Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[Enchant]

I AM BLASTING IN THIS GAME

[Enchant]

I looked setup.

... Why even elim if can skip before cops produce results?

[Enchant]

Idk maybe it's already discussed or something.

[Enchant]

Oh ydrasse claimed.
Well fine...

And i need to protect fua because...?
Protects are kinda suck if mafia knows about them.

[Enchant]

Makes sense.


I will speak as person who knows shit, but i like Shirou idea with no-lim.
"OH NO WE LOSING ELIM" well yeah, probably, but cop checks is reliable tool which mafia can't beat by any means (expect by dodging them). Even more so, with protective we can hold.) instead of SCUMHUNTING which kinda suck and not reliable.

[Enchant]

We should't fear timer.

Mafia should.

[Enchant]

P.S. Ye i will protect Fua.

[Enchant]

the idea that you're willing to bet the game on me being scum without knowing redtea's alignment is just so contrived

See? this?

You're also trying to tie your alignment to redtea.

EVEN IF REDTEA IS SCUM I THINK YOU JUST BUSSED.

Redtea is such a fucking OBVIOUS BUS, and I believe at least implo is town, so the play here would be to do redtea and shade me/implo to get two mislims later.

I'm trying to kill you here EVEN IF REDTEA IS SCUM, because I find your posts/engagement towards me and implo disingenuous.

I just THINK that redtea is more likely town than not due to how you're pushing them, but more importantly, I think you're scum in almost all scenarios in this game so I'm kinda just gambling on it

/shrug

Aren't it makes sense to kill Red then anyway even if bus.

[Enchant]

Like what logic you use.

[Enchant]

Well, I have a few hours left I can be here. My vote isn't moving, but I'll still be around to discuss for a couple hours.

You can start

[Enchant]

Nah mafia claims early to save their skins, because batshit insane people with hammers are mostly town, as mafia not brave to do that.

[Enchant]

Nah mafia claims early to save their skins, because batshit insane people with hammers are mostly town, as mafia not brave to do that.

???

why would they claim early to save their skins when their skins aren't in danger at that moment?

claiming like I'm right now is definitely weird though, I'll give you that.

Exactly. Mafia don't want to end up on E-1 at all, because whole defending shit prepared will just go down when someone walks and just hammer without thinking. By not letting put self at E-1 mafia protects self.

It's not like mafia fear to claim because of NKs... Yeah?

[Enchant]

Town PRs fear NKs.

Mafia fear hammers. They can't die at night (WELL CAN BUT NOT HERE).


So this.

[Enchant]

Why tomorrow, not today?

[Enchant]

Do you watching me in bathroom as well, you kinda know about me more than me.


Either way, it's actually simple.

The less town we kills, the less cops die.
The more cops alive, the more checks they provide.

Of course, it's standart QUALITY VS AMMOUNT, because it's kinda easier to hit mafia with check when half of town already bloodbathed, so there is simple choice.

Do we let cops work or we risking? Second is more rewarding, but we need to kill mafia not town for that lol

[Enchant]

VOTE: no elimination

I believe we should do this but I can vote redtea as long as most people explicitly agree with this:

@everyone Do we agree on no elimination tomorrow?

Remind me what your dying confirms?

[Enchant]

If Red flips town, Shirou will live for sure.

Either because maf or because we never gonna believe. I don't really consider other possibility.

Of Red flips mafia, well.
I don't care then gg.


Shirou. Do you think Red is mafia or no? You not so early told "it's blatant bus, but red is much townier" and now you asking others mind if you should.

Kinda ok.

[Enchant]

I wanted hammer but i noticed i already voted...

Damn replacements.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE: redtea

I suddenly wanted Morph dead. Idk why.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE: redtea

I suddenly wanted Morph dead. Idk why.

We posted intent yesterday when redtea first went to E-1 and we've been arguing to wait for Amazonians since that time.

I asked your predecessor to unvote yesterday and she just did more trolling about it.

So, thanks for the unvote!

My predecessor did right if you can't persuade atleast one from 5 ppl to unvote.


I am actually considering alternative to chop someone else, but i find it unlikely people will follow.

Don't tempt fate with E-1 if you don't want someone dead btw.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE: redtea

I suddenly wanted Morph dead. Idk why.

We posted intent yesterday when redtea first went to E-1 and we've been arguing to wait for Amazonians since that time.

I asked your predecessor to unvote yesterday and she just did more trolling about it.

So, thanks for the unvote!

My predecessor did right if you can't persuade atleast one from 5 ppl to unvote.


I am actually considering alternative to chop someone else, but i find it unlikely people will follow.

Don't tempt fate with E-1 if you don't want someone dead btw.

I guess Ydra wanted redtea dead?

PERHAPS

[Enchant]

I sleep

[Enchant]

When we murdering?

[Enchant]

Oh, also, I really liked GL's snap-Enchant-town read.

Does anyone have a list of claimed PRs going? I have a theory that might be relevant the more I think on it.

--PA

Amazons N1 doc, saved fua
Fua, Cop (not N1, otherwise unclaimed)
NumberQ, N1 cop, inno on cephrir
Shirou, N3 Cop, iirc?

If there's others I forgot.

I am N2 Doc

[Enchant]

VOTE: redtea

VOTE: Redtea

Trash talk is over.
Time to move on.

[Enchant]

If really checked then why Morph even still breaths.

Just warning, i will turn on Fua if this is "Gambit" and morph flips town, and i don't care about reason because there's really no need to do that. If you wanted protection from kills you could as well give fake inno.

[Enchant]

morph kinda right, if you are gambiting just spill it out so we murder morph anyway, but will not be pissed off on you.

[Enchant]

No sense for much words just answer simple question.

Fake?
Yes or No.

Think carefully before answering and take care. If you say Yes, i vote Morph.

[Enchant]

I meant if you answer No.

I am dumb.

[Enchant]

Actually i will vote in both cases.

[Enchant]

Actually i will vote in both cases.

Wait so then wouldn't you just... vote now?

Because if i vote everyone else will vote for E-1 and then hesitate 7 days.

I will cut this fast and painless.

[Enchant]

Mafia is Serious Business.

Your mistakes will be remembered for ages.

Who know, maybe real life mafia will even come to you.

[Enchant]

Not saying they should have shot Shirou. Saying they should have shot Ceph. Tbh I think there's a chance the right move for scum was simply to gambit that Enchant would WIFOM and shoot fua, too, if the game is truly as doomed for them as we think it is.

Fairly i wanted to heal someone else instead, but persuaded myself from doing so.

[Enchant]

Mafia ballsy claims Cops and wants to only kill doctors?

[Enchant]

Idk it's soo stupid it's actually briliant.

[Enchant]

I am never count as town worth kill, unless PR.

I am known for my inability to protect self from elims and overall noncompetency.

[Enchant]

hello!

Read up to this point and I don't think morphs reaction is ai
Enchant should claim target and why

I healed mod of course.

Why i even should heal Fua which was specifically asked? Pffff

[Enchant]

Chain N3 Doc to Fua.
Fua checks.
GG ez.

Or
Chain N3 Doc to Fua.
Fua dies.
Kill Doc.
GG ez.

[Enchant]

Lost opportonity to claim you will check Shirou but instead check someone else.

[Enchant]

Wine?

[Enchant]

Shirou do you think mafia keeps you alive to start claiming Cops intensive on next day to throw chaos party?

Because it's what i think they planning.

[Enchant]

But mafia already know how many docs and cops in game?

[Enchant]

U don't really understand what so special in my goodwill post like i just post idk.

[Enchant]

I would literally bet the entire game on Enchant being town.

I did nothing whole game, idk why i am paragon in your eyes.

[Enchant]

What we have potentially for now:

Doctor - imaginality
Doctor - Amazonian Legends
Doctor - Enchant
Doctor - Tejate Raichu
Doctor OR Cop -
Doctor OR Cop -
Cop - Fua
Cop - Shirou
Cop
Cop

I don't know about any 1-2 Night Cops (they would have claimed already yeah?) so i assume all cops are 3+ nights.

[Enchant]

Thanks.

Doctor - imaginality
Doctor - Amazonian Legends
Doctor - Enchant
Doctor - Tejate Raichu
Doctor OR Cop -
Doctor OR Cop -
Cop - Fua
Cop - Shirou
Cop - numberQ
Cop

[Enchant]

10 people alive.

2 are me and Fua, who are town.

Exclude yourself.

And that's 2/7 chance to get guilty if you are both town, if we nolim today, and 2/6 if we lim. And that's just by random.

Like, we are in chocolate as long as we won't suck.

[Enchant]

Doctor - imaginality
Doctor - Amazonian Legends
Doctor - Enchant
Doctor - Tejate Raichu
Doctor OR Cop -
Doctor OR Cop -
Cop - Fua
Cop - Shirou
Cop - numberQ
Cop - implosion

We hit minimal quota for every role.

... Cool?

[Enchant]

I wish to exclude self from all groups.

Two reasonings why:
1. I am town. Therefore, this is waste.
2. I am not worthing confirming. If you getting green check, it need someone competent, who can and will win game for town. I am not fitting this criteria.

[Enchant]

I don't want a world where shirou can fake a guilty on Me
Don't wanna 1f1 with the scummiest scum

I don't understand why

Like even if she fakequilty, most of lobby pretty sceptical to her at best. It's like ez kill on mafia from your perspective.
Why fear

[Enchant]

How you forget about me?

Also... About No-Lim, i actually support it.

Objectively, there's not many doctors left. I already posted quota. So chances to save someone slim. Also we will be forced to no-lim at some point. If we do, why not do now?

We literally stuck at this point, and we need to move on.

VOTE: No Elim

[Enchant]

VOTE: GL

Too late for peacekeeping, eh

[Enchant]

yeah, killing implo would not really help all that much given the pools, because fua could resolve either Tejate or Shirou and either would be bad for the scum!Tejate/scum!GL team

regardless, it's still just best to either lim somebody who already used their power or no lim. I've thought about it and limming anybody in {Tejate, morph, Ceph, Meg, implo, fua, Shirou, GL} is just not correct, because a town miselim is a bigger loss of utility than what we gain from 'info' of their flip, especially when we are guaranteed at least 2 claimed results tomorrow

Basically you suggest elim me and... ANd...
Who is the second one who didn't pass?

[Enchant]

Ah yeah thx.

No.

[Enchant]

If you tried to make most sucking list, you win

[Enchant]

also, I think no elimination is a grave mistake. And if you talk about how I had suggested no elimination yesterday, re:read my ISO because I already explained that before.

Please explain why it's mistake, because i see it as not bad move (exactly not bad, of course killing maf is better). Like, we will need to skip anyway, unless other doc will save someone (which is fairly unlikely).

[Enchant]

I wanted answer from Shirou. Fine i quess.

I have feeling that we should go Morph if we killing, GL doesh't smell like mafia for me. It's more of feeling, can't reason expect for... Uh blatant trying to save redtea probably not smart decision for maf.

[Enchant]

I think Shirou>Fua should share result.

[Enchant]

If Shirou is town we have 5MANTOWNBLOCK.

[Enchant]

Literally, it leaves just 4 people, and 2 of them are mafia then.

[Enchant]

Cephrir,

fua

, GuiltyLion, morph the cat,

MegAzumarill

, numberQ,

Shirou

,

Tejate Raichu

,

Enchant

But there's issue.

Are Shirou town...

[Enchant]

If we believe numberQ, then only people unchecked are Morph, Guilty... And me.

... Hmm.

[Enchant]

how confident are people other than fua that Enchant is town?

I feel like this game can still kinda make sense if Enchant is scum with one of NQ/Morph

Other than that I believe eventually we need to get to WIFOM territory about the claims.

I am confident that Enchant is town.

[Enchant]

Yeah, honestly I really think fua is scum here if it's not an easier solve inside of Enchant/NQ/Morph.

Maybe I can be wrong on GL and that would make this game more reasonable as well, but I...don't want to risk that. Everything at the moment kinda points to him begin town you know...it would have been a huge gamble if he was scum. /shrug.

(although somehow fua/GL also really makes a lot of sense to me considering fua play yesterday...)

Um.

I think Fua who was saved by Doc, who was then killed are pretty town?

[Enchant]

It's like galaxy brain "OH WELL LET'S SKIP KILL AND HOPE SOME N1 DOC WILL HEAL ONE OF US"

[Enchant]

We have three futures.

Shirou is fake Cop.
NumberQ is fake Cop.
Both legit, then mafia team are exactly Morph+Guilty.


... And that's all.

[Enchant]

We have three futures.

Shirou is fake Cop.
NumberQ is fake Cop.
Both legit, then mafia team are exactly Morph+Guilty.


... And that's all.

I'm really beginning to dislike your slot. But it's a shame since I liked you yesterday...

Do you disagree with this reasoning.

[Enchant]

but hm

Enchant doesn't really give scum vibes in their interactions with me yesterday, so I suppose it's a bit hard to believe they are scum.

NQ was really eager to miseliminate me though yesterday before I got a result, I can see scum!NQ here.

p-edit: I think you aren't considering the possible WIFOM plays enough, just because you think it's a "galaxy brain" thing, when it's actually not. It's definitely a huge gamble and smart, but it wouldn't be anywhere near impossible...in fact I kinda had thought about trying to get a doc to confirm me if I rolled up scum here in pregame.

I think trying to just say "yeah these two people remaining in the pool so conveniently must be the scum team" is kinda pushing a potential scum agenda in this game, but at the same time I can see you just being town and jumping to the easiest answer as the only possible one.

Fuck wine, Fua is town.

If Fua is not town, then fuck this game and GG.

So i throwing this future out as impossible.

We have three futures.

All.

[Enchant]

Morph, I think you should begin the massclaim if you're around.

We will shortly.

We'd like to get Ceph's reaction to today's opening first.

*What better to claim sounds*

[Enchant]

Doctor

- imaginality

Doctor

- Amazonian Legends

Doctor

- Enchant

Doctor

- Tejate Raichu
Doctor (!) OR Cop - morph the cat
Doctor (!) OR Cop - GuiltyLion

Cop

- implosion

Cop

- Fua
Cop - Shirou
Cop - numberQ

Bold - Confirmed Town or close for that.

[Enchant]

I think we should force all claims.

[Enchant]

I wish you checked NumberQ instead...

It would locktown two ppl instead of one.
But can't undone right?

[Enchant]

Don't help mafia with claims.

[Enchant]

What if they are dumb and can't count

[Enchant]

DEGRADATION.

[Enchant]

Actually Shirou made me remember something. Let me quote it.

[Enchant]

Whops sorry, no, i reread and realised it's actually valid point.

[Enchant]

miseliminating fua right now would be how we lose the game basically. I feel we're close to a semi-auto depending on Meg/Ceph roles and their nights, but I need to think more so for now I'll shut up for a bit.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... robability

[Enchant]

I am bad with tags.

I am not whiteknighting but i will stab anyone who attack Fua, with my white sword.

... Really. Just cease.

[Enchant]

There's no reason to not claim.

Mafia can as well deduce remaining two claims.

[Enchant]

THERE'S 0,01 POSSIBILITY MOD MADE MISTAKE AND PLACED CULT LEADER INSTEAD OF MAFIA.

Paranoia issues.

[Enchant]

While i looked in thread, i have nothing to really add, so not posting.

Also i was wrong, there's actually 4 futures.

One is, where both Shirou and Number are mafs. But for spme reason i didn't even remember that.


Idk if numbermaf would just suicide via trying Fua elim. Atleast I don't see point.

[Enchant]

Hm....
So. What i think. (Yes i did read this wall and i stoled it shamelessly to explain with simple words).


We killing numberQ today. If this is mafia, then okay, revaluate... If Town, then we locktown Ceph and read next step.
If numberQ town, we killing Shirou next. If this is mafia, then okay, revaluate... If Town, then we locktown Meg and read next step.
If Shirou Town... Then game won, because team is exactly Guilty+Morph and we murderize them. GG ez.

We have enough firepower to bloodbath our way to victory. Yay!
As long as i won't end up on choping block (Well it's hard) and Fua is town (I absolutely sure), we are in chocolate.

[Enchant]

Questions?

[Enchant]

Questions?

why is nQ scum? I don't like your plan because it involves prioritizing limming 2 cop claims (out of 4) first, before even trying to hit scum in the 6 doc claims

Do you believe i am town?

[Enchant]

to be clear, claimed cops being nQ/Shirou

I am with Enchant, no sense in paranoia/WIFOM about fua

Changed mind huh...? Well, too bad, i never voting Fua so let's assume he is Town.

Therefore if you are town too, it means one of things:
1. One of Cops fake.
2. I am mafia.

Yep. So easy. NumberQ/Shirou/Enchant can't be all town here.
I don't see you voting me, so...?

[Enchant]

Oh fuck i messing up pronouns again.

Uh oh... Sorry.

[Enchant]

I think there's no sense in paranoia about fua

today

How it's even possible.

You need to kill one of cops. Or me. If you not killing Fua or Me then i am not sure what you want.

[Enchant]

Okay.

What you think on Morph>NumberQ>Shirou?

It's still MUST kill one mafia, so i pretty fine with that.

[Enchant]

Actually i found other benefit from this chain.

Yeah, this is much better.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Morph

[Enchant]

After we flip DO NOT ignore our no-touch uber townread of fua.

Wha

[Enchant]

I know temptation to kill anime, but we should stick to plan.

It will give us win, one way or another.

Morph/Guilty>NumberQ>Shirou will always result in one maf dead, after that deducing last one will be a breeze. It only fails if team are Fua+Anyone (lold) or Me+Anyone (double lold).

Why Shirou last? Idk. I think i am charmed, but it doesh't smell like mafia play.

[Enchant]

You probably don't understand ritual, but we most wait before there's 1-2 days before deadline and finally cease walking in circles and agree on plan (WHICH IS WINNING).

So yeah, let's wait, respect traditions i quess...

[Enchant]

Mafia will NK this confirm and that's all. Because who they NK otherwise?

You? Nah.
Me? Nah.
Tijete? Well perhaps, but why.
Shirou/NQ? Never.
Guilty/Morph? Never.

Meg and Ceph are primary targets if atleast one of them is Cop (And if manage to get result, it's condemning). Mafia NKing here should give clues what pair is fake.

So let NQ and Shirou go for this day. It's not worth it.

[Enchant]

@Ceph, Meg

I will ask again to confirm, now that I've explained why it's optimal to check me/NQ just in case we're in 7:5. If we eliminated Morph, would both of you agree to:

Ceph investigates me (if he's a cop)
Meg investigates NQ (if they're a cop)

Ceph protects Meg (if he's doctor)
Meg protects Ceph (if they're a doctor)

Would you agree to that?

Because if you don't, even if it's a bit suboptimal I may be forced to concede on me being eliminated today and just self-vote to make both of you listen to a mech plan upon my flip. I think that would still be better than not coordinating properly as we're right now (for example checking NQ is kinda useless if we eliminate me).

Do like this.

[Enchant]

Idk, what he flip.

If town, it was worth sacrifice, which lead to victory. If mafia, well it's work. You shall understand that.

About who we choose next (yes i suggested NQ first, but it always can change if new intel appear), we discuss next day.

[Enchant]

We're not trolling.

You could be using twilight to tweak plans with that info, but you do you.

Who from pair NQ/Shirou fake you think?

I know you think Fua could be not town, but if you choose from two?

[Enchant]

what?

fua is locktown to us.

By play Shirou is probably more town based on GuyInFreezer's metric. the strange stuff with nsg cast a shadow, though. Which happens to be the slot shirou innoed today.

Understond.

I have same thoughts, these only reinforced on this day (especially boredom of waiting, which i shared). So i think NQ just flips maf and we blast partner away. Second part is actually tricky.

If NQ is maf, who is partner you think?

[Enchant]

My money actually will be on Guilty. I don't think maf just check teammate and call them Inno at this point, and there's no one else left.

[Enchant]

GL,

though it's complicated by the n5 doc claim. you get just one now if he's town.

I don't think it's happen before we hit mafia between NQ/Shirou... Even then if Guilty is mafia, then partner hiding among NQ/Shirou anyway.

[Enchant]

I think you leading town is an issue.

Actually agreeing with it. I am worst town leader you can imagine.

[Enchant]

what a leadership vacuum.

Do you think my approach is wrong way?

[Enchant]

Well shit.

[Enchant]

Wait, what? We voted Morph? Why?

GL needs to be kiled dead tomorrow.

Honestly can't find words. I don't want to guilt myself, but it was mostly mine idea.

I still believe we gonna win regardless.

[Enchant]

As i expected.

We probably should force claim from Ceph at this point.

[Enchant]

Likely teams:

Shirou+NQ/Guilty
NQ+Ceph/Guilty/Shirou

One of Shirou/NQ MUST be mafia, unless Fua is somehow scum.

[Enchant]

Did someone claim 5-Night Doctor?

[Enchant]

I remember something like that... I just don't remember who exactly.

[Enchant]

... Well it looks simple?

1. Ceph claimed 5-Cop. Guilty claimed 5-Doc.
2. We elim NQ who checked Ceph. If NQ flips Town, then Ceph is confirmed Cop with check incoming. We chaining Guilty heal to him, so he would survive. He checks... Hm. Actually who is better to check? Well it doesh't matter because choose is not really big.
3. Ceph SURVIVES and checks Shirou. If he doesh't survive, Guilty instachoped.

Does this plan looks like winning?

[Enchant]

HM! Actually what about.

Elim NQ. If NQ is town, then team is blatantly Shirou+Guilty via method of elumination. No need to check them.

Ceph should check someone hard, for example Fua or Me. This way no one gonna whine about deepwolfing.

If NQ is scum... WELL LOLD.

[Enchant]

Fua what you think about my plan, i waiting for your mind.

[Enchant]

If that’s what you REALLY want then I’ll acquiesce but there is just no point to it.

There's point. Stability.


Yes, we can just ludge... And maybe even win fast. But... Calm down! We are almost winning. No sense for haste.

Killing NQ now is safe root, which yield us quarantee win.
If he flips Town, then Ceph will have check, will survive (unless Guilty have deathwish), and give us finally reliable info. It's better if he checks one of us of course, checking Shirou/Guilty is borderline useless.

If he flips Mafia, then... Well. I still think Guilty should heal Ceph, who should check someone, but it gets tricky.


Let's not risk.
Don't move fast.
People who running fast...
Tend to fall down.

[Enchant]

... Are you fear check.

[Enchant]

Okay so bet. Yes i think should repeat.

We elim NQ.
After that, regardless of flip, Guilty heals Ceph. Failure to do so is scumclaim and instakill for GL, after that it's not hard to deduce who is partner.
If Ceph survives, we analise check. Ideally it SHOULD be check on Fua or Me (I am Enchant if you didn't knew). Don't tell exactly who you check to give mafia some wine to drink.
It should be easy at this point.


Anyone disagree?

[Enchant]

I looked at mine plan and what i think...
There's indeed exist holes. Plan not ideal. For example GL benefits just from sacrificing self.

So, i am ready to back off if everyone really sure GL is mafia. Either way it still supposed to be easy.

I think i let Fua choose.

[Enchant]

What is this sacrificial bullshit, if you are town, it just confirms team as NQ and Ceph/Guilty, who ELSE can be?

You shall fight for the end.

[Enchant]

I don't know what LAMIST means

[Enchant]

except Ceph should check me if nQ flips town

If NQ is town and you are also somehow checked as town, then team is Shirou+Fua exactly.

It's... Well. Lost cause. Because then it forces 1vs1 between me and Fua. I obviously WILL lose this fight. Like i don't know is this situation even possible...

[Enchant]

Wait no. Could be Fua+Tijihu... But it's at same odds.

[Enchant]

You acknowlidge that even if Ceph guilty Fua, it will be very tricky situation without Ceph being confirmed first by NQ death? And that's reason why i plan NQ elim at first place?

Like i don't understand. I will be honest with you, people tend to forget about dead wishes.

Again. Cease this sacrificial bullshit. Try to kill scum not self lol (unless you are scum but then try to kill town not self wtf)

[Enchant]

I sleep.

Please don't turbolim. I need rest and time.

[Enchant]

I need to wrap my head around this. There's a lot of plan discussion flying around and it keeps changing, and I haven't been able to stay current in the conversation. So here's what I think people are saying, please correct if wrong.

Plan 1

Lim me (numberQ).

Ceph investigates fua.

Lim fua on a guilty, GL on inno.

If fua/GL is a mislim, we're at 3p ELo out of [fua/GL], Shirou, Tejate, Enchant, and Ceph (minus 2 nightkills).
Otherwise, we have one more mislim to hit the last scum.

Plan 2

Lim Shirou.

Ceph investigates fua or GL.

On a guilty result, we get an obvious lim.
Innocent result: inno!fua means lim GL. inno!GL means lim... fua? me? Unclear.

? from here

Plan 2 is less complete than Plan 1 but in some ways that's preferable, to allow for flexible thinking as the days arrive. Plus, Plan 1 involves an immediate mislim and a stronger possibility fmpov of ELo in a very WIFOM-y gamestate. I do think we should just be trying to hit scum instead of banking on mech confirms, because of that ELo possibility.

The more I think about it the less I like me being the lim, and I was already iffy on it. Obviously this is partially from me already knowing my alignment (and Ceph's), but still. Am I looking at this wrong?

There's issue with plan 1, where GL just doesh't care and kills Ceph.
Then we elim GL and on night will be GL/Shirou/Me/Fua with still knowing nothing.

So yeah. Probably not smart thing for me to suggest.

[Enchant]

I am still strong acolyte of "Fua is town" cult.

Therefore, i don't mind at any order between NQ/Shirou (not Guilty, because one of Cops MUST be scum, while GL is... WEll there's just reason to keep him alive for now), because as long as Fua is town, it's just winning.

Let's elim Shirou if she really wants. Regardless of flip, Ceph should check... Someone between Fua/GL/Me from useful to least useful.


That's all i quess.

[Enchant]

Probably checking fua is a better idea though...it's just that, hm wow, that's a very messy gamestate. The game can be over by tomorrow and that actually never happens unless Enchant is scum if NQ is eliminated rather than me. At the very least we get an free extra scum by the NQ chain, so we at maximum only would need to find the last one.

By doing me first though, you'll need to find 2 scum, with no room for error, in a 4 players pool [Fua, GL, NQ, Ceph]. Good luck I guess?

It's useless to elim Ceph if NQ is alive. So Fua/GL/NQ.

[Enchant]

Ceph, if NQ town, try to check Town among Fua/Shirou/GL, it confirms others as scum. Fairly, you probably not surviving that.
If NQ is scum, try to hit scum. Otherwise it will be bullshit between Shirou/GL/You/Fua, excluding person you checked. Still winnable though.

I hope it's simple.


GL, don't gambit.
I said don't.
Bad lion.

[Enchant]

I think NQ flips scum the more and more twilight lasts.

[Enchant]

Well i receive tantrums anyway.