Newbie 1544 - Shakespeare Mafia: GAME OVER!

[aphix]

VOTE: klingon


Who doesn't want to kill a klingon!?


Also, I'd like to request that anyone with a town role do not self hammer. I'd also prefer not self votes at all, but unlikely to see that as someone is going to self vote RVS anyways.

Alright. Closest thing to being helpful I'm going to be. I'll leave anything else up to the IC.

[aphix]

Also, in as first!!!!

[aphix]

Jagged App is scum.

[aphix]

Well, no denying it. Instead just a "words have more power then votes" speech... Lets not start that again Jagged App. Words are just as strong.

[aphix]

In to game start was about a month so I also forgot I in'd for a newbie as well.

I'm not a fan but I think I've seen Klingons try to kill each other as well.

Jagged App: You have a few games under your belt. How do you imagine getting a game rolling goes? What's your opening game plan?

[aphix]

You guys are killing me. Open for twelve hours and we are on post 16 ....

Shinobi: good plan.

Roseylilly: What do you think of shinobis RVS sheep here?

Klingon: Why the IC vote? Classic newbie scum move there.

[aphix]

Hush shinobi.

[aphix]

I'll talk with you later about it. Remind me.

[aphix]

Is this not RVS in a noob game? Don't worry, my voting will be more suitable once the Random Voting is over.

Still doesn't explain to me why the IC?

[aphix]

I thought this was a RVS VOTE. NOW HES SCUM?

Scuse the caps posting on phone.

[aphix]

So why the vote on him?

[aphix]

Good intro house.

Still waiting on Klingon. Talk to you later.

[aphix]

Roseylilly: What do you think of shinobis RVS sheep here?

It was an RVS vote, and it was only the second vote. I don't think it's a particularly scummy move.

I'm House, and I approve this post.

Agreed.

[aphix]

Hopefully House is has patience.

[aphix]

It doesn't matter if RVS has a purpose or not. You can totes question someone on their RVS.

I don't get why you're classifying my arguments as "white knighting" when I'm just trying to understand where this argument is coming from. It really doesn't feel all that important.

Funny, voting someone for acting scummy isn't all that important... but giving a player the third degree for casting a random vote on somebody that hasn't even posted yet (

and thus having no interaction to analyze

) is somehow justifiable?

Moonlogic.

It seems justifiable to me. The game hadn't started, aphix isn't sure how to get the game started, aphix is overaggressive, not to mention that I've never regarded overly aggressive questioning as a bad thing.

Aggressive and logical is good, but twisting a person's words to pressure them is b/s.

Hardly twisting words. Perhaps you are reading too much into the caps that are there because my phone weirded out and I wasn't going to go back and retype everything.

[aphix]

I'm not really sure what happened there, but I rest my case on Klingon. That is some super overreaction. Me asking why his vote is on the IC has all the sudden lead to whiteknighting and scum buddies. That's pretty extreme words for page three with NO interaction between the two parties.

I was just asking you why. Without a why, even for RVS it's hard to get the game going. Newbie scum tend to think the IC is better for some reason and tend to lean in that direction in my experience. The fact that you couldn't answer that question, is a bit concerting. Couldn't just say, it was a random vote. I rolled a dice. I don't like nachos. My mother beat me as a child. I don't know, instead you say, well he could be scum. Your first post voting for someone because they "could be scum" seems a little fishy.

I also like how you say I twist your words and now your saying I have an OMGUS vote on Jagged App .... Please look at my vote history.


I'm completely fine with my vote for now.

Shinobi I agree with you that the nacho entrance feels off. I don't necessarily see it coming from a scum perspective but we'll see.

[aphix]

Oh lets not forget Klingons definitely familiar with mafia terms and certainly has no hold back in throwing some weight around, but does toss out the "I'm a defenseless newbie card" right ....

Aphix post 16: "Klingon: Why the IC vote? Classic newbie scum move there."

Aphix post 23: "Still doesn't explain to me why the IC?"

Where in those quotes does anyone see the word "lurker?"

Nowhere, that's where.

I never said anything about Nacho lurking.

Someone's lying about my RVS vote.


Which is now a serious vote.

No, wait, I posted that too soon while highly distracted.

Nacho, are you Aphix's Scum Buddy?

Aphix, why are you White Knighting Nacho? Why are so so after a noob in her very first game here?

And, Aphix, why the OMGUS vote on Jagged Appliance?

Also curious where this lurking crap comes from ... Klingon pulls it completely out of his ass from what I can see in thread. Says people are misrepping his vote based on saying he said someones lurking, and that means a vote me is legitament?

If I somehow missed something can someone point where someone mentioned lurking business before Klingon brought it up?

... here.

Also

[aphix]

You guys are killing me. Open for twelve hours and we are on post 16 ....

Shinobi: good plan.

Roseylilly: What do you think of shinobis RVS sheep here?

Klingon: Why the IC vote? Classic newbie scum move there.

Is this not RVS in a noob game? Don't worry, my voting will be more suitable once the Random Voting is over.

Still doesn't explain to me why the IC?

I thought this was a RVS VOTE. NOW HES SCUM?

Scuse the caps posting on phone.

So why the vote on him?

House, where in here is there an indicator of rabid dog on a newbie?

[aphix]

I examined he caps. In the post no less. Wasn't meant to be there. I post from phone soemtimes it does weird things. Good focus on that. Anyways done speaking with you, the over reaction to rvs is all you. Not me.

House are you ignoring me?

[aphix]

Explained.

[aphix]

House: I don't expect anyone to know someone who hasn't posted is scum. Unless as stated, by process of elimination.

Hell I wasn't even concerned with klingon for most of it other then feeling like they were dodging questions, so I figured I'd poke. Rereading the thread still seems a lot of problems comign from post , that should read as:

I thought this was a RVS vote. Now he's scum?

HENCE.

Scuse the caps posting on phone.

I saw that I double tapped caps for RVS and didn't remove it. It's too much effort to retype on my phone AND:

Perhaps you are reading too much into the caps that are there because my phone weirded out and I wasn't going to go back and retype everything.

I wasn't actually concerned on Klingon's alignment other then potential 'newb' until 66 and their posts go down hill from there. They pull some crap about nacho saying she called him a lurker, which from what I can see didn't happen. They say nacho is lying about her RVS vote ... Nacho's lying(that I don't ever see happening) seems to be cause for me to be scum ....

In 86 me questioning their RVS vote becomes telling them they can't RVS vote. Please tell me where I stated that? And who's misrepping who now. They bring up the all caps bit, which I think I've been pretty clear on. Then in the same post, goes from being fairly reasonable, I'm being picked on to outright exploding all over the thread. Starts throwing in some name calling and insults. Then more on me lying ... I again never said you called nacho scum. I asked you a question.

Also, I really enjoy the attention spent on my OMGUSing Jagged App. Notice Klingon you are the only one paying attention to it. Because it was RVS crap meant to get reactions. You latching onto it and every other tiny straw and trying to make it into a case, is bullshit and overly defensive. You say I omgus voted klingon but blow up at me for giving you a little attention? Sweetheart, you either aren't suited to be on the internet your post is an indication of your blood pressure, or your post is full of faked emotion, because you are scum, and I'm the lucky mother fucker that poked the overreactive scum early in the game. I am pretty lucky so I'd vote that one.

[aphix]

House: Honestly don't know how to answer your question any better than, I don't. So if that's not enough, please rephrase the question.

[aphix]

Also, if you all think I was just overreacting to one thing, how about look that I was putting out feelers to multiple people. Jagged App hasn't posted since then. Rose posted a completely straightforward direct response, and I continued pursuing the one that was one, actively posting, and two, I have a bad feeling about their posting so far. Sue me. But you don't find shit in a pot without stirring, and I'm damn good at stirring a pot.

[aphix]

Luckily my read there doesn't solely have to do with overdefense. It's being being defensive when you are outright fabricating stuff. It's beyond lying just creating things out of thin air.

[aphix]

Not sure where the "site rules" things come from either. I could see it if you were both in games together currently. But considering Klingon isn't currently in another game on site not sure what site rules you would be breaking. Seems a little odd to me.

[aphix]

There isn't much to elaborate on there Jagged App.

[aphix]

House, actually I've come to the conclusion already based on the few games I have, that I don't play by site meta ... I'm not really a big fan of how you are assuming here, instead of interacting. Nor how your trying merge a tone from helping Klingong(Which is either fine and SE being helpful, or it's leading someone.), and transitioning that tone into an attempt to persuade me.

VOTE: House

Whole things reads fishy. Don't like it.

[aphix]

You have one vote on you and you already jump to:

I don't care if you lynch me right now, the numbers are in town's favor.

Not much town motivation there in my viewpoint. May only be antitown play, but a little early to start on the apathy. This needs to be lynch if its going to continue like this.

[aphix]

You guys mind saving it for your night chat?

[aphix]

You guys mind saving it for your night chat?

Town doesn't have night talk.

My point exactly. I think I'm going to be gone into tomorrow or more unless we get some town players in here and something exciting happens. Have a good night.

[aphix]

You might want to not play here if "trolling and asshole" leads to blacklisting.

[aphix]

You haven't read through all my posts here. I'm positive on that. And if you have and you are still voting me you are bad at this game.

[aphix]

Let's go ahead and have you provide some links and in depth examples along with my town games that prove it. Oh. Also please provide a relative sample size.

[aphix]

Here's a hint. You don't have the data to try and find meta on me.

[aphix]

House: I don't expect anyone to know someone who hasn't posted is scum. Unless as stated, by process of elimination.

Been meaning to ask... Why did I have to be patient for such a lazy, boring answer?

I figured you were working on some big reveal, but then that ^^^ fizzled out.

No particular reason. Although what sort of big reveal you were expecting this early in a game, I'm not really sure.

[aphix]

I have one hydra with Jingle. So no.

I'll agree I highly doubt the house teach is scum on scum, but I really think it could be scum setting up a potential mislynch after his flip. I don't like any of the house play. It makes me feel dirty.

[aphix]

Only through site chat. Haven't played with them, no.

[aphix]

Yay. Welp next time I'm going to aim just not to try and engage anyone and get the ball rolling I'll just be called names. For fucks sake.

Glad you are here WBO. And huh, ER

[aphix]

Yay. Welp next time I'm going to aim just not to try and engage anyone and get the ball rolling I'll just be called names. For fucks sake.

Glad you are here WBO. And huh, ER

[aphix]

Nothing more then indicated by my actions. Have a scum read on House, which leans me town on Klingon. Not much else to go on at this point.

[aphix]

Please read my posts.

[aphix]

I move votes? I have two votes this game unless I'm mistaken? Pretty sure I've explained why I'm moving them. Now if you want to say reasons you don't understand? Sure I can understand that as I'm not likely to have a full logical case or anything very well founded beyond how I read the thread. You'd have to trust me when I say I do fairly well with it.

[aphix]

Yeah. What about that RVS you think is weird?

[aphix]

So I guess I'm lurking by WBOs posts? Alright good to know WBO.

[aphix]

VOTE: WBO

I'm just going to get it out of the way. I'll just hope being ignored on the House front does cause issues in the future. I don't like the complete lack of stance he has taken.

[aphix]

Oh, can you elaborate on my motivation?

[aphix]

in 229 more then likely the second sentance should have been on the end. He refers to WBO.

[aphix]

I'll just hope being ignored on the House front does cause issues in the future.

Alrighty then. So, are you upset that people are ignoring your opinion of me? If so, have you examined that opinion objectively or are you (like me) stubborn and tend to stick to your guns?

Welp, honestly since I've called you scum to me your posts have become more cold and calculated House-like. Which is still a concern. It does take a lot to change me off my gut reads. We'll have to see. I don't have anything stronger to go off of and people don't see the same things I do. So hopefully I'm wrong in it.

[aphix]

oops.

I MUST KNOW HOW TO EDIT

but this is why I'm not aggresive.

Yet.

"That ... Yeah that looks good. That goes for me too. Me too!"

[aphix]

Those reads are awful and mostly unexplained. In the case that some of them were explained, the explanations were bad.

I'll just keep my vote here then.

Damn you WBO, you are making me agree with Shinobi.

I'll never forgive you for this.

Agreement.

[aphix]

Really?! Raked over coals due to like what ... two or three questions? I have a whole bunch of expletives for you.

[aphix]

Ane probtown. Unfortunately I don't think they have a good grasp on the game state here ... I'm also concerned that at this point in the game they aren't going to take any firm stances. Yay. More fence sitting. At this rate we are going to be in another Newbie Game deadline lynch. This'll be fun.

House: Yes, there isn't anything else I wanted to comment on at the time about your readlist. Also, just as likely you don't want to see a wbo lynch on your scum buddy thanks to an RVS vote, but either way good advice.

Ane: If you really care to know about that exchange, if you haven't figured it out it was all about trying to get responses and get the game rolling. I continued pushing on it as NOTHING ELSE WAS HAPPENING. Again, if you'd please read the one post everyone is basis me being a complete dick on not in caps because it wasn't intended that way it wouldn't be as fucking extreme as you guys want to continue leaning on.

Although honestly, from what I've seen in games I've played and read, newb scum well tend to focus on IC, SE in terms of pushes. They tend to see them as the biggest threat I would assume so try to push there. Unfortunately IC and SE aren't always the people with the most mafia games in.

[aphix]

It's not a tell so much as a point of interest, place to start.

[aphix]

No legit reads = No posting about reads

Everyone is really null

This needs to be lynched. Period.

[aphix]

[quote="In post 311, Klingoncelt]

So Aphix and Shinobi are the scum team?[/quote]


You won the game on page thirteen? Without many players posting and tons of replacements. And really haven't attempted to develop your reads or scum hunt. Your right. Let's go home. Game over.

[aphix]

I'm actually going to TRY now (watch House remark on this statement)

Once I come on to scene, House stops pushing Shinobi wagon

SUSPICION.

(weak)

Seriously, did you put a lot of though to undermine your own post? I've seen posts this bad, which I was aiming to make people think they were conf biasing on me. Luckily I don't think this is the case here, which indicated to me hmmm. ... Well if I say what I think I'll just be considering more of asshole.

Because house ninja'd me, he has a point there too. Since he's still been pushing shinobi in my opinion.

[aphix]

So why the vote on him?

So why not?

Is there some rule I'm unaware of that says that you're allowed to tell the noobs how to vote?

Your overreaction to an RVS vote makes it pretty clear, you and Nacho are scumbuddies.

Okay, game over, Town wins.

Yay!

In/next

Your right. You won on page three. Go home, already.

[aphix]

No

[aphix]

Although I wouldn't be surprised to see an unvote once the person reads the game.

Because I was ninja'd:

So you'd assume scum before bad logic ... While providing no actual reasons of your own. Or was to track your thought process. Just accusations and holding to a single vote all game. In the least you are anti town. Or your scum.

I suspect the former.

Though now my no might make sense.

[aphix]

Although I wouldn't be surprised to see an unvote once the person reads the game.

Because I was ninja'd:

So you'd assume scum before bad logic ... While providing no actual reasons of your own. Or was to track your thought process. Just accusations and holding to a single vote all game. In the least you are anti town. Or your scum.

I suspect the former.

Though now my no might make sense.

I thought your "no" was referring to the slight error in the vote count.

It was.

[aphix]

There is no single scum,
there is scum TEAM.

So, if x is scum, who is x's partner, and how could they be x's partner?

Really, House? This is so town to you?

[aphix]

@House - Shinobi is leaning ever so slightly town for me.

Or this. How about there is about 150 pages between her replying to House's reply to this post ... Then to her read list saying Shinobi's scum. Going from town to scum read on a player. Not MENTIONING that playing. Not trying to engage that player. Not attempting to do anything. Either she had NO basis to call this scum or something so drastic happened that she was just paralyzed from responding. I don't see how you go from town to scum on someone without trying to interact with your town read to find out what's going on.

Klingon is just currently following the path of least resistance. And town shouldn't be flowing water here.

Let's go ahead and have you provide some links and in depth examples along with my town games that prove it. Oh. Also please provide a relative sample size.

Klingon, you also failed to go through this. You have meta on me that says I'm scum. But don't share it? Maybe because you didn't read my games? You possibly scanned through some ISO's without actually seeing context? There's also the face that I have two scum games ... only one of wish I lasted for any length of time in. And I was a horrible lurksack in that game. And you considering my aggressiveness in this game as comparable? How about games where I play the same aggressive day one play to draw the night kill and flip VT? Again, please lets go ahead and see in depth analysis of my meta. If it gives you such assurance I am scum I'm sure you well convince others. You could probably wrap up the game in just two days sense you are just such a Mafia genius. Lets do this.

[aphix]

VOTE: klingon

Seriously. Lets do this.

[aphix]

There is no single scum,
there is scum TEAM.

So, if x is scum, who is x's partner, and how could they be x's partner?

Really, House? This is so town to you?

intellect != alignment

There's not just the lack of intelligence. Bad logic or anything is fine. Lack of content isn't. There isn't any attempt to solve anything. Like Klingon there is no developing of reads. Both of which are scum tells.

[aphix]

Still disagree with the read on shinobi unfortunately it's gut but I'm tend to be right with gut town reads. That and I still don't see your obv scum

[aphix]

On him.

[aphix]

Still haven't provided any supporting evidence of your sure fire scum read. Just he's scum and deciding which wagon is most likely to go through.

According to you, you have the evidence lets see concrete examples. Also all you saying by the time you posted I'm scum on meta you read ALL of my games? Every post in every game?

[aphix]

Also can I take a moment to say WBO is a conete waste of a slot.

[aphix]

WBO explain to me how. "NO YOUR WRONG SCUM!!" Is a good defense?

[aphix]

I read your ISO. As I stated in my fuckin. Post you didn't read there is no development of your shinobi read you go from shinobis town to I lean scum on him. No mentioning of him. No interaction with him. No attempt to interact with him. Nothing. Why is this a scum read? Not posting your reads or your thought process lets you decide when it'll be bwst to change your reads. And just claiming when they changed after the fact instead of having some sort of logical flow in thread.

You are revoting me so later you can say see aphix was wrong I was pushing his lynch when no one else was how's that the path of least resistance.

[aphix]

tldr: Klingon is scum. Please read just read iso. Effectively has done nothing except potentially derail two wagons. Explains nothing. Supports none of her reads or supports who she wants lynched. It in no way looks like someone bumbling in her first game. By her own recollection she's a great Mafia player and scumhunter(Who has yet to scumhunt in this game) and has what ... seven games under her belt. But has pulled multiple times the I'm new here card.

So ... Klingon. You are the only noob in this game. Cause although WBO posts are terrible. There is a chance he could be town. I'm going after you. Because I strongly suspect there is NO WAY you are town. At all.

You say I'm scum based on meta. But somehow I get from your words that it's from ALL my everything. Because you can't point out comparisons between any specific game and this one, at all. Nor responded to the fact that I highly doubt that you read ALL of each of the games I've been in. That's where context comes from. You can't read my posts only and say you know the context without reading the rest of the game. Oh, my other scum game I was lynched day one. So gain, please tell me where you make the comparison? What specifically in my meta makes me scum. Outside of those two scum games you might have access to my hydra game that we played until end game and drew? Because that's a whole nother ball game here.

You have NO bases for your scum read on me. You have yet to show bases for your town or scum reads. You are not supporting any of you play at all. You town read shinobi. Someone continues pushing shinobie, oh, he's l-2 you can make a counter wagon hit the hump, all the sudden shinobi is a scum read of yours. Out of the blue.

All of that ^^ is plenty of reason for me to scum read you, on top of the fact that I think your posts sound like they come from scum, the whole game. Guess what. I laid off my purely gut read, and moved a different route. Because unlike you, I'm not 100% solid on my reads on page fucking three. You know who is going to be? Scum. Guess what, you've stuck with that one scum read since RVS. And honestly you've done NOTHING THIS WHOLE GAME. At all. You are probably least beneficial to town then WBO and I think he's a complete village idiot.

To conclude. You respond to anything I say by saying it's bad. You don't build a case. You don't point out whats bad in it or why its wrong. So far you've stomped you feet and called me a meany. Decided I'm bad at the game, and have complained about it. That's not scum hunting. that's not furthering a town agenda. Instead you've pushed bullshit reads. Trying to push bullshit lynches and tried jumping on the bandwagon at an opportune time to try and create a counter wagon. The post where you tell the MOD that roseylily vote should be removed from the counterwagon to the wagon you were being pushed on. Was also bullshit. I could see town reminding the MOD that roseylily got replaced.

Oh, then you jump of shinobi wagon, effectively derailing two wagons. Back on me. Your 100% scum read since at least page three, I'm sure probably page one. I'd have to review your iso but don't really need to. A lynch that currently has no support. A lynch that YOU YOURSELF aren't even pushing. And you say I'm trying to set up a mislynch at some point in time? Like I'm being sneaking and not one hundred percent being clear on who I would like to be lynched this round?

[aphix]

Liking aphix for town. Shinobi can eat rope.

Not a fan of the WBO wagon, vi pl is bad.

Carry on.

I have a problem with this only because I don't think at least everything on voting WBO is VI. There is more there, it might be just a playstyle I don't like combined with VI. I don't know.

I also don't like the fact that House doesn't seem to be contributing much either. I'd like that to change if I'm going to have to play with him.

[aphix]

Bad timing just to be an ass.

[aphix]

Oh fookin' wah, iz I supposed to has sadz now?

I'm telling you guys, Aphix is NOT Town. I am. You'll see.

Says all the town players. All of them. What's funny is there are two people that know my alignment. Myself, who's honestly about it. And Klingon, that is lying about it.

[aphix]

I've noticed some patterns:

aphix - says people said things they didn't and bases arguments off of false evidence

Klingon - is asked for reasons/motivations and gives none/redirects.

So, aphix is an official member of the Bullshit/Incorrect/Nonexistent Logic Club, me being the host.

Please provide examples if you are going to accuse someone of this. Like. Now.

Read the thread, WBO. I answered the questions the first few times they were asked. I'm not big on reruns.

If I were deflecting I would have said something like 'Gee if this were the USMB site, both Nacho and Luca would have been lynched by now for lurking.'

But I didn't say that.

Aphix's fixation on me is ridiculous. He's not scumhunting, he's just making lots of noise.

Where? I saw no examples you've provided. You didn't link to even a GAME let along give examples of how that game I was scum and this game equals it. You haven't supported SHIT.

[aphix]

Yeah. I know you said posts. But then you have no context. as I said and you disagreed with. So I'll repeat. Without reading the games. You have no context. Which makes it very hard to read anything. Also, if you werent wrong. You'd provide examples to support all of this, but you can't. However I can iso you in this game and provide ALL the examples of what I'm accusing you of.

[aphix]

(1) Aphix keeps repeating the same things over and over, mostly in long posts. Klingonette doesn't know how to handle this.

Care to point where she actually answers my questions or explains why I'm scum or just continues yelling scum scum scum while closing her eyes and plugging her ears?

[aphix]

Just a heads up, baring something actually happening. I'm done today until I see klingons flip.

[aphix]

Just a heads up, baring something actually happening. I'm done today until I see klingons flip.

As hard as you've been at me, what do you think your chances would be if I got lynched, as I would flip Town?

Considering you aren't making any attempt at anything indicating a town play. Probably less then fifteen percent chance you are town.

[aphix]

Is it useful to build up meta upon games played on another page? (I tried it once but I failed miserably.)

No it isn't. Considering there is going to be a different site meta, individual meta is bound to be different.

But then even House who has played with Klingon and has decided her very first game here, based on my read of his posts is drastically different then town klingon off site, and house still doesn't feel the concern here, despite there is solid evidence of scummy behavior he'd rather nit pick with shinobi over BS.

Oh well. That's all I have time to comment on currently.

Be back in 48.

[aphix]

I said it would be different Evil. That doesn't mean there can't be similarities, but yes, your right. They must be exactly the same as it's the same person in potentially a very different setting. Good call Evil. Good call.

You do realize you as a person, react and act different at your place of work. At your home. At a friends house. Out in public. Setting plays an important role in how people act/react.

[aphix]

Wayyyyyyyyyy to miss the point entirely and I'm totally done with this conversation.
Because comparing a mafia game/sites to any of the above is stupid. ^

Actually House hit the point exactly. It's unfortunate that you can't grasp the theory.

[aphix]

I really wish I was playing a game with a vig.

[aphix]

VOTE: WBO

[aphix]

Wow. Alright. So if someone reads her bullshit post here. And believes it since not ONE BIT of my case revolves around her RVS vote ... Then there is no way you shouldn't lynch me period. And be done with it.

[aphix]

There's been one person still one hundred percent set on their scum read based on RVS. They claim they have proof someone is scum but don't provide it. Don't even point out what in this game is scummy. Period. They have continued to not provide content. They haven't attempted to scumhunt. Haven't even attempted to look at any other player in the game. Has jumped from town reading a player to scum reading them without any other interaction or mention. Has yet to actually provide any reason for anything they've ever done. It's so horribly anti town that I could lynch just on that alone. But it's also full of scum tells. Literally I'm done for today. Guys do what you want. I'll be on to prod dodge.

[aphix]

Despite Aphix's protestations against it, I've learned a great deal about all of you.

Alright. So if I'm fucking lying point out where I protested you looking at meta from this site? Please I'd like to know.

[aphix]

Ane: My case on her has nothing to do with her RVS vote. Where as she has done nothing but stick to RVS bullshit as a scum claim.

[aphix]

Ane: IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS I'M TALKING ABOUT KLINGON. Her WHOLE FUCKING CASE ON ME involves what happened in RVS which one she keeps bringing up in all sorts of terms from the begining that completely refuses to consider anything else I've ever posted, and continues misrepping me there. She then goes ahead and says I'm scum on meta, but can't back that up. At all. Now she's saying I'm blatantly lying about things. And CONTINUES to avoid any sort of evidence or examples. Maybe one of you can have better luck getting her to fucking explain but guess what, she doesn't have anything to explain. It's a bullshit case, made up of bullshit. She's managed to derail two different wagons so far. And her utter play is anti-town, evasive lying bullshit.

ANE: I DON'T SEE How you could get two things confused in 473 it's very clear one is talking my case and one is talking about klingons. If you don't see that fuck off.

[aphix]

Flailing? When I am at zero risk of getting lynched today? Yeah. Your dumb.

1) I didn't attack anyone. I asked a few questions. The fact you feel attacked is another concern.

2) My MS site meta proves I'm scum? Lets see it. Show evidence. Also, I said YOUR OFF SITE META is out of context you worthless slot. Try reading the game.
3) Please see number two.

[aphix]

One, YOu said you read my ISO, and maybe some posts around it. Which is highly suspect in itself considering you say you also read eveyrone elses posts. But without reading WHOLE GAMES you have no context.

Also, you've stated that this game is like my scum games. You haven't given any concrete evidence because it's blatantly fucking wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.


Both WBO and Klingon need to be lynched. Period.

[aphix]

Lmao this game is hilarious.

Agreed.

@Aphix and how would klingon be my scumpartner?

Who says you're partners. I said you need to die. Not that you are scum partners. Unlike some people I don't claim to have the game solved because I don't actually know who's what

[aphix]

In other words, Aphix isn't interested in hunting Scum.

"scum scum scum scum scum scum scum."

[aphix]

So she has meta that makes me scum. When asked to provide it she says scum!! But doesn't provide. She says I lied. Never provides supporting evidence. Now again she's mis replying and saying I said something I didn't. When asked to provide this evidence she quoted something that has nothing to do with this game and states I'm scum.

And you guys are look that's cool she's town. Because you are shit players.

[aphix]

house: not everything is about you. Several people have specifically stated she's town.

[aphix]

Ane: go ahead and read my posts. That tells you where her reads jump. Or just ISO Klingon and search for shinobi. It's clearly been typed up already.

[aphix]

Prod Dodge

Want to mention, Ane's I'll hammer a third of the players base without notice is FUCKED.

Noone has still provided any suitable reasons for me being on their scum list. The fact that Klingon isn't being list and refused to actually open up a dialog with anyone is shit. Same with WBO's accusations with no supporting evidence or providing any actually solid opinion.

WBO: Klingon hasn't repeated herself, she's continued to refuse posting content. If you think my shit is stupid, you are more a VI then I thought. I'll accept aggressive and dickish, but I am in complete control.

Also, I really enjoy in a day in a half with me not posting everyone else decided not to post. Thanks Ane for convincing me to not post anymore.

[aphix]

Hey Guys.
Nacho: I'm not sitting on an RVS scumread. Fuck you for thinking that. The statement of calling them scum was RVS and for intent and purposes of getting reactions. All of you have continued pushing that into some sort of scummy play. And half the push on me seems to be in regards to that. Which is letting scum push a mislynch on me. She says my games make me scum. I'd like to know where that comes from refusing to provide that indicates there isn't any information there. That bullshit push is more then enough for me to scum read her rather it was on me or anyone else. You can't say, I have evidence this person is scum and then not provide it.

My scum read came from klingon when I tried to actually have a conversation and she refused to do anything. To whoever stated klingon has posted content. Please show me where. I've seen her call me scum. She hasn't actually provided any reasons for that. Literally the whole game has been blank.

WBO is a worthless pile. Beyond VI play I also see scum motivation. I've mentioned why.

House: I feel has been completely evasive, and continues to be in my opinion. He is also dreadfully manipulative with his votes currently. And seems not concerned at all where they go.

Everyone else is very null, because noones posting shit or taking any sort of real stand.

I again like how I stop posting. Everyone does. really this town is going to just die in apathetic bullshit.

I've been very clear in my opinions and stances this game. Think this makes me scum?! GO READ MY FUCKING SCUM GAMES. Rarely am I aggressive or opinionated. Luckily it hasn't changed this time around. Seriously. If you believe klingons claim that my meta makes me scum you haven't looked at any of my games at all.

I'll be more then happy to hang out here for intent to hammer, but I'm not getting notifications or anything else. Though wouldn't be suprised in this game for some dickhead to hammer without a claim.

UNVOTE:

fuck this game. I honestly don't know where I stand on a lynch if we aren't going to lynch scum so ... we'll see how it goes.

[aphix]

Does aphix flipping town make me more likely to be town?

I'm interesting in seeing this as well.
HOUSE, anyone else that cares to answer if it applies to you. When I flip how does that effect your scum reads on nach and shinobi

[aphix]

Aphix is probably going to get lynched today and that really annoys me.

If it helps any. I either get lynched or I die tonight.

Every time I have strong scum reads I end up getting night killed. Usually one of them ends up correct.

PEDIT: Just what I was expecting. House still has a scum read on Nacho, thinks thats scum. Period. Flips aren't relevant to that. Even though he gave me "town cred" for "nacho's defense" Where was any sort of push on nacho? Good play there house. Good play.

Pretty much 100% sold there is scum in klingon and house.

VOTE: house

[aphix]

Yeah. And then someone hammers me for voting to stay alive. Which I'm not a big fan of and don't feel like someone hammering me for it.

pedit: No house. You are wrong. Period.

[aphix]

pedit: No house. You are wrong. Period.

No aphix. I am not. Your pissing match with Klingon is anti-town as fuck. Such things are to be expected from newbies, but you are an SE pulling the same shit.

Your right. Shit flinging to a lynch with no supporting evidence is totally the okay thing to do.

Fuck off. It's not a pissing much. It's me being tired of shit plays. Then HOUSE you further supporting it as a me versus a newbie when that newbie has as much game experience as I do is pretty shit as well. Go back to you god forsaken corner of the internet you fucktwad.

I've provided relevant reasons why klingons play is scummy. Noone has even tried discussing them with me. Instead players I have scum reads on are just personally attacking me. Not even the reads. I have a very valid reason to be fucking pissed and tired of this game. I'm playing it. Many of you arent.

House, you are just like klingon. It's only repeating if you actually said something in the first place.

[aphix]

If 'hard reading viable lynch options' (what makes one of those 2-3 pages in, anyway?) is more reason to make you appear town later in the game, and you are aware of this, then surely it is something you would do as scum, which discredits the argument you have just made?

If the argument I just made was "this is why I'm town", then it would.

That's not the argument I just made

.

Yes it was.

I asked why I was scummy and you weren't when we basically did the same thing, and you used that as justification for why you weren't scummy, which is the same as a reason for why you are Town.

See, I think Luca is getting confused about there being multiple different arguments and angles he's going here and trying to treat them as the same thing. The point being, is what you did, and what Nacho did are two different completely unrelated things. You can't compare them.

It is fishy to fence sit on the towns major wagons. Especially late in the game. Instead of having an actually stance on them or not. Is it scummy? IDK. I certainly know for me catch up and being in a game feel different and I get less solid opinions about a catch up then I do actively playing in a game. Just like spectating and playing are different things.

TLDR: Luca I think you are just running an argument longer then it needs to go, and I'm sure there is an official term, but I'm pretty sure this is just going to get into a circular logic that's worthless.

[aphix]

I don't like Mala disappearing after getting a chance to interact with me. Unfortunately, not a lot of opportunity to do anything with that today.

Vote: Anen

What the...

After telling me my house vote is pointless .....

[aphix]

VOTE: nacho

[aphix]

I well be stepping away. I'm going to have my laptop and phone but not going to be refreshing the page as often as I have been so don't go all crazy without me.

[aphix]

What the hell is going on in here? All the poo-flinging crazy accusations should have happened last week.

Do you guys want a policy lynch?
Then fucking make up your minds between me, WBO, and Aphix.

Do you want a Scum lynch?
Then go for Aphix, Shinobi, or Nacho.

Tick tock.

"I'm klingon, here's me advocating an aphix lynch without actually providing any content to the game."

[aphix]

What the hell is going on in here? All the poo-flinging crazy accusations should have happened last week.

Do you guys want a policy lynch?
Then fucking make up your minds between me, WBO, and Aphix.

Do you want a Scum lynch?
Then go for Aphix, Shinobi, or Nacho.

Tick tock.

"I'm klingon, here's me advocating an aphix lynch without actually providing any content to the game."

I'd like to add the tick tock is an attempt to further rush a deadline lynch.

[aphix]

What the hell is going on in here? All the poo-flinging crazy accusations should have happened last week.

Do you guys want a policy lynch?
Then fucking make up your minds between me, WBO, and Aphix.

Do you want a Scum lynch?
Then go for Aphix, Shinobi, or Nacho.

Tick tock.

"I'm klingon, here's me advocating an aphix lynch without actually providing any content to the game."

I'd like to add the tick tock is an attempt to further rush a deadline lynch.

The tick tock is appropriate at this late stage, but not placing a vote after applying such pressure is totally off.

There are ways to do this that is town. The words used and the fact it's combined with multiple recent mod posts makes me not like it. I am more then happy to agree to disagree here.

[aphix]

Her answer is she will always and forever vote me.

[aphix]

I thought this was the lynch you wanted all day House?

[aphix]

VOTE: house

Just read the end of day yesterday. There isn't town motivation at all with what happened.

[aphix]

VOTE: WBO

Thanks to Regal's posts, and WBO supporting them.

Really, you think I'm scummiest, most likely to be scum, but you state shinobi is scum no matter what and you've already paired down groups? No. That's bullshit.

[aphix]

May just because it's against me and I know my alignment, but Ane's post above reads as complete bullshit.

Go ahead and read the end of yesterday, just before the nacho wagon. Please everyone do. And you'll perhaps see why I think house is scummy, his jump off my wagon was something that I could see coming from scum. He'd rather me be alive and be mislynched later and lynch another town member. He pretty much wasn't worried about who gets lynched at all yesterday.

Calling it an OMUGS vote is BS shit Ane. "Oooh, someone you thought scum was yesterday, you mention there is more to it today .... Yeah, that's complete OMGUS. No reason for it what so ever."

Not to mention a few others on the Nacho wagon. That wagon was shit. The fact that everyone followed a naked vote start and didn't actually provide reasons was shit, and it was a worse wagon then the flash wagon that formed on me, that was also based around shit.

Unfortunately Nacho had enough suspension that his wagon might actually go through. There was some scummy play there, but he certainly wasn't my first choice.

Also, Klingon pull your head out of your ass and actually play the game.

[aphix]

Can someone explain why that happened?

Why what happened?

Nacho got lynched.

And I'm still not sure why that is.

All you have to do is read through the thread. Obviously the majority saw him as scummy. Unfortunately we were wrong.

Nacho's untimely demise isn't as curious as is Luca's sleeping with the fishes. Who did Luca scare?

No. Nobody gets to write off a nonsensical bandwagon as an "oh wellz" moment,

especially

when several people on the wagon had me as a scummier target and then hopped onto Nacho for very little. There is obvious scum motivation in pouncing on Nacho and most of those votes are unexplained or terrible.

When I get back from work, I'm going to parse it and see what's up.

Nacho came in looking to derail a wagon close to deadline, and it wound up biting him in the ass because it looked scummy trying to manipulate the situation into a no-lynch.

If he had posted a case against a different player, that would be one thing, but he just wanted voting basically reset and discussions restarted at 3 days to deadline without putting forth his own candidate with solid reasoning.

This was especially concerning due to the level of stagnation the thread had built up (or I wouldn't even need to be explaining any of this).

The question we SHOULD be asking is, why do players want WBO dead when Nacho was willing to die to protect him?

So, just to verify, Nacho townreading someone now that he flipped town on day one is an indicator they are town, House?

[aphix]

Good. I'm trying to ask a question and you continue being a worthless shithead. Good job.

[aphix]

So since that isn't the case, could you perhaps explain? What does Nacho willing to die to protect someone have to do with their alignment? Him dying and flipping down narrows down the scumspects but it doesn't rule anyone out based on his reads. And that's what I'm getting from that post. Nacho's opinion unfortunately isn't a tell on someones alignment.

You should understand this since you want me lynched still and he didn't.

[aphix]

Good. I'm trying to ask a question and you continue being a worthless shithead. Good job.

Loaded questions don't count, they are self-serving and I refuse to humor them.

WBO is the only one Nacho jumped in front of a train for, nobody else is going to exploit that sacrifice.

Lets talk about self serving. You derailing the wagon you were pushing on me for Nacho's wagon with little actually support. Other people blindly sheep you to a mislynch. Your response is to just go ahead and ignore two flips and go back to trying to push a mislynch on me ....

[aphix]

In post 601, Shinobi wrote:
Aphix is probably going to get lynched today and that really annoys me.


If it helps any. I either get lynched or I die tonight.

Also, fine. Since we are going to be a bunch of shit heads lets try to move this forward. Anyone want to tell me what this is?

Anyone want to guess why House is completely fine being the only person to actually hope off my wagon. Being the one that effectively derails it for no apparent reason but for lynching someone his NUMBER ONE scumspect just voted for?

Anyone want to guess why flips have NO regard to houses reads .... Because house is scum. Scum are way more likely to go and play lets kill whoever then a town player is. Scum is much more likely to ignore the current play today and go ahead and continue pushing mislynches. Scum is much more likely to try and push a BS case on me based on me being SE and being mean to the "Newbies" who he knows aren't newbies as he's played the game with them before. And knows they have as much documented experience with mafiascum as I do.

Klingon: You aren't playing the game. You are tunneling for shit personal reasons that has nothing to do with this game.

[aphix]

If I was so scum house, why did you derail my lynch? There was no reason for it, other then you were worried I wasn't going to be lynched and saw a second route for a mislynch, and could come back and push me today because town is blind.

Luckily for you, there is a better lynch today. If you were town and were reading the game instead of being scum trying to lynch me you'd probably follow that route. The fact that you are pretending it doesn't exist at all is an indicator you aren't town.

[aphix]

Maybe if you call me scum enough times in one post people well start believing your lies. Pretty shitty tactic to take though.

[aphix]

Care to explain why at deadline I was at L-4 .... WBO had one vote on me before Nacho got lynched. And you lead the jump off of my wagon ... I'm concerned with your series of the events. Because they are wrong.

[aphix]

Lets add to the fact that House made my wagon a reality and passed the hump while dropped WBO below halfway .... 528 and 558

You helped derail WBOs wagon as well. Nacho wasn't pushing an aphix lynch. But I was the counterwagon to WBO ... So please explain you nacho was a component of WBOs derail. When your vote switch to me, and then your vote switch to nacho were a major component in BOTH derails?

[aphix]

Luckily this WHOLE discussion has little to do with changing your mind House, I just like continuing to show how shit scum you are.

[aphix]

Too bad it just showed what a manipulative piece of shit you are for trying to exploit Nacho's sacrifice.

Is everyone from your site completely not willing to explain anything?

Also, I love the continued misrep. What would "nacho's sacrifice" if it happened which I still don't see anything that indicates it did, have anything to do with anything? Why does his play have anything to do with anything? Please explain.

Actually don't. We lynch WBO today. And then look for the scum partner. Which heres a surprise, probably going to be you since you were a big component in making sure he didn't get lynched.

[aphix]

Huh. Alright. So house is a shitbag on top of being scum. Anyone else want to go ahead and try to explain what he is talking about on how Nacho's play could be relevant? Cause all I see is taking Nacho's reads, cutting out everything that's not relevant to his play, and ignoring everything else.

House: If I was trying to exploit it, I'd be agreeing with you on WBO and trying to take advantage on how it applies to not scum me. I'm not. I'm explaining how him being town doesn't give him god reads. Also is relevant that the only reads your concerned about is when it furthers rather or not I get lynched because you are taken advantage of trying to keep off a WBO lynch. When it's pretty clear WBO needs to be lynched today. Period. No discussion needed honestly. Cause at this point, if that flips town, Regal needs to be lynched, for being scum.

Period.

Lynch WBO. It needs to happen.

[aphix]

Evil: You are letting house derail a WBO lynch again. I highly doubt people are going to lynch House. It's not going to happen today unfortunately.

[aphix]

Please read 775. Maybe something that you glanced over because I labeled the paragraph for house.

[aphix]

You already tried to ride the coattails of nacho's defense of wbo and only started undermining him after I called you out for it.

The amount of scumminess in your posts is overwhelming.

Says scum.

[aphix]

Really Evil .... You complain about people ignoring you. Then you decide to redirect your own push without any attempt ... And you throw suspension on the one person who is reading the game? Really?

For fucks sake either I'm completely blind or I just am going to hate trudging through this game.

[aphix]

Nah you aren't blind, but no one else is biting so let's drop it. Lynch House because unless you and WBO bussed it's either House or Kling for the partner.

Do put me at L-1 with intent. I look forward to it.

VOTE: house

I really want to see what this fake claim is going to be. Since he already planned on CCing in case Nacho claimed something.

[aphix]

Okay you heard him lets wagon House so he can fake claim a PR!

Alright. I forgive you. I love you for having the same thought.

[aphix]

hey WBO who are you going to shoot tonight?

[aphix]

Oh one last thing before I'm done for awhile.

I'm much prefer to see a WBO lynch, as if WBO is town, we'll have confirmed scum.

But if that isn't going to happen. I'll be more then happy on a House lynch as it's pretty solid he's scum.

[aphix]

I'm thinking even beating this town over the head with a god damn pipe is too subtle ....

I'm sorry, but I really thing WBO has to be the one lynched today. It's the smartest play. Period. I'm not going to see a House rush lynch today. It's not the correct play at all.

Also, I should NEVER be the voice of reason for town just so you all know, but unfortunately that's happening.

VOTE: WBO

[aphix]

I don't think that's going to cut it for me House. Sorry.

[aphix]

I don't think that's going to cut it for me House. Sorry.

I don't give a rat's ass, aphix. All I care about are my own reads.

Here's a hint. If you were town you would need town players to understand and trust what you are saying to be true. So here's further support that I think your play is scummy as all hell.

[aphix]

I just want to leave this for funsies so I can talk about how crappy a player you are at end of game.

I'm still convinced that the Scum team is Aphix/Shinobi.

At the other site the players have horrible ADD. A Scum player could

fully confess

during Twilight, and after the Night ends and the next Day starts, everyone votes for someone else, usually the Doctor.

I don't do that. I'll park in this tunnel until the game ends unless some compelling evidence changes my mind. Thus far I haven't seen any.

Hey, everyone, why was Luca NK'd?

ER I kinda want you to promise you aren't going to let a shitty lynch go through today.

[aphix]

Aphix, why was Luca NK'd?

Reading his ISO. It was a smart kill. I think he has town reads on town players. He's processing at a good solid logical pace and I feel he was helping to develop the game even when 1v1ing Nacho. You add that with regards to him not taking a really strong stance on me, but seemingly not willing to vote. It places WIFOM on my slot as there is possibility maybe he'll swing a vote my way come day 2.

A great combination of activity, confident if not accurate reads and a little disruption to the game is a kill that is going to further mafia play.

[aphix]

There's also POE involved I'm sure. I'm lynchbait. You don't shoot me. You don't shoot klingon or house(If they are town) due to the noise they are making. WBO if town doesn't get shot due to lynchbait material either. I don't think a correct scum play is to shoot lurkers most the time so shinobi is safe. The list dwindles down fairly quickly.

Top this off, shitty non information reads list to provide you with at least a list of where I stand.
Me: Super Town
Ane, Shinobi: town out of gut.
ER: town
Klingon: probably not scum
House: pretty sure is scum
WBO: Scum

[aphix]

ER: They could be. I find House scum much more likely. He has continued to be very manipulative in all aspects of play here. So I guess the most likely aren't partners more due to PoE at this point.

[aphix]

ER: They could be. I find House scum much more likely.

He has continued to be very manipulative in all aspects of play here.

So I guess the most likely aren't partners more due to PoE at this point.

Do explain what you mean by manipulative.

Please read the game. You can also read everything that I've explained about it.

[aphix]

ER: They could be. I find House scum much more likely.

He has continued to be very manipulative in all aspects of play here.

So I guess the most likely aren't partners more due to PoE at this point.

Do explain what you mean by manipulative.

Please read the game. You can also read everything that I've explained about it.

And you wonder why I have you as a scum read, you deflecting shit.

Good, because name calling is going to get you far at this point. I've stated my case on you. It's out there. Multiple times. Luckily I'm not looking for your self vote or your fake claims at this point. Just go home already.

[aphix]

Alright. Sorry guys. I think I'm done poking bears for now.

[aphix]

Well at least no PRs died.

Been thinking about it, and I'm really liking an aphix/Shinobi team. Half the scum team on the wagon, half off sounds about right, and it would explain a lot about the early game interactions between the two. Not to mention their similar approaches towards me.

Just a lot going on there that makes me want to lynch them both.

VOTE: aphix

Why are you townreading Aphix? This doesn't jibe with your original opening vote. What changed?

You're annoying me. You two just need to lynch me and get this dumb shit over with, I'm tired of this.

Not today.

[aphix]

GG Ane.

[aphix]

Really. You guys lynched the cop when it was really really obvious of the WBO lynch they were a PR?

[aphix]

Oh. nvm. The flips are messed up.

[aphix]

Welp much of what I have to say has probably been said.

I agree with Ane, the nacho lynch was crap but I think I've covered that already.

I wouldn't have had to say as much as I said if it wasn't for klingon continuing to push, but then it also helped me town read the slot so it's alright. I mean, even house noticed my D1 softclaim and seemed to back off. Unfortunately with him being the only one felt super scummy, but perhaps at the time he was the only one who saw what was going on. So in retrospect congrats on that house.

Fery, want to say greatly modded game. Had some issues recently with mod stuff and so having a well run game helps a ton.