Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

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I can see the former, although I'm not sold the pushes on Cakez have been made by scum. Examples on the latter would be useful.

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and what about the elements i pointed out?

your PR's activated by fruit alignement is also wrong as we already claimed fruit anyways, and i don't see a world where some town roles are activated by specific flavor

FV knowing they were RB'd isn't particularly useful for town, given they wouldn't know who rb'd them or why. It is potentially useful for scum deciding who needs to make the NK if there's a town RB.

If the number of fruit received is roughly the same as the number of players (one or two less at least), claiming the sending of fruit probably doesn't out any PRs. This is corroborated by the SB flip being a multitasking PR and FV, as PB mentioned. Unless it turns out that 14 or so peaches were received what we've already claimed is more than ample for D2.

I have seen no indication that scum would have multiple kills in this game so far, and until there is such an indication I don't think it's wise to try to play around it.

As far as specific fruit being PRs, there is a chance that say, golden delicious apples (obviously not a type of peach) are actually doc shots that show up as fruit. Or some other form of invention. I don't know that scum doesn't have a method of trying to narrow down PRs based on peach flavoring, and I don't see a reason not to play around that.

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Jingle - 1 Peaches
SS - 1 Peaches
Noraa - 2 Peaches
PB - 5 Peaches
Cat- 2 Peaches
MWB - Presumably at least 1 peaches via context.

This is currently accurate, afaik, and not everyone has claimed. That's 11-13 peaches already.

We should not be claiming who we sent to yet, but it is entirely possible that everyone is a FV and there are PRs in addition, or that the PRs are a variant of announcing where when they use their power they also give fruit.

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It feels wrong to me that Jake's interaction with the thread today has been blatant refusal to do anything town, and no one seems to find this objectionable, despite the fact that I've brought it up a few times.

@Pooky, could you poke MathBlade for a gamestate read?

@GE, could you poke A50 for a gamestate read?

@PB, does FL have any thoughts about the PI wagon?

@mwb, could you poke Dunn for an analysis of Maria's play?

@PI is ceph keeping up with this game and does he have any thoughts?

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no one seems to find this objectionable

Point. Cheet also noticed that Jake has only been putting out content when under pressure.

Compared to Gamma/PI, though, Jake has been very under the radar with worse play. It's fascinating.

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Hm.

I don't think SS/Jake is S/S. SS's convo with SB about Jake doesn't look like 2 scum talking about their partner.

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When have I ever been satisfied with a D2 solve, PB?

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I think Maria and Zaiden are both stronger town in light of spf's iso.

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Zaiden, Pink Ball
noraa, midwaybear, Cheetory6
Morning Tweet
MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear, MariaR
Gypyx
Something_Smart, SirCakez
PrivateI, Gamma Emerald
Jake The Wolfie

I'm roughly here. Assuming you're right on PI and your D3 elim isn't dumb, sure.

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My two favorite players posting back to back!

Ouch. Right in the feels. I knew our marriage was a lie.

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Spring's wagon was all town!

Mostly agree with this. I think there's at most one scum in the 10.

I was talking to Dann and while he's not caught up here he helped sum up my feelings about the PI wagon pretty well.

PI flipping scum doesn't really change anything for me. PI flipping town doesn't really change anything for me. Either way, it's not really a surprise, because he just hasn't been here. If we eliminate him it doesn't help me sort anyone for tomorrow, because how the hell do you judge the wagon on a guy with 10 posts?

Given that PI had single digit posts at the time of the SB reads wall, faking forgetting about him seems reasonable from anyone who would go to the effort of faking forgetting about someone (which for the record doesn't gel with my impression of Kanna at all) and actually forgetting about him seems reasonable from literally anyone.

Combine that with the complete lack of CW, and today just feels like a waste of a dayphase, regardless of the outcome.

I'd honestly be happier eliminating someone contentious that I think is >rand town and having more useful information come tomorrow.

To that end:

@PB: I will vote literally anyone in the player list you tell me to other than PI today, even if they're a townread of mine.

I want spice, not flour.

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Is someone in here that wants to shitpost befre I pass out??

I'm about half here.

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Danke

hey S_S do you agree with the push on PI?

□ Yes
□ No
□ Why the fuck are you making boxes
other (pls detail)

I'm not S_S. My name is Jingle.

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Wait no, we're asking politely to leave. This is a happy community

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can you detail then if u feel like answering

:thorface:

It’s on the last page, weird beard person.

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oh no my posts are becoming boolean logic programming has taken over my pathetic fragile stupid brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m a computer. Stop all the downloading.

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I think this is a pretty bad argument to not elim someone who has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. It's not like this is an information elim.

It would be, if I thought there was a significantly higher chance of PI flipping scum. His absence appears to be meatworld based (despite being a skittle PI has no forum posts since mid December and is apparently either sick or waiting to hear back from doctors about being sick) and the associative bit with Kanna is wholly unimpressive to me.

Could he be scum? Sure. But it's a PoE read at best. As I explained in the post you literally quoted to say that was a bad argument.

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Mostly agree with this. I think there's at most one scum in the 10.

why

Mostly individual reads, somewhat gamestate.

Looking at the wagon and coloring townreads:

(

Pink Ball

,

staypositivefriend

, Something_Smart, SirCakez,

Zaiden

, Gamma Emerald,

Cheetory6

,

midwaybear

,

Jingle

,

MariaR

)

Based on PB's arguments, I don't think {You/Cakez/Gamma} has multiple scum and I don't think I'm wrong about any of the townreads on wagon. Is this a take it to the bank and bet the house, the farm, and the kid's college fund on it kind of read? No. But this wagon looks incredibly town. I also got the sense that scum were waiting to see if Noraa/Pooky would be able to derail the wagon for them, and the best position to be while doing that was wagon adjacent.

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Jingle: "I want real info, I don't want to just kill a lurker"...while voting Jake

:/

There's a large difference between Jake and PI. For example, somebody actually townreads Jake.

More though, I want something controversial so that people can actually take stances that might get them to be readable.

Let him make the case, Noraa. I'm willing to listen.

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I don't think the case will change anything game state wise.

You don't think that SS pushing one of the stronger players in the thread when he's been mostly passive up to this point is going to generate reads, or at least new discussion?

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VOTE: Murdercat

Let's see what happens.

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Everyones just tunneled on private

Sure, but why?

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<3 Cheet.

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Private could literally claim odd night cop even night doctor and I'd hammer it anyways.
I just want this day O V E R

Everyones just tunneled on private

Sure, but why?

I don't even know honestly. I've been skipping basically all the cases because they bore me way too much.

And you don't see the problem here?

Like... At the end of today, nothing changes. There's no counterwagon. There's no interactions to analyze. There's no real point to this elimination. The only person who has aggressively pushed PI is PB, who literally no one thinks could be scum.

PI has been run up because he's borderline siteflaked and Kanna forgot him in a readslist, and I literally just talked about why the latter is flimsy.

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Who is "somebody"?

SS posted a towncase like a day ago. Reading is tech.

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Or, being as this is team mafia, funnel your excess energy into helping your teammates.

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no its a horrible idea and I need to wait until tomorrow.

I disagree with PB being scum, but with that said I will listen with an open mind and try to show you where you're wrong. Is the basis of your PB read still that he's been too confident on the pushes he's made and that they read as informed?

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FMPOV? Roughly the same reason I eventually ended up at you town.

Kanna's interaction with our 1v1 was offputting, particularly the way she went about me. I could easily see the agreement with your conclusion while still saying your argument was bad as being possibly partner indicative from the outside. It doesn't feel like an unreasonable read. I think it's very clear that you and SB aren't aligned, but that doesn't necessarily mean others won't disagree.

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Do you have a page range this happened so I can go back and look?

I do remember that PB was one of the names I questioned when I thought about who was cheerleading our fight, but to be frank there were a lot of people doing that.

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but um just around the end of day 1, pink ball kept saying I was scum with Kanna. And the thing is I understand saying im scum or saying kanna is scum but specifically tying us together just does not feel right. I don't know what else to say about it but it just does not feel like it ever comes from town because nearly everyone was saying I was town around that time and then he pops in and says im scum with kanna.

Oh!

I think I get what you're saying now.

Spoiler:

Well if we're going in this rabbit hole of preflip associations...

I think Noraa's interactions with SB are damning

???????

Your reaction to Spring Breeze's townread on you felt forced, like you wanted to distance from your partner who was making a bad call.

How about you prove me wrong by voting Spring Breeze right now!!

Jingle you're waiting for something that's not going to come. Vote SB

Anyways we don't need to end day early and I want to town case kanna. Everyone should probs look elsewhere for a bit. I mean we got a claim and all. No need to rush the day.

This is exactly why Noraa is scum with Spring

Ok let's just flip Kanna I think it's fine.
If Cake is scum and she is town he will still be here tomorrow.
Sorry Noraa, but let's prevent this from becoming a huge mess of a D1 like Death Curse and flip the maybe scum early. Would have saved us a ton of effort in Death Curse too.

And worst case scenario we're flipping a VT. Anyone wanting to derail this shit is scum

Because of the PR soft claim. Town doesn't do that shit even if Noraa thinks that she can project her own extravagant way of playing to other players

To confirm, this is roughly what you're talking about when you say that PB's linking of you to Kanna felt unnatural, right?

Well, here's the thing: You're right.

Explicitly, 100%, PB was putting on a song and dance routine here. He was lying out of his ass and throwing darts at the wall and intentionally discrediting you. And... it's a big part of why he's town. All of the posts about how you were scum with Kanna had two purposes: 1. to get you to shut up about your townread on Kanna and 2. to get undecided people to stop thinking and sheep him. PB was so sure that Kanna needed to be flipped there that he was simply saying whatever it took to get her flipped.

But all of those things are scummy! Sure. They can be. But there's a reason scum does stuff like that. It's rhetorically powerful. Acting cocky and selfsure and being aggressive is the best way to get people to listen to what you're saying. It's all about taking the best aspect of your scumgame to make your towngame stronger, and if using your scum toolbox makes you better at town you listen. PB's pretty much doing the same thing here. He's making deals with me to try to get me to throw my support behind the PI wagon because I'm one of like 2 people who are actively resisting it and he knows that if I stop doing that the day ends right here and right now. Yesterday, he was trying to convince me and Murder to vote SB. He knew you were never going to be the vote he needed, so he didn't care about convincing you.

But if you look at the tangible results of what he did? The fact that he ended up getting rid of SB? The fact that SB flipped strong scum power? The fact that he himself was already in a position where he didn't need any towncred? The fact that there were probably 6 or 7 different places he could have swung the wagon that weren't SB without too much effort? Well, it paints a different picture.

tl;dr: Yes, PB was probably faking the associations on you and SB, but the thought process behind doing so was a town thought process. I can totally see why you think that makes him scum, but it really doesn't.

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Sorry, I'd typed up that post and meant to hit submit but had to deal with a phone call that couldn't wait. Didn't mean to leave the thread for so long.

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SB's interactions with murder

lynx?

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Noraa, you were the main antagonist of what my goal was. Learn about rethorics and discrediting and come back after that

For the record, he did say that, just in a snarky way.

But that's kinda just PB. He's adorable and friendly in most situations, but he can snark with the pros and this whole fight you two have had today just looks like a breakdown in communication.

Should PB have been more clear in explaining what he was doing at day start? Probably. But the fact he wasn't is more to do with him responding to you like you're me than him responding to you like you're you.

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I won't waste my time on pink ball anymore tho. I'll forget the linking and I believe that if scum, it'll show through eventually.

Thanks. And yeah, there's a world where I'm wrong and this is all part of some master plan where PB has the whole thread in his pocket, but frankly worst case scenarios like that are the point behind PRs.

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I don't like how the points are coming out of your mouth and not pink balls.

Eh. It's one of the two things I do very well as town, as anyone who has any real experience with my better towngames can tell you.

I mechsolve and make sure town actually has a way to work together.

Sometimes my reads are amazing and I tear apart a scumteam, but those games are pretty infrequent, especially in lists with a lot of tonal posters. Sometimes I stumble into obvtowning and make myself impossible to eliminate. I'm definitely hard to eliminate when I fight back. But anyone who legitimately considers fearkilling me does so because I am really good at making sure the thread is in a position where other people can come up with the right answer, even if I myself can't.

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I'll take a look at context and get back to you, Gypyx.

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Okay, so, contextually the first one was a throwaway comment on page three and SB's second post ITT. Given that murder made an alt and avatar for this game particularly, I feel like that one can be taken at face value.

The second one came when SB was first coming under pressure from Cheet. Interestingly, murder was largely absent before hand and came in with a flurry of townposting not long afterwards. Either way, it seems to have served the purpose of distracting the thread away from SB for a time, and I'm not sure that it's impossible that it was a planned intervention on Murder's part. It's definitely the strongest argument of your three, but I'm not sure I believe it.

The third was when SB had already claimed and looked largely political to me, both then and now. I don't think it's farfetched at all to put MurderScumBuddy at the top of that list, simply because Murder was fairly UTR. I did notice while looking at that post that she gave roughly the same reasoning for Murder town and Pooky town and Murder was a higher place on the list, and that top four were the only people really considering letting her off (Cheet was getting cold feet and Murder was poking Pooky to explain his defense better).

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That was @Gypyx's towncase, I walked away and didn't read anything when there was a shitton of PEdits.

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That wasn't a very good town case and if you want a real one I'll do it

Eh. I'm more concerned about how other people are reading you than you towncasing yourself. If the wagon takes off I'll take you up on that, though.

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That's about what I'd expect from Ceph, tbh.

Interesting he's reading Cheet as null though.

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Hard to say. Ceph is certainly capable of faking a reads wall.

It's why I dislike the wagon so much. I don't think there's a good argument for it either way and it doesn't seem like it's going to give us anything to work with regardless of the flip.

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You guys are making this game too damn easy

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Yes, but as an inside joke between us; Jingle has a theory that he wins every game that he gets to eliminate me. But he corrected me saying that he's actually scumreading me and no, I don't really know why he would think I'm scum right now, but I don't really care either 'cause we're going to end up working together no matter what his read on me is or my read on him is either

VOTE: PB

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PB is clearly talking about the reactions to me trying to provide a real chance for a PI cw, which he's been waiting for me to do for quite some time unless I missed my mark.

He thinks it's very possible I'm scum.

And, no, his Murder TR is genuine.

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I think I see where this is going but I don't like where its going

Nah, it's not a mason soft. Although, unless I miss my mark he'd corroborate a mason fakeclaim from me here.

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Nah. I'm the one with the murder paranoia.

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the build up to this has somehow been more stressful than the build up to a lim flip.

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Everyone who sends fruit that doesn't explicitly do something is sending that fruit to PB.

I'm like 90% sure that PB doesn't die tonight.

Every non protective role claims tomorrow.

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MT towncase.

The gist of my MT townread is this:

When here, she consistently posts things that either have a clear trajectory or a very town organization to them. Take for example 3071:

You might say it's a summary, and there is certainly a summary aspect to it. However, it also comes with it's fair share of analysis. Her take on PB not being a bus is basically the same reasoning from my post at Noraa. The stop in the middle to look at SB's reads comes across as a genuine attempt at scumhunting, and the notations there all struck me as relevant. All of the events she brought up do strike me as noteworthy. She doesn't shy away from analyzing motivations (see: murder and preflips, gypyx with maria case) but also doesn't force analysis on every little thing. Possibly best of all, it doesn't feel like there's a motivation to this post. She does all of this analysis and work and ends up with what seems to be a pretty solid starting place for a towncore. It doesn't look like she's doing it for the towncred, because she keeps hunting when the post is done and isn't really trying to steer the conversation away from any suspicious characters.

She's been fairly consistently doing that throughout her ISO, in fact. Sure, MT doesn't really make huge waves, but nothing she's done gives me any thoughts that she's trying to push the game in a proscum direction either. She's just been sitting there, solidly putting in the work and coming to decent conclusions while not really having much attention paid to her in comparison to the big flashy fights and cases. Unlike the lurker crew, though, she IS actively working to advance the gamestate.

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Did you enjoy the Loring Peach?

That is not the peach flavor I received, actually.

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Did you enjoy the Loring Peach?

That is not the peach flavor I received, actually.

Really?

Really. I got a sunhigh peach.

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Show of hands, who got the loring peach?

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Point.

I was trying to determine if it was a town or a scum busdrive, but I'm not entirely sure how to take advantage of that information either way.

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I got one peach. The sunhigh.

I think that since I was clearly not busdriven with spf, it's likely that the busdriver is our town protective.

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Bus driver does nothing to the target of the people they drive.

Further discussion about this can only make the bus driver easier to pick out and shouldn't be done today.

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Actually... Noraa has a point. PB, did you get a loring?

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The more I think about it the more I don't want to solve this peach thing today.

The odds are very good that busdrive is a town PR, and figuring out the targets publicly doesn't really help us. If the busdriver is scum, I see no reason why they wouldn't have gone for a strongman kill last night and instead would drive me.

If PB didn't receive a loring, it likely means that there are multiple FV's of the same flavor, which is interesting, but also something we can deal with tomorrow and that I got a sunhigh from one of them.

PB provably targeted SPF last night, as he got a result of two people corroborating their having visited SPF. If SPF was busdriven with me, I would have received multiple peaches, and I explicitly didn't. Everyone who has a visitor style action (targets a player with no functional effect) targets PB to prevent watcher fakeclaims. PB should then have all of the information about peaches and can share it.

Town busdriver should drive PB with someone scummy. If the scum shoot for busdriver, PB is alive and might get a successful kill protect. If the scum shoot for PB, they risk killing a miselim. If the scum shoot for the person driven with PB they risk hitting a miselim even harder.

If there's a non driver protective, they should target either PB or someone at random to try to get the scum to drive PB with their target, without giving a clue as to which.

We almost 100% have a protective role given Kanna's flip, and that means PB probably stays alive until tomorrow. Scum busdriver and scum strongman kill seems like a weird combination to have in a setup.

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I'm currently looking at a scum team of Kanna/Private/Cake/Gamma/____

@ anyone who is familiar with Noraa/has teammates who are familiar with Noraa, what do you make of this?

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I'm lowkey exasperated that 5 people apparently sent me peaches after I specifically asked not to be sent any peaches.

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Don't try to guide the bus drive, PB. If there's a clear bus drive target they just shoot there and kill you anyway.

We could have someone we don't mind dying but who is likely town receive all the fruit though. It's more important that FV's don't target you than that we get their results though, and I don't see why scum would lie about having been the FV target if the fruit gets driven away.

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Plan:

FV -> Target PB. This is so PB doesn't see you targeting someone and get a false positive.
Busdriver -> Target PB and a rando as a protection.
Protective -> WIFOM between PB and a rando to mitigate scumdrive potential.
Other PR -> Act according to your own discretion.

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I'm not going to go into vig/cop/tracker/inventor/messenger/RB etc.

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That... is a terrible idea. It makes sure PB doesn't get actionable information. That's literally all it does.

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We want all of the FV's to target someone who isn't targeted by PB. Getting information about fruit is secondary.

You know who absolutely won't be targeted by PB? PB.

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PB targets a player and is told everyone who targeted them. If that player dies, he knows that one of those peeps performed the NK. That's the primary use of a watcher.

For every FV that targets the NK, that's an additional layer of obscurity scum can hide behind: "Oh, I was just giving them a fruit!" We want to close that.

Furthermore, if scum has roles like rolecop they have to come up with a reason for them to have targeted anyone that isn't PB too, should they be caught doing so. They're obviously not going to not target anyone, but they run the risk of getting caught by targeting not PB. That's why tomorrow is probably non protective massclaim day.

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If we have a vigilante shoot Morning Tweet or S_S right?

Assuming PI flips town yes. But that falls under other PRs using common sense and it's very unlikely we have a vig.

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I got a correction that changed my role to be the exact same role. lol. Plan unchanged.

VOTE: Close Thread

Plan:

FV -> Target PB. This is so PB doesn't see you targeting someone and get a false positive.
Busdriver -> Target PB and a rando as a protection.
Protective -> WIFOM between PB and a rando to mitigate scumdrive potential.
Other PR -> Act according to your own discretion.

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Sure, but the plan already accounted for that. If there is a bus driver that we don’t know about, they should do the thing we said bus drivers should do. If there isn’t, they shouldn’t. The rest of the plan (protective on you, peaches on you to stop false positives) is still important.

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If PI flips scum neither you nor my should be vigged.

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Mt not my.

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It's probably not horrible to vig me if private flips scum since I'll look bad and be a liability to town.

It’s a trap, I vigged him last night. Clearly bp scum.

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Oh, I thought that was a pub post. Dammit Noraa.

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So... my guess is I die tonight because no way am I getting eliminated this game.

My last will is this:

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Fuck.

SS, claim.

I got PB's peach.

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Looking back apparently MT didn't claim neither.

MT, claim as well.

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VOTE: Morning Tweet

SS, claim.

Why?

You softed a pr and are in a mechanical 1v1. Why wouldn’t you be claiming today?

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I dont think 5 is excessive but I also dont know shit about setup balance sooo yeah.

Did you float a 5 person scum team to your team?

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I mean, I think that the MT peach flavour thing tied with that she's in a pile of 1/2 town/scum makes it feel pretty likely that MT is just mafia and S_S is town here and if we can make that assessment he shouldn't need to claim here?

Yeah... SS softing power at eod when there was absolutely no reason to believe in the existence of a vig reads informed as fuck to me that PI was going to flip town.

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My peach flavor is empress, Noraa can corroborate.

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can you unpack that? I'm not really sure I understand.
Also, do you have thoughts on MT's claim?

We had one death night one.

SS was apparently worried enough about being the vig shot that he posted

Error did not change anything worth noting for me.

Please do not vig me.

VOTE: Close Thread

In a world where SS is town, he’s probably the night kill anyway because clumsy soft.
In a world where SS is scum it’s better to unpack the claim before solving the 1v1.

I’m also in favor of claiming peach flavors because that way we can probably determine if there are in fact duplicates.

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What large games have you played in the past?

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i cant believe noraa is trying to dumb tell on the number of scum yet again after death curse rofl

you are the best noraa

never change

Am I to take this as “it’s likely to be an untrustworthy slip”?

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But it is not unreasonable for scum noraa to take not knowing how many scum there are and the line of questioning probably won’t lead me to a lockdown read. Or at least that’s what you appear to be saying.

Fwiw I also think noraa is more town than scum atm.

Pedit: confirmation from noraa, sweet.

Noraa would you do the same thing as town?

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In a world where SS is town, he’s probably the night kill anyway because clumsy soft.

you think mafia confscums MT in that position?

My philosophy is and has always been to plan for the worst case scenario, which in this case is MT town.

I’m willing to wait on the claim until after we have pseudo confirmation on the uniqueness of peaches, but I’m not ready to write the day off as mt being the de facto elim just yet.

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But it is not unreasonable for scum noraa to take not knowing how many scum there are and the line of questioning probably won’t lead me to a lockdown read. Or at least that’s what you appear to be saying.

Fwiw I also think noraa is more town than scum atm.

Pedit: confirmation from noraa, sweet.

Noraa would you do the same thing as town?

uh I am doing this right now and I am town...

You are explicitly faking a lack of knowledge on scum team composition? Like, you knew that the game was likely 14:4 or 13:1:4 and proposed a five person scum team anyway?

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Also, for the record, I am better as scum than to blatantly slip that PI is flipping town. I could have added an "if PI flips town" in there, but there would have been no point, since it was clearly implicit.

The potential fruit slip does change things, but wasn’t there when I asked originally (nor was I aware of it when I explained the question) but the presumptive need to claim was pretty obvious and ensuring we had time to deal with it was common sense.

I’m not going to worry about the slip issue for the moment.

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We have received no indication that scum vends non peaches, and in fact there is sufficient reason to believe the opposite. That leads to the question of why would SB claim her partner’s peach flavor in the first place.

Case 1: The scum all shared peach flavors early and SB accidentally used her partner’s flavor.
Case 2: The mod error included MT and SB.
Case 3: There are duplicate peach flavors.

I’m sure there are additional cases, those are only the ones that have occurred to me between when I started posting/reading today and now. I’m trying to work out which one is the truth.

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btw jingle we're confirmed no 3rd party

That’s dumb, 3p makes the tiebreakers less likely to be necessary and should always be included in TM.

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You are explicitly faking a lack of knowledge on scum team composition? Like, you knew that the game was likely 14:4 or 13:1:4 and proposed a five person scum team anyway?

uh no?

Okay. Then the question stands. Would you do that as town?

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I'm worried that scum has something like an informant on a specific peach vendor being a specific role?

This is almost impossible fmpov given the nature of the mod error, btw.

The fix of “just make the fruit they sent their actual fruit doesn’t work if there’s a mechanism that relies on scum being informed of the identity of a or based on fruit holding, and basically telling us to talk about it would give scum an unfair advantage if there were a legitimate mechanic in place to tell them prs existed in the form of certain peaches.

[Jingle]

btw jingle we're confirmed no 3rd party

That’s dumb, 3p makes the tiebreakers less likely to be necessary and should always be included in TM.

sarcasm right

No, legitimate.

An sk winning a game makes the event much more likely to rely on game wins rather than subjective judgment.

[Jingle]

btw jingle we're confirmed no 3rd party

Fact checking this proves that we're actually 14:4, in case anyone actually had doubts about that.

[Jingle]

Case 3: highly unlikely

No reason not to check.

[Jingle]

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

This is a pretty hot take.

Who all hasn't shared their peach flavor?

[Jingle]

I think we're extrapolating too much of what the scum don't have based upon 1 PR flip.

Maybe. but from a design standpoint, imagine giving a mafia team a one-shot strongman and a one-shot ninja. How do you even know which to use? Do you just pick one randomly and pray? The purpose of giving mafia those powers is so they get a confirmed kill. if they had a ninja and a strongman, it seems clunky to me.

:thorface:

1shot sman 1shotninja host is actually a pretty common role. It’s pretty traditional.

Scum probably doesn’t have a ninja because the watcher is already nerfed by a gate and the presence of FVs. A triple nerf is excessive.

[Jingle]

Host -> joat

Fuck autocorrect. Right in it’s stupid face.

[Jingle]

I don’t think solving whether SS can be scum with MT is a today thing. If we hit scum today I’m likely not going to entertain an elimination on the other tomorrow at the very least. I do think it means that pooky probably isn’t scum with a town mt, though.

[Jingle]

I think gyp was talking about doing so without outing being a cop, but I agree that the comparison is forced either way.

[Jingle]

2. I don't disagree. He also said it loudly and multiple times on D1 with multiple people who are familiar with his playstyle present so I'm assuming this isn't super out of left field for him otherwise people would have wanted him super yeeted D1.

Can confirm that SS tends to passive scum hunting. It’s pretty NAI.

[Jingle]

I can't remember who said this earlier but they brought up an incredible point that imma reiterate because I agree with it.

Morning, kinda.

[Jingle]

Scum having both a ninja and a strongman would surprise me combined with the watcher being gated. I don't think that is likely and if it is possible i dont think we can be blamed

Acknowledging that there's probably not a ninja is like the towniest thing she's done today, and it's basically an NAI move, tbh. The post I made was calling it out as weird that she used both the actual reason and a nonsense reason.

[Jingle]

Some people said that they don't want to rush the day, but not much seems to be going on in terms of new pushes?

I need to go back and grab peach flavors, but I don't think everyone has claimed.

I'm also not opposed to waiting if people have question.

[Jingle]

BTW, the inventory mechanic has me suspecting that there is the possibility of power role distribution. I don't really have a mech plan for this, and I don't even know if my speculation is correct.
VOTE: Pink Ball
Long time no see and apparently for good reason

I hope we can all handle this little disagreement peacefully. Anyone want a peach?

Hmm, I want to townread you for saying this.

In case I die, this is the core of my MWB townread. I realized that I'd never actually put it into the thread, and there's no reason to keep the card close to my chest since we figured out that errybody a FV. This comes across very strongly as "MWB doesn't realize there's a fuckton of FV's" in a way that I don't think scum thinks to fake, and there were a bunch of FV softs early D1 that led me to the conclusion that scum would definitely know there were multiple FV's.

[Jingle]

Jingle - Empress
Gypyx - Crestheaven
noraa - Springprince
Zaiden - Hearken
Something_Smart - Rio Grande
Morning Tweet - Dixie Red
Cheetory6 - Belle of Georgia
SirCakez
Jake The Wolfie
Gamma Emerald
midwaybear
PookyTheMagicalBear
MariaR
MURDERCAT

There is a reason I want all of these claims. If you have not yet claimed your peach flavor, please do so or explain why you don't want to do so.

Also, I DID receive a peach with the same flavor as my own. I was sorta alluding to this earlier in the day, so that is a thing.

Hrmm. Was this resolved?

[Jingle]

Also, if anyone received a Dixie Red or Rio Grande on D1, please speak up.

[Jingle]

his comes across very strongly as "MWB doesn't realize there's a fuckton of FV's" in a way that I don't think scum thinks to fake, and there were a bunch of FV softs early D1 that led me to the conclusion that scum would definitely know there were multiple FV's

I don’t really understand this reasoning. You’re saying that scum would conclude that there were multiple FV by the middle of the day while I made that post very early. Also, scum probably are all fv or something, so they would probably know that everyone is fv instantly

I, using only thread information, concluded that there were at least 6 FV's by around page 8, I think, and likely more than that.

Using this knowledge, I determined it would be likely that scum would have multiple FV, or at least a hint that there were multiple FVs.

Your posts came across as not knowing there were a bunch of fruit vendors, which reads genuinely uninformed to me. That led me to a conditional townread that would be reevaluated when/if I worked out the density of FVs in the setup. When it became clear that the thread was full of them, the townread solidified further.

At the time, I didn't want to out the reaction in case there was a finite amount of fruit vendors and it would reduce the impact of actual PRs, but given that's not a risk there's no reason for me not to share my reasoning.

[Jingle]

Did no one see what I wrote about Jake? Why do people only read what I put in spoilers when I am town

I read it. I'm not particularly worried about sorting Jake atm so much as I am about solving my paranoia about being wrong on S_S and MT and dealing with the peaches.

[Jingle]

@MWB: 4485

[Jingle]

Jingle, this should be sufficient to disprove your logic on why midwaybear is town, yes?

I still think there's some slight towncred there, as a person who is a FV and knows the rest of their team is FV's calling out a FV crumb as towny seems inherently unlikely to me. The thought "Oh, a fruit vendor crumb, that's probably town!" doesn't seem like a thought that would occur at all. In that particular instance, I would expect scum MWB to dismiss it as unindicative.

It's not the why behind the thought, it's that the thought occurred at all.

Of course, I could be wrong, which is the whole point behind explaining my reasoning on the read instead of just leaving MWB as a midling townread now that it's not dangerous to share.

[Jingle]

I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

I would prefer that people not claim what flavors they received at this time, as that allows the scum team to know flavors that potentially exist but haven't been claimed yet.

[Jingle]

Midway, what is your peach flavor?

Still waiting on murder, cakez, jake and maria as well.

[Jingle]

I know. I dug up all of the relevant claim information I could find and put it into a notepad document. I'm intentionally leaving those claims buried so that scum will have to dig through 180 pages to check and see if a contrary claim came up. There is the chance I missed some, but in either case leaving that information buried makes fakeclaiming harder.

[Jingle]

Oh I think I have extra evidence one of Morning and S_S is scum.

That evidence is specifically corroborating the case against Morning.

There are reasons scum might want to fakeclaim that I won't go into because if they haven't occurred to the scumteam then all the better for us.

[Jingle]

I feel like there's an agenda behind the stuff he's poking/prodding about and I'm not really seeing enough positive results from the stuff he's getting from the stuff he wants claimed. It could just be early on in his mechanical solve but I just feel icky about the amount of stuff he's asked claimed when it can really easily be used by scum to PR hunt which is what a deepwolf Jingle is going to be most worried about here.

The paranoia is cute, but no.

The point I jumped on to the SB wagon and the PB interactions should be enough to town lean me at this point. I most certainly have an agenda behind my posting and am not hiding it. It's also a blatantly obvious agenda of boxing people into committed claims to ensure the game remains solvable. And characterizing my scum game as overly concerned about PR hunting is pretty laughable, especially when I wouldn't actually need to put any effort into doing so in this game.

Just trust PB on me for the moment.

[Jingle]

hm. I vaguely remember that. hm. mmmm.
I'll have to take a look at that to see if it stalled or was a purposefully created cw to kanna

It was a MURDERCASE reaction to PB saying he was going to get kanna limmed, but started prior to the actual Kanna case dropped.

The salient takeaway, of course, being that Murder/Cakez is not S/S.

[Jingle]

But I want the game to be aware that stuff like Detective Penguin are a thing and PB's reads clearly haven't been perfect this game.

Fair. Although, I would argue that that game and games like it would mean that I am explicitly not the designated deepwolf if I draw scum here and would 100% be angling to put someone else in the seat to endgame.

Funnily, I think my highest partner equities are you, SS and Noraa.

I'm not particularly worried about making it to endgame though in this particular gamestate.

[Jingle]

There is a mechanic based around having a bunch of peaches. I am now making a pie. Please stand by for results.

[Jingle]

I got 2 peaches btw, and it seems that barring any strangeness we're going to want to spread our peaches among our townreads.

[Jingle]

I mean...

Removing the ambiguity with watcher guilties seemed like a pretty obvious choice to me.

[Jingle]

i'm off to sleep but i hope giving peaches to scum isn't too big of a problem as i might just have done that lo'

I'll let you know when UT gets back to me about this pie business.

[Jingle]

anyone get an angelus peach last night?

Yo. It be going in the pie as we speak.

[Jingle]

Can someone who isn't obvtown have a guilty for once?

[Jingle]

Does it really matter at this point?

Not in the slightest. But it'd be nice.

[Jingle]

I can see two schools of thought there.

It could out a PR, but then again we have two outed PRs right now anyway.

It could lock fakeclaims for scum, but then again that means we massclaim today.

I still want to wait to find out what pie does.

[Jingle]

Assuming Pooky scum, I'm gonna say that Flaming Fury vendor is probably town based on I doubt both scum vended to me.

[Jingle]

I don't really think anything that could affect my result like that could be non-bastard.

Nothing that doesn't also defy the odds grotesquely AFAIK.

Bus driver of Pooky and the scum making the kill who both happened to also target me with peaches could do it, but like...

I'm sure there are similarly convoluted paths.

Please no flash wagon, I want to have pie.

[Jingle]

I don't think bus driver works because then you wouldn't have gotten the peach.

You wouldn't have targeted Pooky in that case, you would have targeted mysterious other peach giver.

It's like 1/15^3 that that happened even if we assume there's a BD though, so...

Also the pie says I can make it anytime, so I'm assuming that means it's an action I can take during the day. I just pick three different peaches and bake them into a pie.

[Jingle]

pooky is scum. lets flash wagon this. we don't need a long day. caught scum here. end day we done.
Cheet gonna die tonight and yeah that's it.

NORAA WHY YOU HATE PIE?

[Jingle]

Please no flash wagon, I want to have pie.

[Jingle]

He's crumbing masons.

[Jingle]

Noraa, I literally already submitted the action to UT. You can wait the literal 24 RL hours to wagon Pooky while I figure out the fuck this do.

[Jingle]

UT is the literal devil, btw. I am now craving pie, and have no method of procuring a pie at midnight.

[Jingle]

not really. kill all scum. win. profit.

Improper formatting. The step before profit is always ???

[Jingle]

I'd smash PB's cart. I win every game where he dies. It's simple math.

[Jingle]

It's okay, PB wins most of those games too.

[Jingle]

Look man. I don't have control over what the pie does. I don't know what's going to happen. What I do know, is that I'm making a pie using Sunhigh, Angelus, and Flaming Fury peaches, and that sounds awesome. And anyone who doesn't want to see what happens when I have that pie doesn't deserve to sell peaches in our community anyway.

[Jingle]

(It'd be hilarious if the pie kills me.)

[Jingle]

I hope it's a doc protect, tbh, although I'm guessing neighborize.

[Jingle]

I hope its a dayvig

If it's a dayvig I'll definitely share it with Pooky.

[Jingle]

I don't think I've ever had peach pie, before, tbh. Isn't peach more of a cobbler fruit?

[Jingle]

tbh can we just keep pooky in for the shitposting?

Excuse you. My shitposting is clearly the highest tier shitposting currently in the thread, and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Jingle]

jingle do some mech magic to show noraa im town thx

I'm gonna need a squirrel, a megaphone, a piece of string, and you and Noraa to pre-in to my next large theme game.

[Jingle]

tbh can we just keep pooky in for the shitposting?

Excuse you. My shitposting is clearly the highest tier shitposting currently in the thread, and there's nothing you can do about it.

nah sorry, pooks is superior on that one

[Jingle]

No, but UT generally mods at night

[Jingle]

:looks at pms:

0 new messages.

Don’t know what to tell you, buddy.

[Jingle]

You have my permission to attempt scum hunting.

[Jingle]

who gets the bullet tho

Is this one of those old timey firing squad things where you only load one gun and don't tell the people there who has the loaded one so that no one knows who actually killed the accused?

[Jingle]

This is kinda sad Pooky

Nah, this is kinda sad pooky:

[Jingle]

Ok jingle where's the pie?

I poked UT on discord, but I don't know what you expect me to do past that.

[Jingle]

we're hungry goat daddy

Those are sheeps. Check my special team mafia signature, sir.

[Jingle]

Hm. Ability received. I'm not entirely sure whether it's actually useful.

I can steal someone's peach at any time. If multiple people try to steal a peach it gets duped.

[Jingle]

excuse me what the fuck

I'm not the weird beard dude who apparently can't tell the difference between a sheep and a goat.

[Jingle]

teal dear of claims, murder:

I received Pooky's claimed peach.
Pooky corroborated that he sent me said peach.
Cheet said he saw Pooky visit Jake.
Pooky claims that he did not visit Jake.
I turned three peaches into a pie and that pie gave me a one shot ability to steal a peach from someone as an anytime action, which I suppose we can confirm to be true if we want to.

[Jingle]

Well, I did visit Jake too. Did you see anyone else?

That's wholly irrelevant. Pooky claimed to have not visited Jake.

[Jingle]

I mean, it was definitely a reaction test. Slowrolling tracker-into-watcher claim made it so that 1v1ing me instead of you wasn't an option, and paranoia probably would have had pooky win the 1v1 with me.

[Jingle]

Oh, I don't doubt that you have the guilty here. It seems pretty blatant to me that pooky is caught scum.

Even without the whole "why the fuck do you commit to a guilty here as scum who is down two buddies?" angle the particular gambit you were running is incredibly towny.

[Jingle]

Jingle - Empress

Mechanically implied town:
Cheetory6 - Belle of Georgia
Something_Smart - Rio Grande

midwaybear -

noraa - Springprince
SirCakez - Galaxy Donut
MURDERCAT - Redglobe
Gypyx - Crestheaven
Zaiden - Hearken
Gamma Emerald - Honey Babe

MariaR

PookyTheMagicalBear - Angelus
Mechanically implied scum

Either Maria or Jake gave me the flaming fury peach yesterday. I don't see a reason why we shouldn't duplicate the PB plan of action and give Cheet all of our peaches, given Morning is dead and the pie seems mostly useless.

[Jingle]

I don't see a reason why we shouldn't duplicate the PB plan of action and give Cheet all of our peaches, given Morning is dead and the pie seems mostly useless.

[Jingle]

We should have a protection, so there's a decent chance you live through the night, Cheet.

[Jingle]

If there's no town protective then SB wouldn't have the role she flipped with. My guess is scum had multiple strongmen, which further increases your odds of living.

Or maybe I'm lying about pies being useless and I'm crumbing a protection on you. Who knows?

[Jingle]

lol i actually didn't give PB a peach N2

Who did you give a peach to? Why? Why was that never brought up by you or them?

[Jingle]

Both scum are unlikely to have targeted the nightkill together. Begs for a tracker softguilty. Midway is + town based solely on setup for that.

SS and gamma have both softed roles, and SS was in the same boat as midway with the SPF kill.

[Jingle]

we definitely have protective because sb flipped strongman
the question is why then did PB die n2? prot should have been on him

WIFOMing the scumteam would assume PB was protected or there's a second 1 shot SMan on the scumteam and multiple town protections are the most reasonable options, imo.

A less reasonable option is that the town protectives are gated behind inventory mechanics.

[Jingle]

Don’t want: Jingle

[Jingle]

I gave unto Cheetory the peach, and have received no peach PM. I am unsure if that means I didn't receive any peaches or if the PM is still incoming, as I have received a peach on every prior day.

I'm instigating this in the vague hopes that we have a third 2 shot watcher with a guilty. That would be hilarious.

I'm going to leave the massclaim/no massclaim as the sole discretion of SS as SS is almost certainly town right now, in my eyes.

[Jingle]

Spoiler: Interesting Vote Counts with Colored Flips

Votecount 1.2

Cheetory6

- 1 (

Spring Breeze

)

clidd

Gamma Emerald - 1 (

staypositivefriend

)
Gypyx - 1 (Jingle)

Jake the Wolfie

- 1 (Gamma Emerald)
Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear - 2 (noraa, Gypyx)
noraa - 1 (

PrivateI

)

Pink Ball

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

- 1 (MURDERSUNNY)
SirCakez
Something_Smart

Spring Breeze

- 4 (SirCakez, midwaybear, Zaiden,

Cheetory6

)

staypositivefriend

- 2 (

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Jake)
Zaiden - 1 (MariaR)

Not Voting - 3 (

clidd

,

Pink Ball

, Something_Smart)

Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

If I make a mistake in the Votecount, please PM me or message me on Discord to let me know. Do not clutter the thread with posts about it.

Votecount 1.5

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald - 1 (Jake)
Gypyx

Jake the Wolfie

- 2 (Zaiden, midwaybear)
Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear - 1 (noraa)

Morning Tweet

noraa - 4 (

PrivateI

, Jingle, MURDERSUNNY,

Pink Ball

)

Pink Ball

PookyTheMagicalBear

- 1 (

staypositivefriend

)

PrivateI

SirCakez
Something_Smart

Spring Breeze

- 1 (SirCakez)

staypositivefriend

- 1 (

PookyTheMagicalBear

)
Zaiden - 5 (MariaR,

Cheetory6

,

Spring Breeze

, Gypyx, Gamma Emerald)

Not Voting - 2 (

Morning Tweet

, Something_Smart)

Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

If I make a mistake in the Votecount, please PM me or message me on Discord to let me know. Do not clutter the thread with posts about it.

Morning Tweet

replaces clidd

Votecount 1.7

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald - 1 (Jake)
Gypyx - 3 (

staypositivefriend

, SirCakez, Zaiden)

Jake the Wolfie

- 1 (midwaybear)
Jingle - 2 (noraa, MariaR)
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

noraa - 3 (

PrivateI

, MURDERSUNNY,

Pink Ball

)

Pink Ball

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

SirCakez - 1 (

PookyTheMagicalBear

)
Something_Smart

Spring Breeze

staypositivefriend

Zaiden - 5 (

Cheetory6

, Jingle,

Spring Breeze

, Gypyx, Gamma Emerald)

Not Voting - 2 (

Morning Tweet

, Something_Smart)

Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

If I make a mistake in the Votecount, please PM me or message me on Discord to let me know. Do not clutter the thread with posts about it.

SUPER DUPER OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT 1.11 SPONSORED BY MURDERSUNNY

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald - 2 (Jake, midwaybear)
Gypyx

Jake the Wolfie

- 1 (Jingle)
Jingle - 1 (noraa)
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

noraa - 1 (

PrivateI

)

Pink Ball

- 1 (

Spring Breeze

)

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

SirCakez - 2 (

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Gypyx)
Something_Smart

Spring Breeze

- 7 (

Pink Ball

,

staypositivefriend

, Something_Smart, SirCakez, Zaiden, MURDERSUNNY, Gamma Emerald)

staypositivefriend

Zaiden - 1 (MariaR)

Not Voting - 2 (

Cheetory6

,

Morning Tweet

)

Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

Votecount 1.13

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald - 1 (Jake)
Gypyx

Jake the Wolfie

Jingle - 1 (noraa)
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

noraa - 1 (

PrivateI

)

Pink Ball

- 1 (

Spring Breeze

)

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

SirCakez - 2 (

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Gypyx)
Something_Smart

Spring Breeze

- 10 (

Pink Ball

,

staypositivefriend

, Something_Smart, SirCakez, Zaiden, Gamma Emerald,

Cheetory6

, midwaybear, Jingle, MariaR)

staypositivefriend

Zaiden

Not Voting - 2 (

Morning Tweet

, MURDERSUNNY)

Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

Votecount 2.2

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald - 1 (MURDERSUNNY)
Gypyx - 2 (Noraa, Gamma)

Jake the Wolfie

- 1 (Jingle)
Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR - 2 (midwaybear, Zaiden)
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

noraa

Pink Ball

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

- 4 (

Cheetory6

,

Pink Ball

, SirCakez, Gypyx)
SirCakez
Something_Smart - 1 (MariaR)
Zaiden

Not Voting - 5 (Jake,

Morning Tweet

,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

PrivateI

, Something_Smart)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to ask someone politely to leave. Deadline is February 11th at 10PM EST.

Votecount 2.3

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx - 2 (Noraa, Gamma)

Jake the Wolfie

- 1 (Jingle)
Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR - 2 (midwaybear, Zaiden)
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

noraa

Pink Ball

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

- 6 (

Cheetory6

,

Pink Ball

, SirCakez, Gypyx, MURDERSUNNY,

PookyTheMagicalBear

)
SirCakez
Something_Smart - 1 (MariaR)
Zaiden

Not Voting - 4 (Jake,

Morning Tweet

,

PrivateI

, Something_Smart)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to ask someone politely to leave. Deadline is February 11th at 10PM EST.

Final Day 2 Votecount

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx - 1 (Noraa)

Jake the Wolfie

Jingle
MariaR - 1 (Zaiden)
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

MURDERSUNNY - 1 (Something_Smart)
noraa

Pink Ball

- 1 (Jingle)

PookyTheMagicalBear

PrivateI

- 9 (

Cheetory6

, SirCakez,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Gamma, midwaybear,

Pink Ball

, MURDERSUNNY, Gypyx, MariaR)
SirCakez
Something_Smart
Zaiden

Not Voting - 3 (Jake,

Morning Tweet

,

PrivateI

)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to ask someone politely to leave. Deadline is February 11th at 10PM EST.

Votecount 3.1

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx

Jake the Wolfie

Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

- 5 (

Cheetory6

,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Something_Smart, Zaiden, SirCakez)
noraa

PookyTheMagicalBear

SirCakez
Something_Smart - 3 (midwaybear,

Morning Tweet

, MariaR)
Zaiden

Not Voting - 6 (Gamma, Gypyx, Jake, Jingle, MURDERSUNNY, noraa)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to ask someone somewhat more tersely than previously to leave. Deadline is February 18th at 10PM EST.

Votecount 3.3

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx

Jake the Wolfie

Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

- 6 (

Cheetory6

,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Something_Smart, Zaiden, SirCakez, Gypyx)
noraa

PookyTheMagicalBear

SirCakez
Something_Smart - 3 (midwaybear,

Morning Tweet

, MariaR)
Zaiden

Not Voting - 5 (Gamma, Jake, Jingle, MURDERSUNNY, noraa)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to ask someone somewhat more tersely than previously to leave. Deadline is February 18th at 10PM EST.

Final Day 3 Votecount

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx

Jake the Wolfie

Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear

Morning Tweet

- 8 (

Cheetory6

,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Something_Smart, Zaiden, SirCakez, Gypyx, MariaR,

Morning Tweet

)
noraa

PookyTheMagicalBear

SirCakez
Something_Smart - 1 (midwaybear)
Zaiden

Not Voting - 5 (Gamma, Jake, Jingle, MURDERSUNNY, noraa)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to ask someone somewhat more tersely than previously to leave. Deadline is February 18th at 10PM EST.

Final Day 4 Votecount

Cheetory6

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx
Jingle
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear
noraa

PookyTheMagicalBear

- 7 (

Cheetory6

, Gamma, SirCakez, MariaR, Noraa, midwaybear,

PookyTheMagicalBear

)

SirCakez
Something_Smart
Zaiden

Not Voting - 5 (Gypyx, Jingle, MURDERSUNNY, Something_Smart, Zaiden)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to ask someone politely to leave. Deadline is 2/25 at 8PM EST.

[Jingle]

I missed coloring a bunch of Jake votes because they were Jake and not Jake the Wolfie. I am not reposting to fix this.

[Jingle]

Noraa/Zaiden looks very TVT in 1.5-1.7

Day 3 makes me think mwb and Maria are town, as that ship was inevitably sinking.

S_S is probtown.

S_S and Gamma are softclaims.

[Jingle]

Yeah... Noraa's locktown from MT's defense of me from her, too. Noraa has a free pass to XLO.

MT has a wall talking about SB talking about Zaiden. That seems super awkward from three scum slots.

[Jingle]

Spoiler:

murder's case is pretty towny for murder, and my dear teammate infinity says he sees his soul with his cake questioning. i can't comment about cakez though because i don't know him well. based on this game alone, i'd still say he was towny.

i think pooky is town again due to soulmeld but no good reason

i decently liked s_s when he got involved earlier

for pink ball, i do think i was biased with yesterday. i felt like he was really selective with my posting to put me in the worst possible light. gut says it feels unfair, but brain thinks it could be genuine if i think about it from his shoes. i don't know what else to say here, i am biased

i skimmed the rest of the thread and i'm generally, i'm feeling this

{murder, noraa}
{

pooky

,

cheetory

}
{gypyx, zaiden, s_s, sircakez,

morning

}
{

pink ball

, mariar, midway,

spf

} --- null
{jingle,

private

,

jake

, gamma}

feel free to ask me to elaborate on any of these

SB wagon and players' reads on her

> Pink Ball drops his massive case. He has stated that he would get SB eliminated and this was clear for the majority of the day from what I can remember. He voted Spring originally in 610, keeps her as a scumread throughout, pressures her in 1216, and bam 1448 is where he states his intent to get SB killed. At the time judging from the previous page, Cake was receiving heat, Cheet just dropped a point about Jingle being possibly dissonant, there are wagons on Zaiden/Gypyx/Jingle at this time. Needless to say, i think it is accurate to say Pink Ball is the catalyst for the SB wagon during a time where many, many others would have been accepted. It is also probably worth noting that SB was a strongman which presumably is one of the stronger PRs

i will also mention that i think pink treating the game like he has to solve it asap before dying is towny

> SPF joins immediately ..

> Murder pressures Cakes but will catch up on other stuff another time ..

> S_S joins immediately

> Jingle wants to wait for PI's input

> Morning thinks there is way less time in the day than there actually is, im guessing as a result of Jingle mentioning "end of day" but idfk

> Gypyx doesnt get to it with his catchup, does agree to wallcase maria though and i think this combined with the case itself was towny

> Pooky doesnt mention it

> midway isn't opposed but is holding off for the moment

> Murder continues the cake crusade (also maria further down) but is interested in how SB will fit into his idea of the scumteam. He does point out SB's read post where she "soulread thinks he's town". this post gives me an idea

it's true i don't think i've been super on ball with the game so i combed back through and i think these takes are a lot truer to my heart. list isn't ordered.

(TOWN) - cheetory is a townread, even taking away the emotional reason which i don't think i should focus on anymore. he's generally invested, and i especially like how he said he was going to go v/la but couldn't help but come back to comment on things about the game.

(TOWN) - noraa i think is town. she's actually playing very similar to a game i hard scumread her in and she was town. this is also one of the reads infinity feels really good about so i am locking in


(SOUL TOWN) - sircakez has in general been pretty unafraid to give his opinions, and tonally reads as blunt town. maybe it's a soulread, i just think he's town

(SOUL TOWN) - pooky is my randsoultown. we played a game just before and he was a lot like this, and i'd think scum!pooky would be trying to control the gamestate/do something meaningful. he does know this, but i still feel he's town, i suppose. he just doesn't seem to care.

(TOWN LEAN) - morning tweet, i think is town for the confidence with the noraa read. i've played with scum!morning briefly and don't think she likes to make waves.

(TOWN LEAN) - gypx, i think is town. he's low effort solving, but still solving

(TOWNISH BUT HESISTANT) - spf; my teammate infinity says he mindmelds with her a lot, and i agree she's had good takes, but i don't think she's towntold enough for a townread. this maria post (1209) still pings me; i still think is too logic leapy, and she expresses a townread on mariar for it which i think is unwarranted. i don't *think* i'm misunderstanding the point, or at least am too far off

(TOWNISH BUT HESISTANT) - zaiden; i liked his attempts to scumhunt with the conversations with his team members. i looked back and think i am probably putting too much stock into that emotional read so i am flipping here again. tonally town because i find him funny, but bias aside, he's probably a light townlean/null.


(NULL) - maria, on reflection, i can see being similar to pooky so i'm not that suspicious of her being put to the side as town for a lot of players. personally, i have no idea and i don't think my opinion matters on this

(NULL) - jake is lhf, but should absolutely not be townread by any stretch of the imagination

(NULL) - pink ball, i'm pretty self conscious that i'm an attractive push for scum, but i don't think i can in good faith call that a scum push. otherwise content is a lot of asking questions and short comments which is pretty null.

(???) - murdersunny; i have seen murdercat in other games though and he generally has a lot to say. the fact he's popped in a few times and said he's had nothing to say/nothing is happening feels strange because i almost feel like he wouldn't be able to contain his opinions as town if he's town. the change in playstyle is leantown, but it also lets him get away with not offering opinions. i'm fully open to looking at his case though


(NULLSCUM) - s_s, i am nullscumleaning for popping in at apparently the right moments to make jokes, but doesn't offer anything.


(SCUM WITH REASONING) - jingle, i still don't like his original noraa push. the points are nitpicky and generally reachy to come to the conclusion that noraa is scum. i do like (agree) with his reasoning behind the PR point noraa brought up though. 1477 i feel is still weak suppliment for a "very confident scumread" on noraa. the first question cheetory asked about noraa was a "this is more likely read," and the second one was just an inconsistency. i don't think he answered my question about the BoP.

(No Mention, but notices she missed) - Gamma

(No Mention, but notices she missed) -

PrivateII

(No Mention) - midwaybear

my team hasn't been around for this game, although infinity did say he was confident in noraa town, and he mindmelds with spf a while ago, and ydrasse said noraa was prob!town, which was also while ago

I think this pretty heavily implies Noraa being town, she even mentions Noraa twice with her teammates' reads. i already think Noraa is town anyway but thats nice

Cheetory

I think is more likely town than not from this as well.

Cakes and

Pooky

reads are more constrained for being more gut/soul feely, im unsure where to place them in the hierarchy as a result. They come off as less genuine because of it, not necessarily scummy but more forced

Gypyx i already think is more likely town but i do notice that he had around 3 votes at the time so he was certainly on the table for some, i lean that Kanna doesnt put him upwards for nothing reasoning if they're scum mates

Kanna hedges the fuck outta

SPF

and Zaiden. Just focusing on Zaiden, i recall SB initially scumreading there but then you end up with this sort of messy read right after the bit where Zaiden got emotional and the heat got let off. Pink kinda already commented on this but it did read like Zaiden was the intended elimination but then he obvtowned so SB kinda didnt know what to do w herself. I dont really see why she doesnt either brush off that emotion reasoning (as some have done) or commit to it, this is maybe cause not everyone agreed Zaiden is town from it I suppose so she wanted to leave it open. I think that's the idea

Nulls are whatever, what is more interesting is her fake scumread on Pink Ball later in the day calling him bad faith. I guess you could say that she would do that for distancing but i thought it read genuine

i think the murder read is just kind of quirky cause i dont believe murder was ever considered as an elimination but she hedges on him being maybe scummy here without really saying a lot

i dont have an opinion on the S_S read, it's in its own category for her in slight scum, could see low risk distance or just S_S being town she felt like attacking

Jingle i think comes off good as he is virtually the only player she seems to feel strongly is scum for the 2nd half of the day. She expended the most effort trying to shade there and this was at a time long before she would know she would die

She forgets Gamma and

Private

which i would lean slightly you dont do to a partner ?? but she is aware that she missed them about 45 minutes later for whatever reason so unsure. Also she missed midway but doesnt even realize

I think my townreads overlap decently with this, I think Noraa/Cheet are strongest, Gypyx i lean and it leads me to believe Zaiden and Jingle are town as well. i dont think Kanna would have planned a distance as far back as Zaiden, and likely not Jingle as well, why would she even think she's going to die on this day? Pink Ball and Murder arent really interesting in this list but i think they are town too.

uh continuing on with what i was doing, Cakes is thinking about S_S and Gypyx at this time while arguing with murder abt the definition of scumhunting

>Cakes agrees emphatically with the case and joins, thinks PB is very likely town for it as well. Murder inquires as to what made Cakes nulltown at first then switch with the case. Cakes notes that the "point of inflection", so the part where Kanna turns her gameplay on as soon as she learns of Pink ball's suspicion is a very good point.

>Murder does the thing where he possibly overleans into pre-flips around here as a result of wanting to score as many points for finding the team as possible, i think this is more likely a thought he thinks to have as town rather than one he'd think to fake, like I think that's something you might not think about as scum

>Pooky around this time hasn't really done anything other than revel at others' desire to win the game, i guess. Now PB asks Pooky directly to respond to his case. he gives a lengthy soul type read explanation where is he certain she is not pocketing him and by extension town. I have questions to ask pooky surrounding the nature of this read but i am sure those will be asked if they havent already

>PrivateI thought there was scum in PB/SB, with the recent case he is inclined to swap to SB probably, mentions he would likely generally buy his case. Eh eh eh

>Pooky is 100% sure Kanna is town cause she wouldnt emotionally manipulate him. I asked about where he's being emotionally manipulated which was probably the wrong question, cause he followed up by saying he isnt, Kanna is being genuine

>Zaiden joins SB with ease

>I kid you not, Gypyx doesn't know who SB is. when the abbreviation is clarified, he says he has no read on them, maybe a slight scumlean. i am inclined to think Gypyx gives an opinion on her if they are scum mates

Pedit: So I'm tired, from Murder's post, the rest of the votes go Gamma -> Cheet -> midway -> Jingle -> MariaR

Somewhere around there, i think the elimination was inevitable so the votes and reads are less important. Maybe there is a point to make about how easy the wagon went thru, sure, scum did not attempt to fight it really. in my opinion if they had it would have been unnecessary troubles for them in the future since i think the Kanna wagon was being sent at that point. I would be wary about assuming scum joins because at least in my case voting isn't even AI, if i were scum i am just as likely to bother adding my vote as i am not. Competing wagons would make that kind of thing more interesting. i also say this because i think Cheet is town strongly and im thinking that way for mid and Jingle already


Noraa /

Pinkball

Cheetory

/ Zaiden
midway / Jingle / Murdercatto
Gypyx
-
I think out of the rest, Gamma and PrivateI come off slightly better for Kanna forgetting they exist maybe, i generally need more before deciding on who is scum in the bottom half though, im never good at that. I feel pretty good about what i have so far, maybe i fucked up once but only in the bottom tiers[/quote][/spoiler]

Looking at this I don't want Cakez lim today.

[Jingle]

fuck. I meant to kill the nested spoiler and only got half of it.

[Jingle]

Jingle
Something_Smart, noraa, Zaiden
SirCakez, midwaybear
Gamma Emerald, MariaR
Gypyx, MURDERCAT

I end up roughly here, with Gypyx and Murdercat as my desired limpool for today.

[Jingle]

I think gamma's play is overall decently town, but not locktown.

The lack of awareness of the plan to vend to cheet, the softclaim, and the forgetting pooky flipped scum all seem town at a glance. We just have a really high bar for towntelling this game.

I'd be surprised if Murder/Gyp didn't end the game.

[Jingle]

Noraa / Pinkball
Cheetory/ Zaiden
midway / Jingle / Murdercatto
Gypyx

I'd also be surprised if MT didn't put a single scum name in this list, but I'd like to point out that I was totally right that it was a pretty good starting point for a townblock.

[Jingle]

I lean cat, not because of Cheetory, but because Gamma softed an investigation on Gypyx and I don't want to clear that up if we're not massclaiming today.

If it weren't for that, I'd say we should vote gypyx out first out of spite for cheet. It's not fair that he got to die first.

[Jingle]

I have a mech thing. I'm not sure if I should out it and am asking my team, but I don't want day to end before I do.

[Jingle]

First of all, Dann offered to case MurderSunny and I told him not to bother.

Second of all: If you have a PR, target your peach target tonight.

That way if we have a tracker/roleblocker style inno, we can retrieve the info from beyond the grave if a PR flips unexpectedly. Presumably Noraa will also be given the ability to check an inventory and steal peaches with her pie, so scum will not be able to fakeclaim peach receipt.

This also forces scum to choose what type of fakeclaim they make with no further setup knowledge, because a doctor will never target a scumread and a tracker will never target a townread, for example.

Not to mention, if we do have a tracker for some reason this will make scum's potential power less dangerous, as they will be forced to target a single player and any dual targets will be a scumclaim.

[Jingle]

jeez so rude, any reason why i should've died before cheet? lol

I should've died before Cheet. That asshole is free and he left me behind to carry the burden.

[Jingle]

You don't seem to understand, Gypyx. Mafia is a race to the deadthread where the real party happens.

[Jingle]

race to see who dies first?

[Jingle]

VLA until further info. Lost power due to transformers in Texas sucking.

I trust S_S to keep you on the straight and narrow mechanics wise.

Make sure fruit identities are claimed, make sure noraa’s pie steals, make sure you actually discuss.

VOTE: Murdercat

Hopefully I’ll be back in the next day or two.

[Jingle]

I have power back for the moment, although I am advised that the power company is still operating on shortages and so that might change.

Maria's argument for Maria town is salient, although there are some issues with it. First of all, the thing Noraa brought up is a concern. Second of all, I would classify Pooky as one of those players who is capable of giving direction to a scumteam as well. Finally, none of the scum lims really had agency to fight against. SB was dead the minute she softed PR (and while I think any good scum player would have told her not to AND that the nature of PB's slowroll of the case means that any scumteam that had experience crafting fakeclaims would have done so, that's a weak argument at best. Also, more than a little self serving). MT was dead the moment PB got the watch guilty. Pooks was dead the moment Cheetory got the watch guilty. The only time scum really had a chance to work together as it were was D1.

So yes. I am townreading Maria, largely because of the fact that there hasn't seemed to be any cohesion in the scum ranks besides the mutual defense of Kanna and The Bear, (which should be a hydra name,) but there are stronger reasons to townread everyone else imo.

Fuck, on play alone I'd probably townread MC still, despite the fact that he's gone AFK the last few days.

[Jingle]

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Active Abilities:
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You win when your team has a majority or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Soft confirmation of 4 scum.

[Jingle]

There are 4 more elims and potentially more via prs. Murdercat, check gypyxs inventory with pie, jic you are town.

[Jingle]

Eh, there’s a decent chance we’re in auto win given two soft claims and no explanation for the inclusion of a sman in the setup so far, but that’s no reason to play sloppy.

MC is probably just demoralized scum who knows he doesn’t have a path to victory, but we play until his elim as if the game continues when he dies.

[Jingle]

First of all, Dann offered to case MurderSunny and I told him not to bother.

Second of all: If you have a PR, target your peach target tonight.

That way if we have a tracker/roleblocker style inno, we can retrieve the info from beyond the grave if a PR flips unexpectedly. Presumably Noraa will also be given the ability to check an inventory and steal peaches with her pie, so scum will not be able to fakeclaim peach receipt.

This also forces scum to choose what type of fakeclaim they make with no further setup knowledge, because a doctor will never target a scumread and a tracker will never target a townread, for example.

Not to mention, if we do have a tracker for some reason this will make scum's potential power less dangerous, as they will be forced to target a single player and any dual targets will be a scumclaim.

Reposting for visibility.

[Jingle]

Gypyx appears to be the consensus for tomorrow and just claimed his inventory. I have a slight tinfoil that is very unlikely that scum might have additional inventory items.

The pie mechanic is most likely to be there to catch MT’s role in a lie, but verifying it works as advertised let’s us use it to confirm roleblocker clears without a roleblocker having to claim before death, so there’s no reason for town you NOT to confirm it works as advertised before flipping.

[Jingle]

Please don't let Maria live to endgame.

VOTE: MURDERSUNNY

Hammer me Gypyx.

Does scum do this as the last scum left??

ATE? Why not? He knew he wasn’t E1 and he’s pretty obviously going today unless something drastic changes.

[Jingle]

I thought gypyx had already claimed inventory but I was wrong. I also thought he’d claimed more than one peach. Whoops.

[Jingle]

I am a CFV who gives Redglobe peaches after mod correction.

I had:
Angelus peach
Galaxy Donut peach
Pix Zee peach

Now I have a pie.

@Noraa.

He claimed to have had those three and baked them into a pie. he now has a springbreeze he stole from Gypyx and no others, unless I missed something.

[Jingle]

@Jingle, think you said Maria doesn't feel like scum because she'd play more coordinated Day 1 with Pooky.

Not quite. Maria said mariascum would be more likely to have developed strong intra team interactions and thread control from the get go. This is something I’d agree with to varying extents from all of {Maria/pooky/SS/myself} in this list. I could be missing names, but I think that’s everyone with that particular scum style. The fact that the scum team didn’t have much influence for the beginning of the game gives minor town points to all of those people, but as evidenced by the poorly flip it’s not a locktowning argument by any means.

I did note that Maria used the logic to clear me slightly before bringing it up in her own defense, but that’s an NAI pocket attempt, she'd try to pocket me there as town to. Also, I think she knows that I’m not particularly susceptible to being pocketed by townreading me.

My slight preference to cat over gypyx is gone fwiw, although I am still more than happy with a cat flip.

[Jingle]

The only things I found compelling about murders ‘case’ on you were the awkward interactions scum had towards you, tbh, and I don’t see any way for you to debunk “it was weird that scum had a detailed read on a bunch of players but called gypyx town with functionally no reasoning.”

If you’re town here, you should focus on two things: litigation of your strong reads and pointing out things that make you strongly town. If there’s something that isn’t being considered that strongly makes you town, that’s worth bringing up. But honestly, a better use of your time would be trying to explain the things you feel strongly about that will matter if we do flip you.

Do you have a strong scumread on Noraa? Why? What discounts the mountain of circumstantial evidences pointing to Noraa town? Where do you get the pings that Noraa is a deep wolf looking to endgame?

Do you townread Maria? Why? Is there some interaction where scum just treated her in a way that would be unnatural for a buddy? Some push she made that we’re not considering?

Honestly, the latter is more useful than the former, because by their nature at this point, all towncases have to be either genuine or correct (or both).

[Jingle]

-Hard push cake and back off to push my scum buddy instead
-TR Pooky for protecting Kanna
-Claim MT is scum instead of Monty

FWIW:

1. I don't think a hard-push on cakez to a largely reactionary stance shift in the face of PB's case is particularly town indicative, and is in fact the sole reason you're so low in my PoE, other than sheeping the reads of the dead.
2. I don't see why agreeing with the majority there is particularly towny.
3. I actually would like to hear more about this. Where would you say you tried to shift the Monty-lim onto Tweets? I don't remember that, but if it did happen that is 100% the kind of thing that would make me reconsider my vote.

I think that the best argument for Murdertown is that early D1 he played a really strong town game. That fell apart when we got to the gated dayplay portion of the game, as Cheet put it, but that's completely understandable to me.



This game has been mired in a shithole of inactivity and low inertia plays, and to an extent I blame our success at PRs. I think both PB and Cheet played their roles incredibly well at night, and kinda shittily during the day. We haven't had a chance for people to make waves or push their own choices since early on D1, which produced an environment where scum pretty much didn't need to do anything to blend in. I fully believe we would have lost this game to Pooky if Cheet hadn't caught him mechanically, because town is so fucking demoralized. If the game ended right now and I had to award tiebreaks (assuming murder scum), my list would be PB>Cheet>Noraa>Cakez>Zaiden, and I know the primary pushes from Noraa and Cakez are wrong because they're on me. Murder would 100% be somewhere near the top as town, and tbh I'd probably put spf at the very top of the list because they didn't contribute at all to the dangerous position we're in.

This game has functionally changed. We're not looking at interactions anymore, but rather survivalism. Town no longer has to care about looking town themselves, they have to figure out the people who are trying to outlast the game. And the traditional skill of "Being town" is completely useless here, because the sole motivation of scum as of Pooky's flip is "Being town". Cheet acknowledged that he left us in a shitty position, and we (including me) have done nothing so far today to remedy it.

I put forward my list, and my reasoning, and I'm fairly certain I'm not so godlike that literally no one disagrees with it, but I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ARGUMENTS THAT GO AGAINST IT, WHEN THOSE ARE LITERALLY THE BEST THING FOR THE THREAD RIGHT NOW.

Noraa and Cakez both put out paranoia feelers of "Maybe Jinglescum" and no one bit. I see two arguments for me to be town (and frankly, while they're valid or I'd be screaming for a maria/murder lim here instead of just passively supporting it, they're not locktowning by any means, even without the paranoia normally attributed to my scumgame by anyone who has been told anything about me, which I assume is everyone in this thread by now).

[Jingle]

Maybe I should write a MD article about why keeping a guilty in your pants until there's actually a wagon for the day is a good idea after this game is over.

[Jingle]

I think gamma's play is overall decently town, but not locktown.

The lack of awareness of the plan to vend to cheet, the softclaim, and the forgetting pooky flipped scum all seem town at a glance. We just have a really high bar for towntelling this game.

I'd be surprised if Murder/Gyp didn't end the game.

These are my town reasons for gamma. I’d be happy to hear another view mwb

[Jingle]

Okay, I've been living under a rock and only just caught onto the situation in Texas. Stay safe, Jingle. Hope you, your friend and your family over there make it through no problem.

Where I’m at in Texas and due to my old hobby of winter survival camping I’m in absolutely no danger and never was, just fairly inconvenienced. Thanks for the thoughts though.

[Jingle]

Why would it be TMI?

[Jingle]

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Soft confirmation of 4 scum.

Given that, I'm pretty sure it's not TMI.

[Jingle]

I'm fine with ending the day whenever atp. I have been for quite some time.

Notice that for once I'm actually voting the leading wagon early.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to engage when people bring things up though.

[Jingle]

SS was watched by Cheet? Which night was this? Hmm I do remember Pooky pushing SS/MT though. That's a good point.
My townread on Jingle mostly comes from 1251 because I have never seen scum vote their buddy without giving any reasons.

SS visited the NK the same night as MT and PI, and Pooky tried to argue that both MT and SS were scum. It is unlikely that SS scum would target the NK choice without being the one to kill them, especially in a setup that very clearly set up for tracker style roles.


I had a thought that I don't have the willpower to explore but would like people to weigh in on: Why was Pooky the one to make the nightkill?