New York 182 - Game Over

[Marquis]

VOTE: varsoon

guilty child

[Marquis]

i'm lazy af

you're actually like 28

we all have our bad sides

[Marquis]

well now we all know the real reason dgb is "retired"

[Marquis]

only 4 more votes to hammer

[Marquis]

less fisting more lynching

[Marquis]

sakura i love you but i'm going to ignore you until i can commit to a read on you

things work better that way

[Marquis]

watching

only 4 more votes to hammer

:neutral:
3 - even with the unvote,
Lrn 2 math.

Also okay with the idea of a Marquis wagon because...meh, why not?

nah it was 4

[Marquis]

Was the mod's VC wrong?

no it was right

but early blood is always welcome

[Marquis]

Well that doesn't work for me since i get reads out of interaction...
Unless you have some sort of deep reason to not want to interact with me.

i just feel whenever i interact with you i become... emotionally compromised

in other words i've formed townreads on you before without incident when you've been arguing things that aren't a scumread on me or that i'm wrong and just. i'm probably going to need some space to breathe. i don't want you to think i hate you but i think playing together works better like this.

[Marquis]

wolfy your emotions and evotions are not jiving with me

[Marquis]

Ok THAT makes sense, i remember harassing you a bit on PvZ due to thinking you were scum, sorry about that.
I'll give you some space for now then, but i'll eventually have to interact with you to form a read on you, and the sooner the better otherwise imma start thinking that you just want the right momment to try to strike me emotionally.

PEd: lolwoot.

and that open game but i'll quit while i'm ahead

[Marquis]

sorree

[Marquis]

VOTE: silverwolf

fine we can be serious now if you want

[Marquis]

seo is mean

[Marquis]

VOTE: varsoon

hated may not be on the explicitly non-normal list but there's no way nrg let it in with how prone it is to fucking things up

[Marquis]

sure

Code: Select all

[wiki]Hated[/wiki]

and thanks for the... compliment

[Marquis]

Hated

i should be nice even if u want to be mean

[Marquis]

that defense doesn't work when you claim hated in a normal

plus one of our last large theme games together i claimed hated as scum and won. so i'm not going to give you any leeway in a normal for doing that.

[Marquis]

oh i didn't see your rqs i just thought you repeated answer the questions re: hated as if you thought i'd just ignore you

your question 4 is bs btw

pedit

that defense doesn't work when you claim hated in a normal

[Marquis]

oh my god i already talked about that stop trying to be manipulative af

[Marquis]

re varsoon "D:" post

[Marquis]

So you speak for Marquis now, Sakura? I don't have enough experience to know what is normal but large normals seem to vary widely so anything you might know would be useful to people who don't know. Also, don't respond to things not asked of you, thanks :)

don't get so worked up over the same exact answer i would have given :)

psa for all: this is elusive's personality, so anyone attempting to read her as town because she's... not appeasing... should probably not

[Marquis]

only 5 votes. really.

hated is not normal.

i don't really care what your read is on me

don't care what your anti read is tho he's town anyway

but it's not normal and the varsoon+ego is performing a scum fakeclaim gambit.

i've played enough normals and have talked enough with normal review group people that you can't possibly suggest i don't know what i'm talking about. anti's played way more and we're in agreement over this. not only is it not normal, but varsoon's just handwaved away my point that he just saw me do this and win as scum by saying "just read me for my play" which is a common as hell delaying tactic for scum caught in a bad lie.

[Marquis]

since he actually didn't scumhunt on the wagon which, when I'm town, would be the first thing I did to a speed wagon on me.

to be fair he did scumhunt a bit

but only me and anti to discredit us when we called him out on it

[Marquis]

but only me and anti to discredit us when we called him out on it

He called me cute.
But, aw, you can't deny that grass is green, I suppose. :good:

thor is always cute

[Marquis]

@The Bulge

I'd like to replace out please. Very sorry for the hassle, but I can't follow this and still have energy/time left to contribute.

NO I LIKE YOU

:(

bbl movie time

[Marquis]

butt what if we're scumpartners this time

i told you not to bus day 1 :(

[Marquis]

So you don't have a case. Good to know.

this is a scum response

i'm just going to sheep anti the rest of the game

VOTE: pisskop

[Marquis]

also varsoon is still

um

:/

[Marquis]

house
varsoon
pisskop

i'm with anti on pisskop but i think house's play is rly rly similar to our last large normal right now

[Marquis]

i don't know how to feel about you right now

fix the problem

[Marquis]

ok usually i'm really good at keeping track of larges but this is just insane and you guys need to stop getting pissed at people who are struggling

[Marquis]

VOTE: varsoon

[Marquis]

i think scum-varsoon bit off more than he could chew.

[Marquis]

(yes notty that was an invitation to sheep me)

[Marquis]

anti is town enough to fakeclaim masons with

[Marquis]

sakura i don't understand what your varsoon stance even is

[Marquis]

uh

[Marquis]

sakura is thinking what i'm thinking and it's weird

[Marquis]

Sakura, I ain't here to win your respect
I'M HERE TO WIN GAMES, YAAAAAA

Yeah, like that one time you gave up and replaced out, you totally were doing that to win the game right?
Like the way im seeing it here you're doing the exact same thing without the replace out.

that you'll do anything to win especially as scum and i'm seeing your posts as a kind of limited AtE reflecting a part of that mindset

[Marquis]

like i feel you're just saying anything you think redirects attention like you're all over the map and it's because you're scum trying to get away from your horrible misplay

pedit @ varsoon

[Marquis]

he's not a vi why does everyone misapply the term he's just "trust tell/replacing out for a tactical advantage/do anything to win" varsoon

[Marquis]

never apologize for hollabacking

[Marquis]

also ill sort out reads after my flight bye yall

[Marquis]

i really don't believe that varsoon's claim is legit.

either way anti is town af and votes there are just dumb wishful thinking.

[Marquis]

idk. i think i'm just tired of having to put things off and at the rate this game is going and how exhausting it's been already i think i just want varsoon dead regardless of the claim. yes i admitted it, i want to lynch a possible conftown claim because i don't believe it.

but what the heck is this flames wagon. metal sonic is always like this and wagoning him just feels kind of opportunistic from a lot of people especially after all the previous arguments being set aside

[Marquis]

i still don't get the case it doesn't even look like a case besides GRRRRRRRRR RAAAGE

[Marquis]

ughhhhhhhhhhhh

[Marquis]

fine.

VOTE: flame

it's just fine. i'm already tired of this day and i'm okay with lynching a nullread with that support, so whatever let's wagon away. but varsoon goes tomorrow if he's not actually conftown. and i'm not taking any "conftown" substitute.

[Marquis]

l m a o

pedit oh my god VOTE: otolia

[Marquis]

VOTE: Varsoon

Looks like Choof and Gorkington are his scumbuddies.

Wow hated? that's why you managed to become a magnet of votes! (joking i know what hated means).
I didn't know Hated/Loved were Normal roles.
As for everyone wondering about the wagon on Varsoon, and Thor's questioning that's Thor being Thor.
A Translation of Thor's intent for those that don't know him:
Thor likes early wagons run up as high as L-1 as soon as possible.
Such wagons can get interesting reactions from other people and the person being wagoned.
Since Varsoon should be a nullread at most for anyone and has the highest ammount of votes, he assumes the only reason someone wouldn't vote him is because of a townread or him, or a scumread on someone else. Hence his questioning.

Notice also that when i said i was townreading the people voting Varsoon some people jumped in to vote in. Me harassing people not voting him as possible scum partners was waiting to see who and how would cave in to pressure. choof became a scumread out of that, Gorky whatchamacallit became a townread instead, antihero im still not sure on, but if he's town he'll become obvious eventually. I agree with pisskop about the replace out being null, but i just can't find it in me to think that his feelings about not knowing what was going on weren't genuine.
Anyway, copper decides to vote Varsoon and leave, not even thoughts, not even reaction about the wagon being formed, so i'm going to go there now.

Unvote
Vote: copper

PEd: Good morning anti

plus a shit ton more, varsoon i forgive u

[Marquis]

Sakura Hana has been killed. She was a Mafia Roleblocker.

oh fucking a

it's not just you babe

[Marquis]

obligatory "varsoon could be sk" post

[Marquis]

redirector isn't normal iirc

most likely option is vig+other scumteam or vig+sk

(p.s. it should go without saying that varsoon could still be otherscum/sk so if you're a vig shoot him bc in that case it's likely a fakeclaim)

[Marquis]

wtf house.

[Marquis]

droog is just being normal

[Marquis]

if theres scum on this page
id put it in this order

marquis > antihero > gork > house

no you wouldn't

[Marquis]

i've played with anti even more and trust me he feels town as hell.

[Marquis]

seo wagon is kinda bs

treating 1350/1 like they're so damning when out of the mouth of a more well-known player they'd be treated as reasonable feels unfair

i don't really have a read on her atm but so far this easily fits in as part of her town play. the only reason it's not a townread is because i'm still paranoid of her being scum for once (and kind of salty about the marquis is scum entrance but blegh)

[Marquis]

this probably isn't what you want to hear but i've known her and the way she talks online for a long time

so i'd say i'm fairly accurate in thinking that so far she hasn't really sounded uncomfortable or like anything out of the ordinary at all

really it's a complete lack of anything noticeably different from the norm that's just making me go nope to this push on her. i can't definitely commit at the moment though, it's mostly a nulltown read that's been in the same place for a while

[Marquis]

Marquis reads town to me

Marquis- Not enough posts for me to be conclusive here

VOTE: mnemonicdevice

[Marquis]

there's literally 2 pages between those

you can't legitimately have a townread on someone and 2 pages later suddenly think "no read, not enough posts"

[Marquis]

i remember someone asked me a question earlier? gtg but bring it up and i will show you just how much of a wonderful compliant person i am

[Marquis]

ok so i've almost never found being at least somewhat up to date in a large to be a problem but the speed of this game combined with these huge unnecessary quote walls is reaching that limit.

[Marquis]

@Mdevice ... Also are you saying Maquis inconsistency is a scum tell????

Pedit: No, I don't think marquis inconsistency is a scumtell, just a mistake in a game with so many posts.

ok since when are we even suggesting that me bringing up mnemonic's read inconsistency on me is something to even consider me being scum for

like

i don't get it. you're apparently reading but i don't know if you're saying this because you just don't understand what's going on there or because you're trying to pretend like you're involved and actually know what the "inconsistency" refers to.

[Marquis]

@Marquis - as long as you're going to come back and answer a question from "someone" (which might be me and my question to you about Anti - why don't you also field the Thor v. Elusive+ika scrum.

i haven't seen too many anti posts as i've been skimming to try and catch up lately, but there's always been a certain level of constant engagement in anti's towngames that he fails to match in his scumgames. i saw a lot of it day 1, and even today defending against people pushing him it's there even if sounding a bit demoralized (which is understandable with sakura's flip.)

i'm reading anti as town. as long as he doesn't drop off the face of the earth and start activity posting/prod dodging, that'll be a constant read of mine. whatever the case seems to be about anti and sakura, i really doubt that any friendly or supportive interactions there aren't just because that's how sakura is with people she knows when she wants to be.

as for you, short answer is i know you're a great mafia player, so while i think some of the attacks on you and this whole question arguments thing or whatever have been nitpicking or refusing to look at the big picture, i don't think it's worth lynching you at all right now no matter what the case is. i'm probably going to get paranoid af as this goes on but there's too much of an opportunity cost should you flip town early on.

i saw elusive's whole "mnemonic you should know i'm female if you have a read on me" and apart from that being a really really weak point i just think it's a bit self-centered, but then that's a landmark of her play as i know it. if you're talking about something else, summarize it with context - not just linking it, because with the game as it is right now i'm nowhere near inclined to go hunting.

[Marquis]

loose cannon

free spirit

antitown and proud

take your pick of characterization because for town!anti they all more or less fit.

like you're not going to be able to scumhunt anti through anything other than trying to read how involved and comfortable he is, not through basic "quickhammers are scum" platitudes

[Marquis]

busy week, will post sometime tomorrow

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

hey thor
shut the fuck up
god

i just woke up, need to run some errands but i'll be back in a few hours

[Marquis]

never lynch

Antihero (town meta. i have no idea why you guys are so hellbent on his lynch but there's such a noticeable difference between his town and scum meta and this one is the former)
copper223 (vvvvv, posts sound genuinely town motivated anyway)
Gorkington (claim)
droog (either he's town or he'll get killed if i'm wrong)
Marquis
Varsoon (sakura interactions + claim, if he's sk/otherscum he'll likely be vigged anyway)

don't lynch today

notscience (easier to read later on. haven't seen recent posts though so if there was a category between this and the one below... maybe there??)
Flubbernugget
ika (i can't read ika but i don't actually want to put him in the lower group because i like him too much to want gone at all right now)
OkaPoka
pisskop
Seohyun (this matches the rest of the play i've seen from seo - now that pokemon upick is over i'm also allowed to say i haven't seen her scumplay but so far posts have been open and honest)
ZZZX (seems like usual town zzzx but tbh i haven't really been paying too much attention to him lately)

ok i guess with lynching

Boonskiies (uh)
TheFuzzylogic99 (i should really stop townreading people for saying dumb things. i can't really tell what's intentional or not either)
elusive (??? idk, can die i guess)
Thor665 (not a fan of his pushes and attitude recently, and while i'm still kind of unsure whether he'll flip scum at this point i don't care because if he's scum he'll be hard to catch anyway plus either flip will probably be better for town)

please lynch

mnemonicdevice (scum.)

---

a quick gutfeel+memory lynch list. i realized halfway through making it just how disconnected i've been from the game and just how many null/"i have no fucking idea" reads i have but i really don't know how to dive into it with all the shit going on the last few pages

somebody make me want to do something

[Marquis]

thanks for the really weird townread but i really don't feel like it right now

[Marquis]

anti is town as hell. searching through your games you've never played with him before so based on that alone, shhh nope

and copper's play is also super town not to mention there's a claimed COP CLEAR on him

so yeah, no. goodbye to you and to any idea i had of you arguing your reads like you actually know what's going on

[Marquis]

seeing that anti read from him the situation and recent posts make sense for md-scum who committed to an anti townread he doesn't know how to get out of but wants to get him mislynched now that it's a viable counterwagon, so he's not really defending him or bringing up that townread again

[Marquis]

i don't really have an opinion on pisskop either way but i don't really feel like lynching him either

idk. when i was making that list and got to his name i couldn't think of anything except for a vague "i think he might have done some town things maybe i'm not sure" whisper in my head

don't really care that much tho cuz i want a mnemonic lynch rly badly

[Marquis]

oh that post is weird though. idk if scum but i mean you claimed it outright already so scum probably have it in mind. but the passive scum accusation against a cop claim is weird.

i guess i could see it as scum knowing his days are numbered. if i stretch a bit out of my happy little tunnel.

[Marquis]

Why is elusive on your 'would lynch' list then?

there wasn't any head whispering on that one

[Marquis]

i mean we could take this conversation further if you want me to risk accidentally hurting lots of peoples' feelings but i'd rather plead the fifth

[Marquis]

seeing that anti read from him the situation and recent posts make sense for md-scum who committed to an anti townread he doesn't know how to get out of but wants to get him mislynched now that it's a viable counterwagon, so he's not really defending him or bringing up that townread again

i could see this
this is also the first post of yours all game
that i think of as content

though i skimmed a large part of the middle game

i think you skipped most everything then but it's okay bc you're in my titanic

[Marquis]

townbloc*

[Marquis]

anti wagon sure does remind me of titanic-esque levels of catastrophe tho

[Marquis]

UNVOTE: Not Science
I am not sure if I am just doing a crappy job of making a case for NS scum or if if people are just ignoring me. Prob just sucking

I was going to vote Anti but some of MD recent comments made me rethink him as possible scum.I could see me voting either one .
I still want to lynch NS but I know at this point he going to survive another day.

i could move you down a tier on my reads list if it makes you feel any better

or you could vote md instead

pedit i know you're supposedly an alt, but if you're as experienced as you seem to be hinting you are, you should have played with or seen anti play at least once before. and i wouldn't bother explaining it normally but people lynching him is actually somehow a potential issue here so lol fuck, fine.

it's something i've been saying literally the whole Day with a capital D but there is a huge huge huge difference in anti's town and scum metas that has not once failed me in at least 10 games iirc, and it's one he doesn't seem capable of overcoming after all this time (sorry anti but you haven't proved me wrong so too bad) so there's only a decent chance it might break his meta after this, but anti is almost completely incapable of being active, sounding emotionally invested and genuine, and acting consistently snarky as scum - those are all hallmarks of his towngame, and things that are clear in his day 1 play and in sections of his play today when he hasn't been inactive (which is a sitewide thing and shouldn't affect my meta read - i'll admit i was starting to get worried but then when he got back online and started talking back to thor i was like lolok sorry for doubting that there).

not to mention anti's reads get progressively better further down the line so even if u want to ignore my experience with him just like. step off yo. let him breathe for a day.

i just really don't think he's scum and i really do think this wagon on him is trashy and filled with people who don't know him (or in flubber's case from a few posts ago might actually be ignoring it, might move that down a tier) or relating to sakura-scum, don't know how much he likes having friends and not being seen as a dick. so if you would be so kind as to turn away from that and help me lynch actual scum that'd be pretty dang great

[Marquis]

Why is elusive on your 'would lynch' list then?

there wasn't any head whispering on that one

So is this like a gut feel?

if you're trying to use this as a way to try and discredit my unrelated scumread on you which i think is what's happening, then no. it's not about gut; it's about not caring more than i don't care about pisskop because there is a specific other player that is occupying the forefront of my deathvision

[Marquis]

Also why am I a okay lynch.

i still don't know what to think of you, but i do think it would have been alright if you had just cut out the rest of your post and put this at the top. because the way you keep referring back to that makes me pretty sure all your other reasons are like little cardboard cutouts that you're using to hide this one real worry of yours with

[Marquis]

Why are you talking more about Marquis's read on him than about Anti himself? That's just gross.

actually scratch the top of my last post, thinking about how to word it had me thinking now that he's likely scum who 1) is trying to save md and using anti as an excuse to do so and 2) using a bad excuse at that since he seems to be more motivated by what he sees as me scumreading him rather than any actual opinion on anti

or in other words self-absorbed scum who's acting based on an unrelated read but trying to hide it

(normally this kind of reasoning would never fly with me but the only other scumgame of fuzzy's i know of, he literally claimed scum by accident then admitted it and selfvoted instead of fighting back, so i don't exactly have the highest opinion of his scumgame)

[Marquis]

well let's go back to his recent burst of posts (something that i can't remember seeing in an anti scumgame either, "either" not meaning that i just don't remember the other things but that just post bursting is at the least a rare thing if it happens at all in his scumgame)

thor has done an awesome job of sinking this game into apathy with walls more than fuzzy or ns could ever hope to with lurking

no, i don't think it means you're scum

i'm noting that you past the point of diminishing returns a while ago.

What do you think o fmy case on you - which you have not addressed yet?

if it's based on me+sakura, i would like to direct YOU to touhou as well.

What do you think of the wagon on you and its growth and growing verbal support in the late day phase?

seeing as no one is actually doing anything, i think you're exaggerating this point.

Why do/did you scumread me?

the. walls. are. crap.

you know what i had to do to find your "case" on me? go to your iso, control+f my name and it showed up about halfway through. you've dragged this game into "let's argue over semantics and bullshit" mode instead of looking at the big picture and that's a LOT more scum motivated than town.

He does

argue this is like quilford's small town

straight face required whole way

go

What will I find there that will change my mind?

if you're basing the argument off of sakura+i interactions, the interactions in that game were exactly the same and i was town and she was scum.
so, it undermines that argument.

The wagon on you has gained all of the recent votes (2-3) and also has had two additional people suggest willingness to vote you within the past 24 hours.

yeah, let's not pretend this is anything other than motivated by apathy

What big picture do you think I'm overlooking right now?

well a legit, readable case on the person you're voting is a start.

Sakura's buddy interaction and skipping over you.

i'm not sure which universe that qualifies as a "case"

this one is not it

YOU LITERALLY JUST SAW MY SCUMGAME HOW IS THAT AN INTERESTING REACTION?

jeez... people

also, how many heartless games have you been in flubber?

i feel like... most of them.

why are you playing dumb?

oh look

the sass

it's

dripping

down

my

face

[Marquis]

(and guess what? i'm actually

not

being sarcastic at all)

[Marquis]

when i say there's a huge difference, i mean it. there is a massive disconnect between town and scum anti. scum anti sounds like a 6th grader trying to quote a diss he heard in a r-rated movie he supposedly watched last night but keeps fucking up the lines. and this anti is genuine and on point.

also really hard to believe that he'd be faking it this well to me, much less even try to fake it when i'm the only one who's that familiar with all sides of his playstyle and that he'd be able to convince. in fact it'd only be worth it for him to even attempt faking it if people like mollie and etl were around. to be blunt, a random large normal with just me wouldn't be

that

important.

it's annoying that i have to keep doing this because the usual other players who can id town anti aren't around but i really don't see how you can scumreading him so strongly if you're not willing to at the very least compromise and give him a day or a cop clear.

[Marquis]

i'm tired of saying the same things over and over again. i'm out of the thread for the rest of the night.

also anti if you're reading i'm fucking spilling blood for you so thank you but also fuck you if that last theory's wrong

[Marquis]

also you guys keep focusing on the last of my points about townanti meta. playing with him in real time you get a clear sense of just how eager and frequent his posts are. day 1 anti was town anti and he does not deserve to be lynched. both of us dropped off a bit after sakura flipped scum but i think it was for the same reason, just totally demoralized by townread flipping realscum. as anti said once, there's still egg all over my face.

pedit gork if that happens i'd rather just end my misery with a mislynch right away so i can yell at him in the dead pt

[Marquis]

@Marquis - I found Mini 1646 as an Anti scum game and...don't really see the difference.

Also, he assuredly hasn't done a sass wall like what you posted here in this game unless I'm really missing it - maybe the attack on Varsoon? With a bit of a squint?

Do you have any scum games that you feel showcase the difference in his play to show me? Maybe one where you accurately pegged him with this tell?

YOU DIDN'T FUCKING READ THAT GAME THEN

HE USED THAT TELL TO PEG ME

IN
THAT
VERY
GAME
YOU
REFERENCED

FUCK

LOL WAIT IS 1646 SMALLTOWN??

OMG I WOULD BE SO DOWN FOR A THOR LYNCH RIGHT NOW IF I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE EGG IN MY MNEMONIC BASKET

[Marquis]

^THIS^ is town Antihero

ok yeah scratch my bitterness. this comes conveniently after my comment on your anti read so lol ok thanks for the support finally

[Marquis]

i'm okay enough with the vt claim

VOTE: thor

wagon go

also

Mod notes

Prodding Antihero.

oh

maybe anti is scum

Subject: Once Upon A Winter Night - [Game Over]

Just landed. And in my experience with Antiscum the activity comments are legit. Equinox back on there please, it's better than ckd.

VOTE: anti

Antihero, who was

Neville Copperfish

,

Butler of Norweld Household

, and

Mafia

Neighbor Watcher

, has been

lynched

in

Day 2

.

Marquis, who was

Arcady Norweld

,

Head of the Norsweld Household

, and

Town

VT

, has

succumbed to poison

in

Day 2

.

whether i commit to it or not depends on how preoccupied i am and how i feel about the chances of anti just being busy/naturally inactive (he was inactive in joss whedon and i scumread him but when his schedule freed up it was easy to identify him as town)

[Marquis]

UNVOTE: Not Science
I am not sure if I am just doing a crappy job of making a case for NS scum or if if people are just ignoring me. Prob just sucking

I was going to vote Anti but some of MD recent comments made me rethink him as possible scum.I could see me voting either one .
I still want to lynch NS but I know at this point he going to survive another day.

i could move you down a tier on my reads list if it makes you feel any better

or you could vote md instead

pedit i know you're supposedly an alt, but if you're as experienced as you seem to be hinting you are, you should have played with or seen anti play at least once before. and i wouldn't bother explaining it normally but people lynching him is actually somehow a potential issue here so lol fuck, fine.

it's something i've been saying literally the whole Day with a capital D but there is a huge huge huge difference in anti's town and scum metas that has not once failed me in at least 10 games iirc, and it's one he doesn't seem capable of overcoming after all this time (sorry anti but you haven't proved me wrong so too bad) so there's only a decent chance it might break his meta after this,

but anti is almost completely incapable of being active, sounding emotionally invested and genuine, and acting consistently snarky as scum - those are all hallmarks of his towngame, and things that are clear in his day 1 play and in sections of his play today when he hasn't been inactive (which is a sitewide thing and shouldn't affect my meta read - i'll admit i was starting to get worried but then when he got back online and started talking back to thor i was like lolok sorry for doubting that there).

not to mention anti's reads get progressively better further down the line so even if u want to ignore my experience with him just like. step off yo. let him breathe for a day.

i just really don't think he's scum and i really do think this wagon on him is trashy and filled with people who don't know him (or in flubber's case from a few posts ago might actually be ignoring it, might move that down a tier) or relating to sakura-scum, don't know how much he likes having friends and not being seen as a dick. so if you would be so kind as to turn away from that and help me lynch actual scum that'd be pretty dang great

also you guys keep focusing on the last of my points about townanti meta [the snark]. [the most important point by far is my first one about activity and] playing with him in real time you get a clear sense of just how eager and frequent his posts are. day 1 anti was town anti and he does not deserve to be lynched. both of us dropped off a bit after sakura flipped scum but i think it was for the same reason, just totally demoralized by townread flipping realscum. as anti said once, there's still egg all over my face.

so go ahead, keep focusing on snark because while you won't win there, at least it's the closest you'll get.

thor lynch is the winning lynch here. positive

[Marquis]

vote him

[Marquis]

notty's relatively inactive for the most part sitewide. in any case i still want this thor lynch a lot. i could go back to mnemonic but i still kind of like the vt claim especially in context.

[Marquis]

can actually get behind this for the activity.

VOTE: notscience

[Marquis]

everything is just boring me now

sorry

[Marquis]

VOTE: thor
fuck yeah

[Marquis]

muffin hi

you know i know notty. and i think fuzzy is mostly just batshit crazy and a bunch of people are either buying into fuzzy's really repetitive "im so sure u can lynch me if hes town!!!" shtick, or using it as an excuse.

i voted notty earlier though because while he's definitely not my #1 choice, i could see it as more like game-selective alignment-related lurking looking at his sitewide activity. and that was mostly an "i could see it" because i was mostly just bored and annoyed with the day and wanted a lynch already.

thor wagon is good stuff tho! and it's actually viable now because you have the kind of clout i don't! yay!

[Marquis]

first reaction: ew ew ew 617

second reaction: i think notty wouldn't have taken a scumread on sakura that far to day end as scum-scum. especially not with the whole friends thing. i think as scum notty probably would have let himself act like he was doing the whole "trusting and townreading my friends too much as usual" thing wrt sakura, especially because nobody could expect sakura's death there.

[Marquis]

Marquis
doest the way they interact kind of put a little question in how much NS was reading Sakura/ If mot why??

this and your earlier comment which was whether it was fake scumreading - it's hard to explain but that's just a lot of how he is. as both town and scum he fluffs a lot and i'm not the best at telling which is which.

but i do have a thing against you guys assuming that because people were interacting with sakura in a way you don't understand that they're scum. notty and sakura are the type of people that like to play with friends and make jokes with them and stuff. i don't see notty's scumread as sakura as any less real just because he posted puppy pics or whatever it is that's making you uncomfortable. i also don't think he would have committed to it like that even if it was an act.

i mean i

could

see it. if i squint and try to ignore how bad the reasons you all have for lynching him make me feel. but then i just want thor dead so much more and if there's any compromise i'd make outside of that it'd be mnemonic.

[Marquis]

well for some people there's a difference between your place and your parents' place y'know??

[Marquis]

god everything he does is going to be scummy to you isn't it

[Marquis]

thor i feel is more likely scum than either of them

muffin endorsement of thor wagon = thor is definitely scum

[Marquis]

not sarcastic in the slightest!

like even if neither of them are scum, it's still better to lynch thor because of the apathy + leading town off-base and onto anti and ignoring meta clearly presented to him bc ego and whatever and it's just a more pro-town move

but that's unlikely because thor really is probably scum and if anyone thinks i've just been saying this for shits and giggles "oh haaha let's lynch thor bc he's a good player so it'd be funny hahahaah" you should reread things like 1857, 1882, 1884, 1897, 1900, 1904 in progression. just because the case isn't as concise or clearly formatted doesn't make thor!scum any less valid

[Marquis]

it's not that thor is a "pissant", but that might be a reason why i'm not as afraid of the small chance of mislynching him as some other people seem to be. it's more that he's been constantly ignoring the multiple good points we made about anti being town in order to sit on his static read for a stubborn mislynch when the wagon was there, and constantly tried to excuse his misunderstandings as people left the wagon with too-simple "oh i missed that"s and whatever. then when the anti wagon didn't have the support he expected, he left it and joined the notty wagon without explanation. it's scum, not town, positioning movement and definitely not what i expect from thor!town. i highly doubt he would have acted the way he did around the anti wagon + evidence for town!anti unless he was scum who wanted that strategic mislynch.

and thor is a good scum player, of course it's hard to make a case on him because he's going to be so much better at deflecting and articulating his arguments. and our vig is out of shots sooo. the thing i'm worried most about now is that notty is that kind of successful groupthink scum-supported counterwagon and this is the closest we'll get to getting rid of thor!scum

[Marquis]

Marquis
I never said or implied NS sudden burst of activity was scummy. Why are defending NS when it is not needed

are you kidding me

Whats with the sudden burst of activity NS?

are you kidding me

[Marquis]

how does that not imply that you find it suspicious just like you found his inactivity suspicious????? idgi

[Marquis]

but he's town

[Marquis]

you're aware i have a stronger townread on him than you, right?

[Marquis]

right now i think notty is moreso inactive lazy foot in mouth town than non contributor scum so. not up for compromising still

[Marquis]

yeah i'm just going to

take a step outside

for a while

[Marquis]

i think everyone on this page is town. this page makes me feel good. good night

[Marquis]

seo vote thor

you should already know inactivity is normal for notty and his recent posts have all been town as heck

[Marquis]

2222 ha

[Marquis]

i was just as asparagus in persona 3 tho. i mean it was just a bad time and usually my scumgame is way active, like even more than my towngame often.

[Marquis]

apathetic

not asparagus

i'm not that tasty

[Marquis]

he did this to himself

[Marquis]

serious time because day needs to end with a lynch and idr what deadline is: thor is a scum lynch, not a counterwagon or policy/attitude lynch or whatever someone else might posit it is. no, of course i don't want to lynch a townread, which is an added bonus to this lynch because thor's been pushing horrible wagons on two of mine. but i'm pretty convinced thor is scum at this point, and muffin's articulating most of my points why in a much better way than i could or have the motivation to.

[Marquis]

thor actually probably did look at anti's sitewide activity but decide to pretend he didn't and ignore what he found when

that

didn't further his agenda either

[Marquis]

sorry notty :/

VOTE: ns

[Marquis]

i think i'm taking a break from mafia after my current games are done

VOTE: thor

[Marquis]

night 1 had vig shot and othermaf/sk, two deaths both scum

night 2 had maf or othermaf/sk, no vig, one death town

jailkeep on thor night 2

preeeeeeeetty sure thor is still scum. the way the wagons drifted in between near the end and how thor and notty both only voted each other for "survivalism" feels like doublescum trapped between a rock and a hard place

[Marquis]

also i'm pretty sure bulge would have to specify if the mafia flips were different mafia groups so ff/sakura/notty were all the same team

[Marquis]

Pisskop is town.

obligatory "one of your results could be gf with weak 2 goons and rb flipped so far but there's no point in pursuing that unless we've exhausted all other, more potentially profitable, avenues"

[Marquis]

i agree

we should be lynching thor

[Marquis]

like it's not even that i'm just tunneling this time; his recent posts have all been super shallow/noncommittal to any read in depth and self-absorbed too

[Marquis]

I have never been an SK. Dont wanna get into theory too heavily, but why do they act differently than town? They need to scumhunt too, and their main difference is that they want to

keep

parody with scum rather than kill them.

i just finished a game as sk

generally the play is to try and lynch town and kill scum to claim vig, or lynch scum and claim town to try and get by on pro-town day play

i chose the latter, but fucked up and killed scum too. this also might not be what most sks do but in general think of an sk like a scum who's just lying in wait to claim vig should they ever come under pressure

on that note, i almost convinced myself to look at varsoon again, but then i remembered the other n1 mafia kill with no cc and he's still prob town in this case

[Marquis]

old normal guidelines had no godfather-like modifiers/powers for sks, and i doubt this is a game that bucks the trend

[Marquis]

i'm in bed and on my phone and i decide to click thor's sig

Subject: ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

Thor, you realize that I'm now going to treat "You're better than this" as a legitimate scumtell I can use on you.

and of course this isn't meant to be taken too seriously in Modern Times™ but lol i'm fine with letting go of my second thoughts now

[Marquis]

yo varsoon if you have another shot you know who i want you to get rid of with it

[Marquis]

after class

[Marquis]

I would also like to think if he was scum and 3 scum were downed, he'd try a little harder

basically this but he's pretty much confscum now anyway

VOTE: boon

[Marquis]

i finally feel loved

[Marquis]

this game is like a breath of fresh air. not even sarcastic

there were two mafia kills n1 and scum killing itself is _almost not possible

p sure there's at max two scum left, one sk and one mafia

or a second vig role and two mafia but varsoon didn't die n2 plus unlikely anyway

re: anti @ thor: still town. or i have no idea. prob town. yeah i want more posts but he was town earlier and i don't want to lose that yet

re: thor @ thor: i still think you could be scum, especially with . but i'm not actually having the worst thoughts about you atm and i feel like we're in a good position that if i was actually right about you being scum the risk of you being town is ok enough to wait

[Marquis]

Do you agree he has been lurking since the pressure on him went away?

i can see it. can. but i don't particularly feel like going for that at all, so don't bother. once i have an early anti read locked in, it's almost always right.

[Marquis]

piss
marq
fuzzy
anti
muffin
seo?

this game feels right, and my townreads feel right. i think i'm good with this.

VOTE: klingon forwarddddd

[Marquis]

Roleblocker can't stop hider, so I'm pretty sure last maf/sk is some sort of Ascetic role. Or whatever it is that counters Hiders specifically, the role is way too strong against just a rb/tracker.

[Marquis]

Marquis you don't think I'm a town also in your list
.

hi

no

[Marquis]

well maybe now. i don't remember liking house/ika though, nor do i remember significantly not liking them.

either way i don't remember much from you or your slot and since it's a large normal only on day 5 and as long as we don't lynch my townreads then i really don't care

[Marquis]

thor should also probably start being useful if he's town because atm i'm feeling like wanting that again

[Marquis]

I have no idea how that even applies to what you quoted.

[Marquis]

oh

UNVOTE:

i thought i was sheeping something better than that

[Marquis]

i'm actually out of ideas that sound totally appealing right now

so

[Marquis]

what the fuck are you even talking about

you never played a major role in any of the scum lynches

trying to sell your wagon presence like you need to be put in a conftown pile combined with your questioning of my townlist earlier just feels like you're panicking lonely new-scum trying to ensure prolonged survival

[Marquis]

i think the missing kill + varsoon's jk claim is pretty lynchworthy

VOTE: thor

i have no idea how i completely forgot about that

must have been the scent of boon blood

VOTE: thor

[Marquis]

i think the missing kill + varsoon's jk claim is pretty lynchworthy

VOTE: thor

Will you help me kill Marquis tomorrow if I sheep you?

i'm actually really happy you'll probably be dying tonight

[Marquis]

i was thinking more along the lines of optimal/usual sk play being lynch scum kill town but then i checked and saw ff replaced sw

and right now i was about to say that i like that experience reason but still think it was aimed at a potential strong town player but then i checked his and sw's isos and yeah

we should prob lynch thor

[Marquis]

and by "prob" i mean "definitely murderously"

[Marquis]

...i will begin this day by saying i received fruit last night and in hindsight completely ignored thor's crumb post

in my defense though i only got "fruit" and was looking for words like that, "(grape)vine", and "juice"

[Marquis]

last night as in two nights ago

[Marquis]

i thought a thor lynch was going to end the game and was feeling really good about that but then that flip happened and now i just feel really dumb again

i have a lot of strong-ish living townreads (????) and there's a defined line between them and the remaining by poe but i actually have no idea who feels the most distinct and who i want to vote right now

[Marquis]

fruit vendor sends someone fruit but mod doesn't say who it's from

bulletproof on it is really weird but i'm thinking bulge did it as some sort of tracker/watcher miller

[Marquis]

i agreed with muffin's assessment of experienced scum killing from the ff kill

but then thor didn't flip scum

and then muffin died

and i agreed with him again because otherwise i have no idea why piss wouldn't be dead because hider being 100% accurate is universal knowledge

but then anti and i are the only other "experienced" players here barring droog alt

and

just

who

[Marquis]

literally nothing i just am sitting all alone here and holding this fruit

[Marquis]

god i've been so detached these past few days and i really need to sort before i do anything else brb

[Marquis]

pisskop

TheFuzzylogic99


Antihero

Seohyun





droog


RIP
Klingoncelt
Flubbernugget

[Marquis]

^ town to scum, line breaks are important

[Marquis]

i have literally no idea where i stand on those last two right now including which i want to vote more other than definitely not in my townpile. i feel like i'm just absorbing others' opinions on them, specifically thor on klingon but that really shouldn't hold as much water with me as i want it to right now bc anti scumread

[Marquis]

yeah i have no idea why i put you that low i think i just blanked and left you there forgetting to finish trying to figure out where you went

should probably put you by or above next to droog. your questioning there right away had that subconscious town feel kind of. i think

[Marquis]

god it's like on and off and off and off for me this game

[Marquis]

Obv scum. Scum is killing from the no voters cuz they are voting THOR.

still have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

[Marquis]

wait weren't you poe scumreading me yesterday

there was someone with the dumb shootintothecrowd scumread on me

[Marquis]

ok so

i think there is only one scum left this game. one kill recent nights after the boon lynch, and thor being jailkept as town and not scum point to this.

both kills n1 being mafia means no mafia left and only sk. only other option is a 2-man small alternate scumteam depending on how much further bulge got into subverting normal meta which i don't think is absurdly far.

and we already have a confirmed town in piss + one very very very unlikely scum in fuzzy so scum probably has kills lined up on them anyway

so i

[Marquis]

so i think we should massclaim to lock things in here and now before we have the chance to go any further into any kind of town implosion, and because regardless of what everyone claims i think we have so many obvtown that it doesn't give scum anything they probably don't already know/have decided on.*

wtf how did i even submit that i wasn't even touching my mouse or tab

[Marquis]

move rip up into town, as incredibly annoying as his ego is i think he's more newbtown than confident scum especially in this setting

[Marquis]

Should say that this was more than a simple mistake

gut is telling me that he is the SK or a scum but my guess is the Sk

do you see rip being more cheeky/"look-what-i-can-do" as town or scum

right now i'm leaning townish there

[Marquis]

rip even i can't understand you and that's actually saying something

[Marquis]

because it forces scum to lock in a claim now.

in the case of mislynch or weird nk stuff and wrong setup spec, they can't just later on pull out a fakeclaim

like way more than at least half the time i've lost or almost lost as scum, it's because i was forced to claim/fakeclaim too early and couldn't back it up or compile info for a more believable claim later on

and with yesterday's way too quick thor lynch (tho tbf i thought it was still like 7/8 to lynch) i think we actually should have stopped and done this yesterday.

[Marquis]

ok i literally cannot take this any more

i have been trying to do whatever i can to get you to open up more about what the fuck you're talking about without trying to make it too obvious for scum to prep/kill wrt it

but

just

if you have some sort of result

please

just fucking claim it

[Marquis]

.................

[Marquis]

fuck it i'm done good night

VOTE: rip

[Marquis]

uh

not exactly

but the more posts i see the more i want to think especially with the post klingon quoted there could actually be 2 scum left and he's newbscum who can't fathom an alternative setup to that because he knows it to be true

[Marquis]

oh wait if there are 2 scum left they can't be paired

blah

[Marquis]

well they could be if they're some sort of ww/bluemafia group but as i said sk or sk/mafia is most likely, the former more

whatever i like my vote on rip rn

if klingon is scum it'll be easy to tell soon anyway

[Marquis]

drive up the wagon

i still want a massclaim btw. klingon is next

[Marquis]

well

i'll try not to let this game ruin today's mafia high

so i am completely fine with this being a double potential scum and policy lynch.

gnight for real now

[Marquis]

so i really want rip dead but i'm still pretty sure that's mostly just personal which is... only half disappointing

[Marquis]

oh and you guys all suck

[Marquis]

that includes anti

who i think is doing some of this to me on purpose[/sub]

but whatever

[Marquis]

that includes anti who i think is doing some of this to me on purpose[/sub] but whatever

sorry just remembered smalltext rules exist

[Marquis]

VOTE: klingon

and i gave you your chance but you're still the same as before so

bye

[Marquis]

VOTE: rip

yeah no that's not going to cut it

[Marquis]

VOTE: klingoncelt

i'm just going to call this omgus and see if you pounce on that too.

still hating rip trying to change his tune now in light of the flips. but i guess i could see it as still just even-higher-than-titus levels of egotistical town. maybe. ugh

[Marquis]

like i've just had enough of beating around the bush here and if rip is town here i'd rather not let you waste this day too on a droog paranoia lynch

it feels like nearly everyone is in agreement that klingon/zzzxslot is the most likely scum here

of course that's not a good reason to vote her on its own

but

i am absolutely not willing to compromise on flubber/droog/seo or anything you guys might randomly bring up. and right now with her trying to push me through early i think the klingon lynch is a game-ending-thank-fucking-god lynch.

[Marquis]

don't care bc we're probably just looking for sk

plus even though "replacement is null" and all that shit the zzzx replace out isn't something i would expect of him as town

[Marquis]

VOTE: klingoncelt

i'm just going to call this omgus and see if you pounce on that too.

still hating rip trying to change his tune now in light of the flips. but i guess i could see it as still just even-higher-than-titus levels of egotistical town. maybe. ugh

Meh

You've been voting all over the place this evening.

nah just you and rip

and next time you attempt to discredit my reads please say so outright. i'm no longer in the mood for subtleties with this game.

[Marquis]

also, i've been flipping back and forth this whole game and it's really

interesting

that you're only going to talk about this when it's you i'm finally voting.

[Marquis]

considering 4 mafia flipped already and there's been one kill the past 3 nights

um yeah

[Marquis]

oh this is old guidelines too though

so sk or sk+maftraitor

[Marquis]

actually considering it's 21p with joat/hider/watcher i'm liking the traitor idea more and more

[Marquis]

actually considering it's 21p with joat/hider/watcher i'm liking the traitor idea more and more

isnt traitor who lives after scum
non normal??

under old normal guidelines any reasonable interpretation of traitor worked - living post-mafia was how my traitor in my own mini normal was allowed to function too

plus even if n interpreted that kind of normalcy differently, it's not explicitly non-normal and bulge only has the fruit vendor so far

[Marquis]

yes i'm saying there's def a sk with the two maf deaths and one kill prev nights

but i really like the idea of there also being a traitor too. because maf rb/2s-tracker/goon/goon seems really REALLY weak against town hider/joat/watcher

[Marquis]

TheFuzzylogic99
Flubbernugget
RIP
droog
Marquis
Seohyun
Klingoncelt

i'd like to think 5/1/1 explains why when i look at this list i'm not getting that overwhelming almost-all-of-you-are-town feeling that i usually get in lategames like this

[Marquis]

could actually explain some of the no kills so there's that too

[Marquis]

translation: i still think i can maybe get your mislynch today but right now i need to make you happy so you pls pls unvote pretty pls

[Marquis]

soooo

yeah no

[Marquis]

what do you think of the chances of a traitor, actually looking at the flips this game?

honest answer now

[Marquis]

you claim to not be sure or even think that a mafia traitor is left, which is the only possibility if mafia is still alive

yet the backbone of your flubber push is that he didn't vote mafia

fucking lol

so desperate you're not even trying to feign a town perspective now