Mini 1522: AA - MFA (Game Over!)

[Marquis]

VOTE: mac

i am scum traitor he is one of the mafia i will bus in rvs

[Marquis]

Vote: Marquis

That WIFOM.

counter

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kalimar

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KA

[Marquis]

3) But not sakura's Post #46 which looks like a "I'm voting X because of my own reasons. So you can't call me out on sheeping". Almost all the people I've seen do this flip scum, or just newb town. IDK why. I dunno why nobody has noticed. But they do. And she's not newb town no, is she?

really not seeing what you are here, explain

[Marquis]

oddly enough i haven't scumread sakura yet and idk if that's a good or a bad thing

[Marquis]

tne i'm not seeing what you're seeing as i can't even see how sakura is doing what you say she's doing, much less why it's even scummy

[Marquis]

KA just makes me feel sad

i'm trying to compare you to fast and furious you but so far you're ok

The sudden lack of wagonpush on KA makes me believe that either all the scum are on it already or scum aren't touching it. Not sure how I feel about either situation. Meh.

@Kalimar:

Is your vote on Marquis serious? Also, gamestate comments?

@Everyone not on the KA wagon that hasn't made their opinion clear yet:

What do you think of the KA wagon?

no me gusta

[Marquis]

2nd was @ pie

maybe it's just ace attorney but wow. i have some effort going on here

[Marquis]

not that it's much but. yeah reading is delectable and so is my word choice

[Marquis]

i started the KA wagon wat u talkin bout

[Marquis]

"no me gusta" to kaze's post. looked tooh edgey

[Marquis]

pie is town for sure

100%

best townread and i don't even have to do anything

[Marquis]

or. hm.

wait idk

[Marquis]

pie is probably town for ~probably~ sure

[Marquis]

v/la for 1-2 days, thanksgiving

---

Noted.
~Mod

[Marquis]

do you hate my birthday

wow

[Marquis]

v/la extension until maybe mon/tues sorry family things

[Marquis]

skimmed last 2 pages, mac hammer and post-hammer is super duper town

less confident on pie now. sad

more later

[Marquis]

oh wow i thought that was slimer for some reason. prob lotta w/e

[Marquis]

pie always does that quick-massread thing though so idk how reliable it is

i agree with bert. sakura's not hitting any scumtells for me at all.

VOTE: sakura

[Marquis]

yes it does i dont see ur point??????????

[Marquis]

sakuras not hitting any scumtells yet you're still voting for her?

that's the point

[Marquis]

brb putting effort because this shit is real

[Marquis]

all of this from here on lol. also click if you want to see a time when i cared about the game

This is my biggest scumread. VOTE: Sakura Hana If you're not seeing what I see here, look at her ISO for yourself. It's really

too

much.

Sakura Hana (SE), Vanilla Townie,

committed suicide Day Two

[/spoiler]

Subject: Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

eh i don't like this anymore
UNVOTE:
null read on wisdom atm. more like I'm not going to do a big iso post but tone makes me wary
VOTE: Sakura for scumpartner with honey

Sakura was

Vanilla Town

Subject: Micro 228: Con Mafia (Game Over)

OK LAST ONE I SWEAR BECAUSE WISDOM TOLD ME TO

...

Marquis (00:49)
ever since we pointed out how sakura was talking to me as if i'll flip town
Marquis (00:49)
she's been careful to continuously insert things like
Marquis (00:49)
"oh but marquis will flip scum" in her lines here

...

Apocalypse have been killed Night 2. They were

Bret Maverick, Odd-Night Lie Detector

.

[Marquis]

in conclusion because sakura is town, she is scum. end of story

[Marquis]

did you guys not see my post it was a pro

mac is still town btw. he replaces pie for me <3

[Marquis]

in conclusion because sakura is town, she is scum. end of story

Why is this all of Marquis explanation for Sakura? It's sorta ridiculous.

it's sorta true

[Marquis]

Okay yeah uh. I guess massclaim kinda needs to be go now.

I'm town doctor

that was bullshitting a negative utility PR. Town JK and Town doc in a mini theme?!?

who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who who

[Marquis]

who who who who who who who who who who

[Marquis]

who who who who who who who who who who

also doc of questionable sanity / skill imo

[Marquis]

i need y'all to claim before i do

[Marquis]

nah i'm claiming last because it's my power and i got stuffz

[Marquis]

>_>

[Marquis]

has everyone claimed yet

pretty sure but i want confirmation

[Marquis]

really hoping sakura is town

[Marquis]

but it's really going to suck because she probably isn't.

Miles Edgeworth, 2-shot Town Hider. Mac's clean

[Marquis]

really shitty gambit where i wanted a higher chance of people giving real flavornames if they thought i was a rolename checker or something

doesn't make much sense in hindsight since probably the names don't correspond flavorwise to scum or town anyway.

[Marquis]

do you want me to quote where i breadcrumbed and declared my mac clean

[Marquis]

"no me gusta" to kaze's post. looked tooh

edgey

super duper big breadcrumb

skimmed last 2 pages, mac hammer and post-hammer is super duper town

less confident on pie now. sad

more later

i didn't actually read much of anything from earlier on i was just too happy i didn't die from mac since with v/la i didn't get to crumb my target >_> still pretty upset you guys lynched brian that quickly

also explained by how i failed to read that pie died. oops lol just checked for any pictures of edgey

[Marquis]

again, i didn't have a target in mind at all before i went v/la and brian got lynched quickly. i had to read back and find someone i was leaning town on but still wanted to confirm. dying with the first shot would be stupid

[Marquis]

well read back- more like rush for an action by thinking of people who i was kinda ok with

pedit are you kidding me i was v/la i didn't think that far ahead

pedit2 i'm serious when i don't want to get mislynched as a cool pr see: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5238455

[Marquis]

i'm going to leave because i have a 7 page essay due in 5 hours. any other grasping you want to do for me being scum

pedit oh my god. i just said. i was leaning gut town on mac so i wanted to confirm it rather than risk pie, who seemed like he would die cuz universal townread, or risk on a scummier player

[Marquis]

stop repeating the same shit about gif fakeclaiming hider once because guess what i'm hider. gg

[Marquis]

if i am 90% sure pie is town and most of the game looks like it thinks pie is town, then what is the point of hiding behind him

seriously

[Marquis]

you guys are all just criticizing me for not making the choices you would have but guess what again? i'm the hider here and i'm using my role with my reads and what i think is going to happen. so deal with it

[Marquis]

Your job, under pressure, is to help us understand the choices you make

if i am 90% sure pie is town and most of the game looks like it thinks pie is town, then what is the point of hiding behind him

seriously

pedit oh my god. i just said. i was leaning gut town on mac so i wanted to confirm it rather than risk pie, who seemed like he would die cuz universal townread, or risk on a scummier player

i had to read back and find someone i was leaning town on but still wanted to confirm. dying with the first shot would be stupid

pretty sure i can't get any clearer than that

pedit ffery/nat/w.e bolded something that is pretty much exactly what i'm saying and you're attacking me for

[Marquis]

really hoping sakura is town

UNVOTE:

and this is what i wanted to do

i want sakura and i to target the same person.

sakura town, target town: target and i die, lynch sakura. we live, sakura either town or scum lets me find another conftown
sakura town, target scum: i die alone. lynch the target
sakura scum, target town: well if scum decides to kill my target we know who to lynch
sakura scum, target scum: i die i guess. still lynch the target

and now i go back to my paper. finals smh

of course i'm hoping GIF is using hide > roleblock tho since it really depends on mod

[Marquis]

i'm not sure how to take that but i'm pretty sure we don't have the same meta / what happened in the past is totally happening now but ok

pedit i'll think about it. you guys are distracting me. this thing is 30% of my grade

pedit2 bert there are two kills. if i decided to make a hider fakeclaim today as scum why would i do it with the risk of mac actually being part of another scumteam, not allowing me to assume he's automatically town since he's not with me? basically i hid behind mac last night. i didn't die. if i was scum faking that it'd be a huge risk especially with, bar scum vig, another scum floating around that could destroy my claim with an inopportune flip

pedit3 ok i'm done with your conf bias. i thought i could pull off a gambit but in hindsight it was dumb and didn't help with anything but making me look scummy. good night.

[Marquis]

would another pr, a vig, make sense with this many confirmable/trustable prs

multiple scum kills to quickly off the prs makes so much more sense

[Marquis]

GOOD NIGHT. I MEAN IT NOW BECAUSE THIS PAPER IS STILL ON PAGE 1.

[Marquis]

ugh one last thing because this is so dumb.

in the real world, most modern legal systems aren't like in ace attorney. as in, instead of me having to try and find reasons that i haven't thought of before as to why my clearly town role isn't scum, maybe you should consider me innocent until proven guilty. because it's really really really fucking stupid when you're trying to push the town hider as scum when there are much less confirmable claims out there (doctor, jk), just because you don't like who i'm targetting and what i chose to do.

pedit mac they wouldn't have because i was v/la until night. i took the best risk i could because i didn't feel like you were that scum and i didn't feel like you were that nightkill-worthy

[Marquis]

like you guys need to stop scrambling for reasons and scenarios where my hider (hider? *gasp*) claim would be false and start actually looking for real scum

[Marquis]

the only safe way for scum to claim hider is in a situation they can completely account for. no extra variables, no extra scum, no extra kills. otherwise it's much less reliable of a claim.

can you not see where i am coming from????????????

[Marquis]

i would vote sakura but frankly i'm tired of everything i do being construed to be "omg scumwords"

[Marquis]

On phone will elaborate later but:
Doctor would be on channeler
I didn't trust sakura
Stupid massclaim causing town pr reveals
I claimed 2-shot hider to live
Edgeworth is actually cop
Theslimer3 is guilty.

vote theslimer3

[Marquis]

Well if anyone's at L-1, theslimer3 has to be on the wagon to prevent a quickhammer from him. And that's not happening
I was thinking I shouldn't claim so early, but meh what's done is done

[Marquis]

That's a really silly suspicion and once I get home I'll explain why

[Marquis]

VOTE: KA

[Marquis]

wowzers

[Marquis]

oh I should explain why this can't be a scum fakeclaim brb

[Marquis]

well i have to eat dinner now but summary is that scum were given fakeclaims in Moe and Will Powers, and Sakura proved they were fully robust with flavor and everything ("i make bad jokes" and stuff iirc)

the only real explanation for why I took so long and refused to claim is because I was formulating the hider-and-not-die plan for today. if i was scum i could easily have just gone with the massclaim and claimed whatever the given fakeclaim told me to, instead of stalling due to not knowing what to do when 1) i needed to claim role and 2) i needed to claim flavor for hider

in other words i hid this real gambit behind a fake gambit of "oh i was pretending to be flavor checker" that scum clearly knew was false due to me not challenging the given fakeclaims earlier, so they in particular had more reason to believe i was hider.

it was slimer being like the only person to seem to believe me that made me inspect him and huzzah guilty.

so anyway

VOTE: slimer

pedit mac i can't tell if sarcasm or w/e but wow i'm just happy i'm not dead so yeah.

[Marquis]

crap i should have waited for ssk to claim a "no result" on me lol that would have been even better. darn

[Marquis]

could be morgan fey but i don't see how he could be so willingly pro-town with the eventual risk of "why isn't he dead yet"

[Marquis]

ok wow this is really stupid and ssk is scum too ofc

bert don't be dumb and please read my reasons why i am town

[Marquis]

bert if I'm scum explain to me why i would gambit claim hider, then claim cop

literally nothing i am doing makes sense as scum. you're voting me because you're only looking at today (omg this happened before somewhere) and not even bothering to reason out why i would do what i did yesterday

i'm fairly sure most cop claims are legit and how you're using "desperado did this before as scum" makes no sense if you have to also be thinking "marquis and desperado play the exact same way and therefore marquis can only be doing this as scum"

[Marquis]

"hi i'm marquis and since town tracker ssk found out that i targeted geists and only geists last night meaning i am a regular scum with no other special powers.

i might as well reveal now that i claimed 2-shot hider as regular scum goon just for the lolz when i wasn't previously being scumread at all.

i mean it's not like sakura had a town jk fakeclaim ready at any time when she was really mafia jk.

and of course edgeworth must be in the game due to his importance like phoenix and likely maya

also of course edgeworth who is an inherently good character unlike damon gant is scum

so yes, i am marquis who is also miles edgeworth the scum cop. and i pulled all of this crazy shit just because i'm scum not playing to my win condition"

innocent until proven guilty. and slimer and mafiassk are proven guilty.

[Marquis]

also if you're seriously believing mafiassk just on name/experience comparison alone which is what it looks like right now that is even dumber

[Marquis]

that pretty much translates to "we're not 100% sure you're a good character so therefore you must 100% surely be a bad character"

pedit oh i'm sorry i offended you but to tell the truth your paranoia is actually really dumb

pedit 2 part of the reason i hate meta things and site history stuff is because people have this silly tendency to say things like "well it happened last time so it's clearly happening this time too"

[Marquis]

but you see bert, i'm willing to get you to think logically. we can start with you quoting the main posts that convey all of my true scum motivation

pedit oooooh geists wanted to lynch me ooooooooooooooooooooh i killed her because of it oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh i didn't think you would notice

literally everything i have to say now is sarcastic because i am just that flabbergasted by your tunnelvision.

[Marquis]

well let's see

notice how everyone now is like "ok there's mafia plus sk probably" which is more than i even assumed. me being the first one to point out that vigi would be ridiculous doesn't make me scum

me as scum: assume vigi because i know my scumteam is overpowered
me as town: assume multiball because there's a heck of a lot of legit-looking pr claims

pedit oh ok i can show you those

where slimer agreed with me:

So Slimer, how would you describe your own play so far this game as compared to our last game together in Mentor/Mentee?

Well in the previous game I couldn't find a read. In this one, I can't catch this game without 4-6 pages inbetween. So I'd say a big difference.


But what I can say is

but it's really going to suck because she probably isn't.

Miles Edgeworth, 2-shot Town Hider. Mac's clean

This

really hoping sakura is town

UNVOTE:

and this is what i wanted to do

i want sakura and i to target the same person.

sakura town, target town: target and i die, lynch sakura. we live, sakura either town or scum lets me find another conftown
sakura town, target scum: i die alone. lynch the target
sakura scum, target town: well if scum decides to kill my target we know who to lynch
sakura scum, target scum: i die i guess. still lynch the target

and now i go back to my paper. finals smh

of course i'm hoping GIF is using hide > roleblock tho since it really depends on mod

and this

Doesn't seem like scum kuniving. Looks more town strategizing to me. Tell me how I'm wrong if you'd think so.

also i inspected him/her for the fact that he was quiet for 200+ posts while i was getting tunneled, but easily defended me after the hammer was placed on sakura. asshole

as for ssk, i don't have a scum case on him/her but they're lying through their teeth in an attempt to mislynch. there is nothing gambity about that at all and so it is scum :)

[Marquis]

(hint: i think slimer was hoping to whiteknight me today but there's no chance of that working out for him now lol)

[Marquis]

I'm not home anymore so I will be sure to comment on your cherry picking and inability to look at the big picture later
In the meantime slimmer and ask stop mysteriously disappearing, get back in here, and back me up on how much townier I am than you two

[Marquis]

also i inspected him/her for the fact that he was quiet for 200+ posts while i was getting tunneled, but easily defended me after the hammer was placed on sakura. asshole

as for ssk, i don't have a scum case on him/her but they're lying through their teeth in an attempt to mislynch. there is nothing gambity about that at all and so it is scum

(1) And yet you didn't mention any indication of why you thought she was scummy yesterday?

(2) nothing gambity = scum? So scum don't gambit?? No....

I'm not home anymore so I will be sure to comment on your cherry picking and inability to look at the big picture later

What a wonderful world when scummy things being called out is interpreted as cherry picking! Lol.

Really, your inability to see how scummy you are when things have been pointed out is a huge red flag. Instead, flicking it back at us like we're donks and you're logical and we should be more logical.... that is a terrible objective thing to do

did you guys not see my post it was a pro

mac is still town btw. he replaces pie for me <3

Yeah, copping Mac when you think he's town after D1 is pretty sketchy.

My reasoning around that was if Marquis is SK, then he has no way of knowing that Slimer is town, so there's a decent chance we'd be lynching scum anyway. If SSK is town though, then that implies that Marquis is likely the SK, because I think that it's usually the Mafia that kills the Doctor, and the SK that goes for someone else.

If Marquis is town, the Mafia are Slimer/SSK, which means Kalimar is probably SK.
If SSK is town, then Marquis is SK and the remaining mafia is two of Slimer/Kalimar/Mac. The fact that I think Marquis was the only person who thought that Pie was a universal townread despite being one of the major wagons of D1 supports this as well.

It looks like I'm going to need to do some rereading afterall. Meanwhile Marquis, could you give flavor explanation for EdgeworthCop? I didn't question it before since it makes far more sense than tracker, but it doesn't seem quite as well aligned as everything else seems to be for the moment.

I mostly wanted you to use it on me because it pretty much was game over if you used it on scum, and I knew that I was a potential mislynch, so I thought it was safest. Unfortunately this doesn't really give me anything new to work with, but I think that's better than just losing the game on the spot.

And If I had any information, I would have given it by now. Just treat me like a VT, because that's pretty much what I am right now.

GIF uses NAR, so my track won't get through the Hide.

I wish you hadn't said this, but I still think you track Marquis.

I really don't think through things. Sorry.

So Ffery/Nat wanted MafiaSSK to track Marquis.

Those accusations quite hypocritical coming from you.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

SSK, Slimer, 1 of Mac/KA (don't think they could be scum together), and Kalimar.

^that was Sakura's reads list.

PEd:
SSK: 0% Town / 100% Scum
geists 20% town / 80% Scum
KA 35% Town / 75% Scum
Slimer: 40% Town / 60% Scum.
Everyone else at 50/50 here. However if KA is scum Mac is 100% town.
Bert: 65% Town / 45% Scum
Cabd 80% Town / 20% Scum.

So Sakura would vote her scumbuddy pretty much twice (once on D1, another time on D2, then proclaim him/her the scummiest of all.

Marquis, you copping slimer doesn't match up with your play so far, whereas SSK was convinced to track Marquis. I guess maybe as scum you don't kill the tracker in case he's protected? Still weird though.

And then her comment "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is ODD.

EBWOP: I meant to say - So if SSK were scum, Sakura would have been tunneling her scumbuddy the whole game duration? Doesn't seem likely.

Wait what!?
Okay obviously bullshit. I know I've been inactive most of this game, but seriously, this game started nearly 2 weeks ago, minus the two separate night phases, and every time I look at this thread there's at minimum 300+ post for me to have to root through before I post.

The fact that you claimed 2-shot hider to live isn't something scum isn't capable. It's called planning. And you reclaiming cop is even more scumlike.

Such a gambit makes me really think that either scum has a second kill or they have plans for the other third party that they're using to win.
Furthermore edgeworth as a cop doesn't look legit anyway.
As an AA character who's only goal is to prove guilty on any opposing force, that makes me think you're claiming cop now so you can say later

"Oh lolz I was just playin I'm naive cop "

VOTE: Marquis
Get rid of this scum.

Sakura putting both scumbuddies in her reads list would be odd

Ssk was her top scumread; Slimer was also in there.

Someone hammer the liar.

[Marquis]

oops i meant to respond to all of those. brb don't hammer because i'm getting all the quotes from that other game where sakura was scum and tunneled her scumbuddy the whole time

also bert, you were right. the same thing that desp apparently did is happening again. except it's ssk that's doing it: claiming he tracked me to geists is his last chance. because if you followed me like you should and slimer flipped scum, we would inevitably lynch ssk for not dying and claiming the second town investigative role. see:

sakura was the jailkeeper to cabd's doc
mafiassk is the tracker to my cop

ok so brb getting my final stuff ready, showing you why you're wrong so you can't possibly blame me for a loss postgame, and so i can safely enjoy myself in the dead thread where you'll get to read "i told you so" with the town loss that could have been completely prevented

[Marquis]

so first let's start with sakura tending to tunnel and scum/null read a partner

Scum team of Generic, Sakura Hana and Sound of Silence Have Won the game!

Hmm i was thinking of giving town points for the little joke in the doc business but what you said makes sense, and you've also covered any possible questioning i could give to your post since you've explained everything, dang... you're quite a good player.
UNVOTE:
I do agree with you on the fact that Generic is acting odd and doesn't seem to want to discern the alignment of said Hydra tho i always believe a vote is better backed up with a question so
VOTE: Generic
Generic can you tell me why does it matter to you and how will it help you discern the alignment of the unknown hydra?

P-Edit: wth is with that post Treble?

after she made a

big deal

that I was still voting for her.

This is blatant misrep, I already said i dont care about your vote, i care about your reasons behind it, and of course, the motivation for it.

I agree, i'm thinking NotMara and voodoo are town, Generic null-leaning scum, Treble null-leaning scum, and everyone else null

How funny of you mara to notice that, but not notice that we had already talked this over before.

And I started the wagon, so.... yeah, omgus
A reminder to everyone: scum have daytalk in this setup; D3f just asked for help in his QT and responded with this. It made me chuckle

wait what? scum have daytalk? o.o

Why do i always not notice when they do.

yeah i somehow always fail to read sample role PMs this happened also during pyp which is one of my latest finished game.
Dang then maybe im wrong, because scum always sneaks past by when they have day chat.

So unless Generic hasn't been paying attention he should've known scum have daytalk by now. Unless you have a reason for purposefully missing those 2 posts?

For clarification, I get scum points for not noticing day talk, yet Generic gets conf town for not noticing it TWICE.

Contradicting much?, i smell something fishy here...

Ah, the number next to his name threw me off. Indeed, there are two scum between those seven in D3f's wagon.

My money is on Generic and Treble. Now where's the 3rd hmm

Town: NotMara.
Leaning Town: Karnage, Siv
Leaning Scum: TIP, Treble
Scum: Generic.

Sound of silence and mutley get a null, SoS for not much posting and mutley because idk how to read him.

Not really

But i find it odd how you're coordinating attacks with your scum partner. Now who's the 3rd... the fact that you're defending TIP makes me think my hunch on TIP being scum is right.

My previous post was directed at Generic.

Also i called out Generic and Treble, Generic is the scummier of the 3, so what do you mean with that on your quote of my 668?

Notice she ignored my points. Because her post against me was pure mud slinging.

No your post is pure BS.

of course I couldn't find a case of her scumreading both partners, since she's only been on a 3person scumteam like twice but that doesn't negate how it actually is happening here.

[Marquis]

also i inspected him/her for the fact that he was quiet for 200+ posts while i was getting tunneled, but easily defended me after the hammer was placed on sakura. asshole

as for ssk, i don't have a scum case on him/her but they're lying through their teeth in an attempt to mislynch. there is nothing gambity about that at all and so it is scum

(1) And yet you didn't mention any indication of why you thought she was scummy yesterday?

(2) nothing gambity = scum? So scum don't gambit?? No....

(1) I'm sorry, I was too busy getting tunneled, and when I finally remembered their existence in the game, it was as I said

when they finally only posted after the hammer was placed .

(2) I don't think you understand. I know for a fact that MafiaSSK is lying about their power, but unlike me lying about my power

in order to avoid being nightkilled

yesterday, I cannot see any town motivation at all in SSK's attempt to mislynch me and win.

I'm not home anymore so I will be sure to comment on your cherry picking and inability to look at the big picture later

What a wonderful world when scummy things being called out is interpreted as cherry picking! Lol.

Really, your inability to see how scummy you are when things have been pointed out is a huge red flag. Instead, flicking it back at us like we're donks and you're logical and we should be more logical.... that is a terrible objective thing to do

did you guys not see my post it was a pro

mac is still town btw. he replaces pie for me <3

Yeah, copping Mac when you think he's town after D1 is pretty sketchy.

(1) You're right, I honestly can't see why you think I'm scummy. I performed a gambit Day 1 in the form of a fakeclaim so that I could emerge on Day 2 with a guilty or yet another conftown. The fact that this has all seemed to backfire just because MafiaSSK decided to go #YOLOEZWIN is incredibly frustrating, especially when I'm watching town implode right before my eyes all due to some paranoid tunneling.

You can't argue that "oh your point is invalid because you tunnel too". At least I question my own gutreads and change them if I think their posts are townier than I first thought.

(2) I'm going to say it again because apparently you didn't understand the first million times:

I am the Cop, not a Hider.

I inspected Mac because I didn't know what the hell to think of him after his Day 1 hammer babbling. I had to come up with that bullshit about thinking he was town in order to preserve my hider gambit

and not get killed

.

[Marquis]

I'm constructing my next post, but I'm going to risk you screaming "SELFMETA" and offer you a chance to read my play when I'm actually a PR.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30070

ALL of Concombre and Marquis are my Town Cop play. Same role. Same situation, almost.

[Marquis]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5173593

for example, as a town PR I fight against getting mislynched because that's the worst way to go

I also like how ssk is ignoring the possibility that, if he really knows I'm scum, slimer could actually be the other faction.

pedit I'm getting to that, I'm checking the rules to see how much I can release and it's in a big quote post in another tab

[Marquis]

My reasoning around that was if Marquis is SK, then he has no way of knowing that Slimer is town, so there's a decent chance we'd be lynching scum anyway. If SSK is town though, then that implies that Marquis is likely the SK, because I think that it's usually the Mafia that kills the Doctor, and the SK that goes for someone else.

If Marquis is town, the Mafia are Slimer/SSK, which means Kalimar is probably SK.
If SSK is town, then Marquis is SK and the remaining mafia is two of Slimer/Kalimar/Mac. The fact that I think Marquis was the only person who thought that Pie was a universal townread despite being one of the major wagons of D1 supports this as well.

It looks like I'm going to need to do some rereading afterall. Meanwhile Marquis, could you give flavor explanation for EdgeworthCop? I didn't question it before since it makes far more sense than tracker, but it doesn't seem quite as well aligned as everything else seems to be for the moment.

(1) You see, Bert thinks I'm mafia with Sakura. You're thinking that I'm more likely to be SK here. The fact that you both can't clearly pigeonhole me into either category

means I'm town.

(2) Thanks for making me realize this. Everyone has been treating Mac like conftown,

because I said so

. Why have SSK and slimer not even mentioned Mac in addition to their "scumread" on me?

Because they know I'm town, and know as a result that Mac is too. They're trying not to aggravate him.

(3) Flavor? Using my logic skills and desire to find the truth, I can help the court determine if a player is not guilty or guilty. Take that as you will.

I mostly wanted you to use it on me because it pretty much was game over if you used it on scum, and I knew that I was a potential mislynch, so I thought it was safest. Unfortunately this doesn't really give me anything new to work with, but I think that's better than just losing the game on the spot.

And If I had any information, I would have given it by now. Just treat me like a VT, because that's pretty much what I am right now.

If you already know the game's over with a mislynch/towndaydeathtoPR, don't even think of lynching me. Scum know this too and that's why SSK chose to reveal himself.

[Marquis]

GIF uses NAR, so my track won't get through the Hide.

I wish you hadn't said this, but I still think you track Marquis.

I really don't think through things. Sorry.

So Ffery/Nat wanted MafiaSSK to track Marquis.

Those accusations quite hypocritical coming from you.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

SSK, Slimer, 1 of Mac/KA (don't think they could be scum together), and Kalimar.

^that was Sakura's reads list.

PEd:
SSK: 0% Town / 100% Scum
geists 20% town / 80% Scum
KA 35% Town / 75% Scum
Slimer: 40% Town / 60% Scum.
Everyone else at 50/50 here. However if KA is scum Mac is 100% town.
Bert: 65% Town / 45% Scum
Cabd 80% Town / 20% Scum.

So Sakura would vote her scumbuddy pretty much twice (once on D1, another time on D2, then proclaim him/her the scummiest of all.

Marquis, you copping slimer doesn't match up with your play so far, whereas SSK was convinced to track Marquis. I guess maybe as scum you don't kill the tracker in case he's protected? Still weird though.

And then her comment "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is ODD.

(1) It is entirely possible that Sakura put those in her list as she did since she knew she'd likely be lynched. It's most likely a meta thing, but I can say for sure that at least one of those is scum.

(2) The fact that SSK "was convinced" to track me doesn't mean they're town. Not even close. That's plain appeasement that scum needs to do to survive a day. I'm cop and I'm investigating who I want, and by the time thread was locked after the hammer and that post, slimer was the most suspicious to me. (Well, technically SSK was the most suspicious to me since JK flipped mafia it was likely that the claimed tracker was bad, but that was something I didn't need to check to know.)

(3) "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" Pure WIFOM to add on the "they wouldn't really think I said both my partners were scum"

EBWOP: I meant to say - So if SSK were scum, Sakura would have been tunneling her scumbuddy the whole game duration? Doesn't seem likely.

She tunneled Generic the whole time in the previous stuff I posted.

Wait what!?
Okay obviously bullshit. I know I've been inactive most of this game, but seriously, this game started nearly 2 weeks ago, minus the two separate night phases, and every time I look at this thread there's at minimum 300+ post for me to have to root through before I post.

The fact that you claimed 2-shot hider to live isn't something scum isn't capable. It's called planning. And you reclaiming cop is even more scumlike.

Such a gambit makes me really think that either scum has a second kill or they have plans for the other third party that they're using to win.
Furthermore edgeworth as a cop doesn't look legit anyway.
As an AA character who's only goal is to prove guilty on any opposing force, that makes me think you're claiming cop now so you can say later

"Oh lolz I was just playin I'm naive cop "

VOTE: Marquis
Get rid of this scum.

(1) Prosecutor Edgeworth could never be a cop, no. I mean, the second/third-most important character in the first 3 games? Totally a VT. That's a completely empty statement made by you and you're trying to ride SSK's fake result back to your QT and to victory.

(2) "Naive cop" I said I had an inno on Mac and a guilty on you. Next time you try to fabricate my "scum reasoning", think harder, please.

Sakura putting both scumbuddies in her reads list would be odd

Ssk was her top scumread; Slimer was also in there.

Someone hammer the liar.

"if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is also another odd and totally scum-fabricated thing she did.

[Marquis]

I'm Cop.
I cleaned Mac.
You cleaned KA.
You cleaning KA can't possibly be scum unless it's an SK gambit combined with "there were better nightkill choices".

Sakura, Slimer, SSK. That's probably mafia. If none of them flip scum vig/extrakill and the game isn't over by the time we lynch SSK (if there is a mafia vig it'd be Slimer since Sakura's JK claim was legit in the way of power), we lynch Kalimar for SK.

Of course there's the possibility of Mafia/WW 2+2 and that SSK possibly extended a hand to the other faction to avoid crossfire. But that would be too overpowered imo.

[Marquis]

/phone post

Ssk revealed himself in a massclaim...yesterday, not today

I meant he revealed himself as absolutely 100% scum today. Tracker was yesterday.

[Marquis]

As I said, I wasn't paying much attention due to my V/LA. I still thought pie was obvtown. I skimmed and investigated mac since I thought he wouldn't die and I wasn't sure with his alignment at all. If I noticed people were voting slimer "for giggles", I probably wouldn't have investigated anyway.

[Marquis]

Bert, instead of asking me to say who scum were if I were town, who would scum be with me if I was scum?

[Marquis]

I claimed Hider because I would die otherwise with Cabd wanting to save your cool and townsounding role

why would I claim that if I was some sort of bulletproof

[Marquis]

I don't understand who you're talking to or what you're trying to say

pedit KA and Bert, this is SSK's last ditch attempt: he knows that when Slimer flips as I say, his Town Tracker claim will be just as valid as Sakura's Town JK was to Cabd's Doctor. JK and Tracker make more sense together, both being roles that yield results that can mean multiple things, except to scum. So he's trying to get me lynched today to at the very least guarantee a town loss.

Tell me again: why would I stall and claim Hider as I did night 1? I was trying to think of a plan and GIF couldn't come up with flavor for Hider. That is the explanation, and I hid it behind a "I tried to gambit flavorchecker" to fake scum out, away from my real intention of "don't nightkill me because I need another night for info".

It's already been established that scum have been given secure fakeclaims. Sakura had Moe, a minor character that I don't think she could have thought of on her own, and she even claimed it right away without being prompted.

So therefore, if I'm scum, how was 1) refusing to claim and waiting until the end and 2)

pie always does that quick-massread thing though so idk how reliable it is

i agree with bert. sakura's not hitting any scumtells for me at all.

VOTE: sakura

all of this from here on lol. also click if you want to see a time when i cared about the game

This is my biggest scumread. VOTE: Sakura Hana If you're not seeing what I see here, look at her ISO for yourself. It's really

too

much.

Sakura Hana (SE), Vanilla Townie,

committed suicide Day Two

[/spoiler]

Subject: Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

eh i don't like this anymore
UNVOTE:
null read on wisdom atm. more like I'm not going to do a big iso post but tone makes me wary
VOTE: Sakura for scumpartner with honey

Sakura was

Vanilla Town

Subject: Micro 228: Con Mafia (Game Over)

OK LAST ONE I SWEAR BECAUSE WISDOM TOLD ME TO

...

Marquis (00:49)
ever since we pointed out how sakura was talking to me as if i'll flip town
Marquis (00:49)
she's been careful to continuously insert things like
Marquis (00:49)
"oh but marquis will flip scum" in her lines here

...

Apocalypse have been killed Night 2. They were

Bret Maverick, Odd-Night Lie Detector

.

in conclusion because sakura is town, she is scum. end of story

in conclusion because sakura is town, she is scum. end of story

Why is this all of Marquis explanation for Sakura? It's sorta ridiculous.

it's sorta true

-- all of that --

... how is it at ALL consistent with scum playing against their win condition?

I'm town, and I did what I had to to survive. I willingly refused to claim and brought suspicion and 3 votes in a row against myself, then still didn't claim because I was thinking of what to do. I could have easily, very easily, brought out a fakeclaim. But no, because I didn't have one, and I'm Edgeworth the Town Cop.

Sakura had a fakeclaim in minor witness Moe, but was really the convicted/guilty Damon Gant.
If I really have a fakeclaim in major series innocent/not guilty/proved to be inherently good several times character Edgeworth whom nobody has counterclaimed, what the hell is my real role?

The answer is nothing, because I'm telling the truth. Edgeworth practically symbolizes logic and deduction, and if you think this game has him not in the game/as scum then you really need to go replay your Ace Attorney.

pedit last if you guys "randomly pick", make sure it's slimer

[Marquis]

I may have missed what 1334 a response to, but "Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!" is an Edgeworth quote, so it couldn't have been a Phoenix softclaim.

oooh I missed that. Even more reason why I'm town because scum could have aiming to kill Edgeworth.

[Marquis]

i've burned myself out by actually trying

if anyone wants to ask questions, won't purposely try to read it as exclusively scummy, and isn't confscum feel free to do so

[Marquis]

Really hoping KA's power is actually useful.

[Marquis]

Oh, didn't see that last post.

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

This was pretty frustrating. Without the counterclaim result, my plan could have worked out really well.

[Marquis]

Yeah, I was relieved when the "not dead" part of the plan worked out perfectly. I didn't expect MafiaSSK to give a result like that.

[Marquis]

Mac, now that the SK is down, and you have KA, Bert, Slimer, and SSK as all practically confirmed town, should we expect to find the mafia in the remaining two players (i.e. you and Kalimar)?

[Marquis]

I didn't troll in Con Mafia. I thought Stubbs was scum and hammered before the opportunity went away. :)

[Marquis]

Yeah, I pretty much gave up on trying to convince you guys to believe my claim after Mac suspected me. I was banking on him to follow me because I said he was town, but I forgot that's not always how the game works.

Whatever. SSK made a really good play on his part, and it was hard fighting it. GG.

[Marquis]

And Mac, I still don't remember what you're referring to from Con Mafia.

[Marquis]

this was frustrating but overall i enjoyed the game. AA ftw