512: Bojack Horseman Season 2 (Over)

[Metal Sonic]

hi friends, can i in as sonic boom? so we can play with titus if you guys mind, thats fine too

[Metal Sonic]

Wisdom, I'm going to say this once and only once.

I told the mod I did not wish to play with you. I agreed to give it a go anyway. I will do my best to leave my personal feelings out of the game, but do not test my patience with stubborn pigheadedness. I'm bringing this up because I realize my feelings may be clouding my perception of your behavior, so I will try to keep it in check.
/ooc

MS. Where are you?

i like wisdom he's funny! hehe

oh and that post was like 3am. lawl. game started at 1.30 am

[Metal Sonic]

aww alright

[Metal Sonic]

i don't like metal sonic either. i think asking titus to replace into the game is more likely to be coming from him as scum than him as town because of how successful they generally are as scum and how much he enjoys spam posting as scum (they spent the majority of their recent scum game, we the purple, deliberately making a bunch of spam posts and shitting up the thread and i think he would really be looking forward to doing the same thing with her again).

thats rude as fuck

[Metal Sonic]

is that your first thought when i ask titus to play with me?

thats absolutely shallow and thats only 3 steps higher than what mollie insulted me with.



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in other news i would like to poke wisdom

VOTE: wisdom

[Metal Sonic]

i don't intend it to be rude, just i think it's something you'd be likely to do as scum and i don't understand why you would have waited until the game started to ask her

AP was like "2 hydras max but i may allow more depending on WOTC" so i just /inned first when i saw you+ETL+sthar and then pmed her on skype. wisdom hammered really quickly and AP was an unusually responsible and swift-action mod <3 and titus replied me when i was asleep and after the game started. i only saw her reply this morning.

my gut feel is that wisdom could be scum. 70% RVS, 20% "friendly gesture", 10% scumhunting

[Metal Sonic]

titus literally told me tht she hopes we don't roll scum, so yeah, no.

[Metal Sonic]

AP, can i quote/screenshot communications with titus that happened before this game started/before I saw my role PM? it is not mod-communications so it technically doesn't break a rule but it is kind of making me obvtown lol

[Metal Sonic]

also folks just a psa: i have 0 flavor knowledge at all.

[Metal Sonic]

also i have a light townread on etl

thought you guys would like to know

maybe

[Metal Sonic]

i am looking for specific reasoning. which of wisdom's posts did you have a problem with?

the back and forth between etl/wisdom in pages 2-3 are the most alignment indicative things that happened in this game




ps: apology accepted u___u i just love titus

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: ETL

wisdom voted ETL the first post of the game.

and he says that "it is not RVS"

so what could have possibly made wisdom "scumread" ETL at that period of time?

these two posts:

present.

lol

[Metal Sonic]

hi friends, can i in as sonic boom? so we can play with titus if you guys mind, thats fine too

please no

do you not like titus?

[Metal Sonic]

Besides ETL, the people I'm not liking are Polar and sthar. Everyone else can be town.

so why did you object like that?

i understand max 2 hydras, but the way you worded it suggests you dont like titus

[Metal Sonic]

what! thats a surprise! why not?

[Metal Sonic]

to be fair

you fight with everyone o___o

i'd just like to remember how well we worked with each other in Purple. of course, there's me, but she was also great!

[Metal Sonic]

in fact, we would have done pretty well as a 2 player scumteam. We could've been Pink, and wreck the rest of them from our tasty hydrates. OS was just a placebo dummy whom we only needed for the extra person/vote.

i would just like to tell you that ETL and Titus are absolutely lovable and nice people and it makes me sad that you don't like them

[Metal Sonic]

ah.


VOTE: polar bear

get out

[Metal Sonic]

i just iso'd polar. not liking what I see.


wisdom is still on my watchlist. fear not, valiant reader!

[Metal Sonic]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

i think that post could be town

the first few comments were pretty useless though

[Metal Sonic]

hai

[Metal Sonic]

vote polar cuz i dont agree with your ETL scumread

[Metal Sonic]

yes


sekai no ki is pieguy/fferyllt

[Metal Sonic]

Okay I'm just going to say it because I will look stupid and probably suspicious pushing ETL like this if I don't. I should have replaced out, and I am sorry that I didn't, but too late now.

See this? I made it because I caught ETL reading and replying to a private topic since we started confirming for this game and onwards.

timestamps please

[Metal Sonic]

wisdom is conftown

[Metal Sonic]

yeah if ETL is indeed scum this is cheating and AP's game is going to break

sadly its not wisdom's fault

[Metal Sonic]

tssssssssk

ETL has no ongoings?

[Metal Sonic]

AP, if this is true, i request that you reroll every1's rolecard

[Metal Sonic]

anyway i gotta run. i have no mobile data

[Metal Sonic]

If it were my game, I'd modkill you either way for attempting to cheat.

But I'll respect AP's decision either way.

It's not actually his fault, I don't think it's intentional cheating, like

There's a mirror that was built temporarily near the girls locker room and it just so happened that someone was changing directly in the line of sight and wisdom just accidentally noticed


Not a perfect analogy I know but yea I don't think mod kill is going to solve anything. Technically both wisdom and ETL slots need mod kill but then might as well restart

[Metal Sonic]

holy fuck lol wisdom I am spectating 3 ongoing games in the dead threads... lmfao

Wisdom is not cheating. Intentionally.

[Metal Sonic]

I'm going to wait for mod

[Metal Sonic]

ms knows that for a fact. pretty sure sthar does too.

Yeah I confirm that ETL has access to dead threads.

[Metal Sonic]

We need to policy lynch ETL.

[Metal Sonic]

Or we don't. I like ETL.



Wow but ETL's slot is compromised too >_>

[Metal Sonic]

alright yall, i know it's long but for reals read it. i'm here for a few hours and would like to talk to people.

I'm going to bed bby

Talk to yea tomorrow

[Metal Sonic]

firebringer is 99x more trolly and abrasive from my last game with him (he was scum and fooled tammara to pieces)



sthar8 is super top town

[Metal Sonic]

i am a cop. in order to remove all wifom from etl i am going to cop her tonight because otherwise she might have to be policy lynched.

[Metal Sonic]

there is also that i partially just wanted to warn everyone in advance that if he started posting a bunch of nonsense posts he was likely scum because i don't feel like dealing with that shit

thats why i particularly posted a bunch of nonsense posts as mason in your game lolol

[Metal Sonic]

why would i lie?

[Metal Sonic]

please name them.

i hope they are not stupid and invalid

[Metal Sonic]

so i am townreading firebringer now. okay.

[Metal Sonic]

If I'm NKed, do what we always do: continue scumhunting

[Metal Sonic]

So that everyone knows what's going on ^______^

[Metal Sonic]

what makes you so sure?

[Metal Sonic]

that doesn't mean you are confirmed ms. if you are scum you already know I'm town.

Are you saying that because you know she's town?

[Metal Sonic]

That's great! I'll investigate you instead!

[Metal Sonic]

are you male or female

[Metal Sonic]

is snowstorm male?

[Metal Sonic]

Is wingback a hydra or an alt?

[Metal Sonic]

sekai no ki I am not townreading

[Metal Sonic]

sekai no ki I am not townreading

I'm kinda deferring to pieguy on you, but I'm inclined to consider you not townreading town-me after our last few games as something resembling a scum claim from you.

You haven't even looked town yet. You know my standards for you are high.

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: kaboose

[Metal Sonic]

Didn't you explain everything already? I was adding a vote for comic effect

[Metal Sonic]

Yeah. You talk a lot about how kaboose is scum, and I come in, swinging my vote on him. For maximum oomph!

[Metal Sonic]

Walk the talk! Don't talk the walk!

[Metal Sonic]

Hi ETL!

I can't help but be affected by Wisdom's peeking of you reading a PT!

That's why he should have replaced out upon seeing damning Out-Of-Game information!

[Metal Sonic]

This reads like you wanted to vote the largest wagon, which it wasn't, and you'd know that if you weren't skimming. I also know you don't skim as town.

So was I skimming or was I not skimming? So was I voting the largest wagon or was I not voting the largest wagon?

[Metal Sonic]

How is it damning when I don't have a PT for this game and I DO have several PTs for several other games?

"when I don't have a PT for this game "


We don't know for sure! Are you saying "I'm town!" with different wording? We both know that it doesn't make a Role PM Town~

[Metal Sonic]

That's my point, MS. You can't find anything else to hang me with so you grab the only thing you can. You know getting rid of me is good for your team. I know you know it too.

Next time, I won't get rid of you... I'll get you to lynch town for me~!

[Metal Sonic]

MS... there's no contradiction there...?

When a person skims, they get an idea of where pushes are happening based on the conversation. But if you were really reading, you'd have seen no votes were made.

That says more about the Kaboose pushes than it does about me, don't you think? Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?

[Metal Sonic]

Kaboose wasn't the largest wagon. You thought he was based on where the herd was going. You voted, thinking you were adding to the largest wagon, hoping to get an easy lynch. Instead, you just showed me how you aren't even in touch with the game because you don't need to be, because you already know who town are.

p-edit: Scum bravado.

How can you justify your position, instead of "Metal Sonic was not skimming and he decided to start a new wagon since he knows that there were no votes on the player"?

[Metal Sonic]

That says more about the Kaboose pushes than it does about me, don't you think?

It tells me a lot about both of you. If you're scum, I think that almost guarantees Kaboose is not, and vice versa.

Lots of noise with no votes often indicates an actual scum wagon, BUT your behavior so far has been far more sketch than Kaboose's imo, and there are lot more points against you right now than against Kaboose.

My behavior is always sketch~

What makes it more sketch than the usual?

[Metal Sonic]

Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?

This is disingenuous considering they are a hydra and you know it often takes hydra more time to coordinate, especially if there is a definitive leader that one looks to for input more than the other, which is pretty clearly the case here. Whether they are town or scum doesn't change how that dynamic operates.

Right. So I helped them.

What makes you think that is "scum wanting an easy lynch" instead of "Town wanting to help one another"?

[Metal Sonic]

Kaboose wasn't the largest wagon. You thought he was based on where the herd was going. You voted, thinking you were adding to the largest wagon, hoping to get an easy lynch. Instead, you just showed me how you aren't even in touch with the game because you don't need to be, because you already know who town are.

p-edit: Scum bravado.

How can you justify your position, instead of "Metal Sonic was not skimming and he decided to start a new wagon since he knows that there were no votes on the player"?

Occam's razor. That makes no sense. I'm looking for cause/effect. Not "Here's a thing that's weird, let me make up a weirdo reason to justify it, rather than search for the actual reason."

There's the problem, you see. You need to explain how you reached the Occam's razor of "Metal Sonic was skimming and mistakenly thought that it was the largest wagon."

You're already making 2 assumptions:
1. Metal Sonic is skimming.
2. Metal Sonic is wants to vote the largest wagon.

And two more bonus:
3. Metal Sonic's action is scum-motivated
4. Metal Sonic-Scum feels that Kaboose is an easy lynch.


Are you applying Occam's Razor correctly?

[Metal Sonic]

Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?

This is disingenuous considering they are a hydra and you know it often takes hydra more time to coordinate, especially if there is a definitive leader that one looks to for input more than the other, which is pretty clearly the case here. Whether they are town or scum doesn't change how that dynamic operates.

Right. So I helped them.

What makes you think that is "scum wanting an easy lynch" instead of "Town wanting to help one another"?

The way you framed that question made it sound like you were trying to throw shade at them for it. Now you are saying you were trying to help them?

They probably forgot, so I helped them! ^________^

[Metal Sonic]

brb i have to take a shower

[Metal Sonic]

I can see you could have assumed it, but your last read on me was "not liking what I see here". When and why did your read change? What is your read on us now?

My read changed at the post when I asked if you were male. Your posting seemed townier and you looked like you were looking for scum genuinely. I think you are likely town at the moment.


ETL I'm back. Where are you?

[Metal Sonic]

Kaboose wasn't the largest wagon. You thought he was based on where the herd was going. You voted, thinking you were adding to the largest wagon, hoping to get an easy lynch. Instead, you just showed me how you aren't even in touch with the game because you don't need to be, because you already know who town are.

p-edit: Scum bravado.

How can you justify your position, instead of "Metal Sonic was not skimming and he decided to start a new wagon since he knows that there were no votes on the player"?

Occam's razor. That makes no sense. I'm looking for cause/effect. Not "Here's a thing that's weird, let me make up a weirdo reason to justify it, rather than search for the actual reason."

There's the problem, you see. You need to explain how you reached the Occam's razor of "Metal Sonic was skimming and mistakenly thought that it was the largest wagon."

You're already making 2 assumptions:
1. Metal Sonic is skimming.
2. Metal Sonic is wants to vote the largest wagon.

And two more bonus:
3. Metal Sonic's action is scum-motivated
4. Metal Sonic-Scum feels that Kaboose is an easy lynch.


Are you applying Occam's Razor correctly?

Here's how it occurred to me - I saw you make your vote and explain why when snowdra asked. The explanation sounded superficial to me, and I wanted to know why. So if you had another motive for placing your vote, what was it? In this game, there are two motives - town and scum. Town motive to place a vote should be based on suspicion and/or reaction gathering,

neither of which you indicated,

which means scum motivation, i.e. getting a town lynch as quickly as possible without being caught. So if that's true, why vote Kaboose over someone else? Like Firebringer (answer: because he's probably partner here). It must be because you thought that's where the vote needed to go. So how could you have missed that he had no votes? Must be because you've been skimming, which also supports the idea that it is scum motivation behind the vote, rather than town.

It is very easy to skim a thread and get a gist of where the town is moving. You thought the town was moving on Kaboose, you jumped.

p-edit: I'm at work.

Whoa there! Didn't you hear the saying "The absence of evidence does not equate to the evidence of absence"? How could you assume that because I "did not indicate" the "suspicion and/or reaction gathering", that means it is scum motivation? That sounds like a logical leap.

In a game, since players are statistically more likely to roll Town more than Scum, you are supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to a play if you "don't see indication of Town motivation"! Since this doesn't necessarily prove scum motivation, why are you assuming that this is the case?

Are you applying Occam's razor correctly?

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Scum motivation: "getting a town lynch as quickly as possible without being caught."

But that's none of the things that actually happened! Clearly, the evidence shows, that the vote was not able to "get a town lynch as quickly as possible", and I also "got caught". So that's not true at all!


Here's an analogy. B walks up to a girl in a bar and says, "Hi". You, upon seeing this, immediately call B out for "attempting to rape a minor". Your explanation is that "He was striking up conversation with a young girl whom he did not know", and "The girl is young and pretty", therefore, using your rule that "Men usually talk to young pretty girls in order to go to bed with them", you finally arrive at the aforementioned conclusion. None of your speculations, however, are supported by the evidence.


How can you justify your position?

I am trolling you.

[Metal Sonic]

byebye dearie~<3

enjoy your work, i'll go do some of mine

[Metal Sonic]

I really don't like how you're not my top townread.

[Metal Sonic]

I really don't like how you're not my top townread.

You're playing rhetorical games rather than scumhunting.

My rhetoric isn't actually that good, I'm practicing

[Metal Sonic]

Here's an analogy. B walks up to a girl in a bar and says, "Hi". You, upon seeing this, immediately call B out for "attempting to rape a minor". Your explanation is that "He was striking up conversation with a young girl whom he did not know", and "The girl is young and pretty", therefore, using your rule that "Men usually talk to young pretty girls in order to go to bed with them", you finally arrive at the aforementioned conclusion. None of your speculations, however, are supported by the evidence.

Except in your analogy you are assuming a false dichotomy, whereas in this situation, there is EITHER town motivation OR scum motivation. I ruled out town motivation as I did not see it. You then saying it is there whether you show it or not does nothing for me, unless I see it. The burden of proof is on you to show me that you are town if you are. The burden on me is to determine your alignment correctly. If you don't show it to me, whose fault is it that you are read one way or the other? Mine? Or yours? You are not exhibiting town signals. Therefore, I wonder why they are missing.

"I ruled out town motivation as I did not see it."

You can't say that you're using Occam's Razor if you rule things out

How did your post suddenly become a "Oh, it's your fault that you're acting scummy" post instead of how your read and explanation does not actually make sense according to the evidence?

[Metal Sonic]

In this game, you are either an angel or a demon.

A man in a bar is many things in between, but certainly never only angel or demon.

Well said.

Except you're missing the point of my analogy (since when was any analogy perfect?). You're pulling up a string of speculations from what cannot be justified by what has happened.

You say that my vote on Kaboose was to "get an easy lynch", but because I "was skimming", therefore it was a badly placed vote, and you caught me.

But, if it wasn't an easy lynch in the first place, how can you assume that I'm "skimming"?


"Oh, but it looks like he was

intending to!!!1111!!1!11111

"

[Metal Sonic]

A lot of people filling in their own blanks in this game and it's really annoying.

[Metal Sonic]

But if I did not skim?

[Metal Sonic]

Then I must have done it on purpose, right? Right!

[Metal Sonic]

im sorry you're being irritated


i will stop. tomorrow bby

[Metal Sonic]

"I was adding a vote for comic effect"


"Adding" onto the wallpost made by Polar Bear, ETL. -_____-

[Metal Sonic]

hibiwa ne koware yuku

SEKAI wa _____________


Fill in the blank!!!!

[Metal Sonic]

O wait ur not pie!!!!!


Hi ffery<3

[Metal Sonic]

on a scale of 1 - 10 how town are you?

[Metal Sonic]

Well that happened sort-of in your Gestalt game amirite?

[Metal Sonic]

Why do you always roll town ffery?

[Metal Sonic]

Damn I missed the crumb then

[Metal Sonic]

Right. it never happened. Distant and far from us.

[Metal Sonic]

A figment of our imagination. Detachment from reality

[Metal Sonic]

UNVOTE:

So kaboose is conftown

[Metal Sonic]

If I'm townreading kaboose, and I'm townreading sthar, and I'm townreading ffery, and I'm townreading ETL, and I'm townreading polar bears, and I'm townreading fire bringer, and I'm know I'm town,

Who is scum???

[Metal Sonic]

We'll how much is flavor alignment indicator?

I mean....Bojack could be evil right?
He has issues lol

I have no flavor knowledge. Is he a main character? Usually the guy in the title is town

[Metal Sonic]

If I'm townreading kaboose, and I'm townreading sthar, and I'm townreading ffery, and I'm townreading ETL, and I'm townreading polar bears, and I'm townreading fire bringer, and I'm know I'm town,

Who is scum???

Let me guess...

Vote: Metal Sonic.

No, I already said that I'm town, so that's the wrong guess!

[Metal Sonic]

i wouldnt worry about him too much. invincible ignorance and all that. you may not like him, but if he's always as superficial as his badmath he's gonna be super easy to read. plus you always want a player or two like him in a game when you're scum.

NOOOOOOOO NO WAY

firebringer managed to bring the fire on tammara. You know, Drama Queens? Tammy and Ms. Marangal? Ring a bell?

His lolabrasive tone is more indicative of town.

[Metal Sonic]

Until everyone looks obvtown

Then you must raise the bar

[Metal Sonic]

Yes we do! :>

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: wingback

This player is below the bar

[Metal Sonic]

You must post a funny picture. Like "Ka-POW" or something.

Otherwise they will scold you for "putting your vote randomly" or something old and cranky.

[Metal Sonic]

Firecrotch is actually kind of funny

[Metal Sonic]

Google fire crotch and use google images

[Metal Sonic]

That's just a suggestion. I didn't actually do that

[Metal Sonic]

Who do you think is the towniest player here? Why?

[Metal Sonic]

I'm definitely town even if I'm lying...

That didn't change much.

[Metal Sonic]

What has wingback done that is obvtown?

[Metal Sonic]

That's the problem. He

looks

like he's scumhunting. Is he?

[Metal Sonic]

If the read is "many words = town" then some reflecting must be done

[Metal Sonic]

ffery is easier to read than you

fortunately i have expertise for both of you?

[Metal Sonic]

What has wingback done that is obvtown?

this is a question

[Metal Sonic]

i will say that if he keeps posting the way he has been i won't have any problem with lynching him and if he flips town i won't give a shit because i know he can do a lot better than that. i'm also going to say that he claimed earlier that what i said about him asking titus to join the game was "only a few levels above what mollie insulted him with"; what he was referring to here was mollie claiming he was deliberately attempting to play to his scum meta as town, SOOOO yeah.

lol oops

ok i am kind of half trolling here admittedly but it is fun to play with you guys :p




pieguy on a scale of miyanaga teru to kuro matsumi, how town are you?

[Metal Sonic]

ffery is easier to read than you

fortunately i have expertise for both of you?

it is liberating to not be the head of the hydra everyone is relying on to read for a change

walk me through your sthar town read?

ehhhh most of his stuff looked good at the time of the posting. considering the level of his scumplay, it is actually *fakeable*, but i won't subject him to that level of scrutiny until much later

[Metal Sonic]

<3<3

then that makes me ako atarashi

[Metal Sonic]

how much do you know about how ms plays/thinks as scum vs. town? i think your assessment of his play is severely incorrect if you don't think he enjoys spam posting or that making a bunch of spam posts is something he often does as scum - this is even more so the case when he literally just got out of a game where he and titus (in-hydra) rolled scum and did that exact thing.

there is also that i partially just wanted to warn everyone in advance that if he started posting a bunch of nonsense posts he was likely scum because i don't feel like dealing with that shit

that said, i no longer think it's a thing now that he clarified he had asked her pregame. what do you make of him claiming it made him "obvtown" when he'd probably be honest about it even if he was scum here?

I am aware of his spammy tendencies. As scum he's doing it for carnival, as town he gets distracted by irrelevant things like dick-measuring.

Specifically I take issue with the "I want to play with a friend" bit being scummy. Even if he hadn't asked her until after he saw his PM, I don't think it would have been alignment indicative. Sonic has plenty of ego and confidence; there's no way he thinks he needs titus' help. It's much more likely that he wants titus in the game because he enjoys playing with her as either alignment.

specifically this one

[Metal Sonic]

[Metal Sonic]

don't sass me, i'm sun tzu

[Metal Sonic]

sadly i don't know my enemies

[Metal Sonic]

stay pretty bb

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: wingback

This player is below the bar

Uhh, Wingback is the bar.

Why didn't you vote him when you reached the conclusion that everyone else was town? (Right before I voted you).

I paused for dramatic effect.


BA-DUM-TSS!

[Metal Sonic]

Metal sonic is being modkilled for stealing my pagetop.

/s

BA-DUM-TSS!

[Metal Sonic]

<3

[Metal Sonic]

Correctly townreading you is easy when you roll town every single game I play with you ffery

[Metal Sonic]

I just wanted to see if you rolled scum for once

[Metal Sonic]

Well how should I address them then?

[Metal Sonic]

When was the last time we played? Forest fire? Fun game )



Aaaaaand hito was the one who actually did the obvtowning

[Metal Sonic]

I was town in both.

[Metal Sonic]

correct. and you were not town in FF10 or in the vanilla nightless (which felt like I was playing too because Nacho and I talked about both our games a lot, in real time). I"m comparing you here to those games as well as our most recent ones.

That's no fair!!

[Metal Sonic]

iiiiii don't get to talk to nacho in real time



You're pie now right?

[Metal Sonic]

622 and 623 were a burst of no caps posts

[Metal Sonic]

So for SEKAI no ki many words = town

[Metal Sonic]

pie you should interact with me instead of berating me for responding to ETL

maybe I will give you more helpful answers


Ffery is talking to me. Why aren't you?

[Metal Sonic]

Aaaaand you guys know that ETL's scum game is equal to or better than mine, right

So like, she needs to be scrutinized right

It's just that I counter her playstyle. Oh and I'm still waiting to become a concrete angel

[Metal Sonic]

Perhaps, that was the best tale of my ratiocination. If only we were Faster Than Light, if only we moved at the speed of sound... Then we'd be invincible, we'd be bulletproof, undefeatable!

[Metal Sonic]

In a time not very long Ago, lived a very Mad woman. Being one of the most senior english teachers at the University, Lisa was shaking uncontrollably when she forced to leave. Lisa was not able to believe the news... what has she done wrong? Educating her students with the works of shakespeare, edgar allen poe, and charles dickens was her joy and passion. The Pain of discrimination stung. Rumors have been spreading that the employment of jews were being terminated due to some matters of international significance -- some of them have already ran Out Of Food. But Lisa was old anyway, and she had a huge mansion to herself, so she felt rather safe despite the setbacks. She immersed herself in the adventures of C. Auguste Dupin and Sherlock Holmes, to attempt to fall into A Midsummer Night's Dream. But in the end, it ended in Tragedy, as her estate was seized and her books, taken.

[Metal Sonic]

if firebringer didnt kick ass in the other game as scum, i'd be reading him as town 100%


so right now im 95% sure fire is town

[Metal Sonic]

i am 85% sure that sekai is town

[Metal Sonic]

you stand there playing video games and wondering why the manager fired you

your analogy is wronger.

firebringer is not playing video games. he has a speech lisp and people are calling for the manager to fire him because you hate hearing his sound + he is "new on the block"



wait till he brings in the fire

then you will be fired

[Metal Sonic]

its a pun on fire by the way

ha hah a

[Metal Sonic]

Your hopes will come true

[Metal Sonic]

you stand there playing video games and wondering why the manager fired you

your analogy is wronger.

firebringer is not playing video games. he has a speech lisp and people are calling for the manager to fire him because you hate hearing his sound + he is "new on the block"



wait till he brings in the fire

then you will be fired

Hmm, I don't like this. At all. The joke is pretty funny actually, but it looks like he thinks firebringer is easy to manipulate and praises him in order to guarantee firebringer will listen to him after that. What do you think, sekai?

your analogy was objectively bad and the right move was to apologise and admit its shortcomings

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thats a good thing

[Metal Sonic]

who do you think is evil? i'm guessing now because i dont see anybody that is /obviously/ evil

[Metal Sonic]

pie you should interact with me instead of berating me for responding to ETL

maybe I will give you more helpful answers


Ffery is talking to me. Why aren't you?

hint: me asking you to give more details on your sthar read was an invitation to interact more

he's busy and relatively inactive. given my townreads growing on several other players, my strong town read on him previously is no longer holding any more. i am not sure enough to make a "case"



lets interact with this

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how much do you know about how ms plays/thinks as scum vs. town? i think your assessment of his play is severely incorrect if you don't think he enjoys spam posting or that making a bunch of spam posts is something he often does as scum - this is even more so the case when he literally just got out of a game where he and titus (in-hydra) rolled scum and did that exact thing.

there is also that i partially just wanted to warn everyone in advance that if he started posting a bunch of nonsense posts he was likely scum because i don't feel like dealing with that shit

that said, i no longer think it's a thing now that he clarified he had asked her pregame. what do you make of him claiming it made him "obvtown" when he'd probably be honest about it even if he was scum here?

I am aware of his spammy tendencies. As scum he's doing it for carnival, as town he gets distracted by irrelevant things like dick-measuring.

Specifically I take issue with the "I want to play with a friend" bit being scummy. Even if he hadn't asked her until after he saw his PM, I don't think it would have been alignment indicative. Sonic has plenty of ego and confidence; there's no way he thinks he needs titus' help. It's much more likely that he wants titus in the game because he enjoys playing with her as either alignment.

This post here strongly indicated town to me because it showed the trait of considering situation from other perspectives. As sthar is also familiar with me (I just didn't notice the senpai until after a few games), him putting in his two cents to wait for a bit and to read me reads as genuine scumhunting and assessment. I feel that if he were scum here, he'd just go "*nod nod nod* yeah MS looks like he's scumspamming" and keep the option of mislynching me open. Furthermore, since you're a self-proclaimed expert at reading me, he could easily get away with that.

Instead, he evaluated your argument and used his own personal knowledge of my meta, playstyle and personality to deliver an assessment of me and the gamestate. I find that comes from town IMO.

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can you walk me through your wingback read then?

Spoiler: i don't think i posted this one

Apparently this is a game with a good scumteam? I'm receiving various degrees of townvibes from every player, and it just so happens that Wingback isn't exactly hitting many of my Generic Town checklists™. I don't see what you guys are seeing that are "obvtown" from him. Lots of words but a lot of it is just talking about the game but not actually analysis or trying to find scum.

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p-edit: i kind of think he'd be able to fake it. in the team mafia game, he didn't seem to have any problem going out of his way to disagree with shit just for the sake of it - it also isn't difficult to be genuine about defending a town read when you're scum on a general level (which is something i've abused the fuck out of because no one seems to realize it). i like your explanation, though.

Yeah, I know that. I've explained this here:

ffery is easier to read than you

fortunately i have expertise for both of you?

it is liberating to not be the head of the hydra everyone is relying on to read for a change

walk me through your sthar town read?

ehhhh most of his stuff looked good at the time of the posting. considering the level of his scumplay, it is actually *fakeable*, but i won't subject him to that level of scrutiny until much later

Spoiler:

Is that just a Saki Movie clip with future orbit as the background? I know this because it's a fripside song and Fripside is apparently my favorite Japanese band<3

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Spoiler: for pie. note: NSFW

kKfay22QoKs

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Spoiler: for pie. note: NSFW

of course i mistag off-topic content and making an extra post to compensate

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i want to reread wingback when i get a chance to but i don't remember what i've read of his posts coming off in that way. i think when it's not 4 am i'll sit down and try to elaborate more in-depth on stuff from him that i liked

in the meantime, *if* for argument's sake the mod suddenly declared wingback was an innocent child, what town reads would you want to reevaluate?

Spoiler:

i don't actually know the song title. i just went and tried to find a bunch of mads in preparation for the achiga game and then i didn't get to use about half of them because the game ended so quickly. :< fwiw, someone posted in the comment the name was Infinite Orbit.

I'll just add him to the top of my townreads and push everybody down a slot. Like I've mentioned, I don't have a *definite* scumread on someone, otherwise you'd see me go hyper like I did in Saki (and was unfortunately wrong momentarily). In essence, *everyone* gets re-evaluated

Spoiler: spoiler1

Right. Infinite Orbit. I keep mixing up the name with Future Gazer derp. There was Misaka on the PV. I don't know where it went, though.

This is the source MV the link you posted in the Saki thread

Spoiler: spoiler2

I dunno, it's just merely NSFW Movie Clip, not really against site rules I don't think (there's no revealing of *organs*). You can just play it in the background and not watch the PV! ^__^

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always here for you bby (at this time only)

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must I be on your town list to have a conversation with you?

if you don't wanna talk then I'll have dinner anyway *shrug*

[Metal Sonic]

can I not manipulate you when I'm on your town list?

How do I get the lovely ETL to put me on her town list then?

[Metal Sonic]

i'm not telling you how to get me to town read you.

okay.... playing hard to get huh?

do you know how to get me to town read you?

[Metal Sonic]

it makes me sad when I am ignored

sthar!!!!'

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I've already explained the same question to pieguy. Maybe you are lazy to look it up. Let me show you the sparknotes version

1) he is not giving me town vibes

2) everyone is giving me town vibes

3) I must suspect 2 people or something


So that is why he is a suspect

[Metal Sonic]

you mean like this?

[Metal Sonic]

woohoo! accidental pagetop!

let's have a checkpoint

Town

Metal Sonic
Kaboose (Only because Claim)
Firebringer
Sekai no Ki
sthar8
Polar Vortex
EspeciallyTheLies
Wingback

[Metal Sonic]

how do you "know" i am "scum"?

[Metal Sonic]

but i could say the same for you?

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you'd see that his ISO is full of bullshit, and attempts to dismiss valid arguments.

how is his "bullshit" scum motivated? many of the things he has said look town motivated to me.


PS: of course BoP applies to me. and i'm saying that firebringer is town.

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On the bright side.

Town just got information. Will be helpful for night actions.

On the bright side.

Town just got information. Will be helpful for night actions.

Yeaaaaaah, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Yes, town got info but so did scum... And for them knowing the cop is like 100% more important

You just admitted that town got more info.

Stop going against everything I say.

I said "on brightside"
Obviously it would be better if evil didn't know our PR.

This ain't my first rodeo.

Why are you predicting power roles?

what scum player says this?

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Nope, I am right. You are wrong.

You literally just asked me to follow group thinking. Yeah, no. If I agreed sure, but I don't.

what scum player says this?

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ETL, have you played with firebringer before? I've mentioned time tht he kicked tammy+mara's ass in another game. I replaced tammy+mara and sheeped their read, my ass was consequently kicked as well.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62603

he's better as scum than this.

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read this:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=62415

[Metal Sonic]

saying "but he's playing too badly to be scum" is such a terrible cop out...??? especially if he's your partner?

the argument applies to me too, dearie

and no, he obviously isnt my partner

[Metal Sonic]

Can we stop arguing with MS and just lynch him?

no you cant. go sit in the corner SS

[Metal Sonic]

if you havent watched this already you should

[Metal Sonic]

if EVEN ETL isnt voting me with you, you have issues

[Metal Sonic]

My weakest townread(so by default a scumread) would be Sonic, so I'm ok with Snowstorm's vote there.

But that "I don't get town vibes post" from Sonic is weak. Like can you point some posts where you get bad vibes from.

lol you're doing the exact same thing.

replace "Sonic" with "Wingback"

im sure you don't need me to explain that same thing

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yea ok so im not having any problems with you? just by PoE you're just my 3rd least townread though

[Metal Sonic]

gee thanks ETL I was about to type something nasty to SS

<3

[Metal Sonic]

he's playing this worse than wisdom. That's a fact. Good thing bearbert is in the hydra, I like bearbert now

[Metal Sonic]

but nothing points at me being scum? what are you talking about?

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but nothing points at me being scum? what are you talking about?

For starters, your "laugh-in-your face scum attitude". Then there are your terrible reads, your bad vote, your chit chat spam...


It's pretty sad looking at that vote count and thinking the only good vote there is ours. Come on town.

So the grass is orange, your nose is blue, and Orlando is bigger than China, and that makes me scum.

Yeah, anybody on earth can knows that's bullshit.

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I am going to cop you tonight polar bears like I promised earlier

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So if you are scum you better shoot me before I instagib you

[Metal Sonic]

I'm Detectivr Polar from the North Pole

[Metal Sonic]

You have no credibility as a scumhunter and we are all superior to you

[Metal Sonic]

Oops. Too harsh?

Well, at least im honest

[Metal Sonic]

lol

[Metal Sonic]

Lying and spotting liars is psychology, fire.

[Metal Sonic]

Oh.


Sthar you naughty no context

[Metal Sonic]

Clearly non native english speaker, probably from European region. Not sure how this is related to the game, sthar

[Metal Sonic]

Okay all of those are assumptions lol


Asking questions is good for clarification! ^_____^

[Metal Sonic]

Do you actually write these profiles down or remember them in your head?

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VOTE: fire

please answer him and help him to townread you

[Metal Sonic]

did jingle tell you about how i caught his scummy butt in the mafia dating game show? he considered it a personal victory if he could have gotten me lynched together, but he knew the game was over

[Metal Sonic]

also sthar

what did you study in college/uni and what do you work as now

[Metal Sonic]

actually we do, liars is not equivalent to scum

We don't let SCUM slide, ever, you should say

[Metal Sonic]

not all scum are liars, and not all liars are scum.

This is basic

[Metal Sonic]

That depends on how bad or good the scum player is. And it depends on what you count as a "lie". I've won a scum game by claiming my scum role and all and nobody batted an eyelid

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if you want to lynch me that bad then maybe tomorrow you should claim cop and claim you have a guilty on me.


then be blacklisted as I flip town

Then be un blacklisted if you flip scum?

[Metal Sonic]

That's what I thought. You should have played with that a while longer

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no, you must claim cop first before you can do that.

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: wingback

fire please answer sthar's questions. he is my friend. thanks.

[Metal Sonic]

they arent really personally invasive imo but that just my opinion

hi ffery!

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: Sthar.

Firsts.

omgus

VOTE: polar vortex

[Metal Sonic]

Bunch of stuff last night will catch up later

[Metal Sonic]

I have meta with kaboose. We won a perfect game as scum in a 15 page game. 12p/3 scum

[Metal Sonic]

We did?

Grey flag nightless. Kick towns ass

[Metal Sonic]

I'm gonna catch up now

Spoiler: hi pie

today we had Japanese high school girls come to my school and we interacted with them and some of my classmates could speak Japanese so they had a fruitful conversation while I am illiterate

[Metal Sonic]

I see what you are seeing. No lynch is fine from my PoV now but the other people don't like it and maybe they need to discuss more

[Metal Sonic]

I know fully damn well why firebringer wants a no lynch and I am going to push it as a viable option if nobody scum slips later until day end

[Metal Sonic]

actually, no, I didn't remember that. Only when you brought it up and pointed it to me in organic chemistry then I remembered.