Mini 1723: Town of Helen Day 4

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I'm m lurking this one out

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Booooooo

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Prod received

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SilverWolf (3): Boonskiies, Titus, Aristophanes

This is the result of half a scum slip accusation

Congrats people

Congrats

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VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Lol that won't work

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@Rob, Are you an Aspie?

No, but my brother and two cousins have autism, and that personal attack is entirely uncalled for. I'm stepping away from this thread for a bit. Users have been banned for using that slur before.

Titus isn't trying to say you're acting stupid and therefore autistic she just feels like she understands individuals with aspergers better when she knows they have it

I know butting in is bad etc etc but that one was important

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I didn't like the abrupt change.

Just as an FYI, throwing around my vote is very much in my meta. As town, it's my strongest and often only power, and I intend to use it wisely. As scum, I'm aware of my town meta and replicate it. If you look into my games, you'll find this is very much a null tell for me.

By your own admission your meta is out of date

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VOTE: Aristophanes

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Rob vote is shit

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So in other words just ignore boon's vote until he stops being dumb

I can do that

Ari still scum

20x100 may be scum. To much trolling

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@Flubber: It's foolish to ignore something that we know. That's not using everything in the town's toolbox.

You think it's worth digging into the wifom and i dont

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That's a flubbernugget tell, not a scum tell for him. At least from what I remember a year ago.

Was this the newbie you modded?

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And I'll get you the troll posts when I need something to procrastinate doing assembly work

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Granted, I haven't played with Flubbernugget before, but how long are you going to maintain "that's just a Flubbernugget tell?" It still doesn't make him town.

No, it doesn't. It makes him null. In every game I've played with him, he hasn't been very useful.

@Flubber: It was multiple games; I don't remember exactly which ones. It's been a year. I do read games that I don't play in sometimes, so it may even be a game I wasn't in. My memory isn't good enough to recall exactly which ones I'm drawing this meta from.

So how are we supposed to read Flubber at all? Wait for power roles to pick up the slack?

As a rule of thumb if you have a null read on me I'm town and if I'm scum I've already been lynched or crosskilled

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Granted, I haven't played with Flubbernugget before, but how long are you going to maintain "that's just a Flubbernugget tell?" It still doesn't make him town.

No, it doesn't. It makes him null. In every game I've played with him, he hasn't been very useful.

@Flubber: It was multiple games; I don't remember exactly which ones. It's been a year. I do read games that I don't play in sometimes, so it may even be a game I wasn't in. My memory isn't good enough to recall exactly which ones I'm drawing this meta from.

So how are we supposed to read Flubber at all? Wait for power roles to pick up the slack?

As a rule of thumb if you have a null read on me I'm town and if I'm scum I've already been lynched or crosskilled

That gives you every reason to lurk and not help out...

My point is when I'm scum I get pegged very quickly (barring micros)

You should know this???

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My biggest scum read on aristo is his weak sheep of the SW wagon which I hated before it was even a wagon

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My reading comprehension is too weak to constantly parse guilty lion's walls so the fact that he's not getting much of a spotlight leads me to believe he is town

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Spoiler: a wall of shitposts

My CON is very FIRM

-head 2

Dammit I don't have time to read this another head needs to do it

TITUS: do you like papaya? how do you like it prepared?

srs

Well head 2 has gotten carried away, reading up.
Bet seriously, how do you like your papayas?
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Why is Titus scum, 1?

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I HAVE ARRIVED

-HEAD 3, YOUR LORD AND KING

I'm here to moer seriously talk.

Hadhsfam; nskab :jsjskagag

We should e lynching titus

This is head 1 by the way.

Suppose I'll meta dive him then.

Well I can definetly say I'm not ika so you can always chat wiyh me.
Our heads rmenain ananymous,
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Well I can definetly say I'm not ika so you can always chat wiyh me.
Our heads rmenain ananymous,
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IMPOSTER! YOU ARE NOT HEAD 3!

BOW BEFORE ME, OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!

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/confirm

I think I've got some insight into the flavor. It says Helen was picturesque. It also says one could go there for a "nice taste" Lastly, it apparently has some historical anals. Helen is obviously a big slut.

DID YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS GAME SO YOU COULD MAKE THAT JOKE

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I AM ACTUALLY NOT IKA THOUGH

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It was an assumption based on the fact that we've played a lot of games together

Come to think of it you've never seen my scum game

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I never said I was active as scum

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What comes to mind was a blatant scumslip of having three of my scumreads in the same claimed neigborhood

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You're arguing theory with me but its disguised as examples and fluffing up the thread.

Gimme a gl case

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My reading comprehension is too weak to constantly parse guilty lion's walls so the fact that he's not getting much of a spotlight leads me to believe he is town

This is the most frustrating post to me since I think he's scum and I want him to get scrutinized.

gimme the gl case

Aris is scum

20x100 is probably scum

rob is town

sw is town

you are probably town

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I want to know why titus thinks guilty lion is scum

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Err I'm not talking past you I didn't catch that as a hydra slip

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His thought processes check out against your accusations

Sorry

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: 20x100

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VOTE: 20x100

Yeah, still need actual words from you. 20/100 is the closest you have come to actual words on any sort of read. But why didn't you vote then?

I scum read all the posts I spoilered

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Reasons?

You because they're fluff with a hint of "we're scumhunting I promise we'll have something to show soon" with nothing to show

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if you're calling him scum you think he's going to trade a buddy for you?

and pull this off with Prolapsed Brain^(TM) levels of activity?

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the irony of getting ninja'd by someone you accuse of being inactive....

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Prodge

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I hope to catch up today

On first glance I see flavor being mentioned still and would like to note that flavor hunting is a good way to look like your scumhunting without actually scumhunting

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Wg's town.

You're probably scum

And thus begins my catch up

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Who the heck is Delenn?

Anyway, I need a lot more participation from several others this game cuz it's pretty ridiculous how many are simply not playing.

ASP needs to replace out and stop signing up for games he has no time for. It's fucking annoying.

Boon should step it up. Pista, Vedith, need to as well.

PB is still scum. I'm thinking Titus is as well. Hieirama looks a lot like coasting scum just making shallow comments, not voting, and playing it safe. These are where my 3 scumreads are as of right now.

wgeurts last posts look good and make sense to me as town motivated so I'm willing to drop the scumread I had on that spot for now

Ari's a miller and seems o.k.

Fine with Rob, GL, Flubber-leaning town on all of them for now.

With the exception of me these reads are too proportional to post count

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I don't like the guts case on Titus

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This question just comes out of the middle of nowhere, and I could see scum asking this publicly (even though they already know the answer) just to try and look pro-town. There really was nothing else in the post even hinting about flavor (save for the earlier discussion of flavor-claiming). Just reinforces my read.

This is bullshit since fakeclaims were a genuine part of discussion at the time, worthless or not

I might understand where sw's reads list is coming from

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That's fair. I can't be analyzed if I don't vote.

We aren't close to a lynch, so I will.

VOTE: 20x100

This is why you don't tell someone they need to vote for personal purposes

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*personal VCA purposes

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Reminder: I'm allergic to Drama.

Scum

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How is PB escaping the rope? They've been, simply put, nothing but scummy this game. They're labeling large portions of the game as "drama" in an attempt to avoid dealing with them or interacting with anyone.

The 20x100 wagon took off and I think a lot of lurkers are on it for the sake of it being a popular wagon

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The 20x100 wagon leaves an incredibly bad taste in my mouth. It's made up almost entirely of people who have not contributed substantially, some of which are surely pushing the main wagon to escape scrutiny. That counts Flubber, PB, Boon, and to a much lesser degree pista. ASP as well is clearly setting up a move onto this wagon in 670. Titus has her own reasons to wish to escape scrutiny at the moment if scum as well. When a wagon is being pushed by a group that consists of a combination of every major scum read from all players in the game, it virtually guarantees scum is on it.

Meanwhile, the Titus wagon consists of Vedith (a town read for me), 20x100 (formerly a scum read, more null after recent contributions), and SW (a town read). Vedith and SW have no reason to vote Titus to escape scrutiny. SW would probably benefit as scum from voting anyone

but

Titus.

I have no confidence in this wagon based on the people that make it up. Absolutely zero.

I think PB was scumreading you?

Whoever is scum reading you needs to comment on how scum makes a post like this

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Meanwhile, the wagon on 20/100 is growing because he's actually scum who has been caught?

There's still a lot of "let's get this game rolling" pressure on the wagon and it hasn't really developed from there

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I'm still liking 20x100 for scum but they're probably a wagon worth pursuing at a later time

We'll see what changes in later pages

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*scumslip should say scum flip

I was gonna say, when did I miss that!? Lol

Alright, that settles it.
VOTE: 20x100

Now can I ask for a claim from them?

Also, my v/la for the weekend is fast approaching. I'll do my best to be on though.

This waffling does not give me town vibes

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@Ari, That's a scummy mindset. We remove the scum, such as 20 who are fueling the feud then the feud will end naturally or SW will be outed as scum.

Sometimes fueds that are T v T are pushed by sum, particularly if they can lurk and get away with it.

I really really don't like that you're aware of such a phenomenon yet continue to argue with sw that she's scum as much as you are

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Here's Vedith's ISO. First one, he's playing dumb on the whole SK v scum debate to fuel SW.
Second, he's again just rehashing in 89 to state he doesn't get it and to cause more time there.

How you can scum read anyone for pushing sw's buttons is baffling

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-pistachi0n makes an amazing point in 546 - let's all remember this, everyone. It'll be important later.

Let's not induce wifom paranoia come end game

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20x100's continued Titus tunnel is giving me filler vibes

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I don't like the guts case on Titus

Who's making a gut case?

I call wgeurts guts for autocorrect purposes

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@Rob13, Look at FF7. Piegyn thought I was 100% scum, ranted all about it. She was totally wrong. I attacked her for it mercilessly. She too stretched the truth to have me lynched although I think she might believe it. I don't know. You an ask me to do the same thing and expect me to get different results? That's insane.

This isn't true. I looked at that game and Pieguyn was townreading you.

Um WHAT

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VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

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20 still scum bit this is more scum

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Meanwhile, the wagon on 20/100 is growing because he's actually scum who has been caught?

There's still a lot of "let's get this game rolling" pressure on the wagon and it hasn't really developed from there

That's just wrong.

That was the majority of my vote

The tunnel on you is scummy but meh

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20 still scum bit this is more scum

Can we just stay on the scum we agree on? Thanks.

10 days is not when we start compromise lynches

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Titus is looking at the game from two perspectives which is pretty town but her actions still aren't 100% lining up with her thought processes

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20 still scum bit this is more scum

Can we just stay on the scum we agree on? Thanks.

Why are you pushing a quick lynch with 10 days left?

Scum read intensifying.

It's not a quick lynch with the amount of resistance shown and a lot of town reads/reasoning on it.

There's no rule that says you have to use X deadline when you have caught scum.

Errr the resistance is what helped give pause to the wagon?

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@titus rob has better explained what I'm trying to get at here^^

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20 still scum bit this is more scum

Can we just stay on the scum we agree on? Thanks.

Why are you pushing a quick lynch with 10 days left?

Scum read intensifying.

It's not a quick lynch with the amount of resistance shown and a lot of town reads/reasoning on it.

There's no rule that says you have to use X deadline when you have caught scum.

Errr the resistance is what helped give pause to the wagon?

Huh?

I should have said lack of resistance. The lurkers hopping on gave people pause

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How is PB escaping the rope? They've been, simply put, nothing but scummy this game. They're labeling large portions of the game as "drama" in an attempt to avoid dealing with them or interacting with anyone.

The 20x100 wagon took off and I think a lot of lurkers are on it for the sake of it being a popular wagon

So you are against the wagon? Because you then say you think I'm scum.

Are the lurkers wrong or right?

Went from scum to null because of the wagon

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I'm still liking 20x100 for scum but they're probably a wagon worth pursuing at a later time

We'll see what changes in later pages

"I think this player is scum but I won't push them because reasons."

And what does "We'll see what changes in later pages" mean? Are you expecting someone to claim scum?

There's a difference between not pushing and not wagoning

And I wasn't expecting a scum claim but of course anything is possible

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There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

WHAT?

What

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VOTE: vonflare

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VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

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VOTE: vonflare

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Why vote both. Which do you think is scummier?
What was the point of doing these posts consecutively with no stated reasoning?

Picking up from yesterday. Forgot about pb till shortly after

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And yeah two cops in the setup (one of which is confirmed unlimited) doesn't balance because of one miller

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Who Knows What's In My File: You've gone into the darkest dens and the seediest dives searching for proof. Unfortunately, you've gone into the darkest dens and the seediest dives. You're certain that anyone looking into your past will think you're involved in just about anything they're looking for.

So there's several millers if I'm reading this right

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This is some bullshit like the investigations in dingus mafia isn't it

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Wait no

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Ari, I don't understand your question? I investigated Titus as my night action and found out she is not town.

Did you get "not town" or "guilty"

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Miller Cop? I call bullshit.

Why on earth would there be the possibility of a miller

theme

in a

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game in the

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queue

I have no idea why man

I have no idea why

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Flubber - I got "not town". Which is weird because my role pm said I would get 'guilty' results.

I'm not sure if this means vote titus or means you fucked up a fakeclaim

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Look at the setup. You being unpressured makes you perfect for this gambit

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Willing to lynch Titus to test the claim. If scumbussing, nice gambit. Will sort later when the time comes.

First instinct is that its not a bus

If it is a bus I'll explain why when I see it

If it's not a bus I'll probably forget why I wrote this post

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I'm not sure if this means vote titus or means you fucked up a fakeclaim

vote Titus. It probably means Jingle is just lazy, I got my investigation result PM a minute after I got my Day 2 start PM.

Seriously why would I make this up? If I were scum, I'd get a mislynch on Titus today and then immediately get lynched the next day, I see no reason why scum!me would do that when I've been relatively unpressured this whole game. If Titus and I were scumpartners, there'd be no need to bus immediately on D2 when it's currently 7v3.

Have you ever played with Jingle before?

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Look at the setup. You being unpressured makes you perfect for this gambit

Errr disregard this

Idea was that titus gets lynched and then scum janitors them and then gl goes "oops it was another miller" but I checked the wiki and janitor only applies to nk's

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@Flubber - No, I haven't.

His play almost entirely revolves around setup cracking. A player that plays like this isn't lazy with their pm's

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I want to sleep on it

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Do you know exactly how many millers there are or something

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VOTE: titus

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Do you know exactly how many millers there are or something

I haven't said word one about millers.

There's no way town has 2 investigators.

Okay, why not?

Balance. Town has two cops, there's a vig. Impossible for scum to win.

By N1, town in 60+ plus of scenarios would have 4 clears or a guilty and two clears making the game near impossible.

Okay so you know the alignment of the vig (and that its not a sk)

And you know the sanity of these cops

And you know that there isn't a further clusterfuck within the miller claims and flipped miller we have

And you figured this all out how?

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@GL, If Boonskiies was a miller, the mod would have included Miller in the flip. Otherwise, Boonskiies role PM is a lie. And if his role PM is a lie, everything is a lie.

You would have to be largely worthless to be balanced.

That is a huge logical leap saying "implied Miller is lying" and jingles disclaimer about role pm's being inaccurate is most likely in reference to the janitor role.

Ive played a non bastard game with jingle where he gave me a night action without appending a full role name to it

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I don't know alignment of the second killer. For my purposes, it could be either.

FMPOV, claiming a guilty while being insane should be noted upfront. Also Boonskiies had no sanity warning. Sanity is not likely an issue. Also an insane thing would explain but is not consistent.

Further clusterfuck within millers *eyeroll* there's not even proof of a single miller. People point to boonskiies but he didn't claim miller or flip it.

So you're changing the goal posts - - "oh it doesn't have to be a vig you know what I mean guys"

Who notes a cop's own sanity in their role pm? Kinda defeats the purpose of sanity does it not? Also a better explanation to" I can't guarantee accurate role pm's" than saying everything is a lie

And I've already covered the Miller part but you're the lynch for today so I'm not even sure why I'm still talking to you

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Hurry up and get your votes in before the ate wears off

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IT HASN'T WORN OFF GET YOUR VOTES IN

YES THAT MEANS YOU TOO MOTHERFUCKER

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We need to know apparently.
Is there a line in your pm that says something about seedy pasts or looking incriminate if people look at you or anything along those lines?

I'd check right now, but apparently there's something glitching out about my PMs right now, sorry. Off the top of my head, I don't THINK so, but I could be wrong; I think mine more mentioned that others may be out to get me if they knew the truth. But again, really, really, godawful horrible memory here; I'll get back to you as soon as my PMs are working again.

Check your pms in Firefox so you can stop being scum

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We need to know apparently.
Is there a line in your pm that says something about seedy pasts or looking incriminate if people look at you or anything along those lines?

I'd check right now, but apparently there's something glitching out about my PMs right now, sorry. Off the top of my head, I don't THINK so, but I could be wrong; I think mine more mentioned that others may be out to get me if they knew the truth. But again, really, really, godawful horrible memory here; I'll get back to you as soon as my PMs are working again.

Check your pms in Firefox so you can stop being scum

Hm. Firefox mobile was working fine but on desktop it crashed

My bad

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Aaaaaaand mobile is down too

PM's worked fine this morning. Meh

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Ari kill makes more sense to me coming from a vig than scum.

Why

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Also someone tried to roleblock me

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VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

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Tomorrow I will iso you because I don't remember that being a concern of yours

Today I will wonder how I can take more time to write this post than it would to iso you and still not have the energy to iso you

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Jingles prods always make me feel warm and fuzzy inside

I'm at school all day today so reading this game will be my procrastination from the research project I'm way over my head with

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Betcha pb is fleeing under pressure of being scum

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Oh i thought I had like 5 pages to read

Well I dont mind lynching the pb slot

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wait really

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Errr he was an alt

Holy shit that's not actually funny I'm sorry

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VOTE: vonflare

Barring fakeclaims there are also at least three millers in play

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Boonskiies flipped Miller cop and gl had a guilty on Titus

So there's one confirmed Miller and the presence of two cops makes those claims to be more likely true

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Boonskiies flipped Miller cop and gl had a guilty on Titus

So there's one confirmed Miller and the presence of two cops makes those claims to be more likely true

who claimed miller?

Gl and Aristophanes

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cop and a miller iirc

when they check in they can probably confirm my memory

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Ew I page topped this page and still got prodded

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Woah good xatch

Time to iso pistachion

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Oh I forgot, cult's not possible.

Lol she had to do this twice for her to get caught

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Oh yeah pistachion

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Actually this may or may not be a good catch

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Hey guilty you're an outed cop

Why are you still alive

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Also 4 days to deadline slackers

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I also find it way too convenient that you investigated the dead player. Lynching Titus could've been a hardbus, and it wouldn't surprise me, considering we already had one cop flip, and considering you weren't killed night two.

Your circumstances show the best time *not* to bus

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Was von a cw to pis or vice versa?

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Hm. I would expect a gambit like that to be really aggressive on gl's part and that's not there

But I'm still suspicious about the "not town" vs "guilty" thing

Gahhhh wifom get it away

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How am I conftown

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I'm assuming sk

Would a therapist of any sort like to claim

Either that or some weird sk cult combo

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In this case, at least one role has a preset method by which their alignment may change, which they will be notified of. I will not lie to you about your alignment.

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That's the point

I didn't know

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I've had no reason to suspect gl this game + his claim makes sense

That leaves pis and vedith

I'm concerned about re-reading or running iso's because of the alignment change

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Now tell me why my play was scummy

Because right now your flavor cracking sucks

What does "consistent with what he told us" even mean? That he claimed cop? Why is flavor claiming town? (I don't remember that happening either way tbh)

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No. Explain.

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So unless you want to make a scum case on an un cc'd cop and explain how there's two scum in a 4p situation you're still making no fucking sense

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What? I never said there are 2 scum. I said there is 1 scum. And it is you.

The problem is that if you actually apply the logic you're trying to apply to your flavor cracking instead of just saying you are you would realize that there would be 2 scum w/ four players and the game hasn't been called and therefore your theory is wrong

@GL what's stopping me right now from voting pist is that I never has a strong read on vedith and he's doing nothing to change that. Between these two who has your suspicion?

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What the fuck does someone really have to fucking claim bomb right now for like no fucking reason seriously

I'm not going to be able to Crack this game with my current workload

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I mean that's saying a lot because I fucking rock at mafia BUT STILL

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Vedith it took you roughly a week to counter claim pistachio

What the fuck

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So vedith

When anyone visits you they die

How do you not notice they claimed to have visited you and are still alive

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The more I look at vedith the more defensive his claim looks

VOTE: vedith

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I can confirm pist is correct about my flavor