Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Tracer]

Confirm

[Tracer]

Cheers, Love! The cavalry's here!

Vote randomidget for a better tomorrow.

For the Overwatch!

VOTE: randomidget

[Tracer]

VOTE: Tracer

Can't escape my turrets, femscout

*Recalls*

[Tracer]

VOTE: Tracer

worst girl

Wow, aren't you a rude bunch?

With that said, this game is too slow for me.

[Tracer]

What is this madness?

I haven't made my POTG moment yet!

[Tracer]

That's my line!

[Tracer]

Is there a specific reason for flavor hunting of roles?

Do you have a problem with his "flavor hunting"?

(I personally do not think he was flavor hunting, by the way.)

[Tracer]

Oh by the way, no matter what happens in this game today, I am today's lynch.
We can form reads all we want, but we are lynching me today.
Remember that, folks.

[Tracer]

Do you have some negative utility that needs to be gone? I am very confused on why you want to be lynched.

No comment, because I want the suspense and surprise.

And also, because I don't want stuff to potentially go horribly wrong, I'm going to hammer my own lynch. I'm pretty sure this won't really matter but just for a safe measure let me hammer myself.

[Tracer]

Not in particular, though I think flavor can give hints to roles, so in some scenarios I could be against it. I don't see it being used in a scummy fashion right now.

Huh.
I asked because your post that I quoted earlier felt like an accusation to me.

[Tracer]

I made this account before even knowing that this game exists, if you are wondering. Even though I'm prety sure my join date will answer everything.

Also, I'm not in hurry to get lynched so I see no reason to claim yet. As I said, I want to get lynched at the end of the day and not now. So, please don't waste like 3 pages trying to get any role info out of me. I will claim when the time is right and I can guarantee you I will claim before the day ends. And just to prove that I'm not a jester: getting shot by a dayvig is perfectly fine with me too.

[Tracer]

Well I guess I can claim this.
My role is not Tracer, which saddens me even right now.

[Tracer]

Trust me.
You will want to lynch me after you hear my claim.

With that said, I think the hated claim is town, Ved is townish, and Genji gets an :effort: townread. I know that these are not new, but ah well. Take this as my agreement to what has been said before.

[Tracer]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

Paranoid scum?

[Tracer]

Oh, by the way, what you (springlullaby) are suspecting me and Genji are doing is againt the "Do not bring outside influence" site rule and is a banable offense. Just saying.

[Tracer]

Ask me again later.

[Tracer]

Well, that escalated quickly.

[Tracer]

Uhm I havent been able to keep up because of work and playing actual overwatch, can someone fill me in?

Nothing much happened.

[Tracer]

DGB is going carry all of us to the victory.
I have my utmost faith in her.
She also have the flavor for a good hard carry.

[Tracer]

I also think podoboq is town.

[Tracer]

DGB is going carry all of us to the victory.
I have my utmost faith in her.
She also have the flavor for a good hard carry.

Wait a minute.
She didn't replace springlullaby.

Hoo, boy! I'm already confused with the replacements!

[Tracer]

These sound like you have above average reason to trust springlullaby's slot. Why is that? Was she in your RPM? Or do you want to be mysterious about that as well?
I am suspecting shenanigans with regards to Tracer being so sure that she will be lynched and that DGB will be so helpful. Neither are necessarily scum, but something weird is going on.

Same with podoboq's reason, really, for the reason of spring slot townread. Also regarding DGB, I thought she replaced spring, which is why I said that earlier, but then I realized she did not, so it's moot now.

[Tracer]

Seriously, only three players have more posts than the mod and one of them was basically trolling.

Heh, at least it's a past tense.

[Tracer]

As I said, I thought DGB replaced spring.
She didn't.
If you still don't get it, then I don't even know, mate.

[Tracer]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

I don't like this sheeping.

Nah lets not do that

VOTE: inte

Kind of like this.

Lmao you need to misrep better or get your meaning of sheeping checked

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Genji

I am pretty sure you misunderstood that post.

[Tracer]

So are we ready to end the day yet?

[Tracer]

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

[Tracer]

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

What you should do is disclose exactly what your ability is.

If my deathproof is used by a mafia kill I turn into a mafia traitor. Now you know why I want to get lynched today.

Yes that means I also have a mafia win condition in my role PM lol

(It's worded like there is a potential third party.)

[Tracer]

I'd like to go back to how random was all about activity but Tracer and him have about 80% fluff

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tracer

I hope you meet McRee alone in a narrow hallway.

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

What you should do is disclose exactly what your ability is.

If my deathproof is used by a mafia kill I turn into a mafia traitor.

Now you know why I want to get lynched today.

Yes that means I also have a mafia win condition in my role PM lol

(It's worded like there is a potential third party.)

Meaning if Scum targets you with the NK?

Any kill as long as scum did it.

So would killing you give you cinf town status?

Unfortunately, not really. I could be trolling Judas for all we know.

[Tracer]

I think wee should just hope that a vig kills Tracer or kill them in a bit. Not worth the risk now.

I mean I don't care if vig shoots me. I just need this deathproof popped so I can die as town

But if she's not lying, we're handing scum an additional member.

Then we don't let her get to LyLo.
Personally, I think it would be boarder line playing against their wincon considering she received the Mafia wincon too (I'm not sure why she would have received that before changing to traitor).
And the "I could be Judas" comment means that she probably is Judas trying to get town credit for giving the idea.

There would have been no reason to not give this information earlier in the game.

If I claimed earlier the entire Day 1 would've been "shall we lynch Tracer?", which would've been a very ineffective Day 1. I did state that I wanted people to scumhunt first. Plus, the mafia win condition is there in case I turn into a traitor. I don't have two win conditions enabled.

We need to lynch Tracer

No discussion

Just lynch

^^^
Free me.

We need to lynch Tracer

No discussion

Just lynch

So what's your plan going forward if she doesn't die?

I did say that I won't die. I just lock in my alignment as town.

[Tracer]

I shouldn't need to claim my flavor. It's pretty obvious at this point.

[Tracer]

I've not voted anyone.

Fix that and vote me then.

[Tracer]

the mafia win condition is there in case I turn into a traitor. I don't have two win conditions enabled.

My point here is why did you receive it now, rather than when you change?
Whenever I have a role that can be alignment swapped in games, I've still only received my align role until it actually happens.

I did say that I won't die. I just lock in my alignment as town.

You saying you won't die means nothing to me until a lynch occurs.

I don't even know what you are trying to argue here.
Ok, I have both win conditions in my role PM and you say in your past games you only received one alignment. Are you suggesting that I'm both town and mafia then? Or are you suggesting that I'm lying about having a mafia win condition in my role PM?

So me saying that I won't die from a lynch means nothing until the lynch happens. What are you even implying here? That there's a possobility that I LIED and I will be lynched? Uh, ok?

[Tracer]

I've not voted anyone.

Fix that and vote me then.

If I vote you, it will be the hammer.

I have 4 votes on me and it's 7 to lynch.

[Tracer]

I've not voted anyone.

Fix that and vote me then.

If I vote you, it will be the hammer.

I have 4 votes on me and it's 7 to lynch.

Yes?

NVM this, I misunderstood.
Sorry but I'm going to self-hammer.

[Tracer]

For those who still didn't get my flavor, it's D.Va.

[Tracer]

Wake88, you're a mafia aren't you?

[Tracer]

Like, the whole point of me self-hammering was just in case a mafia hammer count as a "mafia kill."

[Tracer]

Nerf this!

[Tracer]

Don't have much really aside from what I've said in thread, well except I sorta townread DGB I guess.
I had to rush a claim because DP wagon was building too fast.

[Tracer]

Well, now we'll have no idea if she's good or evil.

You had no idea of knowing that since the beginning, sweetie.

Could you share quick thoughts on everyone else?

Before that, why did you hammer me after I told you not to hammer me?

[Tracer]

she certainly didn't mention anything about not being able to die from a lynch.

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof

1-shot deathproof

I did say that I won't die. I just lock in my alignment as town.

That there's a possobility that I LIED and I will be lynched?

[Tracer]

I remember asking you for specifics about the deathproof, but you couldn't clarify if that meant being lynched.

[Tracer]

I'm not going to bother explaining this again after this because I think I was very clear on what my thing does.

The whole point of lynching me Day 1 was to burn off my 1-shot deathproof, which had the "death by scum = traitor" mechanic with it. I wanted to hammer myself JUST IN CASE scum hammering counts as scum killing me. Now that I was lynched (meaning, I reached the condition of dying), my deathproof is gone (which was used automatically to save myself) and now I'm just a normal gal without a deathproof. Capiche?

[Tracer]

The ability is called Mech.

If I die, I come back to life. If my death was caused by mafia faction, I turn into mafia traitor. This ignores roleblock and a strongman kill.

So yeah. It activates on my lynch too.

[Tracer]

Tracer did you ask mod what happens if scum hammered you?

No, I didn't bother since I'm playing this on my phone and PMing is hard. That's why I (tried to) took extra caution.

[Tracer]

Anyway, DP why do you think that Turret is from town?

[Tracer]

Yeah?
I was going to ask this until I got swept up with all this "Tracer got converted after burning her deathproof" shenanigans.

[Tracer]

I actually got myself an answer!
Hammer doesn't affect it.

Doesn't change that Wake slot is town though.

[Tracer]

Flavor. In the game, the turrets are made by Torbjorn and Symmetra, who have no connection to either the omnics or Blackwatch.

I wanna try something
VOTE: Wake

Is that what you think?
Then I suggest a mass flavor claim.

[Tracer]

I was thinking of Widow/Hanzo fake, and Reaper/Soldier76 fake lol

[Tracer]

I personally don't think there are 3 scums since I could've turned into a traitor.

[Tracer]

are we really voting wake?

Because I'm not

[Tracer]

All my townreads that I mentioned in Day 1 still stands.

[Tracer]

>>> Tracer wanted to be

self

hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by

Town

someone who was not Tracer (player)

.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

Fixed that for you, love.

[Tracer]

But boys, I really really really really REALLY think Wake is town here.
Look at his faulty logics more closely. Do you know what causes the fault in his logic?

"Wake88 is town."

The fact that he's using that as a piece as his logic bridge and not being aware that it is only confirmed for him and not for everyone else makes him incredibly town. Common logical townslip.
(And yes, Wake constantly mentioning that he is town does not matter in this case. It's about his logic progresses, not about whether he is aware of him saying that he is town.)

[Tracer]

Let's play a game.

Town

• Wake88
  
• podoboq
  
• Vedith
  
• Tracer
  
• Peter Elrich Pines
  
• The Engineer
  
• Shadow_Step
  
• Foxbird

Leftovers

• genji
  
• inte
  
• DoctorPepper
  
• randomidget

Murdered Brutally

• DGB

[Tracer]

In my experience with Wake, he's good enough to NOT make that logical fallacy as town.

I'm not pointing out the logical fallacy itself. I'm pointing out how he came upon it.

[Tracer]

I like how transparent he is.

[Tracer]

Just to make it more interesting, from my townlist, Shadow_Step is my weakest townread because literally the only thing I got on him is his hated claim.

And yes, two of my D1 townreads, which I said few hours ago that it still stands, are now in my non-townreads.
Exciting! (It's more of my townreads on them getting stale. I think randomidget is more town than Genji.)

[Tracer]

I don't really know him either.
But I also don't want to read his past games to see how he plays.
Because that requires effort.

[Tracer]

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

And you blame Wake for not reading the game.

[Tracer]

Do you actually think wake wouldn't be capable of faking this?

Don't know if he is capable of it.
But I think it is pretty natural to me.

[Tracer]

Huh, i could've sworn I posted something with quotes here.
I guess I forgot to submit before I leave.

[Tracer]

@Tracer: what's your main? and what was your wincon D1?

I main Reinhardt, actually.

Also my wincon has been town one since Day 1.

[Tracer]

So your wincon was town, but you just happened to have the scum wincon in your role PM?

Also, your main account is pretty relevant for my read on you at the moment, since your play works from the perspective of someone who prefers being town.

Yes. I have both win condition in my role PM, but the mafia one doesn't activate until i turn into a traitor.
Also, there would be no point in playing as my alt account if I give away my main account, right? Even if I tell you my main account we didn't play a lot enough for you to discern that anyway. (Oh by the way, I made this account before knowing that overwatch mafia is a thing.)

[Tracer]

Dear Lord, is it really that hard to figure out why Vedith's read changed the way it has?

To answer serra's questions:
1. Not really, but I would really like to stay anonymous until I slip or something.
2. Yes, and no. My deathproof one is called Mech so not really an ability name.

[Tracer]

Serra

,

Genji

,

Tracer

,

Foxbird

: Would you be open to a Vedith lynch and, if not, could you expand on why?

VOTE: Vedith

Abso-blinking-lutely not.
Outing why is anti-town. (Well, not because I think giving reason is anti-town, but because of the reason I have is anti-town to share.)

[Tracer]

Right. We're going to play the same game from Day 1: Tracer does not reveal anything until she thinks the time is right.
But honestly, it's really not that hard to figure out what I'm thinking if you think a bit harder and speculate the reason for that sudden read change.

[Tracer]

OK, disregard what I said about the read change. I remembered the time of event incorrectly.
I'm still townreading him for the same reason I won't explain until the time is right, however. The "timing of read change" only served it as a minor solidification of my reason.

[Tracer]

But honestly, it's really not that hard to figure out what I'm thinking if you think a bit harder and speculate the reason for that sudden read change.

This is why they are both scum, they already thought of it.

Ok, never mind again. I was correct about "timing of read change" even with the error I found.

[Tracer]

So who do I want to lynch today?
Hmm...

[Tracer]

Disclaimer: If there are 3 NKs Night 2 then Wake88 is Scum.

[Tracer]

As of this point, if I must name 3 players to be scum, They are randomidget, serrapaladin, and DoctorPepper, with Genji being forced into my list of townreads.
I really think there are only two mafias in this game, though. But then, guessing from my role, the game is already bizarre.

[Tracer]

Either 2 mafia or 2 mafia + third party.

[Tracer]

Nice deflection.

Nice reflection.

[Tracer]

Just me having fun here.

[Tracer]

Page top get.

[Tracer]

As of this point, if I must name 3 players to be scum, They are randomidget, serrapaladin, and DoctorPepper, with Genji being forced into my list of townreads.
I really think there are only two mafias in this game, though. But then, guessing from my role, the game is already bizarre.

Why serrapaladin?
Why does everyone magically have a scumread on this player?

I need to check him and who he replaced. I believe it was Inte who was a empty slot?
I believe we should pressure randomidget more today. Doctorpepper might be able to get sorted through other means, and serrapaladin looks to be trying to scumhunting.

Do you remember my readlist? It basically didn't change.

Why is DP not lynched yet though

VOTE: The Engineer

The only content im seeing from this slot is 'Lynch DP' without anything else. Lets do this.

Didn't you say that his turret must be town?

[Tracer]

VOTE: serrapaladin
As soon as I said lynch him when I flip he shits himself.
We got us scum here lads!

I'm going to be honest with you and say that serrapaladin is not that kind of person.

[Tracer]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[Tracer]

This question has nothing to do with my read on you and I want to be amused. More of a theory question, I guess.

My wagon is really bad because im such an easy target. Face it, my lynch gives very little info. I am low hanging fruit. I am a very easy target for saying "scummy things" despite people already washing their hands off my lynch.

What exactly about being a low hanging fruit/easy target prevent a player from being scum?
Can scum not be a low hanging fruit?

UNVOTE: for now.

[Tracer]

I don't expect scum to be this horrible...

Does this mean you're townreading DP now?

[Tracer]

DP didn't claim to be an omnic?

[Tracer]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

[Tracer]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

Nope, but it's fine anyways. I LOVE WIFOM.

Unfortunately, not really. I could be trolling Judas for all we know.

[Tracer]

Honestly, I actually think it's a lot more likely that she started out as a Mafia Traitor, instead of some town role that gets converted to a Mafia Traitor if killed by Mafia.

VOTE: Tracer

This is where I want to lynch today.

So a lynch out of fear.
Ok.

[Tracer]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

Nope, but it's fine anyways. I LOVE WIFOM.

I don't mean that kind of fear.
I mean the fear that I may not be what I claimed.

[Tracer]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

Nope, but it's fine anyways. I LOVE WIFOM.

Well that's a stray quote.

[Tracer]

Although that assumes Tracer flips town which may not happen

So what is your read on DP now?

[Tracer]

We are lynching fox today.

Nope.

[Tracer]

plus because

DP scumz

I don't see it in your ISO, so:
Do you believe his claim?

?

[Tracer]

I'm trying to recover from irl thing, so consider this as my prod dodge.

[Tracer]

VOTE: randomidget

I can get on board with this.

[Tracer]

We have two claimed conditional doublevoters. I hope one of them get checked tonight.

[Tracer]

Podoboq,

Widowmaker

, has been killed!

day continues.

Flavor massclaim please.

[Tracer]

To stop any wasteful time - I am cop. I had an Inno on Tracer

And you should probably try to be more subtle about this, lol.

[Tracer]

Next time you roll cop, I mean.

[Tracer]

Also I wish the real claims/results were claimed after the mass flavor claim is finished.

[Tracer]

Have everyone claimed flavor yet?

[Tracer]

The more people claim, the more I think my conjecture is correct.

I'll reveal it once everyone is done claiming.

[Tracer]

Genji and Hanzo are brothers. They are not necessarily in different alignment either. Genji is sided with Overwatch, and Hanzo has no alignment.

[Tracer]

Welp, apparently everyone flavor-claimed.

Widowmaker fits as a scum flavor, and Roadhog fits as a 3p flavor.
I'm 99.99% sure that scum has a fakeclaim, and I believe we are looking for Reaper right now.

[Tracer]

Well, Shadow hasn't claimed his flavor but he placed the turret so his flavorpool is very limited. And neither are mafia flavor.

[Tracer]

Because of the third party who has a kill ability, I think it is safe to assume that the setup is 10:2:1.

I want to revisit Wake88, because his claim.... well, it surprisingly fits Reaper.
His Recall ability also makes sense as Wraith Form, and his pulse bomb also makes sense as Death Blossom.

Soldier76 is one of the best fakeclaim for Reaper, so TE should be revisited too.

[Tracer]

Pharah (hook = jet pack)

[Tracer]

Ahahahahahaha

[Tracer]

I used defense matrix last night.
That happens to stop any abilities used on me, including a nightkill.

[Tracer]

VOTE: Wake88

Maybe the last scum can't kill unless there's no-lynch.

[Tracer]

VOTE: Wake88

Maybe the last scum can't kill unless there's no-lynch.

Why would that ever make sense though?

I was just going by what Wake claimed, lol.

VOTE: wake

L-1

I won't be surprised if wake is just missing the deadlines for sending the kill xD

To be honest if I'm suspecting someone for missing kill deadline, I think DP is more suspicious.

[Tracer]

I don't mind being lynched.

[Tracer]

I have one element I have not claimed yet, by the way.
I might claim that at L-1.

[Tracer]

I could claim now, it won't really matter.

[Tracer]

Oh before anything happens, we wait for DP to claim his blocks.

[Tracer]

Numbani, Offense, 6 Reinhardts.

[Tracer]

Hello Maria.

Please claim all your blocks please.

[Tracer]

Uh?

[Tracer]

VOTE: serra

[Tracer]

Who's still alive?

[Tracer]

I think it's a perfect time to claim this now.

I (unintentionally) lied about my deathproof being 1-shot.
It's unlimited.

[Tracer]

what actually happened was that she could essentially choose what alignment she wanted.

Yeah, this is essentially what happened. Oddly enough, making that deathproof not one-shot would've fixed the issue though.

I claimed that deathproof thinking that it's one-shot, since if it's one-shot, I can choose my alignment. And then I realized that unlike my defense matrix, it didn't have that 1-shot tag. I was like "oh crud" and stayed low until I was sure that there was no mafia. And then you tell me after I die that the deathproof one one-shot XD