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I like me too, but I have a hard time believing you had Real Feelings from my singular drive-by RVS post.In post 24, Natalya wrote:I like Andante Andre and Retti so far.
This can be town antsiness to actually get the game started. Scum probably not going to make that much noise about being bored.In post 27, Andante wrote:
Well I mean, everyone showing up and randomly voting gets us nowhere, everyone has essentially the exact same message, like, idk, I hate RVS in general, but still, having the entire table go "haha (vote X)" yeah no thanksIn post 25, fua wrote:
What should we be talking about instead? Half the people in this game haven't even checked in yet.In post 22, Andante wrote:I bet we have a mailman this game who is the most fun person here.... so far all yall are boringHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Since when do you explain yourself this much?In post 63, T3 wrote:+1
Andante comes across as very genuine and inquisitive. Her questioning of Natalya feels like a Town who wants to get the game forward, which is congruent with her earlier statements.
Natalya... idk? It's hard to separate the fluff from readable content. The one thing that stuck out to me was 56. From what I've seen there's a general sentiment from players who have played with me before that I'm hard to read. From this, Natalya is lean town. It's also possible that Natalya was reaction testing Scorpious, in which case she's even more towny.
Retti is a (possible) scumread. His point about Natalya in 61 is eerily similar to reasoning I've used as scum before to justifly shade on someone immediately after RVS. In FIA WRC, another player hyped up a tone scumread on a newbie. Scum me immediately shaded that player and got an early wagon on them. The reason I say possibly, is because Retti isn't me, and this might be a legitimate tell town him uses.
Scorpious is nullscum. His reaction to Natalya's 'scumread' was bad but I want to excuse it as an older player coming back to the site and feeling out-of-place with the site meta.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Actually, calling it now: those reads are fake, fake, fake. town!T3 just posts blunt, underexplained thought fragments while scum!T3 is way more concerned with projecting towniness and looking like he has explanations for all his reads. The reads on Natalya and Scorp are both blatant hedges as well. It's a post that's trying to look solvey but doesn't actually commit to most of its reads.
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Noting this as a blatant hedge as well, echoing T3 while keeping their vote on him.In post 67, fua wrote:I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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It's just there to get conversation started. It's not like there's rules for it. I think you probably just have unrealistic expectations for how active other people are going to be. Calm down, let people work into the game on their own time rather than getting worked up over nothing.In post 78, Andante wrote:I mean, RVS, what sense does it make to vote someone and leave. isn't RVS about pressuring random people? getting some sort of random wagon going? cause 7 people with 1 vote on them is just dumbHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Scorpious seems Fine. Getting grumpy over getting scumread for an RVS post is an understandable reaction, if anything, don't get why people are saying it's bad. It's like how anyone responding to being pushed gets called "defensive", because they're...defending themselves. Means nothing.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Eh, I'll bite: Why Natalya?In post 62, Oman wrote:Good morning. What an interesting start to a game. Please to be here for it.
Andante is the obvious elephant in the room, but I'm not overly concerned at this point. I know people can get really talky when they're scum but eh I'm mostly seeing enthusiasm. The response to #33 wasn't stellar, but also doesn't give me enough red flags.
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...information, such as?In post 117, Scorpious wrote:Yeah, I’m not wasting anymore time “defending” myself. How such a weak push gains so much momentum is beyond me. As far as being “defensive”. That’s being manufactured, and people are buying it.I asked some obvious questions that anyone would ask. Good thing is, This train is giving me some information, though.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I think Natalya probably has ~sincere conviction~ or whatever in her Scorp read, I just don't really think I see it, the questions he asked her are just asking her to explain her reads, which isn't exactly screaming "scum" to me. His response is weird but I would agree with Oman's assessment at the end of 115 that the votes on Scorp after Natalya look opportunistic in nature, which has me not wanting to go in that direction.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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What about the effort did you like, exactly?In post 119, Andante wrote:wow... Oman town, I don't see scum putting in that much effort this earlyHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Welcome back, BTW - always like playing with older users because it reminds me of when I was starting out (this is an alt, I was originally active around 2011 or so). I feel like the meta has shifted a lot since then, hopefully it's not too big an adjustment.In post 115, Oman wrote:
TURNS OUT IT IS! I heard that Patrick Gower won the Nisei world champs and I was like "huh, we used to play mafia together"In post 72, Scorpious wrote:
Welcome back, yeah I played a game on another site and was thinking : “I wonder if MS is still a thing”Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Shrug? None of them are exactly shining beacons of towniness. (If anyone wants to accuse me of "throwing shade" by doing this, I will throw hands). Aza and Egix both basically said nothing with their votes, if you wanted to squint and stare at it, IIn post 136, Natalya wrote:Ok who do you scumread on the Scorp wagon?couldsay Aza's seems better by being more bold than I'd expect from most scum where Egix was more generically sheepy but at that point I start to question if I'm starting at the screen too hard and starting to see spots in my eyes. fua's vote is more "reasonable" but I Did Not Like 94, it felt like they were possibly testing the waters on a Scorp vote but didn't want to be seen as the first to jump ship there, only moving when it became a bigger wagon.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I don't get what that is supposed to mean? Like, I would have assumed you were getting reads on the people pushing you, but you haven't really done that, in fact you gave a null/don't know stance on two of them so I have no idea what you're actually doing with this information.In post 127, Scorpious wrote:
Votes, and positions on the train.In post 125, Retti wrote:
...information, such as?In post 117, Scorpious wrote:Yeah, I’m not wasting anymore time “defending” myself. How such a weak push gains so much momentum is beyond me. As far as being “defensive”. That’s being manufactured, and people are buying it.I asked some obvious questions that anyone would ask. Good thing is, This train is giving me some information, though.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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>___________________>In post 186, Andante wrote:
I retract 119, I didn't actually read the giant post, there's something that feels off about an Omin post I just read tbhIn post 129, Retti wrote:
What about the effort did you like, exactly?In post 119, Andante wrote:wow... Oman town, I don't see scum putting in that much effort this early
Sooo I asked specifically because I see scum do the "long post = town" gloss all the time early in games, because they get lazy and don't want to have to actually engage with the content and while that post wasfine, it was mostly a lot of quote replies to stuff, which isn't particularlyhardto do, it was just in one block rather than in a string of 5 posts like I'd do it. It wasn't bad, I in fact liked what he said about the scorpious wagon. However, I wanted to know whatAndanteliked about it, because that post actually had several sections that were critical of Andante, and she just seemingly went "yep good post!!!" at it. Which suggested she didn't really read it, which as I said tends to be a scumtell.
But does scum openly just...admit to not...actually reading? Argh.
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Because I am Trying to understand what Scorpious is doing this game, because the more he posts, the more confused I get about what he is doing. After that last rant of his I'm probably going to assume he's getting run up for playstyle differences more than anything alignment indicative and responding negatively to that, shrug my shoulders, and leave him alone.In post 188, Andante wrote:
What's the rush? I don't understand why you're expecting actual reads from someone so far, like, I could see 1 or 2 TRs, or slight SRs, but typically people out stuff when they have it, and if you pressure them, they'll just say whateverIn post 145, Retti wrote:Are you often slow to form reads/do anything with your vote on day 1? I don't understand what you're doing right now.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Cool, towny post, thank god that there's at least one person in this game that's an easy read that doesn't set the paranoid voices in the back of my head off.In post 196, Azaariah wrote:well i was going to say i thought i had a play style clash with andante but now i think we should just vote her out now because i was certain she was scum in my last game with her. i backed out of it and she just endgamed as scum. i need to read this game again with that in mind but my initial thoughts were that andante was scum here but that was under the assumption that she was town in the other game which is not true.
i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Surely you didnt time that post specifically to pocket me right after I said I liked your post, right? >_>In post 211, Azaariah wrote:hmm ok so i read some more pages and the only things i've got are that i feel very strongly that retti is town or their playstyle just appeals to me so much that i refuse to believe they could be scum.
i want to believe oman is town
i find scorpius scummy but i don't know if i necessarily think it's coming from scum, if that makes sense
about andante, im going to hold off on that for now. i have thoughts, a lot of them actually, but i dont feel good saying them right now because im sure i'll talk myself out of them and that'll frustrate me very much.
i think i'll just keep waiting for something to really ping me because so far im not really feeling solid on any reads.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I mean, that seems like pretty explicitly a playstyle type of post (not that uncommon among older players from what I remember). Doesn't really bother me although I could see someone unfamiliar with old norms being weirded out by it. But it still concerns me that you don't seem to be reading the game critically, like you're giving all these takes but admitting to skimming posts, and like, are you more concerned with Being Here and Having Opinions rather than actually analyzing anything?In post 213, Andante wrote:In post 137, Oman wrote:
I was pretty explicit about why I made my vote in my post: It's better to have two strong wagons which cause people to move into "camps" and draw lines between each other than for me to vote egrix or whatever.In post 134, Natalya wrote:In post 128, Retti wrote:I think Natalya probably has ~sincere conviction~ or whatever in her Scorp read, I just don't really think I see it, the questions he asked her are just asking her to explain her reads, which isn't exactly screaming "scum" to me. His response is weird but I would agree with Oman's assessment at the end of 115 that the votes on Scorp after Natalya look opportunistic in nature, which has me not wanting to go in that direction.
A thing that confuses me is that Retti/Oman believe the latter voters on the Scorp wagon to be opportunistic in nature but their votes are on T3, who is not voting for Scorp.
(I know this comes after the post I responded to you, but I was skimming, then went back to you instead of ignoring)
This one just read weird to me tbh idk, not enough for me to have a strong stance on Oman, but like "It's better to have two strong wagons which cause people to move into "camps" and draw lines between each other than for me to vote egrix or whatever." Who says this, this early in the game? like "ok, time to force wagons on 2 people and see what happens" it's definitely not my method of choice for how to play, but whatever, that post felt off though, idk how to explain.
And yeah, if it's a long post I'll tend to not really read it when skimming the thread, even though I know I produce a lot of long posts, but hey, sometimes you just say whatever, and see what sticks/people try to run with, like I knew I wasn't here for a while, wanted to see if people would jump in like "yep for sure town!!" just like the million TRs on me, like, are you saying it cause you genuinely think I'm town or you saying it cause you wanna try and pocket me, OR are youjust gonna repeat what everyone else says, it's like, yeah.
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Do you feel like this is similar to how Andante reacted to you pushing her in that other game?In post 226, Azaariah wrote:
why are you overreacting so much? i have specifically said i want to hold off on reading you and given my last game where i lead the push on you and let myself be swayed by you, why do you find any of this surprising?? i came in here and thought you were scum while thinking you were town in the other game. i just let scum you slip right out of my grasp and firmly believed you were town afterwards, to the point that i had you in my locktown category. now i am worried and trying my best to not make any hasty reads. i said my initial read and decided to go back and read again. is there a problem? i have said nothing specific about you so far besides my past experience with you and the fact that i will be rereading because of the game that just ended. i literally dont understand what your problem is when i haven't even given a firm read on you one way or another.In post 216, Andante wrote:
It literally sounds like you wanna scumcase me. You had the paragraph on me, THEN went to go read?? Like, yeah if you want me to be scum, you can spin anything I say into it being scummy "omg andante is talking me out of my read on them" like, I'm serious, if that's the plan for this game, I will honestly have no part of thatIn post 211, Azaariah wrote:about andante, im going to hold off on that for now. i have thoughts, a lot of them actually, but i dont feel good saying them right now because im sure i'll talk myself out of them and that'll frustrate me very much.
lets say i do want to scum case you and you are town, is that surprising? even just the paranoia from our last game together is enough to give me scumreads on you for the next five games. i dont understand your reaction to my posts - they make no sense.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Er, Why?In post 232, the worst wrote:ugh i want to vote azaariah as wellHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I can find the game, thanks. I was more interesed in Aza's opinion on it.
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This is such a weird, random pop-in. I'm pushing on things I find suspicious and asking questions to people to try to figure out if they're for real or bullshitting.In post 258, UglyDuck wrote:what else would you have one do on day 1? what have you done that analyzes the game? what has anyone done?
What are YOU doing to analyze the game?
Okay, so...why talk about doing it, rather than actually doing it?In post 260, the worst wrote:because I'm finding them noncommittal and I think escalating the pressure against them with three votes within a page would force them to get spicier.
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That seems to be missing the point entirely? None of this is actual justification for voting Aza. Which, like, claiming a vote on page 4 on a very serious wagon was an RVS vote is weird, sure, but I don't see why scum chooses that path rather than saying they agreed with the wagon, aza's other posts are good enough that I shrug and buy the explanation.In post 271, fua wrote:I don’t see how it’s a cheap ‘gotcha’ when I clearly expressed displeasure with the way the Scorpious wagon formed as well as an intent to change my vote a few posts prior to that.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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It specifically felt like you were trying to take advantage of andante getting into it with Aza in what is probably TvT and were making overtures toward voting Aza, which I Did Not Like because they're one of my few solid townreads, and your justification was that they were being "noncommittal" and you "wanted to increase the pressure", which, nominally, isIn post 316, the worst wrote:retti is pressing buttons which is p cool, i haven't decided how i'm approaching solving their slot yet. i'm finding their push on me a bit uninteresting. honestly i'm old grumpy and experienced enough to either (1) make decisions to look a certain way and proceed accordingly, or (2) firmly posit that i'm doing the first thing and double down on it for no reason. i get why they think what i'm doing looks bad. i don't get why they think what i'm doing is scum-aligned. in broad strokes it might be fair to say i think this applies to a lot of what they're doing; they asking questions and making points but i'm kind of vibing til i see a bit more of like, where they're going with this.finebut...if you wanted to do that, why not justactually do it? The problem is what you were doingdoesn't actually increase pressure in a meaningful way, it just looks like angling to slide onto a potential growing wagon?Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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What I'm going to say is I thought you were townreading me? I'm confusedIn post 373, Andante wrote:And cause I know Retti is gonna say something, yes Retti, have no fear, I'm actually gonna case you later and look into stuff, then I'll feel good about what you are, I shouldn't even be here right now though, so byeeee see yall later. I'm town, dw. just trustHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Lmao, okay, fair enough. That's understandable, I feel like this is a game where I'm having a lot of trouble getting solid townreads and I wish I was, like, a quintuple-voterIn post 377, Andante wrote:
Uh I'm genuinely confused on my reads too, and there's no one I trust 100% here, so my plan after finals is to figure out my thoughts/concerns on everyone and go from there. I'm like playing 4d chess in my mind here,like "ok Retti probably town, however, if Retti isn't town, I'd believe that too cause of X,Y,Z" it's a nightmare. especially cause my reads are consistently changing at the moment, so uhh just ignore me, there's a reason I'm voting no one right nowIn post 376, Retti wrote:
What I'm going to say is I thought you were townreading me? I'm confusedIn post 373, Andante wrote:And cause I know Retti is gonna say something, yes Retti, have no fear, I'm actually gonna case you later and look into stuff, then I'll feel good about what you are, I shouldn't even be here right now though, so byeeee see yall later. I'm town, dw. just trustHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I'm already signed up to play a game of mafia that's the most amount of suffering possible
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What? Last night, 232 then 260, which was why I voted you in the first place, because A) I disagreed and thought Aza was p. damn towny and B) it didn't really seem like you were interested in sorting Aza, it felt posture-yIn post 379, the worst wrote:
when? lolIn post 375, Retti wrote:
It specifically felt like you were trying to take advantage of andante getting into it with Aza in what is probably TvT and were making overtures toward voting Aza, which I Did Not Like because they're one of my few solid townreads, and your justification was that they were being "noncommittal" and you "wanted to increase the pressure", which, nominally, isIn post 316, the worst wrote:retti is pressing buttons which is p cool, i haven't decided how i'm approaching solving their slot yet. i'm finding their push on me a bit uninteresting. honestly i'm old grumpy and experienced enough to either (1) make decisions to look a certain way and proceed accordingly, or (2) firmly posit that i'm doing the first thing and double down on it for no reason. i get why they think what i'm doing looks bad. i don't get why they think what i'm doing is scum-aligned. in broad strokes it might be fair to say i think this applies to a lot of what they're doing; they asking questions and making points but i'm kind of vibing til i see a bit more of like, where they're going with this.finebut...if you wanted to do that, why not justactually do it? The problem is what you were doingdoesn't actually increase pressure in a meaningful way, it just looks like angling to slide onto a potential growing wagon?Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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What posts did I make that came across as "calculate" to you?In post 326, Scorpious wrote:Anyway.. reads..partial..full..right…wrong… and my favorite color is Blue.
Natalya- Not scum, or the best scum ever.. not scum
Andante-Not scum, also cheered me on *blush*. Thanks, nice break from getting pummeled.
But I’m a sucker for the active, and this seems way too active and non contradictory
Oman- This one is weird, was really the first one to outwardly “support” me, and the quotes meaning he didn’t come in guns blazing. I’m puzzled because they switched the vote to Jackson over..? Policy?
I feel a scum vote would easily Trump the policy vote.Is this the beginning of scum initiating activity arguments?This is a null for me
Retti- Scares me. I cannot read this person. On one hand they seem receptive to logic that isn’t from their own thought process, but When I read these posts they just give me this calculated vibe. I can’t put my finger on it..Gun to my head… scum.
T3- Get this feeling this can be a scum with Aza, Voting them, then accepting a single post to remove the vote, with little to no push does not sit well with me. I’d vote this
Fua- Really likes cutting me down, didn’t like how they answered twice in a row for Natalya when I was trying to get a reaction, feels coachish..not sure how AI that is though. I can see scum motivation for trying to guide another’s behavior. Scum….ish… lean? Like as close to null as you can be but still be on the scum side.
Az- The four paragraph “ I think this, but I might think that, but if I thought that, then I might think that..” turned me off. Is it even fluff anymore? Biggest scum read atm.
the worst- no read, this person is way beyond me in levels of skill. I feel stupid even trying to read this one. I intially felt like him and Natalya were site friends just having a good time, but I was wrong. This is a null..
Egix seems a touch opportunistic, but this is that murky activity area.
And the other 2, well.. we’ll see..
I'm weirded out because I feel like "calculated" is honsetly a p. accurate descriptor of my scumgame but also I feel like it's the polar opposite of how I've been playing here, where I've been pretty off the cuff and all over the place? I don't get it, at all.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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In post 386, Andante wrote:uhhh I don't get a calculated impression from you lol, just very engaged, I saw that list, it's on my list to react to (a mental list I have lol so we know how that ends)
but like, normally I tr the first few reads lists, but like, idk, a reads list on everyone, when half the table should be null, ehhh this list doesn't do too much forme, feels forced, like "I have to post this" which is likely a direct result from all the votes that direction, so mehh. this is why I hate wagon pressure lol
Yeah I guess, it's hard to describe it really, I don't feel like I have solid reads for the most part yet either, it's moreso theIn post 387, Andante wrote:
Same, but you have to remember, Scorp is basically being forced to out reads, none of those seem too genuine, so who even knowsIn post 385, Retti wrote:IDK if I'm just feeling petty tonight but I kind of hate those reads from Scorpwayhe talks about things that bothers me, if that makes any sense.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I literally said I'm having trouble putting it into words but am just posting my immediate gut reaction (but also his read on me is butt)In post 395, the worst wrote:In post 385, Retti wrote:IDK if I'm just feeling petty tonight but I kind of hate those reads from Scorp
i think hypocrisy tends to come from purer mindsets before guilty mindsets a lot of the time (who have a tendency towards being more careful / avoiding being seen as fallacious)In post 388, Retti wrote:If I were to try to put it into words, he's scumreading Az for "waffling" but a lot of his reads are inconclusive as well? It feels kind of open-ended for who he's willing to vote?
is it not normal to remain open-ended as to who you would vote if you have a pool of people who you think are scum?
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In post 397, the worst wrote:
that's a bigger problem than retti being scum, because i am not convinced retti is making an effort to form reads on people's alignments. that, coming from townies, loses games.In post 394, Andante wrote:@the worst, Retti is town, just assume that is true, and move on with your day 1, together the 3 of us will find a scum todayare you actually reading anything I postHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Teh thing is I voted you on a momentary twinge, basically, but since then you have given me basically no reason to doubt it at all because I don't find your thinking believable and you keep taking potshots at me and it feels like you're just purposefully trying to tilt me nowIn post 403, the worst wrote:
btw i think this post reads a bit more angery!!! than i actually am right nowIn post 392, the worst wrote:spice
your reads are developing a bit slowly & over-focused on things that ~look bad~ rather than things which... like, scum actually do? your read on me is just a handy example since you expanded on it and it's based on several assumptions which are a bit moonlogicky.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I realize this is not going to be a Productive argument because no one is going to want to read it but I get super bothered when I get attacked for stuff that is blatantly not trueIn post 413, Andante wrote:Retti... we're gonna leave the worst alone...Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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*sighs deeply*In post 417, Andante wrote:
Yeah same, however. The 3 of us are working together whether you 2 like it or not, at least for day 1, we will be limming scum here, and you're the most engaged thus far, so I think you're a perfect teammate, and the worst is kinda funny/can probably be useful in someway, so just hear me out, I'm only asking for day 1, we find the scum outside this trio. ok thanks! Day 2 feel free to tunnel the duck, but not day 1 hereIn post 414, Retti wrote:I get super bothered when I get attacked for stuff that is blatantly not true
okay. I'll try. (I'm having a bad night for reasons unrelated to this game and it's probably coming through more than I'd like).
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Townreading Egix feels like a step too far but I don't really get the hate there besides "low volume", his last few posts have been fine and he's doing more than duck/andres who are just prodging to stay in the game.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Didn't you try to pull this type of "mindmeld" with something someone already said as scum?In post 486, T3 wrote:
mindmeldIn post 385, Retti wrote:IDK if I'm just feeling petty tonight but I kind of hate those reads from ScorpHappiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I went back and re-read 392 from worst now that I'm feeling better and have centered myself and can read with fresh eyes and all that, and I can see that yes, his treatment of Aza was exactly as he describes it and it doesn't look like it had the malign intentions I initially assumed it did. I was in too much of a "protecc Aza at all costs" mindset at that moment in time and was interpreting any expression of suspicion in the worst possible light, which is a very silly mindset.
I still feel apprehensive reading worst's posts for reasons I am completely unable to express in Actual Words, but I can't really justify voting him at this point in time.
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I've been too focused on real-timing, I'm going to reread the game and see if I can get a clearer view of it, my reads are a mess right now.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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I don't necessarily think uglyduck is scum for those reads (actually felt like, does scum really make a list with literally no scumreads?) but don't mind the pressure there at all and want to see how he responds.
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I'm not actually sure you get what I'm saying - if he's making that list as scum he's leaving himself almost nowhere to push which means he's likely boxing himself out. I know sometimes scum make dumb posts that are un-strategic anyway, I'm just saying, wouldn't be the first time I've seen town make a readslist like that. Like I said I'm fine with the pressure and hopefully it gets him to come back and talk a bit more.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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Took a look back at Azaraaiah and I was very charmed by 196 where they came in talking about being paranoid of Andante having just seen her endgame as scum in that other game and then us making posts calling each other towny within a minute of each other. Looking back that post isn't as strong as I thought on seeing it initially and it's actually a bit waffly but I still like it a decent amount in that they were holding back on saying stuff in the game to wait for info from that other game rather than trying to make a splash right away. However beyond that I do actually really feel like the worst has a point about them being noncommittal, there's a little too many instances where they talk a lot about someone without much in the way of a definite conclusion (e.g. 245, latter part of 272). I do like that they committed to a strong scumread in 517 but want to hear their explanation as to why, which they offered and haven't given. I think honestly I still kind of want to townlean them just for sounding pure when I read through their posts but probably want to see a bit more
I'm not sure I really understand why people are townreading dwlee. Since replacing in they've essentially made a few naked bandwagon votes and that's it. Not seeing anything in the way of trying to actually solve people? I didn't really like the response to Natalya in 500 either, just felt overly defensive. Leaning scum.
Aside from my vague distrust of the worst which is apparently a result of me being A Person Who Does Not Get Jokes, I think he's been all right and is trying to move the game forward in a productive way and all that, which is good and I don't want to vote him, but I can't bring myself to feel comfortable calling him town based on anything he's done. IDK. This is a shit non-read.
I feel like my suspicion of fua this game has been because every reason they've jumped on for voting people has been sobasicbut I recognze that not everyone thinks the same way I do, probably a big difference in playstyles here? Think the way they were pushing scorp to give actual content was pro-town rather than simply just piling on to him and them getting fired up arguing with scorp in 321 felt very genuine. 442 is an unobjectionable post as far as reads go but I want to see more solid stances (I realize this is perhaps hypocritical given my output so far, but also I don't care lmfao). Ihatethe dwlee read in 506 though, tnough to take away a townlean. Null.
Ehh, I can't get over my dislike of basically everything T3 posts, I know he can be jumpy as town but the way he mostly seems to be latching on to whatever someone else is pushing at that given moment skeeves me the hell out and nothing yet sells me that he has sincere conviction in any of his reads.
I actually took the time to examine that recently completed scumgame from Andante and I think she's pretty different here. In that other game she was frequently defensive and concerned mostly with attacking people, and just felt...irritable in all her posts. It could just be a change of circumstances in that she's under less pressure here but she just seems a lot more carefree and happy and is actually trying to work with people. Just as an example I don't think she bothers trying to break up me fighting with the worst if she's scum this game, having a big fight continue to rage is tremendously useful for scum and actually playing mediator the way she did is something scum rarely do, in my experience. It does alleviate some of the concerns I had with how she seemed to be glossing over posts or drawing hasty conclusions in a way that could have easily been scum faking reads, but there was a little bit of dynamicness to her thinking that seemed okay. Probably need to dig deeper into her reasoning but I'm all right with slotting her as town for the moment.
Went back and checked Natalya for 5 minutes and went "yep still town okay bye"
Oman contentwise has also beenfine, I felt sympathetic to them getting frustrated with the game but they seem to have fallen off a bit. Still like their earlier posts, though.
Despite me snapping at Scorp it feels like he's...trying? I feel way more sympathetic to his reads list after going over the game myself bcause it'shardto get a handle on anyone. I feel like he might be town who got off on the wrong foot and reacted badly to getting pushed. I put no confidence in this read.
Egix is...IDK. He's lurking hard, but 269 and 444 weren'tterrible? Concerned that he could be scum doing the bare minimum though.
Andres slips closer and closer to scum territory every time he shows up just to prodge and promise content to come soon™
Kind of eh on uglyduck, but I think if they come back and post more they'll be more readable.
It feels like I am completely unable to get much in he way of solid townreads and normally in a game on day 1 Ishouldhave a little more than that but it's just very hard for me so far, it feels a bit like everyone is in a staring contest or something and no one wants to be the one who blinks.
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Lol, okay.In post 622, Dwlee99 wrote:
Bandwagoning isn't a scum tell and I expect you to know thatIn post 615, Retti wrote:I'm not sure I really understand why people are townreading dwlee. Since replacing in they've essentially made a few naked bandwagon votes and that's it. Not seeing anything in the way of trying to actually solve people? I didn't really like the response to Natalya in 500 either, just felt overly defensive. Leaning scum.Happiness is like peeing in your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth-
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