-gray-black style. she does that so that I can use them to claim a human role, if I ever want to claim such a role, if it exists of course.
then, on a different paragraph, the mod told me to be careful and re-upload them to a hose with a file name that I desire, to imitate her style - referencing me to take a look at the sample role pm pic - just in case anyone is going to notice those details during the game.

she then gives me a list of 4 sample pictures, all named image.jpg and uploaded on random postimage.org addresses.

these four are two women, one kid with anime-style hair, and one young guy.

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:28 pm

eh, I've made some quick ISOs of recent stuff and came to think that way. It is nothing too strong; mostly PoE and what makes sense. to me, Yos-is-not-a-vig and yos-fake-claimed-as-scum seems right.

@Vi:
Zar is an artifact.?
the fact that I'm active doesn't make me town; or not scum, that is, of course. but I do find stuff like the /PRODDED above suspicious. I mean, charter has nothing to say at all?

shos · Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:55 pm

@yos: nuwen never said that.

@magua:
the message was sent at
Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:52 am
which is a week after I got my role pm.

@Zar: the N3 unconciousness is a direct result of my role.

@magua: why isn't Yos scum?

@nuwen-magua interchange:
I have to agree with Magua about the questions; it would be better if we get that info before we lynch. what if you die at night anyway?
and uh, Vi seems to be voting me, so such a bloc won't quite rise, I think.
and nuwen, if you're up for it, vote Yos. I think quite like you now, except your refusal about magua. it's okay tho.

@Vi: why are you voting me, anyway?

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:13 am

In post 2013, Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, Nuwen, me and Magna already explained why your "charter + furcolow was the whole scum team" thing couldn't possibly be true, and you ignored it. I've given you about 4 pages right now to explain yourself, and you've only come up with wilder and more illogical theories about furcolow trying to communicate something to a second scum team that doesn't seem to exist for reasons that make no sense. It's really starting to look like you are just trying to buffolo us into doing something by sheer number of words, and I don't like it. And the fact that you're now calling *me* scum with charter and furcolow just because I'm not buying you BS, when I don't think there's any way you could actually believe that, kind of seals the deal for me.

I'm really getting the gut feeling Manga is town here. I didn't want to think he was town, because it throws my whole process of elimination thing into chaos and I really wanted to gloat about how I caught the whole scum team on day 2, but he's insisted on continuing to make pro-town sounding posts. The SK is shos, there is almost certainly only one mafia left, and that last mafia has to be either Vi or Nuwen. I'm really thinking it's Nuwen.

out of all the BS you wrote there, this is the only post that I want to react to.

about the first paragraph - while Nuwen's ideas DO look wierd and I don't think they are correct, I don't remember you getting us some better explanations. and if it seals the deal for you, why U NO VOTE?

about the second paragraph - Magua is town. Why do you think I am the SK and there's only one mafia left? could you possibly be thinking that you, as a vig, have killed Elmo night 1, and BOTH mafia AND my SK kill have been blocked? and then last night again, BOTH mafia AND my sk kill have been blocked? you serious?

I want moar voats awn Yos.

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:08 pm

charter signed up his death now, lol. if I am an SK which is action-immune, as Zar can tell you, then how comes I was roleblocked and there were two nights in which I didn't kill?

you're making fun of yourself now.

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:10 pm

almos forgot, VOTE: CHARTER.

Mod, can we have a votecount, btw?

eh ninjad. sec.

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:16 pm

In post 2024, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 2020, Nuwen wrote:
In your next posts you can both explain why your top scum read (and the lesser scum read, Vi) is
not lynching the so-called SK when he has a vest
. Scum can't kill him. Scum can't affect his actions with their abilities. In your minds, scum should be happily lynching the so-called SK to avoid death-by-crosskill in this situation, right? So why are neither of your top scum-reads currently favoring a Shos lynch.

Oh, Vi is town. Right now I'm guessing that you're probably the last mafia in the game.

Your point is interesting. Perhaps you're more worried about a living town flavorcop for some reason? If your claim was a lie, you have good reason to want him dead.

are you kidding me?

It's Yos and Charter, guys
.

Yeah, nice try. I could have bought charter if you could have found a plausible way to explain away the ttracker thing; I could even buy you suspecting me to be a SK, but there's no way in hell town-Nuwen would actually think I'm scum with furcolow here, or that I'm mafia who claimed my own kill at the start of day 2 as some kind of stupid gambit, or that the mafia killed Elmo right after how day 1 ended. Not only is there no way you could believe all that, you're not even mentioning ANY of that, and just pretending that none of that is even a problem here.

Here's a plausible way. YOU shot the kill, and not charter. really, it's that easy. the night 1 call was probably a gambit indeed, and why wouldn't we think you were with furc?

Or, to put it another way, just to point out the absurdity of what you're claiming to believe here:

In post 1493, Nuwen wrote:One more time, so everyone can hear it Parama: Yos is scum claiming vig. You think Yos is scum claiming vig. You, Parama, think Yosarian2 claimed out the scum kill as a vig bullet for no reason or hint of a track/whatever result on him.

btw, didn't furc out Zar as a tracker?

perhaps you could communicate somehow; perhaps he got the results and posted it in the quicktopic quickly before night ended.

either way - charter is scum for sure, we'll deal with you after he flips.

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:03 pm

at the time, I sent Magua a message with my powers and said that. but now, all the reasons come from the last two-three pages.

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:32 pm

really, I knew already what you are talking about in ytour 'case' against nuwen - if you didn't read, I saw that one too and supported it against Vi. there was only one option missing there either way.
my case against you two is that you guys can't explain the missing kills and the double kill, and you're just fine with it. oh yeah, we'll lynch nuwen and THEN wonder if that's logical!..

the charter-sheeping-yos is new to me, and it isn't doing any good for charter. even if he isn't with you(unlikely), he'll just jump on any wagon that isn't him or his partner. and pages 81-82 is what I'm talking about - starting with post 2017, charter's posts are just plain bad. obviously you BOTH missed the fact that I'm immune, and of course Yos is right whatever he says.

"Good work. Slam dunk case on Nuwen."? seriously?

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:24 pm

Yes, against Vi. Nuwen did not know anything. it is called SPECULATIONS. that post had a good point there - if bla bla bla happened and 'supposedly' confirms Vi as town, then why haven't scum shot Vi? a reason not to shoot Zar is acceptable since it seemed there are many ways to block a kill here, but Vi would be the obvious second target.

anyway - that was only partially correct, and that's why I let it go.

about that last part - opportunistic, innit? 'if you are indeed survivor you would not care'...that's bulls, lol, even if I were an SK i wouldn't care. and since town is the only thing that can kill me via lynch, there is no reason to give town reasons to lynch me. if we can even avoid a situation where they fear of me quickhammering with scum, the better. your 'we' is only you and charter, and your reason is crap, and you're both acting VERY wierd these last two pages, so yeah, you're going to be the one lynched, and not Nuwen.

se tu.

shos · Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:01 pm

Zar, I see nothing interesting in those quotes.

@Vi: just how many BPs do you think there are? if I am an SK and Yos is town, then there should be now FOUR missing kills. meaning both me and the mafia failed to kill on two different nights. spare that thought.
~~

about nuwen: once again, she did not KNOW those stuff, she suspected them. hasn't it ever happened to you that you guessed something correctly? for example, charter&yos scumteam?

~~
from now on I'd like everyone who votes someone to give his opinion of how the setup is built. example:
Yos, charter, and furc are scum; Yos is 1-shot scumvig. shos is BP survivor.
N1 Yos did not waste his vigshot and killed elmo with the mafia kill and fakeclaimed. N2 he wasted his kill so there were 2 kills. N3 the mafia kill was blocked by Vi.

that's it.

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:09 am

oh here's a good question. Nuwen, ask the mod some questions, including if there is an SK in this game.

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:47 am

I'd go with option 3 indeed. a 'bad' mafia kill would confuse town, and it did. before you claimed someone said 'why the fuck would they kill elmo?'...
so yah. I think Yos & charter & furc. no SK.

@yos: there still is three OTHER missing kills, one in the same night. it doesn't explain enough.

holy shit ninja'd by nuwen I'll respond later or at home

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:00 am

Yos, you make no sense in my eyes. the last part - I have no idea what you're talking about. the part with the big letters - what town PR demanded that? I don't recall anything..?
nobody prodded you to say that. look at post 1136: LINK

the other parts of your post just fail in my opinion, since you really cannot explain what happened everywhere. you're assuming things WAAAAY out of league - that both scum and SK targetted same one, or that mafia has roleblocker and blocked SK, or that there is another doc, or that there's another BP, godfather, whatever.

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:39 am

In post 2059, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 2058, shos wrote:Yos, you make no sense in my eyes. the last part - I have no idea what you're talking about. the part with the big letters - what town PR demanded that? I don't recall anything..?

Parama did. if you remember, at the time he was claiming to be some kind of cop, and we were close to lynching someone just on his say-so. He retracted that claim shortly afterwards, but only after he forced me to fullclaim and screwed up my plan to draw the scum nightkill.

I have no idea what you're talking about. link me to specific posts please.

Magua wrote:
In terms of a lynch, I want Vi dead. All of the possible pairings I see include Vi-as-scum, and my current operating theory is that scum tried to shoot shos last Night, not Vi.

If I can't get Vi lynched, charter would be the second.

Yos-lynch is bad. shos-lynch is bad.

seriously, you think that after claiming BP days ago scum would target me?
what do you think about charter?

~~~~

questions for nuwen to ask:

1. is there an SK in this game?
2. was Vi shot last night?
3. did yos have different powers in N1 and N2?
4. can magua prevent someone from dying?
5. can charter perform a kill at night?

this should clarify practically everything.

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:16 am

I think that all out speculations are just rotting without having those 5 questions I posted answered. seriously, how can this progress any further, we have all the info already claimed.

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:28 pm

I wonder if I should hammer or not. on the one hand, if we lynch scum, then I'm pretty sure town will prevail, and so will I. on the other hand, if we lynch town, people might want to lynch me to prevent me rejoining mafia or something alike..and I'm pretty sure nuwen will flip town..

Nuwen, ask the questions I sent in. since this is now all about me hammering you(unless magua does that first, which is not so unlikely considering the fact he wants either you or vi), you can remove the 'is there an SK' question and replace it with, 'how many bolded words are there in Shos role pm', so that I can tell if you're lying or not.

if you don't do that, I will hammer.

shos · Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:42 pm

ohhh I see, yeah I completely forgot that.

Parama, Polyphème Desroches, was killed. He was a town night guard.

maybe his 'fakeclaim' wasn't so fake after all?

perhaps he had only 'slight' info? stuff like, 'yos was in the room'?

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:39 am

I will be waiting for Nuwen to enlighten us with something. if he doesn't send those questions to the mod, I will hammer. I *should* be getting up before deadline tomorrow.

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:35 am

Nuwen, when you get back home send the mod those questions.

Yos, Nuwen was the one who found the flaw in furc's play which made me vote furc, for example. I doubt furc is scum. I still want to lynch charter. what makes you so adamant that he is town?

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:13 am

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:52 am

As a survivor, I really shouldn't care about who wins as long as I am alive. since I am BP, I only have to fear being lynched; if I'm not lynched, I win whatever happens. If we lynch scum, cool. but if we lynch townnuwen, which I think is the case, then if game doesn't end, I just might be lynched you know, so that in the future I won't be able to quickhammer with the scums - I persume you guys won't trust me to not hammer-in-any-chance-I-get.

that is why I am avoiding the hammer now. we're THIS close to deadline and so I probably will hammer eventually, but this is why I asked nuwen to use his ability as quickly as possible.

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:57 am

actually, now the thought came to my mind, remember how I said that there is probably just one mafia left after the night ended quickly?

right. new theory coming.

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:06 am

Yos is an SK.
Furc is mafia along with someone else, preferably charter.

Night one:
Yos kills elmo. mafia kill doesn't work. it is either on Vi or on me, or on elmo. that is plenty of options for the night 1 missing kill.
Night two:
Yos kills Parama. Parama fakeclaimed to have info that Yos killed, right? he drew lots of attention to him. so Yos kills him and gets off the hook.
Furc and other scum kill Kanye. don't have anything in mind for why.
Night three: scum try to kill Vi again, now knowing that Hiraki protected him N1 and therefore he will not survive again. Yos doesn't shoot in fear of being tracked.

I'll respond to you in a sec magua

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:09 am

In post 2086, Magua wrote:But if you think there are two living mafia, and we lynch town, town wouldn't have majority and couldn't lynch you even if it wanted to.

Re: one mafia theory: one mafia theory makes your charter vote super bad.

why shouldn't scum help voting me.? I'm BP, you know.

and yes it does make it look super bad, but the theory is not the only one possible~

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:52 am

about charter: correct, my miss.

bout parama: wasn't that what caused Yos to fullclaim? If I recall correctly, this is what Yos said lately?

and if Yos is an SK, then he shouldn't care much about WHO gets lynched as long as it isn't him. then kill the others. am I wrong? missing somethinga gain?

mhm. why is Zar alive. that's a good question. maybe Zar is the mafia with furc? remind me why we had Zar as conftown?

uh..well...about that last paragraph. that is correct. so I win either way if we lynch town, and it's 50-50 for everyone else.
meh, all those speculations are just for endgame lol.

VOTE: Nuwen

that's the hammer. if he's scum good for us. if he's town, then no townie will vote me because it'll get them game over; so I think I'm safe.?

meh. let's all cross fingers!

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:52 am

pfft. sorry Nuwen and stuff. I actually kinda hope you're town, lol.

shos · Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:15 am

if it matters, tomorrow I will try to vote a scum anyway, lol. we'll have to examine the night actions

nuwen, if you're town, I'd really suggest you ask all those questions hehe

Zar will probably die at night, unless someone saves him *hint hint lol lol* (I'll explain tomorrow). anyway, Zar should track Vi, charter, or yos.

shos · Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:25 pm

when I pmed magua I also asked him to crumb to me his role. he crumbed be and then JEE-sus, lol. that's B-G. I thought he was a bodyguard; what's a benevolent god?

anyway. anyone with new role information to hand us scum on a plate?

shos · Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:30 pm

also, I have to say this, the fact that nuwen flipped scum - do you think it means anything about /vi\?

@Yos; the doctor? benevolent god is doctor?

and I'm pretty sure it's one scum left. will ISO nuwen now

ninja'd: perfect. then town autowins? we lynch vi. if fails we lynch charter.

shos · Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:33 pm

nuwen tried to get charter lynched lately. Ima vote Vi now. such amazing distancing from such a great player, it seems.

VOTE: Vi

shos · Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:01 am

*sigh* for fuck's sake, how will you explain then ANOTHER missing kill -_-; did you not get the fact I was action immune already when Zar tried to detect me?

and the vi-nuwen exchange is incredible buddying imo, I've said that. anyway - since Vi stopped last night's kill, that does make me UNVOTE: Vi and VOTE: Charter. no other way; nuwen was probably bussing. =\

please unvote me so we can talk as I don't like being in L-1.

shos · Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:01 pm

lol was I instahammered by mistake?

=_=

*sigh*..

I meant 'distancing' and not 'buddying'. anyway - gg, first loss as survivor independent

I thought I'd actually make it

shos · Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:11 pm

In post 2181, Oversoul wrote:This game was awesome

In post 2182, Zar wrote:I KNEW VI WAS SCUMMMM

I think the mod was causing the visions. damn you vi, superwell played. I got you there! but you quickhammered me nicely

I'm guessing you didn't really 'by mistake' hammer, right? just pretended?

wonderful game. my pm:

springlullaby wrote:
Role PM

You are
The Artifact
. You look like a vaguely shaped dark rock the size of a fist, only you are not made of mineral but of mystery and perhaps of something resembling raw concentrated energy. You are possibly ancient, or magical, or extra-terrestrial, or even a shard of Phlebotinum from a parallel universe. No one knows, not even you. Slightly warm to the touch, you emit a telltale faint glow and you are currently sitting pretty atop the recently deceased Directeur’s desk in his office. You don’t know why you are here either, or how, but you have an inkling that the recent agitation which has been taking place around you may not be stranger to yourself. But it does not concern you, because the only thing you know for sure is that you must continue to be. To that end agitation is not indicated and you are quite resolute in ushering fate along.

Wincon

The only thing that matters to you is your own continued existence. You win when a single faction remains and you have survived to witness it.

Abilities

Vote:
during the day, you may cast a vote which will count toward a lynch.

Suggestion:
your semi-sentience coupled with your mysterious power allows you to perform a mild form of telekinesis in order facilitate your survival. Each day, you may write a short message with the content of your choice and select a recipient amongst the players still alive, I will pass your message along.

Unknown material (passive):
the mysterious material you are made of is virtually indestructible. It renders you immune to any night action. Moreover, if you are targeted by a night action, the perpetrator will be stunned into unconsciousness by a blast of pure energy which will render them unconscious for the remaining of the night.

The game thread can be found here.

Please reply to this PM to confirm that you have read and understood your role.

shos · Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:38 pm

this game could end with a both-independent win if you didn't lynch me..

shos · Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:47 am

I did! eventually~!

shos · Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:35 pm

dayyyuuum. so I was responsible to those visions. hmm.