Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

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/confirm

First game of the summer. This should be fun.

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VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF

The only players I know in this game are Jmo and TMT.

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No u

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Everyone, vote Letters with me, he's scum.

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Yessir.

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Why would you instantly assume the statement was serious unless you know Radiant is town?

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Well, no, I guess not. But I don't see why that statement of calling someone town would be considered serious.

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Like who seriously calls someone town with nothing to go on?

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Like saying he enjoys playing with you, and being the first to vote?

That's a lot.

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It's because Letters is scum. Duh.

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vote: DCLXVI

Your 2, 3 and 4 go from wanting more info, not seeing why I make the statement and then being totes fine with my statement.

Oh wait I missed post 43.

May vote later, I'm on my phone now.

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If Letters flips scum Rob could be a partner.

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Maybe tomorrow.

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Give me a bit to be more precise with my thoughts of the game. I need to look a little harder at Letters and Less Letters to determine my vote.

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Yeah, apparently I'm not very good at promising my return.

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About to catch up, just read the last post, and Rob wants to reveal the other Mason.

Bad Rob.

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Because later in the game, not in LyLo, someone can claim Mason to increase chances of lynching scum, instead of having Masons killed early and have less leads later in the game.

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That's why I said

not

in LyLo, but right before it.

Okay catch-up post coming.

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Okay, catch-up post time.

I thought TMT was scum because of the first statement in 58. That’s where I left off.

Rob looks genuinely interested in scumhunting at this point, so I’ll call him town.

62 scared me at first, but after the vote I felt better. At this point DCL could be scum.

66 is a bad response IMO. He assumes that I’ve been joking with my response, and completely ignores what Rob theorized about me actually being serious.

For some reason, 72’s last statement looks like Rob is being reasonable in thinking Jmo is scum, instead of listening to every argument against Jmo and adding that to his own case.

74: My response is an ambiguity. It was slightly serious in that I wanted more information about it, but it was slightly a joke because I was feeling silly at the moment and wanted to reply with something more amusing. Also, Jmo should realize that his playstyle is already incredibly offensive, so saying he’s drunk to defend himself is silly.

86: Good entrance. (No seriously, no sarcasm here, I like it overall.)

96: I don’t really think Rob’s formatting is bad at all

Butttt 100 has a vote on DCL because they have different opinions, instead of the actually-decent logic on Jmo. Bad bad bad

106: Meta is the reason why I think Jmo is town. Jmo-scum would normally try to stay calm not to attract any attention. Town Jmo doesn’t give any shits about attention.

111: Doctor Who and TLA are both great shows (TLA is actually playing while I catch up, since it goes off Netflix May 22). Also, I had no previous reason for voting you. I just called you scum with no reason in RVS to see how you’d react. And the fact it still bothers you bothers me.

Then there’s a Mason claim. I believe it, personally. It matches with his play so far.

Cooldog’s reaction to the Mason claim is crap, I pretty much agree with DCL’s 136.

Reads forthcoming in next post.

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Town

jmo16mla
Rob13
gorkcat
nhammen
DCLXVI

Null/Neutral

RadiantCowbells
ThAdmiral
guru guru
Yates

Scum

TMTOLBTWNTOF
CooLDoG
BROseidon

My reasons for TMT have been slightly voiced throughout the game. Defensiveness, wants to make sure the town is happy with him, not really focusing on scumhunting, etc.

CooLDoG's reaction to the Mason claim doesn't satisfy me, still wants a DCL lynch without even close to believing the claim.

BROseidon is least likely scum, but his posts earlier in the game make my gut feel a little bad.

I'm finding it pretty hard to read people this game (as evidenced by my neutral reads). It sucks having to make long catch-up posts but I should be able to stay more active.

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Reasons you think I'm scum:
- Fluff (when I couldn't make really content-filled posts earlier because I was limited to my phone)
- Unexplained scum read on you (will explain in next paragraph)
- Mitigation: I guess this is an okay reason, but I don't think that's enough to have a scum read on me.

So, here's the timeline of my scum read on you:

- Beginning of the game, I just yelled that you were scum just because. No reasons behind it, I was just being silly at first, and thought that maybe I could use some reactions against it. Like yours.

- In 37, you show lack of serious discussion. I agreed in 45, and started to believe you could actually be scum.

- I mentioned 58 only because you still wanted to know why the scum read was on you, and that was around where I stopped posting and reading and just skimmed for a bit.

- I have currently given reasons you're scum now.

@BRO: I've witnessed multiple scum jump on a Mason wagon because "the Mason claim didn't make any sense." Scum want Masons dead because it can link them to the other Mason that may claim later in the game, and they get rid of a PR instead of a VT through "convincing" arguments.

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Right now I consider it a possibility. If no one confirms the single role-claim that can be easily confirmed over the next few days, then absolutely yes.

The

single

role-claim?

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Ummmm

Scum doesn't want scum to out themselves. They wouldn't be that stupid, would they?

I just don't see how DCL-scum would fakeclaim something like Mason instead of something like Doctor or Cop to save himself. Mason is a weaker role, although still a role, and to prove it he'd have to out his other Mason, something scum

would

like.

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Well, he's also giving a reason why claiming a Mason partner doesn't simply clear them as a team today.

Except of course, if neither of them die that night then it's pretty obvious.

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He's scum for now?

I'm flattered you listened to me, but why?

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@BRO: I've witnessed multiple scum jump on a Mason wagon because "the Mason claim didn't make any sense." Scum want Masons dead because it can link them to the other Mason that may claim later in the game, and they get rid of a PR instead of a VT through "convincing" arguments.

Does this typically happen day 1 or on say day 4 or 5?

Well, it was a Friends and Enemies game, and the main leader of the wagon was able to convince people to lynch with him. Jmo modded it, maybe be can help you out. It was Day 2 after a Mason hammered a player without asking for a claim.

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Okay, that's good to know. I think that affects the likelihood of a fakeclaim, as it would probably be easier for scum to claim that a mason claim is a fakeclaim on someone who has done something very scummy and if other power roles have been claimed (and thus a doctor or cop fakeclaim isn't an option). Still, day 2 is a lot earlier than I would have expected for a play like that to have been attempted.

Yeah...

So...

I was actually convinced by said scum by the argument anyway and we lynched a claimed mason.

Not making that mistake again.

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Rob do you usually vote hop that easily?

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^^I don't understand.

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We are not

Lynching

A claimed Mason today.

I don't even care if DCL decides to give away his partner anymore.

We can leave him alive for now, and later in the game we can determine whether he's a good kill or not.

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Then

Let's lynch him two days before LyLo.

Instead of lynching him today.

K?

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Probably along with your random throwing out of names and calling them scum too.

Lulz

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When did you townread Jmo? I must've missed that.

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I think you're town.

Rob just never mentioned what changed from being a scum read to a town read.

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Actually, you've already explained a huge chunk of why I think CooLDoG is scum, so I don't need that reasoning.

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@Radiant: What do you think of CoolDog wanting to lynch DCL even if he claims a mason partner and the partner confirms?

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ThAdmiral: Why not TMT for scum?

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Like the guy's vote has been on DCL because DCL was subtly pushing a lynch on TMT, even though DCL is very clearly claiming TMT is scummy and voting him.

And then TMT stops confronting me about my vote and starts questioning Yates on his.

Why don't people see this? He's trying his hardest to 1.) look townie by participating in Mason discussion and 2.) he is focused on derailing his own wagon instead of 3.) looking for scum through tactics other than defense.

His ISO isn't hard to look through, shouldn't take but a few minutes.

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Because if the claimed masons live that long, they're probably scum, and we lynch them.

What do you mean by "we don't want a 2/3 chance of hitting scum" because I want in on that shit in every Mafia game.

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@CooLDoG: Who the fuck else is in your scum pile?

See, my issue with a DCL lynch regardless of this MFing Mason WIFOM is that THERE ARE/COULD BE BETTER LYNCHES.

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Yes.

Are you agreeing Yates? Or are you picking at how eager I am to target those players? (I understand I'm being loud about other lynches but that's because I'm trying my hardest to keep players from only focusing on DCL when there should be more than one scum.)

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@ThAdmiral: TMT did

keep

the random vote on DCL, but since then, hadn't really expressed any other scumreads of his besides people on his own wagon. Earlier, he stated the "general" scum case on DCL at the time, before the Mason shit, and said that only point 2 held some merit. And since TMT didn't show intention on unvoting or changing the vote, it looked like TMT still thought DCL was scum, and that only point 2 was TMT's case on him. Which is incredibly biased and defensive.

look townie by participating in Mason discussion

I had no ulterior motive for my beliefs in the other mason outing. If I was trying to look townie, then why would I state something that is viewed by others as a scumtell? I believed the other mason should out, and I hadn't seen anything that would change that opinion.

After rereading BROseidon's, I see why the other mason shouldn't be revealed.

WIFOM. Also, your 150 was the first time you brought up your opinion of the Mason claim. But you state an opinion, and then ask a question asking if the other Mason should confirm. How can you not see anything that changes that opinion, when you were asking people as if they could sway your opinion?

And then TMT stops confronting me about my vote.

Clarify, please.

Well, this isn't exactly a scumpoint against you; it's that as soon as I refute my vote against you, your next post is asking the next person on your wagon why their vote is on you. It's like you give up when one person is solidly on your wagon, and again, instead of looking for scum to hunt, you're focused on your wagon. Granted, Yates's reasoning was off, you still hadn't exactly done anything to advance scumhunting.

However, you're starting to actually look at things that aren't directly related to you. You seem to catch things that Yates and Radiant are saying.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CooLDoG

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TMT was only focusing on his own wagon to come to conclusions, and saying their reasons for voting him were scumtells. Not the case anymore, but it was the case earlier.

Radiant looked at people on his wagon, and came up with some conclusions not related to their votes on him.

Granted, I'm still unsure about Radiant being town or scum.

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See, here's my thing: I never actually had a heavy scumread on DCL, so that's another reason why I haven't been advocating a DCL lynch today.

Can someone,

anyone

, summarize the case on DCL

before

the Mason claim? I'm looking through his ISO, didn't see anything bad about it up until the Mason claim...

Still looking...Okay, so look at his 181...his third point is that he's going to reveal later today why he absolutely won't out his partner today. AND, he apparently already stated with his fourth point that his partner would claim, at the latest, the day before LyLo. Which is what I would've liked to happen, if DCL were actually lynched.

I'm really hoping getting his new laptop tomorrow could give us insight on his actual thoughts.

@DCL: Once you have access to a computer, could you try listing your reads on every player? Since you haven't been able to post properly it's hard to read you.

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Okay, fair enough.

Though we do only have 6 days to deadline, so if you're going to give your reason for not revealing your partner today, you better do it soon.

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Wow. A lot happened since I was last here.

I'll probably catch up tomorrow.

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Yeah. So I still haven't been able to catch up efficiently.

UNVOTE: CoolDoG. I'd rather not be on a lynch wagon I haven't been able to participate in, game-wise.

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Sorry guys.

@Mod: I'm replacing out.