The Resistance (O3P1 - Replacement Needed)

[mykonian]

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[mykonian]

so first time playing, but I assume this is just like mafia in the tells it uses. Lying people are lying people.

Don't have meta on most of you, I think. Klick, it's been a while! N is trustworthy, he's my fav listmod. Ele and midget I know from sitechat, shoooooould be sort of doable? Radja I like but I wouldn't dare to call him. The rest of you I'd probably need to get a feel of.

[mykonian]

so first time playing, but I assume this is just like mafia in the tells it uses. Lying people are lying people.

Don't have meta on most of you, I think. Klick, it's been a while! N is trustworthy, he's my fav listmod. Ele and midget I know from sitechat, shoooooould be sort of doable? Radja I like but I wouldn't dare to call him. The rest of you I'd probably need to get a feel of.

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When I say I know midget from sitechat, I mean I've seen him around quite a bit the last 2 months and have had the odd conversation with him. I think I've seen you a couple of weeks and up till the last week we barely talked.

Just don't feel I know you yet, you know?

N is trustworthy, he's my fav listmod.

why are you sucking up to me? I'm the last person to get to pick a mission.

Ehm, I don't think you got that I never played a game like this. I'm not "sucking up" to you because of some strategy, it's just as it is. I like you N, whether you believe it or not You are also the person I know best here, so there's that and so far you've seemed pleasantly paranoid? I think I'm happy calling you town for now.

[mykonian]

zzz I think only klick might challenge me for mishmash munchkin in this set of players...

N is trustworthy, he's my fav listmod.

why are you sucking up to me? I'm the last person to get to pick a mission.

Ehm, I don't think you got that I never played a game like this. I'm not "sucking up" to you because of some strategy, it's just as it is. I like you N, whether you believe it or not You are also the person I know best here, so there's that and so far you've seemed pleasantly paranoid? I think I'm happy calling you town for now.

oic "I'm not buddying btw you're town"

Oh I think you are my buddy, but there's not an ulterior motive here. It's fine if you don't believe that, that's for you to judge after all.

[mykonian]

really not that far off now I tend to hunt, I think.

you are a spy, aren't you?

We'll see how good my hunting is.

[mykonian]

Told you it's not too different from mafia. First sentence is fine, you'd make that as town or as scum. Second has the keyword "supposed", where you steer away from applying the theory to the game at hand, and in stead speak about the easy hypothetical. This you'd unconciously do easier as scum, where you, by choice or not, want to look which way the wind blows first. Third sentence is an iffy tell, some people just like the word "probably". Otherwise a pretty null sentence, just theory. Conclusion has the keyword "usually", which has the same issue as the 2nd sentence, where the post is made to discuss a hypothetical in stead of playing the game at hand.

Hence your post gets a very theory heavy and indirect feel, where you seem to be passive and waiting for someone else to do something. As you'd do when you're scum.

Won't say that's that, but for 2 pages in, I'd rather not have you on my team.

[mykonian]

It'll be quite hard to respond to any part of that post without nitpicking, because of the quote that goes after every single sentence I've made. And really, over half the time you didn't have to do that, because you had nothing to say about the sentence, really.

And all that mess really does is that you disagree with my arguments and that I put it too strongly, so you must be town. Of course it's putting it strongly. It's page 2. But the fact that after a very noncommittal theory post you manage to make a very impressive mess about how I shouldn't be calling you scum already does rather send me into a tunnel. I don't like it a bit.

[mykonian]

Hi all!

I get to pick first!

Why should I pick you?
Who would you rather not see me pick?

Because Im nice!
I don't think SS should be picked.

[mykonian]

so first time playing, but I assume this is just like mafia in the tells it uses. Lying people are lying people.

Don't have meta on most of you, I think. Klick, it's been a while! N is trustworthy, he's my fav listmod. Ele and midget I know from sitechat, shoooooould be sort of doable? Radja I like but I wouldn't dare to call him. The rest of you I'd probably need to get a feel of.

I'm in site chat occassionally!

And I reviewed a game of yours, didn't I?

Anyway, I feel like I don't know you well, I speak more to the others!

[mykonian]

well the alternative is waiting for you to do something...

[mykonian]

You are like my girlfriend, jeez. Make up your mind!

[mykonian]

What's the rush? I have almost 4 days left to decide?

There's no rush, but on the one hand you want people to post, on the other hand you find people quick to accuse another. You don't want it either way!

[mykonian]

So you're saying the only way to post is to accuse others immediately?

certainly beats talking about the weather, yes.

[mykonian]

N isn't spy. What Myko said was blatantly sucking up to the listmod (???) which I'm not even sure is game related or not

Oh no it wasn't. Though I thought his response was town. As normal mod he's the leader of the NRG, where I'm in. And I have enjoyed the time and effort he has put in for the good of all of us.

Similar reasons, I don't think Radja is all that bad, but I do wish he'd be a little more active himself. Waiting for other people to post is never going to get you anywhere. Got to make sensible posts yourself, or everybody lurks with you.

[mykonian]

Mykonian can you answer my questions?

OK, fair enough. I didn't have to do that. But the point is that you're attacking me because of my word choice, without knowing anything about me as a player. Do you acknowledge that?

I'm also interested in where you saw me argue that because your arguments were weak I must be town.

that's not a question.

That's your mom asking if you did your homework. Of course you didn't.

Now for one I don't think you are my mom on an alt, but lets grace this begging for a post with an answer of sorts. Yes regardless of not knowing you, I'm happy to call you scum. Otherwise this game would get very sad and confusing, because I don't think I have meta on all that many of you actually. Not to mention that the current breed of players hates meta anyway. So, to avoid that, I'm quite happy indeed to apply general tells to you specifically, because think as you might that you are a special snowflake, that's what half the site thinks they are. And I'm quite pleased with that too, given how preoccupied you've become with me calling you scum. There are more people in this game.

[mykonian]

I know you are but please don't pick people, or there will likely be at least a mafia in the team.

then again, nobody cares about your opinion.

I agree with klick that elekitu's post looked neat. Looks townies for both of them, and I agree with elekitu that Ircher posts awkwardly.

[mykonian]

Why would you want Radja to pick so early ? For now it's a random pick, and random is not nice to us.

this is a bad post, right after Radja said the same thing

goodposting. Faalcon for scumpool.

[mykonian]

Wait, we can't debate during the voting phase?

To clarify, yes you can.

oooh, in that case.

I don't get how Radja picks Something Smart here. Even if you disagree with the reasons why he looks scummy, posts like Post 33 have to have your head scratching. The game was barely started, it's too early to go with factions. I get Radja thinks I'm scum, and fair enough, I know I trip people's gut playing like this (but it's so fun!), but picking S_S just because your scumread thinks he's scum, is not smart at this point. With 4 pages in, there were a couple of players who were totally clean. Why not take a risk there in stead?

I think Radja still plays mafia, so it's not his mishmash thinking either that sets up that alliance there. Wouldn't want to lock into a theory how this makes Radja scum, but it reeks.

[mykonian]

How do you know why Radja picked me?

I have no clue, he's around to argue my way of seeing it obviously. But surely midget, kitu (I don't think you came through on your promise!), N, klick were all better choices than you, with ease.

[mykonian]

Wait, we can't debate during the voting phase?

To clarify, yes you can.

oooh, in that case.

I don't get how Radja picks Something Smart here. Even if you disagree with the reasons why he looks scummy, posts like Post 33 have to have your head scratching. The game was barely started, it's too early to go with factions. I get Radja thinks I'm scum, and fair enough, I know I trip people's gut playing like this (but it's so fun!), but picking S_S just because your scumread thinks he's scum, is not smart at this point. With 4 pages in, there were a couple of players who were totally clean. Why not take a risk there in stead?

I think Radja still plays mafia, so it's not his mishmash thinking either that sets up that alliance there. Wouldn't want to lock into a theory how this makes Radja scum, but it reeks.

[mykonian]

do you have a particular complaint about click, midget, kitu or N? I don't have seen too many voiced either. You otoh, make posts like #33. Even if he townreads you, that should add some reservation.

So yeah, I'd have picked any of those 4, whichever he likes best, over you. Seems logical to me.

otoh, you are probably pleased at least someone picks you.

[mykonian]

then again, that's for Radja. Faalcon could pick N and me and I don't know if I want it :/ I guess at that point I don't know the game well enough, but I don't really want a team with faalcon to pass anymore than one with S_S.

[mykonian]

ok, so at this point I want to repose the same question to Radja: why something smart on that list? It's not as if there's 8 scum voting here against it, and there's been little controversy around KtS and you.

If people get convinced that S_S at this time looks scummy, what makes you so special that you wouldn't risk anybody else but had to go with S_S? It's BS that somehow that's the only townread you have.



I mean, thinking it through I may very well be wrong about S_S, because unless after a couple days of thinking after the first time I asked that question Radja did come up with a proper answer, I think this is a buddying attempt on a townie that's getting bullied, picking up souls. It looks like a radja scum-S_S town interaction moreso than 2 scum wifoming (I think if I had been Radja I'd have let that ship sink then, not let S_S drag me with him).

I cannot see myself voting in favour of the next group of people anyway, faalcon's been iffy. KtS should be promising (though I kind of hope he'll come up with something good, can't say I'm all that confident about Ircher either, though he's not as obviously scummy as Faalcon is)

[mykonian]

IMO there are at least two spies in Radja/S_S/KTS, and I believe it's the former ones. I'd not pick KTS for now, though.
I won't pick until near the deadline. We've got time and now Radja picked a team, we have plenty to discuss about.

Gosh, but how little you add.

Lets slow this game down, why not. I don't want you anyway.

[mykonian]

I congratulate you on showing effort, but it doesn't mean much really.

I agree with N2

[mykonian]

I take it faalcon is still waiting for discussion to happen?

zzz.

[mykonian]

I can also post a list of notes on posts for every players and it also wouldn't really help discussing anything. You've been bookkeeping, not scumhunting. Boredom indeed.

[mykonian]

I mean, I get that you are scum and in a game you play to the rules, but this feels under the belt Faalcon. You are killing the game like this.

[mykonian]

If kts picked the same people I would. I'm happier with him picking.

[mykonian]

well radja, if that isn't an invitation to make a good post for once, I don't know what is!

[mykonian]

four people

uh

no

same people + yourself.
gg.

2nd that. No sense in making this complicated.

[mykonian]

I'm 5th from there, if you really wanted it, you could get it.

[mykonian]

kts over ircher for me as well.

[mykonian]

I've explained my reads before.

"explained" is generous here.

[mykonian]

You sure seem preoccupied with that. Are you seriously going to use that entire deadline trying to convince us you are not scum?

Because that's the curious bit, you aren't even talking about how you are town. IDK. Lets move on, I've seen enough here, I think.

[mykonian]

I agree.

[mykonian]

you miss the point.

do the maths.

[mykonian]

that logic is so twisted you might even believe it yourself. Timescale on it is bonkers.

[mykonian]

that logic is so twisted you might even believe it yourself. Timescale on it is bonkers.

I think the logic is more along the lines, of, N is a spy and thus this mission passing will advance KTS's wincon, but N being confirmed spy is not a big deal as he's already widely scumread.

...

Who's this he you speak of. If I either put in N or KtS, this sentence does not make sense to me.

[mykonian]

wouldn't say so, no.

And then it makes no sense to me still, that's selling out two for the cost of one. And people have a tendency to think about themselves first anyway.

[mykonian]

think it's simpler, he's scum and he made a oopsie.

[mykonian]

you sure are amazing.

[mykonian]

I have no clue where n=spy comes from, he's on top of my townlist still.

[mykonian]

I get what you mean, but lets hang in here

[mykonian]

eh?

I seem to recall he wasn't brilliant at the start of the game. idk.

[mykonian]

idk if I was supposed to know that name.

[mykonian]

Sorry, Lia = JDGA = mod of this game

yeah, I got that far. More that if people want me to know their names, they'll do it themselves, I think. I wasn't sure if that belonged open in thread.

I really want to believe Ircher's town. But I'm willing to accept I could be wrong on that.

Elekitu's town, I have trouble seeing myself change my mind on that. If Ircher didn't fail the mission, Faalcon did. But I don't think Faalcon's scum either.

I kinda wanna hear where Random's head is at.

For me it's Faalcon gambitting first round, or just Ircher here. The other two I'm happy with.

[mykonian]

hmm, idk. What are we at.

Radja or S_S for scum
Ircher or Faalcon for scum
KtS for scum
midget is probably best. I don't really want to let myself be paranoid about klick, though he's that kind of person. Kitu I think is more straightforward, if I had to rank that group, that's the one I'd always pick.

N reads as obvtown. Initially I liked his paranoia, his annoyance lately resonates with me. Of the pairs, it's easier to see Radja as the buddying scum, and don't like either Faalcon or Ircher gutwise. They both talk nonsense if they even say something worth reading. If this was the final mission, I'd take occams razor and call Ircher the scum. Leaves midget. Fine by me, makes sense.

[mykonian]

yes, if it wasn't for radja SS would be solidly in my scumpool, but that interaction is so awkward that I feel I need to do something with it.

[mykonian]

well then, S-S sure is trying to convince me he's scum.

[mykonian]

If someone else needs to know, I can throw a post at that. Otherwise I don't really feel I need to explain you why you are scummy.

[mykonian]

this does not sound like town having a cool strat that failed, this sounds like scum explaining how town they are.

[mykonian]

He's not annoyed that he's called out, he straight up starts explaining. If he were town, he'd hope the rest of the town would get it, keeping scum guessing. But when you are oblivious to what's going on, he's straight up defensive?

Doesn't make sense from town.

[mykonian]

lol

got a guilty conscience?

[mykonian]

heh, someone's trying to tempt me.

[mykonian]

Idk why you are arguing with Radja when he doesn't even dare to make the point, just "questions" people. Dude's scummy as hell.

[mykonian]

sigh.

[mykonian]

Given how this game has gone, we'll have two more phases to go.

Idk. How do you flake out of a game that isn't even a month old, collectively.

[mykonian]

well they always have, mishmash has no rules to it. Usually it's the mods fault, or the games fault. None are an issue here. It's the players who decided they got bored.

[mykonian]

I'm sorry, this isn't the place to vent about it. I'm just a bit bitter

[mykonian]

yeah, I could say something about that, but this isn't the place. I'm also suspicious that talking won't do anything about it anyway.

So, about the game, apart from kitu, who do you think is flaking?

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[mykonian]

zzz, giving up already?

[mykonian]

more to keep the thread alive, but it's not really working.

dead game is dead. wp guys.

[mykonian]

Given you outed your role, there's basically no recourse other than to abandon it, really, but it was probably going to happen anyway.

Spoiler: Roles

Leader:

Radja

Spies:

Ircher, randomidget, mykonian, N

If enough players are up for trying again, could potentially run it.

The leader was pretty obvious.

I was on Faalcon initially, but when he was pushed, he didn't react the way I thought he would. Radja was indeed the call I would have ended up with.