SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Zulfy]

I was speaking hypothetically, about a situation where two players argue without knowing the others alignment (like, freaking obviously) and both end up being town. How could you even think otherwise?

Hey Hi I believe this.

[Zulfy]

Reading the thread backwards.
Hi Klingon, Hi Skybird. Nice to see you again.


Telling ya right now I'm not reading the whole thing, just the scraps I need to get into this party at night

[Zulfy]

Throwing out my scumpinging for this game. It would be way too overwhelming.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: DGB

[Zulfy]

Albert you are flooding

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

MC: Drixx

[Zulfy]

Albert you forgot to tell me to sit down.

Did you know I was already sitting?

Skybird-ABR seems enamored with his own persona, for me the best remedy here is to ignore him.

[Zulfy]

ABR is sure trying hard to derail a wagon on someone he's got no read on.

Not sure I buy the capsrage either.

fos:sensei

What didn't you like about this?

[Zulfy]

MC:

Sensei

VOTE: Drunken Pirates

[Zulfy]

Such transparate intrigue, Rampage

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Albert Rampage

Anti town regardless of his alignment

[Zulfy]

Thanks for the defense/attack piratas, but you are still scum

Along with ABR who you are going to keep around forever and ever, and let him flood this shit until everyone literally drowns

[Zulfy]

Join the ABR wagon people

[Zulfy]

An ABR lynch

[Zulfy]

Explain to me why not

[Zulfy]

Its just this gigantic bottle of wine and Id rather spill it now rather than later

[Zulfy]

I'll sheep mafia for now though

VOTE: cool dog

[Zulfy]

Who are all the hydras?

[Zulfy]

Yall ever read Orson Scott Card? When I was little I read this one book by him and there's this part where Enders all like "Your family life is shit, girl. I can tell because I am, like, not at all emotionally attached to anything going on at all I committed a genocide"

Thats me right now, and both ABR and the pirates are scum.

Mollie I am 20 how young is that?

[Zulfy]

So yea hatboy the reason for my sheeping my scumread is because there is no uh, solution outside of sheeping scum. Imagine I did my very best to

A)come up with titanic reads
B)convince yall of those reads

That is impossible with

Spoiler: this shit going on

My plan is to wait for the egos to simmer down, play along with them in the meantime, later I can be an tangible contribution to this thing

[Zulfy]

Thanks Drixx that one

[Zulfy]

Yosarian you are being disingenous you should know "catching up" is impossible at the moment

[Zulfy]

BS reason for joining a wagon too

[Zulfy]

Jajajaja thanks piratería

"The two lessons, those of Hercules and Ender, are virtually identical: dislocate the enemy by refusing to play to his strengths"

How fitting

[Zulfy]

Pirates*

[Zulfy]

But it seems like your reads are just making less and less sense as time goes on. I mean, did you actually just say that Mollie and ABR are scum together, or was that a joke?

Is that some sort of newbscum bait?

A scumread on the two is how I am going to approach this game for now.

I have been skimming and stuff. Activity will improve

[Zulfy]

Ive never been moved by theatrics, Yosarian.

The friction could be caused by disagreements on where to steer the scumteam,

[Zulfy]

A scum ABR can be lynched in a day or two and still win. Drawing attention is not automatically townie

[Zulfy]

TODO: Check Fluminator
TODO: Check Yosarian
TODO: Check KlingonCelt

I will probably do the above things

[Zulfy]

No. Zulfy is probably Sensei's mason partner, the other one in Rylai's PM (shes like a mason traitor or something). Whatever, scum know if I know,

are you for real?

and if he draws the kill from Sensei all of us will rejoice as one.

So damn transparent

[Zulfy]

If we do end up pivoting on me and I flip green (or whatever this is) dont let the pirates cash in on that

[Zulfy]

Today I will do what I said I would do yesterday and a venn diagram to boot.

[Zulfy]

Cooldog, I am a dreaming god, self inventor. I could have lynched you by myself page 1.

Woaaaaa

[Zulfy]

Wtf does "I'm blue" mean?

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
that's scum right here folks

[Zulfy]

Errands, hope to be back tonight.
UNVOTE:
Sensei can do whatever he wants it seems.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: itlepip

Parking that shit here until the venn diagram

[Zulfy]

Town got a role pm with a blue background, i.e. scumslip from itlepip

[Zulfy]

You keep declaring lynch candidates as impossible but you're scum see, so I don't really have a reason to believe you.

But yea enough mafia right now I have to take care of things.

[Zulfy]

The dam has broken

[Zulfy]

Is that a thing. Flash fire huh

I feel like the frog

[Zulfy]

mc:sensei

[Zulfy]

Shadow block itlepip

[Zulfy]

^probably is

[Zulfy]

Then why keep you alive?

[Zulfy]

Oh damn she went to sleep

[Zulfy]

Hey Zulfy what happens if that first shot wasn't real

Oh? That's fine.

Mine wasn't real either.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Albert

[Zulfy]

After reading done speakeasy posts, I'm very confident Zulfy is a troll account which is annoying.

I feel like this is against the rules

[Zulfy]

Also Flum, I crumbed.

[Zulfy]

I feel like the frog

[Zulfy]

[Zulfy]

A lot of this discussion can be resolved tomorrow. Best to just finish this now.

VOTE: MaxwellPuckett

It's all functionally the same anyways

Was Max going to try and spin his role as some sort of townie power?

He did not want to get lynched, I feel. Yosarian is probably right.

[Zulfy]

Pip, youre a vig and an RB?

[Zulfy]

holy shit how does anyone think that anyone other than me killed Diamond then?

also you are welcome sensei.

Nobody said that?
Also how did you not kill Klingon?

[Zulfy]

I am not scumreading Klingon.
Pip targeted Klingon. Klingon didnt die. I am asking how Klingon didnt die

[Zulfy]

Can you explain what your move with the shadow block was?

A feint/joke

[Zulfy]

Zulfy because scum within the party is much worse than scum outside the party.

But Diamond was an Sk, isnt that "outside the party"?

[Zulfy]

It wasnt you

[Zulfy]

Nah I just wanted him to fill me in

[Zulfy]

Dont fill up the paces with this back-and-forth, please

[Zulfy]

Im not in a hood with the guy, guy

[Zulfy]

¿Where are you getting this?

[Zulfy]

Im not understanding

[Zulfy]

Zulfy who are your town reads right now?

Sensei, Yosarian, Drixx

[Zulfy]

And rylailina

[Zulfy]

You do understand that even though it unlocked his powers, that the town lynching Max was VERY good for the town, and that Max going unlynched until later in the game would have been VERY VERY bad for the town, right? If a 1-shot unlynchable unkillable scum gets to endgame without being lynched at least once, town just autoloses.

In the contexto of this game maxwell would never have gone to lylo.

His point stands

[Zulfy]

You do understand that even though it unlocked his powers, that the town lynching Max was VERY good for the town, and that Max going unlynched until later in the game would have been VERY VERY bad for the town, right? If a 1-shot unlynchable unkillable scum gets to endgame without being lynched at least once, town just autoloses.

In the context of this game maxwell would never have gone to lylo.

His point stands

Yos

[Zulfy]

I got these fists

[Zulfy]

Skybird I mean I am ready to beat these guys up.

Primarily Yos

[Zulfy]

No just fakevigging her

[Zulfy]

Grr

[Zulfy]

The pirates you sensei and cooldog were all pushing him

[Zulfy]

Why didnt you?

[Zulfy]

Pretty sure Im catching Yosscum here

[Zulfy]

Why didnt you?

Why didn't I...suspect Max before I started to suspect Max? What?

Yes. That's exactly what I am asking. Why didn't you suspect max earlier?

[Zulfy]

Klingon, Sensei, Drix and ZX for townleans.

YosStop, ABR, DGB and Fluminator for scumleans.

Everyone else has been an afterthought.

[Zulfy]

Oh and Pirates for scumlean

[Zulfy]

If Max watched that exchange, and came away with the idea that somehow DGB was being scummy, or that ZXXX looked better then DGB did, then either Max wasn't really following very closely, or Max isn't really scumhunting, at least not with their gut.

I mean, maybe ZXXX is just being a terribad newb who's struggling with a large game and it's not really alignment indicative, that's still possible, but he clearly came off looking way, way worse then DGB in that exchange. If Max didn't see that, then that means Max is significantly more likely to be scum.

[Zulfy]

I didn't start pushing Max until after Albert did.

[Zulfy]

There's no reason to think Max "wouldn't have gotten to lynch or lose". He wasn't in any real danger of being lynched until Albert started attacking him.

You implied ABR's push influenced yours. It didn't.

Max would never have made it to lylo

[Zulfy]

Uh. Are you seriously trying to use Albert's attempt to lynch scum as evidence against him here?

Yes!

[Zulfy]

The pirates are female. Do not forget.

[Zulfy]

What a weird interaction for 3 scum.

One isn't.

Pedit: Let me think about that.

[Zulfy]

SO MUCH to wade through uuuuugh

[Zulfy]

Rescinding my scumlean read on Yos.

Yos is good.

[Zulfy]

Yos is town

[Zulfy]

I dont think so, seems pretty straightorward that his role was townie.

Check his reads

[Zulfy]

This is like the season finale of lost

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Gale

[Zulfy]

Im going to hit you

[Zulfy]

mc: sensei

[Zulfy]

mc: fluminator

[Zulfy]

VOTE: DrunkenPirates

[Zulfy]

This game has been absolutely nits

Pedit:

[Zulfy]

Who dies now B?

[Zulfy]

From my stand up in the volcano

[Zulfy]

It's no big secret that SaGa Frontier is an unbalanced game with some 'broken' exploits and glitches in it.

[Zulfy]

Yes Im hated today

[Zulfy]

He's clearly claiming that he controls the fire vote.

Oh nooo

[Zulfy]

Read the day 3 opening, pip

[Zulfy]

It wasnt.

20 people is too many, Varsoon.

[Zulfy]

I am good at hitting things?
Only on adventures tho.

Vainilla townie otherwise

[Zulfy]

My hatedness only lasts a day

[Zulfy]

I am Liza

[Zulfy]

I can punch good

[Zulfy]

Im not scum, sensei.

My flip will be uneventful, but go ahead

Pedit:how

[Zulfy]

Cuz the hatred is temporary

[Zulfy]

My neck dont matter. I can't get to lylo

[Zulfy]

Liza's a PC, mang.

I deserve better than fists

[Zulfy]

VOTE: skybird

Ok

[Zulfy]

I would suggest we have Sky roleblock+hatred Zulfy tonight. He's already claimed VT, so if he's telling the truth the roleblock doesn't matter, and another day of temp-hatred wouldn't do any harm to him.

Scum can easily not kill someone for a night

[Zulfy]

Here are my crumbs

Im going to hit you

I got these fists

[Zulfy]

Dripping goofball is also VT.

Pay attention folks.

Shingrow Palace sponsors a Masked Martial Artist Tournament once a year.

Pedit:No I guess, not really

[Zulfy]

Hey so can I go on an adventure tonight?

Got all the first techniques. Idk what that means but its probably useful, no?

[Zulfy]

Hey so can I go on an adventure tonight?

Got all the fist techniques. Idk what that means but its probably useful, no?

[Zulfy]

@ Yos, yep.

@pirate, day 2 tho

[Zulfy]

No idea. That's all I was told. I begin the game with every fist technique

[Zulfy]

I'm not getting the logic there, Frozen

[Zulfy]

Can you show me these signs?

Pedit: Whaaaaaaa

I thought it was like for fighting monsters on adventures or something. Shiiiit.

Now what?

[Zulfy]

But do me a favor and please don't do anything to screw with votes. We really do not need any more of that.

Mm-hmm

[Zulfy]

I can kill Skybird right now.

I never asked for all this powah

[Zulfy]

Nope

[Zulfy]

Cuz I wanna party

Pedit: Yos/Zulfy scum confirmed.

[Zulfy]

He's saying if I was scum I woulda used

Suplex:

or something already

[Zulfy]

Lemme at em Yos

Who can I punch?

[Zulfy]

We could get a double lynch you know

[Zulfy]

If Im reading things correctly my fists recharge after a day?

[Zulfy]

FIRE needs to be identified

[Zulfy]

MC: Zulfy

[Zulfy]

You want these fists to last folks. I can karate us into victory.

Zulfy for MC, 2016

[Zulfy]

Fire could be voting itself

Scum-aligned makes most sense

[Zulfy]

How the heck does Zulfy know that DGB is a VT?

Hissss

[Zulfy]

I just want to say, I am considering replacing out, I am totally overwhelmed by this game's mechanics. My role is lame and passive and that doesn't motivate me to figure things out. You all have really exciting roles with lots of detail and maybe that can help you get some bearings on how the game might work, and how you might influence it. I got nothin'. I have pretty much been sheeping for 75 pages.

[Zulfy]

I dont *know*, but thats what they has claimed

[Zulfy]

I got all these rechargable fist techniques, pa-pow. Vote me as MC or I get night killed.

Will be phone following today, busy.

[Zulfy]

Should I punch Cerb? Should I kick him in the jaw?

[Zulfy]

Why did your hydra suspect I was liza?

[Zulfy]

I didnt see what r and l posted about liza until Klingon showed it.
As soon as we figure out the strategy here Ima fuck everyone up.

That should clear me Klingon.

[Zulfy]

With my fists

Im confused about everyones roles so

[Zulfy]

Everyone else:

How do all of you feel about DrippingGoofball, Lowkey, and Skybird, and why?

Id like to lynch skybird

[Zulfy]

Klingoncelt - Double voter
The Cool Cucumbers (wgeurts & cerberus v666) - Third Party Tree Stumper
Drunken Pirates (Titus & Pirate Mollie) - Becomes indestructable with 10 players left
Drixx - Starts as MC
Zulfy - Access to first fist technique (maybe)
Rylai and Lina (Shiro & Frozen Angel) - Miller
Skybird - RB Hater
Albert B. Rampage - Doctor
DrippingGoofball - Unknown weak ability
Yosarian2 - Unknown weak abilities when collecting rings
Lowkey (Lowell & Hinduragi) - Unknown weak ability
Fluminator - Gains abilities when hammering
Sensei - Double votes two players at once
ZZZX - 1-shot rolecop, 1-shot watcher

CooLDoG - Starts with first Sword Technique, 1-shot doctor, later gains vote freeze, roleblock, triple voter, day vig
ErrantParabola - Commuter
MaxwellPuckett - 1-shot Unlynchable, later gains Unblockable Strongman and 5-person Roleblocker
Diamond Sentinel - Unlynchable Night Ascetic Serial Killer
Gale Wing Srock - Roleblocker & Permanent Hater
Itlepip - Roleblocker & Temporary Hater, later gained non-consecutive cycle day/night kill
Spifflop - Can gain double vote, scumkill, mass town/party bulletproof, reflexive kill if blocked or targeted to be killed

Thanks

Everyone keep your votes still so I can make sense on what I'ma do.

This is my last day alive

[Zulfy]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Fuck you Cerb

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Cerb

SLIDING

: Cucumbers

SUPLEX

: Cucumbers

BABEL CRUMBLE

: Cucumbers

GIANT SWING:

Cucumbers

DREAM SUPER COMBO

: Albert Fucking Rampage

[Zulfy]

Doubt it works but fuck it.

[Zulfy]

Follow the plan, TCC.

This is why I wanted us to lynch before Zulfy got back and did something stupid.

We all had a plan. My powers were to be democratically decided. You screwed it up. Get rid of this putz

[Zulfy]

TCC made a cogent point so it makes sense to be cautious. One day of not getting a "soul power" almost certainly won't be a loss condition for us. By the way ... am I the only one creeped out that Flum is basically taking people's souls to gain power? It's probably NAI due to the flavor of the game, but still creepy.

In saga that's exactly what the mystics do.

*waves at Mollie*

Do you still want team mafia gogurts or do you insist on shunning your pet shark?
~wgeurts

I don't trust you.

you are following whatever abr dictates.

and you just hammered before zulfy did his thing which works to YOUR benefit not town's. and abr helped you do that.

you are constantly posting out of your hydra despite being warned. this is why hydras have a bad reputation and are mot allowed in games.

you fix all of these and we will see. cos I love team!mafia gogurts thats why I tried to keep town from lynching you.

This is the first post I read coming into the thread and the one that set me off. You all figure out what you want.

@Yos, I know you told me not to. I'll admit this was way too impulsive but I never thought town would do this to me. Before the hammer it was L1, before that it was L2, it should have never gotten to that. In any case I apologize

[Zulfy]

In any case if this is twilight anyway I don't know what happens next.

If my powers do activate this is your shot to boot ABR. Please take it.
If by some miracle I survive to tomorrow I'll stick to the script so long as you don't do this to me again, town.

[Zulfy]

You don't get to talk like that. Your hammer was absolute bollocks.

[Zulfy]

Straight up zika and chikungunya put together, that hammer.

[Zulfy]

I didn't even fucking do the vote and argued forever.

Token resistance bs.

No regrets. You tried to muffle me and I reacted.
Pedit: not according to the drunken pirates. It took two days for this to happen, if the situation is volatile people need to calm the hell down. Too much ego in this game.

[Zulfy]

We still had a week. I don't even wanna read how the hell town spazzed like that cuz I know it'll give me gonorrhea.

I'm too pissed right now to have a productive discussion.

[Zulfy]

ABR there was no indication I would do anything like this. Your argument is absolute shit.

[Zulfy]

And I wasn't going to. I was perfectly content taking all options into consideration and only using the techniques with the most utility. You panicked seeing that your lynchbait was Liza lookin ass and somehow led town into a g-dang hammer.


@TO TOWN: GET RID OF THIS GUY

[Zulfy]

People really need to work on their playstyle's backbone if someone's teasing can change your vote. Have some mfing personality folks

[Zulfy]

Drunken why did you say Cerb hammered?

Pedit: Goddamn right.

[Zulfy]

In twilight thread can be locked at any moment. I read the pirates' post and immediately took a course of action.

This is what happens when you fuck Liza over.

Pedit; Then obviously you lynch the pirates. Simple.

[Zulfy]

Give me some time to read the darn thread tho Cucumber, I mean like I can't be on it 24/7

Pedit: Which is why if my actions go through you lynch him. Varsoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

[Zulfy]

Get in here

[Zulfy]

Just gotta reiterate

People really need to work on their playstyle's backbone if someone's teasing can change your vote. Have some mfing personality folks

[Zulfy]

Give me some time to read the darn thread tho Cucumber, I mean like I can't be on it 24/7

Your criticism would be valid if I hadnt arrived to find twilight. This was not at all what I was planning for today. I had no option but to spite the ones who screwed me over before the thread was locked.

The fact that its yet yo be locked is irrelevant, I had no way of knowing how much time I had to do something.

@All yall hiding behind the "I got pressured into this oops :'(" I hope you are scum with a shitty excuse cuz otherwise... Thats just perplexing as hell

[Zulfy]

Zulfy is not actually confirmed by Shiro. Shiro gave out the name before Zulfy claimed it. Just saying.

Doesnt really matter but:

Havent been counterclaimed

Didnt see that post until kc pointed it out.

Crumbed day 2 before there was really any pressure on me

[Zulfy]

My role Card is short af. Varsoon was getting impatient I imagine

[Zulfy]

Pirates you need to answer the questions

Why did you lie about who hammered?

[Zulfy]

Can I get a consensus here that if zulfy uses his powers again without discussion with the town, we're going to lynch him?

This is extremely self evident. No need to uh, whatever the word is.

[Zulfy]

Grandstand. The word is grandstand

[Zulfy]

I dont have these powers if Im not liza.

Read the wiki

[Zulfy]

Dream súper combo is one shot btw

[Zulfy]

This is all assuming I am alive tomorrow.

[Zulfy]

I reject your premise.

This wont happen again tho.

[Zulfy]

You're really desperate for a mandate huh Cerb

[Zulfy]

This is great news.

This is what happens, ABR. You were desperate to have my powers wasted but theyll end up lynching you.

Cucumbers are rbed, can't vote.
Neither can ABR.
VOTE: ABR

[Zulfy]

I promise to never ever use my powers again unless town is in agreement. With ABR's shenanigans out of the picture I dont have to worry about getting screwed over again

[Zulfy]

Scum is so salty rn

[Zulfy]

If Varsoon doesn't do the right thing, you will be the one dying today Zulfy. In what delusional world are you living in that you think you can do what you did and then manage to survive it?

In the world where hes shown himself go be the more antitown player and Im confirmed town babyyyy

[Zulfy]

Im just waitin for the protown bloc to arrive

[Zulfy]

You wont lynch confirmed town, brother

[Zulfy]

3 more votes on ABR :3

Pedit: nope. This situation will never happen again because we are lynching him. This never would have happened if he hadnt lobbied for the hammer. I RBd the stumper, already promised to not use my powers undemocratically. Complain all u want but Im not getting lynched

[Zulfy]

And I am confirmed town. I'm LIZA, everything points to that.

[Zulfy]

Lol hes not a doctor

[Zulfy]

Easy with the insults boys

[Zulfy]

Tcc can't do shit lowkey. Pay attention

[Zulfy]

Are you FIRE? Whats this talk on hammering?

[Zulfy]

Its literally me or ABR.

You can all justify a lynch on liza however you want, that Im a loose cannon/anti town/whatever bs you wanna make up, but voting me is voting for a town player with great town utility.

Im done with ABR either way. Either he is out or I am.

Ive explained all of my actions today, you can be willfully ignorant but you can't claim a lynch on me is pro town.

[Zulfy]

And I shout that geurts is fake
And you shoulda seen the look on your face
And I guess that's what it takes
When comparing your belly aches

[Zulfy]

I recharge everyday guy

[Zulfy]

I already swore an oath to follow the constitution, so don't worry

[Zulfy]

I didn't know how this role worked until today
Pedit: all others are one-shot per day.

[Zulfy]

I'm not impulsive.

I know that if you keep repeating it it sounds more credible, but I'm not impulsive.

Put yourself in my shoes in the situation that I was in during faux-twilight.

I'm not impulsive. Maybe if I repeat it too I can dispel that notion.

Pedit: No more dream combos, only tear combos

[Zulfy]

(No actual tear combos, just a spin on that sloth gif)

[Zulfy]

Double lynch Sky and a second candidate. KC/Cucumbers/etc. Wasn't really sure who it was gonna be but I was confident town would figure it out.

[Zulfy]

In any case I apologized and have promised to not do it again.
Take me back girl

[Zulfy]

DP you did lie. Fluminator is not a hydra. It's clear you were talking about cucumbers when you said they hammered.

Obviously not tryna pin the blame of this fiasco on you, it's all me, but something to keep in mind for tomorrow.

The pirates are liars.

[Zulfy]

Cerb has said I am not to be trusted because I didn't read the thread well.

Nobody has time for that Cerb.

Pedit:

I

was waiting for

y'all

to set that up. I couldn't use my abilities if I didn't know who were the lynchees.

Next thing I know tho there was a hammer and I figured I'd be NKed seeing as I claimed Liza. So I whooped ass. Now we're here.

[Zulfy]

How'd the test go Flum?

[Zulfy]

Pedit: I was waiting for y'all to set that up. I couldn't use my abilities if I didn't know who the lynchees were

EBWOQ, apologies for the godawful grammar

Pedit: I wasn't really expecting them too, it was a middle finger.

[Zulfy]

Expecting them to*

[Zulfy]

Yep. This is an internet forum and you have time to fiddle with BBC code before hitting submit.

Pedit: Love you too

[Zulfy]

14 and a half hours of doing other things how dare I

[Zulfy]

Good night everyone.

Cerb you gotta put the cool back in that cucumber

[Zulfy]

I see
UNVOTE: ABR

Pedit: emotional theatrics aside you misrepped cucumber

[Zulfy]

Also I literally cackled at the notion that I might be a statusquo alt