Newbie 2003: Earth [game over!]

[Datisi]

Newbie 2003: Earth

Moderator:

Datisi

|

Backup Moderator:

AaronFrost

Player List:

1. joqiza
   (replaces RandaAlzifahri)
   
   
2. midwaybear
   
   
3. Apogee
   
   
4. Maduisha
   
   
5. Ydrasse
   
   
6. votato
   (replaces Lij00)
   
   
7. Quick (SE)
   (replaces

   Clemency* (SE)

   )
   
   
8. enomis** (SE)
   
   
9. DkKoba (SE)

* denotes prod

Alive:

Spoiler: (1/9)

• Maduisha,
  Mafia Goon
  , survives and wins!

[Datisi]

Rules

Shamelessly stolen

Inspired by Plotinus's ruleset.

important bit

• Day 1: up to 10 days, Day 2+ up to 7 days, Night: 48 hours.
  
• Majority lynches.
  
• 36 hours before prod, 24 hours before replacement.
  
• Bah posts allowed. (limit: 1, free of game related content)
  
• Don’t be a dick.

1. Follow all site rules.
   
   
2. Mod colour
   – My mod colour is
   teal
   . You can use it if you want, just don't attempt to impersonate me.
   
3. Behaviour
   - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself lynched if you try it.
   
4. Don't talk about ongoing games
   - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
   
5. Provable randomness
   - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.
   
6. Cryptography
   - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.
   
7. Confirmation
   - You have about 48 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.
   
8. Days
   - Day 1 lasts up to 10 days and other days last up to 7 days. Extensions may or may not be granted if there are replacements, or if the circumstances call for it (for example, if the site was experiencing issues).
   
9. Activity
   - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.
   
10. Vacation/Limited Access
    - If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declare
    V/LA
    in bold in the thread like this: [
    b]

    @Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday

    [
    /b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 60 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.
    
11. Prodging
    - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
    
12. Quoting
    - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.
    
13. Voting
    - Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Datisi or
    Vote: Datisi
    . Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [
    v]Datisi[
    /v] to vote and [
    uv]Datisi[
    /uv] to unvote.
    
14. Lynching
    - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to lynch somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no lynch, the day will end without a lynch. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no lynch.
    
15. Twilight
    - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
    
16. Night
    - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
    
17. Action submissions
    - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
    
18. Reminders
    - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.
    
19. Notes PT
    - Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. This thread will be made public immediately after the game. You may draft posts in your notes PT but you may not talk about your notes PT in public. You definitely may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.
    
20. Play to win
    - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!

Spoiler: apparently the vote counter refuses to work if i put this code in the OP so I GUESS it will have to be in the rules post fml

Living Players

Apogee
Maduisha
enomis

Links

Day 4: Post #3204

[Datisi]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that PLAYER NAME is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[Datisi]

Introduction and Tips

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in Plotinus' original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, L-x, and Hammers

L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see L-2 and L-3 (2 votes away from a lynch and 3 votes away from a lynch, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being lynched, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting lynched, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counter claiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get lynched for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

LyLo

LyLo is the shortened representation of “lynch or lose.” LyLo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to lynch (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[Datisi]

All role PMs have been sent out (in the order of the signup list so timestamps mean nothing)! We will start in (expired on 2020-05-06 12:30:56) or when [7/9] people have confirmed, whichever happens sooner.

The above clock and any others used throughout this game will be accurate from the time you loaded the page.

Currently confirmed: 7/9

[Datisi]

The sun rises. It is now Day 1.

Official Vote Count 1.00

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(9): RandaAlzifahri, midwaybear, Apogee, Maduisha, Ydrasse, Lij00, Clemency, enomis, DkKoba

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-15 10:45:00).

Mod notes:

• RandaAlzifahri and Lij00 have (expired on 2020-05-06 12:30:56) to confirm their role before I start looking for replacements.

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[Clemency]

rejoice! the best player in this game is on your side tonight
VOTE: enomis

[Clemency]

even in death you will become children of clemency

[enomis]

Hey Guys.

VOTE: clemency

People who vote me are all scums.

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A helpful link if you need:
What common abbreviations means.

And some general advice that I shamelessly copy from this thread

1. Don't self vote. (there are really no points during a Newbie setup where this is a good idea, please avoid it however logical you may think it is)
2. This site frowns on lying if you are a vanilla town role. I strongly advise against lying if you have this role as usually it will only hurt town in the end.
3. It's a game - have fun.

We are now starting what is known as the RVS (random voting stage). We are in a low information period because scum already know who they are, and even have a rough idea of what power roles may or may not be in the game. It is now town's job to root them out. Because the start of the game leaves us with no information to start with generally the way to start is to begin voting and questioning other people to see if you can catch them doing something scummy (scummy actions being acts that a scum player is more likely to do then a town player).

[Clemency]

i cant believe you would vote me after i claimed town </3

[enomis]

I can't believe that you still believe that you are town after you voted me.

[Maduisha]

Hi! I don't know anybody here! I hope we'll get along very soon and have the least amount of replacements possible!

People who vote me are all scums.

For real? Then we better get this wagon started to weed them all out!

VOTE: Enomis

[Maduisha]

As a bit of self introduction to get things going: I have completed 3 games on this forum, 2 as town and 1 as scum. I still don't know how to play the game as well as I'd like, and I took a break after my last game, because I caused a town loss due to my heavy paranoia and my extreme tunneling of a fellow town player that game. I'm hoping not to repeat the same mistakes, or at least achieve not to frustrate you guys.

Nice to meet you!

[DkKoba]

hello all
VOTE: Apogee
what is your favorite role in mafia and why?

[enomis]

Spoiler: Maduisha post 12

As a bit of self introduction to get things going: I have completed 3 games on this forum, 2 as town and 1 as scum. I still don't know how to play the game as well as I'd like, and I took a break after my last game, because I caused a town loss due to my heavy paranoia and my extreme tunneling of a fellow town player that game. I'm hoping not to repeat the same mistakes, or at least achieve not to frustrate you guys.

Nice to meet you!

Hey Maduisha, welcome to the game. I don't think you need to worry about your play style. Everybody learns as they go along.

@DkKoba:

My favorite role would be any role that has the greatest impact in the game.

Spoiler: Clemency Post 9

i cant believe you would vote me after i claimed town </3

I actually noticed something here.

1) You said you claimed town
2) Your claim of town was "rejoice! the best player in this game is on your side tonight"
3) Meaning you need to know that I am town in-order to claim town (Since only I posted beside you when you claim town)
4) The only ones who knows I am town other than myself is scum.

Scumslip?

[midwaybear]

Idk maybe it was him joking around, but I can see what you mean.
VOTE: DKKoba because they’re the only person I recognize
My favorite role is the cop

[Maduisha]

My favorite would be jailkeeper because it can do so many things.

[Apogee]

Hi! I'm Apogee, and this is my first game of online mafia. In person, I like to play town cop or neutrals the most. Since I've only played in person, I figure I have a bunch to learn regarding online scumreading, which I figure is pretty different than in-person where you can analyze body language more.

VOTE: Maduisha for being first poster with no votes

Other question: in-person, we always played night one before day one. Whats the rationale for doing it d1 first? Just seems like there is awfully little to go off of. Is it for balance? Fun (it does suck to be nked before you have a chance to talk)? The chance to figure out some brilliant deduction?

[enomis]

Hey Apogee

, I think it was mainly because most people preferred a day start.
You can take a look at the threads here: Link 1 Link 2
Yeah Forum mafia is pretty difference. The other major difference with IRL is that you can take time to craft your post, thus, the things you look for in a scum is really different from irl.

Spoiler: Apogee post 17

VOTE: Maduisha for being first poster with no votes

This is false by the way. Did you read through the thread?

--------------------------------

@DKkoba:

A Question I forgot to ask in the previous post. Do tell if there is anything you are looking for in the "

what is your favorite role in mafia and why?

" question after everyone posted.

[Apogee]

Hey Apogee

, I think it was mainly because most people preferred a day start.
You can take a look at the threads here: Link 1 Link 2
Yeah Forum mafia is pretty difference. The other major difference with IRL is that you can take time to craft your post, thus, the things you look for in a scum is really different from irl.

Spoiler: Apogee post 17

VOTE: Maduisha for being first poster with no votes

This is false by the way. Did you read through the thread?

Thanks for the links. I have read through the thread, and unless I'm seriously missing something I don't see what is false.

Unless your implying the moderator should be my vote ...

[enomis]

Spoiler: Apogee post 19

Thanks for the links. I have read through the thread, and unless I'm seriously missing something I don't see what is false.

Unless your implying the moderator should be my vote ...

VOTE: Enomis

This ^^^

Also, what did you think about the scum slip?

[Apogee]

Spoiler: Apogee post 19

Thanks for the links. I have read through the thread, and unless I'm seriously missing something I don't see what is false.

Unless your implying the moderator should be my vote ...

VOTE: Enomis

This ^^^

Also, what did you think about the scum slip?

Oh, I think I was unclear then. I meant the first player to post who had no votes on them.
As for the scumslip, I feel I lack enough info.

Are you the best player in the game? If so, compelling argument.

[enomis]

Oh, I think I was unclear then. I meant the first player to post who had no votes on them.
As for the scumslip, I feel I lack enough info.

Are you the best player in the game? If so, compelling argument.

Oh, i misunderstood.

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I don't think I am the best player in the game. I think I am quite average in fact. Why do you ask?

[Apogee]

Oh, I think I was unclear then. I meant the first player to post who had no votes on them.
As for the scumslip, I feel I lack enough info.

Are you the best player in the game? If so, compelling argument.

Oh, i misunderstood.

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I don't think I am the best player in the game. I think I am quite average in fact. Why do you ask?

Seems I'd initially misunderstood your line of logic. I thought your argument was (more jokingly) based in you claiming to be the best player, meaning that Clemency's claim of the best player being "on your side" was truly referring to you being on the town's side, as the best player. He could only know you are townie as a mafia, leading to the slip.

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I re-read the "slip" and now get what you were actually arguing. Could truly be a slip, but I personally figured the "your side" was more of a presumption of most of us being townies, and his indirect reference to you being a townie is more of the same. Also, a wolf would probably be more careful with the suggestion someone is a townie? Maybe?

[Clemency]

statistically speaking everyone is town until proven otherwise