Open 533: Pick Your Poison - The End

[NicCage]

Gross, WIFOM opener. Nasty.
Bad YKV, bad.

[NicCage]

I don't think YKV's opening post is scummy but it is anti-town. I don't really want to vote on something that's intentionally WIFOM and might not have anything to do with anything.

[NicCage]

VOTE: NicCage

If your talking about not voting, you did the same thing

If your talking about "You will tonight" then learn to take a joke

No I'm not talking about not voting.

This is a shitty bw vote pretending not to be one.

Do you feel like I've overreacted to what he said? All I did was comment that it was gross.

VOTE: banaki

[NicCage]

Oh, I forgot IC was a role.
I thought they meant IC as in Inexperienced Challenged.
Lol I guess I just assumed they were being silly. No I didn't consider it even a little.

[NicCage]

you said it was "Wifom" which makes absolutely no sense whatever as it was a joke

What he said could be implying that he is a vig or mafia, and those could either be true or false. So wifom.

@egg, I called it out because I didn't like it, and because I thought some people were voting/going to vote him over it and I didn't want to get into that discussion cause it's dumb.
And RVS is largely butts

[NicCage]

Nic, do you have any scumreads besides Bana? Why is Bana scum?

No, I don't. My scum read is mostly gut, I don't like how he switched off his RVs and onto me

[NicCage]

No it's because he was just joining my bw while pretending to have reasons like I said earlier.

[NicCage]

What's wrong with Eagles vote?

FOS: Venrob

For that weird uncalled for qualifying.

[NicCage]

In post 28 i was asked what reasons.
Also ppl who say "serious vote" are always scumz!

YKV wagon did build early, though early wagons get us out of RVS and generate discussion. In a game this size (I.E. not a micro, 7 to lynch day 1) it is okay for a wagon to build as it did early.

Other than that, the IC claims are probably both liars. (by that I OBVIOUSLY mean I'm mafia and we didn't pick IC)

You weren't asked about the wagon speed (I don't think) so that was sort of out of nowhere. The bolded is what I was talking about though, I just don't understand why you felt the need to do that.

I was lieing about being IC,
Pretty sure notscience was too

Still not liking Nic. He's over reacting abit and he still hasn't said why he's calling that post "WIFOM"

Yeah I have ya dummy

If I were scum I'd pick 1-shot Cop, Tracker, and IC. 1-shot Cop is probably going to be useless, a Tracker would have to pick the right scum so I think that's unlikely, and an IC because I have to fill out the three. I think a 2-shot Vig is a gamble depending on what player gets it and JK is good.

[NicCage]

No

[NicCage]

He might just be dumb
I was in a game with him where he was dumb.
And someone had your avatar, which is making me have flashbacks

[NicCage]

Yeah that is a little odd

[NicCage]

Lol no, I'll find it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29484
Dis un, I replaced in, then was killed. But I saw you be dumb all over the place.

[NicCage]

I doubt it. I mean he was town that time, but I doubt he becomes a genius when he's scum.

[NicCage]

BE, what do you think of Venrob? Do you think he's acting townish or are you too afraid of voting someone who is voting you?

[NicCage]

Yeah! I when I'm scum. I post well!

Yo, why didn't you vote with your plan?

[NicCage]

I apologize for calling you dumb, please don't say crazy things just to say them.

[NicCage]

^ Definite tarp

Or is this another tarp? erm... Trap.

I think I know what you're saying, but you may as well come out with it.

[NicCage]

We're out of RVS

[NicCage]

you said it was "Wifom" which makes absolutely no sense whatever as it was a joke

What he said could be implying that he is a vig or mafia, and those could either be true or false. So wifom.

@egg, I called it out because I didn't like it, and because I thought some people were voting/going to vote him over it and I didn't want to get into that discussion cause it's dumb.
And RVS is largely butts

This post explains everything, thanks for reading

[NicCage]

As of #112 he seems to be implying that he was saying that. Do you think he's lying about it being a reaction test?
You can quit telling me to learn to take a joke, it's not like I've been going on and on about it on my own, and was originally trying to avoid the whole thing anyway.
Sooo.
Why are you voting me?

[NicCage]

This post explains everything, thanks for reading

I'm , you actually stood by what you said before?

VOTE: NicCage

For:
1) interfering in a reaction test (to warn scum buddies): scum motivated
2) preventing me from initiating discussion (while at the same time calling RVS butts): scum motivated

Well, yeah. Duh.

There are different types of discussion, not all of them are equal. Besides, since when do scum stop someone from initiating discussion?

[NicCage]

Actually, screwing up a reaction test can be a scumtell because normally, a townie would just let test continue without going 'OH MY GOD, GUYS WATCH OUT, THIS IS A TEST!!!' Usually, I can tell somethings are reaction tests, but I don't say anything.

Goddamn dude, really?

[NicCage]

Lol oh ok Hermy, that's cute. You and BE should hang out.
Bottom line is you guys are just making up stuff to justify voting me.

VOTE: Hermy

[NicCage]

Nic's first post in the game was terrible. No RVS vote over something he called "anti-town" is

bad. It seems like he's trying to dissociate himself from a wagon.

Or I did it for the reason I said, but sure whatever, I can't disprove you I guess.

YKV's post wasn't scummy, I don't know what you saw. In fact, baldeagle's "Why didn't you vote

for obvscvum" is a town cred fish because he ALSO called Nic Sdcum earlier.

I've told everyone what I saw. I don't even understand that second sentence, can you please explain it?

Though baldeagle's 28 Also brings up a great point, Venrob saying "I wanna be maf"

is WIFOM-mier than the supposed scummy YKV post. Its an active attempt to say he's automatically

town.

Venrob's wifom is scummy. Ok. Let's come back to this later.

Nic claiming he thought the IC was "Inexperienced Challenged" is terrible because Innocent Child

is a role mentioned in the Mod posts.

I do some dumb stuff sometimes. I don't know what's wrong with me doing that though, other than it's stupid.

Nic is sooo obvscum for 39

Woah now, I was calling out venrob for intentionally saying wifomy stuff, and that makes me scum? You

just

did the same thing.

106 This is called "nitpicking" and is a common discredit.

What does that even mean? I wasn't trying to discredit him at all, it sounded like he was saying that his comment about lynching one of the claimed IC's was a reaction test. You are so full of shit.

I mean thanks for all the commentary and everything, but nothing you said was useful and a lot of it was irrelevant.
Give me a summary of why you voted BE.
And why are you voting him over me? It sounded like you have more problems with me than him in your post.

[NicCage]

Alright, I'm gonna flat out say this. I can just tell that NicCage is scum. Becuase, Nic is more helpful than this when he's town. But, when he's scum, he's more in the background, just saying some stuff that doesn't really help town a whole lot.

Actually, screwing up a reaction test can be a scumtell because normally, a townie would just let test continue without going 'OH MY GOD, GUYS WATCH OUT, THIS IS A TEST!!!' Usually, I can tell somethings are reaction tests, but I don't say anything.

Goddamn dude, really?

Nice defense there, btw.

Also, Hermy's opening posts are pretty townish, and Nic's vote is bad.

You've never been in a game with me before, what are you basing this on?

[NicCage]

I have actually, it's ongoing. Might wanna check the playerlists.

I'm aware that you were in it, I'm also aware that I replaced in after you had been lynched, and that I haven't flipped in that game. You also can't talk about ongoing games, but I'm glad that you're super sure that you know how I play when you've never interacted with me before this game.

[NicCage]

Wait, is this townread on me coming from Slimey's game?

[NicCage]

prod dodge
I'll post content later

[NicCage]

Ok. I need to do something.
Sorry, life has been giving me a lot to deal with lately and I haven't had time to think about my games.
If I don't get to it this weekend I'll replace out to save you all the trouble of dealing with me.

[NicCage]

Okay time to do things.
First of all don't lynch me you tards. Most of you don't even have good reasons for voting me.
Reads:
HC is town
NS is town
BE is probs town.
Mne is probs town.
Egg is maybe town.
YESYESYES leans scum slightly.
Hermy I don't know.
Beast I don't know yet.
Bana leans scum.
BK leans scum.
YKV leans scum.
Venrob leans scum.

Townreads are all gut. Didn't like YESYESYES's post, but I need follow up so I can't really say.

Bana I don't like because he's just sitting on me without really even having reasons for voting me. I've asked him why and he still hasn't answered.

I feel like BK is avoiding important topics in the game. He spent a lot of time discussing theory, and voted BE over very easy reasoning, that he misspoke about the 1-shot vig. Game theory doesn't help find scum, but talking about it is an easy way to stay active. I know he's on beast now I haven't really read a lot of his and beasts posts thoroughly cause my brain is tired and it's hard to keep track of a full player list. So that's the next thing I'll do so I can finish off this read.

Venrob I don't like just because of his whole attitude. He keeps intentionally pulling out WIFOM-y stuff like saying that he really wanted to be scum, or how he preemptively says that his OBVIOUSLY scum and knows they didn't pick IC. His BE vote is garbage, and he's just floating through today. Which I guess is what he does. This cheeto post is really omgus-y and just bad. Cheeto is town, especially for suggesting a venrob vig shot.

YKV. eehhh. So annoying. Was it a reaction test or wasn't it? If it was a test it has a purpose, if it didn't it's just you playing. Why are you voting me? I need to respond to you and I will after this post.

Hermy I don't like any of the initial posts. I don't like how you're voting me by just agreeing with those reaction test comments. But I don't know. HC makes a good point about you. What do you think about Bana?

[NicCage]

Actually I'll do the rest tonight, I need a break.

[NicCage]

Yeah, it's not too late and fuck you. I think you're scum but I can't prove it.

VOTE: Banakai
I would do this.

[NicCage]

sweet jesus. Alright, this was my fault, I apologize.
I'm the 1 shot-cop.
Please for the love of god do not lynch me, just let the mafia do it

[NicCage]

Bana is not a bad choice, and I think something is up with YKV. One of them. I would also take Hermy.

And for the vig shot I think venrob is a good choice.

Since I can't use my shot and live I'm just not going to investigate anybody.

[NicCage]

But the only way I can survive is if there is a JK, which would block my shot. If I did happen to be protected the JK could flip a coin to see if they were to protect me or not. Then scum would have to decide if they wanted to kill me or not, giving me the chance to use my shot, maybe. If there is no JK I'm getting shot so it's pointless to investigate anyone.

I'm not voting HC, even to save myself. Vote someone else.

[NicCage]

Why beast?

[NicCage]

NS we have a little time. What about Bana? Or YKV?

[NicCage]

no actually I'm voting Banakai, but whatever.

[NicCage]

It was my fault, at least you guys read me right.

[NicCage]

Ok, wow. Nic, use your cop ability, no matter what.

I'm not taking suggestions.

Stahp! Vote Cheetos!

"Vote Banakai for towncred"
(Everyone sheeps)

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!

No you scummy motherfucker.

[NicCage]

"Venrob I don't like just because of his whole attitude. He keeps intentionally pulling out WIFOM-y stuff like saying that he really wanted to be scum, or how he preemptively says that his OBVIOUSLY scum and knows they didn't pick IC. His BE vote is garbage, and he's just floating through today. Which I guess is what he does. This cheeto post is really omgus-y and just bad. Cheeto is town, especially for suggesting a venrob vig shot."

I don't really think you should be lynched, but I do think you're scummy on purpose. Which is off putting. This is why you're a good vig shot. Don't want to waste a lynch on you, but getting rid of you as a gray area is a good idea. Besides, what about HC is scummy to you? They're sort of minimalist, but I don't really see anything wrong with what they're doing.

[NicCage]

Hellooo, it doesn't matter. Scum knows whether there is a jk or not. If there is I don't die and I don't get results. If there isn't I die. So I don't know why you're expecting a report, cause I'm not going to be able to get one.

[NicCage]

Well you can worry about that tomorrow if it's relevant.

[NicCage]

Actually his paranoia is seeming quite town to me

Unless it's an act.

It doesn't hurt for me to try, it serves no purpose. I've explained how this is going to go down. So there.

[NicCage]

Well, alright then.
I used my shot.

[NicCage]

It wasn't BE lol.
I was thinking maybe everyone should talk a little before I said it but I changed my mind
YKV is innocent

[NicCage]

HC what's your read on Hermy?

[NicCage]

Have I really forgotten about this game for that long?
Man.
Alright, ETL are you dumb as hell or just scum? You said you thought I was town. You think YKV is scummy. Yet you're questioning my investigation of him? Why? How could you have thought I was town before that? If you lynch me, and I flip cop, there's not a high chance of YKV staying a confirmed townie, they're just going to kill him.

You know what I see why I ISO YKV, Hermy, and myself? I see an annoying fucking townie and possible scum sucking up to a somewhat popular viewpoint. Yeah, both of their points against me look fake as hell. However, YKV started that shit, and Hermy was just blatantly agreeing.

[NicCage]

I don't know, I really haven't done enough reading to get my reads on track. Yeah maybe Hermy is scum. Maybe you are.

Yeah I cleared him.
Why did you think I was town before?
If you think YKV is scum, doesn't it make sense for me to have thought that he was scum too?
How in the hell does it make sense for my scumbuddy to be a big part of my bandwagon so that I can claim cop then clear him? That's the connection that you're claiming between Hermy YKV and I right, that they built up that stupid reaction test thing?

[NicCage]

No. Because you town read him. Why would you investigate a town read? I mean, it's even in the damn wiki on tips for playing a cop.

"How in the hell does it make sense for my scumbuddy to be a big part of my bandwagon so that I can claim cop then clear him?"

We have a word for that.

Suck my ass, I never townread him.

[quote="In post 296YKV leans scum.[/quote]

Yeah, it's not too late and fuck you. I think you're scum but I can't prove it.

Uh NS how was that a wasted shot I cleared a role that was in the dark. If you thought I was town why don't you believe me?

HC what's your read on Hermy?

HC

[NicCage]

Oh hey I know both of you
Say Bae, did you townread me on your own?

[NicCage]

Yeah I remember. Town as fuck sounds a lot stronger than what I remember though. Could you go over why again?

[NicCage]

Fuck this town is stupid. And I thought notscience at least had potential. Guess I was wrong there.

lol

I do shit, but if there's a some moron who threatens town's chances of winning, it's only logical to remove them.

Nic, I believe you. I don't particularly care to have YKV alive tomorrow to fuck up lylo (assuming we lynch town today, which is where the HC wagon seems to be heading)

Nachobaezu, I said I was open to FRing him too.

No that's a bad idea, even if the other player is annoying.
I remember yesterday you said that HC's point about Hermy being town was something you would consider. Today you started with voting Hermy. I take it you don't buy into HC's reasoning, or you think the weight of evidence is on the other side of the scale.
Is there something wrong with HC's reasoning?
Why do you think Hermy is scum?
Why aren't you trying to convince anyone to vote Hermy?

Oh hey I know both of you
Say Bae, did you townread me on your own?

Yes. I did

Why? I'm not playing anything like the game we were in together.

[NicCage]

Hey ETL you need to acknowledge that you're full of shit. There's no good reason to be voting me. It doesn't make sense that you think I'm scum if you had thought I was town previous to my investigation. I investigated my scumread, and yours. It's absolutely retarded to lynch YKV over me.

No that's a bad idea, even if the other player is annoying.

Meh

I remember yesterday you said that HC's point about Hermy being town was something you would consider. Today you started with voting Hermy. I take it you don't buy into HC's reasoning, or you think the weight of evidence is on the other side of the scale.

I don't get the second half of this. I've pushed Hermy-scum for a while. But, lets look at my reads on everyone else. You town, which makes YKV town. Venrob town. NachoBaezu Town. BC town. Who does that leave for our 3 scums?

Is there something wrong with HC's reasoning?

I disagree with it. Difference of opinion.

Why do you think Hermy is scum?

See above, and reasons yesterday. Hermy's not trying to get reads or anything today either.

Why aren't you trying to convince anyone to vote Hermy?

Apathy.

Ya, I'm not gonna look back through your posts to find stuff. You know where it's at better than I do. If you don't want HC lynched you should push a real lynch. And seriously, if you're using PoE and you think you have the scumteam picked out it is beyond stupid to lynch someone you think is town. We won't be in lylo tomorrow if we lynch right.

I don't get the second half of this.

For my first comment, I'm saying that you said you would consider HC's reasoning for townreading Hermy. Then I'm assuming that this is either because you think HC's reasoning is wrong or because you think Hermy has more scummy points against her.

I disagree with it. Difference of opinion.

No way, really? I want to know why.

[NicCage]

cause that's what he does
Egg doesn't look like scum though

[NicCage]

Hey ETL, who's the scumteam?

[NicCage]

Mmm I guess. It's not like I don't try to make sense as scum though. You called me town pretty early on.
So you think it's venrob and beast? Who's your third? And why

[NicCage]

Scum: Hermy, YKV, Hot Cheetos

Beast, what happened to your Hermy and HC scumreads?

[NicCage]

Scum: Hermy, YKV, Hot Cheetos

Beast, what happened to your Hermy and HC scumreads?

Nothing, I just think ETL is a much better lynch for the day. I don't like what they are attempting to do. The fact that people think Hermy is town is beyond me. It is just as dumb as people thinking ns is scum. The HC wagon that was/is forming doesn't feel right to me so I was trying to stay off of it.

Why are you so sure Hermy is scum?
What do you mean it doesn't feel right? Is it who's on it? I mean if you really think HC is scum you shouldn't mind being on their wagon.

[NicCage]

Beast stop being so vague.
YESYESYES you need some fresh reads. Also calm your titties, we're gonna catch on that you want to look town if you yell too loud.

[NicCage]

What do you mean by amished? I thought that meant when you criticize your replacement.

[NicCage]

VOTE: Hermy

[NicCage]

Guys, Hermy is too frustrated by this for it to be an attempt to coast.

I don't understand how this works

YKV you're useless. Also there's 7 days left.

[NicCage]

Neat. Why haven't you done any scumhunting?

[NicCage]

Nic, the frustration (brick wall comments) looks too genuine to be faked. That shows that Hermy believes what she is saying. That means it's not fake and defending the "newbie tell" isn't a strategically used excuse to coast. Therefore, the case on Hermy is inaccurate.

I'm not seeing the genuiness from those comments. I'll agree that she doesn't really need to say anymore to defend herself from those accusation, but strategy or no she is still coasting. Hence:

Neat. Why haven't you done any scumhunting?

Which is directed at Hermy.

[NicCage]

Hermy, your response to 2 isn't really acceptable. Addressing something doesn't stop you from saying other things.

Though it seems like you understand that, so I'm a little confused. Do you think she's town now?

[NicCage]

Mmm.
Egg, reasoning on beast?

[NicCage]

Strong gut. The counterwagon becoming a mislynch. The baldeagle NK. And I'll admit to some PoE because I have so many town reads.

I don't understand what you mean by the counterwagon becoming a mislynch.
In what way do you believe that the BE NK is connected to beast?

Seems like you don't put a lot of stock into your townreads though, so I'm not sure why you'd claim to use PoE. After all, NS was a townread, who you're now willing to lynch.

And the only thing I see against notscience is his dumb policy lynch push that I can see him doing as either alignment.

It's super weird that you would agree to lynch someone that you don't see anything against. Normal people don't want to vote their townreads at all, much less talk about it 7 days ahead of the deadline. So, what's up with that?

VOTE: Egg

How excited would you have been if you had actually gotten everyone to massclaim?

[NicCage]

I just quoted him in #619 saying that he didn't think that was alignment indicative.

[NicCage]

That's not what I'm talking about. But I'm tired and tomorrow is halloween so I'm going to bed, but I'm coming back to this thing after that.

Kay good luck.

Egg give me an update please, I'm a little behind. You're like my only town read.

I think all you missed was yellow trying to get me to switch to notscience and me trying to get him to switch to beastcharizard instead.

No I saw

Nic I mean the fact that we almost lynched beastcharizard and the guy we lynched instead flipped town. And the fact that baldeagle was one of the main people pushing beastcharizard and is now dead.

Right, well the bana lynch was at least partially my doing, plus others. Beast wasn't in on it. Soo. Which scum did it then? Notice it's not mne or YYY, who are currently your only scumreads. I know NK analysis is weak normally, so let's not dwell on this, but BK was pushing beast just as hard. I think it's silly to think that BE died because he was a threat to beast.

You misread on notscience. I would much rather lynch beastcharizard but if it came down to notscience or no lynch, I'll take the lynch any day so that's why i'd be willing to switch if I had to.

Right. This doesn't change the fact that you are offering to lynch a

townread

over a scumread, 7 days ahead of the deadline. That's an unnecessary level of compromising right now, especially since you could still easily get your way.

The massclaim is something I only wanted if we were being dumb enough to lynch you or yellow.

And I hear it

[NicCage]

Oh nvm on that first comment lol I can't read

[NicCage]

I'm saying you haven't done any. And you're still continuing to not do any. Why did you vote me earlier today?

[NicCage]

I'm just saying that there's really no strong evidence to support your nk analysis and you shouldn't be using it as evidence.

So are you able to draw any connection between myself, Ns, or Hermy and beast?

[NicCage]

That's not the same thing, seeing as ns is a town read. But seriously though, are you acting stupid for meta purposes or are you really this stupid?

[NicCage]

I don't trust HC

[NicCage]

Not saying I think they're scum but I'm just not feeling it too much

[NicCage]

Actually nah, I just don't trust their judgment on Egg here.

[NicCage]

Whys for everthing you said

[NicCage]

VOTE: hermy
kay

[NicCage]

I'm willing to lynch YYY if no one is interested in Hermy. I refuse to lynch NS or HC.

[NicCage]

Confirmed moron: Venrob.
Look we can all talk shit.
Why is hermy town? Why is YYY town? Why is Egg town?

[NicCage]

Ns had correctly guessed one of the heads of HC. And he's referred to them as nacho baezu a couple times. So... what do you mean by metaing?

And PhD I was thinking vote Hermy. I see that you won't want to lynch Egg, but I would go for that too

[NicCage]

Read: I know ns is about to flip town.
The vibes man the vibes.
Why haven't you looked into ETL more if you suspect him?

[NicCage]

Ns had correctly guessed one of the heads of HC. And he's referred to them as nacho baezu a couple times. So... what do you mean by metaing?

And PhD I was thinking vote Hermy. I see that you won't want to lynch Egg, but I would go for that too

He never correctly guesses any. NS only "guessed" that HC is hydra in #150.

I really want to say

Nacho's

in that hydra becoz cheetos but idk

But anyway why does this even matter?

[NicCage]

Why would you be up for an Egg lynch?

His D2 bothers me. First of all he's involved in the whole lynching me thing, but he doesn't really take a solid stance in terms of saying "no we aren't doing this." What he does say is 434 and

Egg where do you get the idea that this is a policy lynch? We're not lynching him for reasons beyond his game-play and involvement therein.

You guys were saying either he's scum or he's town who is gonna fuck up LYLO. The definition of a policy lynch is lynching someone while accepting that they might be town because their town play could be detrimental to the town. I fail to see the difference.

As for optimal play: yeah, let's lynch someone who is confirmed town unless one specific player (Nic) is scum without that player's flip. Again, I fail to see how that makes any sense at all.

Look. I'm against a policy lynch on Day 2 after a Day 1 mislynch. So the only way Yellow is an option is if we think he is scum. The only way he can be scum is if Nic is also scum. A Yellow flip gives no info on Nic. A Nic town flip clears Yellow. If we go with the conspiracy theory that Nic and Yellow are both scum, we are lynching Nic first. Even that I don't want to do unless we get four PR claims because if we get three, that clears Nic and Yellow 100%.

Fuck it. If Nic or Yellow is getting lynched today, i'd rather just massclaim right now. So there's my stance. We either massclaim or we leave Nic and Yellow alone today.

Fuck this town is stupid. And I thought notscience at least had potential. Guess I was wrong there.

This is ridiculous.

This could go either way, but I think he would have objected stronger rather than suggesting a massclaim if he really thought that was something we shouldn't do.

Ok so yellow is confirmed town unless nic flips scum at some point.

Nic is not an option for a lynch today. Even if you think he's scum, wait. I won't go into why.

I still have relatively strong town reads on notscience, BK, and venrob.

I lean town on hermy and hot cheetos.

That leaves beast, yes, and mnem. I probably have to rethink some of my town reads. But beast is still the lynch I prefer today.

Vote BeastCharizard

A bigger issue is his beast read. 394 Here he votes without giving reasons
418 Then he takes it back because I guess his wagon analysis wasn't good enough? I'm not really sure. Anyway, he never pushes beast again, or unvotes, untillll

I'm already on the lead wagon. The one that Banaki was lynched in favor of yesterday. And Banaki was town. And so was one of the leader's of the BeastCharizard wagon who died at night. I won't switch unless there is no choice. Right now, there's still hope for lynching scum.

Which is weird as hell, right? I mean he was unsure about it for wagon analysis reasons earlier, nothing happens, and now all of a sudden he's confident. There's more to this but I'm bored and I'm gonna do it the slightly lazy way.

Strong gut. The counterwagon becoming a mislynch. The baldeagle NK. And I'll admit to some PoE because I have so many town reads.

I don't understand what you mean by the counterwagon becoming a mislynch.
In what way do you believe that the BE NK is connected to beast?

Seems like you don't put a lot of stock into your townreads though, so I'm not sure why you'd claim to use PoE. After all, NS was a townread, who you're now willing to lynch.

And the only thing I see against notscience is his dumb policy lynch push that I can see him doing as either alignment.

It's super weird that you would agree to lynch someone that you don't see anything against. Normal people don't want to vote their townreads at all, much less talk about it 7 days ahead of the deadline. So, what's up with that?

VOTE: Egg

How excited would you have been if you had actually gotten everyone to massclaim?

Here's my big problem with Egg, his agreeing to lynch ns, who was a townread. You should read that whole thing.

And then lots of stuff where I question him on his beast read.

Spoiler:

Egg give me an update please, I'm a little behind. You're like my only town read.

I think all you missed was yellow trying to get me to switch to notscience and me trying to get him to switch to beastcharizard instead.

No I saw

Nic I mean the fact that we almost lynched beastcharizard and the guy we lynched instead flipped town. And the fact that baldeagle was one of the main people pushing beastcharizard and is now dead.

Right, well the bana lynch was at least partially my doing, plus others. Beast wasn't in on it. Soo. Which scum did it then? Notice it's not mne or YYY, who are currently your only scumreads. I know NK analysis is weak normally, so let's not dwell on this, but BK was pushing beast just as hard. I think it's silly to think that BE died because he was a threat to beast.

You misread on notscience. I would much rather lynch beastcharizard but if it came down to notscience or no lynch, I'll take the lynch any day so that's why i'd be willing to switch if I had to.

Right. This doesn't change the fact that you are offering to lynch a

townread

over a scumread, 7 days ahead of the deadline. That's an unnecessary level of compromising right now, especially since you could still easily get your way.

The massclaim is something I only wanted if we were being dumb enough to lynch you or yellow.

Well I should have done so already but I'm looking at that lynching wagon and either you (Nic) are scum which I haven't ruled out or I'm wrong about either Hermy or Notscience. And it's entirely possible that two of these three are scum.

And as I look at it, that first wagon on you (still Nic) shows that you or Hermy is probably scum because Yellow is only scum if you are, I know I'm town, baldeagle was town, and ban was town. So that only leaves hermy as possible scum on that wagon.

As for the NK, why wouldn't scum kill someone who looked town and almost got them lynched? And don't give me "because that's too obvious" if you don't think anyone should be looking at NKs to begin with. I don't think it's nearly as weak as you are saying.

I did learn something though. There's scum in Nic/Hermy. Lol that's gonna look so bad right after Notscience said I'm scum with Hermy but I want the opinion out there if I'm not alive tomorrow because wagon analysis can be strong as fuck and I know there is at least one player in this game who knows that.

I'm just saying that there's really no strong evidence to support your nk analysis and you shouldn't be using it as evidence.

So are you able to draw any connection between myself, Ns, or Hermy and beast?

As for connections, no. I don't need connections to call people scum. Nobody has flipped scum yet. I still think lynching you is off the table because of your claim. Notscience and Hermy have looked town to me. I just might have to admit I was wrong. Beastcharizard is my consistant scum read who I am confident is scum. I want to lynch him today and figure out the rest tomorrow when we have more info.

The point I was trying to make is that his beast scumread is made-up in a scummy way. I wasn't saying his nk analysis was wrong, just that there's plenty of other explanations. But Nk analysis kinda sucks anyway. The other big thing is that supposedly the bana wagon was a counter wagon to beast. I forget exactly how it went down now, but it's weird that he uses that as a reason to vote beast without thinking it over first. Like, his only other scumreads weren't on the bana wagon. He has to change his reads to back up this idea that the bana wagon was scum driven. Yet, that doesn't make sense, cause if he doesn't actually suspect anyone driving the bana wagon, how can he use that to justify voting beast? So as far as I'm concerned, his beast vote was still unjustified.

And stuff

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Also NS isn't scum

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And I don't really know how to explain it. I just know.

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It's called gut and I've played with him before. We tended to agree for the parts of slimeys game I was actually doing stuff

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I'm saying you didn't really try to talk them out of it.
I'm saying you did make up a bad case.
I'm saying that there was plenty of time and there was no reason to agree that you would lynch a townread.
And, I know it makes sense that scum was on the bana wagon. Which you were on.

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Well I still like Hermy. YYY is doable I guess. Beast I haven't looked enough into but he might be scum as well. I thought mne was town, I'm fairly certain you are too. So you think Hermy usually plays like this?

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You haven't given reads in awhile. Was hermy one of you scum picks besides ns?

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The problem with any of these compromises that I just said is that I feel like they could all easily be wrong.

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Egg is so town it hurts. Also loving the replacement for town as well. Nic/ykv can be town for now because if they are scum we are already halfway lost.

NS is scum. Followed by hermy and yyy as possible partners.
The rest fall somewhere in between.

Yes, when I first caught up with the thread, Hermy was my top suspect (you can check my ISO). Until I read Nic's claim on YKV, which just seemed weird, but I'm willing to go with Egg on it and try to find another. If both are still alive tomorrow, I'm going to be asking some serious questions. As far as ns is concerned, I found his sudden reversal to be really strange and his whole attitude is just shitty, but he seems to be calming down so I'd like to see what he comes up with to redeem the slot, since it wasn't scummy before mid-D2.

p-edit: any lynch could be wrong but you can't let that get into your head if your reads are sound.

Lol was it Egg who convinced you? You didn't listen to him at first. I think I remember saying some things to you. I'm surprised you still have a problem with me.

My problem is that there's like 6 people who I could see being scum, and my big favorite isn't on the compromise list.

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Show me how it's done ETL, I don't understand

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Something about you is just really rubbing me the wrong way.
Like, if you wanted to vote Egg where were you forever ago when that was a thing?
Also, now is a time that it makes sense to compromise. So is Hermy not someone you would like to vote?

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NC, I really like BC for town.

But whyy

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Why would we do that? That's ridiculous. Just vote Hermy jeez

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How does them both claiming help with that?

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Right, well hermy can get on and claim when we an intent on her. Two people aren't going to claim right now. So start voting hermy so we can get that claim.

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VOTE: YYY
Sounds good to me

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Well I guess the premeditated stuff makes the whole flipping a coin thing meaningless
VOTE: hermy
werrrrrr

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Why not Egg?
Remember that time Hermy was genuine?

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No, I mean I think Egg was defending his scumbuddy there.
But hey, ETL might just be scum too

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Idk, look at Egg's stance on the wagon Re:me.

It's been a slow process but I'm coming around to the idea

You mean where he was on your wagon, but then got off?
Idea?

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He's kidding ETL

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lol

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Even though venrob has done nothing all game I still kinda think he's town.
And I have scum gutfeels for ETL

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VOTE: ETL

Mhm.

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PhD, why the read change on Egg?

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I don't think there's anything wrong with his defense of Venrob, what about it bothers you?
Are Egg and Venrob your only scum suspects and do you think they're a likely scumteam with Hermy?

Egg did give reasoning to vote ETL, but I will agree that it isn't very good reasoning. It seems weird that Egg would take something out of context like that when the conversation was between Egg and ETL. I would think he would remember it at least somewhat.

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You're breaking my heart PhD, I thought you were town.
Also Egg can't be in my block yet.

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What am I doing wrong? Do you support the town bloc? Or do you think I'm off in my Venrob or Egg read?

Of course I support the town bloc, and I do think you're off on your Venrob read. I mean townblocs are just people townreading each other and then deciding on who to vote. As long as everyone is coming up with their own reads it's the same as the way the game is played normally.

What I think you're doing wrong is arguing against the idea of the bloc itself and not against the members that you think don't belong.

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I think likely town is fine for a townbloc, it's not like it's permanent. You're not gonna lynch someone you think is likely town.

I just think you're off on your Venrob read. Come up with some reasons to vote him if you want me to go against my gut. I know he's making a lot of excuses for inactivity but I don't really feel like lynching him right now. I do sort of agree with your Egg read, but we're the only two who think he might be scum.

What is it about ETL that makes you think he's town?

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Venrob can you like do something for serious so the rest of us can read you?
You can say HC is scum all you want but that isn't convincing and you know that.
What movie did you see?

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That's my favorite movie.
Nice try on the excuses.

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If he doesn't do something soon I'd be willing to vote Venrob.

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I'm confused by your conclusion. HC never said I was scum?

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I'm confused by your conclusion. HC never said I was scum?

Too hard to understand? Guilty by association.

It is too hard to understand, what's the association?

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Cause I'm cool

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@ Nic:
Or do jack shit. One of the two.

Probably both. :p and you're one to talk

VOTE: venrob

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That doesn't make any sense. Nothing that you just said supports HC-scum

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no, it doesnt. It supports the fact that i'm not the only one saying hc is scum, and that there is confirmed at least one townie saying HC is scum (ykv is town unless nic and ykv are scum, but if nic and ykv are scum i am not scum so i am town.)

Lol why do you care what YKV thinks? I know he's town and I don't care what he thinks. I wanna know why you think HC is scum.

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You think it's normal for Venrob to be relying on your opinion in order to justify his scumread? Which he then won't back up with anything else.

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Dude. My reason was that I was about to be lynched, I wasn't about to let that happen. He sat on my wagon so I picked him. Venrob has plenty of time to do better. Yeah I was coasting then, he's been coasting this whole time. So. Can you get off me?

Listen. Why don't you explain to me Venrob's scumread on HC? If you don't understand it, maybe join me in asking him for an explanation.

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But, you've been postan elsewhere

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Antihero is fun

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VOTE: Hot Cheetos

This is starting to be a very real possibility.

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Maybe. What do you think then?

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Ns is town.

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Yeah bae, listen to your (possible) scum head, don't go after someone who people think is town, go after venrob, no one likes him.

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I think you're scum because you defended Hermy and because of how I feel about you. If it wasn't you or venrob it would be ETL

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Who's IC, is that Egg?

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I just assumed HC was referring to another player, how do we even know there is an IC? Like, did I miss why this is being assumed?

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Claiming sounds good.

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I didn't help!

Good job town