The Thing Mafia - Game over!

[Spiffeh]

i am tempted to go on ahead of you spyrex.
i don't think i could deal with another day of spiffeh if i was alive tomorrow.

this is unbearable.
its not going to stop either.

Firebringer continues to rely on AtE to sway people in his favor.

[Spiffeh]

Whatever I'm done unless another vote on SpyreX drops

Then I'll be raging all over again

2 of Wraith, EP, and Skybird need to vote for Firebringer.

[Spiffeh]

If you're town I will be the first to admit I misread you

But I had perfectly fucking valid reasons in doing so given everything you did yesterday

I will reevaluate if you flip town and hopefully figure out who the remaining scum are

[Spiffeh]

If you're town I will be the first to admit I misread you

But I had perfectly fucking valid reasons in doing so given everything you did yesterday

I will reevaluate if you flip town and hopefully figure out who the remaining scum are

YOU COULDN'T JUST TRUST MY FUCKING READ FOR ONCE HUH?

Nope sorry

If he flips town I will be more willing to listen going forward

But given all of his play yesterday he had to die today

[Spiffeh]

You're correct I death tunnel the people I think are scum.

And all the reasons for you being scum are/were there

You can blame it on my ego but if you got your way yesterday Andrius wouldn't have been lynched

Sooooooooooo

[Spiffeh]

Humans' Reference

Rooms

Laboratory

: ErrantParabola, MariaR

Rec Room

: Wraith, Skybird, MoI

Kitchen

: Spiffeh

Kennels

: UT, SpyreX, Peregrine

Living Quarters

: EMPTY

Radio Room

: EMPTY

Infirmary

: EMPTY

Actions

ErrantParabola Watches the Rec Room
MariaR protects ErrantParabola
Skybird does whatever
MoI Sabotages ???
Spiffeh Commutes
SpyreX does whatever
PeregrineV blocks the Living Quarters

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This should ensure everyone in the bloc stays alive. Someone check to make sure this is the most efficient thing we can do.

[Spiffeh]

I want to make a compilation of all the times people have said "THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING" and then pair it with all the times it didn't happen

You'd think people would get the hint that no one gives a shit about their opinions and they aren't in charge of anything, but I guess being dumb is a pretty powerful drug

You have been very helpful this game pls keep it up

[Spiffeh]

hi I will prob get to this after the holiday

[Spiffeh]

hi I'm here but I still have to try and figure things out because I don't have any solid scum reads anymore and I haven't read the last two pages

I'll get to that hopefully soon

BUT I really want MoI to reveal who he targeted these past few nights (or quote where he has done so) because I don't think he ever said that?

[Spiffeh]

Sorry I'll do this tonight

[Spiffeh]

Hey so I am extremely apathetic about this game (although it's mostly just mafia in general) and I have no idea who the remaining scum are

Like I want to trust in the town bloc but Skybird in particular hasn't really done anything to warrant being included in it which has me mostly rethinking eveything

That along my lack of confidence in it being as easy as SpyreX and UT

Sorry for being really useless today

I'll hammer SpyreX before deadline and maaaaaybe figure stuff out over Night?

[Spiffeh]

rn I'm at the point where I refuse to believe MoI is scum and if he is then the game should just be called now

I have strong strong doubts that Maria is scum

The rest are a crapshot mostly

I want to believe Wraith and EP are town but Firebringer flipping town really fucks things up in terms of my reads and I haven't taken the time to read back and reevaluate

[Spiffeh]

I really do feel bad for being completely absent but like I really don't have a clue anymore

[Spiffeh]

I want EP to watch our room because MoI needs to not die.

[Spiffeh]

I hope I'm not being bamboozled

[Spiffeh]

My immediate thought is that UT and EP are scum because I can't fathom a world where Maria or MoI are scum

[Spiffeh]

MoI gave a decent explanation in the room last night for blocking you that I'll let him explain.

Where did everyone end up going?

MoI and I were in the Rec Room (which we coordinated through our neighborhood).

[Spiffeh]

Did EP announce which room they were planning to watch in the Lab?

[Spiffeh]

Toogeloo basically sacrificing himself early on to ensure Maria wouldn't get Goatmeal's vig shot makes it very unlikely that she is scum with them. Plus her tone throughout the game as well as her behavior around the Firebringer lynch just looks transparently town.

Still pretty rock solid on my MoI town read as well; I am the slightest bit paranoid that he hasn't successfully blocked a kill but literally everything else points to him being town, especially drafting the same number as Andrius.

[Spiffeh]

Here is something I wrote to MoI in the Rec Room on Night 7 (paraphrased). I also added a few things. I was going to share these thoughts Day 8 but the topic was locked before I was able to post:

"Right now I am most confident that UT is scum

My other possibilities at this point are Skybird and EP

[Omitted stuff about Maria which I shared in my previous post and Wraith who is now dead]

Something from Day 1 still bothering me was that UT comes out of the blue pushing for a Toogeloo all of a sudden, and we've already determined that scum wanted to save Goatmeal so UT bussing Toogeloo would go along with that plan of action for scum. I realize that Toogeloo basically scum claimed but if the scum team's agenda was to keep Goatmeal alive, UT was basically abiding by that plan the whole day. He is constantly on the Goatmeal counter wagon Day 1.

Then he hammers Andrius after saying basically nothing about him throughout the game but goes on to support the "Deplorables" (lol) like he's urging them to continue going after me as if to set them up as future mislynches.

In DEFCON (where I was scum with UT), I noticed that his only 'passionate' push was on his scumbuddy which pretty much propelled him to endgame. I can see him doing a similar thing here with Goatmeal early on and then Andrius. I think it's weird that he is useless all game and then hops on scum lynches twice out of nowhere?"

So yeah my vote is likely going on UT today.

I don't really have a reason to scum read EP other than PoE. I know I was paranoid about them early-to-mid game so I'll check back and see what that was all about.

The bottom line is that I pretty much refuse to accept that Maria or MoI are scum, at least for today.

[Spiffeh]

In DEFCON (where I was scum with UT), I noticed that his only 'passionate' push was on his scumbuddy which pretty much propelled him to endgame. I can see him doing a similar thing here with Toogeloo early on and then Andrius. I think it's weird that he is useless all game and then hops on scum lynches twice out of nowhere?"

Fixed this; said Goatmeal when I meant Toogeloo.

[Spiffeh]

Also in case it wasn't obvious no one should vote until MoI checks in with his result and other thoughts.

[Spiffeh]

Also assuming we haven't lost after today's lynch, I think there's a way where we can block the nightkill/clear someone going into tomorrow.

In the case that UT is lynched and flips scum:
MoI and MariaR go to Lab
I go to Rec Room
EP goes to Kitchen

Maria protects MoI.

The only way for Maria and MoI to die is if one of them is scum and uses the Strongman 1-Shot. If either of them die, the other is confirmed to be the final scum. Additionally, if a kill goes through on either myself or EP, we know that whoever MoI sabotaged is clear. This is true regardless of Maria and MoI's alignment.

This plan is only useful if both of them are town but ensures that we win if that is the case.

Because even if I am mislynched the following day, EP can be sabotaged that night and lynched the next Day (as long as no one goes to the same room as him in case scum's 1-Shot Strongman is still in play)

[Spiffeh]

Someone check that for glaring flaws.

So yeah in case it wasn't obvious UT is currently my preferred lynch for today. I want to hear what everyone else is thinking.

[Spiffeh]

UT what room were you in and was Skybird with you?

[Spiffeh]

The biggest danger is EP-scum not following the plan and Strongman killing you via going to the Rec Room.

This isn't a danger because in that case you and Maria would just lynch EP the next day right?

[Spiffeh]

Ok when EP checks in and shares their thoughts I'll probably be voting for UT unless anyone has any objections

I really don't see myself being convinced that he's town

[Spiffeh]

UT do want to even venture a guess as to who the remaining scum are?

Or like, anyone you have confident town reads?

[Spiffeh]

I mean that doesn't really make a difference to me because if you're town we'll lose anyway

[Spiffeh]

Because if you are town I'd prefer if you'd try to convince me I'm wrong

Like I'm perfectly willing to hear out anyone who thinks I'm wrong about Maria or MoI

[Spiffeh]

What do you think of EP's most recent post?

[Spiffeh]

remember that time this game when Andy got out big neon signs that said "UT IS MY BEST FRIEND LOOK HOW BEST FRIENDS WE ARE I CAN'T POSSIBLY BUDDY HIM ANY HARDER" and then pointed them at me

like, not even as a meta point, but if you think I'd sign off on my scumbuddy doing that you're just insulting me, bruh

Eh, Andy also defended you in the neighborhood when I said I wanted you lynched the next day. Scum was down to 3 really early on so I don't think it would be out of the ordinary for scum!Andy to try to protect his buddy when they were at such a disadvantage.

[Spiffeh]

EP how do you feel about MoI's reason for sabotaging you?

[Spiffeh]

MoI if you had to pick between EP or UT today who would you lynch?

I'm hoping it ultimately doesn't matter but ngl Maria's lack of a presence during LYLO is making me the slightest bit paranoid

[Spiffeh]

MoI if you had to pick between EP or UT today who would you lynch?

I'm hoping it ultimately doesn't matter but ngl Maria's lack of a presence during LYLO is making me the slightest bit paranoid

Because I'm 100% scared for my life
I've never been in a lylo as town besides 1 time when I was the one hammering so my head is going into major "what if mode"
It doesn't really excuse my lack of talking I just...aaaaaaaaa

Can you say where your head is at right now?

[Spiffeh]

Like even if you are at a loss it would still be a lot more helpful for you to talk it out

[Spiffeh]

What do you think of EP's play today?

What about mine?

Did either of our contributions today sway you in a any direction at all?

[Spiffeh]

Ok good I won't have to make a decision now

If you're town that's a terrible vote tho and you should unvote

[Spiffeh]

Like I'm gonna complain to you if you're actually town because I was just coming around to EP/Maria as a scum team

[Spiffeh]

Not completely

But as a possibility

Why would that be a surprise to you?

[Spiffeh]

I don't understand the relevance of that gif

[Spiffeh]

Maria I have made it abundantly clear that your play today has been making me paranoid so again that shouldn't be a surprise to you?

I asked MoI who he'd prefer to lynch out of UT and EP because I was still not deadest on them being the scum team. If I was certain they were both scum I wouldn't continue to stall out the lynch

You're fooling yourself if you think this is a sudden change of heart lmao

[Spiffeh]

What thought process is this
I think it's really unlikely for Maria to be scum
*gets voted*
Wow and I was just starting to think Maria could be scum
??????????????????????????????????

Ok let me get this straight

You're saying as scum, when I'm put in the hotseat, I would immediately try to alienate the people I need to vote with me so I don't get lynched?

[Spiffeh]

Hey you just had a change of heart based on my play when you were previously saying that UT was really your only lynch option?

Why can't I do the same to you?

Your outrage at that statement is ridiculous.

[Spiffeh]

Because that post was so fucking bad
I talk outloud when I type yeah
I can not say half the words I am typing because I am stuttering by you making such a post like that like holy fuck man

If you're town and that post is the reason I am ultimately lynched you completely deserve the loss you've subjected us to, sorry.

Especially given my play this entire game has been so OBVIOUSLY town.

Why don't you go ISO me and try to make something of it instead of being OMG SPIFFEH WTF THAT WAS SO SCUMMY for one NAI post?

[Spiffeh]

What thought process is this
I think it's really unlikely for Maria to be scum
*gets voted*
Wow and I was just starting to think Maria could be scum
??????????????????????????????????

Ok let me get this straight

blah blah blah wifom blah blah wifom

ftfy

Also no you don't get to write this off as WIFOM

UT is likely getting lynched today over me by EVERYONE in the game. If I'm scum there is no reason to risk this. This is a factual statement and writing it off as meaningless is ridiculous.

[Spiffeh]

MEEEEEEEEEEEE
OH ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT COST US THE GAME


I FUCKING WONDER WHAT COMES TO MIND

I was wrong about Firebringer yes

But you wanted to lynch like SpyreX instead of him soooooo?

Andrius probably doesn't get lynched EVER without me

Your turn.

[Spiffeh]

UT there's no reason for me to do that yet.

If you're town the game is over anyway when the remaining scum coordinate their hammer on me.

When that doesn't happen, I will gladly vote you.

The fact that you're acting like you have a leg to stand on with any of these arguments is p. funny actually

[Spiffeh]

Maria that's why I want you to go back and ISO me and especially my interactions with flipped scum.

Your reaction to my one post is very worrisome and if you're town I don't want you to make a hasty decision based on that when there's a wealth of information in the form of my ISO at your disposal.

[Spiffeh]

now would be a good time to try to talk me into moving my vote to EP though

instead of just whining about how town you are

Nah this way if you're town and we lose the blame is squarely on your shoulders

But again EP is mostly my PoE pick at this point. I refuse to believe MoI is scum. Before today I didn't really see you and Maria being a plausible scum team (although I have to consider it now). I think EP's play today is not that of a town player trying to figure stuff out. While Maria is acting similarly, she has the benefit of not making too much sense as scumbuddies with the flipped scum.

I also think a few of EP's posts early on today look more like he's trying to seem helpful instead of actually BEING helpful. For instance:

hold on. asking the mod something

wait no.
so i got no result? like no PM. other than one telling me I got food.
magna roleblocked me.

which is baffling. obviously.
i watched the rec room, so i wouldn't have gotten a result, but still, actually insane

The first one is really unnecessary to say as town? You can just ask the mod a question without broadcasting it to a thread? I think it's more likely that they made that post so they could say "look at me I'm trying to figure things out!"

Another thing about this string of posts that bothers me is that they never really revisit the MoI issue until prompted by my question. I feel like they noticed that the general flow of the game was gravitating towards myself or UT and no one was really considering MoI, so they decided that not going against the grain would look better for their image.

[Spiffeh]

@Maria I'd like your thoughts on that ^

[Spiffeh]

Let's see how many people can conveniently forget that I had the strongest hand in both the Goatmeal and Andrius lynches. You can't try to make a push on me without addressing either of those.

And before the "you bussed in DEFCON!!!!!", DEFCON was a COMPLETELY different style of game entirely, as MoI should be able to confirm. In a game where it only took one player to suspect you for you to get shot, it was essential to bus the scumbuddies that weren't going to make it far and thrive off of that town cred. If you look at my normal scum games such as PYP and A Song of Ice and Fire, I am actually more likely to either ignore my scumbuddies or hardcore defend them (in the case of GreyICE in PYP and TSO in A Song of Ice and Fire). I am happy to link these games if anyone wants to indulge.

I'll respond to specific things in EP's posts now.

[Spiffeh]

Like as much as people (probably the scum) will want to write off "why would I hardcore advocate for the lynches of all three flipped scum" as WIFOM, it's really fucking stupid to not STRONGLY consider that I am probably the player most responsible for the Goatmeal and Andrius lynches and had a pretty big hand in the Toogeloo lynch as well.

I don't care if this sounds like ego stroking, it's the truth.

[Spiffeh]

We address the dynamic that's happening in this list right now. Maria wants UT dead. Spiffeh pretty emphatically wants UT dead. Magna as well. The fact that UT hasn't been lynched already isn't town thinking to me, as a collective. I think that two scum are in this three {MoI, Maria, Spiffeh}. Yes. And I'm still townreading Maria and Magna and I don't know what to do, but yes, I think Spiffeh is most likely scum in this group. The reason I think that scum is in that three is because here's a glaring inconsistency between writing and action. Everyone is saying that UT is scum and they intend to vote UT, and this has not happened yet.

You're not stupid enough to pass this off as believable. First of all, I'm pretty sure MoI listed you as his preference for a lynch today. So you're wrong when you say that all three of us have collectively decided that UT is the lynch today. You're literally takubg issue with the fact that WE HAVEN'T RUSHED THINGS IN LYLO and passing it off as a means to clear UT. There is obviously still discussion going on. MoI is currently V/LA and Maria seems to want to talk to him. I can't believe you would actually find it sketchy on the behalf of the three of us that a UT lynch hasn't happened yet.

[Spiffeh]

Spiffeh's response to why he's stalling out the lynch is that he only thinks that one scum is in UT and I, and that he's paranoid that it might be Maria without making any actual conclusions. He says he's made it "abundantly clear that he's paranoid about Maria" and this is bullshit. I have an extremely hard time believe Spiffeh transitions from "refusing to believe Maria is scum" to "Maria might be scum" because of "not being present during LYLO" because that's basically an invalid reason to scumread someone weighing against multiple valid reasons to townread someone. I think that this interaction is contrived on at least one side.

Unsurprisingly, this is also bullshit coming from you. You say you find my transition from town reading Maria to being paranoid is invalid.

Please consider the following quotes from your ISO:

Spiffeh
I am really glad that you are on this game and town
I dont onow if i have ever told you but you are a fucking mafia god
I thin kim going to nominate you for the prodigy acummy or something
I dont remember what its called?
Paragon? Something atarting with a p

1) Spiffeh and Wraith, who were already strong townreads, look town.

Spiffeh- town, for reasons i've detailed on multiple occasions i think

spiffeh wagon is seriously whack, its a 180 based on no sound reasoning at all

You state multiple times that you are certain I am town, similarly to how I've discussed Maria in the past. So why is it completely unacceptable for me to be paranoid of Maria today for her absence despite my reasons to town read her, but you're allowed to feel the same way about me? I'll give you a hint: Because it's LYLO. Because we don't have anymore mislynches and have to explore all options to make sure we hit scum today. You calling me into question is fine and expected. But acting like my paranoia is a point against me in this instance is bullshit. You had even more confidence that I was town than I did for Maria, but your 180 in your opinion of me is ok and me being a little paranoid of Maria is somehow scummy.

[Spiffeh]

The rest is basically rehashing what you said previously. There's a lot of emphasis on the fact that lynching UT is doing the same thing as lynching FA and SpyreX which resulted in mislynches.

This day is pretty much nothing like the previous days. It's not like we're all saying "oh well UT is next in line let's just settle for him". You fail to consider the fact that I have elaborated significantly on why I find it unlikely that MoI and to a lesser extent Maria are scum. Why don't you address the reasons I gave for feeling better about them than about you or UT? You obviously know this is a PoE game at this point so it's weird that you can't see this is how I'm handling it. Your characterization of this day being like previous days where we mislynched holds no water.

So yeah EP is scum. Their push on me is bullshit and they're obviously more concerned with making me look bad than actually finding scum.

EP has come into the day with the intent of pushing me as a mislynch instead of looking at the whole game and trying to figure things out. There is no paranoia or second guessing I'd expect from a town player in LYLO. The posts are manufactured to push an agenda and don't reflect a player who's genuinely trying to game solve.

I look forward to hearing Maria's and MoI's thoughts on these posts.

And UT if he actually decides we're worthy of his effort.

[Spiffeh]

I'd also like EP to elaborate on why he thinks UT is town other than him being a "universal scum read". And why these reasons are more compelling then the reasons you've been town reading myself, Maria, and MoI ALL GAME.

This is the issue with EP. The confidence in their opinions today don't at all line up how they've treated me throughout the game. Had they attempted to interact with me/anyone else, had visible paranoia and hesitance because of LYLO, or gave consideration to how they were feeling FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE REST OF THE GAME in their recent posts, the resulting push would be more believable.

But given that they just come out with these unprecedented opinions without visibly trying to work it all out makes it really obvious this push isn't genuine.

[Spiffeh]

Not my fault scummier people presented themselves. If that's what I've been doing why don't you try to refute the reasons I have for scum reading you? Clearly they're not genuine in your eyes!!!

Also that's pretty bullshit. MoI can attest that I've been presenting you as a lynch in the neighborhood since like Day 2-3 and was pretty much shot down by everyone. Similar things took place in the thread.

UT once again has to piggy back off someone else voicing suspicion of me without acknowledging my actual posts and content.

That is literally the only card you have, keep playing it.

[Spiffeh]

MoI when you return please state your preference between lynching EP or UT.

[Spiffeh]

Ok UT Let's take a stroll down memory lane.

Days 1-2: Scum are lynched. I decide that my reads are looking pretty decent and decide to continue lynching down my list of scum reads (which included Gen X and McMenno at the time iirc). You were null at this point.
Day 3: Gen X is lynched. McMenno is already dead. I am at a loss and need to reevaluate.
Day 4: drealmerz was lynched and I was literally absent for like the whole day.
Day 5: I vote you right out the gate and make this post:

Paraphrasing from neighborhood:

UT is the one I want to lynch today. He's the only person itg that hasn't given me any town vibes throughout the whole game.

His reaction to me trying to push him was to discredit me and his defending himself against that push came across 10 times more passionate than anything he's said all game
I even urge people to look at what I said about you here:

Wraith did you read what I said about UT?

I ultimately swap from you to
The only real place I remember him pushing something with some semblance of "caring' was when he went after Toog for planning to go against the plan. If you'll remember, it is very likely scum WANTED Toog to take the fall for Goatmeal so they could get their shot off. that level of commitment to get rid of Toog doesn't really jive with the rest of his apathetic ISO and makes sense as scum trying to save the buddy with the vig shot while simultaneously getting credit for Toog's scum flip

On top of that, he pushes a town counter wagon to Goatmeal (Double Trouble) all of Day 1.

I know he'll continue to say shit like:

VOTE: UT

Bring it on queerbait

and you'll all be like "aw we love UT he's such a jokester" but please realize that he has done similar shit like this all game to diffuse pressure anyone tries to put on him.

He's at the VERY LEAST should be a PoE suspect for everyone and shouldn't be allowed to live any longer

I even ask someone to weigh in on what I said about you:

Wraith did you read what I said about UT?

I ultimately end up hopping off your wagon and pushing the Andrius lynch that day. You've claimed that I have been grooming you for a mislynch for LYLO. So you're suggesting that I stop going after you in favor of bussing my universally town read buddy to the ground all so I can keep you as a future mislynch.
Days 6-7: FA and SpyreX were on the counter wagon to flipped scum and needed to die (note I wasn't even present for SpyreX's lynch).
Day 8: NL occurred before I had a chance to post.

So this whole "Spiffeh is setting me up as a mislynch" fabrication you're trying to push is complete bullshit. There were always candidates more worthy of rope than you in my eyes. For this story to be true, I would have had to have keeping you as mislynch bait higher on my priority list than allowing my universally town read scumbuddy to live. I shouldn't have to tell everyone why that doesn't make any sense.

[Spiffeh]

@Maria and MoI

It should be throwing a tremendous amount of red flags that EP and UT are both scum reading me for bullshit reasons. I have dismantled their arguments and proven that they don't hold any water. I find it really hard to believe that both of them could be this wrong and this stupid as town, especially when I have a pantheon of evidence in being town this game that they refuse to consider. This should be very indicative of an EP/UT scum team, and it is where I am currently leaning.

Very early on this day I stated my reasons for town reading Maria and MoI. I think it's very likely that a scum team of UT and EP identified that it would be hard for them to convince me to lynch either of you, so they decided that they're best bet at winning this LYLO was to convince you guys to go after me. That would explain EP's sudden and forced scum read of me and UT fabricating an agenda that clearly was not present.

[Spiffeh]

EP I take solace in the fact that you were shaking in your boots as you typed that response

[Spiffeh]

Don't worry I made it really easy for you.

As long as your read everything.

[Spiffeh]

"I lynched scum"Yeah, actually I can conveniently ignore that fact, considering that you are fully aware that I know you bussed in defcon (judging from how you preemptively referred to it). Because PSST PSST self-meta judging on whether or not you like to bus or not is less than useless. That has no bearing on whether or not you're scum. I'm not using the fact that you pushed scum against you because that doesn't make sense (unlike you)

AGAIN, it's ridiculous that this isn't something you'd take into consideration. You write off my participation in scum lynches as "oh you could be bussing" when those pushes were a lot of the basis for town reading me in the first place. I understand some questioning of me in LYLO, but for there to be no acknowledgement of your town read on me in the first place makes it really hard to believe it's genuine.

"EP thinks that taking time in LYLO is scummy"Hmm. not really, and I might have been a little unclear on this. You passed yourself off as a lot more confident in UT being scum than you actually acted to be. I'm not "taking issue with the fact that you didn't rush in LYLO." I'm taking issue with the fact that you have repeatedly said "there is no way I'm not voting UT today" and "yeah, I don't see a world where UT isn't scum" and I take issue with the fact that it is very strongly giving off the impression that everyone expects UT to die today and yet people were pretending like maybe they were considering were other lines of play.

There's no way you as town would conceivably try to pass this off as a point against me. Even if I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that UT is scum, I am self aware enough to know that I've been wrong in the past and it would be much more beneficial to let people talk (like Maria wants to with MoI) and constantly reevaluate. You know I'm experienced player, I have been in LYLO many times, and I've seen hasty votes end in town losses. You're throwing shit at a wall and hoping some of it sticks. Passing it off as "not matching actions to words" is still a way to take issue with the fact that I haven't voted UT yet despite it being suboptimal play as town.

Also, Maria has mentioned multiple times that she is very likely going to vote for UT today, but still hasn't. So why am I the only one that you're applying this argument to? Oh, probably because I'm your only mislynch option left and you need to cater your arguments to me so you have a shot at ending the game here!

"Because EP 180'd on Spiffeh, that means that I can be paranoid on Maria without being called out on it"Except you can't, because your reasoning on that is "Maria isn't participating in LYLO, and also I kinda see a world where Maria and EP are partners but I'm not gonna elaborate on that" and both of those are bad reasons.

First of all, here you act like your flip on me and my "flip" on Maria are even close to similar. I didn't flip on Maria. I have maintained throughout the day that I will not be lynching her or MoI today. I became paranoid of her for being absent and scolded her when she overreacted to a NAI post I made. You went from vocally town reading me for the whole game to wanting me lynched over everyone in LYLO.

And being absent LYLO is a completely valid cause for concern. I think scum are more likely to lurk in LYLO:
1. to feel out the most likely mislynch and structure their posts around that (i.e. what you're doing to me).
2. because a town player might make a hasty decision and vote another town player, where they can easily hammer and win the game.
3. to make sure they don't lock themselves into opinions that make it implausible to get a mislynch.
4. to go overlooked and hope town fight amongst themselves.

So no, my reason for being paranoid of Maria are not invalid like you're trying to pass them off as.

"EP is scum because agenda-pushing"1. This actually only works if you refute my points. Blanket statements about me sounding manufactured don't fly here so don't pass them off as line-by-line2. Hell yeah I'm pushing an agenda. Hell yeah I obviously want UT to vote Spiffeh with me. I think you're scum and I think UT is town. This is like the same arg as "ooh survivalist play is scummy" because no, it's not. the game is on the fucking line.

Lol do you think denying that I tore your bullshit case apart will make people more likely to side with you?
And you're dodging my main issue, which is that you're pushing an agenda THAT DOESN'T COME FROM TOWN TRYING TO GAME SOLVE IN LYLO. I made this clear in my previous post why I think this is the case.

"EP is not paranoid enough"Eh. I suppose. I don't know how you would have expected me to act here. Moan a little bit about not knowing for sure who it is? Like, do you think that I should be more paranoid because somehow casing you is going to immediately get you lynched? Not really-- I'm casing you to open channels of discussion..

That's fine, and I've explained why this is more likely to be your approach as scum than town.

"EP isn't doing anything to actually say why UT shouldn't be lynched, just talking about how this lynch is the same as SpyreX etc."Except yeah, the lynch is the same as that logic. It's the same shitty logic. The same bad logic and bad case that got SpyreX, the same bad case that I called you out on, the same bad case that you didn't refute. Spiffeh wants to give off the impression that he's refuting line-by-line, but in reality doesn't. He's picking and choosing the arguments that he feels like he can refute because he doesn't want to highlight the weakest and scummiest arguments that he's made. (Hey, it's exactly the thing that I called Andrius out on.)

If there's something you feel I didn't address than point it out to me. I wouldn't knowingly ignore a concern someone brings up against me. Why aren't you considering the fact that I just missed your post addressing me rather than maliciously ignored it? Why is this only coming up now that you need to compile reasons that I'm scummy instead of, I don't know, before SpyreX was lynched? Please quote the post you're referring to.

[Spiffeh]

Sorry for the quote wall but EP's post necessitated one.

Maria, I believe MoI's V/LA ends tomorrow so he should be here soon.

[Spiffeh]

I would like to hear your thoughts on EP's recent posts. Do you agree with my accusations?

[Spiffeh]

I've never played with you before so I wouldn't know that.

[Spiffeh]

I think the whole "Why UT is scum thing is outright laughable because if that was the reason for defending UT why didn't you bring up this point wihen Spy was getting lynched why didn't you bring this point up when fire was getting lynched why now

I'm not understanding this

Who are you talking to here?

[Spiffeh]

MoI as you said I'm pretty indifferent to which of EP or UT we lynch. They're pretty neck-and-neck in terms of bullshit spewing today.

I'll follow whatever you do.

[Spiffeh]

Gun to my head I'd prefer an EP lynch today.

[Spiffeh]

If both of us vote EP and there's no hammer (which there won't be), it will be pretty clear to Maria that the scum team is either myself and you or EP and UT.

And we all know which team is more plausible.

At this point I'm ready for the day to end but I'll wait to see if you and Maria still want to talk things out.

[Spiffeh]

Hey EP this is me checking in close to MoI and we have not coordinated a quickhammer

Me and Maria must be the scum team then right???!?!?!

Or Maria and MoI?!?!?!?

[Spiffeh]

I take it then that your Maria paranoia has settled down for the most part then based on your back and forth with her?

Yeah if it's Maria then EP or UT have to idiotically believe the shit they've been spewing about me and have to be ignoring the pretty much irrefutable evidence that I am town.

I'm over second guessing myself after their behavior today.

[Spiffeh]

If EP was so sure UT was town why wouldn't he be freaking the FUCK out that he just voted for them?

After they pretty much proved to be on the same page regarding me?

Probably because that read is bullshit!

[Spiffeh]

Lmao literally every post you made today attempts to slander me in some way or another

Beyond the extremely fake "doubting yourself" posts that you've made here and there

[Spiffeh]

I want to confirm our plan tonight with Maria and MoI and give them a chance to talk like Maria requested.

EP could just hammer themselves and we could lose that opportunity.

[Spiffeh]

I'm sure that's exactly what you want though.

[Spiffeh]

EP if you are miraculously town here and the scum team is like Maria/MoI don't beat yourself up

Because this game was literally unwinnable if that's the case

And I would never be able to trust again

[Spiffeh]

Yep that's it.

This way, you and Maria cannot die unless the scum is in that room and uses the strongman. You will confirm that Maria followed the plan in the neighborhood that night. You will also tell me if UT/EP goes to the Lab which would pretty much be a scum claim.

If you or Maria do die, then it's confirmed that the other is scum because I nightkill on either of you couldn't have taken place otherwise.

[Spiffeh]

Scum are capable of not killing so a no kill would still tell us nothing.

I fully expect no kill to occur this following night.

[Spiffeh]

If you or Maria do die, then it's confirmed that the other is scum because I nightkill on either of you couldn't have taken place otherwise.

also, how's that? wouldn't the only confirmation be that it wasn't his sabotage target?

Maria has a BP assigned to her from Double Trouble that hasn't been used (because there is no missing nightkill). Maria will be protecting MoI. This way they can't die unless one of them kills the other.

[Spiffeh]

I'm here now so if Maria shows up soon it confirms we're not scum together

[Spiffeh]

You bitches you better not be setting up a hammer

[Spiffeh]

Nah I think it would have happened by now.

[Spiffeh]

Maria do you understand and agree to the plan for tonight?

[Spiffeh]

Hey look at that all of EP's scum options are proven false!

[Spiffeh]

Can we narrow it down further?

[Spiffeh]

Possible scum teams:

UT/EP

UT/Maria
UT/MoI
UT/Spiffeh
EP/Maria
EP/MoI
EP/Spiffeh

[Spiffeh]

Anything else we want to discuss before lynching?

[Spiffeh]

Btw happy birthday Maria I will gift you with a scum lynch

[Spiffeh]

My preference is also EP but if both of you agree on UT than I can do him too.

[Spiffeh]

I'd prefer to do it now.

[Spiffeh]

Maria and I both go to the Lab.
UT / EP (whoever isn’t lynched) goes to the Kennels
Spiffeh goes to some other non-disclosed room that minimizes UT / EP’s chance of rooming with them.

I block one of Spiffeh or UT / EP.
Maria protects me.

Remember this is what we're following.

[Spiffeh]

Ok.

[Spiffeh]

Don't worry I am not scum

[Spiffeh]

Group hug fam

[Spiffeh]

Well technically we could still be scum but with EP which would mean claiming it wouldn't be the best idea rn

But luckily me being scum with EP is preposterous!

[Spiffeh]

Guys vote for accelerated nights/room phases so we can wrap this up ASAP.

[Spiffeh]

I guess I'll wait for MoI's results but let's be real we all know where my vote is going

[Spiffeh]

Actually it really doesn't matter

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

You're finally getting your wish after ALL THIS TIME

[Spiffeh]

Sky Blue is a really nice color though

[Spiffeh]

MOI

I AM NEVER TRUSTING YOU AGAIN

OMG

[Spiffeh]

Sorry guys

MoI snowed the fuck out of me and I will be nominating him for a Scummie!

[Spiffeh]

MoI was literally the only one keeping me sane all game wtf

[Spiffeh]

TAMMY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS FULL OF SCUMFUCKS

[Spiffeh]

Well it was compromised I just didn't realize it was DOUBLE compromised

[Spiffeh]

This is the only pathway to a loss I'm ok with

Because there's never a moment I can look back and say "I shouldn't have done this"

MoI just completely outplayed me and everyone so I don't feel that bad about myself

[Spiffeh]

I doubt I would have ever landed on MoI ever in this game no matter what

[Spiffeh]

On Night 9 I did question why I was still alive but I just assumed it was because I kept EP in my town bloc for like the whole last half of the game

[Spiffeh]

But yes my town reads were very static here when they shouldn't have been.

[Spiffeh]

This is why I need someone I trust unconditionally like Tammy alive to keep me in check

I thought MoI could play that role but OBVIOUSLY NOT

[Spiffeh]

Oh and I thought maybe the scum thought I still was holding onto a commute so they didn't want to risk shooting me

[Spiffeh]

Jesus fuck why did I ever let EP in my town reads in the first place I don't even remember

Why am I the worst

[Spiffeh]

Nah fuck The Deplorables that pissed me off

I would have maybe reconsidered SpyreX (probably not Firebringer) if that hadn't happened

[Spiffeh]

Also I'd like to apologize for being completely absent for the drealmerz and SpyreX lynches.

Both of those were over holiday breaks and at times where I was at a loss to who the scum were. Which is no excuse but yeah

Idk if anything would have changed had I been present but still I'm sorry

[Spiffeh]

It sucks that we thought of the "Maria protects EP" thing, which gave EP a good excuse to still be alive.

EP you played really well too gj

PEdit: I think I played fine overall but I really need to stop tunneling and start reevaluating

[Spiffeh]

Did scum ever use their other abilities?

[Spiffeh]

From the Dead Thread

I'm gonna be blunt here, while I certainly got

ridiculously

cocky and self-absorbed after D2 (dear god I'm still slapping myself over not protecting Creature from the start) I don't feel I was particularly helped by quite a few other townies. MariaR was in Errant's pocket

hard

the entire game and has been (bluntly speaking again) a useful idiot for scum the entire game. Drealmerz was essentially spiteposting for a period spanning several game days. Firebringer and SpyreX were not particularly helpful the entire game and at one point literally joined forces with a scumbag who tipped his hand to overthrow the dictatorship of myself and Spiffeh (I can't emphasize this enough). And UT has arguably done even less, as if he's been cowed into silence by us scumreading him for so long.

I am completely with you Wraith. While I completely acknowledge my role in our loss I really don't think many other town players played well enough to warrant us taking most of the blame. I think it was a collective suck for the town after Day 2.

[Spiffeh]

I look forward to the Scum PT getting released.

Thanks for the game SirCakez I had fun overall even though I was very frustrated at points!

[Spiffeh]

Idk I think my tunneling and OMGUSy nature contributed to our loss.

I'm just overly hard on myself.

I realize I played better than most townies though so it's cool.

[Spiffeh]

Apparently Don Corleone isn't a scummy category anymore so I couldn't nom MoI. That sucks.

[Spiffeh]

I don't think I ever claimed to lead every scum lynch or that I did it all on my own. Just that I was most responsible for the Goatmeal and Andrius lynches.

Which I still stand behind tbh

[Spiffeh]

And the only reason I mentioned them was because I was incredulous that people were scum reading me so hard at that point. Not to be cocky. So I hope that's not how it came across.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I'm glad I've only rolled scum like 6-7 times since I've been on this site.

I HATE drawing scum let alone like 10-12 times within a year like you have DGB

[Spiffeh]

[Spiffeh]

Princess is my preference

[Spiffeh]

Scum chat: will be released in 24 hours

ITS BEEN 24 HOURS GOGOGOGOGOGO

[Spiffeh]

Yeah it's been over 25 hours, SirCakez is SUCH A LIAR

[Spiffeh]

If you make me an avatar with a tiara on that is to my liking I will use

[Spiffeh]

it

[Spiffeh]

SirCakez I have homework to do which means I need reading material to procrastinate which means you must open the scum PT immediately.

[Spiffeh]

as soon as i saw spiffeh townleaning me i orgasmed and have been orgasming ever since

Also ew

[Spiffeh]

I am vomming all over the love fest in the Scum PT

I hate that you guys won

I am salty

[Spiffeh]

Too many damn PTs to keep track of.

Post 9 in the Lab was not intended to be there. I thought I was posting here.

Epic Face-palm for me. I've tried to cover in the Radio thread but ... god that was bad.

LOL it made perfect sense with what was being discussed in the Lab at the time so I thought nothing of it.

[Spiffeh]

DEPLORABLES True MVPs. Spiffeh lynches all of us. Still loses.

If there were a middle finger in the emoji section, this would be an appropriate place to use it.

[Spiffeh]

Did SpyreX leave because of this game? Or because of something unrelated?

[Spiffeh]

Pretty funny that we got lynched for quarantining mafia. Lol.

yeah
fu the idiots who let night actionanalysis stop real scumhunting

This literally never happened

[Spiffeh]

Like I agree ~The Plan~ wasn't a huge help in the long run but only because the scum team integrated themselves well enough to avoid being caught out by it.

Scumhunting wasn't at all put on the backburner and if you let it stifle your game it's on you.

[Spiffeh]

Tbh I think it was most effective when we established a town bloc that forced scum to kill mislynchbait like 1SVT and Peregrine

The issue is that the remaining scum were IN that townbloc!

[Spiffeh]

Andrius I better have a pre-in for Spiffeh's Kingdom Mafia

or whatever it will be called

[Spiffeh]

Or Andy could be cool and just not have hydras which are an abomination upon the land that is MS.net.

[Spiffeh]

Ps: Manga I will policy lynch you if we ever play again

FTFY

[Spiffeh]

McMenno you would have made a good member of The Deplorables had you lasted long enough

[Spiffeh]

I have added a space to my wiki page that might interest you.

I lol'd

[Spiffeh]

Although ErrantParabola wasn't really a Deplorable and I resent their inclusion in such an exclusive and honorable group of individuals.