Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Game Over]

[Iconeum]

Rawr!

[Iconeum]

Hider claims don't cross target. The tracker can figure out the hider between the two via night actions and the hider knows the counterclaim is scum.

The way hider + tracker work in this setup is essentially a cop in combination.

Hider doesn't have to out their targets. Tracker follows the hider and if the hider lives the person they visited is a green check. If the hider dies and there is a nightkill then it's a red check.

Scum can't counterclaim hider in the setup. They can CC tracker but only if they successfully lynch the hider since he can corroborate the targets.

Now this sounds like you are encouraging scum to CC hider -_-

and you think that's a scummy thing to do? you think he's telling his buddies to CC when the time comes? why do that public and not in PT?

also why are you pushing allomancer based on setup spec when

literally the entire game so far has been exactly that

?

[Iconeum]

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

And I echo post 118 - Hiraki, what are you talking about?

This just feels like ur inexperienced here? I don't mean that in a bad way. But being very confident in an early read does not mean it's not genuine. I've not seen you examinate the exact part where he went from passive to aggressive?

Case that part for me will ya?

[Iconeum]

@72, if you think allomancer looks bad because of that, why aren't you pushing other players for the same reason? I'm sure there are others here who have done nothing but talk about mech or even not that

[Iconeum]

@allomancer, is there any particular reason you started giving game thoughts *after* 72 called you out on that? Did you just get caught?

[Iconeum]

not my best pagetop, but i'll take it

[Iconeum]

hello everyone

hello old friend

your iso reads like ur not very committed to this game yet

any reason as to why?

[Iconeum]

Ico might be town but I have terrible Ico read accuracy so take it with a grain of salt.

hi there

can you eh, maybe remind me of the game(s) we played together?

[Iconeum]

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

then what do you see? this is so superficial it makes me cringe

do you scumread his intention? do you see a scum setting something up?

->what and which posts make you scumread dkkoba?

VOTE: allomancer

[Iconeum]

@eji

yeah we played before
but i don't really remember where…

[Iconeum]

Well...having read some of ejjinami's old games....I stand corrected. If anything, this is slightly more mellow and chilled out than normal.

Although I couldn't see any games with you as scum to really test the theory - any suggestions?

Unvote: ejjinami

Let's try

Vote: Dkkoba

I'm not convinced by "Hello, this is my first non-newbie game". It reads a bit like "please don't lynch me, I'm new".

Furthermore, I can see this isn't your first non-newbie game. Why lie?

scumread and vote in your

second

post

dkkoba,

you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment

. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

This is very fencesittingly written (the bolded part). You are also denying dkkoba his push by saying it's a fools errand, while if you are trying to sort him you could have just sitten back and see where it goes.

And then after you said he could actually be right, you also say he's setting him up to fail? And he's the one doing the aggressive push? And he's the one who is overly confident, coming from a slot who had a post nr.2 scumread that you continue building on while cornering him?

That's like driving a wild animal into a corner, and then saying to everyone 'yeah see, it's agressive better put it down'

Madoka, why do you think Orange is suspicious for arguing something so obviously wrong, and anti-town, when it was already pretty clear the consensus was against him?

I don't agree that it's obvious to everyone that it's anti-town. I also think it's risk-reward is worth it. The advantage of not having town play to the optimal strategy of 45 and getting the TV to choose Vig is worth potentially being cast in a bad light, especially because Orange is clearly confident in their ability to argue against the strategy. (I openly guide town into following a bad strategy myself as scum).

You might be right - my sense is that he joined the party too late for it to be very likely he could turn the tide on that, so still feels pretty bold to me (but possible he could just be scum).

However, based on higher likelihood of dkkoba scum, something to come back to later.

And this isn't aggressive and overly confident? You are scumreading a player for something you are doing.

dkkoba, you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

I'm half pressed to just vote you because you don't have an avi. Being aggressive and confident are traits of good players. I suggest you stand down unless you want me to hyperfocus you for your unwarranted shade.

Nah, you're just desperate to vote for me because I'm voting for you, and you're struggling to find any excuse.

Aggression and confidence can be good if you have something strong to back it up. You don't, so seems like it's just an act (which is trait of a scum player). Especially when you opened up with "hello, this is my first non-newbie game", which was about as soft as it gets, and by page 4 you'd moved to stuff like:

"I implore people to put pressure on orange and make them explain themselves."
"If something speaks like scum, then it probably is scum."



For above reasons, and the transparent threat to vote for me even though you are apparently convinced that orange is scum, I'd be comfortable lynching you today.

Vote: Dkkoba

(for added emphasis)

If dkkoba flips scum at any point, and orange is still alive, lynch orange next. There is absolutely no reason to protect orange like this, even if you have a townread on him. It doesn't help you sorting players, and I don't feel that's the intention here either.

U literally shot an Arrow into dkkoba's knee, and now ur all 'oh look how agressive he is'

Dkkoba - consider yourself 'shaded' for good reason.

It might be your first game, but panicking about 1 vote on Page 4 isn't a good look.

and this is just piling onto what you want to be a case

I really wanna do want a dkkoba wagon once we're done with allomancer

[Iconeum]

battle mage what do you think about me claiming mafia with orange and that I'm bussing them.

Fun fact: it's literaaly against the rules

[Iconeum]

Battle mage how al i defending aalomancer exactly?
Was it my vote on him?

[Iconeum]

Vla right now Will post tomorow

[Iconeum]

@allomancer, is there any particular reason you started giving game thoughts *after* 72 called you out on that? Did you just get caught?

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

then what do you see? this is so superficial it makes me cringe

do you scumread his intention? do you see a scum setting something up?

->what and which posts make you scumread dkkoba?

VOTE: allomancer

allomancer plz respond

[Iconeum]

Hmm... 6/12 I don't even recognize. The other 6 I can't claim to know their play that well. INTERESTING (and challenging)

Note: I even forgot who Tet & Looker were. I remember these were alts of players I know well, but WHO??

you know perfectly well who I am and how I play

[Iconeum]

where did the allomancer wagon go to?

[Iconeum]

can ya'll at least hop back on and help pressure there?

[Iconeum]

@dkkoba, scumhunting is good but from your perspective townhunting might be better at this time

[Iconeum]

I think we should lynch ddl.

A vote there to prove your conviction would be nice.

---

• @Almost50 (You've got to be 50 by now): I don't think I'm an alt. I mean, I have my picture in my profile.
  
• @DrDolittle: I lost that game as town, so yes, I'm going to change my approach to win subsequent ones
  
• @Tet: Who are you trying to connect me to and using what methodology?

VOTE: Almost50

• @Madoka & Allomancer: Please advance this game - vote.
  
• @ClearlyPast50: Probably. I keep seeing the same avatars over and over again.

talking to allomancer to vote and do something, while you are voting A50 (admit it, that vote isn't doing a ton right now?)

care to join back on allomancer and see what happens if we squeeze that lemon? he has some shakey posts that need answering

[Iconeum]

battlemage, first you build a case from the ground up starting in nearly your opening post on dkkoba
then when you can't continue that, you

instantly

devize a new case on someone you were previously townreading, and gave not a single indication to otherwise about

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

nice and easy townread on hiraki

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

annoyed at hiraki, but nothing remotely thinking this could be scum

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

not an interaction with a scumread if you ask me

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

and after dkoba claim, BOOM insta scumread
it's also in the same style as your previous one, a hard case without any kind of effort into actually sorting the slot

both of them (hiraki and dkoba) feel very forced, like you feel obliged to have a read like this out.
what's your read on allomancer?

second vote: battle mage

please stand by, once i'm done with allomancer i'll be all over you

[Iconeum]

Not enough people voting for Hiraki here... Would be great if people could explain why, making reference to my watertight case against him!

I'll read and see if I buy the case

please do and let me know

also read his first case on dkkoba and tell me your thoughts on that?

[Iconeum]

@madoka you have expressed several reads where your vote would fit (ddl and orange)

why are you reluctant to vote?

[Iconeum]

I only vote if I'm willing to lynch/end the day.

This denies everyone else opportunity to read you, and it denies yourself and everyone else opportunity to pressure players.
Votes aren't 'only' for lynching/ending day. They are the greatest tool to pressure players and get information, as well as helping others reading you correctly.

I don't really see the downside of voting, unless ur afraid of something

[Iconeum]

if you don't vote then your fos's mean jack shit to me

My dude, you

really

need to take a chill pill and stop acting like ur the goddamn sherif of this game. You need people working together, and I feel that ur being counter productive to that right now. If we can't make a solid townblock then we might as well throw the game now.

[Iconeum]

I only vote if I'm willing to lynch/end the day.

btw, in iso, this is super pingy

[Iconeum]

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?

[Iconeum]

I'm not really up for discussing it. You can read my completed game / ask Looker/Hiraki for meta.

ur not even willing to discuss

why

you don't vote?

why did you even sign up for a mafia game if ur not gonna discuss?

[Iconeum]

also let's just assume for now that not voting is just 'your thing'

why are you not pushing/sorting players, on top of denying others trying to sort you?

[Iconeum]

also let's just assume for now that not voting is just 'your thing'

why are you not pushing/sorting players, on top of denying others trying to sort you?

This is a playerlist wide issue and this should be applied to every slot outside of battle mage.

You and battle mage are the only slots putting emphasis on day play at the moment.

Sorta disagree. The majority of players is at least voting, which is pushing/sorting on it's own.
Am I focused in on 1 player for something that more players are doing? Maybe.

What's your take on the matter?

[Iconeum]

I only vote if I'm willing to lynch/end the day.

btw, in iso, this is super pingy

If this wasn't a newer player sure.

Seeing how he referred to past games and meta, i'm not taking this as an excuse.

[Iconeum]

Tet, that's a pretty strong defense on a player who hasn't really done anything to deserve a townread imo. What gives?

[Iconeum]

I haven't seen any votes or cases that really have any substance

battle mage has had 2 extensive cases already
there is me pushing allomancer for his shady post and vote, plus my case on battle mage

plenty of content to talk about

[Iconeum]

Relatability I guess. When I started I was of the same mindset that votes were primarily for when you held a solid scumread and it was your lynch of choice only.

It took multiple games to incorporate pressure voting or voting to gauge wagons and movement etc. etc.

That's a fair assessment, but thrown out by the fact that he referred to past games and self-meta which means this is far beyond any of that.

[Iconeum]

Ok. You aren't the one I'm having trouble reading. That's my point about dayplay being ignored.

And you are defending a player who is ignoring dayplay, while protecting him being pushed into just that (from me)

why is that?

[Iconeum]

i'm just trying to nudge him into making AI-indicative posts, and for some reason you are defending him against that?

[Iconeum]

i don't scumread him for not having a vote out, but I think every player who hasn't/isn't voting right now should be pushed in doing so

that's my take anyway

[Iconeum]

@Ico: So condescending. Please leave my vote alone and have fun with your own. Why don't you go put it on Micc or something

[Iconeum]

@allomancer, is there any particular reason you started giving game thoughts *after* 72 called you out on that? Did you just get caught?

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

then what do you see? this is so superficial it makes me cringe

do you scumread his intention? do you see a scum setting something up?

->what and which posts make you scumread dkkoba?

VOTE: allomancer

allomancer plz respond

The series of posts were he tried to claim mafia bussing orange. While I obviously didn't think he was telling the truth, I couldn't see why town would do that, so I voted him thinking he was scum pushing a mislynch. Obviously that has since changed.

Could you see any reason why scum would do that? Why didn't you put this in a post in the first place, it's not like it's essay lenght or anything

Iconeum - your 'case' against me below, is based on your assertion I voted for Hiraki after Dkkoba claimed. This is untrue. In fact, it's so untrue, I can't believe you bothered to make it up. As I recall dkkoba claimed BECAUSE I'd voted for Hiraki.

I can live with an Iconeum lynch today for good ol' fashioned lies and deceit.

battlemage, first you build a case from the ground up starting in nearly your opening post on dkkoba
then when you can't continue that, you

instantly

devize a new case on someone you were previously townreading, and gave not a single indication to otherwise about

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

nice and easy townread on hiraki

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

annoyed at hiraki, but nothing remotely thinking this could be scum

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

not an interaction with a scumread if you ask me

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

and after dkoba claim, BOOM insta scumread
it's also in the same style as your previous one, a hard case without any kind of effort into actually sorting the slot

both of them (hiraki and dkoba) feel very forced, like you feel obliged to have a read like this out.
what's your read on allomancer?

second vote: battle mage

please stand by, once i'm done with allomancer i'll be all over you

Well, if it's actually true that you cased Hiraki prior to the claim then most of my case falls in the water. If you think I'm scum pushing a bad case on you then you should 100% come after me.

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?

That was an old read, I'm keeping reads to myself now. now you can hop out my pocket <3

First, I don't think you know what a pocket means by reading this.
And second, how am I even remotely close to 'your pocket'?

[Iconeum]

Well okay then, apologies for the good 'ol lies and deceit there battle mage

[Iconeum]

VOTE: looker

??

[Iconeum]

you know perfectly well who I am and how I play

First part is true. Second part is questionable at best.

Spoiler:

Last game we played together (chkflip's Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition) I was Scum so didn't have to read you. The one before that was Mini Normal 2095, and -again- I was Scum. Going back another game (Mini Normal 2092) I was lynched on D1 (but you're right. I did TR you correctly in that game). In Role Call my own proposal was to make you Timid, and I voted for assigning you the Compulsive Quitter in D1.

Do you want me to go back further?

In short, I have no idea how to read you with precision.

I love you 2 x

[Iconeum]

@everyone who thinks voting is bad unless you actually lynch:

imagine if nobody had placed a vote yet this game
what information do you think would be here right now?

[Iconeum]

ok

i'll just UNVOTE:

and wait until deadline to vote like you

[Iconeum]

much regrets about repping into this game

clearly i'm not a match (playstyle wise) with most of you

this is just (mostly) a very passive group that simply wants to play follow the cop imo

[Iconeum]

Yes I admit it. I'm scum. Clearly. I misread the timing of the events, which is a huge scumtell.

Take me away officer!

(at least you were actually making cases and pushing, which is hard to come by this game lol)

[Iconeum]

Looker, you me and Ico are going to be besties after this catchup and we're gonna roll through scum like a steamroller over boiled eggs.

what you think will happen:



what will probably happen:

[Iconeum]

I don't think it was a discussion on philosophy - I think he thinks you're scum.

definitely not a philosophy discussion on my end
but not a full scumread, more like trying to get a read on him

[Iconeum]

oof that's a big post

I wanna say that I respectfully disagree with your ejjilmost scumread, I was townreading that based off of tone and the post related to hider claiming (which didn't benefit scum AT ALL)

i like the position of most of your reads, kinda
it's early for a full readlist

[Iconeum]

like, put looker down in easter eggs and switch allomancer with ejji and that's probably good

[Iconeum]

actually more like

looker in easter eggs, allomancer to rotten eggs, and ejji in top dog eggs

[Iconeum]

ish

[Iconeum]

VOTE: orange

L-3

tum tum tuuuuuum

[Iconeum]

People should stop talking about roles, it doesn't benefit village and gives the werewolves more information than they deserve about who is or isn't what role. If you feel the need to discuss the setup, do so in a way that doesn't spew you as not X role. Hider outing is a terrible idea, optimal play for hider is to hide behind their strongest townread each night unless that player is vulnerable to a nightkill and if hider outs then it becomes very simple to narrow down who they are going to visit at night. Vigilante is also a lot more power for town than tracker, and the vigilante should be shooting the counterwagon each night, so as long as the vigilante is doing their job there should never be any real risk of the vigilante inadvertently hitting the hider. Detective/psychologist is going to have false positives with a vigilante around but that should never be a serious issue when claims happen, as long as they are sensible and don't out on day 2 or day 3 if they happen to get an early result.

This whole game is a soup of ??? but at this rate I'll probably end up voting hiraki at the end of the day, don't know if their weird attempts to gaslight mage by calling them an idiot then insisting they aren't being rude by doing so actually make them a wolf given the way people seem to be behaving in general in this game, but I can see a world where they're going the discredit etc route as a wolf either because they want to make it easier to mislynch mage or because they want to dumpster mage's thread standing. Don't see any reason for them to do it as village other than out of simple mean spiritedness. Don't really know what my read on mage is, think I'd probably be townreading them if it weren't for the peformative way they've been engaging with people. Don't know if they're consciously presenting themselves in a performative manner or if I'm just perceiving their personality that way, or something else.

These are town posts

why? because they are all mech talk?

[Iconeum]

like, put looker down in easter eggs and switch allomancer with ejji and that's probably good

Better.

Hm, actually not after rereading the whole thread.

go on?

[Iconeum]

a TL;DR maybe?

[Iconeum]

oof that's a big post

I wanna say that I respectfully disagree with your ejjilmost scumread, I was townreading that based off of tone and the post related to hider claiming (which didn't benefit scum AT ALL)

i like the position of most of your reads, kinda
it's early for a full readlist

I don't think the hider post us AI since Dk had already begun discussing optimal strategy. As for tone, it us different from his town games where he is more inquisitive / hunter-like. Here it had an awkward, overdoness to it. If you look at his other games, his posts are much more succinct.

ah you compare tone to his meta with which you have experience? i'm just not seeing it with the information i have this game

[Iconeum]

Ico150 Townie vibe - agreed with his read regarding Allom posting some superficial reads after i questioned him about his lack of scumhunting

187 Townie vibe - Agree with the questioning of Ico - the reasoning of the vote on Allom felt odd. Opportunistic hop on if Allom is town.

First quote was from your post regarding me, the second from your post regarding Hitaki

What up with that? Do you like and agree with me on my Allomancer read, or is it odd/opportunistic? It's very strange that you feel both ways.

[Iconeum]

battle mage what do you think about me claiming mafia with orange and that I'm bussing them.

Fun fact: it's literaaly against the rules

I don't think it is.

Trust me, it is. It's not part of this game's ruleset, but I think it's part of the 'general rules'.

Quote:

Claiming scum - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.

[Iconeum]

Also, @Madoka: I'm uber jealous. You said I was your strongest townread, but you said Ico was the game's "saving grace"

he was very much being a prick to me there, he didn't mean it

[Iconeum]

I'm solid on this slot being scum.

DK, Ico you should get on this train. Let's lynch

scum

.

I'm certain Almost is scum. I don't think Orange fits with the team. Almost made it known he was trying to chill D1 but made the case above on Orange after me and 72 have been putting pressure on him, and I feel like he's trying to solidify the Orange lynch. Like what was the point reiterating everything that's already been discussed about 57

I'm not. I'm closer to townreading then scumreading the slot. Already explained why. Also your case is based mainly on ejji posts, and while I don't disagree there, Almost has been upping the slot a lot which you seem to not want to consider?

I've literally made the mistake last game of hanging on (like yourself) to a scumread from the first player in a slot. I towrnead the replacement. And at 3p LYLO, I lynched that player because of the early D1 scumread rather then townread it for what it actualy was.
Not inclined to repeat that mistake here. I urge you to read Almost, and case him if you truly scumread it.

[Iconeum]

Tone: happy-go-lucky / awkward in this game vs inquisitive / hunter-like in his town games. Even if you want to disregard the fact that his town games have a different tone, you can use the fact that his tone is awkward in this game.

Ok I strongly disagree. While he can definitely be a hunter, I've almost always see him turn that on later in the game, and rarely out of the gate.
Also don't see the awkward tone here.

[Iconeum]

544 is newbie scum calling someone out for something they think is scummy and then doing the very thing in the same post.

you… think you are newbie scum?

[Iconeum]

oh sorry didn't see the ebwop

[Iconeum]

I did mean it. It felt like you were the only one driving the game forward at the time. I was buddying you because I felt bad that you were feeling regretful about joining and putting in effort amongst a passive town.

omg sorry i'm so paranoid lol

well... thanks

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my TL;DR read on Almost is that it feels he isn't very invested into this game yet, and he got forced into doing something productive because he was starting to take heat

ofcourse it will feel forced and maybe rehashed on earlier points

...doesn't make it scum

I also think orange is a good lynch, and I think we agree that it's probably not Almost + orange in a scumteam right?

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Deviled eggs

Madoka
DkKoba
Iconeum
72offsuit
Tet

Kinder Eggs

Battle Mage
Hiraki
Aloratom
happyorange

Easter Eggs

Allomancer

Rotten Eggs

DrDolittle
Looker
Almostejji

Allo plays the same in every game and I have yet to identify how to read him. I think his play is a bit different here from his town game in Totally Real Food, but honestly, I really don't know. He can go either way.

You had orange all the way down in your Rotten Eggs compartment for most of the day and posted quite a bit on scum!orange. What happened that put him up that much?

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Why is this odd?I agreed with your post 150 that Allomancer responded immediately after I pressured him. Though looking back its probs obvious I'm going to agree with you following up on my own questioning of AllomI agreed with Hira in disliking your voting post on Allom.It feels like you are casting shade on me here. Scummy post vibe.

why is it odd?

in 1 post you are agreeing with me on pushing allo

and in the next you are shading me for my push on allo

???

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It feels like you are casting shade on me here.

i'm calling you out on an obvious confliction in your posting, it's not shading

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how the fuck am i shading when i'm talking directly to you lol

i'm so offended by that

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I agreed with Hira in disliking your voting post on Allom.

ok let's go

what exactly are you disliking in my follow up questioning and vote on allomancer

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i'm waiting for orange to 'put his wagon down'

Hiraki, all of 'the way you put your readslist down is different' isn't a very compelling case to me. Was there more to it?

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I've got a good feeling about orange wagon, just because of how difficult getting even close to L-1 is. If this was a scum-driven wagon, this would probably have gotten to L-1 and a claim already.

Counterwagon 72off with orange on it could be meaningfull, but I don't see what the other scum are doing then? Wagon and voting analysis is gonna be good on D2

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I still like to think that putting your thoughts down before analysis is super foreboding and I don't get how people don't get that

foreboding means bad?

Me personally, I tend to smash out any thoughts I have at a time, mostly resulting in a mass of posts containing a rumble of thoughts, after which I think about it and come to a more sensible conclusion. Mostly. Ish.

It's more a playstyle thing then an AI deductible thing.

But if you feel that way, I understand you scumread it. I just don't see it.

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@Everyone

Please put orange on L-1 and push for a claim. There's not a ton of time left, and this wagon is meaningless unless we apply more pressure.

When you put it to L-1, make it Obvious it's L-1 to avoid any untimely 'accidents'

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Ico I'm not sure how you feel good about stuff like this:

I was neutral on the orange wagon at first, but I'm not a huge fan of how he's responded to the pressure. I guess I'll wait to see how he pleads his case.

There really hasn't been much resistance to it at all. I think the reason they haven't been at L-1 yet is simply because we were utilizing day time.

Those against the Orange wagon early on were been BM/ddl/72. These all felt like TMI on a town player as the reasoning was poor or nonexistent.

Currently, those against the wagon are BM/ddl/me. Everyone else has voiced being OK with it.

That post from Allomancer is meh. If it's a post to prepare a bus, he fumbled it. If it's a post to prepare justifying a vote switch, he'll look terrible if orange flips town (in the case we lynch him).
The fact you think there hasn't been much resistance, yet it took so long to even get to L-2 only means a ton. It means that scum probably don't want this lynch.
Utilizing day time without even getting a single wagon to L-1 and a claim is bad day play imo. It's all about information and seeing which player takes what position on which wagon (remember my insistance that everyone votes?)

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No one put anyone at L-1 until they've come back and had a chance to make the case they promised. There are too many lolhammerers on this forum. There's no need for L-1 with more than 2 days left.

This is simply wrong. Not putting him at L-1 ASAP is bad play. There's no real pressure with L-2. Any lolhammerers will get punished.
You say there's no need with 2 days left, so you want to wait until the last moment?
And what if he claims a PR then? You go for a No-Lynch? You switch last minute and HOPE enough people line up to get a lynch?

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Currently, those against the wagon are BM/ddl/me

can you tell me why exactly you are against the wagon?
and why you'd vote on it anyway pending orange post?

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yo madoka are you just scum or?

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Offering to put them at L-1 is placation/compromise. I don't want them to be at L-1 before they've gotten a chance to say what they want to say. You want them to be at L-1 for pressure/claim. I'm offering to fulfill your goal in return for fulfilling mine.

i'm calling bullshit here

You don't want to 'fullfill my goal of putting up pressure', because you won't vote until

after

orange made his promised post:

I'll give you this though, if Orange isn't convincing when they come back, I'll put them at L-1 myself.

Why does orange have to be convincing to you if you are already strongly townreading him? You are already condemning the wagon on him. What does orange have to prove to you?

You've spent so much time defending orange, and now you even quoted the main reason why you

townread

him. And you are willing to vote him based off of 1 post he

has yet to make?

You clearly don't want to help me pressure him, because your vote specifically depended on 'how much you like his promised post'.

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On the other hand, I don't see why scum!madoka takes this position in the first place. He takes heat for defending against a popular/main wagon. He'd look bad if orange flips scum. He'd look bad if orange flips town (why so sure he was town etc).

It's just a crappy scum position to be in, unless he is just hardcore defending his buddy.

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Like if Almost didn't make his case for the sake of showmanship, Point one would have simply been something like "I agree with the points that were made on Orange regarding...", but he rehashed it all out for the sake of display.

Listen you [redacted]: I said I was going to fucking relax and not bloody effort. I only read the ISO of orange (as the person Ejji was voting) and decided I like where the vote is. Your desperate seesawing if orange is telling enough.

Pre catchup thoughts is that the team is

ddl, Happy, and Almost

.

I'll have a full catchup, reads, etc. within 24 hours.

This was you proposed team "pre catchup", and you put these same 3 names in your "Rotten Eggs" in 469. Then you fucking found a way to remove orange and replace him with Looker. Rule of 3 applies. If orange is scum (and I think he is) then you are definitely a partner of his.

If anyone has doubts about A50 allignment this game, this is town!him.

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This was you proposed team "pre catchup", and you put these same 3 names in your "Rotten Eggs" in 469. Then you fucking found a way to remove orange and replace him with Looker. Rule of 3 applies. If orange is scum (and I think he is) then you are definitely a partner of his

Ok, but I don't see why scum!Madoka risks his game on defending his partner this strong. I'm pretty sure they would have agreed to either bus by now, or just drop the defence and push elsewhere.

This chainsaw defence is so glaringly Obvious, an orange!scum flip is resulting in a madoka day 2 lynch 150% of the times.

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I wasn't saying "If orange doesn't prove themself they need to die"

Not in those words, but pretty close actually:

I'll give you this though, if Orange isn't convincing when they come back, I'll put them at L-1 myself.

Ur downplaying what you said

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Your desperate seesawing if orange is telling enough.

I love stuff like this and it's why it's so easy to win as scum. If I were scum here I'd definitely be defending town!Orange for this very reason. It increases paranoia, making town more likely to lynch them. Then on their town flip I look good.

Kind of what ddl was doing earlier.

what do you think scum!you would do here? also defend orange? or push him?

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Your desperate seesawing if orange is telling enough.

I love stuff like this and it's why it's so easy to win as scum. If I were scum here I'd definitely be defending town!Orange for this very reason. It increases paranoia, making town more likely to lynch them. Then on their town flip I look good.

Kind of what ddl was doing earlier.

wait this

is

what you are doing

lol

VOTE: madoka

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'scum!me defends orange because of the easy credit i'd get when he flips town'

-> defends orange like a boss

thanks

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I wasn't saying "If orange doesn't prove themself they need to die"

Not in those words, but pretty close actually:

I'll give you this though, if Orange isn't convincing when they come back, I'll put them at L-1 myself.

Ur downplaying what you said

Nah, you just misread my tone. Reread it in the context and it's obvious.

I don't think i'm misreading anything. You clearly said you'd put him on L-1 if the

content itself

wasn't good.
That directly contradicts this:

I was saying "I don't want them at L1, so please trust me on this and if they don't come through, I'll do it myself."

Which implicates you'd only vote if orange didn't make that promised post.

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madoka, say we lynch orange.

What would you deduce from him either flipping scum or town?

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Do you have any examples of you reacting similarly to pressure as town?

i do but i don't think it's up to me to answer that?

it's one of the reasons i townpinned A50 on his post

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lol goshdammit Ico leave me alone I haven't even gotten to read Looker's post yet because of you. As for who to look at upon flip, let me look through my interaction analysis real quick.

sorry i do tend to get up into people's faces like this in a direct conversation

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who here thinks that was a scum reply to his wagon from orange?

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I just want to know if there's an instance of you reacting with such frustration after one post of someone casing you.

post 735 in viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80463&user_select[]=26995

that game, iso almost50, then post 735

this link might get messed up but you get the idea, it's not a lot of work to find the reference
i specifically remember him being upset when he's being wrongfully accused/pushed

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and the next posts, for that matter ^^

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The fact that a50 is being highly defensive in response to a scumread on him is troubling. Especially in a playerlist that makes him a more likely n1 kill as town than normal.

Ico not acknowledging that is also slightly troubling.

did you miss the posts where i pointed to my previous experience with town!A50 doing exactly that?

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you… claim after pressure on you dropped?

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if this is a fake claim then the real psych needs to out and secure the lynch

1 on 1 trade is good, m'kay

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why won't you vote orange?

well eh

there's this?

I'm the pyschologist.

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orange could be lying about it, sure

but that will sort itself, so no need to lynch orange at all

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Any1 wanna flashwagon allomancer? I do

i prefer madoka at this point
really really disliking his position wrt to 'voting orange to please me'

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if we aren't in agreement on what lynch by day end, allomancer will do fine but there are bigger fish to fry imo

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oh, then actual flashwagon on DDL

meh

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also i don't see orange giving any reads on other players, only continuing their defensiveness as far as I see. My brain is fried so maybe I missed it but i'll reread

Predictable.

?

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Eh, never playing another game here imo. Don't think I've been in many places more toxic and completely absent of any sense of empathy or the desire to understand and appreciate others. Makes me feel very grateful for what I have here at home. Pretty glad to be on the way out in this game.

toxic? this game?

i'm sorry to say but then your bar is really really low

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Then I wake up in my living room halfway through 'sigmund freud' on netflix.

2020 in a nutshell

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VOTE: OrangeAssuming that Looker is counterclaiming. Will switch back if s[he] denies.

can we please lynch this?

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?

I assume Looker is trying to get away with pretending to counterclaim without actually doing so hoping village plays along before they have to say anything? Not very interested in a 72 lynch anymore regardless.

Vote: Looker

i think it's a LOT more likely that Looker just missed your claim, because it did get kinda buried in that wall.

madoka otoh assumes it's a counterclaim, when a counterclaim would be a lot more GUYZ IM THE REALL FRIGGIN SHRINK KILL ORANGE HE SCUMMY BOI
he was

very

eager to just assume orange was lying and got counterclaimed, probably hoping to get a mislynch in during this confusion

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VOTE: Ico

you scumread me?

or is this just a big OMGUS?

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@madoka, were you or were you not townreading orange prior?

The answer to this is obviously yes.

if you were so strongly townreading him, how were you THAT easy to think it was a counterclaim rather then continue your townread and think looker was either playing shenanigans or simply didn't see the claim?

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I don't see how you could defend orange that hard for so long, and when he claims a power role that did not get counterclaimed, you jump on the wagon just because looker voted there?

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Yes, you're pushing in bad faith and going for low hanging fruit (and have been literally). This is scum Ico.

how are you low hanging fruit

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This is scum Ico.

and you come to this conclusion the moment i start pushing you.

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VOTE: battlemage

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i can push madoka tomorrow

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Dk, trust me on this one. End of Day is where I'm at my best.

VOTE: madoka

if you really wanna do this now, let's go

case me

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and respond to what i had to say on you

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VOTE: Ico

you scumread me?

or is this just a big OMGUS?

Yes, you're pushing in bad faith and going for low hanging fruit (and have been literally). This is scum Ico.

I don't see how you could defend orange that hard for so long, and when he claims a power role that did not get counterclaimed, you jump on the wagon just because looker voted there?

Sure you do.

I've been pushing low hanging fruit? What about battle mage? You ain't low hanging fruit either. Try again.

'Sure you do' is the response you have? I want an answer to why you drop your townread on orange just because looker voted there.

Yes, you're pushing in bad faith and going for low hanging fruit (and have been literally). This is scum Ico.

how are you low hanging fruit

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ive been reading mainly tone and madoka's jumps out as towny to me in recent posts.

can you also read content? how is madoka's stance on orange town?

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spicey

both looker and ddl have experience with me

this should be interesting

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Wtf happened to the DDL lynch. Zzzzz

Terrible end of day by madoka

We lynch this with fire tomorrow.

how are you still scumreading 72...

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I think you're trying to appeal to Dk's town read of 72 there. You say it as if you've been town reading him or if there's something about his play that makes him obvtown. Your last mention of him was here where you mentioned thinking his wagon would be meaningful while subtly attempting to derail it / push for getting Orange in hammer range. 72 popping in as we're going at it to remind us of the ddl wagon is very suspicious and I believe he was attempting to derail. I also think his "Madoka bad EoD" is a chainsaw.

i don't need to mention 72 in posts to have a townread on him, in fact there's a whole bunch of players i haven't mentioned or really interacted with yet. Tet and ddl come to mind.

you also still haven't explained how you went from a townread on orange (and hard defending him), to voting him after he has claimed with nobody counterclaiming him

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more like "angryorange"!

i'm sorry couldn't resist

@orange, lighten up a bit

i really don't see any toxicity here, and it's not a shitshow?

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@battle
@orange

care to comment on ico v madoka?

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Ico being the catalyst for the orange wagon despite a scumread on Allo.

what

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can you case me being the catalyst for the orange wagon?

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IIRC i was pushing allomancer and battle mage, then i saw the allo wagon bleed dry (calling that out), while the orange wagon was well underway

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i mean, if you say catalyst then surely you mean the driving force behind orange wagon, right? that's clearly not the case

my vote on orange wasn't because i hard scumread him, but to move the game along. it was pretty clear nobody was interested in allomancer no matter who shouted

i didn't push battle mage because i like our interaction, and he showed me my scumread on him was based on a misconception on my part

orange was the next best thing

also notice how i abandonded that wagon even prior to him claiming? why would scum!me do that?

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Tet, how do you feel about madoka voting his townread (orange) after he claimed and there was no counterclaim?
How do you feel about madoka scumreading me after I voted him, while he was townreading me for the better part of the day?

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The orange wagon didn't have much movement iirc. Likely would have been as prone to collapse as the Allo wagon without you but that's kinda subjective.

then why the shade about being a catalysator for orange wagon?

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The orange wagon didn't have much movement iirc. Likely would have been as prone to collapse as the Allo wagon without you but that's kinda subjective.

then why the shade about being a catalysator for orange wagon?

The wagon falling out is the subjective part. You got the wagon moving via your vote. Was that your intention or was it not?

How is it shade if you did get the wagon moving?

i think this might be a different interpretation from the word you used
catalysator: the thing that got the orange wagon started

i see that's not what you are referring to

the orange wagon got stalled out at a certain point, and my vote was intended to shake it up yes definitely

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Ya'll have my reads and thoughts

Lynch madoka tomorrow, 72 next

at least 1 scum in those 2

madoka i have cased, 72 because he wants to lynch me (nullread) over any of his three (3) actual scumreads
IF 72 flips scum, lynch DDL next (72 choses my wagon over DDL for self preservation, who is in his scumreads)

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@72, why me over DDL today?

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devotes much less effort to giving his own observations, and has virtually nothing in terms of votes/cases on other people.

i don't think you've been reading my iso if this is your take on it

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Occasionally he has thrown shade without having the guts to cast a vote - again, pretty weak and scummy.

prove it

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He hasn't had much inclination towards actually finding scum, and little evidence of the classic 'make a case -> cast a vote'.

i cased and voted you, madoka and allomancer

that's more then can be said of the majority of this game?

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b) Is clearly trying to find scum, and then persuade people to vote for them

riiight like that time where madoka voted for his townread after it claimed a pr

[Iconeum]

He's basically playing like a townie

i wonder how that's possible

hmm

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battlemage your post is so full of errors it's making my eyes bleed

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your main points are:

-me not casing and voting others: untrue
-my reads being all over the place: true -> is this scummy? do you know who scum is?
-me not doing anything meaningfull: untrue. while there is grey area in the term meaningfull, stating I didn't produce cases and votes of my own is simply a lie and a downplay.

Did I make an error in my case on you? Yes. I don't see why you think that's scummy.

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i be here tomorrow

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I didn't want to have to lead you guys by the nose so I was kind of hoping Ico was town and could lead instead but I can't exactly trust him at the moment.

So pony up, I'm the Sheriff now.

VOTE: Allomancer

No offense btw Ico.

I'm in no position to lead town right now. Perhaps in future days.

VOTE: allomancer

no distractions this time

BM you're being a primadonna. Play the game. I fully intend on lynching Allomancer so put up or shut up.

If you aren't helping you're part of the problem.

I think you're scum, so I'm hardly going to take advice from you on how to play the game. If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I'll do my thing, you play by yourself.

so much soft defending of allomancer, BM. You can be the D3 lynch if my Allomancer read is correct
and your opening vote on me is great, too! Lynching off-wagon right now is the shortcut to scum victory

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If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard

Why is it so bad to push allomancer when you don't know if he is the conftown, while you open with a vote on me? Who says I'm not the conftown?

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This game is scum heaven.
Its nigh impossible to townblock, im virtually getting very few town vibes, PoE.m gna b hard. My lynch pool is basically the whole roster.

@ Everyone: 1. if deadline were in 12 hours, and you had the hammer, who would you hammer, right here right now?

2. Why did the chicken cross the road?

If you wanna talk reads, we can. Lack of townblock is purely the fault of having so many 'wannabe sherrifs' who think they can solo this game.

1) Allomancer, then Battle Mage. Allomancer for general lack of in-depth posts and analyisis. Battle Mage for his day 1 v me and now his soft defending of a slot that is likely gonna flip scum 'just because it miiiight be a clear'.

2) To fetch a rope that fits Allomancer

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UNVOTE: I would like to request to hammer any vote today. I will reveal who i cleared last night before i hammer.

You don't have to. Clears come out when tracker or hider dies. Crumb if you have to or whatever.

Don't out just to shut battle mage up, scum don't know the clear either and increases the likelihood the shoot outside of the clears in the night. Make them work for it.

oh I'm aware of this. the issue is that I actually ... kinda tracker read my clear atm so i want to hide them rn. I do want to make sure that tracker is uncc'able.

this is so bad....

yeah use your time to argue with the claimed hider and fight against an allomancer wagon
great stuff

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and now you're softing tracking all of a sudden?
this is why im keeping who I viisted now. So mafia CANNOT fish tracker.

I'm not softing anything, or am I? I can say one thing for sure, I'm calling you out for rolefishing and being either scum or a hypocrite.

I think you may have misunderstood your role. You giving a confirmed town, does not give any indication of who the tracker is.

However, you asking people if they have additional information, clearly does run that risk.

I have no idea what you're trying to pull here, but it stinks.

Must...
Resist…
Urge…
To push off-wagon...

aaaaaaaaaaaah

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yeah haha

any particular reason you wanna lynch off-wagon, or you think ddl wagon happened so fast because all town? any reason why allomancer is such a bad wagon other then 'he might be the hider conf'?

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not even a thanks for the pagetop :s

ty <3

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@madoka, i'm surprised you want to lynch allomancer over either of 72 or myself?

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I don't mind who we lynch. We have no unity. I think the best thing to do for now is just lynch scummy slots.

I'm trying to make some sense of townblock here. I don't think it's exactly (Battle Mage/Madoka/Allomancer). I'm probably wrong about at least 1 in there. I think battle mage's defence of allomancer here reeks bad, but you never outed any kind of scumread-scumsense about allomancer previously. What do you think is so scummy about that slot?

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I did read those, and I don't see the link. It feels like you were townreading me previously, and when I pointed my finger at you, you just blew up and went 'OMG THIS IS SCUM!ICO LYNCWXCGHIK NAAOOWW'

it felt a little over the top, but i know i tend to react like that as well to pressure I find unfounded

and honestly, i expected both you and mage to come out of the gate firing at me so i'm just surprised you followed Tet onto Allomancer that easily (not that i don't like the wagon)

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@madoka, i'm surprised you want to lynch allomancer over either of 72 or myself?

Why does that surprise you?
Do you feel you have been that scummy?

No I don't, but as to why:

Wtf happened to the DDL lynch. Zzzzz

Terrible end of day by madoka

We lynch this with fire tomorrow.

Ico, you're literally doing the exact same thing:

@madoka, were you or were you not townreading orange prior?

The answer to this is obviously yes.

if you were so strongly townreading him, how were you THAT easy to think it was a counterclaim rather then continue your townread and think looker was either playing shenanigans or simply didn't see the claim?

what is this supposed to mean? You wanna vote luca but think it's compath + me? After you just 'towncased' me based on that RQS?

I'm not lynching anyone but Ico. This is scum Ico.

Him opening with a sheep vote (sheeping Tet) on a slot that he didn't pay much attention to and that was Always reasonably high in his readlist (though my iso read was done quickly) was kind of a surprise, yeah.

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I did read those, and I don't see the link. It feels like you were townreading me previously, and when I pointed my finger at you, you just blew up and went 'OMG THIS IS SCUM!ICO LYNCWXCGHIK NAAOOWW'

it felt a little over the top, but i know i tend to react like that as well to pressure I find unfounded

and honestly, i expected both you and mage to come out of the gate firing at me so i'm just surprised you followed Tet onto Allomancer that easily (not that i don't like the wagon)

Yeah, pretty much same thing with me. Madoka felt town for most of yesterday, then I found the end of day scummy, said so, and instantly got FoSsed by Madoka.

@ Ico: do you think scum would basically OMGUS 2 people in quick succession in 1 day?

nah a reaction like madoka's is generally coming from town a lot more then scum

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1. How about BM today, allomancer tomorrow?

i strongly believe lynching on-wagon is better then lynching off-wagon

but if we are lynching off-wagon then it's always gonna be battle mage imo

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DDL wagon - it's insane how quickly and pretty much uncontested that got to a lynch. Even with deadline in sight, if scum didn't want that lynch they probably could have easily prevented it by 'not being here'

in my experience there's usually at least 1 scum in such a wagon

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i've not yet done in-depth analysis of the votes there, but allomancer is a damn good place to start imo

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DDL wagon - it's insane how quickly and pretty much uncontested that got to a lynch. Even with deadline in sight, if scum didn't want that lynch they probably could have easily prevented it by 'not being here'

in my experience there's usually at least 1 scum in such a wagon

WOW, earth shattering. You THINK there is scum in a 7 player wagon, with 3 scum and 13 players.

Conftown DK Happyorange and DDL.

If you are town, FYPOV thats 5 (Allom, Hira, Mad, myself and Looker) on wagon

and 4 (Tet, Alora, BM, Almost) off wagon.

and your read is that 1 is on the DDL wagon.


Why do you not care about the Orange wagon?

wow yeah earthshattering indeed...

now let's continue that thought

scum are as good as

guaranteed

on wagon
while they aren't necesarilly off-wagon

simple math says you are more likely to catch scum on- then off-wagon

[Iconeum]

Sounds like a vanilla-general-one-size-fits all strategy rather than a game-specific-player-analysis-approach

well yeah

[Iconeum]

BM you're being a primadonna. Play the game. I fully intend on lynching Allomancer so put up or shut up.

If you aren't helping you're part of the problem.

I think you're scum, so I'm hardly going to take advice from you on how to play the game. If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I'll do my thing, you play by yourself.

If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard

Why is it so bad to push allomancer when you don't know if he is the conftown, while you open with a vote on me? Who says I'm not the conftown?

BM, why the argument of potential conftown to try and stop an allomancer wagon, but not applying the same to me?

[Iconeum]

care to explain the 'easyscum!looker' read?

[Iconeum]

Iconeum - I'm bored, and it seems more like we aren't going to progress anything today, so I may as well stick my vote on the player likeliest to be scum. which is you.

we're definitely not gonna progress anything if you literally refuse to answer a

single

question coming your way

[Iconeum]

Iconeum - I'm bored, and it seems more like we aren't going to progress anything today, so I may as well stick my vote on the player likeliest to be scum. which is you.

16 hours. Anyone off ddl that doesn't vote him in their next post is advocating for a no lynch.

Nope. I'll be around to jump on the DDL wagon if needed. But for now, there's plenty enough time to lynch your friend Iconeum!

I'm good.

You're not that good

complains about game not advancing - i suggest you read your own last 15 or so posts mage, lol

[Iconeum]

meh, ignore quote

was gonna quote em all, but whatever

[Iconeum]

VOTE: battle mage

quickhammers before Dkobba could give his result
on a slot that it didn't want lynched for the entire day

until:

I've broken my own rule and done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum.

'were not lynching this dude' for teh entire day
and then: 'oh i just read his posts yeah we can lynch'

he even joined a wagon that i'm on (his numero uno scumread)

and then he fished to get dkkoba onto him:

Well, hopefully I get confirmed town tonight if nothing else...

also

Ah shit I've done it again...

[Iconeum]

just OMGUS for yesterday

did you even read my entire post?

[Iconeum]

you call my vote on you OMGUS, but you don't even wanna discuss the fact that you quickhammered someone you were defending for the entire day before dkkoba even got a chance to claim his clear JUST AFTER he started questioning you?

[Iconeum]

can i have like 3 shots, i think i can end this game

[Iconeum]

battlemage/72offsuit/hiraki

yeah i'm adding 72 in there, anyone wanna argue with me on that?

in any case, i think 2 scum in these 3

[Iconeum]

@looker, do you feel like ur really engaged in this game like ur usually are?

[Iconeum]

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

is this still a thing? i don't see a lot of you pushing this

thoughts on my 3 shot targets?

[Iconeum]

the other two were actively against Allomancer being wagoned

that's fair enough, but before i commit there I want battle mage to answer:

The very fact that this shenanigans has resulted in wagons on me (town) and Allomancer (based on evidence so far, could easily be town),

BM you're being a primadonna. Play the game. I fully intend on lynching Allomancer so put up or shut up.

If you aren't helping you're part of the problem.

I think you're scum, so I'm hardly going to take advice from you on how to play the game. If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I'll do my thing, you play by yourself.

Allomancer and Orange may both be town.

Why did you townread allomancer in the first place, if this is your take on his posting:

I've broken my own rule and done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum

Like, if reading his ISO makes you think he could be scum, where did your townread on him come from?

[Iconeum]

wait how am i your second top townread?

[Iconeum]

weren't you trying to lynch me at the end of last day?

[Iconeum]

how the fuck is battle mage so low you were trying to work with him yesterday to lynch me

is that list inverted?

[Iconeum]

They are both pushes in bad faith made to set me up to fail regardless of my responses.

K, i get the case u r making against Ico now.

Not getting any real townie intent from Ico

VOTE: Ico

@ Looker - care to join in on the Ico wagon?

We can go for an Allomancer lynch tomorrow.

Come join the Ico lynch wagon train... Choo choo choo

You were

actively

seeking support to lynch me, on a wagon mostly pushed by battle mage

and now you scumread battle mage and townread me? based on what?

[Iconeum]

And yes, it is indeed sad that you sit that high on the ladder.

I'd almost ask if I can use that in my sig rofl

it's genuinly making me laugh

[Iconeum]

'it's a sad sad day when Ico is high on my townreads'

[Iconeum]

on another note

VLA weekend

[Iconeum]

how the fuck is battle mage so low you were trying to work with him yesterday to lynch me

is that list inverted?

Where did I ever say I thought he was town?
I wanted to see if he was willing to wagon on you or not.
If you are both scum than I'm more than happy for him to bus you there.

battle mage was pushing me well before madoka was doing so, and hadn't stopped doing so

[Iconeum]

back and catching up

[Iconeum]

weren't you trying to lynch me at the end of last day?

Yes, mainly because Madoka was calling for your lynch, but given allom flipped scum things have changed.

And yes, it is indeed sad that you sit that high on the ladder.

call it whatever, but you have literally no grounds to put me up so high. it was a faked readlist no matter what you call it

step by step post at 10 yr old level
1. Ico says scum team is among Hiraki/BM/72
2. I say me being scum partnered with Hiraki makes no sense, and me being scum with BM makes little sense.
3. Im saying Ico is scummy here for proposing said scumpool, because i dont think its believable from a town point of view.
4. I conclude that something just feels like its not adding up For both Hiraki and BM to be scum here based Icos post

Comprende?

1) yes
2) ngl, i hadn't even considered associatives when i made that. It was just a list of the most scummy slots imo
3) ahhhh thanks #Town!Ico.never.does.that.
4) what a strange remark to make about your

top townread

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

Then, in the nicest possible way, your reads system isn't very useful.

Lol, true. But thats where my heads at.
Ye Ico should probably be lower.
Getiing a bit better vibes from you now.

Still waiting to hear more from Alora.

Still waiting on more thoughts by looker re: who i would be partnered with as scum

and the moment you get called out on your bullshit ico!townread you back out of it lol

[Iconeum]

why battle mage is allomancer partner:

in 131 it really feels like BM is calling out to his partner to put out some better posts, and maybe get into an early 1v1 with him.

208 first attempt at destabilizing allo wagon 'surely there's scum on'

336 soft townreading and defending allo

In reality, I think it's hard to read too much into this yet - probably worth picking this up tomorrow, or at least when we know what Allomancer is -

who knows, maybe Dkkoba can confirm him as town

?

trying to bait the hider onto allomancer

The very fact that this shenanigans has resulted in wagons on me (town) and

Allomancer (based on evidence so far, could easily be town

), when presumably nobody has any intent on lynching, and so the wagons are completely meaningless, achieves what exactly?

defending allomancer who's town 'because evidence'
also really downplaying the wagon and push on him

In terms of the actual comment - yes I'm quite OBVIOUSLY trying to get Dk to reveal who he visited, which is 100% in the town's interest

remember this intent from BM, you probably know where i'm going with this

I've broken my own rule and

done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum

. Not a cert, but a good possibility. Plus he surely can't be confirmed town, otherwise even Dkkoba would have said.Vote: Allomancer

this quickhammer happened at a time where dkkoba started pushing into battle mage, and also shut down any chance dkkoba had of clearing his target
the way he went around his townpushing of allomancer: 'oh but now i've actually read his posts, yeah this can be scum' is just faked imo

if someone is genuinely townreading battle mage, talk to me and either convince me of town!BM or join me in lynching this

[Iconeum]

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

this has got to be a fencesitting record of sorts

'this person is my top townread, but could easily be scum'

[Iconeum]

VOTE: 72

[Iconeum]

VOTE: BM

[Iconeum]

aaaahhhh

[Iconeum]

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

ok sure but...

I think I'm somewhere about here in terms of town to scum scale

Tet

Iconeum
Looker

Almost50 ejjinami
Aloratom
Battle Mage
Hiraki

That's a pretty sad state of affairs with Looker at null being 3rd from the top. Essentially 5 player lynch pool as of right now for tomorrow does not sound promising.

oh actually 2nd highest townread

still doesn't explain how i got there

i know you said 'because of allo wagon', but you already backed out of that so I really don't get it

[Iconeum]

72, did you read my post on battle mage?

thoughts?

[Iconeum]

what i mean by not getting it is: why am i placed over basicly the entire playerlist if you think i could be scum THAT easily still

[Iconeum]

Hiraki has slipped a bit for me today, he's just a soft target really. I'd love to lynch him but I'm more concerned with the big baddies today

actually, BM + Hiraki might be a thing

[Iconeum]

72 bad readlist can be explained by town who just don't know where they are

[Iconeum]

what i mean by not getting it is: why am i placed over basicly the entire playerlist if you think i could be scum THAT easily still

Because ive got very few town vibes from you throughout so far.

ok but you haven't exactly been the shining beacon of Towniness either

[Iconeum]

72 bad readlist can be explained by town who just don't know where they are

Why are you calling it bad?
I might be right with hiraki and BM.
Sure theres not a lot of substance, but sometimes.... All you need is gut... Gut... Gut is all you need...

because the lack of progress in trying to *actively* lynch me yesterday into being on the top of your townreads while also calling I could easily be scum and the relation to other players

not bad because you are wrong, but bad because you put me at the top, and then when the one at the bottom (BM) calls you out on it, you simply agree with your scumread and say i might be scum so yeah

not sure i'm making sense but... it's what I feel

[Iconeum]

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Give our tracker the best chance.

there is

exactly

0.000000% chance we are going to no lynch today

unless scum have control of the game

[Iconeum]

we just came off of a scum lynch, if we abandon our lynch we abandon our chance at catching associatives and are *hoping* that our tracker not only guesses the scumteam, but also gets lucky in hitting the right scum performing the kill

if later in the game a no lynch is optimal, sure

today is not that day

[Iconeum]

BM today is behaving pretty much like Allomancer on the previous days

shallow reads and statements, not backing anything up
not pushing anything except 'zomg can't believe i'm not being townread i'm so obv town what is this' and 'ico is scum rofl haha'

feels pressured, and then pushes the no information No Lynch after he denied us having Dkkoba's clear from the previous day
doesn't give any reads about any other slot then myself IIRC

[Iconeum]

Vote count 3.2

Battle Mage (1)

- Iconeum

Hiraki (1)

- 72offsuit

72offsuit (1)

- Looker

Tet (1)

- Battle Mage

Looker (1)

- Hiraki

not voting (3) ~

Tet, Almost50, Aloratom

with 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-29 09:30:00)

mod notes:

-

we need consolidation on a wagon here

the vote on Tet is disgusting after scum lynch
Looker's 72 vote is ok but i really wish he was here to play like i'm used to from him

basicly we need all of the non-voters to vote yeah…

@Tet, consolidate onto BM unless you feel it's a poor lynch, otherwise why not BM and who?

[Iconeum]

Ico - my gut is telling me no, my mind is telling me yes. Convince my gut that I can vote 72 again and I'm back to being bullheaded.

do whatever you need to do in order to get a proper read yourself

[Iconeum]

Is Tet out of reach still? I got prodded waiting for him to tell me where to vote. The way I see it myself is everybody's pointing fingers at each other and I have no clue who is genuine and who is faking. I think Tet knows this roster better than I and thus want to work with him (and I obviously TR him here).

@Those who say sheeping is stupid, spare me your wisdom. I'm a monkey FGS. You OTH are just a HUMAN.

Hello, this is Iconeum speaking. I'm Tet's designated back-up Town Leader. Please vote Battle Mage until stated otherwise.

Thank you for your cooperation.

/End of Transmission

[Iconeum]

I feel like this game hinges on Tet being town. If he's town, we've got a chance. If he's scum, we're screwed, because nobody else seems to have enough of a backbone to challenge him. 72offsuit - weak. Iconeum - super weak. Aloratom - solid but mostly on the sidelines.

I guess we have to lynch Hiraki then, but I won't be the hammer today!

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

That's a begrudging L-1, old buddy, old pal

@everyone but @tet in particular

look at me and tell me with a straight face this post is not giving you the creeps

[Iconeum]

i'm really not convinced hiraki is the best lynch

like, if you ask me right now to lay out the case against him, it's just relation to allomancer?

A50 just sheeping tet
BM 'begrudgingly' hopping on

absolutely NOBODY (except partly me) against this lynch?

L-1 this easily after not getting more then 1 vote on a player for days?

i'm calling shenanigans