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Yay! Seeing two of my teammates being recruited was sad, and even though larges aren't my favorite, I'm excited I actually get to play!
That being said, Empire didn't explain his read on TTH, but Zar's been filling me in with regards to major events so I can catch up quicker...I'm not really going to speculate on his reads since he's read the game in real time and I obviously haven't, except to say that UT is a pretty universal scum read with my team, and I'm personally paranoid about CDB based on our last game together. Ffery's probably gunna kill me for that comment.
Also, I've read up on all of six pages of this game so far: first four, then from page 62 onward. I'll probably just ISO people and see where my team directs me and go from there? Anything else important people want me to comment on?-
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In post 1579, Bulbazak wrote:@Singer: Thoughts on Vezok and Gamma when you have the chance.
I believe vezok to be town. *shocking* He's never struck me as the kind of person to be able to pull off a fake claim very well, and even with coaching, I read him as genuinely believing he caught someone in a scummy act.
With regards to Gamma...you're gunna have to be more specific at this point. Vezok was relevant with regards to the game state and information I'm working with, and as far as I can tell...Gamma sure is...a player...
From what little I've read, it feels like TTH should be the lynch for today, so we actually have a flip and interactions to work with. We can talk ourselves into oblivion with how many people are "playing" this game. I know we're working hard on accuracy here, so I guess if anyone's super offended by the risk then they can make a more convincingly better suggestion?-
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In post 1517, Titus wrote:UNVOTE:
TTH wagon effective. No need for it anymore. If he vanishes again with no vla, my vote is going back.
We need to talk on some of those reads Mastina. Espy entered as a "need to sort" read. Also, your reads on me/GiF/DV suck. CDB gives me bad vibes because I am 95% sure his votes on towI get he has to do his own investigation and shoving GiF as town is really antitown since I cannot prove it.
So looking back, can you explain why your vote would only go back with another bout inactivity, if it was a pressure vote in the first place? Seems to me that would be more indicative of consistent inactivity, rather than scummy "oh shit better not get lynched" behavior. What makes it not scummy "oh shit better not get lynched" behavior now, especially in light of vezok's claim?
I agree that the TTH wagon shot up pretty quickly, but I haven't really seen anyone explain why that's such a bad thing right now, especially given the opportunity to have two lynches.-
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Cheetory6 wrote:Again, with this notion that everyone on this wagon is trying to quicklynch TTH.
It's baffling to me that you're acting like this is anything but a pressurewagon.
To be honest, it's starting to look like the resistance to it is scum motivated, because scum think/know that's theright wayto react to a wagon like that one. For clarification of how I'm describing "that one": quick and with limited interactions before doing so.
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@Titus...I'll look back at more context, but when you say "Iwasn't in a hurryto lynch him" that strays away from the idea that it was simply for pressure. Are you still surprised it took off given the circumstances with Antihero's replacement, Vezok's result, and your own pressure vote? They all seem like pretty varying reasons to vote the same person at the first sign of the opportunity to do so.
What about pressure voting anyone else...like ActionDan for example? From an activity overview perspective, Aronis also has that few posts, and Shadoweh, Gamma, mastin, vezok...all on the low end of posting.-
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In post 1618, mastin2 wrote:I feel horrible doing this, but I have to say it.
Empire's replace-out wasn't a town one.
singer's content is not town content.
That read's not a holdover of a read on Empire. I mean that singer's content simply isn't town, in addition to her slot not having been town in any of its iterations.
Then you should have the same feels about Esp as you did about Toon!In post 1596, Bulbazak wrote:I have the same feelings regarding the TTH wagon as I did with the Shos wagon in Unbalanced 2. It's a bad lynch.
1. Why do you feel horrible for voicing your opinions/reads?
2. I'm not really going to argue how town or scum my content is as I don't really have any content to contribute right now with what little I've read and how far behind I am. If you'd like to read more into my posts than there is, I suppose that's your prerogative.
3. I need to interact with people to figure out the game and I don't see you positioning yourself in a way I can do that with you having shut down that flow of communication before it even started. Was this on purpose?
@Titus...I'm not really sure what you mean with your last post. Are you trying to suggest that I was saying "let's pressure more people" as opposed to deducing your motivation for not putting a blanket pressure vote on people producing low activity?
You're also going to have to explain "mean Titus" to me, since I don't recall ever actually playing in any games with you, and as far as I can tell, nothing in the last page should've been provoking enough to warrant any sort of aggressive response.-
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I do acknowledge I've noticed Aronis receiving pressure lately, and don't negate the overall pressure people with low activity have gotten this game. My point was questioning Titus in particular, since TTH was the only vote Titus ever placed for pressure due to inactivity based on her ISO. My only goal was to clarify why.-
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Cheetory6 wrote:Singer what do you think of Espeonage?
Uh, he hasn't posted since I started reading from the beginning (page 20), and the few posts he made in the last couple of pages were pretty negligible?
This might've been addressed already, but according to my team (Regfan), there's no role that justifies visiting one of the more universally town-read people in the game that can be proven the next day, etc. with regards to TTH. (Mina) It looks more like he's trying to save himself another day, and based on how many actions we can assume scum have, could use those to lie.
@Bulb...I'm not really sure what you're trying to say about me here. We have two lynches, but if you're arguing that your lynch would give us more information right now, then I'd be willing to look further into you. Someone specifically asked me about TTH, so that's where my attention landed. You're more than welcome to point me in a different direction, but until then, don't act like I made up what to comment on out of no where.-
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unvotefor now.
I'm not really interested in a lynch until I'm all caught up. Preliminary town reads are Marquis, DeasVeil, vezok, and ActionDan. Preliminary gut is pinged by Shadoweh for her reaction to me grouping her in with players with objectively the lowest amounts of posts, mastin for denying me interactions while not explaining what she doesn't like which seems out of character for her, and...that's about as far as I've gotten with any sort of scum reads. Will wait to see what comes of my Bulb questioning and Titus' response.
@Bulb...let's not pretend TTH didn't heavily imply that it was a proveable role. I can't tell if you're confbiasing me by reading into that, white knighting the shit out of TTH, or just really trying to defend someone...-
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Hi I'm back for a while, and this post by Shadoweh caught my eye. It's the same thing she did recently where she says something that resembles a stance, but doesn't actually commit to it. It's like she's waiting for it to gain traction first.
Now, I'm the first to admit that I'm very uncomfortable with my reads sometimes, but if it becomes a habit throughout the day (which from the post I linked, to most recently, seems to be), then it's indicative of another problem.
@Titus...did you still want to address any of my previous statements or my question about your motivation for pressure-voting TTH but no one else?
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@Bulb...you're right! I don't really see any strong cases for anyone being scum right now. UT actually said it the best: it's day one and we have hardly anything to go on. We have no assumptions of interactions or motivations because *surprise* there's no flip to work with! There are only a few mild soft-claims with regards to Minor Night One actions, and that's about it. As far as I can tell, everyone has just put out the ~feels~ or the ~bad vibes~ based on 40 people trying to play one game at a time, which guarantees dissonance.
To be honest, Gamma has been the only one to articulate anything substantial since I joined and I actually really like what he has to say based on my most recent interactions with you. Reminds me of when you were an SE in that one game with the newbies and things like such as.
Also @Titus...do you typically drunk post in games, particularly on demand or as a specific alignment?-
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In post 1757, Titus wrote:@Singer, I did.
Also, I do drunk post, regardless of alignment. ABR wanted to see it and see reactions and I generally am trying to be a little more LOL ok at the start of the game considering we don't have as much to form conclusions on.
Are you saying you did respond to this, or you still want to? If the former, the closest I can find to commenting on that are 1675 and 1676.
Also, with regards to your statement that we don't have as much to form conclusions on, are you referring to within the first few pages pages of the game, or at that game state in which ABR requested you drunk posted? Because at that game state, there were plenty of things to comment on, more specifically the concept of the Bane/Boon votes/wagons. You recently told UT he should be using those to form his conclusions, so what reactions were you hoping to gain by getting drunk, broadcasting that you were asked to do so, and then following it up with this explanation?
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I understand you're a lawyer and totally respect the way you're defining "leading question" within that context, but within the confounds of this game, I disagree with how you're interpreting it. I think you're arguing semantics and projecting what you interpreted as a leading question without trying to infer or discuss the motivation behind it, which is the same mistake you're accusing Gamma of doing.-
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Cheetory6 wrote:Cheetory6 wrote:Why not vote for Shadow then singer?In post 1673, singersigner wrote:unvotefor now.
I'm not really interested in a lynch until I'm all caught up.
Titus wrote:That one I did miss Singer. Sorry I thought you were referring to the massive list of people you wanted to pressure.
Are you trying to suggest that I was saying "let's pressure more people" as opposed to deducing your motivation for not putting a blanket pressure vote on people producing low activity?
You're also going to have to explain "mean Titus" to me, since I don't recall ever actually playing in any games with you, and as far as I can tell, nothing in the last page should've been provoking enough to warrant any sort of aggressive response.
Yes.
I tend to be overly aggressive and push too loud once I have a suspect. People have told me to tone it down but when I see really suspicious behavior I find it difficult.
That's a shame. What I'm understanding is that you disagree that you were being inconsistent with your claim to pressure-voting?
We can recap the sequence of events if you'd like:
In 340 you claim that pressuring Mastina is good, after alluding to wanting to or being willing to vote her in both 270 and 314, but never doing so.
Then in most recent history, you claim that voting for TTH is for pressure in 1373, 1517, and 1604, even so far as to chastise the wagon even though that was yourgoal with voting for pressure, which is about where I found your inconsistency with regards to pressure-voting, and consequentially you fantasizing my call to question others' activity as opposed to your inconsistency. I can see why you wouldn't want to assume this was about you, but it's pretty anti-town to conclude about what it was really about before trying to engage with me about my motivations, especially when you're putting words in my mouth.
@Cheetory...now that I've read about half the game, with regards to Espeonage, he tends to post in bursts which I've seen be a way for scum to feign activity, coupled with his ignorance of the setup, which followed Tammy's. If either of them were lying, I'd say it was the second, who saw townreads come from the first, though I have a hard time believing Espy would be coached to do that by his scum team, especially if he was late into the game and needed to know how to proceed with the accumulating pressure on him. There's not a lot of content in the beginning of the game, but most recently when I've been able to interact with people in real time, his posts seem genuine, especially with regards to thinking something good could come out of nothing. Unless I missed it, it didn't look like there was any pressure to claim his action, and in my experience, unsolicited defenses of night actions either come from white knighting scum or genuine town. I read it as genuine.
My meta on him is thin at best, as I don't recall ever playing with him, though.
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@Titus...do you often rely on your inflated sense of authority to control the direction of the game? This is the third time you've done so since I joined, while at the beginning of the game you claimed to not want to do so. Not gunna lie, it vaguely reads as scum who's losing control and is trying to bully people into "the right way."
Also, with regards to fakeclaiming vig, Zar had brought that up in our PT but like Titus said, felt it would be more beneficial to take it on a claim-by-claim basis before making it a public point.-
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In post 1795, Titus wrote:@Singer,
Yeah, I did chastize the TTH wagon because TTH was posting, thus mission accomplished. I don't get sheeped easy. Your team, if they played with me regularly, would know that. There is no inconsistency there. Pressure, get what I wanted, move on. Me, by myself, doesn't get much. Yet, you do raise an interesting point. Why did the wagon on TTH take off like a rocket but the one on Mastina that I tried to push get nowhere?
Also, I don't like the tone your using... "fantasizing" and "anti-town to conclude". I can read a pargraph or two and determine motivations from it. This sounds more like an attempt to discredit than it does at serious analysis.
"Inflated sense of authority", why don't you tell me how you really feel? I don't have an inflated sense of authority. I have an enhanced stubbornness regarding right and wrong. I'm trying to mellow a bit on that but I'm not going to have us flounder and chase our tails.
It was absolutely an attempt to discreditthis particular argumentbecause you literally put words in my mouth as the exact moment I was pressuring your intentions. It looked/felt like deflection.
I do feel as though you think you have the ability to bully people by talking down to them like "now, now, don't make mean Titus come out and spank you."
With regards to the TTH wagon versus the Mastina wagon...you tell me? You never actually voted for Mastina, yet voted for TTH right out of the gate. I won't argue your ability to be influential or not as I'm not familiar with it, but pressuring for activity wasn't the only reason given for voting TTH, so I'd say that's hardly the same kind of influence you should be worried about. You're acting like the wagon should've immediately dissipated as soon as you unvoted even though people weren't voting for the same reasons, even though you don't think you're that influential...so...that's not really sheeping...-
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Ahhh, anyway, I feel like this is taking a turn for the worse right now and I still need to read about 30 pages, so if you can admit that you either misinterpreted my assessment that you were being inconsistent with your pressure instead of actually calling to pressure the low activity, or were purposefully ignoring it, it would make this argument (aka the point) a lot easier.-
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In post 1801, Titus wrote:@Singer,
Mastina announced VLa. TTH didn't. My problem is with the TTH wagon taking off at all. There wasn't much of any reason given to vote TTH but yet people wanted him to claim his role. That's asisine.
That's not me bullying people. People know this is me trying to be nice. I'm using that so people get a gauge of my emotional state since I suck at conveying it normally.
Fair enough. I'll read it over more thoroughly in context when I get to that point in the thread and give my unbiased comments (as possible) without trying to needle my way into a conversation I was only marginally understanding of in order to feel useful.-
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In post 1827, fferyllt wrote:In post 1578, singersigner wrote:Ffery's probably gunna kill me for that comment.
Do you want me to explain why the comment doesn't make me want to kill you?
Nacho says "hi"!
Our Empire read had already softened considerably as I mentioned earlier.
Singer hasn't changed that.
Moving the slot up to town.
More reads later today.
Um...kinda, yeah! Unless you're referring to the fact that you're confirmed town and can't do that within the confines of the game?
In post 1831, Shadoweh wrote:A lot of this day phase has already been slow because so many of our talkers are V/LA. As much as I want to lynch CDB (and I do, a whole lot still), he's V/LA until the 17th. Wouldn't it be better to wait until he's here for the second lynch?
Wow singer, you're right, thats so weird of me to ask questions like that, trying to determine what the majority wants is not something I do on Day 1 ever for sure. You objectively avoided answering my question. You also didn't have Titus in your scum reads, but you've been making it a point since the moment you replaced in to harrass her with discrediting statements, RE: 'why didn't you pressure insert this random list of people'. Titus is the most fucking obvtown person talking right now and I've already thrown my torch behind supporting her. Would you say you're waiting to see if there's any traction on lynching me? Suck my obvtowny balls, put your money where your mouth is. Your other scumread, mastin, is also someone who expressed you're probably scum. Do you just think you're so special the entire scumteam is raving to pile on top of you?
ffery: I'm trying to ask this objectively without being mad that you posted that while I was writing this. What has singer done that looks good?
Well...ok...not really sure where you're going with this post but let me see if I can parse it out...
1. What question?
2. I do not have Titus is my scum reads because I felt like there was too much clouding my judgement that I wanted to sus out first. She was also the only one to really engage with me consistently at the time I was reading last night, so I would think that's why it looks like there's a lot of attention there, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, Mastina is gone on the weekends and hasn't been back to respond to my posts.
3. Let me be clear...I will 100% support a lynch on you when I'm done reading up on the game. I don't need to "see if there's support" for it. If there's none, there's none, but I'm not hiding behind a thinly-veiled wall of "well what doyouthink we should do..." which can also be interpreted as buddying.
4. Um, well, I tend to let people stroke my ego so when someone disagrees with my alignment through no fault of my own, I tend to think they're scummy for it!
5. I like odd numbers.
@DeasVail...he's kind of a token policy target in most games I've seen him in (*UT*) but I've heard he's easy to read so I'm not really interested in him. He's not really playing like someone who's worried about being lynched, which I feel is more likely to come from town who won't hurt their team as much as a scumlynch would hurt theirs.
@Aronis...that seems like cherry picking. Do you actually think Titus is scummy for putting in that effort?-
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Um...
@UT...when you said you forgot that Ffery was confirmed town, does that strike you as something one alignment would do over the other, or just a generic mistake? I'm going to explain my thoughts on that lest someone mistakes that for a trick question...
As town, my priorities are finding scum; however, in the absence of an ability to do so, town hunting could be considered equally important. In this particular instance, with the locked thread, the public mistake, the missed hours of game time...all kind of flashing red lights to what's going on, don't you think? Because of this, I have aseriouslyhard time believing it was just an oversight.
So let me explain why I think this is more likely to come from scum...
AS SCUM, you're trying to trick the town, or throw shit around, or blend in, or make enough noise that people get distracted, or whatever scum-playing tactic one might have, right? It's my theory that a scumUT was more concentrated on trying to pressure/find little indescrepencies with one of the most recent posts (probably didn't matter who the poster was) that could potentially thrust someone else into negative limelight.
His priority didn't read as "is this person scum" it reads "is this person scummy."
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Um ok so my cat walked across my laptop and turned my screen sideways so I'm getting a bit of a head/neckache reading right now but I'll be back when someone tells me how to fix it. I'm on page 32 right now, but I can keep following along with current posts on my phone (just don't want to read 30 pages' worth of posts on it).
Ugh...I'm so annoyed. -_-
Also liked TSO calling out Bulb for his deleted post comment...aaaaand...yeah I think everyone else is kinda up in the air until I keep reading and get a better overall feel of the game. I also missed an entire day of The Good Wife for you guys so...you're welcome.-
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1. Ah, that. Well, I did say I put everyone who had less than 50 posts on that list. I felt the only one who wasn't explained very well was Mastina, but then the clarification was sufficient enough for me.
2. I don't understand your last sentence, but I think you can appropriately infer by my stronger scum reads that I'm not interested in lynching Titus. I am in uncharted territory with many of you, so I'm really confused by your reaction to my testing the waters with Titus. That being said, somewhere on page 30 or 31 she mentions again how she doesn't want to be relied on, so it'd be nice if you could explain where exactly I'm out of line in saying she seems to think people have some sort of dependency on her.
3. Um, ok. Well, it's not like I have some crazy way of making people see the light, but I can say what I can to direct them towards where I think the light is. It's true, by the end of my read, when I've said my peace, I might not be convincing enough with my ultimate preference. I think it would be foolish and anti-town not to express those thoughts anyway.
4. Not that this is going to help from your perspective, but the last game I played (with Ffery), I admitted I dropped suspicion on people who were willing to trust my alignment, which ultimately stemmed from a couple of previous games I was disappointed by my near-sightedness. It's not a gimmick and I'm not really sure how it relates to Marquis yet.-
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In post 1904, Aronis wrote:VOTE: singersigner
I just didn't feel like her scumreads were legit or genuine and after reading Shadoweh's last post it solidified what I was thinking.
Not legit scumreads?!?
Lol.
Walk me through this. What about my reads are disingenuious?
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@Ffery...Regfan would like me to remind you to clarify your town read on Titus.
He would also like me to pass along his reads list...I'm not really sure how to do that without actually C/Ping it, so...
Let's just say that these reads more or less go in descending order of towniness:
Vezok ***
DV ***
Cheer ***
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TSO ***
Tammy ***
[Gap]
Aronis
Bulb
GIF *
Marquis *
Esp.
Titus *
Mastin
UT *
CDB ***
Gamma *
AD
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TTH
Shadoweh ***
[Gap] = a significant difference between the strength of those reads
bolded = conflicted/null reads of no particular order
* = how strongly I personally agree with both the read and the placement of the read-
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Now, now, Mastin, you can't really go and accuse me of "insisting" anything when I simply stated once that after three posts of very little analysis, I didn't have much to offer. You may think the comment about having plenty to offer after four pages was just an aside, but even with that you're putting a huge burden of proficiency on me to provide something within hours of replacing into a 67ish? page game at that point. I've proven since then that I'm not hiding under excuses or trying to coast.
With regards to the content you felt I had given at that point, what exactly did you have a problem with?
And I wasn't saying you were shutting down much discussion, just the one pertinent to me when you offered such a brief opinion about how basically everything surrounding my slot was scum with no implication of being willing to continue a line of questioning that would allow me to clarify or ease any issues people have been having. I feel like scum would prefer me to stay stuck in a shady position as opposed to being willing to accept a new outlook from a fresh set of eyes after unfortunate circumstances.
I understand I'm biased here, but it's not really in anyone's best interest to assume the worst at this point.-
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You're...not...high on our scum list? You're mutually read as "whaaaaat is this person" by myself and Regfan. I did express a paranoia at the beginning of my replacement but you've since been gone as I've been playing catchup so I haven't really had time to cultivate a better read. Hence, the bolded "null in no particular order" read.-
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I like less spam posting! It's making it easier to catch up.
@UT...how do you feel about my recent debate with Titus based on your 793? I didn't see you comment on it at all even though it seems to be something you were also cautious of at one point.-
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Pages 36-37 seem to have a lot of GiF and CDB deferring to their team about reads, but then GiF said he's playing this game independently (implying little help from his team), and CDB is falling back on CES a lot and not forming his own stances. I'd like to see more of a catch-up from CDB than a few responses to recent posts before making my own judgement.
I'd still be willing to lynch Shadoweh or mastin, but I'm also willing to lynch CDB, Espeonage, TTH, or Aronis (in that order) for a general apathy and not really reading them as pro-town at this point.
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Mina's read is based thinking she can usually read him as town, and since she isn't really town-reading him, he falls short of her expectations by feeling fake with his read on us and a general lack of detailed reads (as I've outlined earlier with relying on CES to speak for him). The most recent pages make me feel that "cautious/safe" vibe, as well.-
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In post 968, Espeonage wrote:In post 966, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh btw fery is conftown.
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Titus what do you think of TTH now that she's "back" from your pressure? You postulated that she could be either a threat or a benefit to town...have you been able to parse through her now that 80% of her posts have been made in the last two days?
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My cat is perpetuating my alcoholism!
First he's in my lap, invoking the "cat rule."
Then he gets up, leans his head against my arm and tries to fall asleep upright.
Then I told him he's the reason I couldn't get another glass of wine and he left.
Page 51. It's getting harder and harder to keep reading the back and forths, but I only have like 12-13 more pages before i'm caught up to where I was. Same reads apply. Wishing we weren't penalized for being wrong with policy lynches.-
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Ok, seeing as I have 10 pages to go and a few glasses of wine in, I would like to formally ask Titus and Tammy to post about half as much as they are posting! If each of you posted on even the third highest level of posters (which is about 120 posts I believe), then the game would be about 15 pages shorter! WOAH. I also want to say that I'm not discouraging posting in general, just that with the quantity of posts, this caters to scum heavily, and I'd really like to 1. NOT do that, because this game shouldn't be any harder for town to find scum within 81 pages as it is, and 2. allow for others to respond and engage first. It's really hard to get an accurate feel for who's hiding and who's not when everyone feels overshadowed by the two of you. Don't get me wrong, ILY! but this catch up was really hard and slow going and I was trying to do my team justice by not doing my normal "half-hearted" catchup of only ISOing the mod and any relevant events, while also keeping up with everything else going on (there have been *count it* 14 pages! since I replaced in two days ago--ok I'll take away the two-ish pages I was personally engaging with Titus et all to get a better feel of the game).
That being said, I'm not going to fight for a lynch, as I hardly ever do on D1, seeing as I take the UT approach of WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING! I've stated my preferences, and will vote as soon as I read the last ten pages, and then we'll go from there! Thanks for being patient with me guez! <3-
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fffff
I really hate long paragraphy posts but I've got a pretty good buzz going and can't be fucked to edit. -_-
ALSO. FFERY. Regfan has been bugging me all night to figure out how to paraphrase the things he's like you to address so here goes:
With regards to Titus...I actually just addressed this! The post count/questioning have been interpreted to be slightly anti-town and he doesn't like her Bane0ing stance...count you elaborate on a non meta-based read of her?
Aronis...he likes #887, 14433, and 1372
Bulb...I'm gunna edit this out because I don't really agree with the town read so much!
Marquis...was paranoid, now he's not...super enlightening...
Mastin...had a town read, then didn't, now he does again, particularly the DV scum read!-
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My team is scumreads CDB but not GiF so much, so before I made a judgement call on the person my team is scumreading, I wanted to see more.
Mastin seems so adament that I'm scum regardless of very little evidence to support that read. Her catch ups that are in short bursts give a townier feel in that they're not being overly wordy like I'm used to from her, which makes it feel like the priority is on getting the point across, not in convincing someone she's right. So...mostly gut!
I'll have to elaborate on the mastin/DV/Regfan read thing when I get back to my computer, since I've been told not to be so meager when relating his thoughts. It's really hard not to C/P but accurately relay my team's thoughts. -_-
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I did it!
Anyway, Regfan's explanation on Mastin:
Beginning was town for what felt like something we're not really going to get into right now.
Then leaned scum because she was inactive in this game while posting around the site (specifically MD).
And now her stance on DV and insisting everyone else is wrong seems town.
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Oh my gosh! You're so fuckin right! How could I have possibly missed that on my phone! Wow must be scumzorz! Not because I haven't already projected exactly how I've felt about her! But because I'm so nice, let me quote it again for you!
In post 1673, singersigner wrote:unvotefor now.
I'm not really interested in a lynch until I'm all caught up. Preliminary town reads are Marquis, DeasVeil, vezok, and ActionDan. Preliminary gut is pinged by Shadoweh for her reaction to me grouping her in with players with objectively the lowest amounts of posts, mastin for denying me interactions while not explaining what she doesn't like which seems out of character for her, and...that's about as far as I've gotten with any sort of scum reads. Will wait to see what comes of my Bulb questioning and Titus' response.
@Bulb...let's not pretend TTH didn't heavily imply that it was a proveable role. I can't tell if you're confbiasing me by reading into that, white knighting the shit out of TTH, or just really trying to defend someone...
In post 1749, singersigner wrote:Hi I'm back for a while, and this post by Shadoweh caught my eye. It's the same thing she did recently where she says something that resembles a stance, but doesn't actually commit to it. It's like she's waiting for it to gain traction first.
Now, I'm the first to admit that I'm very uncomfortable with my reads sometimes, but if it becomes a habit throughout the day (which from the post I linked, to most recently, seems to be), then it's indicative of another problem.
It's better than an Espy vote because this is a universal scum read for my entire team and we'd really like to see her eat rope.-
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In post 2035, Cheetory6 wrote:My 'esp push'? I don't really see how I'm pushing for Esp right now.
I liked mastin's vote, asked espe questions, liked the responses to those questions and then haven't found something I feel is worth pushing more atm so I haven't voted someone else. If espe was in serious danger of being lynched right now, maybe I'd switch, but I don't see the point in unvoting and I'm not feeling particularly confident in my read on Bulba anymore, who I was focused on for a while. What exactly in there is an opportunistic esp push?
How can you say that you don't see how you're pushing for Esp right now when the very first thing you asked me was to comment on him, and then a follow-up reminder as I was still reading. Esp has been the second-highest wagon today, so it seems pretty weird that you're now falling back on a general sense of apathy with your vote being parked there even after you claimed you weren't particularly sold on it anymore.-
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In post 2042, Cheetory6 wrote:I didn't call you scum for missing my question.
You can be defensive over a naked vote that I haven't even elaborated on yet though if you'd like though.
You're voting for me so I can only assume you think I'm scum somehow. Crazy assumption!
Point being, you've had to remind me to respond to you previously without a vote on me, so there wasn't exactly a point to prove with me overlooking that comment. To assume that is to negate the shallowness of voting me immediately after Gamma and excusing it as "waiting til you're done catching up." Like. Oh, "let's wait til she's finished reading all 81 PAGES of this shit (wasting not only my time, but yours), and THEN lynch her!"
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I'm bringing this up now because you literally just posted it in response to Gamma...how am I supposed to bring it up before he asked you about it?-
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Voting me is rude and I get pissy when people are wrong.
But you're right, it wasn't an excuse to vote me because I can tell you were just waiting for me to catch up (in hindsight I did think it was weird you kept asking me...).
I'm finally interacting in real time because I actually have a better grasp on the game now, and right when that happens, it seems like everything slowed down. I've been waiting for people to respond to me or make some sort of gesture all day, because I'm finally ready to play this game and get more information.
Gamma's vote actually upsets me more than yours because I know him irl and I feel like he should know better? Skeevy is a pretty non-committal way of describing my posting style, which while I'm biased, doesn't really describe it accurately?-
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Is there a particular order you think people should be lynched in Titus? I'm not gunna lie, if I'm gunna get lynched no matter what, I'd really like for it to be second.
(I'm actually a littler surprised there's still so much dissonance at this point in the day because of the double lynch)-
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I don't like that because I really don't think Gamma's scum despite not having a good reason to vote me.
@Titus...there's a difference between discrediting you and discrediting your argument which was wrong and hypocritical. I'm not sure why you've continued to overlook that. My predecessors don't really need to agree with my positions, nor I theirs and it's really weird that you're even calling on that as an issue. The only one you can even compare it to is Zar since he's still playing TM, but I won't/don't sheep my teammates unconditionally unless I have no choice.
Re: provoking me...can I make it easier for you to understand me? I'm not really sure how my communication has failed since I've been voted.
@GiF...that Gamma vote sucks only because you're using "proxy" as an excuse.-
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Good question.
My biggest problem with her is the juxtaposition between her insistence that she doesn't have control or sway over the town/game state, but makes comments suggesting strongly that she does and believes that she does. That, and the whole posting 3xs+ which is serious overkill. -_-
Otherwise it's really hard to parse through her self-assessment that she's posting differently at her teammates advice. It seems genuine? Though, fuck, I feel like I remember people getting upset with Marquis for purposefully posting differently, and don't remember anyone calling her out for it. I'll have to look back at that...-
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Gamma that looks an awful lot like selective meta to fit your agenda. Your most recent example is three years ago, and the only scum game (meta mafia) was a grand total of 35 posts.
I know you have more recent, up-to-date, and accurate meta, so it's making me even more uncomfortable that you even negate it with "Fuuuck meta."-
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@Gamma...you definitely have more recent town meta on me, which was more the point, and I honestly haven't been scum (save my most recent newbie game) since the 2012 Scummies Invitational, which was also almost two years ago. I think your statement that you hate meta but are using it as a soft support/case/whathaveyou on me is really inconsistent and self-serving.
Now that I think of it, of the 40-50 games I've played, I think I have about five scum games under my belt. >_>
@Titus...so I agree with your stance on hydra dissonance being an issue, but I fail to see where it's particularly relevant here. You're pursuing it with a confirmed town so I'm not really seeing the endgame with this argument...
@GiF...why would ika replacing into your spot make it another mislynch spot? If it's substantiated I can see your thought process, but, that logick train I'm not really following, which seems to be the basis of your town read on CDB.
@AD...I know you're a particularly ornery player when it comes to working well with others by participating even a little bit, but it's pretty much an excuse to get yourself lynched/vigged/whathaveyou. It's not fair in a normal game, let alone when you have a whole team counting on you to step up. Despite my gut townread on you, I have no issue lynching you because of it.-
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I specifically asked you that because it doesn't really answer my question. You seem to be pursuing Ffery for "hydra dissonance" (as much as can be done in TM), but where was this concern with other people using their teammates as a fallback for their reads/disagreements?Titus wrote:@Singer - I literally just answered that in the post before you asked me, and then you just asked GiF a question that mirrors one I asked (why would ika be mislynchable?). If you're so uncertain on me, why do I get the feeling you are ignoring my posts?
@FFery, After today's first lynch, I would like to try an exercise that has us work together. We will post our townreads. Those who we match on, we do not lynch or push. Then we each toggle down until we get to four remaining players. We then agree the second lynch is within those four and put our town weight behind it.I would like to stop sucking as widely townread plus force myself to work with people even if I do not always agree with their reads and this seems like a method to do that.
As for the hydra thing, I will need time to try and get your perspective. I will review what you have said in more detail.
And can you please stop with the AtE with regards to your skills and ability? It's clouding the way I feel about you.-
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In post 2202, Gammagooey wrote:^and i think you attacking the individual games I posted for your town meta is more than a little dumb and arbitrary when one of them I brought up specifically because Nacho was in it with you and the other was just another large theme I remembered being in with you.
the point of bringing up those games isn't 'omg i think singer is scum because she's playing differently' which is always garbage, it's more like *i think singer's tone doesn't really seem like she's scumhunting and these are some games that i have personally seen singer play in (i was in the dead qt for a chunk of nacho's game with you) that helps to show my background with singer and why I think it's not just a playstyle nulltell*
If you had any bit of recent meta on me, I wouldn't be arguing with you. The difference in those games are circumstantially different, particularly the scum game, which is the only one I really attacked anyway.
Point being, you might have that experience with me, but anyone who's played with me recentlyat allknows my town game is vastly different now than it was three years ago (so much so that in just about every newbie game I've played recently, I comment on it at one point or another), so bringing up outdated meta while simultaneously saying "fuck meta" is really only fitting your agenda.
If you read literally any game of mine in the last year you'd see asignificantdifference in the way I approach mafia now, which you seem to be blindly approaching/not acknowledging.
fferyllt wrote:he's asking others to give him assignments. There is plenty of surface data in the thread that would suggest how to prioritize, and doing so - prioritizing - would be the town thing to do IMO.
Agreed. If he were replacing in I would understand this initially, but he has a responsibility to keep up/follow along on his own merit. To give us the responsibility of providing him direction is severely lacking town-motivation unless he can properly supply a reason for doing so.
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@Titus...I'm going to ask you nicely to shut up. I'm not saying you're trying to paint Ffery as scum, pls tia (literally have never said that before but it felt good!). I'm saying you're pursuing an unnecessary line of questioning that you haven't proven to support this current game state. You know she's town. What does her opinion/stance on hydra's have anything to do with the game right now?