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I appreciate this response so much.In post 512, Something_Smart wrote:No, I want to know what you meant. Whether or not town sometimes worry about their wagon position is not subjective. You can't have an opinion on it. You can have a belief, and that belief is either wrong or right.wot
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Something_Smart: Gun to head, scum. I like the style and the more conservative thinking behind his posts. There’s nothing particularly townie I see, and it all seems pretty neutral. I understand that from this kind of perspective, you don’t really propagate your thoughts, but some more thoughts of your own would be nice.
Katyusha: Lean-town. Town-pings everywhere, just getting pure/uncensored thoughts out there.
xRECKONERx: Lean-town. Not an easy one to explain. It’s really the way he’s interacting and how everyone has responded. It just *feels* town. (omg plz dont hurt me for bad reads)
Aneininen: Lean-scum. 137 was over-explainingly bad (and possibly sheepy and opportunistic if I cared to read more context). Everything else is really meh, especially the wall-posts with questions that really just seem like busy work.
GuiltyLion: Null. Eh, no comment really.
Creature: Null-town. I don’t understand the ways of the Creature, but I feel like he’s in line with his town game. This will be heavily influenced by how people who have experience with him perceive his alignment.
Primate: Gun to head, town. Gut. Sorry, that’s all I got. It’s not a lot of posts but I kinda like the posts.
Hinduragi: Null. Got nothin’ worth saying.
EP: Null.
The rest for later. I read the ISOs, not along with the thread.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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SEE YA!In post 290, Creature wrote:
but doesn't school take a year long to end?In post 215, BigYoshiFan wrote:I'll be back after school ends.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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I specifically left out people whom I thought it would be a strenuous task to sort, i.e., you, RC, and mastina. I just wanted to get some stuff out so I didn't appear to be lurking or unengaged.
I started with SS because I remembered feeling how I described, and ISO'ing him didn't change that.
The rest were just as it came up, maybe in the current ISO or as I remembered.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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I just don't like how you're asserting yourself as "head honcho", to quote RC, because you can shout the loudest rather than having intention to help town. Or at least, that is what I recall from reading during school and RC triggered the memory.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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In post 626, xRECKONERx wrote:Second off, BigYoshiFan: why the chesskid vote after saying you weren't done reading?In post 562, RadiantCowbells wrote:because I am RCIn post 561, BigYoshiFan wrote:I just don't like how you're (chesskid) asserting yourself as "head honcho", to quote RC, because you can shout the loudest rather than having intention to help town. Or at least, that is what I recall from reading during school and RC triggered the memory.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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In post 654, chesskid3 wrote:YOU PEOPLE KEEP USING THIS WORDIn post 654, chesskid3 wrote:RESISTANCEThere's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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I'm aware they've both been very dick-wavey. In this instance, RC has actually gone through logic and reads while chesskid3 is continuing to wave his dick. I think the line should be fairly self-explanatory.In post 686, xRECKONERx wrote:@BYF: I'd like for you to catch up and finish your reads on people, please. Also, you chastise chesskid for being arrogant and trying to steamroll the town, but RC is doing the exact same thing. Where do you draw the line?
Gonna eat now. I'll finish my reads at a later time.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Did you ever elaborate on what lead to this vote? Please do, because I don't see any progression from your townread on chesskid to this.In post 600, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I was waiting for the real you to come out. Time to change gears, let's crush this.In post 548, RadiantCowbells wrote:EITHER VOTE CHESSKID OR GIVE ME THE HIDER. I WILL MAKE SURE EVERYONE WHO DOES NEITHER IS SYSTEMATICALLY LYNCHED AS SOON AS CHESSKID IS GONE.
VOTE: Chesskid xx
Also my team would like me to have the invention so I can hide behind someone with high scum equity (as agreed by the consensus) and because any reads on me should not be affected by today's lynch. I'll happily sacrifice myself as I believe there are stronger town players here to carry the win.
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So it's your opinion that both should be townread? I really doubt that this is scum theatre.In post 900, Creature wrote:
tbh I don't expect someone to have RadiantCowbells and chesskid3 on different extremes.In post 813, BigYoshiFan wrote:---
RadiantCowbells, Katyusha, xRECKONERx
Primate, Creature
ErrantParabola, Srceenplay, Something_Smart, Hinduragi, mastina, GuiltyLion
Aneininen, CheekyTeeky
chesskid3
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Have a good night guys!There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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I don't like how you have significantly downplayed my reasoning for scumreading him, nor am I sure of what "pretending everyone is following him via shouting" means.In post 814, Hinduragi wrote:Yoshi, I'm not following why you scumread chesskid just because he is doing what he has always done: pretending everyone is following him via shouting
I mean, is that it?
He's trying to take town under his reigns with the power of his voice and not his willpower or intention to help the town. His push for receiving the hider invention is disgusting too. It's scummy, I don't know what else to say that RC hasn't because I don't want to repeat the same thing and appear to be taking credit. His defense of RECK was unfounded at the time, and I agree that it has high potential to be an attempt to pocket. And lastly, even if he is town, if he continues like he has he won't be a huge loss to town as compared to other town.
I see RECK votes being led by mastina and I'll get to that once I'm back from school.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Mastina only had 8 posts when I made that read. I still don't get your beef with her.In post 929, chesskid3 wrote:I mean if it's scum theater and Reck/RC are still townreads why is mastina a nullread for you is another interesting question worth askingThere's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Wait, wait, wait. "If it's scum theater..." I just fucking told you I doubt it is.In post 929, chesskid3 wrote:I mean if it's scum theater and Reck/RC are still townreads why is mastina a nullread for you is another interesting question worth askingThere's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Okay, then vote me?In post 938, Hinduragi wrote:Lel, I’m at work phoneposting so I won’t be able to read until after I’m off but I want to throw out something
LLD said Yoshi was scum after I mentioned my question at him and tbh my guy says the same
Chess kid/mastina 1v1 is lulz and I’m not doing that either. Let’s lynch someone else please
@chesskid3: What's your read on me?There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Please explain.In post 825, Hinduragi wrote:I still don't have a good grasp of cheeky's personality but I feel like I made a mistake in judging her earlier posts and not taking into account personality.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Dear god, why can't this be as slow as the other games.
Hinduragi is steadily climbing down my reads list for downplaying my read of chesskid and stepping back to reference his teammates instead of his own reason to push me.
Chesskid, I asked you earlier, but how do you read me? I'm getting conflicting vibes about how you feel about me.
Will catch up if the last 300 posts isn't garbage; otherwise, I really won't care to read much of it.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Wow. I personally feel this is accurate, how you were able to articulate on this so accurately, better than I ever could, despite having little experience with me (just Biochemistry I think) is amazing.In post 1240, mastina wrote:In post 535, BigYoshiFan wrote:The rest for later. I read the ISOs, not along with the thread.
That having been said,
I actually think this is town?In post 538, BigYoshiFan wrote:I specifically left out people whom I thought it would be a strenuous task to sort, i.e., you, RC, and mastina. I just wanted to get some stuff out so I didn't appear to be lurking or unengaged.
I started with SS because I remembered feeling how I described, and ISO'ing him didn't change that.
The rest were just as it came up, maybe in the current ISO or as I remembered.
This...might take some explaining. I'm not quite sure if I can express this coherently, but.
To my memory, Yoshi is the type of player who as town makes posts which are...
...Well, like this--mixed bags. On the one hand, you get many indicators of potentially being town (because that's what he is)...and on the other, you also get (often in the very same post as the townposting) things which look ridiculously scummy-as-fuck. In short, Yoshi is the player who as town is not earlygame mislynch bait but ismidgamemislynch bait, even endgame mislynch bait: someone who looks just town enough to not be mislynched early-on, but who has enough cumulative scummy things to (1) never be nightkilled, and (2) eventually eat a mislynch when the town runs out of ideas on who to lynch.
And that's basically what I'm seeing. I'm seeing the ambivalence of half-great, half-terrible (the good half is the strenuous task to sort because that reads as ridiculously genuine as fuck; the terrible half is the justification in having done so, to get stuff out to not appear as a lurker), with the great half being more dominant overall.
That's more or less what I'd expect to see from him as town, although this is with the caveat that my game experience with him is somewhat-limited (I think I can count encounters with him on one hand?) so that's a read I'll definitely be asking for second/third/etc. opinions on when I actually get the chance to ask for opinions on reads. (Which I won't get until I'm actually fucking caught up and producing over ten new pages a day when the average amount of new pages per day I read is 10-20 and thus new pages are being produced at least as fast if not faster than I can read them is a good way to make sure that doesn't fucking happen.)
Basically, I think he's definitely more likely to be town here, much moreso than my initial feeling, but he's still among my weaker townreads because I lack confirmation of my take being accurate more or less.
Anyways, to continue, I think mastina has shown through her posts that she's coming from a genuine town thought process. My RECK read was really just a feel (a considerably strong one) of the gamestate and how he's interacted, and I'm quite convinced that I need to reconsider. The articulation such as that in 869 is incredibly coherent and I can follow it every step of the way.
Spoiler: 869 quote where I follow
P-edit: Mastina's stuff on chesskid is the shit. Jesus, I just need to stop snorting at wall posts. Mastina is a townlean, up there with RC and Katyusha. Will reconsider RECK and Hinduragi is down with chesskid3.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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In post 1254, mastina wrote:When a town player tries to establish dominance, it is a means to an end--the goal is to lynch scum with it.
When a scum player tries to establish dominance, the dominance IS the ends--the goal is to establish it and then maintain it throughout the game.
I'm being quite the sheep, but I really jive with these.In post 1259, mastina wrote:Speaking of, the very fucking fact that I got wagoned over halfway to a lynch is all the fucking proof in the world that I'm town this game.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Maybe I shouldn't be the one saying this, but those posts from mastina are a very minute and considerably insignificant part of her entire ISO.In post 1235, Aneninen wrote:As for Mastin, I don't think I need break down all her posts.
I remember this kind of gamestyle from her very well. The "grab out a couple of posts and give one-word answers like "town", "scum", the relative absense and big walls included.
That was town Mastin. (Apart from a single game where she was actually SK, but she was scumhunting.)
I wouldn't say I'd give her a free pass just because of her style in mid- or late-game, but that's good enough for me on Day.
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EBWOP: Aneninen's reads on Screen and chesskid.In post 1268, BigYoshiFan wrote:Eh, okay. Still a bad read in my opinion. Actually, I feel like that for Screen and chesskid too.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Mastina, did you meta me at all? Because I just looked through my games and... well...
Mini Normal 1814 - Lynched Day 4
Mini Normal 1832 - Killed for PR
Micro 649 - Lynched Day 2
Large Normal 197 - Played as scum
Undertale Mafia - Lynched Day 9
Large Normal 201 - Killed for PR Night 2, but honestly, was likely gonna get lynched if it wasn't for that
BIOCHEMISTRY - Lynched Day 3
Mini Normal 1908 - Lynched Day 3
Mini Normal 1980 - Easy game for town.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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You're still downplaying it. It might be a summary but at the same time it's undermining the credibility of the read and I feel like that was intentional. It's not just because he's loud and obnoxious and controlling.In post 1281, Hinduragi wrote:
You literally said it's him trying to control but this is what chesskid has always done and apparently still continues to do. He's always loud and obnoxious. I'm not downplaying anything, it's just a summary. Everyone's writing unnecessary paragraphs in this game. I'm keeping it short and sweet because there's too much noise as is.In post 930, BigYoshiFan wrote:
I don't like how you have significantly downplayed my reasoning for scumreading him, nor am I sure of what "pretending everyone is following him via shouting" means.In post 814, Hinduragi wrote:Yoshi, I'm not following why you scumread chesskid just because he is doing what he has always done: pretending everyone is following him via shouting
I mean, is that it?
He's trying to take town under his reigns with the power of his voice and not his willpower or intention to help the town. His push for receiving the hider invention is disgusting too. It's scummy, I don't know what else to say that RC hasn't because I don't want to repeat the same thing and appear to be taking credit. His defense of RECK was unfounded at the time, and I agree that it has high potential to be an attempt to pocket. And lastly, even if he is town, if he continues like he has he won't be a huge loss to town as compared to other town.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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What, your gut also counts for a quantifiable read? Or was I supposed to infer that your questioning meant you scumread me? What else is there? I don't care about what LLD said or how they did it.In post 1291, Hinduragi wrote:In post 941, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Okay, then vote me?In post 938, Hinduragi wrote:Lel, I’m at work phoneposting so I won’t be able to read until after I’m off but I want to throw out something
LLD said Yoshi was scum after I mentioned my question at him and tbh my guy says the same
Chess kid/mastina 1v1 is lulz and I’m not doing that either. Let’s lynch someone else please
@chesskid3: What's your read on me?Unvote; Vote: YoshiIn post 1227, BigYoshiFan wrote: Hinduragi is steadily climbing down my reads list for downplaying my read of chesskid and stepping back to reference his teammates instead of his own reason to push me.
Hold up. I'm not referencing my teammates as my sole reason for you being scum. LLD mentioned you randomly and it got me to look closer at you after all the spamposting has hindered me reading many others' posts. And my gut is inclined to agree. I take responsibility for my own thoughts and never implied I was thinking you're scum just because LLD told me one thing. Don't say things that aren't there. I'm not asking for any help from anyone and I don't think anyone cares enough to really give it. All of us are busy and there's more memes in our team chat than discussions. LLD just randomly popped in to my game channel after I was laid out my thoughts on my game and said that.me wrote: LLD said Yoshi was scum after I mentioned my question at him and tbh my gut says the sameThere's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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*twitch*In post 1309, Hinduragi wrote:
AbsolutelyIn post 1300, BigYoshiFan wrote:What, your gut also counts for a quantifiable read?
It's my strongest tool for scumhunting. But it's ok. Noone's going to really listen to you or me as you attempt to discredit my vote/reasoning. This game's an easy win for you guys.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Votes stop after 4 days, and I don't know how close we are, and I trust RC.
There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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Thanks???????? What's this snark for?In post 1357, chesskid3 wrote:its the first 4 game days BigYoshiFan proving yet again hes a genius
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Sure, but I think it's better than not placing a vote at all. I don't know how to use it.In post 1360, xRECKONERx wrote:
You do realize optimal play is NOT to give it to the person you most trust/think is town, right?In post 1355, BigYoshiFan wrote:Votes stop after 4 days, and I don't know how close we are, and I trust RC.
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In post 1375, chesskid3 wrote:
its elect not vote and its game days not rl daysIn post 1373, BigYoshiFan wrote:This page, huh?There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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yey.
I'm gonna piggyback off some of the things you said.
I don't like calling emotion fake, especially while the person appears vulnerable, but now that it's the topic of the day: this is fake af, designed to shut down any further conversation with me. "No one will listen to you or me, so why try at all?"In post 1309, Hinduragi wrote:
AbsolutelyIn post 1300, BigYoshiFan wrote:What, your gut also counts for a quantifiable read?
It's my strongest tool for scumhunting. But it's ok. Noone's going to really listen to you or me as you attempt to discredit my vote/reasoning. This game's an easy win for you guys.
I still can't get over this. First of all, this seems like quite the over-explanation. Second, your main reason for scumreading me is gut. That's all you got? Are you having troubles finding and explaining your own reads? Like, I can't quite articulate what disturbs me about this and I need to sleep. Many of my reads start off as gut reads, but leaving it at that instead of explaining does no good. What did LLD say? I can't tell if LLD literally just said "BigYoshiFan" and that's it or if she actually scumread me for something, because I feel like if it was the latter you would use it.In post 1291, Hinduragi wrote:Hold up. I'm not referencing my teammates as my sole reason for you being scum. LLD mentioned you randomly and it got me to look closer at you after all the spamposting has hindered me reading many others' posts. And my gut is inclined to agree. I take responsibility for my own thoughts and never implied I was thinking you're scum just because LLD told me one thing. Don't say things that aren't there. I'm not asking for any help from anyone and I don't think anyone cares enough to really give it. All of us are busy and there's more memes in our team chat than discussions. LLD just randomly popped in to my game channel after I was laid out my thoughts on my game and said that.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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In post 1581, chesskid3 wrote:Hindu I dont have amy experience with RC before this
but it only makes sense if RC scum is saving Mastina scum right? Like the series of actions including your wagon just doesn't make logical sense any other wayThere's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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This AtE on RC is atrocious.In post 1579, Hinduragi wrote:Jesus how am I a lynch rn? Seriously? You think I would even give a fuck about your little spout as scum? Don’t kid yourself RC. You fucking suck at this game if you even comprehend a world where I’m scum in this game. You’re so caught up in your own reads and how you think I give a fuck if I’m your top townread and how I’ll react to it. I don’t give a damn about you. I don’t speak with chesskid because unlike you, I know reasoning with chesskid isn’t worth it for me. I’m not spamming 30 pages just to get a point across to a single person. Lo and behold, look, he’s come around and is already on board with something else that isn’t lynch mastina.
I’d respond to something else but I’m not on a computer and I need to work. Also, you’ve got some of the scummiest players in the game joining you but nope, you don’t care, because you’re too deluded. I don’t know why anyone even thinks I’d pick scum. I hate scum roles. I wouldn’t give a flying fuck about this game or this spam as scum. I wouldn’t try to calm down everyone and reason through finding scum. I have no opinion on mastina but the spam was going to ruin the game and I made the posts I did with the help of my team to STOP that spam that YOU helped create you antitown fuck. I don’t care if it’s reactionary because it’s still on YOU the same as it is on chesskid to make that decision. No one held you to your keyboard st gunpoint and forced you to post as, between the 4 of you, you guys posted over 29 pages together. And I’m targeting mastina and reck because 1.) LLD told me mastina would stop instigating if I posted that and 2.) I know reck is town and don’t give a fuck about buddying this game. Reck is my friend, I am confident in my read, and I know he will calm down and forget about you fucks and work with me if I just talk to him. So whatever garbage story you’ve all just spun to say my post is anything other than what it was, trying to stop that bullshit you’ve been spouting, is not only wrong but absurd. And you know what? You don’t give a fuck about team mafia either after all your crap about this being the most competitive event onsite. Clearly you’re just an emotional wreck if you’re out here reacting to everything chesskid is saying and you’re hurt and need to cry about it. That wasn’t helping us win this game, it was hurting it. Ignoring chesskid has and continues to be something that works when it comes to reasoning with him. (Sorry ck but it’s true) I’ll respond to whatever walls later tonight but I never expected this. Good God you are all over the place. Fix your shit. Calm yourself. And for the love of God, humble yourself. It makes you much worse at playing the game when you have no idea that maybe, just maybe, you might be wrong about something.There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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I'm choosing to ignore this. Fuck off.In post 1588, chesskid3 wrote:i.e. is AtE something you think is legitimately a scumtell? or do you just use it as a useless buzzword to make yourself feel more important?There's a fine line between genius and sociopathy.
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