Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

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choose: two

hai gamma

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Choosing between One and Two seems to be kinda irrelevant to me, honestly

...this that a joke?

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Although

@Mod: When you say "protection from 2 kills", is that protection spread over 2 or more people or the same person?

how about you figure out the specifics of what the fuck you're talking about before you start talking down to people

see you in 30 pages

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wah wah

you're the one who doesn't understand that we're determining a choice between increased information to all players and safety from kills

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or rather, doesn't understand why it's a big deal

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oh wow you posted on two consecutive pages

is that a new record?

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anyway, Dan, are you planning on showing up for this game? there's a lot of moving parts and it'd be pretty cool if one of the few people capable of really getting their mind around it actually participated

open invitation

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Maybe you know, if you treat me maybe somewhat cordially, I can lend you my special insights

mmk let's be fwiends

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so fferylt

how's being an IC treating you?

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so we chose information over protection

I can understand that

I sincerely doubt that TSO, Gamma, or Cheat are scum. I just can't see scum making that choice.

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I love how ffer's list only explains her maybe reads

no explanation to her town or scum reads.

great job A+

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Actiondan. - possibility of scum theater maybe, but otherwise leaning a little town. have a question in to my team about the interaction with UT

I'll go ahead and answer it for you: I rip on him every game for being a lackadaisical herpaderp

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I love how ffer's list only explains her maybe reads

no explanation to her town or scum reads.

great job A+

Let me demonstrate why her town/scum reads doesn't have any comments on it.

Do you disagree with any of those? (Baring yourself obv), if so, which and why?

that doesn't demonstrate anything. that's you asking me to do her work for her.

I suspect you are happy with it because you're on the town list

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I love how ffer's list only explains her maybe reads

no explanation to her town or scum reads.

great job A+

I don't need to show off how towny I am with a drop dead gorgeous reads list. It'll change out of jammies and bunny slippers later.

Any particular reason why you want to snark at me?

Anything more game-relevant and alignment-indicative you'd like to contribute?

oh stop shifting the goalposts

I didn't ask for a gorgeous reads list. you didn't give ANY indication of why you believe your town or scum readings. all there is any explanation whatsoever for is your null/weak reads.

idgaf if you give a full reads list or some nonsense like that, I just found it very fishy that your reads that you are actually willing to put weight behind got no explanation at all

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Also UT you so realize that fery is confirmed town right?

uhhhhh no, actually I forgot

that makes a lot more sense now though

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I seriously doubt that town would forget you've been defanged either. My only question is whether UT is having a grudge or just scum.

there are other options

like I thought it was a bad list

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I sincerely doubt that TSO, Gamma, or Cheat are scum. I just can't see scum making that choice.

Say more words about this. Why?

more kills seems good in this game. ending it sooner and narrowing down the player pool quickly is advantageous in a game that is heavy in the confusion factor

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because

a. this game is fucking bananas
b. I have a lot of stuff going on in my life
c. it's literally not that important to me, sorry

you can be a dumbass and try to turn that into some kind of scumtell, but unimportant things slip your mind when you're an adult with a job and stuff

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UT is scum. He's just posting crap to piss people off. Town UT is observant.

meta is trash.

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So you think scum all stacked on either no vote or Choice 1?
I could see someone being like "I'm leaning town on everyone who voted this", but calling all of us townreads like that just feels.. simple.

...it's three people, dude

anyway, I just said I sincerely doubt it, not that I have an unshakeable faith in their alignment

reads can change

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I've felt the hostility even before the "bad list". But I guess it's all moot now.

you'll all manage to soldier on, I'm sure of it

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anyway I'm not a huge fan of the conciliatory tone that CDB is taking.

cheet's interactions with me feel town

Titus, idfk, nulltown I guess. I don't have the easiest time reading people like her because I just get really annoyed when people think they have mafia ~figured out~

that's all I've got from the last few pages

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It just feels like shallow analysis.
Like, why would you come in and attack someone's readlist for having weak reasoning and then spout off reads that are impersonal to the players making the votes for each Choice? Like, I personally just didn't have a strong opinion on which option was better and thus kept my vote on the one that I thought I liked at the start of the game. Does that really sound like your reasoning for townreading me is applicable anymore?

analysis this early in the game is by definition shallow, and anyone who tells you differently is a fucking charlatan

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okay I think we've found some common ground then

I'm going through some work-related shit IRL right now and it's making me really irritable

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because

a. this game is fucking bananas
b. I have a lot of stuff going on in my life
c. it's literally not that important to me, sorry

you can be a dumbass and try to turn that into some kind of scumtell, but unimportant things slip your mind when you're an adult with a job and stuff

Nacho doesn't like you for town so much right now.

oh no, anything but that

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are you saying that I'm buddying someone, or that DV is buddying me?

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...where?

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no espe

let's go down the rabbit hole

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I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

let's find it though so you can add the target to your spreadsheet of interactions

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I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

let's find it though so you can add the target to your spreadsheet of interactions

I just said it does not exist.

You want me to find something that does not exist...

To put it in a spreadsheet...that does not exist...

I assumed you were referring to a post where I was talking to someone other than DV, rather than just inventing posts in your mind

and don't act like you don't have a spreadsheet

I know you do

...as in my fantasies....

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And why the fuck would I deliberately replace into a 20-player game if I'm replacing into a scum slot in a game allegedly I'm so inattentive to

probably because your team thought that was the only way to salvage the slot?

I'm not into WIFOM though, so....

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Probably a lack of the necessary number of dumb people

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Probably a lack of the necessary number of dumb people

Hello, I see you've shown up right on cue to call me dumb. Do you have any reads?

you could check my iso before saying more dumb things?

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bane: Empire

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How to do baning is that we bane the most controversial player and lynch the scummy one.

unless that's not how you want to approach it

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I would imagine that the scum are just going to target someone with all of their available unmakes, so revealing a sign won't really force scum to do anything they weren't probably going to do already

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you could check my iso before saying more dumb things?

Checked it. I see four stale reads with weak reasons and no bane vote.

stale

ha

what exactly has happened in between now and then that should change my reads?

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(5) Empire: Bulbazak, Titus, GuyInFreezer, Marquis, Untrod Tripod (Tammy) [L-5]

I think one of these is scum. I'm not sure who though.

you think that out of 5 random players in a 19 player game one might be scum?

please do go on, but be careful because I'm not sure my fragile mind can take any more of your amazing insights

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ActionDan (who, by the way, needs to show up)

DAN IS LURKING???

WHAT ARE THE ODDS????????????????????????

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are you asking why I haven't voted for a bane target?

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@Tammy/Empire, I want to solve you two and not have any more Tammy v Empire fighting. If you are both town, we cannot afford in fighting. If one or either of you is scum, we need it resolved so the gamestate does not stagnate. If you're down, I would like to do socratic method with you both.

oh get over yourself

you're not going to figure out their alignments with any real degree of certainty right now

and trying to play peacemaker is just part of the shell game you're trying to set up to have people depend on you

igmeoy

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@Tammy/Empire, I want to solve you two and not have any more Tammy v Empire fighting. If you are both town, we cannot afford in fighting. If one or either of you is scum, we need it resolved so the gamestate does not stagnate. If you're down, I would like to do socratic method with you both.

oh get over yourself

you're not going to figure out their alignments with any real degree of certainty right now

and trying to play peacemaker is just part of the shell game you're trying to set up to have people depend on you

igmeoy

Wow..you wonder why I do not like you. Yes I am capable of figuring out alugnments. I have my own way of tackling things.This is another example of you saying pointlessly controversial things.

The last thing I want is the game in my hands. I want this set up so that I am not depended on but we reach a resolution.

I don't think anyone is going to depend on me in a) early game or b) a behavioral read without loads of justification and planning based on setup. I don't like games where people depend on me. That is why I hate obvtown games.

What about that post made you think I was making myself seem important?

by making yourself an integral part of the process to "figuring them out with socratic method" and getting them to "stop fighting" you are trying to set yourself up to seem important. it's also a higher-level scumplay, one of my favorites in fact, to play peacemaker, so it's pinging my scumdar

and yeah, I bet you don't like people who call you out on your nonsense. nothing could be less surprising.

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ad-hominem attacks

tell your team to learn what ad hominem means and then get back to me

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yeah don't talk down to me, Titus

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what bothers me is the fact that you think you can solve a game or an alignment at the very beginning of the game

I'm totally on board with using the socratic method, but I don't think it will gain you surefire alignment information

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nor are you addressing the fact that I believe that you are trying to play peacemaker to make yourself look town

for what it's worth have you not for a moment considered that I'm butting heads with you on purpose?

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For instance, when you said I was "making myself look more important than I was" is properly considered an ad hominen attack

I'm not attacking you the person, I'm attacking what you were doing and what I perceived as its motivations

don't be ridiculous

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well I'm really looking forward to all that fantastic information you're going to uncover by being so much smarter than I am

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I may not get emotion well, but I do know logic and I do understand when a tunnel is coming about.

I was actually just telling my team that I'm townreading you because of this conversation

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You wanted to stop me because you thought it was a power play. That's not based in logic. That's based in fear and discrediting.

that doesn't make it wrong

in this game you have to play on people's emotions. it's all about political positioning and leveraging people's motivations into being useful to you. logic is all well and good, but analyzing motivations is a powerful tool if you want to find scum.

I understand you have your method based in formal logic, which I imagine has served you well at times, but you're ignoring the other half of the game by acting like you can solve the game with formal logic. there's always going to be uncertainty no matter how good your method is.

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don't apologize for being pedantic, what you have to say is super interesting

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bane: vezok

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bane: bulbazak

onward

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@Espe

what has Tbone had to say about me?

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FFery should pick the boon person or the boon pool we vote in. We know scum cannot influence uf she picks directly.

Ffery picking a pool from which we Boon is a good idea. I would prefer to have some influence in choosing from within that subset as we know that town vastly outnumbers scum.

I endorse this product or service

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@Espe

what has Tbone had to say about me?

Nuthing

if this keeps up I'm gonna start scumreading you

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yeah look out

I'm real scary

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Gamma

what the fuck are you doing?

this does not make me want to form a posse with you

don't you want to form a posse?

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okay we can talk about being in a posse if you set your skin to mafTigers

I did it

come on

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it's okay, let's save the ~possepower~ for later

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Mod: can you prod ActionDan, please?

He was prodded when VC 29 was posted. -hito

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Scum Marquis generally is awkward as fuck consistenly. One of his first scumganes I was town and he took an obvtown slot and obvscummed it in 2 seconds to be lynched. Sabotage mafia he was a Jiffy hydra. While his play was not bd, heis still incredibly awkward and forced. Here, everything seems organic, thoughtful and game related, so I really donot get your issue.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*! someones's talking about behavior !*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

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but seriously

I don't think Marquis deserves a boon

alignment isn't the only thing to consider when gifting a 1-shot power role....

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but seriously

I don't think Marquis deserves a boon

alignment isn't the only thing to consider when gifting a 1-shot power role....

We are not giving a role. We are giving an enhanced detect....

how is that different from being given an invention or one-shot power role? I guess he won't flip with new info, but since it's mod-confirmed the result seems identical to me

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learning a sign is NOT a flavor cop and it's NOT an enabler

unless we're defining these terms differently somehow

and I don't trust Marquis to use the ability well even if he's town.

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okay, we're just defining our terms differently

I was starting to get worried that I misunderstood the game rules

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also uh... I don't know how to say this nicely, but I just don't think he'd make a good choice if he's town, and I'm not super confident in his townliness

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boon: Tammy

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the marquis is a puzzling creature

it never quite shed it's n00bish skin and instead carries it around like a protective shell

predators ignore it, for fear of the public shame it would cause if they took the time to make it their prey

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watch as it puffs up its body to appear more threatening than it actually is

the careful biologist can calm the marquis by gently stroking its nose

like this

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my scumread on UT has been a constant so far, it has never been a townread, nor has it ever changed or mellowed

which is weird considering that a lot of time has passed since you formed that read!

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nor was that section even really in response to what she said! it's almost like you have no substative response to it!

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look we can stand around all day and argue, or we can just all agree that you're dumb and go home

and I for one have a busy drinking schedule tonight

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although I *too* support Cheetory for a Boon, so maybe I'm just being a dick to you for no reason

hmmmmmmmmmmm

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inculcation, I think it's called

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@UT

:

Can you talk about your read on Tammy right now? I did a quick f-search through your ISO and I didn't really see much mention of her so I'm curious as to the reasoning behind that vote.

I can read, thanks

of TSO, vezok, and Tammy, I trust Tammy the most with the powah

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"I trust Tammy's decision making the most of all three"

is what I was getting at

I don't really have an alignment read on Tammy at this time

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ugh

can you guys just wake me for day 5

this is painful to read

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I like the warm and fuzzy Titus

also hi singer!

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UT is a pretty universal scum read with my team

well your team is real dumb

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AD, are you an incredibly smart person who has english as a second language or an aspie? That language is stilted and awkward.

omg Titus you can't just ask people why they're white

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I'm not participating in a Marquis lynch at this time. I literally don't understand what the arguments are for a TTH lynch.

I think vezok is whiteknighting just a liiiiiiiiiiiiittle too hard. could be scum here.

mastin is a derp, but what's new. I can't suss out an alignment there because literally nothing has happened in the game and it's 68 pages long so far.

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he's whiteknighting EMPIRE (or singer, w/e)

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holy shit guys

holy shit we have nothing to go on

can we just lynch someone bad and move on

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holy shit guys

holy shit we have nothing to go on

can we just lynch someone bad and move on

Really? Nothing.

We had enough to bane and boon.

Why can't we just cooperate? *bats eyes*

FINE. GAWD.

so I don't really know how to read the bane and boon from the beginning of the game? if you have any ideas there I'm all ears

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I'm not looking to mislynch you IMO

what

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Also, if anyone ever claims vig, they should be quicklynched. Given that the theme is Creation vs. Annihilation, I don't think town has any killing powers.

P-edit: I think the speed in this case was indicative of greedy scum.

take your ridiculous setup spec somewhere else thanks.

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yeah dude I was totally planning to fake claim vig but only by your genius deductions have I been thwarted

how the mighty have fallen

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I'm not looking to mislynch you IMO

what

Marquis is tense. There's a bullshit response pushing on him. Reassuring him that I'm playing nice is helpful. Someone recommended that. I get this data, I can compare with his prior wagons and see if I'm right.

I know, I just wanted to pyramid quote something

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are we just saying what archetypes we fulfill now?

how did I miss that memo

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I feel like this is taking a turn for the worse right now

give it time

it's going to get a lot worse

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yeah... no

as scum I would remember who the conftown are

try again

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I guess I misunderstood your previous post, because it kind of seemed to be making the opposite argument?

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I'm not very good at sarcasm.

gotta use dat /s tag

and your argument is weak, but I can see the position it's coming from, and it's one of not understanding how to play a strong scum game.

calling the CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN scummy and acting like "lol I forgot" as scum is cheeky as fuck and has no real upside. That's shitty and cute scumplay you're accusing me of. Have some goddamn respect.

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back in the cage gamma

I'll call you when I'm ready to POSSE UP

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I smell a townblocccccccccccccccc

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mastin is a derp, but what's new.

(Says the person who just said vezok could be scum. And witnessed me nail basically every anti-town in Drawn on Arrival save for one who died via NK during the night that was null. I do do derping, but no matter how much derping I do, and no matter how mediocre my play, I am not myself a derp.)

was that even English

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Espe what are T-Bone's thoughts about this game?

He hasn't posted about it past the little thing about marq.

I'm surprised he hasn't had something to say about UT.

in his defense I wouldn't be reading this game either

but it has surprised me as well

I made a point to go check *his* game

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I've never seen singer post this much in a mafia game and it's freaking me out

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@titus/singer : i have no compunctions about working with you persay. This game is incredibly long both in wall posts and page numbers so I'll be able to give you a read/analysis of any one or two particular players at a time. Make a suggestion and ill go from there

I really don't like seeing you take a consulting stance like this.

I really like that he's participating

don't harsh my buzz

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UT has been friendly but I need more. He's my weakest read though bc this doesn't really match Uncouth mafia.

uncouth is a terrible example of my scum game

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vote: Espeonage

let's get this over with

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Also the people im referring to I guess are cdb and ut, I just dont remember seeing anything from them about esp aside from 'yeah sure lynching him is fine'

I think he's annoying and it's page fucking 94 I want the game to get on there's too much informationless posting and BS

that's good enough for me

I'm tired of reading his posts

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this is the laziest fucking garbage.
what's your opinion on singer's play and let's say cheetory and GuyInFreezer's too

gamma plz

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Why is UT getting away with so much scummy shit?

because I'm so town, dude

look at my face

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like

is this game a joke that everyone is playing on me

why are there NINETY SEVEN GODDAMN PAGES and no content

how is this even possible

windmill slam a goddamn lynch and move on

at this point, we're learning nothing but how insufferable mastin is and that singer wants to change up her game

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Oversoul/Marquis/TSO/Vezok/DV

With me!

that's like the most adorable thing I think I've ever seen

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What is with this game when everyone but the notorious hardheaded townie adopts a my way or the highway approach?

hey

I'm all for cooperating

don't lump me into that bullshit

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egfan and I would really not like an espeonage wagon.

that's wonderful for you

shh

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Ok then why are you allowing town to eat the shit wagon on me that doesn't even have reasons that are conclusively scum?

aww

is someone mad that they got caught for the wrong reasons?

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unvote, vote ActionDan

I don't even care

this 112 page 1st day is sucking my will to live

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look

singer, espe, dan

I really truly do not care

I just want this day to end

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stop your vanity vote

singer isn't getting lynched today

participate with the game

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People like UT paying attention to the literal numbers (idiotic as that is) will see one less vote and think the wagon is one less vote from being viable.

hey dipshit, I'm actually reading the game, I just would rather pull my eyelashes out 1 by 1 than participate in this clusterfuck

fuck it, I'll try to make this singer lynch happen.

at least that way mastin won't be get to "deserve" a lynch tomorrow

vote singer

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my kingdom for a dayvig....

I'd shoot mastin tho

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Like, I get why this is happening. I just really can't get behind it after following singer/empire/zar's ISO.

are you kidding me? Empire's ISO screams "look super cocky so people won't try scumreading you"

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my kingdom for a dayvig....

I'd shoot mastin tho

Fuck no. That's a terrible vig shot.

you're really undervaluing the benefits of not having to read mastin's posts

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my kingdom for a dayvig....

I'd shoot mastin tho

Fuck no. That's a terrible vig shot.

you're really undervaluing the benefits of not having to read mastin's posts

I love Mastina's posting. She's blunt, direct and transparent usually. So it's a punishment to not read them.

we obviously have very different definitions of all of those words

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Umm Ffery it's about one day until the deadline for first lynch you wanted...so I don't think she can...


@UT, Not reaaly. Logic walls I love.

look I could spend all day here saying mean things about mastin, but it's not going to give me a dayvig so there's no real point

I just want one of these lynches to happen so we can get on with this game

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hey gamma we're on the same wagon now isn't that NEAT

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I kinda hate all 3 major wagons, but we get a second lynch today... hmmm decisions

If you hate all three wagons, go for whichever one you think has the least scum.

bussing is a thing

I think there's maybe one scum on Singer (UT), possible up to three on AD given the speed of his wagon and scum possibly capitalizing on quicklynch desires and a couple possible on Espy...(yes I know that's too many scum).

you can't possibly know this kind of thing right now. this is bullshit disguised as analysis.

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you sound confident

but whatevssssssssssss as long as you aren't pretending it's something it isn't

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I totally and unequivocally oppose a singer lynch.

There is no room for us to work.

You're trying to argue against my baliwick - my ability to read Empire via his reads lists (which has never failed, except when he was hydraing with Nacho, who was crafting the reads lists iirc). Arguments like "scum could do that" don't scratch the surface. It's a full reads list and every piece of it hangs together in a way that Empire town reads lists do. And it's devoid of the stuff I see in Empire scum reads lists. The fact that you or anyone else have done something as scum has no bearing on what Empire as scum would do, would include, would spin as scum.

this post makes me want to lynch singer SO FUCKING BADLY

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Really UT, you want to lynch Singer after that? Confirmed town pushing something that never fails and you want to go against it...why? That seems fucking shitty. I think there's something else underneath that Ffery finds in Empire and then tailors it but a 100% accuracy rate should not be fought against.

nothing makes me want to go against someone more than them saying FOLLOW ME I'VE LITERALLY NEVER BEEN WRONG

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never fails only means hasn't failed yet

this is a behavioral game, for fuck's sake

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Also, ffery, would you endorse a flashwagon on TSO?

ooh ooh! I would!

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vote TSO

wheeeeeeeeeee!

wheeeeeeeee!

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holy shit they're still posting

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UT is being dum about people posting in a game of mafia

it's been 126 goddamn pages with NOTHING gained

it passed the point of mental masturbation like 50 pages ago

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when were you in NC??????

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man, I just never will get tired of people saying they agree with me

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GET WRECKED TSO

GET WRECKED

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I'm mostly glad just for the flip though

I feel like we've been playing lynch roulette the last 20ish pages

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VOTE: Vezok

TSO was willing to make sure no PR got the boon to stop Vezok from getting it. I want to know why.

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Oh please

I play the same way every game

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Oh please

I play the same way every game

So you agree that wasn't such a hot reason to be townreading you.

yeah

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But whatever. I know Nacho is pushing this. It's becoming a sitewide thing where Nacho is fucking lynching me in every game we play and he's always wrong.

This really seems like scumposting.

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readfirstplz

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Which is it? An accurate example of your play in general? Or not?
While we're at it. Who are you scum reading?
What is the difference between your town play and your scum play if you are so aware of what is a "bad" example of your scum game? (which is also by your own admission your town game)

a post-restriction game where I replaced into essentially a doomed scumslot late in the game is going to be pretty different from one where I actually got to shape the slot the way I ordinarily would?

is that not patently obvious to you?

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While we're at it. Who are you scum reading?

singer, titus, I'd love a mastin vote based on policy but that's really not an alignment read

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I feel like if I try to ask people things, UT will just come in and call me stupid for adding to the post count.

nah manggggggggg there's a flip, go on

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway I think that singer is a decent bet for scum. one of the lynchroulette candidates was proooooobably scum and I think singer is the most likely

empire's posts, especially his entry posts, were pretty fucking scummy

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@UT - Based on what policy?

is that a serious question?

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@UT - Based on what policy?

is that a serious question?

Yes.

the policy is I hate reading the posts

I just hate them

I hate that they're in the game affecting things

I hate their stupid faces

FUCKIN SHIT

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UT, Mastina's posts are my favorite to read and there is nothing wrong with them fmpov.

well you're entitled to your opinion

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on mastin?

mostly null, slightly scum

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but I think mastin is kind of hard to read before you can catch her in bad lynches and lies so I'm not super concerned about figuring that out til later

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I'm...not? I just said I wasn't going to be that worried about figuring her alignment out until later

I've given some reads

I don't do full reads lists

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Look at me, aronis, ut and vezok.

Why to each? You voted UT right? Why?

to give the appearance of objectivity

:3

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He couldn't just pop some reads or quote a read post.

are you serious? ten-ish minutes elapsed between you asking for them and you voting for me

you can't be serious

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"PoE townbloc"

day 1

seems good!

Pedit: that is SO not the point, and bullshit. TEN MINUTES. I'm trying to do some work tonight because I was at a gig til 11. that activity related reason for a vote is bullshit and you know it is.

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anyway, I already gave some, but I'll expand a bit further

Cheet I think is pretty town atm. Gamma seems pretty town. vezok I've been feeling better about lately so we can call him a tentative townread. GiF I was townreading but is sliding. bulba I was feeling weird about but honesty can't remember why. shadoweh seems oily to me but I'm not worried yet.

for scum my pool is singer, titus, mastin, gun to my head mayyyyyyyyyyybe oversoul but that'd take some work

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Not really. You haven't pushed anything in awhile. I have said I needed more from you.

You can still answer who you're scumreading. It's not a wall question. It's simple.

My scumreads are
My townreads are

let me make this pretty simple: you don't "need" anything from me.

you aren't a town leader.

you're just some person posting

no one is impressed

put your dick away

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like I'm not dead set against townreading you ever but GODDAMN I will work with you as a member of a group, not an employee. cut back on the language like you're in charge of shit.

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and anyway on the working together front, I really need to poke around the surroundings of the wagons and see who looked like they were pushing off of whoever onto TSO

more flips would be helpful but that too would be a start

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yeah singer, I'm trying to call out a whole team here

not only have I been super duper fucking clear about my desire to policy lynch mastin, but my lynch candidates are not and have never been in any game I've ever played been chain-lynch requirements or "I think these unflipped players are scum together"

you're reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally reaching here

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and besides, the last 60 pages have just been a bunch of people yelling "you're townreading me? but I'm townreading YOU. let's consider each other to be confirmed town and work together based on absolutely nothing! yay flowers and unicorns and scum in our town bloc!"

my scum pool could probably use some updating what with the flip and wagons and shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit but that's where it was in my head when it was asked

anyway, keep going on about stuff I didn't say because it's really doing wonders for your towncred

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bro I think I've more than proven that I'm willing to throw my vote around

your reasoning is bad and you should feel bad

whatevs though, time is short and etc.

vote singer

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psst do you really think DV can happen today?

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Of course! Well, that's assuming mastin will put her money where her mouth is, which she has yet to do. But I'm

sure

that won't be a problem with the super-de-dooper town bloc of power that's totally firing on all cylinders here, right Titus?!

well you certainly have my vote

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hey

it wasn't sarcastic!

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that's a good policy moving forward

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anyway, I already gave some, but I'll expand a bit further

Cheet I think is pretty town atm. Gamma seems pretty town. vezok I've been feeling better about lately so we can call him a tentative townread. GiF I was townreading but is sliding. bulba I was feeling weird about but honesty can't remember why. shadoweh seems oily to me but I'm not worried yet.

for scum my pool is singer, titus, mastin, gun to my head mayyyyyyyyyyybe oversoul but that'd take some work

But he'd vote DV.

Someone who Mastina scumreads.

yeah, once I pick scumreads I just roll with the assumption that I can't possibly be wrong and refuse to vote for anyone who wouldn't make sense with unflipped players I'm scumreading. I win a lot of games that way.

(see, TTH, that was sarcasm)

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yeah no.

a. I'm not really scumreading DV. I don't really have much of a read on DV and while I'd vote on the wagon if I had to, I was mostly just saying that so TTH would know I'm in support of her
b. I've been super duper fucking clear that I'd vote mastin for policy, not alignment
c. this is pretty sad Titus. Are you so scared of someone pushing back at you that you're resorting to this kind of bullshit? just nightkill me.

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If you thought you were both town, you shouldn't be down for lynching her. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

I'm not sure you know what policy lynch means

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white knighting is always a fun and shiny case, but I'm not sure it's what aronis was doing

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not my boss

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fuck it

vote Titus

I'm tired of reading her scummy misrepping posts

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Yeah there's no support for a TSO town in Aronis's ISO. He just says he won't vote TSO after pushing Dan because deadline. Not much difference between Dan and TSO as neither were around (although TSO was vla).

UT defending Aronis makes me feel better about an Aronis wagon.

Voting someone because another unflipped scumread of yours doesn't want them lynched is pretttty awful titus.

scumreading people for weak interactions with your unflipped scumreads is practically the motto of some people

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there's a certain amount of "I'm going to listen to Titus from now on!" that will happen the more people see you accurately read a game

I can tell you for sure that in my future games with you I'm going to be sheeping your reads to some extent

also I hate playing scum because when someone has an airtight case on you, it's like "well... I know... and I'm impressed by your deductions....but.... I'm gonna have to be an obstinate dick instead"

Sound familiar UT.

It sounds like to me you're not sheeping my reads at all but instead trying to shut down good thoughs.

youuuuuuuuuuu think that's an airtight case?

that's pretty funny

I'm scumreading you. I'm not gonna sheep your reads.

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gamma please be town

my poor heart can't take any more disappointment

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You are saying "Uncouth is a bad example of my scumplay" and "I play every game the same way". This is contradictory. By your own admission, you play every game the same way, regardless of alignment. ANY example of ANY of your play would then reflect on play. Sure, you could say that this is null, but what you are saying right now appears to me that there IS a difference between 1) your scum play, or else why try to fight on this point and 2) your play across alignments, again, why else would you try to fight this point.

it can still be shitty when you replace into a more-or-less confirmed scum slot late in the game. it cuts of a lot of your options. yeah my tone and approach are pretty much the same, but if you want to know how I would approach something you should pick a game where I am more able to manipulate the gamestate to my faction's advantage. take a look at MS Fantasy Camp 2 if you're into the whole meta thing (which it kind of seems like you are). I'm saying if you want to do some kind of tonal analysis or whatever it gives you a *really* narrow view of my approach as scum because my course was more or less set before I replaced in

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and I really don't understand why you're harping on it or why you think it's an inconsistency because it's pretty much by definition not

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also calling for votes on someone else when you've stated that you want to look at a 1-in-3 group of people of different is pretty ineffective planning and just looks like you're trying to say things you think people want to hear and give yourself license to plop down a vote on one of the big wagons and make it look like some kind of principled stance

and no it's not the list of players, it's that you're putting on airs about it and trying to paint yourself as some kind of leader

you're not

you're just someone saying what literally everyone wants to hear. you've expressed an interest in voting for at least one of everyone's scumreads.

I'm not impressed

@Oversoul, why is Aronis a "vanity wagon"? It's (I think) Ffery endorsed and the second largest wagon.

And ffery endorsed wagons always end great, right?

we're doing this thing right now where we pretend that making a town bloc day 1 is a great idea and is the same thing as teamwork

I'll address you later, UT

I can't tell you how exciting or unexpected that is

anyway, I already gave some, but I'll expand a bit further

Cheet I think is pretty town atm. Gamma seems pretty town. vezok I've been feeling better about lately so we can call him a tentative townread. GiF I was townreading but is sliding. bulba I was feeling weird about but honesty can't remember why. shadoweh seems oily to me but I'm not worried yet.

for scum my pool is singer, titus, mastin, gun to my head mayyyyyyyyyyybe oversoul but that'd take some work

this realist seriously needs explanation. Because you're scum pile consists of three tien players.

...tien? do you mean town? the last time I checked none of them had flipped, so you're talking out of your ass. being confirmed town doesn't make your reads infallible.

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I think pretty much everyone is in need of some form of ego check here.

NO I AM THE BEST AND MOST IMPORTANT PERSON OF THEM ALL

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I predict we're all going to look back on today and laugh

not sure at who, but I'm excited for the future

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hand and feet inside the wagon, gamma

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oh ffs.

never mind.

GAMMA I think UT would be a better vote than CDB.

siiiigh

why

being fferylt is butthurt anyone would dare to second guess her or her wonderful children's reads

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That said, the contradiction aspect of my post was only one part of it. I completely disproved your defense about moving your vote, and yet you don't address that?

1. you didn't disprove jack shit
2. I don't have to do anything you say
3. I answered the part that was wrong on an objective basis rather than just a misunderstanding of basic motivations and behaviors basis, since it seemed important to get that part cleared up for the rest of the audience

Well ok. I am a bit concerned about you limiting the lynch options to AD, Singer, Titus, UT, Espe. 2 you think are town, 1 null, 1 scum, and I don't actually know what you think of me since I was on Espe but you also hated my wagon but I'll assume not a hard scum hard. The point is you're advocating limiting to options in which you truly only believe 1/5 will flip scum. That at the least is counter intuitive to me despite the assertion that you think information wise we'd get the most out of lynching 1 of these 5.

well yeah, oversoul is just bullshitting and trying to get in good with titus and ffery for some stupid reason

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UT, Nacho feels like you're displaying an uncharacteristic level of hostility.

I've already ctrl+a+del about seven snarky responses to that

I don't know a way to respond to that which isn't unnecessarily rude

I'm trying to get in good by shitting on their play? Ok.
I only want UT's lynch, Dan. When you put it that way, yeah it does look shitty and illogical.
i think I should clarify that I am only limiting the options because we are so close to deadline and this day has largely been inefficient. If a lynch does land on one of those five, at least that restores some efficiency to the game. Yes UT death makes the game less efficient but I think he is scum and don't want another "let's settle and vote some random dude" lynch. The list also forestalls that type of activity so in general I think it is pro-town to do at a time like this

this is shitty and illogical and I am willing to admit that, but I'm gonna go ahead and do it anyway when we have actual options that aren't just a vanity wagon for me THAT I AM WILLING TO LYNCH is vote for a vanity wagon

@Nacho
How am I supposed to respond to this game in a way that isn't hostile. I've looked up "dumb" "terrible" and "scummy" in a dictionary but nothing's really jumping out at me as an adequate description for what I'm dealing with here

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unnecessarily and uncharacteristically are two extremely different points

and I had no problem with TSO dying because we needed a lynch and he was as good as anyone else on the table at the time. you calling me scum now has nothing to do with that at all?

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I hope for your sake that you're scum

because you should be embarrassed post-game if you aren't

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2. Sure you don't. But that isn't what a townie thinks. A townie who wants to accomplish something and work with other towns people would at least be trying to engage me in discussion. You're just telling me wrong I am wrong, not going into ANY depth at all to explain that opinion.

I just got done playing a game with a guy who spent literally the entire game hammering on about what The Right Way To Play Mafia is, and the scum intentionally kept him around all game because he just sparred with me and was fucking wrong the whole time while cozying up to the actual scum

this is really reminding me of this

I really don't feel like addressing anything in that gigantic pile of horseshit other than this point that you are asserting that I am scum because there is One True Path that the One True Townie must follow, and because I am not singing kum bay yah with you I have to be scum.

girl please

I don't have to engage with you. I don't have to answer your questions. I don't have to follow the trajectory you're asserting that all Good Pro Town Players Who Love Jesus follow. Sit on your useless vote on a stupid mislynch and feel an unwarranted sense of self satisfaction that probably won't even pass when I flip town at some point because you literally don't understand how you could be wrong.

or maybe you're just scum. either way.

I hope for your sake that you're scum

because you should be embarrassed post-game if you aren't

Nope. Just stubborn.

see. when you post things like this it makes me wonder why we're arguing.

Do your teammates have any opinions on this game by the way? You've said nothing on that front.

I keep asking and they keep saying "there's no goddamn way I'm reading that mess"

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but for you. because you know I love you, I will ask them again and quote that post and ask pretty please with extra special cherries on top.

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(see? I can work together with people!)

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I'm starting to get paranoid I'm being manipulated into fighting with other stubborn confrontational people so that we'll clutter up the thread and the scum can hide

who benefits from just sort of letting this happen and maybe egging it on? are all of us just on completely the wrong track?

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I'm really wanting to take a step back here:

I LIKE oversoul. I LIKE ffer, I RESPECT Titus (okay fine, fine, I like you too). Am I just trying to shake shit up because the gamestate is so obnoxious, or is someone pulling the strings here

unvote, vote singer

this really was a better vote imo from mah gut and I think I got distracted onto a Titus vote somehow by a combination of boredom and stircraziness.

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MANNA FROM GOD

SleepyKrew thinks they should post less and also be nicer to UT

...maybe they'll have more useful shit later

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UT, but your teammates are reading and giving opinions on other games they are not in? They are just flat out ignoring this game?

we're like, kind of commenting on each other's games, but mine is really getting the cold shoulder because of the length and nonsense

I'm not scum, bro, sorry to ruin your party

wrt to singer, imo with the ffery thing it looked more like nitpicking to try to find a "scumslip", not actual scumhunting. I can see how we're gonna disagree there, but that's just how it is.

I agree that my expectations of your play might be too high, maybe even completely out of line given your personality. I have opinions of "this is how a reasonable townie would act/play" and it is partly based off how I play. That might be the issue.

You and I have such vastly different playstyles, that when I see you playing and not doing "reasonable townie" things my mind goes red alert. But damn though, your play has never felt like you had conviction or desire to even root out the scum.

I'm not... sure... what you're saying... here.... Are you conflating personality and ABILITY? because it kind of seems like you're saying "I expected you to be better at mafia" then you're admitting you don't even fully understand what I'm doing. which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but maybe I'm just misreading

also my methods of scumhunting are going to be different from yours, and not designed to be me standing up on a hill with a big sign going I AM LOOKING FOR THE SCUM. HEY YOU. LET'S HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW I THINK YOU'RE SCUM

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so how does that mean your expectations where "too high"? what metric were you talking about

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if I had a nickel...

so, oversoul, which entry on the lazy susan lynch-o-matic choice machine strikes your fancy?

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We're still processing stuff, but are leaning toward CDB.

god I wish I had a vote.

I've actually kind of been seeing some potential buddying with me from CDB, in reading back through the game

I could do this

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Singer, whatever happened to your team's read on UT by the way?

I don't know! They've been calling for Shadoweh's blood and I've been resisting UT's read because his general insistence that we just need a lynch for information mirrored my own. Now that he's being suspected again I'm not really sure. i think my rteam has a reason that they're prioritizing Shadoweh and if she can't be lynched than maybe UT but I dunno?

UT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR TEAM'S THOUGHTS ON ME PLEASE AND THANK YOU I THINK YOU KNOW WHY.

...are you drunk?

also I can ask but... whatever let's just see what happens

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Check your role pm, it should list your partners, and if not, try your private topic.

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GUYSGUYSGUYS.

I think Titus is actually scum and that's AWESOME.

no singer, don't say this

I really want her to be town

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It's pretty obvious that I'm scumreading UT and Aronis pretty hard for instance. The former because UT has done jackshit. He still has despite "wanting me to be town". I don't care. If he wants to work with me, I need to see some dialogue that remotely resembles scumhunting.

quit the charade and vote me, then

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dat counterwagon

vote CDB

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6 hours

and you're trying to lynch mastin

is this real?