I hope this doesn't make you dislike me, I have a tendency to go hard at people I love outside the gameIn post 2536, Super wrote:oh, Oreo
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Reasoning wasn't strong enough to persist, and the game has progressed quite a lot in the meantime-
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My own reasoning for placing them at a townread.
No, sorry, talking to you isn't really changing my position on your slot.
What's going on through my head: "Hmmm, welllll, eff it, let's go"-
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Join the dark side!In post 2545, Firebringer wrote:NGL i am a little tempted to join the infinity wagon-
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Yeeeeeah doesn't look like much when you qualify it with "it's possible" where be the convictionIn post 2546, chennisden wrote:Infernal take but I think it's possible
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I haven't thought that through yetIn post 2553, Firebringer wrote:who do u exactly pay out to in the untimely event that i get yeeted?-
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yeah well "DARK" side health plan what did you expectIn post 2557, Firebringer wrote:auro this medical plan sounds shady as fuck.-
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Koba what do you think of "Super is bussing AL"-
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(Build heavy towncred -> bus weakest partner -> control future elims) that's the rationale X had suggested.-
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I wouldn't rule that out actually
I feel like Infinity would be judged the weakest partner in every case for third scum...? Or do you think this would narrow it down to a specific subsetlilith2013 wrote:If you think infinity is the weakest partner, who do you think is the third scum?-
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Amy: Not weak
Johnny: Slides by fine
Flopz: Well liked at the time
AL was already receiving some pushes at the time. If both other scum were in {Johnny/Flopz/AL} subset maybe she'd push Koba though. Hmm.-
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Do you think that in a vacuum they would though?In post 2585, Firebringer wrote:Auro all three of these people have to survive for 4 consecutive eliminations. I don't think ur thinking ur theory through.-
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My understanding of her personality profile is that she would, actuallyIn post 2596, Firebringer wrote:Ur thinking super would just do this because......i don't even know.
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I mean, Super, honest answer: leave my allegation that you're specifically bussing AL, would you bus a partner D1 in a Flag setup?-
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Risky move but great payoff if successful. Remember that you require 4 miselims as scum anyway.
Btw, last year's Team Mafia WF had a D1 bus.-
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Dude... scum wereIn post 2613, Firebringer wrote:didn't the scum lose in that one though.nearlyclose to winning. Took me 1000 posts and staving off a ton of paranoia to take the win there~
I literally had to offer my own slot at one point for a slot that was pushing me the entire time on shitty reasons (which I townread), which Mena's posts reminded me of strongly-
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I like it pure mountainous dayplay without any night role shit. And nightless is even better cuz can't be killedIn post 2620, Firebringer wrote:You got Flag setup twice in a row?!?!?!? I pity you.-
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More townies but also Nightkills. I think TM2020 WF is a pretty great read-
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Yeah, now I want to play thatIn post 2633, Firebringer wrote:I hope ur talking about legends of hidden temple.
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i don't put as much stock into it as you probably perceive me to, but it seemed like a reasonable possibility. I *think* Super replacing out is towny.
When I call someone "weak" I'm not going by whether they're elim'able in the moment - confident that Ampharos would be able to put in more effort. Also <not townread> isn't the criterion, it's <how doomed is their slot>.-
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sorta think it's a state you enter and then it's hard to get out of? especially if it's the outcome after you've posted significantly enough unlike a lurkslot-
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mehIn post 2667, DkKoba wrote:game quality increased by 90%-
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busy day and I'm kinda feeling ehhh I'll be back later today, sorry-
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I interpreted "beefy" to literally mean "lots of words".-
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Any spicy conspiracy theory?
Someone asked me why I voted Johnny -- just because I saw Fire and Lilith vote him -- kinda not feeling the game a lot right now. Fine with switching over to AL as well-
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Walk me through the differences between Super!town and Super!wolf, in terms of her specific towntells this game
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This will be unnecessary.In post 2930, Auro wrote:Walk me through the differences between Super!town and Super!wolf, in terms of her specific towntells this game-
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Sure, it'll be helpful. I read your post previously as thatIn post 2933, joqiza wrote:Anything I say will be basically the equivalent of self-meta, given it's my own slot, but I can actually do this if needed. I mean I try not to rely on meta too much in general but I can break down my experiences and the way I have known she is a wolf in the past. Just lmk.Superwas an easy read, not you; but I simply think that it may be a waste of time rather than just scumhunting given you're a self-claimed "ez" read-
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I don't think their lack of response to you means anything. I have Koba at above null. X: "that's Koba" regarding his play, and we believe he'd take thread control as scum: instead he's been sitting on Super and Mena tunnels for a large part of the gameIn post 2940, lilith2013 wrote:@auro do you have nothing else to say about koba slot? I was kind of hoping for more of a response than “beefy just means lots of words”-
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Can you ask your sources how that differs from his scumplay?In post 2956, lilith2013 wrote:I’ve been told by my team that this is p much how he plays as town-
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Are we forbidden from talking about replacements in TM?
Primary reasoning is that I don't have the drive to push through, secondary is that I think AL has +scum equity because Super!slot has +town equity for reasons, third is that Chen-AL do seem to have some partner equity.-
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Generally speaking, it's theoretically optimal for a team needing a town replacement to find someone extremely easy to read~In post 2968, Auro wrote:Are we forbidden from talking about replacements in TM?-
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It's somewhat of a lazy take, but I feel like Chen's been trying to divert from the AL elim - pushes on multiple slots but no real conviction.-
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Interesting, AL: you'd be willing to vote Chen?-
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The interesting part was that Super's own reaction was fine ("you better not make enemies with me *wink wink* let's converse later") but herIn post 2984, lilith2013 wrote:I think that viewing super’s reaction through somewhat of a nancy lens makes her response understandable tooteamthen scumread AL very strongly, which she then began to believe as well.-
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That was a major part of my push on Super , however, you'll find my updated thoughts on the slot on the previous page.-
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In post 2968, Auro wrote:Are we forbidden from talking about replacements in TM?
Primary reasoning is that I don't have the drive to push through, secondary is that I think AL has +scum equity because Super!slot has +town equity for reasons, third is that Chen-AL do seem to have some partner equity.In post 2969, Auro wrote:
Generally speaking, it's theoretically optimal for a team needing a town replacement to find someone extremely easy to read~In post 2968, Auro wrote:Are we forbidden from talking about replacements in TM?-
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What's the difference between toxicity and "overly aggressive to the point of being mean-spirited"? Or am I misunderstanding something?In post 2992, Autumn Leaves wrote:he felt overly aggressive to the point of being mean-spirited. She also TRed him when he started being toxic,-
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You're evaluating her team's perspective from what you assume Super's personal Nancy-esque response would be though, isn't that inaccurate?In post 2990, lilith2013 wrote:I think you can see a hint of what her eventual reaction will be in 1333, I agree it wasn’t great that she didn’t say her team worked her up so much, but I think her reaction would have been similar anyway. Just maybe not so aggressive.-
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Her reaction independent of that would have been to just carry a conversation with AL digging into it, while maybe just expressing a similar dislike, no?In post 2997, lilith2013 wrote:I think her team’s response probably got her more emotional about it but I don’t know/think if that really changed what her reaction would have been like. Are you suggesting that she faked an emotional response and pinning it on her teammates?
I won't say she faked emotion, it's totally possible to have the same emotion if you think you're unfairly (or for "bad reasons") being read as scum even if you're scum. I got the feeling that her team *told* her to respond aggressively and attack AL in that way, post which she did.
I also voted her, expressed a strong scumread on her and pushed her - have you read her general response to that? What would you make of it?-
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Latter. I think I have better reasons to believe town!Super now.In post 2999, lilith2013 wrote:Are your questions because you think super is being scummy and are trying to convince me of that or because you’re trying to sort me?
Joqiza mentioned he's an easy to read player, and I believe that. I think it's optimal for a hypothetical TM team to recruit someone easy to read to replace a town slot.-
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It would help her read you better, no?In post 3033, Firebringer wrote:
pretty much. ur asking both of us to waste time on something that won't change either of our minds. So why should we bother.In post 3029, lilith2013 wrote:i mean... yes? is that a problem?-
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Ah nvmIn post 3043, Firebringer wrote:For lilith my internal cadence doesn't matter. She will not townread me for that.-
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Idk you guys seem to think blocs are set in stone. In my head they're always open to re-evaluation based on flips; and having a divided town is highly beneficial for scum due to their proportion and split votes.-
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And that's okay, as they're going to continue to be under scrutiny anyway. Town agreeing and aligning while scum try to slink into the bloc is better than town disagreeing and scum chilling out doing nothing.-
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Unified voting and short-term trust.In post 3073, Firebringer wrote:if ur going to continue revaluating everyone in the townblock it questions the necessity of the block to begin with.-
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Kinda interesting to see myself in everyone's "cool with elim" list, lol, I'm curious about your own reasoning.In post 3074, Menalque wrote:Also I’m not sure if I’m townreading auro anymore-
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