welcome @the worst
i'm withholding a vote until both of you have a chance to respond and give your thoughts.
Here's where my head is at for the start of today (I wrote most of this during the night):
I don't see scum!Smiley agreeing to let Delta make that counter claim. The much easier play would have been to push me, especially seeing iavh and Smiley immediately stating their comfort with elimming me yesterday. I'm pretty sure if it was Smiley/Delta, Smiley would have pushed back hard on the entire idea, and the NK would have been iavh.
Granted, I wouldn't see Starfire agreeing to the coutner claim or NK choice either, but seeing as she apparently flaked and has been replaced, we don't know how much she participated in any of the Night 2 or Day 3 strategy discussion.
So my guess is a Delta/Starfire team. Delta likely made the decision on his own to counter claim, which also would make sense with him picking Alianna as the NK on his own, as he made that part of his case. I'm guessing if Starfire had been around she would have disagreed with the counter claim and with Alianna as the NK.
So with that theory in mind, I've gone back to examine the iso's and interactions between starfire and the wayward/jason/delta slot.
Day 1
1. wayward is replaced after no activity beyond page 1, and his page 1 activity is nothing substantial.
2. jason replaces in and immediately conf!town's happy, and immediately puts some distance between himself and Starfire, saying she is scum and saying he feels like she and i are scum together.
3. his case against starfire (and me) is essentially that we each missed iavh's softing as a PR
4. despite his position on both of us he doesn't vote us, instead placing his first vote on Koba
5. he goes back and forth with Koba, and then goes back and forth with me a bit
6. Starfire comments in
455 that "Ender-JasonWazza does not look good at all for ender" and perhaps it didn't, but this is an easy place for scum!starfire to influence other players' minds away from Jason
7. Jason and Starfire have a very minimal interaction after which Jason says the scum team is most likely Koba/Ender
8. Jason continues on Koba for a long while
9. In
603 Jason puts his vote on me. "This is already an easy Ender lim, frankly I've been keeping this thought under my hat to see if Koba did anything worthwhile."
10. In
615 Starfire sheeps Jason. In post
620 it's pretty blatant: "Ender seems like scum for the reasons JasonWazza sets out"
11. In
674 Jason officially says he doesn't think Starfire is scum (i guess he was trying to let his previous suspicion hang in the air until he was specifically asked about it)
12. In
701 Starfire votes Smiley for lack of content.
Note
this comes after my
601 in which I essentially call Smiley out for the same thing. Not only that but, it comes after Smiley apologized in
613 for lack of activity due to being sick. My take on this if assuming scum!Starfire: she was looking for someone to go against but didn't want to only sheep Jason against me and Koba. So she fished around until she saw an easy target on someone who another person had already called out for lack of content.
13. When PC asks who people are comfortable with limming, in
717 she lists myself and Koba, who Jason has been going against, and of course adds Smiley because she's voting him. She had promised a post in response to Smiley's defense but it never came.
14. PC is the NK, and my take on it is that Jason had flaked, she believed iavh's cop claim, she is an RB so she believed there was a doc, she went fishing for doc and happened to hit mason instead.
Day 2.
1. She votes iavh immediately due to his claims and saying there's a doc after a mason flip. The vote seems opportunistic, like she was hoping to start a quick wagon on iavh
2. Post
789 is interesting. There's Night Action analysis to explain why the NK was advantageous for Koba (side note: since i wrote this up during Night, I couldn't use the quote button for properly linked and attributed quote tags):
--snip--
@ DkKoba, as scum, you'd both RB the cop and try to NK them? That sounds like a waste of resources, I'd assume if scum believes the cop-claim (probably is the case) they'd RB the cop and try and find the doctor or NK the townie they fear most going to the endgame. As an aside, do you prefer Koba/DK or no abbreviation?
Using the logic above I think DkKoba would want PC dead as scum. @ IAVH why is DkKoba the obvious NK for scum if they are town? Ur obvs cleared, this is me trying to understand your reasoning (and ideally learn to play)
Smiley-DkKoba is where I'm at right now.
--snip--
honestly it feels like scum!starfire finding a way to explain the scum team's actions. of course she would have thought through what night actions make sense for someone who believe's iavh's claim: to rb the cop and take a shot in the dark at who they suspect as doc.
Here's the kicker: Jason had site flaked by this point, and Delta was the replacement overnight. Starfire likely had to come up with the kill and the roleblock targets because even if Delta was around during the night, he wouldn't have had enough time to catch up on the thread and properly think through any other targets. And we know starfire had already missed iavh's softing in the past, so it makes sense she'd miss Koba's softing as doc (i.e. why Koba was so adamant that he should have been the NK target).
So she instead picked someone she thought could be doc and/or thought she could paint as a good NK choice for Koba so that she could use that in the case against him.
3. Starfire votes Smiley, reacts to iavh revealing his typo-softing, and then votes Koba. Once again, using PC's town flip to throw shade on Koba's interactions with him.
4. She keeps pushing Koba for a few more posts before Delta's first post.
5. Nothing really interesting jumps out at me from there until
831, talking to Koba, she says: "Nae bother, plenty of Day left. Talk me about town!Ender? I haven't managed to read that slot at all."
She hadn't managed to read my slot yet, but wasn't she finding me scummy most of Day 1? Sounds like she was more trying to get a read on me from Smiley without influencing it by providing a read, so that she could hop on if Smiley decided I was a good wagon.
6. Again nothing of note until Delta posts his "stream of consciousness" post
880. Starfire is his scummiest read in his read list "as of page 5". He continues to point at starfire throughout the post, right until the last bit where he hard shifts to Koba. My guess is he wanted to distance himself from Starfire but didn't want to bus his partner with no reason.
7. His big post culminates in a vote on Koba, which he follows up with some more supporting "evidence", i.e. the supposed scum slip of being too sure there's a doc
8. Pretty quickly we move into the heated interaction between Delta and Koba that lasts a while.
9. Starfire comes back in with post
931, with a null read on Delta and reasserts suspicion of Koba. She asks Delta who he prefers to elim that day (between Starfire and Koba).
10. Then she goes on V/LA and doesn't post again.
11. Delta manages to sweet talk me into changing my mind and hammering Koba.
12. Alianna is the NK
Day 3
1. Delta mason counter claim, gets elimmed, flips red.
2. Starfire was replaced, furthering my suspicion that she wasn't really around to give input on Delta's NK choice or his decision to counter claim. And since Smiley was around and I don't see him agreeing with those decisions, I don't think a Smiley/Delta team works.
So given Starfire's flake and the interactions I noted above, I think the most likely is a Delta/the worst team.
I'll withhold my vote to give everyone a chance to speak their mind.
i could accept an argument that it's "LAMIST"-y i guess.
