NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Shadi1337]

VOTE: ProHawk

#19 explains.

[Shadi1337]

I actually just realised I missed 3 pages thought we were on page 2 lol.

How does the suspicion on the action matter if you follow it or not, it's already proposed and out there. Both as a villager and scum you'd want to stay alive, yes? If scum, he can pick 4 randoms. If not scum, then why even pick four randoms in the game start to put some votes on? Seems a bit weird approach during what's supposed to be RVS.

[Shadi1337]

P-edit: Hi there shadi!

Ohai

Prohawk is good enough of a scum player that I have no doubt he could have faked that just as likely as it is that he did that out of town motivation. The entire thing is null.

Because he's good we disregard mistakes/possible scum hunches because they're obvious?

[Shadi1337]

I actually just realised I missed 3 pages thought we were on page 2 lol.

How does the suspicion on the action matter if you follow it or not, it's already proposed and out there. Both as a villager and scum you'd want to stay alive, yes? If scum, he can pick 4 randoms. If not scum, then why even pick four randoms in the game start to put some votes on? Seems a bit weird approach during what's supposed to be RVS.

He can only do that if he thinks somehow that every townie fails to follow the flaw in his plan. By "run up", I also assume he doesn't mean "quicklynch" but instead "wagon".

We don't know whether he did it coz he assumed it'd work or not, why is this in your analysis?

Reason for wanting a wagon this early?

I do realise the plan will most likely not even lead to a lynch, but still the intention strongly seems to create a wagon.

[Shadi1337]

Define towncred

[Shadi1337]

Hi Shadi!

Haiiii

[Shadi1337]

PE: omfg people, STOP with the crap filler posts. We're in the middle of page 6 in a 24 player game sevenish hours old. Unless you ACTUALLY WANT mass flaking, stop posting unless you have something real to say for chrissake

Wadup

No but seriously dude calm down, if it's filler then skip it.

[Shadi1337]

For the record, I hate all of you that have nothing to say but criticism. It's honestly not all that dumb, but I do suppose change is hard for the simple minded. Regardless it has served its purpose regardless of whether or not you agreed with the idea or not.

VOTE: Shadi

From him I get the shielded scum-vibe.

Sorry dude, but what are you searching for? A medal? I mean kudos for (perhaps) trying to scum hunt and set some pressure on a few players but other than kicking off the game a bit your reasoning was weak; just rvs for that.

The simple minded would let it go and think it meant nothing, smart people question the purpose of a lot and criticise stuff rather than going along blind-folded.

What do you mean with shielding scum-vibe, and once you have explained it tell me which posts you see this in or which part of them.

Krab person (cabd?) - why did you feel the need to seperate orc for not having enough posts from everyone else who don't have enough posts? I found this kinda bizarre behaviour.

I think (not sure) what was meant is that Orc posted unlike many others, but not a lot. Just a shoot in the dark though. It does indeed seem a bit off, but so far I'm having a town read on Krab more or less; unlike the one I had in newbie newbie by Maestro with him. Then again he's a split personality this time.

[Shadi1337]

Kinda like blindly RVS'ing every game right?

Now that I think of it this is a much bigger game so RVS should probably be more than one person.
UNVOTE:

What do you mean with shielding scum-vibe, and once you have explained it tell me which posts you see this in or which part of them.

You

are

were using others as your shield.

Spoiler: These were your predecessors

VOTE: ProHawk

That is a terrible idea and it should be fairly obvious why.

Because there's no way scum would fake a list to lynch a townie.
VOTE: ProHawk

VOTE: Nero

BTW I'm ignoring that plan.

TIP's idea is dumb.

Vote: TMTOLBTWNTOF

Dat name

What makes you so certain, Hawk?

Was my Idea Doc, and RVS is dumb actually. Jus' sayin.

The idea just makes it dumber and if anything, extends the useless portion of the game.

Also Zdenek is totes right I am obviously scum.

VOTE: BROseidon

Okay. /sarcasm off.

VOTE: ProHawk

Also like TiP for town.

pedit:k

This whole game is a WIFOM tangle, its the fun of it.

vote:ProHawk

for the above quote. He's either scum or a bad player. That makes him a good enough lynch for me. I hope I don't need to explain why this quote is incredibly wrong to you guys.

I will have crappy availability for the next few days, which fits my scum gameplan of lurking very well. All jokes aside, I just moved into a new place and we can't get the Wifi to work. I am going to visit my parents for the weekend, so I will post by Saturday at the latest. Apologies to all, I didn't think this was going to be an issue when I signed up for this game but I will make sure to pull my weight.

Scum suspect #2 is BROseidan for making a town read on page 2.
Scum suspect #3 is TiP for excessive posting and for possibly being BROseidan's buddy.


Stevie

I know, I know the thread took off and it was your first post/vote... however. Safe vote is well... safe... and you obviously put a lot of thought into it.

Actually I didn't, for me #19 just made a lot of sense back then but I underestimated the player amount. It is still mildly suspicious but not /that/ much. Didn't really care for the rest of the posts, either repeated logic or nothing new.

[Shadi1337]

Explanations of why you have reads would be nice, guys.

[Shadi1337]

Also if I missed one explanation or more feel free to ask.

[Shadi1337]

but usually we sheep good players

[Shadi1337]

Shadi #179 looks real bad to me.

Vote SteevieT

One specific part of it or the entire post?

[Shadi1337]

Shadi #179 looks real bad to me.

Vote SteevieT

One specific part of it or the entire post?

One specific part, or rather the concept behind one specific part.

Why leave my vote in the quote?

I actually don't remember, probably a mistake.

Alright, which part then?

[Shadi1337]

The last.


You answered a question directed at someone else. It could even be said that you defended someone whom you could not possible have a town read on from a question directed at someone else.

I can even see you leaving the vote in there as an attempt to direct the attention of others away from you question to me.
"Look I'm just asking a question, she's voting someone else"

As for the part, fair point. I'm not going to argue against it. I just thought I could share my thoughts about it while /maybe/ answering his question. inb4 this post is also very scummy

As for the second part, welp wasn't the intention but whatever; I genuinely just... left it.

[Shadi1337]

Happy Birthday, Ankimius!

Birthday? :O

[Shadi1337]

Oh derp, somehow I missed this

Happy Birthday, Ankimius!

Danke!

Happy birthday <3

[Shadi1337]

k I think I really like DOMO for town because that catchup felt genuine.

QFT

[Shadi1337]

Ohhhh, got it. You mock things you actually don't have a response to. Psychologists call that deflection

lol

[Shadi1337]

Tough to see a lot through all the bickering...TSO and Metal Sonic in particular.

Initial read stands.

vote Stevie.

Hops on a person that people continue to push for bad reasons, easy target

What...

...in the actual fuck?

Expresses "surprise" towards a joke
Does not further comment on his vote

VOTE: The Goat

Do you believe this is the strongest lead currently?

Town: truly14(and his replacement)

I'd like to have a few reasons for the read(s) on truly, for me it's quite difficult with so few posts.

VOTE: Shadi

Initial intend/reason with this? If you think I'm scum then I'd like to hear your reasons out.

[Shadi1337]

Why do you think I'm voting you?

No idea, it's why I'm asking you.

Yeah but I didn't have to catch up

I hate catching up

I get shit reads if it's not in real time.

Catching up to 21 pages? Fully understandable I barely bother with 3

I'd like to have a few reasons for the read(s) on truly, for me it's quite difficult with so few posts

Newbies getting upset that easily are most likely town because let's face it, scum mentality is that you have a team and you don't feel alone. That kld was obviously feeling VERY alone.

P-edit: Ninja'd but you did ask for multiple views.

Well true, he kinda got so upset and didn't feel like anyone could back him up. Did anybody check his meta? If not I will do so tomorrow it's nearly 7 AM and I'm not sure I can be bothered right now.

[Shadi1337]

I don't have anything to guess but anyway imma comment on the posts you said "jumped out" or w/e

127 - Asking for a definition of a term I don't know? Yep scum, definitely scum..?
155 - ?? I told him to calm down because he was being too serious, how is that scummish?
202 - Well I guess an opinion is an opinion so I'll leave this one as a fair analysis.
260 - ?? Voting without explaining is bad in general. First of all it doesn't help town because we don't really get any information unless the guy defends himself. Second it's scummish; so why do it in the first place? That's why I asked to reason votes.

[Shadi1337]

Can you guys tell the reasons for your 3-4 strongest reads?

[Shadi1337]

Can you guys tell the reasons for your 3-4 strongest reads?

Can you stop being so freaking obvscum

Like you are pressuring people about their reads in this shitty general manner that does nothing but try (unsuccessfully) to look like you are doing something, while having basically /no reads of your own/.

Finally someone jumped onto the fact that I wasn't giving reads myself, shame it had to be one I personally read scum.

Unsuccessfully? It worked fine up until now; and I want to work my own reads out of other people's reads instead of spamming reads more than Google is used.

If you want reads so badly then ask for them, give names preferably I cannot be bothered with a full reads list.

[Shadi1337]

And of course you note that I scumread you within like 30 minutes of starting to read up in the game

so

Unsuccessfully, yes.

You've let your scumbuds down

Nah wasn't really unsuccessful, your read isn't necessarily right.

"I want to work my own reads out of others." What the hell does this even mean?

Vote: Shadi1337

It means that I see other people's reads and work my own reads out of it.

e.g a group of people could jump on someone who I see town, so I could see that group of people or some in it as scum.

Why do you think I'm voting you?

If you were really reaction testing, this was your chance to own up to you. You would've noticed that I was scumreading you. In response, however, you said

I don't know

Yeah bullshit. If you were reaction testing then you would've known what it was that you were doing that I found scummy.

I genuinely didn't know the term towncred, it was a genuine question it had nothing to do with reactions. And I STILL don't fucking know what you found scummy and you STILL haven't really explained it.

For the record, I hate all of you that have nothing to say but criticism. It's honestly not all that dumb, but I do suppose change is hard for the simple minded. Regardless it has served its purpose regardless of whether or not you agreed with the idea or not.

VOTE: Shadi

From him I get the shielded scum-vibe.

Sorry dude, but what are you searching for? A medal? I mean kudos for (perhaps) trying to scum hunt and set some pressure on a few players but other than kicking off the game a bit your reasoning was weak; just rvs for that.

The simple minded would let it go and think it meant nothing, smart people question the purpose of a lot and criticise stuff rather than going along blind-folded.

What do you mean with shielding scum-vibe, and once you have explained it tell me which posts you see this in or which part of them.

Krab person (cabd?) - why did you feel the need to seperate orc for not having enough posts from everyone else who don't have enough posts? I found this kinda bizarre behaviour.

I think (not sure) what was meant is that Orc posted unlike many others, but not a lot. Just a shoot in the dark though. It does indeed seem a bit off, but so far I'm having a town read on Krab more or less; unlike the one I had in newbie newbie by Maestro with him. Then again he's a split personality this time.

The last.


You answered a question directed at someone else. It could even be said that you defended someone whom you could not possible have a town read on from a question directed at someone else.

I can even see you leaving the vote in there as an attempt to direct the attention of others away from you question to me.
"Look I'm just asking a question, she's voting someone else"

As for the part, fair point. I'm not going to argue against it. I just thought I could share my thoughts about it while /maybe/ answering his question. inb4 this post is also very scummy

As for the second part, welp wasn't the intention but whatever; I genuinely just... left it.

Can you guys tell the reasons for your 3-4 strongest reads?

Can you stop being so freaking obvscum

Like you are pressuring people about their reads in this shitty general manner that does nothing but try (unsuccessfully) to look like you are doing something, while having basically /no reads of your own/.

Finally someone jumped onto the fact that I wasn't giving reads myself, shame it had to be one I personally read scum.

Unsuccessfully? It worked fine up until now; and I want to work my own reads out of other people's reads instead of spamming reads more than Google is used.

If you want reads so badly then ask for them, give names preferably I cannot be bothered with a full reads list.

so you're not giving reads, while giving reads in the quoted posts. Your posts are contradicting.
Also, your ISO strikes me as very defensive.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shadi

Granted, I kinda forgot I gave a read on Krab and therefore stated I didn't give any reads so I'm guilty as charged there and contradicted myself. Reason for the read in case anybody cares; He stood out extremely town to me in this game because if you look at the Maestro newbie newbie game he was being quite aggressive while he's more careful and gives more time to his posts and reads.

Defence is a decent weapon, but I seem to have used it wrong.

Yeah, early read firming up.

Vote Shadi

Fair do's.

so you're not giving reads, while giving reads in the quoted posts. Your posts are contradicting.

what 'reads' are you seeing

Ask for a name.

but so far I'm having a town read on Krab more or less

and then

I just thought I could share my thoughts

contradicts with:

I wasn't giving reads myself

and

I want to work my own reads out of other people's reads instead of spamming reads more than Google is used.

True, as I said earlier I forgot I gave a read on him. Guilty as charged if you really wanna keep jumping on that fact be my guest.

[Shadi1337]

just trust me here

shadi is so scum i can't be bothered to build a full case on him, my strongest scumread

he's

that

scum.

Pedit: 13, not talking to me, mostly throwing out reads with limited (imo) interaction, at least different from the other games we've played, and 689

And you're gonna realise you're that retarded if I get lynched.

[Shadi1337]

appeal to fear

except i'm a cocky bitch

try a different route

Your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

Granted, I kinda forgot I gave a read on Krab and therefore stated I didn't give any reads so I'm guilty as charged there and contradicted myself. Reason for the read in case anybody cares; He stood out extremely town to me in this game because if you look at the Maestro newbie newbie game he was being quite aggressive while he's more careful and gives more time to his posts and reads.

Defence is a decent weapon, but I seem to have used it wrong.

I just want to point out that playing as a hydra tends to make it more difficult to play aggressively, if what you mean by aggressive play is being proactive, putting timely votes down, etc. It's not impossible, and it gets easier with more games played as partners. The timing of synch-ups and in-hydra discussions affects the timing of decisive in-thread activities.

No, he attacked a lot of players for small stuff and was much more eager to get wagons going.

[Shadi1337]

But yeah, I guess he might be forced to be more passive but the way he is in this game is nothing like the way he was in my previous game with him at all.

[Shadi1337]

Yes it built up.

[Shadi1337]

Granted, I kinda forgot I gave a read on Krab and therefore stated I didn't give any reads so I'm guilty as charged there and contradicted myself. Reason for the read in case anybody cares; He stood out extremely town to me in this game because if you look at the Maestro newbie newbie game he was being quite aggressive while he's more careful and gives more time to his posts and reads.

You give a "more or less" townread
You say you don't give reads.
You say you only posted the read because he was extremely towny

That's just not right...

Built up?? That's bs...

Let me summarise what happened:


>I gave a read on Krab later on forgetting I did so
>I said: I didn't give any readS
>I gave a somewhat read as it was back then
>My read built up by Krab continuing his town behaviour
>I say the read is now stronger

Why is that bullshit?

Hey people, town can't forget anything; did you know?
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Also where did I say I posted the read BECAUSE I thought he was extremely townish? I might have missed something but I just looked up my own ISO and didn't find anything. Also if you look at 261 after I, myself, asked for some explanations in 260 I always welcomed questions. If you notice what happens to the tryhards, they get the "herpderp u try too hard to look townie right now" for giving a full reads list or a reads list after looking "scummy".

[Shadi1337]

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

[Shadi1337]

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??

I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.

What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.

[Shadi1337]

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??

I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.

What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.

Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.
Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point.

I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose

It is not, and yes you're an being an idiot.
And maybe noone's backing you up as it's not that strong, and/or have stronger reads. Also a human act you don't seem to accept.

Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

My goodness, why don't you actually SHOW us the game you're referencing instead of wasting your time making a pretty box?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000 (my first game on site btw) I don't really see why Cabd thinks I'm that strong of a town, but then again he read my ass pretty fucking well in this game and with that I don't mean alignment as Cab was scum but my thoughts and future actions. He hasn't yet seen me as a confirmed scum to say what my town meta is and not, although I guess it's a similar feeling I have with him now but this time I'm reading town.

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??

I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.

What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.

Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.

Now hold on. Someone changing their mind or getting a different vibe from a player is quite common. I noticed what Shadi has done and he's not getting off the hook that easy.

Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point. I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose

But, neither are you. For me, you sitting here trying to make a case from the timing of his posts is a terrible argument to try and make a stand on. Complaining about no one backing you up on it doesn't help your case against Shadi either.

Shadi

, your case is a very piss poor one too. Firstly, how does you not giving reads and forming them through other reads help any case you're trying to make right now? I'm willing to accept the fact that you are human and therefor are susceptible to error as far as your posting issue goes. But, from a player stand point, you trying to use other reads to form your own reads REEKS of something scum would do.

As of now, besides Crab, who do YOU

Shadi

have where in your reads? And don't give me this "I don't have reads" bullcrap either.

@MetalSonic

Why the vote on Orc?

-Fenix

As I said earlier pls give me names then I will give a few reads. I don't really understand why reading other people's reads and form your own out of actions and possible groups is scum, I can see why scum would do it but I really don't see why it's a stupid villager move. Isn't that how most wagons and such start?

You're not getting my point either. I'll try and explain one more time:

Shadi:
I have a more or less town read on this guy.

x amount of posts later:


Shadi:
I don't share my reads

Stubbs:
you did --> points at first post

Shadi:
yeah but I only shared because he was extremely towny at that time.



Can you not see the contradiction in this?

I already flipping told you I see the contradiction with saying I had reads and then not, if it's honestly the one thing you're trying to point out then fine you've already done so and I agreed ages ago. I forgot I typed one read sue me. And I never said "I ONLY SHARED COZ HE WAS EXTREMELY TOWN AT THAT TIME" I just said IN CASE ANYBODY CARES I THINK HE LOOKS EXTREMELY TOWNISH

As for the read, it's completely natural to get a different read later. So I will repeat: If you're gonna jump on that you might want to question what's really scummish.

my point is not that he made an error. If he had said. My bad, I screwed that up, I would have let it go.
But he started lying about his reason for sharing, which I think is what scum does, not town.

It's what I've been saying the entire f***** time, please iso I never said "I only posted coz he seems extremely townish". Why do people follow obviously blatant/twisted and fabricated words of this silver tongue?

[Shadi1337]

Granted, I kinda forgot I gave a read on Krab and therefore stated I didn't give any reads so I'm guilty as charged there and contradicted myself. Reason for the read in case anybody cares; He stood out extremely town to me in this game

Your reason for the "more or less towny" read is he stood out extremely town.

That's exactly what it says.

That is not exactly what it says. I meant reason for the current read.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

Woopsie wrong account

@Mod

Sorry. Posted from my OTHER profile by mistake.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

-Fenix

That's better, now let's get at it.

Dramonic

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Voting history:

Calcifer #49
unvote to vote on Mac #105

Posting history:

#49 votes on Calc with no explanation why, could be some proddodge and or kind of rvs but it's a bit late as post #49.
#105 again a vote without any explained reason
#139 "ofc crab, ofc" as in a way of defence to Krabd's vote which was based on him just doing nothing
#149 same as #139
#169 States he's starting to get town reads
#236 Asking if people are serious in this type of game (normal).
#318 Trying to say he won't change his (condescneding) behaviour.
#323 A joke regarding his not contributing behaviour
#458 I dno wtf this was an answer to, cba looking but doesn't look interesting
#734 Says what Serene meant by her (imma say her as iirc it's what the profile says) post saying we should prioritise lynching the mafia rather than counting them as we won't really get an answer.
#736 see 734

Conclusion:

Now on one hand the dodging situations and crappy town performance might lead to him being scum. It could also mean he's very uninterested town. He seems to be generally uninterested in the game so it could very well be the case. All in all I think he's leaning

scum

, he hasn't placed a vote since ever and all his posts haven't contributed to the game one bit. At least as it stands he's completely useless for the townies.

Prohawk

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Voting history:

#176 Shadi
#317 unvotes Shadi to vote KingCrabd
#393 Unvotes KingCrabd to vote BROsideon

Posting history:

#7 Requests that RVS stops
#8 Announces he has a better plan than RVS
#10 4 people idea vote commenced, a bit scummy but not as strong as I saw it. It is a bad idea in a way because scum can always somehow pick the same name.
#18 Questions why the idea is bad.
#21 Defends his plan and says it's a WIFOM based game so plans have to be like that as well.
#176 Goes a bit fuckall and says he receives a shielding scumvibe from me and therefore places his vote on me
#184 still argues for his plans and explains the shieldvibe on me
#317 Unvotes on me for agreeing that I was wrong, votes on Krabd for having a vote on a null read over a scum read and being more silent than he was at first. States his full agreement with #262 and therefore wouldn't oppose a BROseidon lynch.
#384 States that he wants more votes on Krab because of his vote
#393 Bases his vote due to meta with BROseidon on him due to that not being his response not being his meta-town-like-him.
#662 Doesn't feel like catching him and states his inability to get a feeling with the players as he hasn't had any experience with him and keeps his vote.
#667 Explains his vote is due to Bro's unusual amount of fear for scum manipulation
#671 States that he's not in harmony with Denek's opinion
#673 Shows his loath on the hate on his aforementioned 4-people-idea.
#763 States he doesn't want a lynch on me, says that Bro's wagon is dying due to his absence and questions Cabd whether he should be judged from his meta or not.

Conclusion:

I think he's

town

as it seems like he retracts opinions if there are good arguments against and stays with his votes if he has good arguments for or disagrees. It shows general town behaviour due to the possibility of influencing. The only thing that takes him down a bit was his "RVS idea" but it's far from enough from going
on his ass

Serene

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Voting history:

Calcifier #666 666 what a evil vote

Posting history:

#638 Announce arrival and commencement of analysis.
#646 Saying that revealing the heads would say too much about them and they'd get lynched (implying that those 2 are players we should fear)
#649 Announces fear of death and reason for not disclosing hydra heads.
#652 read list but no reasons
#664 gives reasons for read because "she's" good at it?
#666 Claims to vote on him to restore harmony, yet no real reason why the vote would bring that result.
#672 Says she's sure Irish is town and is basing her vote on Calc for voting on Irish whose alignment is town. In addition to that he supported the 4-man policy lynch and called it insane. Therefore sees Calc as scum
#677 States she's happy with Dramonic's starting behaviour, or rather votes, but it was less pleasing when he began targeting her own town reads.
#678 Vaguely says that Zdenek's reads are accurate and scum are disagreeing. I didn't get the last part.
#710 #2 Hydra head announces arrival and comes to my rescue but also states she hasn't read the entire thread, yet.
#728 A comment about motherly love(?) in response to #727.
#730 Sets a priority to lynch rather than calculating mafia member amounts.
766 Announces that one head sees Mac as scum due to his meta behaviour and being tired of being scum and also asks if Bulba replaced Mac.
#767 One head reads me as townie but the other doesn't, calls me an village idiot and therefore townie.
#768 Disclaimer that it's the head that hasn't caught up and promises a united read tonight.

Conclusion:

It's difficult as they both have totally different reads. It seems like the entire hydra is good at setting priorities and going on decent leads. She interacts and reads a lot, for now she's

leaning townie

to me but I'll have to see with the united read which should hopefully be around the corner. Although as a side note she seems to stay concise and gets straight to the point although this might come out a bit vague. She is very steadfast that Calc is scum.

The Goat

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Voting history:

Stevie #366

Posting history:

#254 Announces his acknowledgement of the thread's location and/or the game start. Saying he's busy and will catch up later but that Steve already caught his attention with his pushing and omgus vote. And questions Nero's scum kills
#366 He mentions TSO and Metal bicker a lot and that it's difficult to get reads because of that. His initial read on Steve withstands and thefore he places his first vote on him and hasn't removed it as of the time I'm typing this post.
#461 Seems confused because of Brian's behaviour on his claim.
#655 Mentions a lot of minor problems coming in his way and thus his reason for inactivity.
#764 Looking to be replaced

Conclusion:

His unawareness of the game start and vote on Steve weren't too shabby if he had continued to play I'd probably be leaning town on him. But because he got off so cheaply my read is still a

null

on that slot.

Ankamius

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Voting history:

Nero #14
Unvote Nero to vote BROseidon #108

Posting history:

#14 RVS vote on Nero and claims to not wanting to follow the 4-man plan
#28 Explains why he thinks the idea is dumb
#41 Says he might see what Zdenek is seeing in Irish but it's not enough for a scumtell
#108 Gives a small readslist and votes on Bro who is the only he sees as town and Irish seems to stand out of his town list as "bad town"
#135 Explains that he thinks TIP is town but if he lives for long he needs to be lynched due to being a distraction
#145 Check #41
#147 Comments on the self-vote but not sure what it is due to the situation being unlike the time he did it himself
#148 Disclaimer that #147 was directed to calc
#225 New reads list with a few reads but this time they are somewhat explained
#249 Check #41
#250 Announces Stevie is scum but FoS
#259 Wants more votes on Bro
#262 Explains why he thinks the 4-man-idea is very bad and why he thinks Bro's posts are terrible.
#277 Says Bro should die first followed by T S O or Stevie
#279 lols at Rift saying he's bussing his buddies
#282 Speaks his opinion of the slot that tunneled him and explains why that vote was retarded.
#288 Saying that if you haven't noticed that things are thrown at him you haven't read the thread
#294 Stating he's annoyed.
#328 States he's the only one who has a justified vote on Bro and if not then at least the most recent one. And why T S O's reason to see him a scum is awful and gives a situation where he was proactively thinking of LyLo and now TIP could bring harm at that point and that "Mastin" can confirm it. He says he'll come back to Calcifier later.
#329 Says it might not have happened anyway but that he should still be null on it
#333 Disclaimer for #329
#338 Argues why Stevie is scum
#341 Says thanks to a hbd greeting
#375 States he doesn't like Domo's full read posts but that he's town
#379 States why he doesn't like full reads posts
#381 Strengthening #379
#462 States his reaction on Brian's scum claim
#501 Claims the scumclaim gave him a townvibe
#685 Speaking of a past game that I cannot be bothered to check for.
#746 Check #685

Conclusion:

Town

, his votes, arguments and reasons are often backed up and he uses arguments forth and back and explains why he does the actions he's doing. He is not too easy to influence and is very determined about his votes which made me wonder but there's the aforementioned point with that he always explains his situation very well. He seems to be very steadfast about lynching Bro and sees Bro as strong scum and that part of him never wavers.

DOMO

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Voting history:

TMMT #211
Unvote #368
BRP #480
BRO #481
zdenek #654

Posting history:

Hokay these guys have a fuckton of posts so imma keep the comments/analysis even shorter...

#167 Claims to request replacement if his second hydra head doesn't pop up and that he has no one really standing out that much yet.
#186 Questions Prohaw's intention ebhind voting me and why me and not the rest as well
#211 Saying TMMT's posts are starting to look more "fluff" although his intention is that they look less Fluff and votes on him as well
#310 Claiming to have had family problems and is now catching up.
#311 Signs the post above
#312 Calcifier and zdenek town, scumread on bro and weaker scum reads on stevie and tip
#313 Signs the above post
#360 Claims to be in agreement with his other head and apologises for his absence and says he'll stay from now on
#368 Unvotes and gives a large null/scum list and says he prefers a doc or bro lynch the most but needs to talk with his other head so keeps a non vote until then.
#370 Says Nero feels good except for one of his posts he questions MS's no claims and therefore has an alarm on him
#376 Unfunny comment
#377 Questions why anka doesn't like full posts
#378 Signs his above post
#380 Starts to see how full list reads may help scum
#387 Notes his gut feelings on Bro
#400 Explains his read on Calc and Ank to be town.
#401 signs his above post
#421 Explains his notes nad reasons why he stated his notes
#422 signs the above post
#480 Tries to vote bro and agrees with MS's read
#481 Successfully votes bro
#487 Defines "good" and asks if anything is compelling
#496 Argues against the average chance and asks Metal Sonic for some read(s)
#516 Meta question...
#518 lol
#519 meta talk
#521 more meta talk
#549 Starts seeing Zd more as scum than before or rather less town, sees Orc as town
#552 Explains of his cautiousness of voting on people he reads as town
#554 Explains which wagons he'd be ok with (bro doc and zdne) and says he gave up on his other head and doesn't mind "random" voting patterns too much.
#564 Explains his view on that ragequit
#577 Heavily makes a barrage of attack questions to Zdenek. Also blames possible terrible gameplay on weed and old meta which I don't really like too much.
#578 Asks Stubbs why he votes nero
#581 Doesn't like the Nero wagon
#583 He can see why people are voding zde
#584 Sticks to bro but can shift to doc if that's where the votes go
#590 Elaborates his reads in a good way and shows doubt and is honest and saying the reason why he might think something although it doesn't seem like the case. Sticks with his preferred lynch targets
#592 Question's ff'as meta
#594 Joke about hydra and avatar
#597 Response to an above post
#599 Talking about an ongoing game so tries to end the convo
#601 Town read because of activity due to him being hyper-active as scum
#605 Feels like people on the nero wagon could very well be scum due to that being an attempt to divert attention from the wagons he sees as town-motivated wagons
#609 Claims that they could be orking together (bro, doc, stevie and stubbs) then he says fuck it they are actually all scum.
#613 BRO = doc > stubbs > stevie is his list from strongest left to right weakest
#615 Says orc dropped a couple of towncred points
#619 Explains he cannot read dram yet
#621Thinks MS is more interested in the game than he usually are in other game(s) and TSO's hydra questions feel like they are just reasons to post
#626 Possible lynch but weak for now.
#632 Thinks Stubbs is scummy for focusing on the nero wagon while only giving 2 town reads or so.
#633 Question's why orc sees Irish as scum
#639 Sees a good post and agree to some arguments Stubbs used in the post and asks for Serene's hydra heads.
#654 Thinks Zdenek is oblivious because he thinks that he hasn't explained the vote on bro throughout the game.
#702 Comments on some of the events that happened (while having a hangover) says he doesn't hate the wagon on me but he's satisfied with his vote so keeps it there. Reads both Calc and Serene as town despite one voting the other. Wants to note that people are forgetting bro and doc and therefore votes are splitting.
#703 Comments that Stubb is looking more town recently
#704 Typo fix
#738 Rev going v/la

Conclusion:

Probably one of the most genuine

town

reads I have. The people he sees scum are very likely to be scum and he holds his cases and gives in in case it's needed or people argue why they shouldn't be voted on (you can clearly see that when he retracts his vote from Stubbs) What I saw a bit weird was him asking who Serene was the heads of, does that imply you know everyone else? It seems a bit like a plot to get Serene to say what she said so Serene had a reason to stay she feared revealing for getting killed. Am I being too paranoid and crazy right now?


I spent quite long on this post, much more than I anticipated to use... oh well I hope it doesn't go to a waste.

[Shadi1337]

So, when we lynch Shadi, we can use that list to find his partners
And people, don't quote fucking walls

Still mad at my self-lynch?

[Shadi1337]

Oh no Shadi, that is in the past

Fair do's, reason for your (I guess it wasn't a joke ?) scum read? And pardon me if you already said it later but I have to iso once more today I'm going to kill myself. (Hence I'm giving my read on Steve tomorrow MS, btw).

[Shadi1337]

If you already said it earlier*
And kill myself irl, not in-game again

[Shadi1337]

I'm quite sure I had one game where me and Irish were alive at the same time.. oh god let me look brb.

[Shadi1337]

Ah yes here goes:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28794

I didn't really think we were in 3 games together already O_o. That Yoshi avatar gave you an entire different personality.

But as Cabd noticed and that I quickly noticed you did indeed refer to the newbie game; then again you could have isoed and analysed me to see whom I voted on due to flipping town upon my death. (Screw you Cab!!)

[Shadi1337]

Cabd*

[Shadi1337]

Yo. Rarefaction is ongoing game, no talkie.

Nacho, that big post should have warmed your big townie heart... if you have it this time around.

Wow... is it still not done. My bad lol.

Hoh well, also do remember that this is my third or fourth game on site (the site where I usually play is quite different). I'm bound to become a little different and shape myself at first by experiencing different styles.

[Shadi1337]

What I remember before the forums derped:

Orc said that my reads wall only had content of the game and no actual analysis other than the little part tacked on it under the conclusion in which Serene posted that this wasn't the case and those posts showed how he came to his conclusion. I also answered Orc this:

When you deal with an analysis we need 3 levels of analysis.

First is, what? --> We all know this is mafia and we all know our goals so skip this level

Second is talking about the problem within the case, state what's exactly going on.

Third --> How do we solve it and what conclusions are there of the case.

I also asked Orc what he'd like to see different in future reads from me. (iirc a couple of others wanted reads, but I'm not going to do it again as I said to Stubbs on that page it's extremely time-consuming) or well, it'd be fine if the user doesn't have a lot of posts.

p-edit:

Lol Cabd, your play style was quite different there I should probably have metaed you, I thought aggressiveness was just you but this game shows otherwise.

Also Cabd, how do you know I don't do this as scum? I haven't flipped scum in any game yet for you to make a difference, maybe you see a lot of similarities but you cannot know if I wouldn't do it as a scum player?

[Shadi1337]

Shadi, in the interest of saving everybody time, can you tell me which of those offsite games you were scum in?

Also rift, you beat me to goonies, I was going there next.

I play on three pages

neondragon (what you linked exactly)
this
and a private one (the private one has similar gameplay to this but always closed role set and nearly always role madness games)

[Shadi1337]

That's not what I asked shadi.

Link me to your scum meta plz kthnx.

Well I haven't had many games where I was scum, here's my scum history pretty much:

In 2 I was converted to scum very late in the games

In one I was very uninterested, there's one (recent) game I guess..., I'm here to improve my scum game as I haven't had many on neon but same shit here Also on my third page I played 4 games or so already, 0 scum >_<
http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=17758

[Shadi1337]

Lold @ ur read on me Bulba sounds confused. Made my day.
p-edit:

Imo I didn't really sheep, sheeping is not necessarily bad either if the opinion is right I brought a little new info. As for Dramonic, it's difficult adding anything to that read for dead obvious reasons. He's being anti-town but so anti-town that he could just be town. Anyway, as I think I might have asked for once or twice (derp page lost some info) what difference would you like within my reads? I'd like a new method as this one was extremely time-consuming, anyway.

[Shadi1337]

is right/good** and I brought**

[Shadi1337]

Well, I'm not asking you to say what I'm saying about the people but what are you specifically searching for. Connections, less obviousness posting history) etc?

[Shadi1337]

asking you to say what I should say*

[Shadi1337]

Missing some posts: from what I can remember I'll summarize.

I said Shadi's large reads post felt forced and that it felt like he had to make up for not posting any reads earlier.

Shadi admitted that he did want to make up for not sharing earlier but that he wasn't going to do such large posts again because they are too time-consuming.

That's all I remember. Correct me if I'm wrong, Shadi.

I remember asking Shadi why he doesn't just post his reads when they come up instead of putting so much work into that one post. I cannot remember what the answer was, if there was an answer at all.

I remember all of that but I'm not sure about the last which could be a sign of that I didn't answer/read it. Tbh most of the reads did come up as I was typing, I don't really like to admit that as it seems quite anti-town to not try by default but that's the truth.

I'm looking for your thought process

Now give me your read on me

I believe I already said I thought you were scum but as I'm typing this post I will check your iso and re-consider (might end up as scum again) it should be here tomorrow or so, my last exam is tomorrow so I rather prioritise that to be honest after that I'm free as a bird.. And I decided to somewhat do the same method but not the entire posting history, honestly it took too god damn long although I really liked that method.

[Shadi1337]

Yo, my last exam is over. Despite really wanted to sleep I have delayed my answers here quite a bit. Catching up with a reads on Orc.

[Shadi1337]

the fact that I really wanted*

[Shadi1337]

I'll start with isoing orc before I catch up.

#526 = Town read on Prohakwk because of his crazy approach
#527 = Mentions what Bro said looks forced, so read shouldn't be that townish I guess.
#528 = Mentions he likes Stevie's posts despite him being wrong (elaborate?)
#533 = Reads Bro as strong town and Stevie as well is his second strongest, those 2 are his strongest reads
#537 = Announces Nero as probably town but wanted a list
#543 = Vote on me and starts seeing me as scum, I obviously didn't like that vote as it was placed without a reason
#548 = Announces Zdenek should be a bigger worry than me
#596 = Interesting, he manages to call scum on like three players after calling it on me as well.
#663 = Sees Prohawk as better as good for voting on
#688 = What makes that so townish?
#694 = Your hardcore read on me as scum, can I ask what your current view is?
#712 #715 = Seems a bit too sure/forced, imo. But then again maybe it's biased as it's a scum read on me, nearly all your reads sound very strong
#835, = I firmly disagree


You seem to force some actions and you sound too sure about stuff. The people you read as scum as little as I like to admit it are people I could see being scum as well. You seem to make reads too fast though and throw them left to right and your thoughts lack organisation and logic sometimes, you seem to forget a case too fast and jump onto the other. So far in my very, very short experience on MS that's usually scum play. However, because of the people you target and some of your thoughts you process I can't really read you that well yet I'd have to say null.

Yeah this post is probably disappointing but w/e I'm gonna catch up now.

[Shadi1337]

Rift Adrift and Crab make some good points on Shadi's gameplay. I'm not convinced he's town yet, but I think there are better options for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Back to the dead weight.

How cute. Bulba starts calling us scum after the site deleted our post where i referred to him as scum.

Rift Adrift and Crab make some good points on Shadi's gameplay. I'm not convinced he's town yet, but I think there are better options for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Back to the dead weight.

I'm not dead-weight, I just don't put any faith in Day 1.

So you're dead weight on day 1, at least

So you're dodging my questions, avoiding giving actual analysis, and trying to discredit my points. Remind me why you're not scum again?

Because, and I can't stress this enough


I HAVENT READ THE FUCKING GAME YOU SCUM FUCK

Hi, Kuribo

this is Kuribo's town play from the one game I've had with him, can't really call a lie on him catching up. Not sure if he does this as scum, I cba to metadive.

[Shadi1337]

I'm not sure I'm the biggest fan of the pressure given on Bulba, it's not like he defends it in a bad way.

[Shadi1337]

Also Bulba, it's what Kuribo always does. Just yell his gut feelings out and they can be both wrong and right, however, he can't admit being wrong.

[Shadi1337]

I think I'm starting to see Stubbs as more town than before

Also, whether you are town or mafia you are being completely dead-weight atm.

VOTE: dramonic

I will probably change my vote, just rather have it at a place I feel confident rather than nowhere.

[Shadi1337]

Rift Adrift and Crab make some good points on Shadi's gameplay. I'm not convinced he's town yet, but I think there are better options for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Back to the dead weight.

How cute. Bulba starts calling us scum after the site deleted our post where i referred to him as scum.

Rift Adrift and Crab make some good points on Shadi's gameplay. I'm not convinced he's town yet, but I think there are better options for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Back to the dead weight.

I'm not dead-weight, I just don't put any faith in Day 1.

So you're dead weight on day 1, at least

@Bro, I also dislike his language. I flipped out on it in an earlier game, but is it not allowed to swear/insult? (I don't actually know)

[Shadi1337]

like, seriously, as a player you rank somewhere near UberNinja



or shadi

Stop being butthurt, the guy whose instincts go on nothing but gut is trying to lecture people. This is some weird-ass ying-yang hydra. Kuribo aggressive and constantly attacking while one is peaceful and puts a lot of thoughts into his actions.

[Shadi1337]

Rift Adrift and Crab make some good points on Shadi's gameplay. I'm not convinced he's town yet, but I think there are better options for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Back to the dead weight.

How cute. Bulba starts calling us scum after the site deleted our post where i referred to him as scum.

Rift Adrift and Crab make some good points on Shadi's gameplay. I'm not convinced he's town yet, but I think there are better options for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Back to the dead weight.

I'm not dead-weight, I just don't put any faith in Day 1.

So you're dead weight on day 1, at least

also mod can you update the votes pls?

[Shadi1337]

wtf i didn't quote anything, disregard that O_o, must have had it on multiquote.

[Shadi1337]

More importantly, why the fuck has everyone jumped on me? <_<

So you would consider posting at least something.

Ma main man Stubbs.

[Shadi1337]

More importantly, why the fuck has everyone jumped on me? <_<

I dunno, might have something to do with the fact you haven't done fuckall since RVS?

And ma main girl/man (whatever that Hydra conists of)

[Shadi1337]

hahaha, I guess there are more men here, does that make Rift more manly than she should be?

[Shadi1337]

More importantly, why the fuck has everyone jumped on me? <_<

So you would consider posting at least something.

Grats, I just posted twice!

Ironically enough you have made more effort today than you have in the entire game.

[Shadi1337]

If anybody has had a normal scum game where Kuribo was both a long-time survivor and scum can I have a link? I need to see if he's mentally impaired as scum too.

[Shadi1337]

Well he is still being/was being dead weight.

And yes the head has denied being Kuribo but somebody (I don't remember who anymore) mentioned him using the same phrases and his raging is something only he does.

Well anyway then, I'm fine with at least keeping him till next round he says it's due to R1.UNVOTE:

[Shadi1337]

From my experience, scum are careful with their votes. Voting hesitance I have found to be in close correlation with scum.

So far it's a bit opposite with me, but then again my story here is extremely short.

[Shadi1337]

Welcome back.

[Shadi1337]

@Mod

I unvoted in #1138

Granted, looks weird to do @end post but yh

~Corrected

[Shadi1337]

Leaning town.

Could be some residual guilt involved. I replaced out of a game over an issue with the mod. Was so pissed I didn't post an update on my reads, and left him to the tender mercies of kuribo who eventually replaced into my slot.

But, despite his stance in that game, which does ring all sorts of objective-scum bells, I got a sense of town motivation out of it all eventually.

I just finished a newbie game with Shadi, I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt that he's scum so I hope that wagon is buried in the ground by now.

don't have time to catch up now but I have time for this!

Vote: BulbaFenix

Who are your heads again?

[Shadi1337]

Yes we have

And Shadi's wall is ass

But town.

What do you think makes my wall town, and do you agree it's "ass"? In addition, what makes me so town here? What difference did I in the newbie game? You must remember I was in a huge-ass pinch there and other than following Gameite's horrible gameplay I couldn't have done much.

[Shadi1337]

Also, I am pretty sure you picked up on the point in the thread where I decided to go with that.

I did.

What do you think makes my wall town, and do you agree it's "ass"? In addition, what makes me so town here? What difference did I in the newbie game? You must remember I was in a huge-ass pinch there and other than following Gameite's horrible gameplay I couldn't have done much.

No, I don't think it's ass. It was very entertaining. But I do think that the way you crumpled under the slot's pressure showed that you can't handle pressure the way you have here; I understand that yeah you'll play a better game when the slot is not one you inherited, but I think that if you were capable of faking something like that as scum I would've seen at least a glimpse of it.

A lot of that decision came from the BP claim that I had not noticed, if I had acted so horribly here here the previous rounds I would have done the same (I think). Then again that was my only scum game so far so maybe I am wrong.

[Shadi1337]

-1x here (obv)

[Shadi1337]

umm okay xD Well this doesn't hurt me so let's keep it there.

[Shadi1337]

That really reads like scum who lurked out of trouble and is now trying for town points.

Whom was this directed towards again? The answer might be on the thread but it's 3:41 PM and I haven't slept all night so please bear with me xD

Good night.

[Shadi1337]

Scum ^
VOTE: Cephrir

Only scum read!

[Shadi1337]

haha that post again, Cab?

[Shadi1337]

I'm not sure I like the Calc wagon, not really receiving those overly scum vibes from him/her.

[Shadi1337]

Hmm, in which post do you point out Calc as scum the first time? I want to read your analysis again after all your bantering I forgot.

[Shadi1337]

in my case I am OK with the last two.

[Shadi1337]

Willing to lynch: Bulba,

Cephrir/Doc Holliday

, TMT, The Goat

Walk with me now, I will walk with you tomorrow.

Let's rattle Calcifer. Apples might fall.

And then apple pie for all!

This is a very, very convincing argument. Who can resist pie?

[Shadi1337]

It's funny to see how Cep is pages behin', I'm more interested in his thoughts when he's updated.

[Shadi1337]

Must be hell catching up this many pages lol

[Shadi1337]

Other than me who are your scum reads now, Ceph?

p-edit: nvm, you just posted lol.

[Shadi1337]

spending four hours on something to be told your product is worthless is really demoralizing

It's not worthless, it's helping us knowing who's town or not. A similar feeling I had regarding my 797.

Also, are you guys really sure Calc should be lynched this round? I am really not that convinced, can we summarise the scummy posts/actions Calc has brought?

[Shadi1337]

And juxtapose it with the town ones.

[Shadi1337]

Should almost post a tally for each vote

[Shadi1337]

I don't really understand what's going on.

What I meant is that I was confused over the fact that he had a town read on me due to my meta and how he could see that as enough. (After all he used that Newbie game as his MAIN argument)

I then (as I wrote that) thought about it and realised I pretty much have the same thing with him so maybe I shouldn't have questioned that. The difference is I read him town this time, if you compare his aggressive style and wagon-jumping in newbie newbie he's like an entirely different person. Much more calm and thinking twice about his analysis and actions. I would have read his aggressiveness as town motivation if I didn't know it was his scum game, but it's all gut.

[Shadi1337]

the last sentence refers to the newbie game again, if anybody wonders. here's the link (again): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000 it was a really good role setup, is this a common one? I always see that "3 role set possibility"-table which sucks..

[Shadi1337]

oo I think I'm getting it, no please read the word "confirmed" as in flipped/confirmed (confirmed as in end game or so)-kinda scum

[Shadi1337]

What is snarkbucket

[Shadi1337]

I really want to see a VC.

Just done a calcifer ISO, I don't see the scum case on him at all. Nacho meta isn't going to cut it alone. If anyone has any actual dirt on him, I've missed it. There's way scummier targets imo.

bulba ISO next...

Thank you I was worried I was the only one @ Calc...

[Shadi1337]

Domo, what's your read on me?

[Shadi1337]

Sounds good, waiting excitingly for the result. Hope you'll get at least something out of it.

[Shadi1337]

I think 1580 is pinging, not sure if it's due to the "high" amount of "pressure". I could also be wrong with claiming it's a pinging post?

[Shadi1337]

Does Shadi always play passive-aggressively? Because its making my scumdar twitch a little.

Well I'm not sure. Thinking about it I fit in that category but let's see what the people with meta experience will say I guess..

[Shadi1337]

Well 1580 was weird to me. I am not gonna directly scream scum at the rest, everyone makes weird posts once in a while. In my case every post

[Shadi1337]

YES YES

You're scummy as town, we get it


The horse is dead, kindly stop beating him Shadi

go to sleep..

[Shadi1337]

Yes I replaced into that spot I don't know which round and I didn't catch my predecessor's claim and therefore failed horribly and was pretty much lynched 20 minutes after I made my first post or so lol (Well maybe 20 minutes is an over exaggeration but that's how it felt )

[Shadi1337]

Yes I replaced into that spot I don't know which round and I didn't catch my predecessor's claim and therefore failed horribly and was pretty much lynched 20 minutes after I made my first post or so lol (Well maybe 20 minutes is an over exaggeration but that's how it felt )

Yeah, I scanned the game. Looked painful!

I'm not sure how useful it will be in comparing to this game.

But I am still concerned by your posts after the last week or so. You're not digging in. You're not scumhunting. You're making jokey, fluffy posts.

Well it's mainly because people aren't doing anything than bickering and thinking of a new lynch target. If you wanna go for me, fine but at least find somebody to lynch. If you haven't noticed 90% of the posts is Serene's bitching.

[Shadi1337]

anything other than*, if you wanna go for me, fine. * (punctuation!)

[Shadi1337]

I read your post about shadi but I'm not sure what to make of it. You're kind of unique in the good way, I've never seen another player do that like you have. Maybe Shadi is secretly your lovechild, I dunno.

I'm liking the townbloc just fine, or did you mean something more specific?

???? what does this mean

[Shadi1337]

VOTE: Nero

[Shadi1337]

Well, to be fair, I expected pope to follow right along. It's what he does.

Shadi sheeping us is a bit more off, but whatever.

Well it's mainly because people aren't doing anything than bickering and thinking of a new lynch target. If you wanna go for me, fine but at least find somebody to lynch. If you haven't noticed 90% of the posts is Serene's bitching.

anything other than*, if you wanna go for me, fine. * (punctuation!)

Basically I just wanna see something going. For me I think Steve would be better but I am OK with Nero..

[Shadi1337]

You have 30 pages alone..........

[Shadi1337]

How many are against a Stevie wagon?

[Shadi1337]

Orc

whoa

Just some reads that seem wrong to me, and a few posts that have made my scumdar twitch.

I'm not sure I see orc as scum? Which posts pinged? I was a bit suspicious of his read on me but I think it was town-motivated.

[Shadi1337]

Orc

whoa

Just some reads that seem wrong to me, and a few posts that have made my scumdar twitch.

I'm not sure I see orc as scum? Which posts pinged? I was a bit suspicious of his read on me but I think it was town-motivated.

[Shadi1337]

WHat I disliked was the reasoning. But you may very well be right, I'm not as sold on him as my other scumreads. If Shadi flips town I'll probably drop him entirely.

Drop whom? Stubbs?

[Shadi1337]

Also Serene, if Nero flips town any new thoughts? And if Nero flips scum, who do you think should be hung next?

[Shadi1337]

shadi shut the fuck up

I didn't say I'd follow it. Also calm down, you are better than Serene.

[Shadi1337]

if nero flips town i'm ignoring you, just fyi

Implying we aren't already ignoring him..

[Shadi1337]

can you guys just make a promise to a dying man to completely ignore serene/insult him once I flip town.

Well at least if it's based on vague (meta) information, then yes I will try to hold onto that.
Are you already on 13 votes or? I almost feel like unvoting Nero as we speak.

[Shadi1337]

I might be naive but he seems deadly confident and I don't see why he still runs that Serene announcement if he dies if he is town as he already said it twice already.

[Shadi1337]

Calcifier seems off compared to last round, or at least not the "usual" Calcifier; is this the other head?
Why do people still see Serene as strong town after what happened last round? He intentionally fucked someone he "knew" was town over when another lynch was still possible (granted, under much pressure but possible) I guess a wagon after Nero's would have been more suspicious as it seems like vote-sniping but the result should have been better on a possible mafia, right?
I used to support the Stevie wagon but I'm really not sure anymore, now it just seems like we're hunting his ass because of very early r1 derps that didn't last forever iirc. I guess he wouldn't be the worst to lynch, though.
@Koo, you don't even need to catch up lol, 30-40 of the pages are Serene's nonsensical jumble of words when he went from serene to insane.
@Domo, what makes bro so scum looking @ the results? I may have missed some points as I was checking on my phone quickly - I can see how we are getting leads but you are basically implying the NK changes the entire course what was very correct to look @ was the Nero wagon - who supported it and who didn't, why (not)?

Also guys sorry but V/LA till the 13th. I'm in Austria with some friends, basically only posting as I woke up 8 AM in the morning and they are still sleeping - I might drop in a few posts but would rather prioritise the trip. Not gonna deny that I could end up posting a lot though.

[Shadi1337]

@Bulba I don't necessarily oppose a wagon on him. Just believe most of the stuff is old on him now. And nah, just seeing Calc being different than he used to be; seems more pushy and for less strong reasons. might be me idk

[Shadi1337]

Well Dramonic claimed to be dead weight only R1; so I'm interested if his approach is gonna change this round.

[Shadi1337]

Where's the off button? It never stops....

[Shadi1337]

ppl pls, stop quoting walls.

[Shadi1337]

Your original read on me was scum Zde, what changed as you later on put me in your town pile?

[Shadi1337]

Stubbs, current read of me?

[Shadi1337]

@Host

I am reading this daily just not sure what to post..

[Shadi1337]

What I'm saying is that you apparently have nothing to say unless you are under direct attack


Would you like to be under direct attack? Would it help you post?

To be honest it just seems like most of the posts here are bickering that is the main reason. Yes I'd have to post if it's related to me isn't that a bit obvious?

I thank you for your town read and protection. Also how come you wanna admit being Kuribo now?

[Shadi1337]

DGB?

[Shadi1337]

DGB?

If you're going to pretend to read the thread, at least try and keep up

You caught me red-handed, I do not want to read pages of bickering.

[Shadi1337]

It has really killed my motivation.

[Shadi1337]

I don't even know who's currently being voted on the most.

[Shadi1337]

Hm, vc was on the last page. Thirdkoopa.

Will read up on the thirdkoopa case tonight and see.

[Shadi1337]

VOTE: koopa

[Shadi1337]

For the people who based their arguments on Koopa having previous games; did any iso discussion pop up with him in his past games?

[Shadi1337]

#3223

I don't see why you are voting for me there?

[Shadi1337]

VOTE: BulbaFenix.

I didn't really pin point your name, but can you look @ 3314 pls?

[Shadi1337]

Is 135 pages with this many players really that much.

[Shadi1337]

What's going on? Oh just Serene spamming again, cya tomorrow.

[Shadi1337]

Do we have intend to hammer depending on his claim?

[Shadi1337]

I never really saw Bulba that darn off-setting tbh. I can live with a lynch on him though.

[Shadi1337]

What's going on? Oh just Serene spamming again, cya tomorrow.

For fuck's sake...

This isn't the super involved and motivated town shadi I knew.

Hey vig, free addition to your viglist.

It's hard to stay motivated, guess it's a mix of the 100 pages of nothingness and the high player amount.

[Shadi1337]

Is Bulba -1?

[Shadi1337]

Wait so I'll die? I'm a bit confused, oh well didn't expect to die R1.

[Shadi1337]

Town:
Rift
Domo
Kingcrabd
Stubbs


Scum:
Stevie
Third
Goat
Thirdkoopa
TNT
The goat
Calc recently landed here as well
Dramonic (as I'm that unsure about Serene I dno about Dramonic he hasn't been useful) - now that I die anyway, why do people retract votes @ mason claim? It's easily faked..


I guess.. (rest are a bit nullish)

[Shadi1337]

if you want me to dig into one person quickly then quick say it now and I shall dig. I apologise for being useless but really the shitload of posts and useless spam + so much to read up on really murdered my motivation. I guess I will try to make up for that now b4 gettin' killed.

[Shadi1337]

p-edit: oh...
coz it's crap

[Shadi1337]

I dno why I'd provide town with this crappy reads list as it brings even more confusion.

[Shadi1337]

wtf????

[Shadi1337]

oh and rift is also town.

[Shadi1337]

OK.. I will try..

[Shadi1337]

I don't understand how you all brought this plan along though? Like how did you know Bulba wasn't serious or w/e.

[Shadi1337]

yeah but by saying vengekill doesn't he indirectly claim something new? o_o or you just read the reason?

[Shadi1337]

Serene you were all over the thread after Nero was hammered. Why so quiet?

He KNOW'S he's in trouble once we flip.

-Fenix

First off, if you're town, your wagon wasn't just pushed by me. Zdenek had his own case for example.

Second off, I'm still waiting for metal to address his predecessor's claim

Sometimes I get my reads wrong, we all do. If I was wrong about you, fuck it ill apologize in the Dead QT

I now feel your post hammer stuff has been townish. DGB disagrees. But it's too little too late. You disappeared at key times, you did scummy things, and no I'm not the only person to think so.

Blame me if you flip town if you must. It's really on you though.

Shadi still town, goat still scum.

Can you decide what you see me as? Maybe hydra dissonance?

Calcifer disappearing until now is super fishy btw

Yeah, they were much more active before. I don't find Calc that scummy at first but they started landing in my scum pile later on, this disappearing isn't helping but then again not adding mucho for me.

Stevie flat out sitting back and watching is worse tho^

Agreed.

[Shadi1337]

Shadi you illiterate fucking cow I just said you are town

Maybe I have a soft spot for you after pushing your mislynch in Goonies, but remind me who caught out Bacde and Pigeon in that game? Ok then.

Your reaction to the fake vengekill was town as fuck, no surprise to me. And I have defended you tooth and fucking nail to DGB, so how about you just fucking thank me FOR ONCE for christs sake

DGB here, Amished tell is a 6-ft high pile of half-decomposed compost.

*Sigh*

Maybe koopa is town.

And this strikes a chord with me:
Rift Adrift, Zdenek, KingCrabd, Shadi1337, Baby Spice, Cephrir, BROseidon, BulbaFenix, StevieT92

There's probably 3 scums in that lot.

Shadi, Stevie, one of BRO or Bulba.

Analysis complete from this head.

GREAT KARMIC VIBRATIONS

Serene
TheIrishPope
Ankamius
dramonic
ProHawk
Nero
BROseidon
Baby Spice
DOMO
Mac
orcinus_theoriginal
Rift Adrift (Syryana and fferyllt)
T S O
Zdenek

TEMPTED BY WORLDLY GOODS

KingCrabd
StubbsKVM

SOCIOPATHS

Metal Sonic

SOON TO BE REINCARNATED AS SCUM POND

Calcifer
Doc Holliday >>> loves KingCrabd's terrible reads
StevieT92
TMTOLBTWNTOF
Shadi1337
Brian Hollywood
The Goat

One head has not read the game, and another has a partial read with this scumlist:

Doc Holiday
Calcifer
Stevie

We will adjust with our combined reads.

@Host

I am reading this daily just not sure what to post..

Hi

Kuribo here


This post almost single handedly obliterates my town read on you

Do you know how hard I've worked at explaining to my other heads that you're probably town? Do you know how they thirst? ravenous wolves, they are, hungering for scum flesh. ive stood before you, shield of eighteousneas in hand, staving off both this town and my own heads. this is how you repay me???? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt after Goonies, but my god, shit like this is indefensible.

If you're scum, just say so. Save me the trouble of looking like an idiot when you flip.

Thanks in advance

You start to get the sensation that I was less town here no?

Meanwhile
VOTE: Shadi

Shadi is scum anyway, he's playing to his wincon, we can't complain - we can only lynch him.

And DBG?

I am not ungrateful for you town defence, it just seems off to me.

[Shadi1337]

Shadi in the post I made right before you posted, I said: shadi still town

Pretty fucking cut and dry there.

Yeah but it was swinging so I thought maybe your heads weren't in harmony.

And yeah the reaction to your vengekill was town as fuck

Goat, Letters, Calcifer, Baby Spice, coming around on Steviescum...

I meant to ask what DBG was

serene, please stop talking

just

please

OK have the mod prod me if you need some BS.

or i'll just ask to have you be replaced

You honestly think scum bulba would help me clear shadi after he'd already been lynched, orci?

NO I DON'T THIS IS WHY I AM SAYING THAT BULBA IS TOWN

HOLY SHIT

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

I'M A BIT LATE WITH MY CASE

I TELL FERY WHY HER ANALYSES PROBABLY DON'T WORK

SHE TELLS ME SHE WANTS TO 'FEEL CONVINCED'

WELL I JUST TOLD YOU

WHY ALL OF THE CASE ON BULBA

WAS WATER


AND THEN FUCKING SERENE

YOU TOWN READ BULBA

AND YOU SAID

////NOTHING////

AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE MISLYNCHED OUR SECOND TOWNIE IN A ROW

WHEN WE HAD PEFECTLY GOOD TOWN READS ON THESE TOWNIES

TO AVOID DOING SO

THIS GODDAMN GAME


HOLY SHIT


BROSEIDON

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU



YOU ARE SENSICAL

Kuribo, you're on the wrong account.

If BRO gets lynched, there's something seriously wrong with this town. The sad part is that there are people who are pushing for his lynch.
BRO, Orcinus, Rift, Crabd. There's your core town that can break this game wide open if they are smart about it.

-Bulba

Your list is also wrong

Mason claims should be in lean town, not town

Shadi could very well be faking and I don't understand why this is not being considered

The list should go

BRO>Cabd>DOMO>Masons=Rift

I'm not so sure about bro and orin myself. I agree that Crab and Rift will do well moving town to a correct path.

[Shadi1337]

As for faking it. I'm still confused why that gave me so much towncred so I can see where you're coming from.

[Shadi1337]

Look serene. I personally don't want you to shut up. I just want you three to make like you did in the very first few posts. Work on your reads together, and approach this logically. Stop getting bogged down in circles, and work with us instead of against us. You're like as close as it gets to confotown outside innocent child or dead flipped town in my mind, so please, just work with us for fuck's sake.

I agree, this needs to be done from Serene.

[Shadi1337]

And yeah the reaction to your vengekill was town as fuck

Goat, Letters, Calcifer, Baby Spice, coming around on Steviescum...

This is a good scumlist, Serene is going into my town pile. At least I can relate to them pretty easily (except for Baby, I will iso Baby 2mo as I don't recall that player standing out - so we'll see)

[Shadi1337]

DGB is Dripping Goofball, one of the three heads of the Serene Hydra. It's DGB, Kuribo, and a third person who I know who it is but not telling.

Okay, will you tell after the game?

[Shadi1337]

Irrelevant, but I'm curious about this trio to be honest.

[Shadi1337]

I get secondly and thirdly, but what do you mean with firstly?

[Shadi1337]

If Serene wasn't a town read right now I would have fried Dramonic ... he basically promised to quit being dead-weight this round and he's doing non of that. Well granted, so was I. I'll try to keep up from now on though, especially if Serene can follow KC's advice.

[Shadi1337]

Hi bro. Agree with almost all of that, but shadi is town. His reaction didn't seem faked at all.

I just realised (I'm shooting myself in the foot now right?) that I posted after you explained what happened? Although I was just panicking and pressed send instead of reading the new post lol.

Goat is town. Trust me on this.

Also...

@MS: We likely don't have much time. Stop lurking and avoiding the thread. We need to know who you tracked.

Why is Goat that town to you? If you explained it, then I am sincerely asking you to lead me to that post. I have not been following the game and trying to do so now. And if I iso I'll prolly confuse myself, thanks.

[Shadi1337]

Look at the join date of my replacement clearly he couldn't keep up with the thread so he made up shit

doesn't take a genius

Why am I not a auto town read I am always town

It doesn't take a genius to see that, but it also doesn't take a genius to see that you're trying to go with the "im always town, you guys can trust me" defense/argument and I'm NOT one for trusting that argument... Im dead soon, but I'll be damned if I don't make sure town doesn't have the best set up to try and catch scum when I'm DEAD.

-Fenix

I feel like he could fake a reaction like that. Also, his sudden shift to SUPER LURKER STYLE is pinging for me. If he goes back to contributing and being town-like I'll back off and hunt elsewhere.

As I've explained before I am, myself, really surprised at the amount of town cred I got. It seems to be from a range of players that have worked together up until the game, but in a town-way though..

[Shadi1337]

I feel like he could fake a reaction like that. Also, his sudden shift to SUPER LURKER STYLE is pinging for me. If he goes back to contributing and being town-like I'll back off and hunt elsewhere.

Holy fuck wtf is everybody smoking. Orc we seriously need to take control of this game before Serene drives it further into the ground.

That lynch was horrible and we should lynch Stevie or Ceph tomorrow. I could also do letters, Brian, or Shadi or mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe Ank if we have a strong enough reason to doubt the claim. Calcifer has also been fishy but I think the above are better targets. Hopefully Goat's replacement makes me feel good townie feelings towards that slot because Goat contributed jack shit but seemed honest in his frustration.

Me/Orc/Cabd/Zdenek/Rift is the group that I'm willing to work with right now. DOMO is moving towards that group because of meta but I'm not as sold as Orc. Masons are very likely town but I'm fucking ignoring them because holy fucking shit.

Also, can we try to spam the thread less. Spamming up the thread this much only helps scum. I abused the fuck out of other people spamming up the thread in Xenoblade and I'd rather not let scum do the same here.

Hi, I didn't notice that you posted sorry

Yes we do. Eh, it wasn't that horrible of a lynch, especially considering the amount of misreads on him. Bulba would've had to go at one point or another. It's not his fault, but his presence in the thread would've derailed town a bit I'm pretty sure.

I like a shadi lynch to be honest and I reallllyyyy dislike the town reads on him. The reaction could've been easily faked especially since all you bastards used the technique beyond any reasonable measure

Something I was very curious about was that in goonies shadi fought a lot against being thought of as a newb and really fought tooth and nail to have his opinions heard. He's doing the exact opposite and I'm actually going to draw a parallel between this and fery's first scumgame onsite.

i am okay with spam the more you post and the less you think when you post, the better a read i can develop on you

I fought tooth to nail because I didn't really get why my opinions weren't listened to. I thought I was a good playe and it's what led me to fight for it but I realised I have worlds to learn. And yeah I understand why you see me scummy now.

Also, yes, the Shadi townreads based on that 'fake vengeful' look really half-assed to me. It looks mostly reliant on meta (which is inherently null to me anyway), but it doesn't even look particularly town motivated. It looks more alignment-neutral.

I think you are forgetting that I was not the only one to be freed from the scum-pile by reaction-hunting. Seemed to work with Koopa as well.

Every fucking time we post, we have people telling us our reads are shot, people crying over fucking Nero, people telling us to shut up, people bitching and complaining about spam EVERY FUCKING TIME WE POST? I'm not dealing with that bullshit. If my scumdar is broken this game, it's because I can't stop fucking seeing most of you as scummy little douchebags who would have rather let Nero play the insult game and protect your fucking null reads by dragging every day out forty fucking forevers!

Goat- still scum
Shadi- town
Rift- town
Letters: scum
Sonic- not sure need to look over his reaction to the tracker thing
Ank- if not PR then still scum
Koopa- town
Calcifer- king of all scum

That's what you're getting and you'll be fucking pleased about it. Bulba, sorry you got mislynched if it was in fact a mislynched, but again you refuse to take responsibility for your own role in that.

Tomorrow just votes. You wanted silence you fucking get it.

Pedit: fuck you too sonic, I may be stupid but at least I'm actually playing. And I'm smart enough not to eat a ban for discussing ongoing games

I agree. We need to prioritise what we're doing. If you don't wanna listen to Serene next round then just don't; you can convince people the next round instead if he brings up an argument you dislike.

How the fuck is Brian Hollywood still in this game

Guy hasn't posted in two weeks

lol

[Shadi1337]

tooth and nail*

[Shadi1337]

damage control:

orc, your reads are inconsistent and your latest bitchfest with serene literally could not get anymore anti-town. Do you remember how Jake bitched and bitched about 2 in Bingo? That's essentially you here! What benefit does "oh, Serene needs to be silenced" bring? Absolutely nothing. And "I'm just gonna listen to DGB because kuribo is a shithead" is also more useless, useless posting. You think that I am scum and you honestly believe you can make anyone so much as look at me twice with "NACHO IS PASSIVE LOOK AT HIM", which isn't something that has ever worked for anyone ever. The difference between you and Serene is that Serene is actually pushing lynches through. What have you done lately in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely nothing. The burden of proficiency pulled on ffery on Day 2 is also completely fucking horrible and it's hard for me to see how that is coming from a town PoV. I know you've hydra'ed with ffery, and I know you've seen ffery as scum. It shouldn't be that difficult to distinguish her-scum and her-town and "she has two wrong reads" is not the way.

Does it not worry you that Serene saw Nero as town but pushed the lynch through so hardly, anyway?

[Shadi1337]

Or were you simply comparing orc and Serene?

[Shadi1337]

I'm not sure I like that post. Why would they do it in the first place? You lynch who you find scummy and try to push for correct lynches. Serene could probably live with a Nero wagon but why lie about his reads to get town lynched? If you believe one is town, you don't agree to lynch him. If he could live with a Nero wagon then I'm fine with it, this indirectly indicates that he sees a bit of scum in Nero.

That's probably the most off-setting move from Serene, that and jumpy reads - everything else is town in my eyes.

[Shadi1337]

Can you link the game?
Also, did you state you saw him town after his lynch? (and you were town in this game and was the game still on-going after you said this?)

[Shadi1337]

Alright that's a lot to skim through x.x ..

I read you said that your read on uber was wrong, and here you say you saw him as town. (I didn't skim through it all I figured it'd be faster to ask)

You read him as town, lynched him and then he turned out to be scum?

[Shadi1337]

I agree with his scum reads except for Cephrir.

also me?

[Shadi1337]

Can I get a definition of multiball?

[Shadi1337]

I've been trying to get a good night's sleep over those NKs but honestly they barely make sense to me..

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF

I was rly sure of Stevie being scum.

[Shadi1337]

serene (or someone else that isn't serene) could you just link me to the post of your reads list

You and your buddies can spend the night looking for them.

Also everyone knows DOMO is town, you didn't need his read list for that.

HAMMER

Serene do you still have me in your town pile? One of your recent posts contradicted your before round-end read.

And I'm just gonna go ahead and ask; why is it so easy to hide behind a mason claim? I mean I'm not trying to frame the 2 claimed masons I still somewhat see Serene as town so far and therefore believe Dramonic's claim. I could easily see 2 mafia do it; is it that you can attack them later for still being alive or what? I'm confused why people were so eager to take off their votes because of that. (See this question from a newbie's perspective and as nothing more than a question.) I'm not trying to make it look like a bad/good move - but I really want it clarified.

[Shadi1337]

Shadi you constantly ask how people are seeing you. It's unnerving.

The reason I asked YOU is because you always somehow have me in ur scum pile then back to town; whether you forget or just do it by mistake I don't know.

[Shadi1337]

orcinus do you think shadi's reaction to bulba's fake venge looked less than genuine?

because my town read on shadi hand was expired before that, and cabd was also talking about putting him in the ok-to-vig pile.

that reaction test has been used about eight times so shadi could've easily faked it

especially since he is a good player which we saw in our last game as selk

so i think it's bad to put him in conftown for that alone

You're the first to ever call me a good player on this site

[Shadi1337]

@Serene, how come you're so much for orc as scum since page 159?

[Shadi1337]

as a note, I'm reading and commenting so when I ask about something I haven't read the last pages so if you've answered already you don't need to answer to these posts

[Shadi1337]

What part of not following the thread obsessively right now do you not understand?

And why didn't you answer my question? I've asked twice? My inclination is to chalk this up to serene being serene and pulling another gambit, but you're overreacting all over the fucking place.

this post especially seemed off to me

Why?

[Shadi1337]

He likes to keep people who suspect him alive.

If you read my first newbie game he did the exact opposite there; he knew I was going to flame him the next round and decided to shoot me coz of that. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4909482

[Shadi1337]

AMOL

what is AMOL?

[Shadi1337]

Shadi you constantly ask how people are seeing you. It's unnerving.

The reason I asked YOU is because you always somehow have me in ur scum pile then back to town; whether you forget or just do it by mistake I don't know.

DGB thinks you're scum, I think you're a village idiot as per goonies mafia

That hasn't changed much

So it

WAS

hydra dissonance, okay now we're in the clear.

[Shadi1337]

AMOL

what is AMOL?

A Memory of Light mini theme game.

thanks <3

[Shadi1337]

Orc, regarding the 8 minutes I was VERY stressed and thought the mod would lock the topic so I rushed and checked the player-list. If those 8 minutes make huge wonders to you.

[Shadi1337]

or maybe not stressed, panicking.

[Shadi1337]

lol fitting pic.

[Shadi1337]

I wasn't sure about Orin, but Cephir and WTFBBQ were not too surprising in all honesty.

I'm not sure about Serene anymore and that also makes me unsure of Dramonic. Other than that my list is somewhat the same.

I believe Crabd and Rift are my strongest town read, where did DOMO go? I was OK with him but now he's not around much..

[Shadi1337]

lol, u posted right after xD

[Shadi1337]

i didn't get a msg though.. i usually do

[Shadi1337]

Oh sweet Jesus, what the fuck is that?

I'm not even going to try and work out what's going on there until dram posts. This makes even less sense than you both being scum.

+1

[Shadi1337]

The only reason I haven't voted Dram yet is completely gone VOTE: Dramonic

[Shadi1337]

oh shit that was L-1, well I still want it to stay. (didn't read page 177 and 178..)

[Shadi1337]

I've stated several times in the game that the only reason I haven't tried to fry Dramonic is the mason claim.

[Shadi1337]

I've stated several times in the game that the only reason I haven't tried to fry Dramonic is the mason claim.

yabbut why would you want to risk ending the day early? At L-1 it could happen accidentally if someone votes before getting to this page.

I'm questioning your strategy and tactics, not who you want to vote.

What is the risk? It's just gonna be Serene blabbering again but oh well I guess you're right, this is a taad too early.

[Shadi1337]

beautiful gif.

[Shadi1337]

Rift, what's your read on Shadi?
I keep going back and forth on him.

I'm not taking his reaction to the vengekill into account, it was just too obviously fake.

As I've stated to others. I was really surprised at the amount of people that saw me as villager for it. And I can see how I could have lied about it as I could see the post in the preview edit but I was panicking so damn much that I just pressed send. I can promise you I had no idea what was going on, if you check the previous posts I didn't even read the thread for ages just posted not to be prodded. Saw Serene's name dominating the thread so that murdered my motivation. So thought that Bulba claimed (whatever role he stated he was) somewhere on the the thread that I hadn't read. Which wouldn't really surprise me if it was true so yeah.. I wrote what I wrote back then so quickly as I could so the mod/host wouldn't lock the thread. You're obviously allowed to have your own opinion whether it was counterfeited/forgery or a genuine reaction. Just think I'd voice my thoughts in an elaborated way.

[Shadi1337]

If I remember correctly (I cba looking back) I was fine with a Nero wagon but he was never the best option. I think t was Stevie back then (to my surprise, he was town). Also it's funny how half of the people on that wagon are holy?

[Shadi1337]

how close is dram from the rope? (L- what?)

[Shadi1337]

ah okay, i missed it on last page nvm,

[Shadi1337]

LOL, I laughed more than I think I should have.

[Shadi1337]

Also before someone flames me for little content again, this time it's more on purpose because I've already stated I think Dram should be on the rope. He has always been the most scummy and as I said 5 times before; I would have gone after him if he didn't have the mason claim.

[Shadi1337]

Dram town? Are you shitting me lol

As for the NK, if Jon was under suspicion (I really don't remember anymore) then he was probably shot to set some pressure on the ones who were suspicious of him. Although, with this many good players I guess this current theory is kinda null/crappy..

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VT, when exactly did the mass claiming begin again? Just so I don't ask a person whose claim is already out there?