Mini 1826: The Purge - Game Over

[lane0168]

VOTE: epod~lady also want to be sexist before the art of sexism is lost to this world forever. People will write in history books, quoting this post as past examples of sexism, and I will live on in infamy

[lane0168]

I also want every player to acknowledge they have read the rules - specifically the rules surrounding Voting and plurality lynching at deadline ...

You expressed a desire to vote me and you might be scum. I don't have to do shit,

Not the approach I'll be taking this game magna. I learned my lesson. And I've read it. Glad you said something

[lane0168]

I was about to say something really stupid like use today to find the most town person and the most scum person. Lynch the scum. Then everyone shoot below them except the person above the town person.

Then I remembered I'm not an idiot.

[lane0168]

Only 1 mafia kill is strongman. The others are backup

[lane0168]

And strongman doesn't have a barricade ability so they're always open to be killed.

[lane0168]

1 strong kill a night. Not all of them

Pedit good point on masons being able to coordinate the kill. That will require being townread, and not outing themselves. They are liable to be shot by either alignment though if they aren't barricading

[lane0168]

VOTE: KuroiXHF

Serious vote

I want to vote Kuroi for posting a picture of a poor cat he's threatening to kill during the Purge if he isn't unvoted ...

I also want every player to acknowledge they have read the rules - specifically the rules surrounding Voting and plurality lynching at deadline ...

You expressed a desire to vote me and you might be scum. I don't have to do shit,

You expressed a desire to vote me and you might be scum. I don't have to do shit,

Ok.

VOTE: Kuroi

Oh ok above or below on the playerlist
I don't understand why you're proposing this but wtv

Bouncing ideas off each other, brainstorming sort of, trying to see if there's a best play. But I also don't think anyone proposed it. Do you have anything? Or...

[lane0168]

Shit, didn't mean to keep those quotes cause I wanted to see if there was anything there or not or if it was even worth bringing up.

Since its out there, reading this exchange it seems awkward and forced. Like inside scoop sort of banter. Get the feeling kuroi is trying to act, knowing magna isn't a threat.

[lane0168]

OH I GET IT NOW
mod should have corrected me when I confirmed...... >_>

What do you mean? How did you confirm?

[lane0168]

I guess you could meta me, but I doubt you will because nobody does. not properly.

I can use some help.

Myeah, the meta check out. You pretty much roll like that.

Argument out of the window, then.

How do you get a sufficient meta in 4 minutes? I mean I can't... Eh fuck this I'm hailf drunk with a headache. I'll come back tomorrow.

[lane0168]

can we haz sum moar voatz on realeo

Look at you being all opportunistic and shit!

I mean a good meta takes longer than 4 minutes, true. But I guess if he's looking at rvs in the last two games only, that'd take about 4 minutes max. The thing I don't like is that he stopped looking at meta after 4 minutes without getting any sort of read. Like 4 minutes later... Welp, nothing to see here, guess I'll go report my findings, of Yeah this is how you are. But he at least closes things with a read on pk, and I'm not sure he would've found more looking at more rvs. I just played with Realeo. Hard to understand and definitely seems try hard as town. I mostly ignored him that game.

VOTE: shos

[lane0168]

I guess you could meta me, but I doubt you will because nobody does. not properly.

I smell and over eager beaver. Im visiting you tonight.

Lol, don't you think looking at your last two games, rvs only, is proper?

[lane0168]

I thought I was a one-shot bulletproof and a one-shot vig.

[read the role PM (not carefully enough it appears) before reading the rules and setup]

So you confirmed telling the mod you are 1 shot of each and he didn't correct you?

[lane0168]

Shos posts look like a series of faking ignorance from his own role, to what stranded means and thinking there are no lynches, to thinking all mafia kills are strongman.

[lane0168]

nobody gets meta so quick

Excuse me. I am an undergraduate student, ok? My reading speed is at my peak of its time.

Plus, there is something bottom shaped like a [+] that is called iso button. Two minutes/ game is definitely doable. The only thing that I can't master is Englizh.

The thing I don't like is that he stopped looking at meta after 4 minutes without getting any sort of read.

It is highly ironic that you make a joke of me how I am not competent then showed that yourself is not competent.

[1] The scope of the conversation is refuting the argument. I limit my search to that.

[2] Do you really expect me to build a read out of RVS?

This is an example of why its hard for me to follow. Because I didn't make a joke of your competence at all. If you aren't looking to get a read on someone, what was the point of the meta search in the first place?

[lane0168]

I thought I was a one-shot bulletproof and a one-shot vig.

[read the role PM (not carefully enough it appears) before reading the rules and setup]

So you confirmed telling the mod you are 1 shot of each and he didn't correct you?

Precisely.

And realeo: I am a grad student lol, that does not hold water.

One does not meta RVS alone. What is to be gained? If this is what you say you did, please elaborate on what you were looking for, what you found, and how that influenced you?

Don't you steal my line of questioning!

Realeo, what were you looking for exactly?

[lane0168]

Nobody said it was after he explained that he only checked rvs stage. I already said 4 minutes is more than enough to check rvs for 2 games. You went through a lot of work to check all that though and defend him for something nobody has an issue with...

Current issue for me is why stop at 2 games that don't give you a read? Why do it in the first place if you're only spending 4 minutes on a meta? Just seems... Well I'm still trying to decide how that seems

[lane0168]

@almost50, how likely are you to lynch one of the people you don't want to lynch, given a solid case on one of them? I like the transparency because I usually have it in my head (whether conscious or sub concious) who I would or wouldn't lynch, but I'd like to know how firm... Nvmd, highly volatile, subject to change.

Let's just leave it at I'm down with almost50's transparency.

[lane0168]

I'm sticking with shos. He posted on this page, yet feels the need to pop in to tell us he'll read up tomorrow. I hate that shit

[lane0168]

I have a completed game with kraska. I don't have a "completed" game with shos.

I don't like this though, does it mean kraska is playing a town game? And you know what it is? Doesn't seem like a solid reason to have one you'll lynch and one you won't cause you've played with them before.

[lane0168]

I'll get to this game tomorrow.

More of the shit I hate

[lane0168]

Man, Kuroi and Vedith - glad I didn't read the playerlist before joining! (I kid, I kid!)

But really,
VOTE: Vedith

As for the stranded mechanic, I thought that happened regardless of how the lynch happened, majority or plurality. Is it a normal death if it's majority?

Following on my phone, wife's b-day celebration this weekend. More on Monday probably

"If no majority is reached, the player with the highest number of votes is stranded"

An iso of shadowez... For doing more of the" shit" I don't like. It says if no majority is reached, stranded happens. The problem I have here is he seems to be aware of stranded, so he looked at the setup, but not at all aware of when this happens. Another one that seems to be playing dumb. Even worse than shos.

VOTE: shadow

[lane0168]

And if anyone else would like to get in this game so I'm not playing by myself besides people that will post tomorrow, that'd be greeaaaattttt.

[lane0168]

The real tryhard here is lane
More votes on lane pls

Fuckin right. Everyone going 12+ hours without content besides "post tomorrow" is bullshit. Good post though. Your naked vote didn't seem like much, but the case you're laying down now on the guy trying to get shit going is undeniable.

[lane0168]

Il be here tomorrow.

Lol jk
Lane it is legit that peoplenotify that they are busy. Also considering that like 5 people got confused withthe rules, im p sure it is not a scumtell

Shadow read the rules the say "if no majority is reached... Stranded" and then it's confused about how stranded?i don't buy it.

Pedit Ok... I may be stupid. Let me go read

[lane0168]

. "The player voted is not lynched, he is Stranded:"

Ok so what the fuck is it? Are they interchangeable? Or are they one in the same? If they are the same, why is there this difference here?

[lane0168]

UNVOTE: so shadow is probably right, and I'm the idiot. There is no lynching I'm assuming. Everything is stranded. We're voting to strand people so they can't use their ability. I got messed up by that last line. Basically, "lynch" is not a thing in this game.

[lane0168]

Yeah but they aren't lynched. They're stranded. So it's not interchangeable

[lane0168]

"Voting is as usual with phase ending when time runs out or a majority vote is reached. If no majority is reached, the player with the highest number of votes is stranded. In case of a tie, the player who was first to that vote count is stranded. The player voted is not lynched, he is Stranded"

This part distinguishes what happens when no majority is reached. And then goes on to reiterate the person is not lynched, but stranded.

[lane0168]

The only thing that bothers me is the dynamic of lane and shos.

I understand that you sometimes interrogate your town read.
I understand that you sometimes work together, and that's not necessarily buddying or scummy.

However, lane

townread

me and

scumread

shos.

How in the whole world, lane work with

shos

together to interrogate

me

?

I mean, when I mentioned my fos, I feel disgust (well, overkill, but you get my point.)

But lane seems to be laxed about it. This maybe incorrect conclusion, but I'm thinking either both shos and lane are scum or both shos and lane are town. No in between.

I never said anything about townreading you. Good try. -1

[lane0168]

UNVOTE: so shadow is probably right, and I'm the idiot. There is no lynching I'm assuming. Everything is stranded. We're voting to strand people so they can't use their ability. I got messed up by that last line. Basically, "lynch" is not a thing in this game.

Mate, I'll give it to you straight: An idiot you are NOT, but you're very good at playing dumb. that's why I'm confused about you. Usually someone playing like this would get a town lean read from me this early in the game, but -knowing you- I'm not at all sure if it's genuine or intentional.

The problem with this game is we have players who are very well capable of playing exactly the same as either alignment. lane, (PV), Kuroi, Nos & PK. There are others whom I have not played with as one alignment (Vedith, shaddowez, MoI & kraska), so I've got to do with what I have and then go doubt every conclusion I reach!!

This is all completely wrong about me. Never have I once played anywhere close to my town game as scum. Maybe close as 3rd party, cause that's easier. but never as scum. Not even once. The factually incorrectness of this is terrible.

When was I good at playing dumb ever? If I ever was it was when I was town. I've never had a good scum game. This is just so so wrong I don't know how you came up with it.

[lane0168]

The only thing that bothers me is the dynamic of lane and shos.

I understand that you sometimes interrogate your town read.
I understand that you sometimes work together, and that's not necessarily buddying or scummy.

However, lane

townread

me and

scumread

shos.

How in the whole world, lane work with

shos

together to interrogate

me

?

I mean, when I mentioned my fos, I feel disgust (well, overkill, but you get my point.)

But lane seems to be laxed about it. This maybe incorrect conclusion, but I'm thinking either both shos and lane are scum or both shos and lane are town. No in between.

I never said anything about townreading you. Good try. -1

how else would you perceive shos as opportunistic for pushing realeo then? -___-

Huh? I have to have a townread on someone to call sometime else opportunistic? I'm not following that logic.

[lane0168]

"Dont steal my line of questioning"*

That's not even how I said it. Not sure why you corrected yourself to something wrong... You seem to think I didn't want the credit for my line of questioning. Did you not consider maybe I didn't want my scumread to again be opportunistic to look town? Didn't want him jumping in to a spot I was obviously going?

[lane0168]

I like your attempt to throw shade and tell people why I didn't want shos jumping into my line of questioning

[lane0168]

Also my vote on shadow didn't have anything to do with timeline. It was about me thinking shadow was being deceitful

[lane0168]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

I noticed you didn't say shit about almost50 voting for someone who had 0 posts... Why not?

[lane0168]

You seem to think I didn't want the credit for my line of questioning

that's literally the opposite of what i said

Yes, I didn't mean didn't. Screwed up the sentence

[lane0168]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

I noticed you didn't say shit about almost50 voting for someone who had 0 posts... Why not?

bc moi was onto a50 about this anyway? and i did say u were both doing the same shit when asked about it

both seem to be using lurkers as cop out from actual scumhunting

He was... Later. Nobody asked you what you thought about me voting shadow. And almost50 had already voted pv. You didn't say anything about it until you were asked about it. Why was it bad for me to vote him with reason, and not almost50 with no reason? I'm not concerned about your response AFTER being asked. I'm concerned with why you had to be asked, when you implicated me for LESS!

[lane0168]

Did you not consider maybe I didn't want my scumread to again be opportunistic to look town? Didn't want him jumping in to a spot I was obviously going?

again this shit doesnt make sense
why isnt the spot you're going to a spot you scumread?

What?

[lane0168]

again this shit doesnt make sense
why isnt the spot you're going to the*** spot you scumread?

edited

The spot, is a point in the line of questioning. I don't know what you're asking...

[lane0168]

let';s get things straight

you think shos is scum
you dont think realeo is scum
for some reason you decided to push realeo rather than your scumread
shos agrees with your push on realeo
you accuse shos of being opportunistic scum
but instead of sorting shos
you jump onto someone who announced a vla bc for some reason that's deceitful

u see now why ur track record so far looks bad?

No I don't see why my track record looks bad at all.
Shos was a scumread.
I pressure Realeo to sort the slot. Can I try sorting other slots while I have another scum read? Yes. Because I'm talented.
Where did I say I don't think Realeo is scum?
I didn't accuse shos of anything. I told him to butt out of my life of questioning.
Again, I can't sort other people I don't have a read on yet, WHILE I have a scum read. I didn't have anything to push on shos with at that time apart from what I'd already said so I was moving elsewhere.

Why is trying to sort more than one slot scummy?

[lane0168]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

By the time he voted, moi was already on to him...?

Can you show me one post moi talked to almost50 about pv before this vote?

[lane0168]

@moi, about reading the rules then acting like he didn't know the rules. (which it turns out he was right and I was wrong)

[lane0168]

Why is trying to sort more than one slot scummy?

the thing is, i dont see you really sorting your scumread?
your push on shos is barely there
youre more focused on realeo
and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas

I push what I see. Always have. I see something and I pounce like a tiger. Do you think you're being scummy voting shadow when I'm your scum read? How could you be voting somewhere else, I'm your scum read.

[lane0168]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

I should say was most of it. I didn't like him popping in like that. I know it happens and town do it too, which I get the feeling he's town. I just hate it. I ALWAYS get the feeling they're just delaying having to post and get found out. It's probably wrong.

And to be theres a difference between people saying they'll post tomorrow. Or read up later, and coming in to tell the mod v/LA.

Like shos. Coming in to say he'll read up later, when there's 10 posts since his last post. Takes 30 seconds to read that

[lane0168]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

By the time he voted, moi was already on to him...?

Can you show me one post moi talked to almost50 about pv before this vote?

sorry sometimes my wording comes out really wonky and i dont even realise (eng isnt my first lang)
what i meant to say is moi questioned him after the vote

i just realised that the timeline was messed up in my head tho, the way i remembered it was that vote came later
anyway you didnt address this "and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas"

Because it was about more than that, and wasn't the main reason, and I've addressed that I also view them differently. As in, coming in to tell the the mod you're v/LA seems more of a courtesy, and coming in to tell everyone you'll post later seems to be avoiding something. You'll notice I also said I didn't like shos doing it too

[lane0168]

does nobody else find it weird that
lane specifically picked on shaddow out of all the people who were on vla, and even called his vla deceitful
and yet when shaddow comes back...instead of point out that lane's push on him is shit(i had to do this for him), he completely ignores all of this and questions me instead for pointing out that lane whining about lurking or lack of content (over a weekend) so early into the game is weird?

Does anybody else find it weird that kraska continually ignores my actual reason for voting shadow, and also ignores the fact that I called shos out for the same thing, trying to make it seem like I picked ONLY shadow, when that's not even the truth, and also ignores my explanation of why I think vla is different, while ALSO completely ignored almost50 voting a NON poster, while also having Zero suspicion of almost50 doing what they think I did only worse?! And also tried to make it seem like moi was already on almost50 by the time he votes for pv, WHILE ALSO not yet giving an explanation for why they didn't question almost50 for voting pv?!

[lane0168]

While also trying to say I said shadows vla was deceitful when I've said what I actually thought was deceitful?

Talk about deciding who you'll lynch first and building your case around that! VOTE: kraska

[lane0168]

@kuroi, I was day 1... You forget the whole vanilla super hero role claim debacle? I lost interest in that game as soon as I was vanilla Townie superhero. And lost it completely when I was vanilla Townie on both mfing worlds. So I replaced out

[lane0168]

I'm not moving off kraska until I find someone better. And right now considering its all talk about best play and no scum hunting/ basically anything else, there is no one better. the apology and retraction can easily come from scum realizing they picked the wrong person to try to lynch. All it really tells me is she was pick and choosing things to force a lynch. Evidence being a naked vote on me, followed by more and more things she found scummy. Evidence being she supposedly missed my immediate unvote,

and also missed shadow addressing said unvote (separated so not missed) citing it for a town read. After talk all about me and shadow not caring about my push on shadow, she misses that TWICE? she either saw it, or she missed it because she's just looking for something to call scum. Either way I don't think that's town whatsoever, considering she seemed to be ONLY paying attention to us two for pages.

As far as the plan goes, pv's plan, I don't think scum will limit the lynch pool for an extra kill or two. The backups will follow the plan. The strongman will kill who they want, and 50/50 they die.

The problem is the people already saying they won't follow the plan, which I think is good intentioned. I don't think their intention is actually to go against the plan. I believe its to try to avoid the plan all together. Because they're right, scum still exploit as best as possible. Along with the chance scum get lucky and get the right lineup.

As an option, We agree to put the people against it in the barricade section. And force them to barricade. Or die.

Another option is shoot who you think is scum, barricade if you're not confident.

Another option, everyone barricades, knowing people will inevitably go against that plan, but scum don't know who. I think we get a kill pool of 3 the 3 scummiest players, including the stranded... People target them. If they decide to shoot someone else, they're basically leaving themselves open for kill without basically any chance of killing. This obviously leaves room for deviation, if people want to take the chance, without giving a ton of information to scum

[lane0168]

I like pv's plan probably the same as a 3 kill pool because decent chance of hitting strongman in his plan

[lane0168]

Since when do you open clinic? What's that mean?

[lane0168]

I mean yeah, as long as people stick to the plan of shoot, barricade, shoot, barricade, shoot... Then it's best plan I think? Basically youre trading 1 for 1, or at least knowing what half strongman is in. Scum are forced to follow the plan or diminish their lynch pool. Again, that's all assuming EVERYONE sticks with the plan

Pedit, you've obviously not played with me enough with unusual mechanics, or read enough, and kraska is getting stabbed. With a rusty steak knife

[lane0168]

I literally explained it like a long time ago?

I mean, kraska literally pointed out the same thing.

Why is trying to sort more than one slot scummy?

the thing is, i dont see you really sorting your scumread?
your push on shos is barely there
youre more focused on realeo
and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas

The fact that I'm not alone means I'm not making nonsense. Wrong? Probably. Nonsense? A second pair of eye confirms my observation.

Holy deflection batman! How did kraska say the same thing as you saying its crazy that I expected a read. I asked you what was the point of doing the meta, if you weren't looking for a read? The whole point of meta is to try to sort your reads. You did it seemingly for no apparent reason. And why are you bringing it up again now? That's been long over and you're still trying to defend it for some reason

[lane0168]

I hinted at long time ago, I think both {lane,shos} is either both town or both scum. So {lane,shos,???}. With epod have not making any comment, it's dumb to annouce the 3rd scum now.

It's pretty dumb to announce the second scum now, so why not the 3rd?

You think it's dumb to announce the second scum after

21

pages?

I tell you what is dumb. Lane forcing me to make a read out of RVS.

I don't even see kraska having the "same opinion" as you. That you think I'm scum for thinking the point of meta is to get a read?

[lane0168]

On another point, lane, why do you insist that I should make a read out of meta? Especially from RVS. The scope of RVS is so narrow that I don't recall people make a

genuine

read out of it.

I didn't insist you make a read. I asked what was the point of doing an RVS and what you are even looking for if not to find a read.

[lane0168]

I guess you forget about me telling shos to stay out of it and not weasel into my line of questioning. My "don't you steal my line of questioning line!" that got its own share misconstrued reaction.

Pedit. Because I don't like the naked vote on me followed by a Mish mash of pick and choosing things to make a case after deciding to make a case on me. And because her big town apology that I think is scum seeing a case go nowhere and a cop out.

[lane0168]

Her excuse was that she skims and misses things. Funny she "misses" the things that make me more town, but finds plenty of things she finds scummy

[lane0168]

Shoot me then ^_^

Why do you think you missed the thing that cleared me and shadow for you, twice, but find plenty of scum things

[lane0168]

@mod v/LA til tuesday

I'm not going to bother with this game when all it is is talking about the plan, talking about why we like or don't like the plan. Statistics about the plan. Saying let's scum hunt, then talking about the plan. Starting to get the feeling scum is hiding behind the plan since very limited conversation about anything but the plan. A plan which quite obviously should've been off the table long ago when people said they weren't going with the plan. Enough with the plan. Fuck the plan. Shoot who you think is scum. Or don't shoot. The fucking plan man. I'm taking a stand against the plan man. Not wasting my long weekend in this plan, man.

[lane0168]

I'm reminded of a story.

Long long ago, there was an assorted group of paladins, rogues, warriors and priests, among other classes of players aligned with the alliance, planning out a raid. They talked exhaustively about how best to accomplish the raid. They came up with a chance of success of 33 and a third, repeating of course.

A lowly human paladin got sick of the planning and said fuck this. And went ahead with his own plan. That paladins name? Was Leeroy Jenkins. When he decided to go against the plan, the whole thing was fucked.

What did they do? They stuck to the plan. They did everything they could to be successful but that one guy ruined the entire thing. Everyone died a slow, angry, gruesome death. It was a blood bath like nothing ever seen.

It was a bad plan to begin with, compounded by an unwillingness to cooperate. And one man saying "fuck this noise" (not a direct quote). We have at least 3 Leeroy Jenkins.

Wtf are we even doing here? Wasting fucking time. That's it. That's all we're doing. Drop. The. Plan. It's not going to work without full cooperation. Scum can plan, scum can not plan, they can hide behind a plan, they can be active in a plan they know they won't follow, they can quietly agree with a plan they know they won't follow. They can go against a plan they wouldn't follow anyways. You know who else can do all those things? Town. What are we left with? A waste of a day and with virtually nothing to go off of.

Pedit. My kill pool is kraska, shos, and I haven't decided my third

Vla for real now.

[lane0168]

lane, sorry to burst your bubble but 'a waste of a day', if you read my posts, is game over. if we shoot who we wish, game is likely over after N1.

Yeah, if you assume we're the worst town of all time, can't find any scum, and all decide we'd rather shoot than barricade. With the amount of shit to go off of this day, I'd be surprised if more than a few people shoot, let alone die.

[lane0168]

VOTE: shos

Fuck that. He's going to waste more time with a self proclaimed risky plan that needs everyone's cooperation. To waste literally the entire day so we end up with no plan, no reads. What the fuck is the point of coming up with another plan that no one will follow?

Shos, why do you insist on plans when people have been saying for 20 pages not to do a plan no matter what you say? What town motivation do you see in wasting everyone's time with another plan?? And leaving no time for scum hunt. You're a huge distraction and I think now its deliberate

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

You're right, lynching now would be catastrophic

[lane0168]

But so would wasting the rest of the day on talking about the plan

[lane0168]

Just finished up with my easy duties elsewhere. Will be back tomorrow. I'm excited though. Skimming this page looks like we came around to the hunt scum plan... Kind of? I'll do a quick read now

[lane0168]

I don't care being stranded as long as someone shoots pisskop.
lane, do you not have any reads? I certainly have them, I don't see why you'd call it wasting a day if you do too.

Could you explain to me how someone who says " i don't care what you say " goes fine with you and someone who actually tries to get something protown done gets your vote?

All those who say I am wasting your time, that is bullshit. If you wanted to say anything regarding your scumreads, you'd do that. you are the one wasting your time. I have a discussion here with realeo and 50. you can scumhunt independently, but you don't. same goes for pisskop and possibly others. blaming me for that you don't do shit in this game is a fallacy.

I've found a hole in the other plan which makes it autolose so we can disregard that.

~~~

If we don't go by the original plan, I put my money on a N1 lose for town.

Yes I have reads. They are about 1% as strong as they could be had we spent our time in scum hunting. That's my point. And they're more likely to be completely wrong with minimal stuff to go off of. You should understand that.

And what's with the fear mongering of that last line. I'd guarantee it wouldn't be a night 1 loss. I don't think the town sucks that bad

[lane0168]

VOTE: no lynch/strand/whatdver
If you're going to misshoot town atleast don't deprive them of their shot
@shos shoot a50 with me...I don't think pisskop is scum here

This should be killed right after Shos ...

do u have anything useful to add to the game ?

Irony: level 99

[lane0168]

I'm going to bed. I'll go find what popped out at me most, but I'll need to read again to find the good stuff, and sift through the constant plan talking still I see

[lane0168]

Before a50 comes and screams nonsense for 3 more pages, I am clarifying my point.

1. Compare apples to apples
What realeo computes are the chances for each plan withOUT scumhunting. THEN, you can compare them.

2. Compare oranges to oranges
Then, when you have, say, plan A has X and Y town and scum deaths, and plan B has them X1 and Y1. Now, you can add the scumhunting factor.
Plan A (mine) gets added value in the choice of the 6 people being shot. If one of those is the SM, we have a scum death. If some are goons, we force them not to kill.
Plan B gets the added value that scum may simply be shot if the town chooses cprrectly.

The imprpvement in both cases should be about equal in my opinion, therefore computing the 'apples' part should do.


Pedit: yes, you are correct.

If we sucks at scumhunting, then we are going to lose anyway. Just slow death or quick death.

We only need to get the SM; it is preferable to also get thr goons of course, but if we dont it is still good because next night we can choose better out of the shooters.

For scumhunters who read this, this is a scum flailing. We only need to get 2of3 for town win. shos is making it hard to get 2of3.

For the record, I still think the random killing is better. The rebuttal of "2of3" only rebutt "good because 2of3" and "shos scum for denying 2of3". death ratio, I still like it better.

I unvoted shos due to #781. That's what I expected from town.

So Realeo has an expectation in mind for what town would say. Already preconceived notion of what will come from town, in his head.

Shos' post (exactly how Realeo expected town to post)
Realeo claims shos is scum flailing, very adamantly, bolded in different colors so as not to be missed and everything!
Realeo unvotes citing 781 as the reason, while 786 is scum flailing? I'm having trouble figuring out how Realeo missed something that he already had expectations of coming from town, insisted shos is scum flailing, and then later says a previous post... You get the point...

VOTE: realeo

Explain yourself. Because to me it looks like a bull shit progression of reads. I'm having trouble figuring out why you have such a bs reason to town read someone all of a sudden when you've been fighting for their strand vehemently?

This means 1 thing to me.

I'm also wondering why no one missed such a blatantly crazy weird nonsensical reversal in reads, so I'm going to have to ask you all to tell me im being crazy if you think I'm being crazy.

[lane0168]

If all players are dead at the end of the night, the mafia wins.

!

Aigo. They are not making this easy.

VOTE: PeregineV

If PeregineV makes a good readlist, this vote will flip back to shos.

K good, cause I didn't understand how seconds ago he was yelling in colors about shos scum flailing, then voting, then voting someone else for pressure?

[lane0168]

VOTE: shos

[lane0168]

Shos' post (exactly how Realeo expected town to post)
Realeo claims shos is scum flailing, very adamantly, bolded in different colors so as not to be missed and everything!
Realeo unvotes citing 781 as the reason, while 786 is scum flailing? I'm having trouble figuring out how Realeo missed something that he already had expectations of coming from town, insisted shos is scum flailing, and then later says a previous post... You get the point...

The Vedith rebuttal was a stopper from me.

And remember

Premise 1 : Shos is scum for denying 2of3 (#786)
Premise 2: 2of3 is proven to be wrong (#799?)

Are you expecting me to still scumread shos despite proven wrong about 2of3? The moment 2 of3 is rebutted, the scale tips back to "town????" due to 781.

So he's scum for one thing! Like scum flailing! For one thing. But that was wrong, and something Different makes him town? Was the 2of3 thing the only thing you scum read him for? And the first time you thought he was scum?

So you're back to no scum reads then? Just a vote on perev that can be wiped away with a reads list.

[lane0168]

I'd also like everyone to notice Shos dodging my questions about

1. Explaining his Vedith read.
2. Explaining when he started "scum reading" me.

Hasn't gone unnoticed

[lane0168]

sure thing. i will be available in four hours. please pester me all you like then.

You never showed

[lane0168]

I've just come back home from a family dinner, and I don't see much new content to comment on, so I guess I'm still where I am.

Heard that. I'm trying to scour for something new that I missed. It's hard. 40 pages already sifting through plans kills my appetite

[lane0168]

Wheres Realeo? Her popped in but doesn't say anything about Perev, I was really hoping that would happen before the day ended.

As for the rest of you? I don't even know right now.

[lane0168]

My kill pool is shos, Realeo, kraska

[lane0168]

Minus shos if that's stranded. Gotta check where nos is at?

[lane0168]

1. I was out last night - will get a VC up later today.

2. Vedith has requested replacement. Since we have plurality stranding, I don't see a need to extend the phase.

1- No VC posted. Not that it matters as nobody seems to have switched their votes.

2- Is this accurate? The phrasing makes me think Vedith may have requested an EXTENSION.

He requested replacement via PM.

How do you get that feeling? #2

[lane0168]

Shos is stranded by default as of now. Tied with nos at 4 I believe

[lane0168]

Generally when there's a replacement that close to deadline, they are extended or put on hold. Correct?

[lane0168]

There pretty much should be absolutely no voting.

Why?

I shot kraska

Scum are real and perev and??

I like how perev doesn't really do anything and now Realeo wants to work with him like he's town after that was his vote at the end of yesterday

[lane0168]

I barricaded due to lane's threat kill.

My kill pool is shos, Realeo, kraska

And your 3 scum choices?

And yours? You keep talking about people giving their 3. Seems like youd have yours out there already, what are you waiting for?

[lane0168]

There pretty much should be absolutely no voting.

Why?

I shot kraska

Scum are real and perev and??

I like how perev doesn't really do anything and now Realeo wants to work with him like he's town after that was his vote at the end of yesterday

And....?

And so his 3 town reads are dead, so he was right, and now he wants to work with his scum read? Don't make sense. How does being right make him start questioning his reads and then decide to work with his scum read?

[lane0168]

I like how perev doesn't really do anything and

now Realeo wants to work with him

like he's town after that was his vote at the end of yesterday

Ofcourse I want to work with him, it's lylo!

Look, the fact that my towny {Not_Chara,Kuroi,Almost50} are dead while Perev is still alive implies that

(1) either all three of them are shot by scum (how likely is this??)

(2) People actually scumreading them.

I mean, the fact that I am very off the popular opinion is a scary wake up call. Am I missing something? Am I being the idiot? Lane, we both played at Ari's Donner Party. At that game, I'm the only one who think that Jae_Reed can't be vig and Dunn must be scum. My scumhunting was briliant, but the underlying asumption is a disaster and I am the only one with the opinion. Wisdom of the crowd is not necesarrily correct, but it's a good starting point.

At D1, I worked with shos. Why not with pereV at D2? I am openist.

So being off the popular opinion, and being right, it's a wakeup call to what? That all of a sudden you must be wrong? I'm not following.

How is wisdom of the crowd better than being right? I'm just... Like wtf? The crowd thought different than you, and you were right, so... You're going to go with the crowd now?

[lane0168]

Ok, well I've never once seen someone be right on their town reads coming out of night, and with 6 people remaining ,choose their scumread to work with.

[lane0168]

So... You're town reading him for it?

[lane0168]

@realeo, just wanted to point out, you forgot shos in your townreads that are dead. So you're 4 for 4 in your townreads

[lane0168]

Remember he was scum flailing, then he responded like town and the flailing was a misunderstanding and you unvoted him cause he responded like town. Surprised you forgot that

[lane0168]

@realeo, what has perev done that you're reconsidering your scum read when you've been right with your town reads?

Pedit. If Realeo was scum, he'd just push perev, cause he's a mis strand?

[lane0168]

Lane, come on dude. Town try to cooperate with their scumreads all the time, not only because they might be wrong but because the interaction will help the sorting.

I've never seen scum fake that.

Cause it seems like you're town reading Realeo, and aren't considering Realeo/perev scum. It'd be easier if you had your reads out

[lane0168]

Cause it seems like you're town reading Realeo, and aren't considering Realeo/perev scum. It'd be easier if you had your reads out

Have you listed your top three yet? I'm guessing Pere/realeo from your last post, so who's your third?

Don't know. That's the "???"

[lane0168]

There pretty much should be absolutely no voting.

But why?

[lane0168]

There pretty much should be absolutely no voting.

But why?

One town on town vote and the scum can pile on.

Once into night, esp.without a plan, it's game over and town loses.

Would be pretty obvious who scum is. Even if they all were able to collaborate for a speed strand. There's 3. Highly doubtful.

Then you have 3 scum shooting the other 3 Townies. And Townies shooting the scum. Would be 50/50 who wins I guess. But ok I guess

[lane0168]

Cause it seems like you're town reading Realeo, and aren't considering Realeo/perev scum. It'd be easier if you had your reads out

Have you listed your top three yet? I'm guessing Pere/realeo from your last post, so who's your third?

Don't know. That's the "???"

Take a guess. You know there are three.[/quote]

#3?[/quote]

I don't know

[lane0168]

There pretty much should be absolutely no voting.

But why?

One town on town vote and the scum can pile on.

Once into night, esp.without a plan, it's game over and town loses.

Would be pretty obvious who scum is. Even if they all were able to collaborate for a speed strand. There's 3. Highly doubtful.

Then you have 3 scum shooting the other 3 Townies. And Townies shooting the scum. Would be 50/50 who wins I guess. But ok I guess

Bad math. Way worse than 50/50.

Ok well if that happens, from the player list. Highest town shoots highest scum, lowest town shoots lowest scum. Middle on middle.

There, no more fear of voting

[lane0168]

Right, the stranded would be left over for the win

[lane0168]

Lane, who would you say is playing scummy on purpose? anyone?

ideally strongarm would be trying to get lynched without looking like they wanted it

Realeo, I've never seen anyone so non commital in my life

[lane0168]

Oh man we're gonna have problems

You think real is

trying

to look scummy?

No, but if there was someone that fit for pisskop that's where I'd go

[lane0168]

you think im trying to look scummi

No, what infinity said lol

[lane0168]

Yeah, expedite your reads here

[lane0168]

1, not chara didn't say it was fake. Because it wasn't. He said there's a chance it was not genuine, and also said it could be genuine as scum. So how is it fake? And where did not chara call it fake.

2, you spent the most time talking about the setup and were most often heard saying, guys, let's stop talking about it. And then you kept talking about it. So yes, I did get a read from the setup spec talk if that's what you're insinuating

3, I feel a little broad? You town read everyone, and when you do have scum reads, you do everything you can do town read them. You'll do anything not to have a solid scum read you have to commit to.

[lane0168]

What could I do to help you feel better about me being town? Or is it just a PoE thing?

What is this crap? Find scum. That's how you look town. Why are you worried about looking town to Realeo? It's lylo, go find scum!

[lane0168]

#1 and #2 what?

[lane0168]

How do people get town read? What makes you town read people?

[lane0168]

Well I don't believe in a self sanity check.

Who are your scum reads that died? I don't remember any and all you said was that your townreads all died

[lane0168]

I am pleased with some of the death and dissatisfied with some of the death.

However,

Votecount 2.1

Not voting (7) - lane0168,

PeregrineV

, Inifinity, shaddowez, MagnaofIllusion, Realeo, pisskop

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to strand.

(expired on 2016-09-26 18:30:00) remain until day end

That is a black horse.

Idk. My towny {almost50,kuroi,not_chara} is ded and PeregineV flusters me. Let's work together if you're town and I'm wrong this whole time.

I like how perev doesn't really do anything and

now Realeo wants to work with him

like he's town after that was his vote at the end of yesterday

Ofcourse I want to work with him, it's lylo!

Look, the fact that my towny {Not_Chara,Kuroi,Almost50} are dead while Perev is still alive implies that

(1) either all three of them are shot by scum (how likely is this??)

(2) People actually scumreading them.

I mean, the fact that I am very off the popular opinion is a scary wake up call. Am I missing something? Am I being the idiot? Lane, we both played at Ari's Donner Party. At that game, I'm the only one who think that Jae_Reed can't be vig and Dunn must be scum. My scumhunting was briliant, but the underlying asumption is a disaster and I am the only one with the opinion. Wisdom of the crowd is not necesarrily correct, but it's a good starting point.

At D1, I worked with shos. Why not with pereV at D2? I am openist.

What is going on? Beginning of the day you said almost, not chara, and kuroi were all your town reads and they are all dead.

Then you flip and say kuroi is a town lean, and almost and not chara were just null?

You should keep your reads straight

[lane0168]

Ok I'm not doing this anymore. I need to know if there's even enough people considering a strand in Realeo. I don't know if it's just me but a lot of what he says honestly makes no sense to me. considering this is potentially last strand I'm not going to bother if there's no support for strand. That will be my kill spot though.

Consider me on Pere with pisskop

[lane0168]

Because you don't want to commit cause you know everyone you pressure for real is scum and you'll be wrong on all your scum reads. That's why you only have town reads, and when you scum read someone, you want to do everything to town read them.

And the point still stands. You haven't explained sufficiently why you had all those towny at the beginning of the day but then you had them at null. You said just like you try to see town in your scum reads (shos and pere) you try to see scum in your town reads. So... You had them towny at beginning of day, but then half way through today you decided youd see if they were a little bit scummy? After they already flipped town? That makes no sense. It's your reads not lining up with what you had before.

Towny people don't flip to null after they flip town

[lane0168]

It might be a gambit to make people less like to shoot within that threesome but that’s a pretty convoluted explanation at this point in time.

Hold on a second, is this a scum slip an or occam razom at its extreme?

This is still in play, btw.

I wouldn't be shocked if shos or kraska says this. That would be in character, although it will still raise a flag.

But MOI's is entirely shocking.

Let me try to explain this.

I have seen people make argument, followed by occam razor.

I think A and B are scum due to POE,

(argument)

but given the dynamic of A and B, it seems kinda impossible and a little bit too stratch.

(occam razor: he overrides the poe since the poee doesn't make senses.)

But I have never seen occam razor, followed by argument.

I very much doubt there is significant bussing going on at this point as scum simply needs to a +1 net kill on Town over scum from here on out to win the game.

(occam razor)

70 posts later..

First if Peregrine is scum you have a both Shaddow and Peregrine suspecting Infinity and Infinity also cross suspecting both of those.

(argument)

That is new for me. That is correct, extreme situations requires extreme call, but why prepare the extreme call in advance? If Godzilla attacks Tokyo, Shinzō Abe will definitely make extreme call, but do Shinzō Abe really prepare himself from Godzilla? Let alone Godzilla, they only start protecting themself from North Korea only after North Korea starts their missile trial.

Don't get me wrong, I have seen a lot of occam razor, followed by argument, but in Resistance

I don't think spy will propose another spy to create a mission with double spy. That's too risky.

In Resistance, this is more acceptable because spy also has an equilibrium to follow. But there is no exact equilibrium in mafia.

Spoiler: Little wager

Lane can't follow this post

Why does any of this matter? You're not going to push it, just filling the thread with crap. And even if you do push it, you'll just end up flipping your read with little reason.

How would it be a scum slip? Explain that part

[lane0168]

You haven't explained sufficiently why you had all those towny at the beginning of the day but then you had them at null. You said just like you try to see town in your scum reads (shos and pere) you try to see scum in your town reads. [*] So... You had them towny at beginning of day, but then half way through today you decided youd see if they were a little bit scummy? After they already flipped town? That makes no sense. It's your reads not lining up with what you had before.

Correct observation until the star.

Of course I try to see town in my scumreads and I also try to see scum in my townreads.

But my scumreads are getting stranded. Obviously I prioritize them first. But I don't abandon me trying to see scum in my townreads. For instance, I divert the topic two or three times about Vedith. I got feedback from Kuroi, I got feedback from Not_Chara. Why? Because I want to scumread my townread. But after that, it's over. Why? Because Vedith is not getting stranded.

Shos is in the spot light so I focus on him. He escaped, I go for the next player in the line, that will be peregineV. PeregineV didn't escape, but had he done, the next player in the line will be {vedith/kraska/nosferatu}

Fine, I don't care if you do it while they're alive. The fact is, you claimed you had town reads on 3 dead people at the beginning of the day, then claimed they were null reads. Towny=! Null. Towny =Town. You can tell because they use the same word. Your reads changed on people that already flipped town

[lane0168]

If am really trying, I will go all out like I did at shos.

Go all out like you did on shos? He made one post and you town read him for it. You didn't go all out whatsoever

[lane0168]

If you have problem with me throwing random idea, why complain now at D2? Why not at D1? I went 7 IRL days at D1 without attacking anyone. I made like 60+ posts during the first 7 days.

Why do you ask this? Your whole deal is scum reading your town reads, and town reading your scum reads. Why would you not know why people would reevaluate? After 7 dead towns? Do you wonder why other people would also reevaluate? Do you think you're the only one that can do that?

[lane0168]

No I'm not mason

[lane0168]

Which means shadow is mason

[lane0168]

Reading comprehension and logic.

Pisskop, PeregrineV, and shadow haven't claimed.

Pisskop wants PeregrineV dead.

Now from this we can deduce that any simple minded mason wouldn't want to stand their mason buddy.

Because we know pisskop wants to strand PeregrineV, we can assume pisskop and PeregrineV are not masons together.

Because they cannot be masons together, there must be another option for mason.

Because the only other option is shadow, I'd have to assume shadow is mason.

You seriously BOTH wondered that??? Wow

[lane0168]

I forgot the information that there are 2 masons left. I shouldn't have assumed you could figure that out yourselves. I'm sorry

[lane0168]

I forgot the information that there are 2 masons left. I shouldn't have assumed you could figure that out yourselves. I'm sorry

So you feel pisskops push on me is legitimate?

I'm unsure.

[lane0168]

I forgot the information that there are 2 masons left. I shouldn't have assumed you could figure that out yourselves. I'm sorry

So you feel pisskops push on me is legitimate?

How do you reach that conclusion?

[lane0168]

No no, I didn't exclude you from being masons. Just not mason's together since pk wants to strand you. What are you not understanding. Does it make sense for one mason to try to strand another Mason? From any point of view? Why are you playing dumb?

[lane0168]

What do you mean by legitimate? Do I think he really wanted to strand you? Yes

[lane0168]

Excellent but irrelevant point. You didn't answer the question

[lane0168]

Ok so you and pk are masons. Good talk

[lane0168]

I hope so. That was way too difficult and unnecessary

[lane0168]

Realeo infinity shadow.

[lane0168]

All that for a sigh. What honestly was the point of all that? How fucking frustrating.

[lane0168]

Are we ready to vote yet? Non masons have to pick 3 scum of 4 people left, shouldn't be that difficult to come to terms on 1.

1. Realeo
2. Shadow
3. Infinity

My ranked lynch preference. Add them all up. Lowest number wins (loses)

[lane0168]

Umm hello. You have to strand people by a majority. You act like scum can't manipulate a regular lynch. You want to do it the old fashioned way? Be my guest. I doubt you will, considering you hold a read like Jesus hold a grudge.

Fuckin acting like we're supposed to come up with some sort of full proof plan. You got one? No? Then shut up. I'm trying to consolidate reads so we can move on with this circus

[lane0168]

Umm hello. You have to strand people by a majority. You act like scum can't manipulate a regular lynch. You want to do it the old fashioned way? Be my guest.

Yes, that's what I am saying.

I rebuttaled shos' plan. As a result, we go back to classic "shoot as we want". Same standard here.

Yeah I spose. That way you don't have to put out any reads you don't have.

Did you see what happened with shoot as we want I might add? It was terrible.

And this has nothing to do with shooting. You just make your three choices, scum can't hide, like you're trying to do now, and we all strand

[lane0168]

It depends on town being right the same way any other regular lynch does.

It also shows where people are at. With their reads, scum have to put in scum, and hopefully town put in scum. Why are you afraid of putting out reads?

If we don't have a consensus at the end of it, it's not like anyone is forced to lynch the loser. It can change. But I'm not surprised you're refusing to give reads

[lane0168]

Pere, Am I correct in assuming that the obvious is true?

Probably

What's the obvious?! Secrets don't make friends. And I'm dying to know

[lane0168]

Did I miss something? Is this game canceled?

[lane0168]

No strand means no town goes unprotected

[lane0168]

I'm not sure. If you read everything, then that's everything. Pretty sure I had shos on there at some point. Why?

[lane0168]

Leaning towards stranding lane.

I don't think he is strongman, but I also can't rule him out as town.

@Lane-

your thoughts on being stranded?

I don't feel very good about it. I'd rather strand Realeo.

VOTE: realeo

[lane0168]

Pere and pk are garbage this game. Pere hasn't done shit. Pk is pk. Worst fucking masons ever. Pv would've been lynched by now if not mason.

VOTE: shadow will go back to real in an instant

[lane0168]

I don't know. MOI has been attacking everyone (except me) but (except infinity) no one really moves on. Lane still votes me and Shadow still votes infinity without trying to guess the whole scum team but wouldn't budge at MOI's attack.

I can't translate if this scum ignoring town or just town tunnel vision.

I have moi as town. I have you infinity and shadow as scum. I've already said that. Shadow has made his 3 scum picks too I believe. I don't think you yourself has.

[lane0168]

VOTE: Infinity

Contact me if anyone want to vote MOI.

Infinity voted moi. Now you vote me. You make no sense.

[lane0168]

So I am having trouble.

Assume that my lane not with shadow combo is right.

That dictates

{lane,infinity,MOI} or {shadow,infinity,MOI}

but that would imply some serious one-way bussing. Cross-bussing? Normal. One-way bussing? What is the scum motivation?

@Masons:

I'm not commital anymore. Can you nominate the second goon? If I think the second goon is worse, I will sheep lane. If you want town to sheep you, you need to tell your thinking process.

There is 100% without a doubt bussing going on. It's mathematically impossible not to. Why are you confused about one way bussing? Why is that less likely than cross bussing? Scum motivation is the same in both

[lane0168]

And wtf? You just said you'll sheep me and now you're voting me? God damn why do people not see through your bs?! This is ridiculous

[lane0168]

Don't even respond. I won't even be able to comprehend you talking in weird justification circles

[lane0168]

It's not hard. You find one town. The rest are scum.

[lane0168]

... Harder for scum... Gotta get your strongman or town lynched best case scenario

[lane0168]

If people are making their list of 3 scum. Then yes, there is bussing. Considering most of my all have made their list of 3 scum. Then yes, there is bussing. How am I wrong?

[lane0168]

Of course scum probably are bussing since Shaddow is voting Infinity and Lane is voting Shaddow. Note that Infinity will not move to either Lane or Shaddow. No benefit to actually stranding a partner unless they are the Strongman. This, BTW, makes me think Lane is most likely to be the Strongman.

Actually scratch this - the unwillingness for scum to bus Lane make me think he is the other Goon. Because if he was Town with both Masons parked on him like it was a premium valet spot Downtown you would think scum would be all over stranding him. But no-one wants to go there.

But no-one wants to go there.

Hmmmm ... need to rethink my stance on not moving my vote ...

Haha yes! Cause scum want to scum claim when everyone has a vig. Theres no way they'd jump all over any lynch

[lane0168]

Yeah that's true. I was kinda still in the mindset we were talking early day about one vote and 3 scum jumping on. That wouldn't be an issue.

The way you explain it though makes it seem like scum have a sure thing. They still aren't going to out themselves needlessly. That brings their chances of winning down significantly

[lane0168]

Can't fault you for that. Id vote for the masons too. If they were voting Realeo or yourself

[lane0168]

Oh stop lol

[lane0168]

It's not gonna matter. All scum has to do is shoot one of the masons. The other two will barricade. I'll be dead and the other two town can't kill all 3 scum.

[lane0168]

Theyll only have to kill 2 scum. But that's not possible with a barricade anyways

[lane0168]

why are you so eager to lynch just this one person.

IF you were town, you would have 3 scumreads.

Says the town who's only willing to lynch one person... As youve proven, town can be eager to lynch just one person. And apparently don't need 3 scum reads

[lane0168]

Stranding Town leaves 3 shots for town, 3 shots for scum

Stranding strongman leaves 4 shots for town ,3 shots for scum.

Why would scum want to strand strongman. I don't get it.

[lane0168]

You dont get why its beneficial for scum to hop onto a wagon that wont hurt them to prosecute?

fuck off lane.

That's not what you said. You don't get why scum would want 3 town shots instead of 4?

[lane0168]

You don't ever tell me to fuck

[lane0168]

I guess it could be Realeo moi and shadow. But I doubt it.

[lane0168]

Possible though. Moi had barely considered realeo

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Neither did shadow or infinity though really

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I think you are sucm tho

That wasn't a gambit? Like perev's who is mason ordeal? Was thinking you still had the town read.

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Oh shit son lol

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Obviously not. He killed shadow. The better question is why let a mason get stranded lol. Good play

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Lol

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Once they got into it, there wasn't much they could do. The three changing their story would have looked like scum to magna. Tricksy play usually isn't a good idea IMO. Wasn't in this case anyway.

Why did they get into at all? And sacrifice a mason? How foolish?

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Why not what?

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Is there some reason perev and shadow basically let pk masquerade as a mason? Without scum reading that? Seems odd

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Yeah shadow was the only one I thought we could get a lynch on. Turns out we were right. Him being mason was just a fantastic bonus

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Persivul, its an honor to have been in your game for my first scum win. Maybe only one I'll ever have

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Dead thread

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Mafia topic
Mason topic
Dead thread

Wow sorry not sure how I missed it

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VOTE: epod~lady also want to be sexist before the art of sexism is lost to this world forever. People will write in history books, quoting this post as past examples of sexism, and I will live on in infamy

Wanted to counter claim masons. Going through looking for something that looked like a crumb. Thought my first post would've worked.

Masons are historical and only let men in so their sexist. Could've worked eh? Lol

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I'm not sure how you can defend the play of not claiming masons. It got a mason stranded. Shadow was basically the only player that I thought we could get a strand on. If shadow was known mason that would've been impossible. I'm not sure how you can describe it as anything other than terrible.

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So in the end, scum killed 4 people?

Town killed 6?

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Pv, why do you still think it was good to not claim mason? A mason was stranded. That proves it was a bad play. If shadow just claims mason like normal people claim mason, the strand would've been scum. What good came out of that plan?

You guys honestly fucked yourselves. Sorry moi you got a raw deal

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The object of the game is not to just strand the not-strongman, but to also strand not-town.

Yup. And your stupid decision not to clearly claim allowed just that.

Yes, we allowed YOU + the unknown-to-town scumteam to hammer by telling you NOT to vote him.

Why do you think people should listen to you? Cause you're mason? That doesn't mean you're right. You know what he would've listened to? Even the scum would've listened if shadow was mason lol

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You act like moi lost it cause he had a bad scum read. Or rather a good not strongman read.

But you guys are the one who let a mason get lynched, and all you said was no don't lynch him, as if that's supposed to hold any weight with anyone

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You let a mason get stranded!!! What did you gain by not claiming? Absolutely nothing except a check in the loss column. If you may claim, scum most likely would've been stranded. What are you not understanding?

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Lol zero (0) town would've voted shadow if you weren't playing idiotically

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It wouldn't have been an OPTION if you just claimed. And if pk was scum? And I'm town? Still a good play? You had no way of knowing.

Why can't scum bus? He did think scum was bussing. He said I was probably scum with infinity

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No, all you HAD was being mason, and you didn't even do that

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Who gets lynched if shadow is mason?

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Again, just because you're mason doesn't mean you're right. You think you're right because you ended up being right. And you can defend your play and tell moi he's wrong because his reads were wrong.

That doesn't make the masons play right, or a good play whatsoever

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What he thought was on the wagon was himself, town, and scum. He told you he was shooting whoever was stranded. You did nothing to stop him

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One simple question. Does a mason get stranded and killed by town? No. Not if they claimed

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Who gets lynched if shadow is mason?

Shadow.

unless infinity hamemrs lane, or MoI hamemrs lane.

No. Shadow doesn't get stranded. You're still playing dumb. That lost you the game.

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It wouldn't have been an OPTION if you just claimed. And if pk was scum? And I'm town? Still a good play? You had no way of knowing.

Why can't scum bus? He did think scum was bussing. He said I was probably scum with infinity

Why would scum bus? it's a purality.

Why would mason allow themselves to be stranded? Its confirmed town. You think scum bussing is more unbelievable than masons letting a mason get stranded? Lol. Never in my wildest dreams would I believe masons would let themselves get stranded

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Literally all you had to do was claim for real. You didn't. You lost. I'll reword it.

Do you think shadow gets lynched if he claims mason? No. Never. Shadow was THE ONLY person we had a chance at stranding. And you let it happen lol.

But you're right. That was the right play

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You're saying you did the right thing, based on someone else having wrong reads. That's wrong.

I still don't get what you gained from it.

Anyways. Scum dominated. We're the best of all time

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What? You don't think it would be different if shadow was claimed mason, and I got stranded? Lol... What?

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Well it's just a guess, but I don't think moi would still be voting for shadow.

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Well it's just a guess, but I don't think moi would still be voting for shadow.

Oh, he would have changed his vote to you?

Can you guarantee he wasn't scum?

Yes. He said he was considering it.

Yeah I can guarantee he wasn't scum.

And you could've guaranteed shadow wasnt scum. But you didn't

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lane0168 is shot by PV
Almost50 by MoI
Epod~lady is shot by shaddowez
KuroiXHF by shos
Realeo by vedith
Nosferatu by kraska

pisskop stranded

I barricade.

Real shoots whoever. Vedith shoots whoever

7 town to 3 scum. With 1 confirmed town. Our 8 town 3 scum, no information.

Then you wanted to flip it?

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Plus you were wrong. Game wasn't over after night 1 lol