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not joking
4 of his 5 posts are newbscum-
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I'm gonna ask you more about this vote later
plz remind me-
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this is awkward tooIn post 23, CsBlastoise wrote:VOTE: Thespio for having a Sabertooth mage as his avatar.
Kidding, Sabertooth's fine. UNVOTE: .
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bc it's the only way to kill scumIn post 28, Thespio wrote:I can answer all your questions... Its an RVS vote, why are you so eager to set up lynches?
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if you wanna make an omelette...In post 32, Thespio wrote:
Its also a good way to kill town.In post 30, TTTT wrote:bc it's the only way to kill scum-
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says I'm claiming to have it all figured out (I don't)In post 31, Thespio wrote:Dude the games 30 seconds in and you are claiming to have figured it all out, tbh this looks like an early lynch gambit, with no IC trying to get newbies to collapse on one person for an early kill. Im 99.999999999% sure the things pinging your scumdar are newbies trying to learn to play.
says 99.999999999% sure entrance posts so far are NAI-
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since there's no IC
make sure everybody reads this...
In post 3, Micc wrote:Voting, L-x, and Hammers
L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see L-2 and L-3 (2 votes away from a lynch and 3 votes away from a lynch, respectively).
Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being lynched, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.-
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In post 39, Thespio wrote:@TTTT but you caught obvscum right?TTTT wrote:I really want to talk to you more about your thoughts on opening game strat
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yepIn post 42, CsBlastoise wrote:You seriously think that what little content he has posted is scummy?-
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ask NotMySpamAccount how he feels about this...In post 46, Thespio wrote:it seems silly to jump on a newbie for their first couple posts-
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I'm not as confident in town!NMSA as GLIn post 58, GuiltyLion wrote:
NMSA, welcome to the town clubIn post 49, NotMySpamAccount wrote:And I agree with TTTT, do jump on a newbie for their first couple of posts. I should have been lynched day 1.
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I hate doing this bc now it's gonna look like I'm super-efforting for this lynchIn post 73, CsBlastoise wrote:But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?
but you asked nicely...
Spoiler:
this looks like newbscum overly concerned with how others perceive him
9 is over-explained
we know chennis read the "Introduction and Tips" post with the RVS info (based on 15)
yet he still goes out of his way to make his RVS vote look un-scummy
10 is unnecessary (again looks like he's concerned with how he's viewed)
15 the "I guess" is noncommitall and the whole post is a missed opportunity to engage with his accuser (GL)
16 here he kinda engages with GL but in an appeasing way that is non-committal and approval seeking-
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c'monIn post 73, CsBlastoise wrote:
Too soon to say.In post 62, TTTT wrote:@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?
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So you've seen me at my best and my worstIn post 105, chennisden wrote:
You're right, RVS is a bad way to scumread. I'll wait for more content before I can really say who scum is.In post 54, GuiltyLion wrote:
do you think scum is more likely to "vote for salt" than town?In post 16, chennisden wrote:May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt"
If you're town, you should probably cut the sarcasm. It'll only make scum happy.In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:
good point, better not vote or lynch anybody then I guessIn post 32, Thespio wrote:
Its also a good way to kill town.In post 30, TTTT wrote:bc it's the only way to kill scum
And I need to keep a note of this because this is the first scummy thing I've seen a person I consider towny to do. This isn't very substantive yet, but good to remember.
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Too soon to say.In post 62, TTTT wrote:@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?
Yeah, we need more than five one-liners, one of which was an EBWOP, to justify a lynch on anyone. That being said, if chen doesn't add much soon, a case could be made for lurking.In post 64, Thespio wrote:
Im not saying lets no vote, im saying lets not lynch someone 1 day into the game after a very newbie set of posts.In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:good point, better not vote or lynch anybody then I gues
Maybe a better way to respond to TTTT would have been, "Well, I think it looks more like newbie behavior than scum behavior, but, knowing that you have more experience than I do, I would not be surprised if you picked up on something I may not have." But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?In post 70, GuiltyLion wrote:
but how can you agree on this when you don't know what "things" TTTT is pointing out or why he thinks they're scummy? You asked him if he found chen scummy and he said yes, but then you decided not to follow up, that's what I'm trying to understand. …In post 66, CsBlastoise wrote:Thank you for pointing out the possibility that Thespio's actions could be scummy. I think the main part of it I agree with is not so much that TTTT is trying to push something, but thatthe things TTTT may be pointing out might just be "newbies trying to learn to play."
Sure.In post 70, GuiltyLion wrote:And you agreed with Thespio who seemed to be more against the idea of pressuring chendennis for what he's posted at all.
maybe I'm being unfair here, but if you want to ask him for input/participation, why not do that yourself?In post 66, CsBlastoise wrote:That being said, I do think we should investigate chen more, particularly by asking him directly for input and getting some participation from him — I mean, come on, he's only got five posts so far, and each one was only one line long (not counting the quote in one of them).
@Chennisden, what do you have to say about these reads on you? Anything you have to say for yourself?
About these reads: TTTT seems to be the head of my wagon (though he is advising not to lynch, not even the most beginner of scum would say "yes lynch" on D1). Given he scumread me off of basically nothing, something tells me he's trying to get me killed while trying not to look like he's getting me killed. Of course there isn't that much to go off of, but rn my strongest scumread is TTTT.In post 46, Thespio wrote:Im not trying to sell anything, you are saying he is newb scum, im teasing you because it seems silly to jump on a newbie for their first couple posts, but to solve this...
@Chen what is you background in mafia games?
And my background in mafia games - I've read 2 or 3 games to completion, including one with Thespio and Loopdan (though I won't be able to meta well, two birds with one stone right?). However, this is my first time playing.
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@Guilty yes I am aware TTTT=Loopdan. I'm not sure if he wanted it to be kept secret-ish (though on second thought he literally reveals).
And I looked at 1912 because TTTT and Thespio were in the same game and it was recent. Considering that 1912 was the only time Thespio rolled scum, it was in my opinion the most informative to read.
At this point I think hard tunneling is scum. Though I'm not very confident on TTTT scum, I do want to note that saying "don't lynch someone in <24 hrs" doesn't make him town. Even the most stupid scum wouldn't say "Hey let's kill town D1," and given TTTT is experienced he may have thought it good to establish towncred early.-
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In post 105, chennisden wrote: And my background in mafia games - I've read 2 or 3 games to completion, including one with Thespio and Loopdan (though I won't be able to meta well, two birds with one stone right?). However, this is my first time playing.
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@Guilty yes I am aware TTTT=Loopdan. I'm not sure if he wanted it to be kept secret-ish (though on second thought he literally reveals).
and it was recent. Considering that 1912 was the only time Thespio rolled scum, it was in my opinion the most informative to read.And I looked at 1912 because TTTT and Thespio were in the same gameTTTT wrote:@chennis
just curious how you knew I was LoopdanTTTT wrote:?like did you realize that before, after, or during the time you were reading through 1912
something doesn't add up herechennisden wrote:I looked through a game including you before this one started. I checked your profile and was surprised to learn you are Loop.
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what exactly is the point about Muh that you think I'm trying to make here?In post 140, chennisden wrote:But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.
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no, I don't think his inactivity is scummy
it's still really early in the game
I made that comment about saying hi to muh in your scumchat because...
there's a world where you and muh are scum and he told you something like "hey you should go read Newbie 1912 bc Thespio and TTTT (as Loopdan) are in that game"
this is similar to GL's theory but seems more likely your partner would be muh because you left him out when you gave your reason for reading 1912
to be clear:this is an unlikely theory and not something I would push your lynch for
but it will stroke my ego if true
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I can buy town!chennisden backwards-justifying why he was reading that other game
it's a bit suspicious cuz he doesn't mention Muh (who was also in that game)
but it's possibly a town mistake
I wanna move on from that
particularly because 140 is much worse than anything else he's written-
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NoIn post 148, chennisden wrote:At this point I think me/TTTT have given each other enough info to justify trying to pressure others.
And are you srsly scumreading me for scumreading you
Anyway, we gotta put some pressure on Muh. If he's not scum he'll prove it through his statements.
VOTE: muh316
I'm SRing you for saying you are SRing me...
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In post 140, chennisden wrote:New read on TTTT: Scum.
He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.
Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.
But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.-
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to what?In post 147, Thespio wrote:I’m having flashbacks-
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you are right. my mistake.In post 155, chennisden wrote: TTTT my vote was never on you. I dont want to OMGUS you.
but why out a SR on me
and thenimmediatelygive credence to scum!muh?
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so are you SRing me but won't vote me because I'm voting you?In post 155, chennisden wrote:TTTT my vote was never on you. I dont want to OMGUS you.
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In post 156, Screamingnoodle wrote:Where is muh anyways? I hope they are still around. Not engaging at all to me is a huge red flag.
do you have any thoughts on chennis and me?In post 157, Screamingnoodle wrote:Same goes for SaintAngel
and out interactions over the past few pages?-
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here's some advice for new players:
if you are town...
you may be wary of posting your thoughts
bc you're worried you might get jumped on for sounding scummy
don't worry about that!
it's better that you are open and transparent with your thoughts
there are some good players in this game who are likely to figure out you are town
even if you say an occasional weird thing
townhunting is how most newbie games are won
and we can't townhunt if you are reserved
if you are scum...
try and mimic the above
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I'm kinda curiousIn post 164, CsBlastoise wrote:I'm here! What would you like to discuss this morning, kind sir?
what have you done to prep for this game
like either before it started or since it has begun-
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thx that's helpfulIn post 167, CsBlastoise wrote:
Nothing, honestly (for one thing, I didn't have a chance before it started because I was picked as a replacement and then I just dove in headfirst). I don't even know what one might do for prep (I'm new-ish, remember).In post 166, TTTT wrote:
I'm kinda curiousIn post 164, CsBlastoise wrote:I'm here! What would you like to discuss this morning, kind sir?
what have you done to prep for this game
like either before it started or since it has begun
you agreed with me that chenn seems to be all over the place
do you think this is more likely to be town who is legit trying to sort people
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i guess my problem is that your vote does nothing to pressure muh if he isn't hereIn post 168, chennisden wrote:i dont think scummuh is likely, but i want to put pressure on him. im just saying itd be stupid if we didnt pressure him at all
while you could be voting your stated scumread (me) right now
putting someone at L-2 is not a big deal
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did I say that?In post 168, chennisden wrote:yes I agree with TTTT, if I get lynched for poor play its a sign i need to get better.
it sounds like something I might say
but I'm trying to be more hospitable in newbie games
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I'm concerned that you don't seem to have any relevant thoughts about the gameIn post 173, CsBlastoise wrote:Could be either. I'll need the game to progress a bit before getting a better read.
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but even with meatworld responsibilities you are finding time to post frequentlyIn post 178, CsBlastoise wrote:I agree, it's even slightly annoying to myself that I don't want to commit to a read.
Also, I have other things on my mind rn, like MeatWorld responsibilities.
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GL give your thoughts on this plzIn post 140, chennisden wrote:New read on TTTT: Scum.
He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.
Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.
But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.-
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is this gonna be like the scum!Salami thingIn post 229, u r a person 2 wrote:
Catch and Release only fishing today at the lake I guess??In post 146, TTTT wrote:I can buy town!chennisden backwards-justifying why he was reading that other game
it's a bit suspicious cuz he doesn't mention Muh (who was also in that game)
but it's possibly a town mistake
I wanna move on from that
particularly because 140 is much worse than anything else he's written
where I talked myself out of it
and then you made a great case and we lynched him?
...except I'm still SRing chennis
just not too much from that