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can you go over why you think this?In post 1124, wavemode wrote:there's really no rational reason not to lynch uglyduck today
but i could potentially go aa9 or seal-
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I think not using the hoods at all is a good strategy if you can't stop yourself from being pocketed by wolves in it.In post 41, Mathdino wrote:you know i don't think 2:11 vanilla has ever been won by town on MS
on the other hand, neighbours are clearly higher EV for scum than for town
idk what to make of any of this
i don't think "not using the hoods at all" is the answer
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can't believe we lynched the guy that said thisIn post 31, Invisibility wrote:post 0 in your neighbor topic says that it closes when one of the neighbors dies
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I really wanna sheep this. I think mutant's start was pretty wolfy.In post 54, Mathdino wrote:k so you're gonna be condescending/sarcastic about everything, got it
come back when you have sincere lines of questioning
mutant is currently the best wagon, scum-mutant scumtells early and buries you with walls as the day goes on-
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" ehh, fuck it"? what is this in reaction to?
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when did wavemode scumclaim?In post 82, BuJaber wrote:Math and wavemode are neighbors yeah? That seems to be the subtext.
Anyway a scum claim is a great reason to vote someone for. VOTE: wavemode
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that's not true about the threadstate. there have been many alignment indicative discussions and very little actual RVS other than the first page. I find the stefan's townread a little out of the blue. nothing he did pinged me either way, especially in comparison to math/mutant/wave. I wish seal could expand on his stefan read so I can see where he is coming from with it.In post 107, UnrealSeal wrote:hard to read currently, most peoples post currently is RVS silliness and i'm bad at reading in general. call me again when I can deathtunnel someone
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I like this from sajj a lot.In post 109, Scioness Sajj wrote:
i sring everything you postIn post 107, UnrealSeal wrote:hard to read currently, most peoples post currently is RVS silliness and i'm bad at reading in general. call me again when I can deathtunnel someone
I like StefanB's posting though, I think he's town.
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I'm town thoughIn post 1171, Almost50 wrote:@ِAwoo: You wanna help me lynch scum? Pick one of Lavos or Toranaga. UD is 99% Town (Second only to BuJaber and even stronger than mutant, all of which I have down as "Town-all-Town" now)
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LOL no it's not, I'm arcangel... I'm L-1 with your voteIn post 1182, mutantdevle wrote:Ehh, it's fine. I think the 3 votes on this page are the only votes for them.
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how is it scummy? is it scummy of mutantdevle to not realise he put me at L-1 as well? because he openly stated he thought there were only 3 votes on me.In post 1190, BuJaber wrote:Why?
MFW when strong townreads force me to reconsider.
You either didn't realize that you put Tora at L-2 when you voted which is scummy... or you're changing your mind that quickly based on things tora would be saying regardless of alignment.-
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I have the feeling they weren't making the connection between me and the slot I replaced in, regardless of their alignment.In post 1194, BuJaber wrote:Yes but the difderence is mutant obviously checked straight after (albeit still wrong) and still decided to keep his vote. Sajj is abandoning the wagon after someone else just joined it.. why?
But ftr a townie can do scummy things too. Had a game where someone's entire case on someone was based on their definitions of words like scummy.
Pedit - above is @tora-
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why is it scummy?In post 1207, Almost50 wrote:I've explained it before, but here's the tl;dr: It was wcg who jumped off the AA9 wagon and not vice versa. The move opff the wagon is scummy by itself. It could either be off a p or a townie, so Tor (AA9) is a less confident SR than Lavos (wcg) is for me.-
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that unvote was wcg voting someone else because they hated their content and has absolutely nothing to do with anything you said would be scummy about an unvote. I know your associative read is wrong so it's hard for me to take the casing seriously regardless, but this is just randomly calling two people scum together with no evidence or reasoning behind it.In post 1209, Almost50 wrote:
1168! I mean, I haven't been here for long. All my posts are within the previous 2 pages.In post 1208, Toranaga wrote:
why is it scummy?In post 1207, Almost50 wrote:I've explained it before, but here's the tl;dr: It was wcg who jumped off the AA9 wagon and not vice versa. The move opff the wagon is scummy by itself. It could either be off a p or a townie, so Tor (AA9) is a less confident SR than Lavos (wcg) is for me.-
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are you literally sheeping A50's case when you say this? no better wolf suspects? you've been playing the game since it started, why are you sheeping an associative read from a player that just subbed in?In post 1182, mutantdevle wrote:Ehh, it's fine. I think the 3 votes on this page are the only votes for them.
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I have wolfread you from the moment I started reading the game if you're paying any attention to my posting.In post 1214, mutantdevle wrote:Lol your last 2 posts make it look like you've suddenlydecidedto scum read me.
Also, I'm voting on that wagon because it's popular. But that 2nd line was noting how, out of Almost50's 2 scum reads, I'd prefer Lavos. Since, y'know, Almost50's reads were relevant at the time since he just subbed in.
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can you show me the towny posts mutant made?In post 1234, Scioness Sajj wrote:I have read like 15 pages and
Mutant town
BuJaber town
Lavos probably town but it feels weird because we didn't really talk idk
The rest is meh or forgotten
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nothing mutant wrote there is townyIn post 1241, Scioness Sajj wrote:unless it's mutant/duck i don't think he would suggest this-
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it's an awful associative read with me and the case on lavos is entirely empty. his reasoning for scumreading lavos doesn't fit what whatever player he replaced for said or why they unvoted my slot. people started going with lynching between the options A50 selected, one of them is me.In post 1254, BuJaber wrote:@Tora - A50 wants to lynch lavos not you. His whole case is on him. He says youcouldbe his partner or you could be town. Either one doesn't change his opinion on lavos. You say people aren't paying attention.. how about you start.
@A50 - catgirl has made some awful posts, but her inactivity and replace out seems more consistent. She barely played since the start until she got replaced. Aa9 seemed more reactive. Her postcount shot up when she was a popular wagon then died again after the pressure wore off. I only backed off initially from her wagon because dino told me she's not a native english speaker and because her wagon grew suspiciously fast at a time when everyone claimed they had other SRs. And it was a counterwagon to duck who was my strongest SR.
That said I wouldn't hate it if catgirl slot got lynched. But I'm leaning towards 1 scum only among catgirl / duck / aa9 so if tora is the scum we are likely lynching a townie in lavos.(and vice versa)-
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its associative cause hed lynch bothIn post 1257, BuJaber wrote:
My point was it doesn't count as an associative read. He is lynching lavos regardless.In post 1255, Toranaga wrote:it's an awful associative read
IF lavos flips scum and A50 tomorrow comes in and says lynch Tora because lavos unvoted him that would be associative. And if it is his only reason it'd be a weak case too.
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I KNOW RIGHTIn post 1265, Lavos wrote:
Absolutely awful post ^In post 1247, UnrealSeal wrote:I am still adamant about the Mathdino/A50 slot but I guess we can lynch him in lylo anyways
I don't feel Awoo so VOTE: toranaga-
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for US is correctIn post 1272, UglyDuck wrote:Yeah so I am bad at this an catching up but it seems to be by my count:
Tor (3): BuJaber, WaveMode, US
Awoo (1): UD
US (4): Tor, Awoo, Lavos, Mylo
Lavos (2): Alm, Mutant
No Vote (1): Scioness
Seal has been on my radar the whole day. I still want an Awoo lynch, but as that does not appear to be happening...
VOTE: UnrealSeal
***If my VC is correct, that is L-1***
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I think I made a mistake counting and that manual VC by duck is correctIn post 1274, Scioness Sajj wrote:Are there mistakes last vc?-
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you know, I'd townread the weak effort you're making at trying to appear like you're town and just not concerned or invested with the game to change anything, but I know better now to know this is the easiest way to fake your way out of a lynch if you're unwilling to put some effort into it. looking into what your reads are, I don't understand how you'd jump to my wagon at all.In post 1281, UnrealSeal wrote:guess I'll just leave this
lynch A50/Mathdino
Bujaber is town
Awoo is town
mutant might be scum maybe idk-
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why is unrealseal town?In post 1285, BuJaber wrote:Please vote for tora or lavos
I will be open to any other candidate tomorrow. Actually that's a lie. If they're alive sorting A50, mutant, and Awoo is top priority tomorrow.-
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those are pre-flip associatives, yes?In post 1287, BuJaber wrote:If whoever we lynch is town that is, we look at those 3 to determine if they're town or notm
If we lynch Tora/lavos and they flip scum then it's game on and our job is easier because we have associatives. nd in that case UD becomes a townlean tbh as I don't think he can be scum with either of them.
So for both reasons don't vote Duck now.
did you make that lavos/myself associative read before A50 pointed it out or are you sheeping him? or do you have any other reason to believe me and lavos are a scum pair?-
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you're proposing that if I'm scum someone else is cleared. that just means I'm less likely to flip scum because I have one less partner inside your POE. notice I'm not with mathdino, I'm not with lavos according to you (not really sure why and funny A50 has the exact opposite associative read), and I'd suggest it's unlikely I'm either with mutantdevle or awoo. who would be my most likely scum partner if I was scum? according to your own POE, it's hard to even find a partner for me, yes? then you should go lynch someone that has more pair equity with other people in your POE, and not the other way around. notice I'm not defending the pre flip associatives, I'm just pointing to your logic not favouring the lynches you want going through.In post 1289, BuJaber wrote:Because he's playing like a townie.
Not a particularly useful one but a townie nonetheless.
This was more clear in day 1 than day 2 I admit, but usually when prod dodges he actively participates on whatever the topic on hand is. Unlike some of the others where they come in defending themselves and making excuses and jumping on wagons.
Pedit - no I actually have the opposite associative. If you flip scum lavos is cleared. That's why I want one of you lynched. Of course it would suck if whoever we lynch flips town because that doesn't necessarily mean the other is scum. The associative works only one-way.
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I think you're town now. I've been on mutantdevle the whole game, maybe let's go there?In post 1295, UnrealSeal wrote:i guess I'll try to actually play
@tora I jumped to your wagon because were nearing deadline and the wagons constantly rotate between the same few people and the fact that nobody will actually lynch the person who I genuinely believe is the most beneficial lynch at this moment.
I hate pretty much every wagon on the board (Awoo I feel I've gotten a pretty good read on, UglyDuck hasn't really done anything I find scumworthy, and of course the other wagon is me).
I want an A50/Mathdino lynch because I genuinely think the associative reads off of that would be seriously gamechanging (if town: clear Uglyduck/Wavemode, sus Scioness/Mutant, vice versa for scum dino flip).
If you want who I believe who is most likely to flip scum, I'd say mutant or the WCG slot by PoE.
tbh I'm tired af (haven't slept in like 12 hours now and I still need to be awake) so most of this post'll probably be nonsensical.-
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hahaIn post 1299, Awoo wrote:I love this game "Hey lets vote up this guy! " * L-1 * "woah guys im town * "Oh hey a squirrel!" *squirrel is now at L-1
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IDK what more can be wanted from me. I subbed in not too long ago, I didn't read the whole game and the case on me isn't about my posting but my predecessor. I have been towny and the players who bothered to read into what I'm doing are townreading me. I got these vibes from awoo, lavos, even from unrealseal when we started interacting. the people who are voting me are either doing it for association, because they don't like aa9 or because they're just scum hopping on a wagon. I'm doing my best with what I got, which was a highly POE'd down slot on a game with only 2 scum and no scum flips. I've posted way more than my predecessor did, but are you trying to read into it? are you genuinely trying to parse me out based off my posting? cause I don't think you are. I'm not gonna read the entire game and come up with the solutions to everything, but as the day progresses I feel I'm getting a better handle of the game, and that's all I can do right now.In post 1302, Almost50 wrote:@Tor: Does it not tell you anything that half the players are willing to lynch you? I mean, let's assume you're town.. you haven't shown it! This is hard for me to grasp bc I know youcanobv!town. Give me some effort. Give some analysis. Give me something to make me go "Oh, this is Town!Tor for sure. I won't be lynching this one."
This game is about reads and impressions (and especially so when there are no PRs). Let'shypotheticallyassume BuJaber is scum. Good for him and he deserves to win because he managed to conceal it and looked townie enough I wouldn't even consider lynching him in a 3-p LyLo.
Now everybody please stop whining and blaming everyone else but yourselves. If this game had PRs I'd understand some would not want to obv!town so they won't get NK'd before they deliver some results. In mountainous though all you have to do is obv!town and scum hunt w/o conservation. Am I right or amirite?
if you can't townread me, that's fine. I expect you to be logic driven and unlikely to tone read. I've seen your TvT deathtunnels before and there's not much I can do about it.-
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I've managed to sort of metadive duck, and got the impression he is more free flowy as a villager and less likely to post correct formulaic stuff when he rands town. as a wolf, his play is more like this and less like his towngame. it's kind of a thin read cause I didn't read any of the games with close attention neither did I read this one in context, only ISOs.
I've also metadived unrealseal but lots of things are ongoing so I can't comment. gun to my head he is town here. I like his solvey post to me.
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you know whatIn post 1308, mutantdevle wrote:In post 1307, Toranaga wrote:I've managed to sort of metadive duck,
Me next, me next!In post 1307, Toranaga wrote:I've also metadived unrealseal
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viewtopic.php?t=75812&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=GoIn post 1309, Toranaga wrote:
you know whatIn post 1308, mutantdevle wrote:In post 1307, Toranaga wrote:I've managed to sort of metadive duck,
Me next, me next!In post 1307, Toranaga wrote:I've also metadived unrealseal
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I'm reading this and I don't think I can parse you out by metadiving you at all cause this looks a lot like what you're displaying in that game. is there anything you think is either a towntell or a scumtell for you that you're showing here or there?-
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I'm not doing emotional posting on purpose. I am a bit frustrated that I replaced into this for obvious reasons. I'm not missing the context of A50's push on my slot. it's literally an associative read that he wants either me or lavos flipped for. he explained in detail that it's just that.
speaking of me voting unrealseal and asking if there was anything towny about him, combined with you not seeing a town agenda in my play: I have unvoted unrealseal when he was at L-1 and asked him to play the game because I got a townvibe from his posting. as a response, he provided reasons for everything he did, which I liked and found it comes from town more often than not. this was me being pro-town, no? especially if, as you seem to believe, US is town?
I'm not going to case people hard when I don't know them and am just reading their ISOs. people can be illogical, weird and wrong and none of these things mean they're scum. Everyone I'm parsing out in real time, trying to interact with them. I did this with awoo. I did this with unrealseal. I'm willing to believe you and lavos are genuine. it's a different playstyle, that might not work for you, might not even work on MS, but it's how I solve. I can stop at any point and read the entire thread, but it's not something I'm willing to do right now. if it gets me lynched, then so be it. I tried harder than everyone this gameday, I have no regrets.