Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Titus]

I was asked. Been awhile. I will start my magic in the morning.

[Titus]

Are you aware of why you were asked above anyone else?

Also KMD gave some reads-changing thoughts but I don't care enough to transcribe them all rn.

Favorite out of replacements.

[Titus]

My reads are few and my lynchpool is large. Would not lynch Dino/Radja/maybe Dunker/maybe Elena. Would pretty much lynch anyone else as what would help me most are flips of any kind. It bugs me that Aeronaut isn’t here without even an apology post.

What's the VC At? How long until deadline?

[Titus]

Bins, Eddie wants me to have you cite the meta as he usually only wallposts as town.

[Titus]

it's a policy vote/wagon
not an actual policy lynch

join it because we have nothing better to do while we wait for like 8 players to get into the game

VOTE: Mathdino

Why didn't you policy me until I caught up?

[Titus]

Votecount 1.08

T-Bone (2)

Bins , Titus ,

Titus (3)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

havingfitz (4)

Smocaine , Keychain , Elena Fisher , ChannelDelibird ,

Bins (1)

Almost50 ,

Mathdino (1)

Dunkerdoodles ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Mathdino ,

Almost50 (1)

Radja ,

Not Voting (2)

Aeronaut , havingfitz ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Zero desire to vote fitz with this low of a wagon participation rate. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the votes on us two were town pissed at the arguments.

[Titus]

@Almost50 Hi.

[Titus]

Can I see where the vc is?

[Titus]

Y'all overestimate how easy it'll be to get me lynched. Like I said, very few people have commented on the new info at hand, and almost everyone scumreading me is either 1. doing it off of tone/disagreement or 2. someone I scumread anyway. Bins, you act like it's normal that Radja completely 180's his read on me after I throw a line of shade his way for a laughable "Thanks for confirming you're scum" comment. That shit comes from scum much more often than not. Town doesn't tunnel like that.

And the Titus reads are almost equally ridiculous. Eddie scumread was never overly expanded on, Transcend scumread was for being useless, and Titus is still catching up.

I have decided to fuck reading atm until night phase and decide reads solely based on VCs. Enjoy the usual me.

[Titus]

VOTE: Bins

I feel like this now.

[Titus]

@Bulba, My team says they are sorry.

@Bins, Hey, you know that thing where players over explain survival votes as scum? Check. That's what you just did. Now tell me, what's your TBone read? Or is that read just a car crash waiting to happen?

[Titus]

@Titus: Get off Bins. She's an Aronis-level read for me. Remember Night and Day. You know what that means. Join me on A50 for great justice!

VOTE: A50

My team really wants to work with you, so I will do that since they have read the game. My initial impression is there is something drastically wrong in Tbone and Bins. RC team might be scum as well as scum RC tends to exaggerate and attack me when I am correct.

[Titus]

Ugghhhh.

I'm stonewalling that slot basically on KMD's understanding of Transcend meta.

I don't wanna lynch Titus just because RC thinks he can read like 5 posts.

Who in the tournament is familiar with Transcend meta? I'd ask Mulch but... :/

Does Firebringer know Transcend?

fuck meta. what are we trying to accomplish in our posts?

[Titus]

Okay, I got more information on the Titus scumread. Paraphrased:
He can't really explain it but it's something about the way she talks, and Bins or most other players should be able to confirm he's pretty good at reading Titus consistently (bar Anime uPick where he says he was stalling for more time to read her). He was/is pretty concerned that Titus will try to organise a quicklynch, since this has happened before where she's been scum with town RC.

Spoiler: (VC spoilered by Keychain)

Votecount 1.08

T-Bone (2)

Bins , Titus ,

Titus (3)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

havingfitz (4)

Smocaine , Keychain , Elena Fisher , ChannelDelibird ,

Bins (1)

Almost50 ,

Mathdino (1)

Dunkerdoodles ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Mathdino ,

Almost50 (1)

Radja ,

Not Voting (2)

Aeronaut , havingfitz ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Zero desire to vote fitz with this low of a wagon participation rate. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the votes on us two were town pissed at the arguments.

@Bulba, My team says they are sorry.

@Bins, Hey, you know that thing where players over explain survival votes as scum? Check. That's what you just did. Now tell me, what's your TBone read? Or is that read just a car crash waiting to happen?

These are the two posts that make him strongly believe Titus is scum. From how urgent he was, I think Titus is his top scumread right now.

This I have trouble believing comes from town RC. RC knows that I have been polishing my VCA based on play at MU. One of the things I have found there is the more players that are on major wagons, the more likely you have scum wagoned.

Second, asking Bins to talk about their TBone read in a snarky tone (because I think they are partners) is in no way pushing for a quick lynch of players at all.

[Titus]

This is where I am at atm based on vc and reactions


Me

fitz bulba dunker
Elena
Mathdino (his wagon pure though so that is why he is lower), Aeronaut (fits forgetful villa profile) chesskid
Null Remainder
Keychain Bins CDB (Bins not lower do to Bulba) A50




TBone

[Titus]

@Bulba talk to me about my reads.

[Titus]

@Titus: Can you repost the list in a way that's easier for me to parse? I'm unsure about where the line of degrees are for some of your reads.

I will try.

Lock town: Me
Strong Town: Fitz Bulba Dunker
Weak Town: Elena
Gun to my head town: Mathdino Aeronaut Chesskid
Null: Leftovers
Weak scum: Keychain CDB Bins



Needs to die: TBone (Has extremely passive voting, reacted extremely negative to me trying to get Bins to assess his read, defensive snark (what I am calling it) when interacting with Transcend. Deflects all attempts to read him with omgus.

Just what are you agreeing with Bulba?

[Titus]

Forgot A50 in lean scum. Please add him.

[Titus]

This is Titus when she replaces into a scumslot. Go ahead and look at her 'needs to die' reasoning, and you'll see it.

Why don't you explain why you are doubtcasting me here rather than stating both me and Transcend catching you is scummy? Oh wait, doubtcasting is what you do. You did the same tactic on Transcend earlier.

Do you have any engagement on the reads I have put out at the moment aside from the one on you or are you trying to create drama to get me lynched and ignored?

[Titus]

@Fitz: Thought about this last night, but bed and all that: Can you explain why you have a high townread of me? You said nothing about me at all in your catchup, and I would have expected at least some mention of something you agreed with, or even just my tiff with Skirt that led to my taking time completely away from the game. You mentioned the LLD explosion, but nothing about my V/LA that came before that. I found that odd.

Oh I forgot to mention LLD slot I am reading based on votes because LLD is very capable of angry scum. I just don't see the game dying on equal wagkns if LLD slot scum.

[Titus]

Her reads are the same, and more importantly, nonsensical in their nature, from what little she has let on.

Now, you might say "well, of course, her reads are the same, her team is confirmed town to her" and you may be right. Her nonsensical reads might be due to her team giving quick reads, and that might be a fair assessment. Except Skirt is still on her team, and he paid attention to our game, and he had the same problems with his reads.

VCA is not "nonsense". You also have put zero effort into understanding or sorting me at all. Second, I don't 100% agree with my team. If I was playing solo, I probably would still be voting Bins.

Again, I still have no idea which reads you actually dispute as inaccurate despite putting this to you as a direct question. This reeks of scum just wanting to shade me as putting out jibberish to disciurage engagement and substantive thought rather than contributing to the thread and sorting my alignment.

Everytime you try to argue with loaded phrases rather than ask questions or solve things I will call you out on it(unless my team and TRs get annoyed).

[Titus]

@Titus: Can you repost the list in a way that's easier for me to parse? I'm unsure about where the line of degrees are for some of your reads.

I will try.

Lock town: Me
Strong Town: Fitz Bulba Dunker
Weak Town: Elena
Gun to my head town: Mathdino Aeronaut Chesskid
Null: Leftovers
Weak scum: Keychain CDB Bins



Needs to die: TBone (Has extremely passive voting, reacted extremely negative to me trying to get Bins to assess his read, defensive snark (what I am calling it) when interacting with Transcend. Deflects all attempts to read him with omgus.

Just what are you agreeing with Bulba?

I agree with Dunker and Math (gun to head is a good way to phrase it). I'd add Radja to the strong town category, for similar reasons to Dunker (assuming we're reading the slots the same way). I'm town on Elena now. I had an initial scum ping when I first started reading, but I really liked how she changed stances on LLD and didn't think that came from scum. I'm less certain now. A lot of players I trust are saying that she's probably scum. So I'm trying to figure out why the players who townread her do so and why the players that think she's scum think so. I haven't gotten a reply on that yet. I guess until then I agree with you on weak town, even though I want the read to be stronger one way or the other. Surprisingly, I think we might agree on Key. I didn't like his entrance, and I haven't seen anything that'd make me think town. Granted, I haven't seen anything explicitly scum, either, so he's probably further up the null category for me. Mainly, I'm trusting my townreads on this one, but it's not something I believe myself. I'd like to know what you're seeing there.

As for CDB and Chess, they're kinda *shrug*. Chess I'm giving time to get in fully, so not interested in looking that direction today. CDB I don't feel particularly one way or the other. I'd like you to go more into Aero, because he is similar to CDB for me.

P-edit: I was going to ask that, forgot, then saw your reasoning. That's cool.

We're not. I am townreading Dunker for his vote on TBone because the wagon on Transcend seems to be retalitory for Transcend catching Tbone. The LLD wagon appears to have formed for removing her vote on us. I don't see how Radja enters that equation.

I am reading Key through Radiant Cowbells. We have been watching each other play on Mafia Universe where I have been honing my early game VCA but it's not perfect yet. An indicator of whether or not the early wagons are good is the number of players participating in major wagons close to deadline. The fewer, the less likely a wagon is on scum (heavy busses happen though). This is the wagon participation rate. RC is aware of this, so his professed scumread is off. The whole thing about pushing for a quicklynch is also off as RC knows I use my vote to test theories before I get invested.

[Titus]

Tbone

Which of my reads do you think are right and wrong and why?

[Titus]

We're not. I am townreading Dunker for his vote on TBone because the wagon on Transcend seems to be retalitory for Transcend catching Tbone. The LLD wagon appears to have formed for removing her vote on us. I don't see how Radja enters that equation.

Okay. I'm reading them in a way that is similar to how I read players like Aronis, which is mainly how they just approach the game. I don't think I can express it better than that, and I couldn't give concrete "This is why they're town" reasons if I wanted to. Genuineness would probably come out of my mouth, but beyond that, I'd just be forcing points. So gut, but more than gut, if that makes sense?

Ok. I'll just roll with that for now since Radja is not an SR of mine. I will look to sort him if we are both on.

@TBone, Parenthenticals provide the explanation beyond my VCA. You still are dodging my question though. Which read conclusions of mine do you think are right? Which do you think are wrong and why?

[Titus]

I have also spent great lengths on why Keychain/RC is in my lean scum category relative to my post count. As for CDB and Bins, that's my gut feel based on the vote history so far.

[Titus]

Okay, I got more information on the Titus scumread. Paraphrased:
He can't really explain it but it's something about the way she talks, and Bins or most other players should be able to confirm he's pretty good at reading Titus consistently (bar Anime uPick where he says he was stalling for more time to read her). He was/is pretty concerned that Titus will try to organise a quicklynch, since this has happened before where she's been scum with town RC.

Spoiler: (VC spoilered by Keychain)

Votecount 1.08

T-Bone (2)

Bins , Titus ,

Titus (3)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

havingfitz (4)

Smocaine , Keychain , Elena Fisher , ChannelDelibird ,

Bins (1)

Almost50 ,

Mathdino (1)

Dunkerdoodles ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Mathdino ,

Almost50 (1)

Radja ,

Not Voting (2)

Aeronaut , havingfitz ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Zero desire to vote fitz with this low of a wagon participation rate. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the votes on us two were town pissed at the arguments.

@Bulba, My team says they are sorry.

@Bins, Hey, you know that thing where players over explain survival votes as scum? Check. That's what you just did. Now tell me, what's your TBone read? Or is that read just a car crash waiting to happen?

These are the two posts that make him strongly believe Titus is scum. From how urgent he was, I think Titus is his top scumread right now.

This I have trouble believing comes from town RC. RC knows that I have been polishing my VCA based on play at MU. One of the things I have found there is the more players that are on major wagons, the more likely you have scum wagoned.

Second, asking Bins to talk about their TBone read in a snarky tone (because I think they are partners) is in no way pushing for a quick lynch of players at all.

Here's one such post that explains how I feel on Keychain.

[Titus]

This also might be stupid, but at first I was going to townread her since she said she was going to wait until a flip happened and just read everything in context then (since that was my plan as well and it makes sense in my mind), but then she went immediately against that and started trying to have an entrance / foothold in the game. If there's day-talk, then this just feels like Titus could have come in with a plan of what to do, and then that plan shifted once she started getting the lowdown from her team.

That could be a crackpot theory though. I've been into those lately.

I don't believe I intended to wait for a flip. Rather, I was just not going to read what came before mostly barring needing context for my vca.

[Titus]

Doesn't RC normally scumread you, though?

Yes but he usually attempts some effort to engage me first.

[Titus]

Y'all overestimate how easy it'll be to get me lynched. Like I said, very few people have commented on the new info at hand, and almost everyone scumreading me is either 1. doing it off of tone/disagreement or 2. someone I scumread anyway. Bins, you act like it's normal that Radja completely 180's his read on me after I throw a line of shade his way for a laughable "Thanks for confirming you're scum" comment. That shit comes from scum much more often than not. Town doesn't tunnel like that.

And the Titus reads are almost equally ridiculous. Eddie scumread was never overly expanded on, Transcend scumread was for being useless, and Titus is still catching up.

I have decided to fuck reading atm until night phase and decide reads solely based on VCs. Enjoy the usual me.

@Aero, Fucking reading does not mean Zero effort to be involved.

[Titus]

@Aero: Did you actually read any of the Team Mafia rules?

Yeah, all of them. There an issue?

Yeah, given that scum having day chat is in the Team Mafia rule set.

Doesn't RC normally scumread you, though?

Yes but he usually attempts some effort to engage me first.

Would the added barrier of Key affect that at all?

It is my belief that RC would ask Key to engage me and my thoughts. I cannot rule your point out which is why RC/Key is lean scum.

[Titus]

He wasn't trying to be genuine
he wasn't trying to lynch himself
It was an act. What that act was trying to accomplish is the selling point here and given what me and Chara have talked over it is coming from town A50

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE I CAN EMPHASISE THIS.

A50 is a manipulative little shit as

both alignments

.

I nullread the initial "lynch me guys" thing but with the benefit of hindsight and extra information, A50 is town, and the players outside of this game who claim actual experience with A50 back it up.

Pick someone else to lynch. Ideally LLDslot.

I sympathize with your frustrations. I simply do not have time to read 5 threads before nightfall and keep up with work. I am doing what I am best at, which is wagon analysis.

I am lukewarm on lynching A50. I am there to work with my team who wants us working with Bulba. I would rather lynch TBone here.

Note Elena falls down a bit for the doubtcast to weak town.

[Titus]

VC here

[Titus]

Ok that's me wanting a request. Please add a please.

[Titus]

Titus slot for me is hard cause it's like

Eddie was a hard tr for me
transcend comes in makes it worse
titus comes in not much better
so ehhhh

Let's get this out of vague territory. What were you expecting of me? Why is my posting "not much better"?

[Titus]

Eddie was an initial scumread followed by a later townread after the blow-up.

Transcend made my team hard townread that slot.

Titus is adopting an insurmountable task of catching up in Team Fucking Mafia 2018. I don't trust Raybells's (or anyone's) ability to read Titus off like a dozen posts in a situation like this.

A specific thing happened that makes me seriously question the Transcend part of my read.

But in order to do that, I need someone familiar with Transcend meta.

The people scumreading Transcend so far have not demonstrated any familiarity. So I'm waiting on that, and until then, I'm not lynching Titus.

Well if you feel like I cannot be read based on the amount of posts can you engage on my reads to try and read me?

[Titus]

@Aeronaut, I cannot find the post I am replying to but I wanted to test Bins/TBone as scum partners based on the VCs so I voted Bins. Verdict still out on that test but I am 85% sure at least one is scum.

[Titus]

Eddie Paraphrase

1) He confirms he is reading detailfully. Ask him stuff.
2) Bulba, A50, and Keychain are town to Eddie. Dunker read wavers due to meta but still hard town. Radja is no longer hard town but null/scum read. No strong SRs but TBone is pretty scummy.
3) He doesn't hate an A50 vote enough to yell it down (same place I am at tbh) and he understands I'm doing the best, but would prefer if we could vote elsewhere.

Titus adlib: Bulba this is for you...

4) Eddie and Giga both have no idea what you're geting at, but we think its town. lol
5) Actually, Eddie gets what you're getting at with UCV but he doesn't think you're necessarily right. Can be town lean for now but their content is reallllly bad.
6) Bins is scummy.
also, 7) The team feels they should answer why Titus is our sub. They had other options, like Assemble and Ran. ETL and Blue guy were busy. So, Titus was the best option. We collectively know her and respect her play. Her VCA will be useful in this game if she lasts to d3/d4, of course, but regardless she can help us with our other games for whoever survives til late with her well known VCA. Most importantly, they were personally considering asking someone like ThinkBig to sub in who's just hilariously awful at scum. They decided that wasn't a fair thing to do, was against the spirit, he would be far less helpful than Titus at solving late games, and .. we just like Titus more. If you think Titus is a great scum pick, fine, she's known as better scum than town so whatever that's fair ish, but if that slot was scum we would have picked someone who had more time on their hands for sure. That sounds weird, but a scum win is far more valuable than a town win and if we had rolled a scum pm we really couldn't afford to lose that game. If you look at Titus' recent games, they're all proof she's just way busier now than she used to be. Still active enough to actually be helpful, but if you think this is the dangerous titus scum game stfu


That's what Eddie said. I've tweaked it a bit so it's not a direct copy/paste while trying to preserve his voice

@Mathdino

[Titus]

Titus slot for me is hard cause it's like

Eddie was a hard tr for me
transcend comes in makes it worse
titus comes in not much better
so ehhhh

Let's get this out of vague territory. What were you expecting of me? Why is my posting "not much better"?

Your entrance hardcore pinged me for !scum titus waiting for more from you hug friend

My entrance of pissing people off pinged hard for wanting to hug people. Ok... Not much I can say to that, other than it's just completely divorced from what I'm doing. So *shrug* if you're villager.

What are your other reads?

[Titus]

Wow it's almost like this game wants to lynch all the players with good reads

thanks Eddie I feel less shit about myself now

so titus are you like gonna vote anyone

I am voting A50, voted Bins earlier, would vote TBone?

[Titus]

Titus slot for me is hard cause it's like

Eddie was a hard tr for me
transcend comes in makes it worse
titus comes in not much better
so ehhhh

Let's get this out of vague territory. What were you expecting of me? Why is my posting "not much better"?

Your entrance hardcore pinged me for !scum titus waiting for more from you hug friend

My entrance of pissing people off pinged hard for wanting to hug people. Ok... Not much I can say to that, other than it's just completely divorced from what I'm doing. So *shrug* if you're villager.

What are your other reads?

I have fitz as lock scum wanna join me?

Fitz is LLD slot who I have zero interest in voting ATM.

[Titus]

Shame

Do you have interest in voting any of my other scumreads/leans?

[Titus]

vc soonish

Votecount 1.10

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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We should try to get the wagons to coalesce. I'd very very shocked if none of the wagons were on scum. There might be multiples. This has a higher wagon participation rate... or a zero one. None of these are my personal preference though which is rather weird.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

It's not a bad D1 lynch and I'm for it. I agree that I don't think town!Titus comes in here guns blazing at me with such conviction before reading the game.

Man, I told you this was Scum by play and not by any other convoluted process!

Either fitz is Scum and Bins is trying to save him, or Titus is and she's distancing by voting there when the wagon is cooling off, and I can't tell for sure but I'm now leaning the former.

I initiated the Fitz wagon initially and cooled off later.

[Titus]

I am being forced to reasses that opinion due to the recent wagon changes.

[Titus]

Right now, my impression is that Bins and Fitz share an alignment at this time.

[Titus]

Right now, my impression is that Bins and Fitz share an alignment at this time.

Well there is one scenario where Bins and Fitz don't share an alignment that's also viable but tenuous.

[Titus]

Right now, my impression is that Bins and Fitz share an alignment at this time.

Yeah, please lynch this. How is this even a remotely good argument? You can’t even think of a scenario where Fitz and I are town and scum? Like it’s impossible I’m town if Fitz is scum?


Good analysis.

I can. It requires Fitz town and you scum and your team trying to coalesce v v wagons to protect A50 or Mathdino.

[Titus]

Hello, bear with me while I pass on more messages from RC.

RayBells (should be cross-referencing games, I haven't seen him do that yet)

He doesn't know exactly what you mean here with cross-referencing and would like a clarification. He suggests

hiplop

give an opinion on RC's Bins read, and you can check with Bins and Titus on whether his claim to be able to read them accurately is correct.


For Titus:
I'm not a reaction test player, but he is. He wanted to put you under some pressure early on because he reads you best in that context and didn't want to screw it up like Masamune, and his read on you is now very probably town.

He also doesn't agree with the larger part of your reads and says you should help us with Fitz.

Explain the gamestate to me if Fitz scum please.

[Titus]

Does someone want to find for me in what place Keychain voted LLd/Fitz and whether theyved moved thr vote since?

I can do that for you, though it really wouldn't have been a whole lot of work to do yourself. I voted the slot in 1028 and I have not moved my vote since.

Hello, bear with me while I pass on more messages from RC.

RayBells (should be cross-referencing games, I haven't seen him do that yet)

He doesn't know exactly what you mean here with cross-referencing and would like a clarification. He suggests

hiplop

give an opinion on RC's Bins read, and you can check with Bins and Titus on whether his claim to be able to read them accurately is correct.


For Titus:
I'm not a reaction test player, but he is. He wanted to put you under some pressure early on because he reads you best in that context and didn't want to screw it up like Masamune, and his read on you is now very probably town.

He also doesn't agree with the larger part of your reads and says you should help us with Fitz.

Explain the gamestate to me if Fitz scum please.

Hell if I know anything about the gamestate, I tend to rely more on independent reads, but I don't see reason to believe he's not scum from it. Wagons are split fairly evenly in like four different directions. I don't think they're all town and therefore we should lynch within them. Since there is guaranteed to be at least one townie in them and likely multiple, scum will most likely be pushing to lynch one of the townies. Fitz is the one I think is scum, because I have reason to townread the rest. Is that what you were looking for?

word from creature says havingfitz!scum

as well as titus

ad chesskid. I actually agree... VOTE: havingfitz titus can go tomorrow.

other than that

(bolding mine)

Picture RC being really loudly frustrated in capslock at the thought of Creature scumreading Titus when RC thinks she's town. Also hi UCV!

It's a good step. Why do you townread the others? From my perspective, Fitz has a highish likelihood of being town and Fitz and I are pushed to save scum. I am reassessing Fitz though due to Bins recent play.

[Titus]

I honestly think T-Bone's alignment flips this game for me, but I still don't want to lynch him D1.

If T-Bone is scum, I need to re-evaluate my reads. I would probably then be convinced that LLD is scum with him. And maybe Chesskid/Smoc slot. A50 can also fit in this.

If T-Bone is town and Titus is indeed scum, I think I need to look closely and confirm my Elena read. Not sure who fills the gap in there, maybe A50?

This is mostly because T-Bone looks town from my current perspective and my scumread on him is entirely tonal and it isn't enough right now. I feel like we're agreeing more on reads now, so if he's scum, I'm just plain wrong about everything else imo.


p-edit - Yes, I have experience with Transcend!

Why would you not want to lynch the slot that solves the game for you D1? Why are all of your reads gut/tone? Does your team have anything to say? Why does this feel like words for words sake?

[Titus]

b) Some of my results necessitate that UCV should be SCUM in here for the global VCA to work properly. It's nor too probable, but IS possible.

Talk to me about this please.

[Titus]

VC please mod. Sorry for nagging.

[Titus]

I honestly think T-Bone's alignment flips this game for me, but I still don't want to lynch him D1.

If T-Bone is scum, I need to re-evaluate my reads. I would probably then be convinced that LLD is scum with him. And maybe Chesskid/Smoc slot. A50 can also fit in this.

If T-Bone is town and Titus is indeed scum, I think I need to look closely and confirm my Elena read. Not sure who fills the gap in there, maybe A50?

This is mostly because T-Bone looks town from my current perspective and my scumread on him is entirely tonal and it isn't enough right now. I feel like we're agreeing more on reads now, so if he's scum, I'm just plain wrong about everything else imo.


p-edit - Yes, I have experience with Transcend!

Why would you not want to lynch the slot that solves the game for you D1? Why are all of your reads gut/tone? Does your team have anything to say? Why does this feel like words for words sake?

Like the more I see this, the more it nags me.

If TBone is your scumread, then why be opposed to lynching him? If a flip solves the game, why are you opposed? Why are you saying Tbone looks town but is a tonal scumread? Looks town is usually a way of conveying gut.

This is major cognitive dissonance. Is your team helping you solve tjis?

[Titus]

VOTE: Tbone

Sorry Bulba. A50 was a stretch and going nowhere.

Can we vote the obvious scum now?

[Titus]

fitz is town imo

can we do like any other wagon

tbone or bins is good

[Titus]

VOTE: Tbone

Let's do this.

[Titus]

That's a wagonomics question for sure. LLD wagon was specifically framed as an attempted alternative to Titus. A wagon Titus never actually joined, hilariously enough. Also fitz with fitz (heh) not joining the Titus question.

I defer to those with VCA master skills.

Tbh, shading me is something villas could do not knowing I was town. I didn't vote my counter which looks bad.

[Titus]

Dude, you have 500 posts and the rest of us have 125 a pop. If anything, things are getting done in spite of you, because you're a huge barrier. No one can talk around you, no one can interact with anyone else without you getting in the way. Then, you came into Day 2 bragging about how obvious town you were, and decided that because of that you had this huge clout to try and 'pull a gambit'. These are not things that are particularly endearing. Now, they are great if you are scum...not so much if you are town.

And you also targeted a now dead player. The iceberg you are trying to stand on continues to melt. That's why I suggested you slow your roll. I have tried very hard to not complain about your volume posting, because I get why you might feel compelled to do it as town. But now I am asking, if you are town, chill the fuck out. I'm not asking you to change who you are, change your playstyle, or anything like that, just chill out. If you are town stop overtly acting like scum. Why should I or anyone else think that you aren't at this point?

high volume posting is nai. What is dino attempting to accomplish fypov?

[Titus]

Titus:

1. Explain your take on T-bone? It seems unlike you to just sheep me.

2. Who's villas, wat? Pls rewrite your 2173 post

And yeah Fitz also not voting you is pretty questionable too tbh

Villas = villagers = town.

My take on TBone is unchanged from yesterday. Now with Fitz flipping scum, there's more evidence that the wagon on my slot was in retaliation for each of us seeing the vapid, accusatory tone in TBone's posting.

[Titus]

VOTE: Elena

Changed my mind.
This or Titus.

Hey, why Elena or me?

[Titus]

P-edit: I'm not really feeling T-Bone scum.

Talk to me here because TBone and Bins are pretty much the only ppl I want to wagon.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.04

T-Bone (3)

Transcend , Mathdino , Dunkerdoodles ,

Transcend (4)

Lady Lamdadelta , Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

Lady Lamdadelta (1)

Smocaine ,

Bins (2)

Almost50 , Elena Fisher ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Keychain ,

Almost50 (1)

Radja ,

Not Voting (3)

Aeronaut , ChannelDelibird , Bins ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Votecount 1.09

Titus (4)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Bins ,

havingfitz (2)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird ,

Bins (2)

Mathdino , Almost50 ,

Mathdino (4)

Titus , havingfitz , Dunkerdoodles , Elena Fisher ,

Almost50 (1)

Radja ,

Not Voting (2)

Aeronaut , chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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vc soonish

Votecount 1.10

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Given the amount of lynch shopping here and the fact A50 is town, Fitz wagon has at most one scum; likely zero.

[Titus]

Furthermore, scum lkkely feared overloading my wagon.

Add Radja to sort pile.

[Titus]

Titus, I'm really not feeling Bins. Explain that to me because Bins is near the top of my townreads (for real this time).

Bulba's takes on Titus's slot and Elena are convincing as shit. Pretty sure Bulba's town so I'm not in a "SHOULD I TRUST HIM" mindset.

Still wanna get KMD's/mastina's takes on this before we go forward with those 2 lynches. Those seem like exactly the 2 lynches that the scumteam would want to set up for today (assuming both town).

Edit: who tf is scum elena

Bins seems more interested in defendinv themselves and taking jnexplicable potshots at me rather than scumhunting. Consistently pushes town.

[Titus]

If this was a normal game I wouldn't mind my lynch but I can't really do that here sadly.

Join me on TBone and then no one can question if you were a part or not.

[Titus]

Tbone is town Titus. I think this game state is mostly incorrect atm and I want to relook over things with my team
(although a few people are most likely gonna call me scum scrambling)
I'm not interested in a titus Tbone Bins or Math lynch today

Incorrect how?

[Titus]

Tbone is town Titus. I think this game state is mostly incorrect atm and I want to relook over things with my team
(although a few people are most likely gonna call me scum scrambling)
I'm not interested in a titus Tbone Bins or Math lynch today

Incorrect how?

The lynch pool is mostly in the same amount of people. That doesn't sit well with me

Why? Tbone and Bins are the ones that never really took. We also lynched scum so pressuring the same players might net us another.

[Titus]

Edit: who tf is scum elena

you're PoEing yourself out of possible scum

like, dunker is locktown
bulba is likely town
UCV is always a bad lynch (albeit a great vigshot)
aeronaut is probably town but factcheck me on associations with the flip cuz i remember KMD and i saying that flip was bad for aero

so wat

UCV is in my scumpool. Please elaborate why vig and not lynch.

[Titus]

Except I have repeatedly expressed that I also want town!Math to play to the best of his abilities? You're attributing things to me that I haven't said nor do I think. I think you have it in your head that 'Bone hates my playstyle' and you're just reacting instead of reading. I don't hate your playstyle, and the only thing I criticize is your plays. So, come to me when you stop attributing the hate to me.

How does harrassing Mathdino about the theory of his volume of posting help? It just makes a player self-conscious. You've spent more time controlling your alleged townread than scumhunting. If you persist, it would be better to highlight good and bad posts as they happen.

Who is scum?

[Titus]

VOTE: chesskid

My team wants to do this for the moment. I'm going to roll with it if we can pressure TBone and let me fuck around at the same time.

[Titus]

@Keychain what caused RC's read flip flop?

[Titus]

I'm trying to think of what Tituscum would do in the situation of her and her scumbuddy being the main wagons. Cuz Titus decided to go full vanity wagon and actively refused to join her own counterwagon. And under her own VCA, that's scummy as fuck.

I think wagon apathy was caused by scum not helping us lynch fitz, and the fact that half the game hard-townread me and half hard-townread Titus's slot. This is true regardless of Titus's actual alignment.

No. It's grounds for suspicion. It wasn't me or Fitz until I was offline and things snowballed.

[Titus]

Please be patient. I have not posted or relayed my team reads due to a medical thing that came up. Am trying though. Will relay their thoughts later today I hope. Eddie did very detailed reads list and he's rightfully upset for me not posting it.

[Titus]

VOTE: Tbone

Fight me. I'll explain the chesskid asap but dueling wagons help settle reads.

Need to compare later.

Feel terrible about the players starting the Elena wagon but for Bulbazak.

@Keychain, My meta hasn't shifted at all and you tunnelled me hard. Now, you're tunnelling again. What gives? Why is this different? Are you town scum or proud town?

[Titus]

Titus, I still need answers

I still need time to catch up on discord but you lurking on all the wrong wagons late does zilch for me.

I plan on a Sunday catch up or if extremely lucky today.

[Titus]

I don't have one yet. Elena's town though so. TBone is still likely scum or picked as someone scum highly valued early as those would be the main reasons for early Transcend wagon.

To Do: Look at A50 reads
Check Discord

[Titus]

I am back here. Doctor's visits and social engagements over. Eddie left me an updated wall. I have flagged giga for updated chesskid thoughts. Give me a few minutes to paraphrase/format.

[Titus]

Reads going into night of Eddie

Keychain
Math
A50
Bulba
Dunker
UCV
CDB
Radja
CK
Aero
Elena
Bins
TBone

D2 comments

1)Mathdino loyal gambit was dumb.
2) Comment removed pursuant to 2485.
3) Bins should not get any towncredit for not falling for Mathdino's gambit.
4) 2152 The wording here is terribly disingenious and the conclusion is equally bad.

Titus add on. I agree. There was already an admission from Bins that scum!Bins at least considers killing A50 and it was a discussion point for Mathdino as well. Yet you gloss over it entirely Radja.

5) Keychain's next post argues that Elena and LLD is S v S because it is fake and over the top. Eddie agrees.

Titus add on. I do not. This again doesn't feel like Keychain solving things but trying to open up mislynches.

6) Bins, A50 was not anti-town.

My addon. Maybe he was. Maybe not. This type of comment only furthers belief that you are scum trying to get us not to listen to A50 wanting you dead.

7) 2160 Maria, I can see the argument that Gerry and Dunn MIGHT take scum, but saying they take it over you as a blanket statement is not going to fly. You are better than both of them (Gerry explicitly and Dunn now that he does his garbage lurker playstyle), and while I do partially think Gerry wanted a scum pm I think you have lots of grounds to take it to clear yourself is fake.
8) Give me a partner thing on Day 2 is fucking garbage. Lynch the obvscum.
9)2222

Keychain please towncase TBone. This is a request from our whole team.

End of Post by Post

Keychain never flips scum here. He is obvtown.

I have Key as scum though sooo...We will need to talk. The garbage meta read from RC trying to save LLD fits with my VCA theory.

Math is very strong town, the only thing that gives me doubt is actually his FV bs. Not about the loyal modifier. FV would give cover against a watcher and tracker. Still don't vote this.

Bulba is still very townie.

~ End Obv town ~

Dunker is very townie, but he keeps pushing Math scum along with A50 a couple times. Bins/T-Bone being his only other votes (and us). I am still going to call Dunker town, but if Bins and T-Bone are town he's scum. We agree towards the bottom so this is self resolving.

UCV. Lurking bad. Refusal to swap bad. I want a town case from one or more of the people lock towning them, and I want much more and much more consistent posting and thoughts from creature.

CDB, We want more from your team. 2142 is p good though.

Radja, you were lock town for me on like page 10. Stfu with "I thought your whole team had me as obv town". Your #1368 has easy trs and two townies as your only scumreads. 1370, you won't lynch LLD woooo. Then we get to #1636 and things reverse. My two strongest townreads are his two scumreads? And his townreads are bad with scum. 2152, garbage. 2050 is the most disingenuous shit ever, Radja, you weren't even playing the game at that point and you didn't have backwards garbage reads. Scum lean.

CK and Aero need more posting.

We want a Bins towncase.

Eddie feels Elena might be scum with the faked posting regarding taking scum.

TBone do something other than bitch.

Lynch pool as of 2285

My preferred lynch pool is {Elena, Bins, T-Bone}
Compromise votes are {CK, Aero, UCV, Radja}.

Scum pool {T-Bone, Bins, Elena, Radja, UCV, CK, Aero} in that rough ourder imo.

[Titus]

giga isn't feeling chesskid anymore btw

[Titus]

tl;dr - Bulbazak looks like a buddy who didn't know how to treat the LLD slot once she made what he now says were disastrous, would-be-jettisoned-by-scumbuddies mistakes so instead did a lot of hemming and hawwing and objecting until finally feeling forced to lynch fitz.

Except that was never Bulba's position until my VCA indicated it might be a thing and relooked. Bulba stuck his neck out for LLD slot and reassessed. What makes Bulba scum as opposed to a villager who TRed both? If scum were jettisonning LLD slot, having Bulba defend and resign seems like he did not get the memo and makes him look villagery.

[Titus]

vc

Votecount 2.04

T-Bone (1)

Titus ,

Keychain (1)

Elena Fisher ,

Aeronaut (1)

chesskid3 ,

Bins (1)

Aeronaut ,

Bulbazak (2)

ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

Dunkerdoodles , T-Bone , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (3)

Keychain , Bins , Bulbazak ,

Not Voting (1)

UC Voyager ,

Day two deadline is Tuesday February 20, 11 AM PST. (expired on 2018-02-20 11:00:00).

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

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All three wagons that are not vanity are town. I has sads.

[Titus]

Elena why would you be voting me as town here

I happen to agree with Elena.

[Titus]

im actually coming around to bins!scum

i know i townread her last readlist but

I have always felt Bins might be scum and ok voting her but lately I feel there are much better options in TBone Radja and Keychain.

[Titus]

@Keychain

Can you please have RC clarify why he thought TBone was town and why we shouldn't turbo lynch him for trying to shout my mislynch as he argued that he knew me the best?

[Titus]

VOTE: Elena Fisher

Another Sketchy vote on Elena.

As if we needed another reason never to vote there.

[Titus]

VOTE: Elena Fisher

Another Sketchy vote on Elena.

As if we needed another reason never to vote there.

... are you not also scumreading elena or did you forget

VOTE: Elena Fisher

Another Sketchy vote on Elena.

As if we needed another reason never to vote there.

You've done nothing but avoid me for the entire time you've been in this thread so good luck with whatever you're trying to pull.

I don't scumread Elena anymore with this wagon activity and her replies today.

Radja, I addressed my concerns in my wall before. My whole team does not care for you at all. You are a hollow grandstander, just like TBone.

[Titus]

@Keychain

Can you please have RC clarify why he thought TBone was town and why we shouldn't turbo lynch him for trying to shout my mislynch as he argued that he knew me the best?

Wow, misrep of the year candidate?

Him in that sentence was RC. Bad grammar on my part.

[Titus]

Titus we seem to working at crosspurposes here, it's becoming a hassle.

@Keychain

Can you please have RC clarify why he thought TBone was town and why we shouldn't turbo lynch him for trying to shout my mislynch as he argued that he knew me the best?

I gave the reasons he provided for T-Bone.

You would not be turbo lynching him, you would be turbo lynching me. Consult with your team because uh yeah nah. This push on me is weak and suggests you haven't really read the game.


Welcome xyzzy!

You still are dodging. I am asking why we shouldn't lynch your slot for RC's falsehoods about me draped in meta that you relayed.

[Titus]

Titus, did you miss Keychain explaining RC's "scumread" on you as a reaction test? RC's been townreading you since your replace-in. I think the initial "scumread" did damage primarily because no one is paying any attention to this game.

That he didn't retract Day 1? Not buying it.

[Titus]

look i just want to see more explanations of actual scum motivation in people's scumreads. "this person is scummy because such-and-such action" is not good enough when, again, we have a scumflip

i want associations and scum motivation

explain eddie/transcend/titus from a scum perspective

explain elena from a scum perspective

and if you really wanna open up this can of worms, explain my actions from a scum perspective

chesskid is a ludicrous scumread so i'm not even gonna ask for an explanation there; there's no chance he doesn't try to control this game if he swapped into a widely townread scumslot
literally no scum motivation in his ISO outside of being wrong

They are just caught scum pissed that they can't get an ML but no one will vote them.

[Titus]

So we're not voting TBone or Radja or Keychain? They're basically lynch shopping and stalling the game out. The only other slot I'd consider today is xxyzy because recent sub not posting.

Oh and I'm not reading d1.

Transcend wagon was retalitory for pushing Tbone. Scum stalled this game out since.

Call me when you're done chasing your tails.

#crankyTitus

[Titus]

I really don't want to consider Bulba today. Considering he's also on the Elena wagon which is good wagon.

I am defending Bulba. I have been very transparent on the fact he isn't going to be the lynch today.

@CDB - When I have so many scumreads, I don’t have room to doubt my townreads. There are posts Bulba made that I don’t see coming from scum.

Given this game, my regular stance of "I think they're town, but I wouldn't cry if they died." for problematic town is not going to work. I strongly think Bins is town, and while I may have been in shrug mode before regarding a potential wagon and lynch, I've had time to think while away, and I think the way town wins this is by keeping those strong towning players alive. So vehemently against a Bins lynch. Same goes for Dunker and Radja. Fight me!

I get that this could just be me falling for a buddy, but the way this is worded comes across as a town opinion to me. PLEASE do not discredit me by going "Oh, you only like it because it's a townread on you". That's not it. I think the way he was trying to shape his reads to something more decisive was a town-post.

tl;dr - Bulbazak looks like a buddy who didn't know how to treat the LLD slot once she made what he now says were disastrous, would-be-jettisoned-by-scumbuddies mistakes so instead did a lot of hemming and hawwing and objecting until finally feeling forced to lynch fitz.

Except that was never Bulba's position until my VCA indicated it might be a thing and relooked. Bulba stuck his neck out for LLD slot and reassessed. What makes Bulba scum as opposed to a villager who TRed both? If scum were jettisonning LLD slot, having Bulba defend and resign seems like he did not get the memo and makes him look villagery.

^
And pretty much this. I don't agree that Bulba's stance on LLD was a buddy move.

Scum isn't going to outright DEFEND their partner. That isn't how scum play. This is why Bulba isn't scum.

Also, I did the same thing, except I never voted LLD, because I genuinely had one I wanted more than the other. Because my reads weren't fake. She made it clear she was willing to bus, but she also made it clear it wasn't what she really wanted.

Elena's play with LLD is super scummy and her own REACTION to how she perceives her play with LLD as being "obvtown" is super super scummy.

This isn't good enough. In fact, the last post in this sequence (making it clear Elena was willing to vote LLD but making it clear it wasn't what she wanted) IS LITERALLY ALSO WHAT BULBA DID.

Your theory of how scum play is bad and literally just perusing through a couple of MS games is enough to disprove that. If you want, I can go find examples of scum-Bulb defending his partners. Not to prove he's scum for it, but to prove he shouldn't just be townbinned for it.

You can do better than this. I'm pushing you to actually convince me.

No one can convince anyone else here beyond being correct. Pretty sure that's the mo with everyone town in a 5 man echo chamber with minimal dissent.

I need to chat with my team but when we mostly saw the same things I am pretty good on being stubborn here.

The fact Bins engaged to your insults is sign enough to be town.

VC please

[Titus]

i guess ill just sheep math after all that effort
then vote him tmr if bulba flips town

VOTE: bulba

Math is working hard and should be respected. Yet, let's not do the whole vote obv town absolve self just to get the game moving. If you're town, this is a gamewrecking thing. Vote based on you or your team's thoughts.

[Titus]

Disagree on Transcend wagon being a response to T-Bone.

The wagons disagree with you. Words are sugar coating. Look at the people on the Transcend wagon. Either a)the last voter is scum or b) There's at least 2 or c) Tbone was sputtering total nonsense and scum let by and hoped town would tvt those two. Take your picks.

Reading ISOs is a great way to circle jerk myself.

[Titus]

im no longer interested in tbone .

im also mostly interested in people in my 4some pursuing ppl in the 4some not outside

CDB is inactive town
UCV is most likely inactive town
aeroslot could be third scum i guess but we're not lynching an un-caught-up-replace-in
radja would be a policy lynch, nothing more (and fucking lol at policy lynching reck/shea/cheet's reads out of the game, no matter how shitty they are or how little radja is communicating them)

please do something other than push 4 policy wagons

bulba-scum is consistent with your theory that scum don't fkin hardbus in team mafia

I would lynch Aero slot. It's like 4th on my list but it's better than what scum and idiots are pushing.

[Titus]

re: scumhunting: i'm not by-the-book scumhunting if i'm trying to figure out how a scumplayer's actions further their wincon
there isn't a single post LLD made that made me think "huh, doesn't make sense for scum to do that"
while there are NUMEROUS posts titus has made that make me think "god scum would have to be horrible and not communicating at all in order for her to do that kind of shit"

i think titus is much more likely to be left to her own devices D2 as town. eddie and her scumbuddy would be briefing her if she replaced into a scumslot to make damn sure she doesn't get lynched

and when it comes to my perosnal townread on her, unless titus and her entire team are somehow aware that i tend to townread people who straight up lie about public events
i really don't think she's intentionally fucking up for towncred
pissing off RC by claiming he did something that he did not is ESPECIALLY bad for her wincon and is a really great way to get keychain's team to flip shit on her

basically, by doing all this, titus has racked up MORE scumreads than townreads, and hasn't pushed a single viable player this whole day. she isn't ACTING on eddie's reads, she's doing her own thing (which is admittedly pretty much nothing)

THAT is why titus is inconsistent as scum, and i'm only really willing to consider lynching her if the gamestate is crazy enough such that bulba, elena, AND you are all town
if you'd like, i can write up a less shitpost-y towncase on titus

anyway, the world in which chesskid is scum is a world in which smocaine decided to just park his vote on a scumbuddy
then fitz replaces in, gets annoyed, and tries to get chesskid to do anything else
but it doesn't make sense because chesskid doesn't even counterwagon someone viable
instead he votes the magnet of vanity votes, you
promises to push the game around and then does nothing

chesskid-scum doesn't fucking give up lol

Give me your votes, and I "do things".

I can't be simultaneously pushing scum by myself and doing nothing.

Just what would you define as doing something? Persuading people who have deaf ears and read not by VCA but by charisma? No one has been talking to each other for awhile now. I'm just admitting it.

There's a definite scumpool in this game right now. If you're going to unilaterally declare, that the scum aren't viable, I'll unilaterally do the same and we have a standoff. Or, we can talk without the arrogance.

[Titus]

Transcend wagon was retalitory for pushing Tbone. Scum stalled this game out since.

THIS IS FALSE

Why does town!Titus continue to say something that is easily provable to be false, so long as you take 30 seconds to read the game? (answer: town!Titus doesn't do that DUH)

I got more, but I think it is important for me to just plain point out the false things Titus says (yesterday notwithstanding).

You know full well that I don't read on replacing in and just use the vcs to do. Show me what the skirt skirt/transcend wagon was for rather than just saying I'm wrong. If it takes 30 seconds to do, then correcting my narrative shouldn't take that long.

[Titus]

TBone, stop repeating the same nonsense and actually use the votes.

You keep saying votes don't tell the story. They do. Votes say what players value.

Mathdino doesn't get that either. You seem to think that XYZ words change the VCs. Our slot has had a consistent scumread on you and got wagoned for it. You picked fights with town Math and town me trying to force your view of the gamestate which at best is objectively wrong to where scum want to save you early day 1. You got into a shouting match with Mathdino today. That's all you have done.

Radja has zero interest in doing anything other than sheep you because there is a strong pattern of him consistently sheeping to vote whatever town wagon is on the table. I have been leaving the possibility that this is tvt and you are honorary scum since rarely (but it does happen) do two scum sit on a vanity wagon with at least one mislynch on the table.

[Titus]

Ok, if we look at reading the context of the game the Elena Fisher slot is up for lynch even though she sheeped our slot onto LLD and later removed it. Same with Smocaine who is chesskid.

You merely just antagonized Transcend trying to force his wagon to be a thing. So either, you're useful to scum or scum yourself.

[Titus]

Vote:SkirtSkirt

VOTE: lld

I'm definitely going to be taking their input onboard because that's part of the fun of the team thing and I also think it'll help with my weaknesses as town. But only to the extent that I agree with it or find it worth pursuing, since I'm the one playing the game.

Why no vote when we already have some information rather than starting from scratch?

Also keen to hear your answer to your question.

What information do we have here? Also why do you feel like (or want) me to vote? It's a RVS vote and it does not acomplish much at all this talk on "Player A prefs (town/scum)" is a huge wifom fest like I could tell you: My mains pref scum but on my tryhard account I pref town but that really does help nothing because it's a huge wifom as I already said
What does voting do for you

As to answer your question (or my own) I will mostly be working solo/not asking for help as I want to be the helper not the help...e? If my team has a strong read I will hear it but mostly I will be doing things myself why did you want my answer over others?

VOTE: almost50


theres a difference between spamming (lmfao ethers game) and posting a lot. i am a very active poster, i like to sort people with real-time interactions

also, i don't know about the italicized really, but she is good at scum yea. giga did agree keychain is good at scum, but she really doesn't like it. though, i supposed based on their team they dont have anyone i consider overly likely to pick scum. guess i wont lock town them, but they can be town for now.

I don't think you should be paranoia reading someone the logic of "This person is good at scum so don't tr them for ___" has really left a bad taste in my mouth (personal bias aside) it seems like a really easy excuse for scum to make to stop trs

I wouldn't, because you as scum are gonna answer whatever benefits you most. And yeah NSG was the one who said that.

I did the research on as many players as I could in the 30 mins before gamestart. After I posted, NSG called me out and took it up with me, lol.

Help me read skirt?

Thought exercise:

You and Skirt shared an interaction on Page 1 regarding pregame meta choice reads.

You had some divergence of opinions but the posts where you go more indepth on your feelings of what might be meta are essentially the same form/type of content, agree?

If so, I want you to do something for me. Go examine your post (also hi, I probably should have opened with this but you're town ftr. I'm 1000% convinced) and then examine Skirt's posting and tell me if you can identify a difference. If you can't or you would rather I show you before you saying things (given I have a town read on you, I'm fine with this), I'll explain.

But basically, I want to see if you see what I see before I bias you. Because I have a read on skirt.

Interested to hear this I hope to see some sort of scum motivation instead of dif in play as first pinged me

i wonder if you're going to call me out for being too agreeing or if you have something more interesting cooked up

Do you find being super agreeing and friendly scummy? More so I should ask if you find buddying scummy in this case

#SheepingMathDino

hrm
VOTE: LLD

VOTE: lld

Retalitory vote by Keychain, Bonus he asks Elena if she still SRs LLD

Oh look more people!

I'm definitely going to be taking their input onboard because that's part of the fun of the team thing and I also think it'll help with my weaknesses as town. But only to the extent that I agree with it or find it worth pursuing, since I'm the one playing the game.

Why no vote when we already have some information rather than starting from scratch?

Also keen to hear your answer to your question.

What information do we have here? Also why do you feel like (or want) me to vote? It's a RVS vote and it does not acomplish much at all this talk on "Player A prefs (town/scum)" is a huge wifom fest like I could tell you: My mains pref scum but on my tryhard account I pref town but that really does help nothing because it's a huge wifom as I already said
What does voting do for you

As to answer your question (or my own) I will mostly be working solo/not asking for help as I want to be the helper not the help...e? If my team has a strong read I will hear it but mostly I will be doing things myself why did you want my answer over others?

The WIFOM

is

the information. Normally you start a game and town has zero information because everyone has the same chance of being scum. We started this game with just a little bit more. Obviously yes it isn't the be all and end all, but it's a starting point that you ignored and here seem to be arguing against using it at all. I suppose it makes sense since I've heard you'd be likely to pick a scum role if you had the option. Players expected to take scum (and especially who

did

take scum) will presumably always try and deemphasise the whole selection thing.

To me, voting builds game momentum. I guess to me it feels like... it's like we're all sitting in a car talking about where to go but it's only by placing votes that we actually move anywhere. That's just me though.

I wanted your answer because you asked the question but didn't answer it.

VOTE: Elena Fisher

Your icebreaker question was awkward and most of your early content in 66 and onwards was putting the brakes on rather than advancing the game with what you thought we should be doing instead.

I sometimes find it hard to read your posts, my apologies. After 102 are you still scumreading LLD?

[Titus]

There's been a group of people moving together to protect scum. I just have too many to call the team yet.

We know LLD was scum. That's unquestioned. Everyone who voted LLD early has been floated as a suspect. This is not a coincidence TBone. No matter how much you like it. Scum are treating you the same way they treated LLD.

[Titus]

im reading, i just don't really know what to do

If you're legit stuck just tell us your reads. Tell us your conflict. Let us help you get unstuck.

[Titus]

Dunker, just vote Titus and you're good. Thx

^^^ Scum. He's not interested in solving the game just silencing.

[Titus]

vc soonish

Votecount 1.10

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Radja ties Mathdino Fitz/LLD scum and me.

Radja trying to create Dino as a viable wagon. Sucking up to TBone bonus.

[Titus]

Fuck it.

VOTE: Radja

TBone may be an ineffective arrogant man trying to tell me how to play but that is typical of him. He's also not in sheep scum spots. Scumsheep him.

[Titus]

Radja, UC Voyager

Need to filter

Bins TBone Aeroslot

Everyone else should be town. Max 1 scum in my clears.

[Titus]

Dunker, just vote Titus and you're good. Thx

^^^ Scum. He's not interested in solving the game just silencing.

I already solved part of the game by locking you in as scum.
Cheet is going to read up on the game tonight. He's also convinced you're scum. I'll post his thoughts as soon as I can.

The fact that you have never given me an answer on any of my questions bit you're trying to make a point about me not being interested in solving the game is pretty hilarious btw.

The fact you ignore my answers and pretend they don't exist plus your VCA slots is pretty damning. Let's play a game. You quote a question, I quote where I answer or show that it is rhetorical/grandstanding in the form of a grammatical question or not a question at all.

The fact you have done nothing but vote and antagonize town while putting forth zero effort is pretty blatant.

Do you think my scum pool aside from you is accurate? Will you ever town case Bins or just sidestep the issue entirely?

[Titus]

VOTE: Radja

Thank you.

[Titus]

Furthermore, scum lkkely feared overloading my wagon.

Add Radja to sort pile.

I am back here. Doctor's visits and social engagements over. Eddie left me an updated wall. I have flagged giga for updated chesskid thoughts. Give me a few minutes to paraphrase/format.

Reads going into night of Eddie

Keychain
Math
A50
Bulba
Dunker
UCV
CDB
Radja
CK
Aero
Elena
Bins
TBone

D2 comments

1)Mathdino loyal gambit was dumb.
2) Comment removed pursuant to 2485.
3) Bins should not get any towncredit for not falling for Mathdino's gambit.
4) 2152 The wording here is terribly disingenious and the conclusion is equally bad.

Titus add on. I agree. There was already an admission from Bins that scum!Bins at least considers killing A50 and it was a discussion point for Mathdino as well. Yet you gloss over it entirely Radja.

5) Keychain's next post argues that Elena and LLD is S v S because it is fake and over the top. Eddie agrees.

Titus add on. I do not. This again doesn't feel like Keychain solving things but trying to open up mislynches.

6) Bins, A50 was not anti-town.

My addon. Maybe he was. Maybe not. This type of comment only furthers belief that you are scum trying to get us not to listen to A50 wanting you dead.

7) 2160 Maria, I can see the argument that Gerry and Dunn MIGHT take scum, but saying they take it over you as a blanket statement is not going to fly. You are better than both of them (Gerry explicitly and Dunn now that he does his garbage lurker playstyle), and while I do partially think Gerry wanted a scum pm I think you have lots of grounds to take it to clear yourself is fake.
8) Give me a partner thing on Day 2 is fucking garbage. Lynch the obvscum.
9)2222

Keychain please towncase TBone. This is a request from our whole team.

End of Post by Post

Keychain never flips scum here. He is obvtown.

I have Key as scum though sooo...We will need to talk. The garbage meta read from RC trying to save LLD fits with my VCA theory.

Math is very strong town, the only thing that gives me doubt is actually his FV bs. Not about the loyal modifier. FV would give cover against a watcher and tracker. Still don't vote this.

Bulba is still very townie.

~ End Obv town ~

Dunker is very townie, but he keeps pushing Math scum along with A50 a couple times. Bins/T-Bone being his only other votes (and us). I am still going to call Dunker town, but if Bins and T-Bone are town he's scum. We agree towards the bottom so this is self resolving.

UCV. Lurking bad. Refusal to swap bad. I want a town case from one or more of the people lock towning them, and I want much more and much more consistent posting and thoughts from creature.

CDB, We want more from your team. 2142 is p good though.

Radja, you were lock town for me on like page 10. Stfu with "I thought your whole team had me as obv town". Your #1368 has easy trs and two townies as your only scumreads. 1370, you won't lynch LLD woooo. Then we get to #1636 and things reverse. My two strongest townreads are his two scumreads? And his townreads are bad with scum. 2152, garbage. 2050 is the most disingenuous shit ever, Radja, you weren't even playing the game at that point and you didn't have backwards garbage reads. Scum lean.

CK and Aero need more posting.

We want a Bins towncase.

Eddie feels Elena might be scum with the faked posting regarding taking scum.

TBone do something other than bitch.

Lynch pool as of 2285

My preferred lynch pool is {Elena, Bins, T-Bone}
Compromise votes are {CK, Aero, UCV, Radja}.

Scum pool {T-Bone, Bins, Elena, Radja, UCV, CK, Aero} in that rough ourder imo.

Radja, you were lock town for me on like page 10. Stfu with "I thought your whole team had me as obv town". Your #1368 has easy trs and two townies as your only scumreads. 1370, you won't lynch LLD woooo. Then we get to #1636 and things reverse. My two strongest townreads are his two scumreads? And his townreads are bad with scum. 2152, garbage. 2050 is the most disingenuous shit ever, Radja, you weren't even playing the game at that point and you didn't have backwards garbage reads. Scum lean.

Here's us detailing our thoughts on you.

[Titus]

Which part of it aren't your thoughts?

I agree with everything said since the point I subbed in. Underlined are specifically my addons.

[Titus]

TBone, stop repeating the same nonsense and actually use the votes.

You keep saying votes don't tell the story. They do. Votes say what players value.

Mathdino doesn't get that either. You seem to think that XYZ words change the VCs. Our slot has had a consistent scumread on you and got wagoned for it. You picked fights with town Math and town me trying to force your view of the gamestate which at best is objectively wrong to where scum want to save you early day 1. You got into a shouting match with Mathdino today. That's all you have done.

Radja has zero interest in doing anything other than sheep you because there is a strong pattern of him consistently sheeping to vote whatever town wagon is on the table. I have been leaving the possibility that this is tvt and you are honorary scum since rarely (but it does happen) do two scum sit on a vanity wagon with at least one mislynch on the table.

Unbelievable.

Who believes this garbage? Titus is literally trying to re-write the history of the game to try and paint the wagon on his slot as "retaliatory". THIS IS FALSE.

Look at the votes and using just the votes tell me I am wrong.

1) Elena wagoned. Elena voted for LLD early and often. Elena has been floated since d1.
2) Our slot has in all 3 versions suspected you. We're pushed by you and Radja. The only reason I ceased voting you is because you resemble the townbeard rather than scum.
3) Radja has voted Mathdino and me, encouraging your noise.

I can keep rephrasing and you can keep yelling nonsense or you can engage and be humbled. If you're just going to eyeroll or expect me to magically change my mind, admit it so we don't clog up the thread.

[Titus]

T-Bone i swear to god

TBone's in pride or scum mode. I was hoping to wagon him to sort which but game died and Radja is more likely scum.

[Titus]

Aeronaut, From Relaxed Nature
ChannelDelibird, From God Save the Black Goo
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes
UC Voyager, From Spam Squad

Lynch these 4 in any order

game solved

for the benefit of the uninitiated

I am ok with this but fot CDB. Early endorser of LLD wagon.

TBone Bins Keychain need sorting. But we can revisit.

[Titus]

@tbone

pedit: Tbones town

If that's the case, then we have to help him stop listening to ego and draw the entire thread to good wagons. Just how do you propose that when villagers are not posting?

[Titus]

Then explain to me your statement where you said that your (Eddie/Transcend) wagon was a retaliation to mine...

When yours happened first.

Explain to me your comment about how my vote on Transcend was an OMGUS....when I was scumreading your slot and voting your slot well before Eddie or Transcend did. Explain to me that with the votes.

Because that is where I am accusing you of re-writing history.

I already did. Repeatedly.

We stepped through skirt skirt and Transcend iso. Skirt got votes for LLD suspicion. Transcend appears and pushes you, more heat on him. I quoted mhsmith0 posts. I quoted the tied wagons.

At this point, you are not going to convince me your early game was anything other than proscum due to the wagon ties.

[Titus]

Which part of it aren't your thoughts?

I agree with everything said since the point I subbed in. Underlined are specifically my addons.

So those are Eddie's thoughts and your add-on?

Baffling how both you AND Eddie completely ignore my question about Transcends read. That's the biggest issue I've had with your slot since day 1. He said I was obvtown on day 1, refused to give an explanation and proceeded to say he was never going to allow me getting lynched.

You cant just keep pretending it didnt happen

I'm voteparking on Titus until I get an explanation to this. Bye

I already clarified which were mine and my team's. We gave our explanation in our wall. You're voteparking because scum.

[Titus]

I dunno. There's a type of player im very good at getting to sheep me


and then a type I'm not.

This game has mostly the latter

Alright, if all else fails we could just prod dodge until players engage. Maybe some town need to mislynch before seeing the light. Can't force a town to drink.

By engage I mean not telling players they suck, play my way, or any elitist stuff but look at there lynch pools with their TRs and get something done.

@Elena/@Bulba, We're doing this.
@Bulba, you owe me for A50. Calling this in.

[Titus]

Then explain to me your statement where you said that your (Eddie/Transcend) wagon was a retaliation to mine...

When yours happened first.

Explain to me your comment about how my vote on Transcend was an OMGUS....when I was scumreading your slot and voting your slot well before Eddie or Transcend did. Explain to me that with the votes.

Because that is where I am accusing you of re-writing history.

I already did. Repeatedly.

We stepped through skirt skirt and Transcend iso. Skirt got votes for LLD suspicion. Transcend appears and pushes you, more heat on him. I quoted mhsmith0 posts. I quoted the tied wagons.

At this point, you are not going to convince me your early game was anything other than proscum due to the wagon ties.

This is not an explanation.

How is my vote and scumread a retaliation on Eddie/Transcend when I HAD IT FIRST?

Titus' answer of "well yours was fake until we voted you" is

Titus re-writing history to push a narrative.

She also can't explain her comment of the Eddie/Transcend wagon being a retaliation to the wagon on me...because that also happened first.

Why is she doubling down on something that everyone knows isn't true?

You aren't the one retaliating. You're valuable to the scumteam. Same with LLD. The shade to protect you and your noise.

Chesskid knows I am correct and you are wrong. That's why he is with me. He was voting LLD while you've engaged in ego battles with my slot and town. Appeal to masses is a logical fallacy.

[Titus]

Todays lynch should be me or Titus. The sooner the better.

You can just have your lurker team cede the game. Even if you mislynch me, what happens is people take a long hard look at wagons.

Me v you, me v fitz. Fitz flippedscum. The wagon on me yesterday was shouted down because people knew I was town. I don't expect that to change.

[Titus]

he was voting LLD

no i wasnt lol

You are Smociane.

[Titus]

Todays lynch should be me or Titus. The sooner the better.

You can just have your lurker team cede the game. Even if you mislynch me, what happens is people take a long hard look at wagons.

Me v you, me v fitz. Fitz flippedscum. The wagon on me yesterday was shouted down because people knew I was town. I don't expect that to change.

You seem to forget who hammered fitz

Not early vote. Shut off communication. Lynch inevitable.

[Titus]

ah you're looking at slots at time of events

kk coolio

Yes. For my purposes, I treat one slot as one entity.

@Radja, You might try that if we hadn't disproved that already but repitition without engage is the refuge of the stubborn or desperate scum.

[Titus]

You did not mention Transcend in any way. Try again.

Eddie's the name of my team. Second, I don't have to mention him to include his thoughts.

Transcend agrees you are scum. He agrees with the reasoning. You're not claiming scum so your last argument is to move the gosl posts and claim unanswered.

[Titus]

Then explain to me your statement where you said that your (Eddie/Transcend) wagon was a retaliation to mine...

When yours happened first.

Explain to me your comment about how my vote on Transcend was an OMGUS....when I was scumreading your slot and voting your slot well before Eddie or Transcend did. Explain to me that with the votes.

Because that is where I am accusing you of re-writing history.

I already did. Repeatedly.

We stepped through skirt skirt and Transcend iso. Skirt got votes for LLD suspicion. Transcend appears and pushes you, more heat on him. I quoted mhsmith0 posts. I quoted the tied wagons.

At this point, you are not going to convince me your early game was anything other than proscum due to the wagon ties.

This is not an explanation.

How is my vote and scumread a retaliation on Eddie/Transcend when I HAD IT FIRST?

Titus' answer of "well yours was fake until we voted you" is

Titus re-writing history to push a narrative.

She also can't explain her comment of the Eddie/Transcend wagon being a retaliation to the wagon on me...because that also happened first.

Why is she doubling down on something that everyone knows isn't true?

You aren't the one retaliating. You're valuable to the scumteam. Same with LLD. The shade to protect you and your noise.

Chesskid knows I am correct and you are wrong. That's why he is with me. He was voting LLD while you've engaged in ego battles with my slot and town. Appeal to masses is a logical fallacy.

Don't change your story. I can quote the post where you say these things.

In fact I will.

We're not. I am townreading Dunker for his vote on TBone

because the wagon on Transcend seems to be retalitory for Transcend catching Tbone.

No, the Transcend wagon happened long before the T-Bone wagon had, ergo, the Transcend wagon could not be in retaliation for "Transcend catching T-Bone".

Bonus points, the scumread on me originated with Skirt...so Transcend wasn't even involved in pushing me, therefore I could not retaliate against Transcend for "catching me."

My take on TBone is unchanged from yesterday. Now with Fitz flipping scum, there's more evidence that the wagon on my slot was in retaliation for each of us seeing the vapid, accusatory tone in TBone's posting.

Again...the wagon on her slot was first and persisted throughout the day. It was in retaliation of nothing. (nor was it the counterwagon to Fitz, Math was)

Transcend wagon was retalitory for pushing Tbone.

Just in case it isn't clear. Titus has repeatedly said this particular falsehood, and doubled down on it each time.

So my question to the masses again. Why is Titus doubling down on this false narrative if she isn't scum?

Don't you think town!Titus realizes her mistake by now and corrects it?

It's not a falsehood. Our wagon started as RVS. Then retalitory. We disagree. You refuse to reasses your play. I have. That's why we lynch Radja.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

It's not a bad D1 lynch and I'm for it. I agree that I don't think town!Titus comes in here guns blazing at me with such conviction before reading the game.

Man, I told you this was Scum by play and not by any other convoluted process!

Either fitz is Scum and Bins is trying to save him, or Titus is and she's distancing by voting there when the wagon is cooling off, and I can't tell for sure but I'm now leaning the former.

I initiated the Fitz wagon initially and cooled off later.

Lol nope

Oh wow did she seriously claim this?

I did vote Fitz first. An ISO shows that.

[Titus]

i want to point out that there are errors in the vote counts due to the mod not counting certain votes

so you're definitely gonna have to do more work than what you're doing

Please highlight these errors.

Also, early wagoning scum and getting shaded the whole day is textbook locktown. I'm never voting Elena unless you show her first vote has serious scum motivation. She waffled away from scum, so did I.

[Titus]

And this brings us to the final fatal flaw in your assumptions: It's highly likely one of the scum has just checked out of the game altogether. UCV-slot, Aeroslot, maybe Radja, maybe CDB, possibly even Bulba, etc.

The scumteam can't move together in lockstep like you're suggesting when scum is so disorganised (or bussy) as to let LLD get wagoned and lynched D1. I don't see the scumteam as some ethereal force like you do. The pool of active players is so small that we need to consider them individually.

Now if you're really just suggesting lynching the entire Eddie Cane wagon and hoping we hit scum... I mean it's not a bad idea, but we're also gonna hit a lot of town.

I am not suggesting the entire team moved in lockstep. I am totally in favor of a UCV lynch. I suggested the scum motivation. I am not in favor of wholesale lynch Eddie Cane wagon. My VCA is more nuanced than that.

[Titus]

tbone.

Radja tried to give themselves towncred for hammering.

Why are you harping on one and not the other

Why are you letting Titus go unchallenged?

She is now claiming credit for the LLD wagon. Something she and her slot had 0% to do with.

And I did harp on Radja for his hammer tyvm. Do I need to quote that exchange to prove it, or can you just take my word for it?

not like day 2 start.

like 2 pages ago

Quote it.

I claimed I was first, not that I get credit. I waffled because my reads were shit and I was scared of who was with me. I'll prove it.

[Titus]

I was wrong. I had Fitz and Dino confused in my head. It was Dino who I scared off on.

[Titus]

Todays lynch should be me or Titus. The sooner the better.

You can just have your lurker team cede the game. Even if you mislynch me, what happens is people take a long hard look at wagons.

Me v you, me v fitz. Fitz flippedscum. The wagon on me yesterday was shouted down because people knew I was town. I don't expect that to change.

You seem to forget who hammered fitz

Not early vote. Shut off communication. Lynch inevitable.

Lynch inevitable? He hadnt even claimed. Lol try again

Radja claiming towncred for hammerring Fitz without a claim.

[Titus]

Radja just basically wants to recap the game. I was wrong D1. Period. Had no hard data. Didn't like the stall. Don't like RC's "reaction test" but Keychain slot was right on Fitz thus off table.

[Titus]

Dino im pretty sure Radja is just money

Yeah he's dodging the hammer dicussion by rehash. Not interested.

[Titus]

are you fucking kidding me

Been there as both alignments. Either you do what town asks and talk about your hammer and simplify or no one cares. Had to do that with VCA too.

I sympsthize on a human level.

[Titus]

hey, had a bunch of irl shit come up yesterday that kept me from catching up, I'm reading from the beginning of day 2 right now. I'm going to wait until I catch up and know why the wagon exists but I'm leaning somewhat toward Bulbazak b/c the whole "I don't want to vote fitz until I can have a back and forth conversation in real time" thing (which he almost immediately abandoned) absolutely feels like the sort of thing scum would do to avoid having to actually engage with their partners

Nice pot shot while delaying content.

I'll be putting my teams more detailed reply to radja shortly.

[Titus]

Eddie here unless underlined. I think there is one scum and one garbage town in {Radja, T-Bone} and I'm not quite sure who. I'm leaning Radja with Giga, JJ thinks T-Bone is the scum, not sure what Titus thinks (

TBone garbage town by VCA, Radja hard buddy

), Lycan isn't reading. That case is truly awful and to all of you townreading that slot for Radja's case (saw a lot of you), shame. It truly is horrible, Radja has strong ass teammates and if you think that's out of their scum range at all I pity you.

First of all,

I present you my(well, mostly shea's) case on why Titus is scum
Lets start looking at previous games.

As scum, Titus tends to reach out a lot, tries to be very friendly and has a history of buddying. Here are some examples from this game:

I'm gonna read the rest of your post but...

If this is true, (and you believe this to be true) this isn't happening in this game.

This is valid and accurate. Radja, you want to harp on Titus for not understanding the gamestate? Titus's play here has made no effort to reach out to players like Keychain because she SRs them. Titus is much less humble as town due to her own insecurities.

Next up, her interaction with the fitz wagon. Not only was her interaction with the fitz wagon horrible as fuck, the worst part is she's now trying to claim credit for pushing the fitz wagon, going as far as to say that she was the driving force on the wagon and attempting to take town credit for starting it. T-Bone already pointed out that it's literally the OPPOSITE of what happened.

First off, Giga and I were discussing between lynching Fitz and starting T-Bone. I told Titus I strongly disapproved of Math wagon (and Keychain even stronger), and she abided by us and voted A50 who was town but less so to me at that stage. And more importantly, Titus treats slots as 1 entity. You have been told this over and over. Again, Titus is the obtuse one?

Titus acts like the wagon on fitz happened because of her somehow, suggesting that her being the counter wagon to scum makes her completely clear. That's BULLSHIT. Wagons on 2 scum at once happen regularly and Titus knows this. It's proven here:

It doesn't make her completely clear and she never said that afaik? It does make her less likely to be scum, and if you want to get full VCA if the people on both wagons are mostly the same that makes it much more likely to be dueling scum wagons and the opposite.

Titus starts off stating she's not willing to vote for the scum wagon because ... "this low of a wagon participation rate??? What does that even mean? Is it the number of wagons? Is it about the people on the wagon? Who knows??? It feels like this needs more explanation, but none is given.

Why are you spamming question marks??? Scum exaggerating??? That was the very beginning of the game, subbing in as a player who (well documented-ly) does not read back from joining nearly always. Did you ask her for an explanation? If not, saying it needs more is weak posturing.

The wagon participation rate is looking at how many players are on vanity wagons or not voting. The higher the rate, the more likely wagons on scum are present.

Whoa...she suddenly completely flipped from "I don't want to vote this wagon for some ridiculous reason to fitz literally being her top town read. Surely there must be some explanation for this. Sadly, there isn't...

I don't see how not wanting to vote someone and then saying they're a town read (not the top - there's 3 together lol if you're going to keep yelling at someone for not reading you should try it yourself) is flipping... at all? that's consistent. did you ask for an explanation?

Then when you look at this post, Titus mentions her team's reads. You'd expect her biggest townread to at least get a mention here, but literally nothing. So not only does Titus not give any reasons to townread fitz herself, not to mention having him as her BIGGEST TOWNREAD, her team also doesn't seem to have any opinions about him at all. You'd expect skirt skirt to have some opinions about LLD-fitz at least?? But nope, nothing!

That isn't her team's reads. That's the thoughts I had on the game that were relevant at the time. I, not "her team", and thoughts, not "reads". It has reads in it, because I gave the reads I thought were relevant. Thank you for highlighting I suspected you before this debacle. Why would I have thoughts on LLD-Fitz? LLD barely posted, did an AtE fit she could do as either alignment and got banned because the mods deemed the behavior bannabe from team mafia. Fitz had just came into the game.

This post was already mentioned in th buddy section, but the fact that fitz has flipped scum, how it reads to me is "hey, let's start a counter wagon to my scum buddy. You decide who we go after!"

You calling that post buddying? Rotflmao. But anyways, what you're describing is called "chainsawing" in theory, except that it's consistent with someone who sees their townread getting wagoned?

This is the thing. Why would that be done in public? A more effective device is to fake one of us persuading the other. Second, buddying a partner is not going to make him town. This makes no sense.

Post above is one of three posts where she links fitz and bins's alignments for reasons she never really gets into properly. However, Titus is arguing with Keychain here, who is attempting to get a lynch on scum fitz and tries to get Titus to join in on it. After this SHE STARTS SCUMREADING KEYCHAIN. Like wtf? This is completely going backwards. Titus claims keychain is vote shopping and not voting scum when keychain was literally trying to get her to vote scum! And what did Titus do? SHE TRIES TO FUCKING TALK HER OUT OF IT!

That isn't going backwards, she's explained her Keychain scumread. The post you quoted isn't even arguing or trying to turn Keychain off the lynch either. It is quite literally asking for an analysis of the game if Key's scumread is scum. When Titus asks for this, she is trying to see things the other way. Man Radja, if this is town you you truly are awful (Titus will probably redact this).

Nah. I shoud. I won't. If I thought Radja might be town, I would.

NEW WAGON! No mention of fitz but a new attempt to get a wagon going on someone who isn't Titus or fitz.

This isn't a new wagon when our slot was pushing T-Bone for at least half the game?

Every iteration of our slot suspected TBone.

Titus claims she started the fitz wagon. FUCK NO

Titus claimed WE started the fitz wagon. Technically, true, though I don't see how harping on that is relevant.

Heres some posts of her attacking keychain, who should be pretty well cleared by any reasonable vca.

important - Radja, explain how ANYONE but particularly Keychain is cleared by VCA on Day 1. What the fuck even is this lmfao

RC is a heavy busser and a team member of Keychain and pushing hard lies and claims reaction test. Sorry. VCA accounts for the possibility of hard bussing.

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End Part 1 gtg

[Titus]

We never let her push Keychain seriously and we won't for the time being. If Titus does double down on it and discuss it with myself and more importantly Giga (who has experience with her) we will come back with a consensus conclusion. Titus hasn't pushed it to that point so she's still considering, and yes in my opinion Keychain is blatantly town. Not "cleared by any decent VCAs"

We need to discuss this. I'm reading the slot more through RC than Key because I have more RC experience.

Titus then moved on to repeatedly attempt to get T-Bone lynched. When literally nobody was interested in voting T-Bone, she needed a new target and concluded T-bone was "just a townie playing badly". If you're going to argue that T-bone needs to get lynched because of VCA analysis(after all, that's all she claims to have done, even though she keeps referencing things she claims to have not read at all), how can you even reconsider something like that?? How does he move from scum to town without any extra reasoning? This progession on Titus's T-bone read doesn't make sense from a town doing VCA analysis POV(and neither does her read on keychain, for that matter), but it sure as hell makes sense as scum who is unable to find support for their mislynch target.

I'm pretty sure I remember a few people explicitly expressing interest in a T-Bone lynch? Why would T-Bone be her desperation lynch if nobody else was interested...

There's mathmatically at least on town in Elena/Bulba with a three scum game.

that wouldn't change the lynch. Your false narrative doesn't even work - you can't even take a fantasy world to make that scummy. Stop with this disgusting posturing.

Then suddenly she drops a chesskid vote with no explanation, which she immediately drops once chesskid sheeps her. Buddying?

You just described how CK could be buddying, lol?

I was reaction testing for giga before I poured the VCs.

Hey, guess what, UCVoyager is suddenly a part of the lynchpool! Happens to also conveniently be the lurker who's getting replaced who Titus hadn't mentioned until someone else did. I thought she was doing VCA? If UCV was scum all this time, surely your VCA would have caught him earlier. Oh wait no, that's right, your VCA was shit anyway.

P o s t u r i n g

I ask her why transcend lock towned us. I asked if his read changed. And if it did, what the reasons were. Why she isn't mentioning his reads at all when he actually fucking played the game. All that happens when I ask these questions is Titus ignores it or handwaives it or attempts to talk about something else. WHY? Because it doesn't make sense.

You asshole. You have been told that Transcend can't communicate in our team chat after being removed from team mafia, and this is also info you could get from Elli or a mod yourself. The fact you KEEP harping on this is disgusting because it's something that's literally impossible and perpetually gives you an excuse to votepark us. And, let's continue down this path since you bring this up every other post. Transcend saying "Rajda lock town" doesn't mean you're lock town, go read any transcend game, it's the same thing with him saying scum slipped whenever he finds a post scummy. They were snap reads, based on a Radja who had VERY few posts in the game at the time, who had VERY different reads and posting s at the time, VERY long ago. I townread you strongly at that point too. Then you started posting and the scumfuckery came out.

You basically just sheep wrong loud town and be loud about it. The fact you are throwing down here like this suggests that my reads on both Elena and Bulba being town are correct if you are scum.

Titus is scum. If you can't see it, fucking lynch me, cause I can't make it any clearer.

P o s t u r i n g

In the meantime, Titus has attempted to flip her words around. After realizing T-Bone isn't going to shut up about it, she now suddenly claims it was Mathdino she was claiming credit for.

You should quote what is sudden. Grandstanding means little.

Shading admitting being wrong is not cool.

I mean, really? That doesn't make sense at all because she was trying to get credit for the scum flip, and the fact that she's been interacting with mathdino for the entire day, must mean that she's fully aware that he's still alive? And didn't flip scum? Like, what she was attempting to take credit for? Looking more closely, her changed(!) claim about mathdino isn't accurate either if we look at her posts. While it is true that she voted for dino on day 1, the reason for that was OMGUS. She voted math because math cast a policy vote against her until she was caught up. She was never seriously scum reading math and never tried to get a dino wagon going! She doesn't mention any read on mathdino besides this post:

You quite literally proceeded to quote her voting Math because he policy voted FITZ while he caught up. And she asked why he didn't vote her... it's the exact opposite of OMGUS.???

I was asking why you were not suspecting me. Mental note: Check this for associations.

After this, the next time she mentions mathdino, he's in the town lean pile. Take a good luck where the null line is:

And this is where the team input you asked for comes in. We do give input.

[Titus]

BTW, I find it /very/ hard to believe Cheet misread both Transcend and myself and approved any of this. Shea and Reck are both egositical pricks that are good at mafia, so them both shoving this mislynch down your throat to the point you'd "gladiate" it... it is surreal all of you would collectively be completely confident in our mislynch.

Adding on here. The conversation you posted makes zero sense. First, you quichammerred Fitz but Cheet has reservations about the slot. Reck was hard townreading me as someone lynchbaity. Yet he suddenly is ok with declaring S v S d1 wagons? When your team agreed at least one was town?

[Titus]

Eddie statement

Scum pool {T-Bone, Bins, Elena, Radja, UCV, CK, Aero} in that order.

chess needs to post more, town by virtue of scummier people but no strong read on the slot. smocaine lld stuff is not bad. town points for not being super controlling? i guess if he was scum hed need to do something big to swing the game rn

[Titus]

Eddie to TBone: this isn't my game, if I wanted to still play this fully I would've let assemble or some other mediocre player come in and basically just be a proxy me. it's unfortunate I was forced to sub, but Titus is entirely capable and I'm not going to shovel my thoughts down her throat and force her to play for me. I'm already sideseat more than I like to but people keep referencing me specifically so :shrug:

im here to discuss reads with Titus and whichever of my team reads the game (jj and giga currently). I was shouting things during 4 games and mentioned a few in the 5th, but it isn't my game and not letting Titus do her thing isn't fair and isn't why my team recruited a good player. I don't agree with a lot of what she's said, but at the same time I agree even less with you pushing the narrative that she's lying and manipulating the game state. it's not right, you're significantly exaggerating, and it isn't fair for you and radja to both attack her so much for what amounts to horse puckey. if she's wrong, stop talking down to her and show her why she's wrong.

where's your teams reads? We'd like to see where your team stands in all this and if your one homogenous unit or whether you've been using this as a sounding board. your team isn't the same caliber as radjas but I don't remember you giving any info at all from them period and it's still useful. I stand by 1 scum 1 bad town in u radja, you're making it hard to see which.

Titus add on: Eddie and I disagree on things, but it is a competent team. There's a chance I'm wrong on all my reads, but I'm just not voting in my scumpool unless something shows strongly that I'm incorrect or my team convinces me otherwise. Mathdino came close by saying the VCs might be off.

@Mathdino, Mathblade is a more stubborn version of me, that has issues with townblocks they are not in. See Civ Mafia.

[Titus]

1) She is being manipulative, and being manipulative points to being scum. She was trying to manipulate the events of the game to get a mislynch, and she is trying to manipulate people's reads by pushing things just about everyone knows isn't true.

2) I don't think that she (or her team) is capable of doubling down on something that isn't true, once it has been demonstrated as such, because for her to be capable she'd have to be pretty incompetent, and I don't think she is. And this isn't about "Eddie controlling her". How would Eddie saying something as simple as "no, in fact my wagon happened first and could not have been a reaction to a T-Bone wagon" an example of "Eddie controlling her"?

I can buy that independent of that they might still think I'm scum. But this situation only has two explanations I am willing to accept. 1. They are incompetent or 2. she is scum. I'm not accepting #1 absent a better explanation.

1) Everyone is being manipulative. You're trying to convince town that I'm scum. Manipulate is just a dirty version of the same word.

2) You disagree. This is circular. You being wrong doesn't make you scum. Wasting my time is not helpful.

[Titus]

There is an option C. Namely you are wrong. Option D. We define slots differently.

We can agree to disagree on things. That's not incompetence.

Eddie's wagon was also RVS according to VCA.

[Titus]

There is an option C. Namely you are wrong. Option D. We define slots differently.

We can agree to disagree on things. That's not incompetence.

Eddie's wagon was also RVS according to VCA.

did u just call the eddie wagon rvs



o boy

Yes. Even if reasons were given in thread, it worked and functioned like rvs

[Titus]

less talking more radja lynching

I think we need more time for TBone to catch up. That Xxzy post without reasons has Radja/xxxzy written all over it. Leave TBone as a mislynch and shield for Radja but vote popular wagon so TBone attacks town.

[Titus]

less talking more radja lynching

If you still think this after the posting of his team’s hammer discussion then you are a real disappointment

How do you find that conversation coherent with Radja's actions today or coherent in itself? Quickhammerring while Cheet says slot is town?

[Titus]

We're basically not lynching: Keychain, Dunker, CDB, chesskid, Mathdino. And we're probably not lynching xyzzy (who replaced into Aeronaut) or you. The Bulba wagon is heavily likely to die.

I do not agree with the Chesskid scum due to Smociane early on LLD. I would gladly lynch Xyzzy.

Mastina might be that way but I feel like her team would have said I entered and she could give meta comments but meta garbage anyway.

[Titus]

Could try chesskid or Titus or....sigh Radja

Radja is a good wagon tbh I am prod dodging unyil we get an acceotable wagon anyway

[Titus]

I think Elena is town and her entire wagon is town.

[Titus]

Key is the only slot that might be scum.

[Titus]

Yes, let's proudly push into the slots that had massive conflict and are mathmatecially low probability to be scum and when scum sit on their hands we lynch the slots that had conflict with scum "for information". The information is plenty available. It's just you have no desire to actually look at it so you'll just think this slot has conflict with me. Lynch it.

[Titus]

The slots we should lynch are the ones LLD avoided or that avoided LLD wagon.

[Titus]

The only ones who really go against that grain well are LLD and RC.

[Titus]

Then that would be me and you. Do you want to go first?

Incorrect. My slot and LLD slot certainly did not ignore each other.

[Titus]

Titus, I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make here. Also you think I'm the only scum on the Elena wagon?

Huh. Might vote Elena now (and I feel bad about that).

What would convince you to actually vote?

Huh. Might vote Elena now (and I feel bad about that).

Could try chesskid or Titus or....sigh Radja

Radja is a good wagon tbh I am prod dodging unyil we get an acceotable wagon anyway

...
Titus is the only other wagon I’m interested in.

Hard no from me on wagoning Titus!


Sorry you're sick, Elena If we lynch you and you flip town, I'll make sure to go through your reads and follow up, but I do think you're scum.

Only likely scum. Your play is fine. RC's comments were not and I struggle to accept the reason as valid or true. I don't see whose reaction you were going for and here your slot goes again making copious amounts of noise on yhe same thing. It's a strategy RC scum likes.

[Titus]

Then that would be me and you. Do you want to go first?

Incorrect. My slot and LLD slot certainly did not ignore each other.

So your lack of a vote doesn't matter?

Because I could have sworn you told me that votes matter.

It does matter for vca. Correct. If I was the sole person in the slot, I would partially agree as Fitz and I lacked conflict. However, Transcend and LLD were constantly at each other's throats.

[Titus]

And thus, when I suggest to the rest of the playerlist that they also hold you up to it.

I agree with this.

However, I fail to see how ignored is a hard standard. I didn't ignore the Fitz wagon. I argued against it like Bulba did.

[Titus]

I'm just trying to hold you to a little internal consistency, that's all. If you're town than that should shine through.

I'm not really trying to break you down here.

Well you should start by looking at what ignore means. Ignoring is pretending it does not exist.

[Titus]

Sorry I should be clearer. I don't understand 3023. Elena has plenty of chance to be scum, that's why I'm voting her. You seem to be recasting it as being entirely for information.

Your mathematical probability told you Fitz was town. Why is this different?

3023 is commenting on Bins Elena vote.

I have more information, thus my likelihood of accuracy goes up.

[Titus]

It is the second largest wagon. By your standard, no wagon but Elena will happen.

WE could vote out the lurkers, archwing or xyzzy or radja or a lot of players. It just requires players to talk to each other and compromise. Or we continue vote parking active town, scum shoot active town and we lose. Either way, not a good setup which is why although TBone is not cleared to me I'm still trying to talk to him.

@Bulba, I would rather you didn't substitute.

[Titus]

Considering the lurkers aren’t that scummy I don’t agree
I meant more Radja isn’t happening because you aren’t going to get 5 more votes on him and off Elena

Yeah, the only votes you have gotten in two days are my scumreads trying to promote that there is no other lynch available. You're not even attempting to look at the angles or why players do things. This is more content we'll get the information from a mislynch and we'll go then mislynch Titus who told us we were wrong the entire time. Wtf.

Just because the game is static doesn't mean we keep doing the same thing. One wagon static throughout the entire game means we do not lynch it, barring you know a guilty claim.

[Titus]

I can’t look at things from another angle because I really don’t know if Elena is a town wagon or scum wagon
You can’t just treat Elena as 100% town

the only other wagons I’d consider are you and Chesskid, so yeah

Yes I can. My early VCA studies I've been working on Mafia Universe suggest that Elena has about an 80% chance of flipping town here. I can always treat my townreads as town.

Your only other wagons you want to do are the players telling you that you're wrong. Where's the detailed analysis? Why is everything boiling down to, these slots oppose an obvious mislynch so I'm just going to say I want them next?

[Titus]

You realize I’m scumreading the slots that are hard defending the Elena wagon? Because I don’t see how it’s possible to defend the slot

You can't see how someone can defend an early voter of LLD and that drew significant conflict with town and no effort to save her and communication has broken down... none of that suggests that Elena is town to you? Are you even criticizing your own arguments or are you just looking to end the day and get it over with?

[Titus]

Titus, if Elena is not in your lynch pool today, who is?

Radja, xyzzy, your slot, Tbone (but falling in our recent discussion, he might just be annoying)

[Titus]

VOTE: Elena

Think this is a mislynch but I guess it's better than no lynch at all.

I do agree that this post bugs me if Elena flips town.

+1 I agree with this, but his attitude sounds exactly like your attitude and he'll likely blame you for arguing no other lynch was possible when Elena flips town and argue we should fight each other, shutting down communication.

So assume for sake of argument that Elena is indeed town, who do you want to lynch.

[Titus]

Titus, if Elena is not in your lynch pool today, who is?

Radja, xyzzy, your slot, Tbone (but falling in our recent discussion, he might just be annoying)

I should clarify Keychain slot is still in my personal reads but my team vetoes that one.

[Titus]

hey, here's some information for you all: Gamma Emerald from my team PT believes that Bins and Titus are scum together

i could buy it

UNVOTE:
i really want elena around

fine
VOTE: elena

Yuck

[Titus]

Chara is kicking and screaming that RC's read on me is BS and Keychain needs to eat rope after my death.
I don't agree as strongly to this but I am fine with it.

Glad I am not alone.

[Titus]

I'm also getting told rather forcefully by RC that this reaction from her is scum through and through and to push it hard.

Is this a "reaction test" or something RC stands behind? If so, why didn't he push sooner?

[Titus]

I'm expecting Radja to hammer Elena.

[Titus]

Well, a couple of things.

You make a massive post where you cite meta of Titus...and then proceed to completely contradict that meta in your argument.

I also didn't like the alleged conversation you produced between yourself, Reck, and Cheery in regards to your hammer. It looks incredibly fake...which is weird, because I thought your first explanation was good. Reads to me like you felt you had to add another layer for credibility.

And I think Elena is town.

I'm not sure about that meta argument. I don't have massive knowledge on Titus meta so I can't really tell you much about that.

I was forced to reproduce(paraphrase) the conversation that lead to the hammer by mathdino. I didn't want to post that in the first place. Pretty weird that's what you took from me posting that. Maybe you should reread the events that lead to me posting it, especially mathdino's posts.

Not too late to vote chesskid btw.

Yes paraphrasing is hard. But it still leaves major questions...

Reck pushed for a quickhammer but Cheetory supposedly thought Fitz was town. Why did you go along with Reck? Your thread seemed to be consistent that I was lynchbait suddenly you have changed that persona today. It doesn't seem to be much coherent though or discussion between your team but rather a series of made up positions forged into a conversation.

[Titus]

Pretty sure they're just scum T-bone dw about it

The problem is they disagree.

@Keychain, If you remove all the slots early voting or conflict Fitz/LLD, you get a pool similar to mine.

[Titus]

VOTE: Radja

[Titus]

lmfao, I thought he would

Honestly maybe T-Bone died because he crumbed a track on Titus’ scum PR? Why would he say that if he got No Result? No action is definitely not a reason to flip on someone

If you're going down that road, it's logical to assume that he was going to investigate me in the future as he said my alignment would resolve in the future.

What are your reads now?

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

I feel confident that this is the right choice.

Perfectly fine voting this.

Radja/xyzzy
Archwing
Keychain

All others are town

[Titus]

Then why are you making zero effort to work with me and just randomly poking town?

[Titus]

I officially have too many scumreads again because now that Elena's town everyone has to be scum.

I want Keychain to give input, especially on that Titus townread from RC.

I think you are throwing the baby out with the dirty bath water. If you were scum and town was pushing lynchbait Elena all on its own, why would you ever do anything productive? That's why we should look at Radja, Keychain, Xzzy and Archwing.

Picking fights looking for who to blame is the wrong idea. Scum can just follow or remain quiet on wrong town.

[Titus]

Just highlighting Archwing posting in Queue but not here.

[Titus]

creature believes Titus would be today's best lynch, and he also has had suspicion on CDB this whole game. This is where I'm gonna start.

Why doee each member of your team feel like they do? Why is Xzzy not in your pool?

Why are Keychain Radja and Chess in your pool?

Why does your pool feel like a who's who of discussion minus xzzxy?

[Titus]

VOTE: Archwing

[Titus]

titus not really sure what you mean by every player on my team? like i've only explained creature's reads tbh.

Explain why for each read.

[Titus]

CHESSKID BORED

CHESSKID PROPOSE TOWNBLOC? BECAUSE WE NEED CERTAIN PPL TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY

do iiittt

[Titus]

Alright, I got no other games and I don't think I have work emergencies, so let's talk. I have you as pretty solid town (hence why I disagreed with your wagon yesterday), so let's dance so we can move this along.

[Titus]

@Titus: Talk to me about Archwing. Your scumread seems to fly in the face of your VCA. Do you no longer think it's accurate?

Vote Xyzzy

I'm not sure where you think my Archwing read is counter to my VCA.

1) He (in his various forms) never voted LLD.
2) His slot has been largely silent while we wagoned Elena town and you whom I think is town.
3) His current SRs read like opportunistic fakery.

[Titus]

vc

Votecount 1.03

T-Bone (1)

Bins ,

skirt skirt (4)

Lady Lamdadelta , Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

Lady Lamdadelta (1)

Smocaine ,

Bins (1)

Mathdino ,

Bulbazak (1)

skirt skirt ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Keychain ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Radja ,

Not Voting (4)

Aeronaut , ChannelDelibird , Elena Fisher , Almost50 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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Votecount 1.11

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.12

Titus (2)

T-Bone , Aeronaut ,

Titus (3)

T-Bone , Aeronaut , Bins ,

havingfitz (6)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Almost50 , UC Voyager , Elena Fisher , L-2

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Radja , Dunkerdoodles ,

Almost50 (2)

Bulbazak , Titus ,

Not Voting (2)

chesskid3 ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

[/size]

Voyager (former Arch) only changes when LLD inevitable.

[Titus]

word from creature says havingfitz!scum as well as titus ad chesskid. I actually agree... VOTE: havingfitz titus can go tomorrow.

other than that

well. nothing more really. i will reread tomorrow unless i missed something and then make a more detailed post

Detail from this never came.

[Titus]

Remind me that Eddie has a lot to say and I need to put that in.

[Titus]

Can you answer our questions from before?

[Titus]

titus not really sure what you mean by every player on my team? like i've only explained creature's reads tbh.

Explain why for each read.

I had been asked for WHAT creatures reads were, so I asked and he gave them. I don't have all of his reasoning why his reads are the way they are.
I'm trying to start from 100 pages in and get reads from interactions now. I'm going off a lot of gut reads and feelings right now. It's gonna take me a bit of time... the more discussion that happens, the better this will be.

Do you have any of his reasons at all?

[Titus]

ok does everyone agree that bulba me minaslot and Dunkerdoodles are town?

Therefore we have 2 scum in chess radja key bins xzzy and archwing?

[Titus]

Hey kids, Eddie MFin Cane here. This game is hard because people are being so obstructionist. Math being godkilled is insanely annoying, but what can you do.

As always, Titus's thoughts will be separated. Meant to have this up a few days ago but got stuck in various work emergencies.

Kill Analysis

Night 1

Eddie: A50 kill makes sense with Math being town (shocker). Broke up a solid townbloc. Bins looks worse. Bulba looks a little worse. Nothing groundbreaking.

I kinda see Bins when looking through on the VCA but I kinda feel tonally she's town. Always wrong townie or scum? Definitely has to be out of the townblock. Not sure why Bulba looks worse.

Night 2

Eddie:T-Bone kill is ... odd. Maybe scum caught a crumb we didn't? T-Bone was unlikely to ever get lynched, after Titus expressed our team's desire not to pursue T-Bone anymore and went more towards the scum!Radja camp. Makes CK and Radja look wrose.
Titus: I see where Eddie is coming from, but I'd see us as a more likely kill in that scenario. We've been repeatedly angle pushed for consistently vetoing town lynches while tunnelling Radja. So I can't say Radja looks worse from the TBone kill and TBone didn't have the desire to go after Chesskid.

The Modkill

Note: We're not commenting on the circumstances but only that we know he's town.

Eddie: Mathdino mindmelded with me a shit ton this game. If you expect me to ignore his thoughts now that he's dead, fuck you. In 2968 he lamented a lynch order of Elena > Bins > T-Bone > Titus > Bulbazak > Radja/chesskid. Now, this is Bins > Titus > Bulba > Radja / CK. Again, looks worse on Bins/Radja/CK as well as (tit)Us and Bulba. 2977 is also good as a defense to our slot (lol) but his reads are pretty off from mine and Math's. :shrug: GL a good player so something to keep in mind.

Titus: Well, I'll take a more reserved approach. Mathdino was never a scum target but universally townread. So he was likely wrong somewhere. Still, I love the general approach of listening to townreads. Remind me to set a time with you to go through all the reads to see if they were killed or if scum pushed a lynch for being correct. I want to see if that holds for Elena.

Other Thoughts

Eddie feels that Smociane vote parked LLD. If chesskid could relay the teams thoughts at that point, that would be awesome as it might explain what Eddie feels is a votepark.

Maria lives matter! Having Bins / Dunker / Titus / T-Bone as a town core is really good of Maria because I have Dunker as strong town. Does throw a wrench in scum!Bins though :d. Wanting to lynch Key and Math is annoying because it hurts my impression that Key is incredibly obvious town and town!key means Maria was flat out wrong. Actually, read further, Bulba and Xyzzy top 2 s cumreads is alright. Not great, but alright.

Titus's thoughts...

If Elena was lynched because town disagreed with her and scum coasted, then the accuracy of her reads does not mean much. Yet, if scum drummed up the Elena wagon and sat back then that would be beneficial. It's worth another read through of the Elena wagon knowing she's town.


So, fun stuff, reads time! There's 7 townies and 2 scummies to sort, so those aren't bad odds. I will say, my reads are a lot weaker in this game than they usually are, but dunno. Still feel alright with where I'm at. Most of my strong townreads are dying (Math / A50) which is awesome [/sarcasm]
Key is town from play imo. Regardless, Fire flipping scum in the other game makes Key a lot more likely town. I am accounting for Chara / Elena, along with Titus, but still think this slot is hard town. <-- I'm agreeing to respect this for now. I just hate RC's basic inattention or discussing to this game and sudden "my bad/reaction test" and then leaving.
Dunker is still quite town. Pushing against Elena looks good. <-- Agreed here
It is bad I could see anyone after this being scum very easily, but that makes me feel better about these two reads at least.
Bulba still seems quite townie. Don't understand the points against him really. Requesting Mastina and Thor to give this game time, it is needed if you (bulba) are town.
CDB still pretty townie but really needs to participate more. Singer is one of the best people in TM18, get her to read this game pretty please. Fench / Pat / CES are also all good, you have one of the strongest teams so I think it is really important you get them to participate here as the second game came to a close and TM is winding down. Tell Patrick particularly Eddie requests he reads this.

After this, it gets a lot harder. {Archwing / Xyzzy / CK / Radja / Bins} hopefully contains both scum, making {Titus / Keychain / Bulba / CDB / Dunker} the townbloc. Unfortunately, not confident enough to lock that off , but it is a starting place. Isn't Bins supposed to be an easy read? :shrug:
It is sad, because I am not confident calling anyone in this group town. The thing that makes Radja the towniest is that I would think every one of his teammates except Cheet takes scum over him; Reck / Hip flipped town and both have particularly good scum games supposedly. I think he's probably town cause of that. The problem is, that Titus case was really bad and Cheet / TSQ / Reck / Hip are all good players; this is another one of the top teams, and the slot has been completely useless. I want in depth stuff from Reck and Cheet at least who are dead and done; Hip and TSQ would be nice too. Solve the game, you have the capability. Case CK for me. And, most importantly, explain what changed your mind about our slot and why you were so sure we were scum.
Radja does have a lot of individual scum equity, so I'm happy looking there today. Radja v CK as the wagons today would be awesome. I want to see them 1v1 and tryhard. CK has a lot of town points, so he can be the towniest in this pool until Radja shows me otherwise
Archwing should be town, but UCV refusing to swap with Creature, awful supposed reads from Creature on the rare chance they come up, and UCV's very weird Fitz stuff... dunno. Can be 3rd. Creature, do more. Sort the game as if I'm town, tell me what you think. We need your stream of consciousness to sort you.
Then, there's Xyzzy and Bins. I need someone else to show me why Bins is town, because the reads on that slot are the most bipolar things in the game. I see lock town and lock scum everywhere. I just can't see it right now, scum!Mariar was the nail in the coffin for me. Xyzzy has been useless all game and has trash reads.
All in all,
{Key / Dunker}
{CDB / Bulba}
{Archwing / CK / Radja}
{Bins / Xyzzy}
And what's worst is I can see Bulba scum argument too, which is really bad because it shows just how bad my reads could be. Urgh. Slots, stop being scummY!! ):


Titus's reads

Dunker/Mina (formerly CDB)/chesskid
Bulba


Bins
Archwing ZZYZ Radja

[Titus]

if im ur 3rd strongest TR why are you asking me to 1v1 Radja?

Like, if you want to restore some sanity making it clear that they'll have to nightkill me is good

it's probably also proscum too but I just don't have the every day screaming in me this game so if we could just lynch scum and I'll get NKed that works for me

Is this to me?

[Titus]

si papi

I am not in favor of a day long one v one. I just think you are town and he has a decent chance of being scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: xyzyz

Why did this happen?

[Titus]

Radja and Titus have the same lynch pool lol


Radja and Titus have the same lynch pool lol

no they dont wat

Yeah Radja's in my pool.

Eddie has a hard TR on Key. I do not.

[Titus]

@Titus: Talk to me about Archwing. Your scumread seems to fly in the face of your VCA. Do you no longer think it's accurate?

Vote Xyzzy

I'm not sure where you think my Archwing read is counter to my VCA.

1) He (in his various forms) never voted LLD.
2) His slot has been largely silent while we wagoned Elena town and you whom I think is town.
3) His current SRs read like opportunistic fakery.

vc

Votecount 1.03

T-Bone (1)

Bins ,

skirt skirt (4)

Lady Lamdadelta , Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

Lady Lamdadelta (1)

Smocaine ,

Bins (1)

Mathdino ,

Bulbazak (1)

skirt skirt ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Keychain ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Radja ,

Not Voting (4)

Aeronaut , ChannelDelibird , Elena Fisher , Almost50 ,

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Votecount 1.11

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

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Votecount 1.12

Titus (2)

T-Bone , Aeronaut ,

Titus (3)

T-Bone , Aeronaut , Bins ,

havingfitz (6)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Almost50 , UC Voyager , Elena Fisher , L-2

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Radja , Dunkerdoodles ,

Almost50 (2)

Bulbazak , Titus ,

Not Voting (2)

chesskid3 ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

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Voyager (former Arch) only changes when LLD inevitable.

Here you go Bulba.

Also I knew someone wanted me to look at "timing", but that was vague.

[Titus]

I do feel there's likely one busser but the majority would be off given how the wagons played out. Because I know that no other wagon choice but for LLD slot was scum D1, wagon shopping becomes more likely. Early LLD voters just are not scum. LLD would encourage bussing of her.

[Titus]

But if LLD would encourage bussing, wouldn't that suggest scum in the early voters?

Also, I'm wondering what happened to change your mind.

Fitz flipping scum. Many other wagon choices conftown. I constantly reassess with new data. We know A50 and Mathdino town. That shows to me 3 town wagons against 1 scum wagon. Thus whatever influence LLD had was holdover and the bus came later.

If scum were in the early voters on Fitz, the scum on Fitz abandon the Fitz wagon and pick either me A50 or Dino rather than keep the Fitz wagon alive.

[Titus]

If there was early bussing scum on the wagon, I'd expect them to double down when Fitz entered the picture. But I think I see what you're saying. I'll reexamine if I still think it makes sense when I come back, but that will also be me looking at some of your other posts and stances.

Like I said, work emergencies are done and as of now this os still my only game. So we can dance and check each other.

You said townblocks were fine but for who suggested them. Elaborate? Eddie has concerns on you so I am resorting here a bit. I expect the same conclusion though.

[Titus]

@Bulba, I am not sold on Bins town. Also yesterday was NEVER about charts and evidence. It was a few people vote parking and everyone else being apathetic and not voting good wagons. Talk to me about Bins being town when the reasons laid out against Bins town were much more persuasive.

@xzzy, How opportunistic.

@Archwing, looking now.

[Titus]

Hey Archwing, I'd like a paraphrase on all the notes creature has ever made about this game, with dates (no timestamps)

You're allowed to paraphrase things, just not quote, copy or paste

Not gonna let me ease into it, eh? fine.

k so, game started on 20th of Jan.
on 22nd creature wanted UCV to push LLD and skirt skirt.
early town reads on dunker bins and a50.
keychain looks bad, thus he makes the first scum team guess of {lld, skirt, keychain}
later (still 22nd) says must be reading keychain wrong.
keeps saying he wants eddie cane pushed.
thinks elena would most likely choose scum from her team
on 23rd, says skirt hasn't done enough for him to 180 flip read him
25th says {elena LLD transcend}
also thinks TBone doesn't pick scum and then lurk 'til lynched.
29th thinks bins being dino's top lynch is wtffff
thinks NSG and dino are the most likely people on your team to pick scum.
on the first of feb, thought about pushing chess for scum, then retracted and said stay on havingfitz.
6th of feb, thinks chess + CDB scum. keychain town, don't push the wagon.
A50's post 2053 has a solid case on chesskid scum.
and finally, CDB still looks bad.

vc

Votecount 1.03

T-Bone (1)

Bins ,

skirt skirt (4)

Lady Lamdadelta , Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

Lady Lamdadelta (1)

Smocaine ,

Bins (1)

Mathdino ,

Bulbazak (1)

skirt skirt ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Keychain ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Radja ,

Not Voting (4)

Aeronaut , ChannelDelibird , Elena Fisher , Almost50 ,

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Votecount 1.11

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

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Votecount 1.12

Titus (2)

T-Bone , Aeronaut ,

Titus (3)

T-Bone , Aeronaut , Bins ,

havingfitz (6)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Almost50 , UC Voyager , Elena Fisher , L-2

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Radja , Dunkerdoodles ,

Almost50 (2)

Bulbazak , Titus ,

Not Voting (2)

chesskid3 ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

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Voyager (former Arch) only changes when LLD inevitable.

@titus, creature wants you to look at the timing of this

Yes. I don't know what Creature is asking here...:/ That's why I said it was vague. Rephrase?

[Titus]

@Bulba, what is your read on Key btw.

Mod vc please