Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[ChurchOfMercy]

First!

VOTE: SeshatX

Nice to meet you.

Kelbris - Can hydra's member names be added to the playerlist, please?

[ChurchOfMercy]

ABR, get in here and help me kill some newbs.

Klingon here, not ABR, but yeah, that was bad.

VOTE: KTthecreeper


OceanWind's defense of KT is pretty scumtastic.

[ChurchOfMercy]

ABR, get in here and help me kill some newbs.

LOL!!

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Fuck this isn't following my town meta

Quick I need more votes on me, or I'll be scumread late game for not being pressured enough!

You should try scumhunting more.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I skimmed.

I'm supportive of Ollie and think he's town.

I haven't seen Ocean do anything scummy, but I didn't read page 4-6.

I haven't read any Imp posts at all yet. They're good players. I'll iso them later.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Quick I need more votes on me, or I'll be scumread late game for not being pressured enough!

Ocean if you don't vote for me I'm going to death tunnel you

Just vote me for fucks sakes

God fucking dammit no one's voting me

Ignore it, maybe it will replace out.

[ChurchOfMercy]

^ klingonchick^

[ChurchOfMercy]

So, re-reading everyone's ISO's, ...

ChurchOfMercy is probably my best bet for mafia right now. Very minimal posting with no serious content. I've followed I think two or three games by now containing Albert B. Rampage and he always has more passion as town.
...

ABR isn't the only head in this hydra, y'know...

I'm much harder to read because my play's all over the place.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I'm starting to see the Ollie case, if for no other reason than his growing frustration that no one else is voting for obvtown killthestory like he wants us to. And yes, Ollie, I do normally sheep ABR. Because it's fun. You got a problem?

I have new leader now, though, and his name is killthestory. Obvtown. VOTE: CoM I tend to think team CoM would be having a little more fun were they down. I'm getting a bit of the deflated-after-receiving-scum-role vibe from them. Which I feel is especially pronounced in hydras.

How is Kill obvtown? Obvtroll, yes. There's been how much work from that slot? None.

I was sorta over-committed with the games, I was in 8. I'm down to 6 now, so I can focus better.

As Scum I'd be making lots more noise from the get-go.

[ChurchOfMercy]

down = town

.... OR DOES IT!??!?!

We're Town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

SeshatX - Null, inactive
KainTepes - Null, inactive

Bloody, I thought I was seeing things with these two in the vote count. Inactive is an understatement.

Sheshat has only 1 post, where he /inned for this game. Looks like a siteflake.

Kain, on the other hand, has been pretty active elsewhere on the site today.

VOTE: KainTepes

[ChurchOfMercy]

ChurchOfMercy is probably my best bet for mafia right now. Very minimal posting with no serious content. I've followed I think two or three games by now containing Albert B. Rampage and he always has more passion as town.

I agree with this.

Vote: ChurchOfMercy

I also disliked their blatant Lowell sheep + attacking you for offering a different viewpoint; it seems more likely to me that Klingon was just taking sides than actually reading Lowell's case as super-duper solid and your defense as scum defending scum; ABR's "I support Ollie and think he's town" also felt a little slimy to me, but that's far less significant than their lack of engagement in general.

You guys, I'm known for being useless Day1, NAI. I'm more of a Day3 player.

As for ABR, he's not very active in the hydra so far, what you're seeing is almost entirely me.

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is a natural human tendency, which is probably why Church would make a move like this.

I don't know about ABR, but I don't do a lot of buddying in either alignment.

[ChurchOfMercy]

you're hoping for me to replace out because i've found your entire scum team

now stop bitching about my skills

If you have skills, please start using them. This hydra isn't Scum.

Bellaphant probably is.

[ChurchOfMercy]

n o y o u ' r e n o t c h i l d

i've clearly found you as scum here

I'm old enough to be yer granny.

And the Church isn't Scum.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Nice self meta scum, don't think that can help you here.
Nice discred scum, don't think that can help you here.
Nice AtE scum, don't think that can help you here.
Nice self read scum, don't think that can help you here.

You're more than welcome to go to my main profile and ISO everything.

And I do self-meta, it's my thing. My Town and Scum games were splitting apart, good if I was Town and an easy read, bad if I was Scum and an easy read. I've been working to play a more generic style.

I don't do AtE, btw. When you get to be my age it's not a good look.

Should this come to our flip, I want the Townies to pay attention to the wagon's construction phase. Bellaphant's almost certainly Scum, but she's not acting alone.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Lack of engagement isn't scummy.

My attention is mostly focused on dating right now

Mafia is falling to the wayside

I will coordinate with Klingon in our PT and offer my thoughts and criticisms. If you all want to gang up on us before we get a footing, that's your right of course. You can win without us, I believe in you.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Why is potentially being more interested in other ongoing games not as good of an excuse as being more interested in dating sites?

There's no site.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Scum: Imperium, killthestory, +1 more

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

dude im literally too good.

church youre getting lynched today you scumlords

And when we flip you'll be all like "ooops, my bad, but they looked so scummy!!!!!" trying to look all Towny-like.

You need to work on your Scum gameplay.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Lack of engagement isn't scummy.

Hold on a second...

Kain, on the other hand, has been pretty active elsewhere on the site today.

VOTE: KainTepesVOTE:

Why is potentially being more interested in other ongoing games not as good of an excuse as being more interested in dating sites?

Because both of our heads posted here and Kain didn't.

Both our heads posted in other games as well.

I even posted on 2 other sites.

Apples and oranges.

Klingoncelt

[ChurchOfMercy]

Just putting a marker down that KT is scum still. I know we moved on to more interesting players, but nothing he's done has made up for his ridiculous panic-flailing at getting his first vote. In fact all he's done is hide.

Also, scumvibes on bella. Very much looks like a player who just wants to look like s/he's interacting--asking and answering pointless questions.

I'm glad someone else noticed those two.

[ChurchOfMercy]

You guys, I'm known for being useless Day1, NAI. I'm more of a Day3 player.

Nope nope nope nope nope nope …

Kain, on the other hand, has been pretty active elsewhere on the site today.

VOTE: KainTepes

If you have skills, please start using them. This hydra isn't Scum.

Bellaphant probably is.

So lack of engagement with the game isn’t a scum-tell. Yet you are voting Kain solely on that factor since he hasn’t posted here.

And you are calling Bella scum while not voting for her …

VOTE: ChurchofMercyVOTE:

dude im literally too good.

church youre getting lynched today you scumlords

It would help if you’d vote for them again then Kill …

Yep yep yep yep yep yep ... ISO me.

Have you played any games with Kain? There's a difference between lack of engagement and not bothering to show up at all.

"And you are calling Bella scum while not voting for her …"

Be-cause ... we ... are ... vo-ting ... for ... Kain. Derp.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Lack of engagement isn't scummy.

My attention is mostly focused on dating right now

Mafia is falling to the wayside

I will coordinate with Klingon in our PT and offer my thoughts and criticisms. If you all want to gang up on us before we get a footing, that's your right of course. You can win without us, I believe in you.

Albert

Big co-ordinated reads list of everyone please.

I don't do wallposts, ever. You'll get what you get.

Klingoncelt

[ChurchOfMercy]

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Lack of engagement isn't scummy.

It's actually one of the most ridiculously accurate tells I've seen - a fairly significant percentage of mafia players tend to be much more active and involved as town than as mafia.

Saying "I'm useless D1" isn't an excuse. Everyone's reads get better as the game progresses but that doesn't mean we don't try on D1.

This is pretty much my style. I'm sorry that you're too lazy to go to my profile and ISO me.

You're pretty clearly equating post count with townieness, and that says that you're either Scum trying to make a phony case on me, or that you don't know the difference between a low-volume poster and a lurker.

[ChurchOfMercy]

What the hell is a backfoot?

I think it's a boxing or fencing term where one opponent is advancing and pushing the other back, the other is moving backwards and his weight is now on the back (or rear-placed) foot.

[ChurchOfMercy]

kill pls, you're only voting them because they haven't announced their scum reads

yes

Actually I have pointed out some scumreads.

You guys are shit at paying attention.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Happy Birthday, Bellaphant!

[ChurchOfMercy]

Why are you voting Kain you complete weapon!?

Weapon?

wtf, is this some alternate universe with back feet and weapons?

I voted Kain for non-appearance. Problem?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Let me make a correction...

VOTE: Jim

There, fixed.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I'll be back.

Lunch first, then I'll do the reads list.

[ChurchOfMercy]

oh man great scum list b r o

i rest my case here that i am the greatest scumhunter of all time

you cant even catch 1

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

I am fine with a ChurchOfMercy lynch today.

I'm diffident about whether to read through for other scumreads as well before seeing the flip.

Yeah, nothing scummy about that little attitude.

It would be in your best interests to give some reason for your choice.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I am fine with a ChurchOfMercy lynch today.

I'm diffident about whether to read through for other scumreads as well before seeing the flip.

Yeah, nothing scummy about that little attitude.

It would be in your best interests to give some reason for your choice.

Klingoncelt

[ChurchOfMercy]

Oh and speaking of best? I'm the best!

What's your username at SC2?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Why isn't either of these two lynched yet?

[ChurchOfMercy]

DAY 1 READS
Acryon - Wants to lynch Kain but not really, sees himself as low-hanging fruit that never gets lynched D1, complains that he's being read so early in the game, yet reads others... Scum

Bellaphant - If she replaces out, she's Scum. Guaranteed. I disagree with her reads, but she's posting more than I'm used to seeing. Null until Tuesday.

Imperium (Nacho & Tammy hydra) - Oh, Nacho & Tammy, cool! I forgot you were a hydra, I thought you were as single player that I didn't know. Anyway, I'm what I'm seeing looks like their usual Town play, even though I disagree with their reads. Lean Town

Jmo16mla - Seems a bit lost... but joined in 2012... If a noob I would have thought he was Town, but now I'm not at all sure. Null

KTthecreeper - Oh. He's actually low-hanging fruit, then? Lean Town.

Jim/(KainTepes) - Lurker/replace-out, no-content trollposter, Very interesting how much resistance there is to his wagon. Scum.

I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

[ChurchOfMercy]

We're actually scum. You've been right this entire time. We did what we could for the slot and you still caught us like a boss. You guys are really good players. I will be nomming for best town.

Klingon and I are very impressed by how effective this town's collective scumhunting ability is.

Well done.

I look forward to playing with you all again, hopefully on the same side.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

It's just so hard to lie to you. How can we lie to your faces, we love you too much. No, we can't lie. We must be honest with you. You are terrific players. You are so close to solving the game.

If you keep us alive, we will periodically drop hints about who are partners are to reward you for being such incredible scumhunters.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

That cutting commentary, though! It's like you have a window into my soul. I hope to never draw scum against you again, acryon.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

It is incredibly telling! Yes. You are so right, I don't know what's left anymore.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

I'm just so happy in my life, I care little about this game and I rather be lynched. Klingon, sorry! We did our best but they caught us.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever make it
But there's only way Imma know
I'm like a seed planted in the dirt
Feels like I been waiting forever to grow
And maybe today is the day
And maybe tonight is the night
But one thing that I know for sure
This time Imma get it right

VOTE: KT

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is everything I ever wanted!

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

And I don't give a FUCK what anybody say!

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

I understand that you can occasionally be a low-volume poster Day 1 (I wouldn't call you useless). My problem with ABR not engaging on Day 1 is because I normally find Day 1 to be one of his most alignment indicative days; while I think that he typically is able to fake passion for a push pretty simply as scum, it's much harder for him to fake how he gets those reads and how he develops his picture of the game state, and, because he is an aggressive town player, he usually pushes to form a picture of the game on Day 1.

You're making me too big of a focus on Day 1 and it's clouding your read of the game, or you are deliberately trying to get me mislynched as scum.

I forgive you.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Still catching up, but what's your read on jmo and would you be willing to help me push there?

I'm fine with that. Klingon can sign off on it.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Gut read.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

DAY 1 READS
Acryon - Wants to lynch Kain but not really, sees himself as low-hanging fruit that never gets lynched D1, complains that he's being read so early in the game, yet reads others... Scum

Some serious false equivalency here.

Jim/(KainTepes) - Lurker/replace-out, no-content trollposter, Very interesting how much resistance there is to his wagon. Scum.

Maybe because there is no content to analyze? Is trollposting alignment-indicative? (Hint: it's not) Also, what made you think Imperium was scum initially? Because you moved pretty quickly from scum to simply based on meta it would appear.

Words

What a shock that you show up with a reads list nearly identical to what everyone else is already saying. Have anything original to add?

Lack of engagement isn't scummy.

Hold on a second...

Kain, on the other hand, has been pretty active elsewhere on the site today.

VOTE: KainTepesVOTE:

Why is potentially being more interested in other ongoing games not as good of an excuse as being more interested in dating sites?

Because both of our heads posted here and Kain didn't.

Both our heads posted in other games as well.

I even posted on 2 other sites.

Apples and oranges.

Klingoncelt

So not being engaged isn't scummy as long as you've posted at least a couple times, even if the posts were essentially nothing. Funny how you draw the line in the perfect place for it to work in your favor.

Consider this an intent to put COM to L-1. Not going to actually do it since I've been dealing with a lot of quickhammers recently.

If you're going to fake scumhunt, at least try to be convincing.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I kind of feel like I... solved this game? CoM, bella, and KT. And CoM's "agreement" on bella doesn't do much for me, just looks like bussing.

Except we're Town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

We're actually scum. You've been right this entire time. We did what we could for the slot and you still caught us like a boss. You guys are really good players. I will be nomming for best town.

Klingon and I are very impressed by how effective this town's collective scumhunting ability is.

Well done.

I look forward to playing with you all again, hopefully on the same side.

Albert

It's just so hard to lie to you. How can we lie to your faces, we love you too much. No, we can't lie. We must be honest with you. You are terrific players. You are so close to solving the game.

If you keep us alive, we will periodically drop hints about who are partners are to reward you for being such incredible scumhunters.

Albert

That cutting commentary, though! It's like you have a window into my soul. I hope to never draw scum against you again, acryon.

Albert

It is incredibly telling! Yes. You are so right, I don't know what's left anymore.

Albert

I'm just so happy in my life, I care little about this game and I rather be lynched. Klingon, sorry! We did our best but they caught us.

Albert

!

Scum building our wagon and dull, gullible Town joining in thinking they're smart.

Hey, Albert, how much you wanna bet that Town loses this one?

Kling

[ChurchOfMercy]

Your reaction being to vote someone who has not even showed up. The second, is that when you voted this slot you ignored the other slot that had yet to post altogether. The third, is that there has been no push whatsoever on me, yet you are stating there was some resistance to it? How can there be resistance to a non-existent push?

It's pretty clear you have no experience playing with your predecessor KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I, on the other hand, have been in some games with him.

Kling

[ChurchOfMercy]

My big problem with your side of the hydra is mostly how you opened the game; why did you agree with Lowell's case on KTthecreeper?

KT overreacted to the RVS vote. Not a good look.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Could people PLEASE stop using KT as an abbreviation? I understand Kain got replaced but there is still plenty of room for misunderstanding between Creeper and Killthestory IMO. Thanks!

KTthecreeper = KT

Killthestory = Kill

Easy.

Klingoncelt (= Kling)

[ChurchOfMercy]

Null. He’s pretty much non-engaged. I don’t give any ‘dumb Town’ credit for 32-33 but it certainly doesn’t warrant scum-points either. I can see why, if he doesn’t know Lowell from Adam, Lowell’s call of me as Town early would be suspect. 62 is full of logical Town oriented thinking. His line of thinking in 179 and 206 about scum being in best position to call other players Town on little basis is a theory I believe in personally. Hell, if not for the fact that he is very non-engaged (other than going after Lowell and Killthestory) I’d probably be very comfortable with a fairly solid Town read on the slot.

Hey, could you (and everyone else) do the Church a favor?

Up above the Reply box among the options available, click on "post" and stick the post number in there. It makes searching a whole lot easier.

" I don’t give any ‘dumb Town’ credit for 32-33 but it certainly doesn’t warrant scum-points either.
62 is full of logical Town oriented thinking. His line of thinking in 179 and 206 about scum being in best position to call other players Town on little basis is a theory I believe in personally."

See what I mean?
tia,
Kling

[ChurchOfMercy]

Preach it, Kling! I love this hydra.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

What do you know of Klingon? I'd like your thoughts on the whole "Kain is scum for not showing up but low engagement is not a scum-tell" thing. Because that causes my alarm klaxons to go ringing big-time. Am I overthinking?

Here, let me help you with that:

Low-volume means volume, just not a lot of it. Some players actually make just one or two short posts per day on this site. The posts generally contain some content.

This is opposed to a flake, someone that completely ignores the game.

How can you not see that the flake is clearly scummier than the low-volume?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Preach it, Kling! I love this hydra.

Albert

Me too!

klingon

[ChurchOfMercy]

That's going to fly so well tomorrow. Just smooth sailing man, from point A to point B bro.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

they always want the v neck to be deeper

[ChurchOfMercy]

Thanks lol. Even though you are trying to be sarcastic, I feel good right now, so I must really be good.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

People say I come off as angry. I am going to respond to negativity and discontent with warmth and funnies. See how you like that, you lovely friends.

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Also, it appears that Kain actually siteflaked.

Yeah, I noticed that.

UNVOTE:

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is opposed to a flake, someone that completely ignores the game.

How can you not see that the flake is clearly scummier than the low-volume?

Let me help you then – you haven’t established in any degree that flaking from a game before making a single post is in any way related to alignment. End of story. So no matter what else you want to say on the matter until you can provide copious links to this site where repeatedly and consistently someone flaking without making a single game post is indicative of a scum role PM I’m not going to buy your vote makes any Town perspective sense.

Long Story Short – Voting for a player without a single post to judge for content as opposed to a player you call scum for in-game posting without any logical base to do so is scumtastic.

You've been here 4 years longer than I and you don't know site or player meta? Hmph.

Some players are known for playing like trolls.

Let's just say certain ones are more likely to disappear when they roll Scum.

[ChurchOfMercy]

KTthecreeper (1): ChurchofMercy

I changed my mind on that one too. Problem?

[ChurchOfMercy]

^ Klingoncelt ^

[ChurchOfMercy]

VOTE: Bellaphant

Nice one, we got 1, 2 to go!

Albert

[ChurchOfMercy]

Magna-Bella scumteam confirmed.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Ha!?
I am not scum!

Church's reactions were incredibly off and their AtE rang insincere. I'm lynching them.

I will read Bella for you though!

You're the first person that should be lynched after our flip.

Then Bella.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Do you want to lynch Church? ... I still get a bad feeling about lynching them, but they could be an information lynch.

Meh, no info at all, really.

[ChurchOfMercy]

The big problem with Church is not that they're being zen about being pushed. I can totally understand that someone in a better positiion in their lives might be all kumbaya and I applaud that and want to group hug them about it. My problem is that there is no oomph in their pushes.

I've been fatigued lately. (I expect to be functioning normally by midweek.)

Klingoncelt

[ChurchOfMercy]

CoM's later on posts regarding AtE gave me bad vibes, but his early posts gave me good vibes. I think his push on Bella is null indicative, but I did notice to a lesser extent any real power wagoning there. I was overexaggerating when I said that he was definitely town because I didn't want him to get hammered. I think Bella would be the best lynch there.

You do know that we are a hydra, right? As in "they," not "he?"

And we are definitely Town. Burned out and jaded, but still Town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

1. Generally, I find that when someone lurks to the point where they need to be replaced out, they probably have things outside of their control that are happening or are replacing out for a reason that's slightly more complex than "I rolled scum", and I'm fairly confident that you don't hold a view outside of that based on you not having any weird pushes on flakes in any other game that I've played with you in. Am I missing something here?


2. In 349, I asked CoM to join me in making a jmo push. Albert said that he'd talk to Klingon about it, and then never brought it up again.

3. I found this interaction as far more likely to be indicative of partners than Killthestory suddenly deciding to not scum read Church for unknown reasons, especially considering how CoM followed Killthestory onto Bella and egged him on in the way that they did; I think CoM would be more careful to tie themselves to a partner in a strong position, especially if Killthestory decided that he was going to stop bussing them for a little while.

1. My experience has been somewhat different. But we're talking about this game specifically. At the time, Kain was active in 5 games but not posting at all here. He siteflaked

after

that point in time, after I pointed out his absence.

2. We didn't talk about it. I'm willing to push just about anyone at this point, I mean we're playing like a bunch of noobs in our first game, so why the hell not?

3. Not sure what you're trying to say here, but Bella is definitely one of the hydra's scumreads.

Kling

[ChurchOfMercy]

I'm kms

kms? What's that?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Klingoncelt here. A couple things I want to touch on:

I'm still bugged by 35. Ocean jumping in to defend KT sounds just like a Mafia trying to diffuse suspicion on a teammate.


In post 325 I said "Bellaphant - If she replaces out, she's Scum. Guaranteed."

Bellaphant hasn't posted in over 5 days. She is not V/LA.

This disappearing is how she plays as Scum, I've been in some games with her.


And the CoM wagon has stalled at L-2. Looks like all the Scum are on it and they can't convince any more Townies to join.

[ChurchOfMercy]

no I think no one else wants to put the wagon to L-1 because they're afraid of a surprise hammer

What would be the surprise?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Question for Church of Mercy: Albert, this is a very sedate D1 for you. Why no outrage at being L-2, as I would expect?

Albert hasn't been here a lot, it's been mostly me.

Klingoncelt

[ChurchOfMercy]

I approve of Lowell, Imperium and MoI on the COM wagon, ergo I approve of the wagon itself, but I believe there is still ample time to probe various posters' opinions.

This post lacks the affirmative stance that you think CoM is actually scum. Please share in a positive manner with the class if that is the case. Especially given that you are voting Kill.

Yes, they are strongly possible scum and I am willing to vote them once the deadline drops to 3 days.

As a player here since the beginning I would like to ask you what behaviours and stances you think I should pay attention to as I look at this thread.

I'd like to hear your reasons for thinking we're Scum.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Klingoncelt here. A couple things I want to touch on:

I'm still bugged by 35. Ocean jumping in to defend KT sounds just like a Mafia trying to diffuse suspicion on a teammate.


In post 325 I said "Bellaphant - If she replaces out, she's Scum. Guaranteed."

Bellaphant hasn't posted in over 5 days. She is not V/LA.

This disappearing is how she plays as Scum, I've been in some games with her.

Yeeaaaaaaaah about that, I went vla in 291 which was my last post. Nice to see you are reading and paying attention...

I find it super interesting that you and kt have jumped on me while I was vla and a push on me seems to have been a tonne of your content.

Catching up properly now.

No, I checked your avie for a V/LA banner, and I checked the Activity Overview for a return date.

If someone says "I might not be here tomorrow because problem" that's one thing, but you can't expect everyone to remember your excuse for absence after several days.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

[ChurchOfMercy]

DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.

Oh, hell, I forgot all about it.

Sorry.

Finishing now.

[ChurchOfMercy]

DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.

Oh, hell, I forgot all about it.

Sorry.

Finishing now.

Here you go:

Jim - His posts are better, but NAI. So for now he's Null.

Killthestory - Damn, I wish he'd explain his one-line stances. Lean Town.

Lowell - I don't get his scumread on us, but otherwise he ever so slightly Leans Town.

MagnaofIllusion - Looks to be asking the right questions and paying attention. The vote on us is dumb, but otherwise I think he's Town

Nosferatu - I said that my Day1 play is shit, I'm better on Day3. My Day1 play is light years beyond what Nos has been doing all game. Scum.

OceanWind - Paying very close attention to the game, but he did that in his first Newbie game here, as Scum. Null

Ollie - I think he's Town.

Severa - Scum.


VOTE: Severa

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is a scumpost:

You guys, I'm known for being useless Day1, NAI. I'm more of a Day3 player.

No, it's NAI meta.

Unless I get a role like Night 0 All-Seeing God, my Day1 will suck.

I often don't even vote, other than RVS-ing a stranger.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I'm sort of back. I'll try to catch up.

Of the new replacements since I last checked, I'm getting townvibes from snarky and scumvibes from Xis. Still believe CoM is the best lynch. This is going to sound ironic coming from me, but it really feels like they've phoned it in, and are trying to make up for lack of content (which I would normally expect from this slot) with sheer volume. Not buying.

Now

this

^ is scummy.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Nosferatu - I said that my Day1 play is shit, I'm better on Day3. My Day1 play is light years beyond what Nos has been doing all game. Scum.

fam you haven't done shit

And you've done less.

[ChurchOfMercy]

vote count 1.11

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
day 1 has begun, it will end in (expired on 2016-04-16 19:01:46)

As stated, I'll shift my vote since DL is getting closer.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman
VOTE: ChurchofMercy

That's L-1

^^^ this is a scummy post

Agreed.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Here's a readlist.

Town {MagnaofIllusion, Oceanwind, Ollie}
Townlean {Bellephant, Jim, acryon, Killthestory}
Scumlean {Lowell, Imperium, Nosferatu, ChurchofMercy}
Scum {Severa}

ChurchofMercy is interesting, because I see a lot of associatives with them (and a lot of info to be gained from that lynch), but I don't necessarily think they're scum, so I'd like to consider. Let me read that one a little more thoroughly.

Severa, on the other hand, has done almost nothing and I feel like that's a particularly worthy lynch, if we run up against it. Also, UNVOTE:

So, you decide that Severa is your Number 1 scumread.

[ChurchOfMercy]

So why not vote for her, Snowman?

[ChurchOfMercy]

I'm incredibly skeptical of SnarkySnowman putting me as sole confirmed scum with current levels of content from my slot.

Feels like an attempt to generate a counterwagon. CoM flips scum that's my first priority.

It's gonna look pretty bad for you when we flip Town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Oh, if they do claim something, please don't counterclaim them. If they actually had a role they'd have claimed by now. They wouldn't say that we can win the game without them, and they definitely wouldn't let themselves hover until deadline as the lynch du jour.

I probably wouldn't have claimed by now, no matter what my role is.

That this hydra's Town is all anyone needs to know.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Sorry, picking up:

Unofficially:

ChurchOfMercy (6): Lowell, Imperium, Bellaphant, MagnaofIllusion, Severa, Xixiqomelir L-2

Severa (2): ChurchofMercy, SnarkySnowman

SnarkySnowman (2): Severa, OceanWind

Jim (1): killthestory

Nosferatu (1): Ollie


not voting: Jim, Nosferatu, acryon



With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Day will end around 7pm eastern on Saturday

Severa is also really obviously town based on the last several posts. ChurchOfMercy could potentially be town considering how SnarkySnowman is hedging there - not exactly voting him but also saying one of Severa/ChurchOfMercy is mafia. The way Bellaphant hopped on there also makes me rethink that slot.

OBVIOUSLY Town?

You gotta be kidding.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Are you just insipidly foolish or scum?
I mean I know you're insipidly foolish but are you scum as well?

SS basically scumclaimed and I want to lynch him. I would have absolutely no issues going back and lynching CoM after a SS lynch.

But that's my priority at this time because SS is 100% scum whereas CoM is only like 85%ish.

Well no. Sorry but disagreeing with your view doesn't result in that binary output. But this is the second time your reaction to someone challenging or accusing you is "LOLZ YUZ SCUM OR STUPID YO". Which doesn't generally make me think even if you are Town that I should hold your views in high regard.

The last two sentences are buzzword bingo which, ironically, is something you yourself just accused Snarky of doing in regards to you.

CoM is getting lynched today. Sorry if your last minute attempt to derail that is destined to fail.

Keep waving your dick around. It'll be a great look when we flip.

[ChurchOfMercy]

If CoM flips town doc me so I can powerlynch this and SS.
This is the most blatant chainsaw I've seen in my life.

Get ready, then, because we are definitely Town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Is that Albert posting?

Klingoncelt. I haven't heard from ABR lately.

UNVOTE: Severa

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[ChurchOfMercy]

Is that Albert posting?

No. Albert is not posting because they are scum, and he hates posting when scum.

He's not in the hydra thread, either. NAI. I could say why I think he's not posting, but there's that pesky Ongoing Games Rule...

[ChurchOfMercy]

Hey, Imperium, you're gonna have a rough time justifying a mislynch.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Hey, Imperium, you're gonna have a rough time justifying a mislynch.

Ooops, I meant Killthestory.

[ChurchOfMercy]

ABR, get in here and help me kill some newbs.

Klingon here, not ABR, but yeah, that was bad.

VOTE: KTthecreeper


OceanWind's defense of KT is pretty scumtastic.

Remember this post?
This post was terrible. Klingon sided with Lowell without giving any sort of reason and criticized OW's defense of KT also without any reason. When questioned on why Klingon felt that way about those specific posts, she answered:

My big problem with your side of the hydra is mostly how you opened the game; why did you agree with Lowell's case on KTthecreeper?

KT overreacted to the RVS vote. Not a good look.

Her read on KT 300 posts later:

KTthecreeper - Oh. He's actually low-hanging fruit, then? Lean Town.

This isn't how a town thought process works. There is no way in hell that she goes "oh, KT is scum because he overreacted. OceanWind's post sucks because KT overreacted. Oh, KT is low-hanging fruit? He is town!"

Guys, seriously, the last thing you want to do is try and get inside my head.

Do not try and decipher my thought processes.

Foolish mortals.

[ChurchOfMercy]

We're actually scum. You've been right this entire time. We did what we could for the slot and you still caught us like a boss. You guys are really good players. I will be nomming for best town.

Klingon and I are very impressed by how effective this town's collective scumhunting ability is.

Well done.

I look forward to playing with you all again, hopefully on the same side.

Albert

This, for those of you who know him and have had the pleasure of playing with him, is not town ABR. Town ABR is called Illogical Rampage because he is an aggressive, in your face player. There are many times when he's just tired of playing scum and decides to step back from a game completely because he doesn't want to play scum; this is what it looks like when he does. Town ABR doesn't feel pressured by tiny pieces of pressure early game because he knows he can crush it in an instant. Scum ABR throws out emotional appeals and crap like this because he knows he has to dig out of a deep hole; he can't bring the aggression and passion as scum and so he does cutesy stupid things instead.

ABR isn't in this game. I am.
Or is the ABR angle the excuse you plan on using because you know damn well that this is a mislynch?

[ChurchOfMercy]

he was at L-3. now he is at L-2.

SHE. Goddamn, if you're turbo-mislynching me at least have the courtesy of getting my pronoun right.

[ChurchOfMercy]

No that was definitely the hammer. Just checked.

CoM were you town or scum?

I've been running the totals. I'm L-2. And I claim Town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever make it
But there's only way Imma know
I'm like a seed planted in the dirt
Feels like I been waiting forever to grow
And maybe today is the day
And maybe tonight is the night
But one thing that I know for sure
This time Imma get it right

VOTE: KT

What the hell is this?

This is supposed to be ABR's version of scum hunting?
If he's placing a vote, there should be some vague process of "I think this player is scummy because" but there isn't because he's just trolling around because he doesn't do jack shit as scum.

You'll have to ask ABR, if he pops in. I'm more classic metal/70s prog rock myself.

[ChurchOfMercy]

We're actually scum. You've been right this entire time. We did what we could for the slot and you still caught us like a boss. You guys are really good players. I will be nomming for best town.

Klingon and I are very impressed by how effective this town's collective scumhunting ability is.

Well done.

I look forward to playing with you all again, hopefully on the same side.

Albert

This, for those of you who know him and have had the pleasure of playing with him, is not town ABR. Town ABR is called Illogical Rampage because he is an aggressive, in your face player. There are many times when he's just tired of playing scum and decides to step back from a game completely because he doesn't want to play scum; this is what it looks like when he does. Town ABR doesn't feel pressured by tiny pieces of pressure early game because he knows he can crush it in an instant. Scum ABR throws out emotional appeals and crap like this because he knows he has to dig out of a deep hole; he can't bring the aggression and passion as scum and so he does cutesy stupid things instead.

ABR isn't in this game. I am.
Or is the ABR angle the excuse you plan on using because you know damn well that this is a mislynch?

No, ChurchofMercy (a hydra of ABR and Klingoncelt) is in the game.
You can keep acting like the only person I'm attacking is ABR but I keep posting things that I don't like about your play and you keep ignoring me like it's your job.

You're comments and attacks have been almost entirely about ABR.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Can we talk about Church of Mercy at the moment? I'm not sure how a playerslot could become scummier than they are now; what about them do you find vaguely town?

You're going to have a lot of explaining to do if we die.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Can you guys just hammer her. She's doing nothing but creating noise just like she's been doing for the entirety of the day.

I'm not the one making wallposts coated in bullshit, luvvie.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Time to save ourselves.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[ChurchOfMercy]

I maintain Imperium is probably scum.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I want to point out something. The post that follows is from Mafiaception where day two ABR was being heavily scum read, and I argued against the scum read on him as I had him as a decently strong town read. I laid out for one of the players that was scum reading him what my understanding of his game was as I'd played with him in several games in the past year and had not misread him once. This was his response to my description of his play style.

Subject: MAFIACEPTION GAME OVER! Flawless Victory!

I don't think that abr particularly enjoys being scum but I think he would be energized by a scum team he enjoys or respects. Titus would probably be on that list. However, I think he'd be a bit demotivated after his partner got lynched and instead he seems energized.

This is true. I'm impressed by your understanding of my game.

So, he believes I have an understanding of his game. He respects me as a player, and I'm incorrectly scum reading him here and I don't get any response whatsoever? Except that snarky type of this town is collectively bad and will lose the game?

This is my last game, maybe for awhile, maybe forever.

All the emotion and drive I usually pour into mafia has now been divested into making my partner happy. I don't have any energy left for this.

My problem isn't who is scum anymore, it's what will I do next to stay on this epic high before it comes down. I'm learning about who I am and what I like doing every single day, it's wonderfully fulfilling. It took me a long time to get my mafia game to a place where I was comfortable. Now I'm doing the same with life.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Thanks guys

Yeah, it's too bad we drew scum, it sucks letting our teammates down like that. The only benefit from us getting rightfully lynched by this skillful town today, is that, our buddies have been on our wagon for 25 pages, so they can use the towncred to carry them into a win. Good luck, scumbuddies!

[ChurchOfMercy]

wait hes actually scum?

im deathtunneling myself tommorow as an fyi

I find that Severa's scumhunting ability is much more accurate the what it actually says in our role pm. I mean, we could have read our role PM wrong, or the role PMs could have been mixed up, or we could remember it wrong. I could check again right now, but who could say, maybe I'm experiencing hallucinations from all this working out I've been doing. I much rather trust Severa's confidence and poise, don't you see how she just radiates certainty, how could anyone doubt that. We are necessarily scum.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Stop lynching CoM today please.

Snarky is scum and they're dying today.

She could still switch her vote to Snarky, though. Maybe Snarky is scum too, and by Severa's cunning and strategy, she will make him die instead of us.

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is her male counterpart. Post 620 was particularly awesome. Let's bring some of that awesome back.

[ChurchOfMercy]

The only benefit from us getting rightfully lynched by this skillful town today, is that, our buddies have been on our wagon for 25 pages, so they can use the towncred to carry them into a win. Good luck, scumbuddies!

Only scum attempting to WIFOM say stuff like this.
Goodbye ABR.

I love these definitive statements, because they are so true, 100% of the time, without a doubt. There's really no ambiguity to mafia when it comes down to it, it's just a logical program, you insert the variables, and sometimes you really only need one variable, the one where you check if they say WIFOM stuff like this, and if the answer is yes, then voila, they are scum!

It's no wonder mafia is such an easy game to master.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Of course, I am not admitting to any WIFOM. If I were WIFOMing, that would be a disaster. I'm telling you that you are right, and we are scum! It's not any more complicated than that. The level of thought and analysis has condemned our slot beyond any imaginable wiggle room. We've been had, good Klingon.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I want everyone to note that Church is acting like everyone voting her is scum.

Klingon, confirm/deny?

That's a stupid question. There are only 1 or 2 Scums left. But they are definitely on my wagon.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Oh also Kling's bella push was also trash. She's trying to claim enough meta experience with her that if she's not posting she's scum and if she replaces out she's scum, but I've seen bella replace out of two games as town. (And in mafiaception, she didn't post much iirc before replacing out.) Literally the only thing she posted was that if she replaces out she's scum, but then mentions she's posting more than she's used to.

Then, she's definitely one of their scum reads.

Nope, my experience with Bella is that she flakes as Scum. And her post count is low. And the posts suck.

She started out posting more than usual, which was a good sign, then fell off. Way off.

I guess you see that as perfectly normal.

If that's perfectly normal to you, then why wait until now to mention it, and use it to try and build the wagon on me, instead of correcting me much earlier ("Oh, no, CoM, Bella doesn't do that anymore, that's not like her at all.") Bella didn't argue the point, either, by the way.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Fuck me, I did not want a deadline extension.

Think it will cause my wagon to fall apart? Hmm??

[ChurchOfMercy]

Second:
SnarkySnowman, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 2
SnarkySnowman, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 3
SnarkySnowman, Athenian Mason, Killed Night 1 (because he was wagoned Day 1)
SnarkySnowman, Hated Townie, Lynched Day 3
SnarkySnwoman, ???, Killed N1 (was vigged, question marks were due to his role)

Snarky gets mislynched/immediately vigged a lot. Constantly, in fact. Am I going to abandon a wagon that I feel very confident in and are familiar with both player's styles and can tell you that this looks absolutely nothing like their town games because Snarky doesn't have a strong case behind the counter wagon that he's pushing? No. And you shouldn't want to abandon this wagon for that Snarky case either.

Funny, I get mislynched on a regular basis too.

Why aren't you a bleeding heart for me?

I know! Snarky's yer Scumbuddy, right?

[ChurchOfMercy]

... words words words ...

You're in a posting frenzy, aren't you?

I can dig passion if I think it's coming from Town, but in your case I don't think that at all.

As soon as Snarky's wagon started up you got all kinds of batshit passionate over the lynch.

Tons of posts in a row kind of batshit.

Over the Day 1 lynch.

Day 1.

To warrant that much free press I'd have to be Almighty Forever Queen Best Scumplayer in the History of the Known Universe.

You really want to lynch a Townie. You really want to save Snarky.

Let's find out why, shall we?

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[ChurchOfMercy]

By the way, if we lynch ChurchOfMercy and they flip mafia, it doesn't clear either Imperium or MagnaOfIllusion.

@OceanWind

- and what happens when I flip Town?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Why is no one talking about how severa literally used bargaining to help setup lynches in advance?

From a mafia perspective, that's sealing 4 deaths ez money.

It's a great trick, doing that when there's so much noise in here. Obviously you're one of very few that saw it.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Time to save ourselves.

VOTE: SnarkySnowmanVOTE:

Hi, ABR!!

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is my last game, maybe for awhile, maybe forever.

All the emotion and drive I usually pour into mafia has now been divested into making my partner happy. I don't have any energy left for this.

My problem isn't who is scum anymore, it's what will I do next to stay on this epic high before it comes down. I'm learning about who I am and what I like doing every single day, it's wonderfully fulfilling. It took me a long time to get my mafia game to a place where I was comfortable. Now I'm doing the same with life.

Congrats on having a life - lots of people grow old and never get one.

Don't abandon the games, ABR, you're too much fun!

[ChurchOfMercy]

Thanks guys

Yeah, it's too bad we drew scum, it sucks letting our teammates down like that. The only benefit from us getting rightfully lynched by this skillful town today, is that, our buddies have been on our wagon for 25 pages, so they can use the towncred to carry them into a win. Good luck, scumbuddies!

[ChurchOfMercy]

Of course, I am not admitting to any WIFOM. If I were WIFOMing, that would be a disaster. I'm telling you that you are right, and we are scum! It's not any more complicated than that. The level of thought and analysis has condemned our slot beyond any imaginable wiggle room. We've been had, good Klingon.

I'm peeing my pants!

Fucker!

[ChurchOfMercy]

Checking in, but I don't have much to add really. CoM is scum. If they are somehow town, we should all be super annoyed that they threw their game away like they did.

I din't throw shit, you opportunistic mortal.

ABR's trolling your silly arses.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Why can't we think that Lowell is bussing Church?

(pssst... because Church is Town...)

[ChurchOfMercy]

imperium is obv town you obv scum

No they aren't, not by a long shot.

[ChurchOfMercy]

@Mod

: Is the Jim slot up for replacement yet?

I can't imagine why anyone would volunteer to replace into this mess.

[ChurchOfMercy]

If I'm wrong on church, I'll be doing one hell of a reassessment party tomorrow.

Starting with trying your best to clear your own name...

I hope you get NKed.

[ChurchOfMercy]

I want everyone to note that Church is acting like everyone voting her is scum.

Klingon, confirm/deny?

That's a stupid question. There are only 1 or 2 Scums left. But they are definitely on my wagon.

^^Ignore this post, I had the wrong notes opened up.

It should read "Fuck yeah the Scums are all on my wagon!!!"

[ChurchOfMercy]

Lowell, why are you voting us? Your performance in the last game where you were in a hydra, you can surely relate to not being committed to or invested in a game. I don't understand why you are so convinced that we're the best lynch.

[ChurchOfMercy]

One game I read of yours was one where Lowell was in it. He was townreading you hard for overposting (over four hundred posts a day). So, him scumreading you here for underposting doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

It's completely unreasonable. He has games where he doesn't care. I have games where I don't care. Town or scum.

[ChurchOfMercy]

The idea that I would emotionally invest myself in 100% of my town games is ridiculous.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Making assumptions on the premise that our slot is scum is definitively smart and not a waste of time.

[ChurchOfMercy]

This is my last game, maybe for awhile, maybe forever.

All the emotion and drive I usually pour into mafia has now been divested into making my partner happy. I don't have any energy left for this.

My problem isn't who is scum anymore, it's what will I do next to stay on this epic high before it comes down. I'm learning about who I am and what I like doing every single day, it's wonderfully fulfilling. It took me a long time to get my mafia game to a place where I was comfortable. Now I'm doing the same with life.

This is so beautiful written, it should be turned into a song, or some country's anthem. Sorry to say I am reading you as scum too at this point. It would make since for you to want your last game to last as long as possible, but someone has to win.

Please keep in mind that ABR is in a hydra. I'm the other head, I don't have a life, so I'll be around for some time to come.

(I'll pick up this out-of-hydra post in a minute.)

Picking up...

[ChurchOfMercy]

Scum have been holding pat for 30 pages trying to lynch us. Wake the fuck up. There has not been any real wagons outside of us and Snowman. You won't get much information. Don't be stupid.

[ChurchOfMercy]

VOTE: ChurchofMercy

We were town.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Dude, we are town. There's no reason for us to lie at this point. Talking as if we are going to flip scum is only hurting yourself.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Wtf, Ocean is scum. Runs away as soon as I call him out.