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My friend was just telling me about how she met someone who’s dog died in front of her on the spot after eating a poisonous frog

My cats would probably last an hour in the wild. Too much fur, not enough street smarts. If we let them out at night they would get eaten by a coyote.

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So I should catch up

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KT is town

Is this a serious read?

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KT is town

Is this a serious read?

Nvm

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I've analyzed all the posts in the thread and even though only half the playerbase has checked in, I have determined the wolf team beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd tell you all who the wolves are, but that'd make the game unfun for everyone else, so I'll hold off for now.

Also, hello everyone!

Spoiler: disclaimer

the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" here means with probability exactly 1/220.

I’d take those odds tbf
KT is town for the response to schadd

is this a meta read?

not exactly
it's not KT meta, more just general expectation based on when I've made posts like the one KT did

I think that Gamma could be town for this too - this feels like a read that at least isn’t fake.

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

Oh schadd_'s here.

hmmm....

This is something I would expect to see from newbscum. But Seanzie isn’t a newbie. I do get Haschel’s vote, though.

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

I don't see the "hmmm..." post as suspicious, but the post telling us how suspicious it was isn't doing you any favors.

Unvote, Vote: Seanzie

it does show a certain kind of self-awareness I think scum are more likely to have
VOTE: Seanzie

Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

What about it is supposed to be suspicious?

I've seen wolves "hmm..." posts to make it look like they're thinking hard about something while not actually giving any takes, and they can later use that post to fit pretty much any narrative (i.e. if I was a wolf and later today I push Galron, I could be like "see, I suspected them all the way back here!" vs if I decide to townread them, I could be like "yeah, I thought a lot about them as early as this and decided they look townie!".

Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

What about it is supposed to be suspicious?

I've seen wolves "hmm..." posts to make it look like they're thinking hard about something while not actually giving any takes, and they can later use that post to fit pretty much any narrative (i.e. if I was a wolf and later today I push Galron, I could be like "see, I suspected them all the way back here!" vs if I decide to townread them, I could be like "yeah, I thought a lot about them as early as this and decided they look townie!".

why did you essentially decide to try a reaction test?
Also where have you seen scum do this sort of thing before?

It’s also not particularly good bait because no one had posted in the 2 hours between the posts.

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I didn’t mean to quote 54 and 55.

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VOTE: RedCardinal

Why do you think redcardinal’s read is fake? I don’t think that your post was obviously a RT.

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Home now. What's up?

Neat.

From what I remember, Galron was significantly more enthusiastic as town when I played with him. I also had a scum game with him, which I’ll review after I catch up.

This post feels like Galron is trying to act as ‘unfrozen’ as possible under the pressure.

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was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case

I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.

Fascinating. Does this make sense to anybody else?

Isn’t what Seanzie did a thing that happens a lot?

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honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?

what do you think of Galron?

first pick right now for scum. worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that. might just read some of his games and see if he's always this deep in his own head or if he does this as scum to obfuscate

Eh, this is not a good way to read someone IMO. It is barely 24 hours into the game and there are tons of NAI reasons someone could have only posted once by now. Smells more like feeling out LHF tbh.

I don’t like the way Seanzie defends himself here. Its like he’s explaining why the read is bad without actually talking to the person giving the read, in order to avoid creating conflict.

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was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case

I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.

Fascinating. Does this make sense to anybody else?

Isn’t what Seanzie did a thing that happens a lot?

A reaction test that ends after two hours for no reason with no reactions either way? No, to my knowledge it is not a thing that happens a lot.

Oh, I misunderstood what you were referring to.

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honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?

what do you think of Galron?

first pick right now for scum. worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that. might just read some of his games and see if he's always this deep in his own head or if he does this as scum to obfuscate

Eh, this is not a good way to read someone IMO. It is barely 24 hours into the game and there are tons of NAI reasons someone could have only posted once by now. Smells more like feeling out LHF tbh.

I don’t like the way Seanzie defends himself here. Its like he’s explaining why the read is bad without actually talking to the person giving the read, in order to avoid creating conflict.

I don't think you understand my post. I wasn't talking about myself there, but saying that Red's take on Fancypants being scummy because they had posted only once was bad and possibly them going after LHF (granted, they were actually talking about Galron, but that is a whole other story, my response was thinking they were talking about FancyPants).

Oh yeah I did not understand your post

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was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case

I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.

Fascinating. Does this make sense to anybody else?

i mean it is fascinating, an interesting study, but can be a town ploy to draw sus. or can be scum ploy to seem like town ploy to draw sus. idk, either way i sure hope Seanzie isn't going to whirlwind into me whenever i hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I think that the original “hmmmm” is NAI, but saying that no one called him sus 2 hours later is scum indicative.

That’s the conclusion I’ve arrived at but I’ll need to analyze more.

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honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?

By the by, while I'm interested in everyone's thoughts re: my last question, I'm particularly interested in a response from redcardinal and hope that it is in her next post.

everything but the reading people better when they push me bit. I can understand most of seanzie's explained thought process from a town pov, but the way he asks questions and explains his bait feels kind of fake, like scum that is too self aware and absorbed in their own play

I don’t like both of these posts. It feels like redcardinal is latching on to the scum self awareness tell but not doing real scumuunting. The second post is also questionable, but her claim of wanting to lim the lowest poster could just be a thing redcardinal believes.

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

you made a non-RVS galron vote here but dropped it to vote red before explaining.Why did you vote Galron here?

Their "oh Shodd's here" post looked like it could be trying to create a bad teammate interaction. Nothing strong, but latching onto weak things early on gets the game going.

Gut says that this is a townpost

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seanzie, my stance on you is leaning scum, since twice now you've made these kind of weird posts wondering why people aren't having specific responses to things you've said, as if you're very focused on how people are perceiving you in particular, moreso than I would expect town to be. I'm wavering a little though, because I think you might just be like that, and reading your other games isn't helping very much, so at this point I'd rather spend my time getting reads on other people

I strongly dislike this post - redcardinal is talking to Seanzie and accusing him while trying to be as non-confrontational as possible.

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I can't tell if gamma is confbiasing or wolf. Seems he decided I was scum after fewer than 10 words.

Not the first time though.

I really, really, really dislike Galron’s tone here. Like there’s not much of an attempt to defend himself, he just brushes it off while trying to not seem like he’s cracking under pressure.

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Galton made 7 posts in a row and they all said absolutely nothing, then he proceeded to.. "lol" when asked to give actual content?

Galton is exuding quite an impressive level of don't give a shit here. People have brought up other games of his: Is there any precedent for him acting this way?

Galron’s not giving a shit is just very fake and it seems like Galron is scum desperately trying to shake the ‘deer in headlights’ label that Gamma gave him. Just saying ‘Lol’ when asked to give reads is obviously not pro-town. The town thing to do here is to actually try and find reads?

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GAMMA
KITTY
CRESCENT
MALA

COMBINE

TO SUPER SAILOR SCOUTS

LETS LIM GALRON

ARROOOOOWROOLOOOO

Baa baa. VOTE: Galron

Lol

CAUGHT SCUM
CAUGHT SCUM
CAUGHT SCUM
CAUGHT SCUM
CAUGHT SCUMCAUGHT SCUMCAUGHT SCUMCAUGHT SCUMCAUGHT SCUMCAUGHT SCUM
CAUGHT SCUM

I mean I agree with the sentiment of the posts but I find the tonal shift odd. I don’t think that Galron’s post is scummy enough that it can elicit enough of an emotional reaction to make KT say this.

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yeah schadd_ whatever tbh. there's still plenty of time this game im not gonna sheep some1 on sheanzie or galron just to create the illusion that i think there is enough evidence for one of them being scum this early. i'll speak when i have something to say, rn i don't

UNVOTE: Fancy Pants

don't really think i should unvote, but maybe the replace is gonna have more to say than pants did. im out 4 now.

It is concerning that you don't have anything to say. There is plenty of stuff to form reads on by now.

not for me. stop telling me what to do. I play how I want. If you have any actual reason to scumread me, spill it. dont prevaricate and waste my eye time.

I can already see this is gonna be a frustrating game based on scumreads for low activity over a weekend. I stand by what I said, I have nothing to add rn. All i see are weak cases fielded for weak reasons and the concurrent weak responses. I'll form reads in my own time.

This reaction feels legit, I doubt that scum would retaliate against Seanzie’s post like this, and I don’t know if scum would think to talk about it being frustrating to form reads.

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As someone who townread Eiralox basically all game in 2273, the harshness of that reaction in #201 scumpinged me. It feels like it's getting very defensive to justify a lack of action instead of the more "whatever" reaction I'd expect. Like, I know I've been underwhelming in activity myself, but I also haven't felt the need to yell at other people to mask it.

What specifically in your other games made you think that aerial ox would have a whatever reaction? Did a similar situation arise?

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On the other hand, I invite you to push me.

trust me you don't want that.

L
The issue I have with her: I mention a group of people that's inactive, and one of them both quickly pops in and gets very defensive when questioned on their lack of content. That kind of defensiveness simply wasn't present in the personality of this player in 2273. She was angry a bunch, but not defensive.

Crescent, please read and see that I addressed my wake-up post at schadd_ specifically, who mentioned my inactivity before you did(And who's voting me with the erstwhile Pants). Your mention of me rang no bells.

What I want should be irrelevant. If you believe I'm scum, push me. If not, what are you wasting your breath about?

yeah schadd_ whatever tbh. there's still plenty of time this game im not gonna sheep some1 on sheanzie or galron just to create the illusion that i think there is enough evidence for one of them being scum this early. i'll speak when i have something to say, rn i don't

UNVOTE: Fancy Pants

don't really think i should unvote, but maybe the replace is gonna have more to say than pants did. im out 4 now.

It is concerning that you don't have anything to say. There is plenty of stuff to form reads on by now.

not for me. stop telling me what to do. I play how I want. If you have any actual reason to scumread me, spill it. dont prevaricate and waste my eye time.

I can already see this is gonna be a frustrating game based on scumreads for low activity over a weekend. I stand by what I said, I have nothing to add rn. All i see are weak cases fielded for weak reasons and the concurrent weak responses. I'll form reads in my own time.

I'm not telling you what to do, I'm giving my thoughts on what you've done.

See, this post suggests you didn't have time to form reads because of the weekend, but your last one it was because there wasn't enough content. Which one is it? Or is it just whatever excuse you can think of at the time?

lol i warn u not to push me, i can get like a badger. it was weekend, i was chill, i read through thread as time went on, saw nothing major, had no major reason to engage. rn im actually really not gonna add something for a while, i dont wanna, that's it. don't think im not wathcin' u tho, ur an interesting one.


this time out fo real imma got things 2 do

On the other hand, I invite you to push me. I can usually tell if you mean it or not, so it will help me get a read on a slot that otherwise seems committed to staying in the "contentless" area until they inevitably get PoE'd.

These posts seem quite performative, but I seem to recall Seanzie doing something similar in another game.

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I want to sit on galron for a few days and see what happens, give the people who haven't said much time to weigh in. galron, what's your take on seanzie?

I guess after thinking about it I can kind of see the reaction test thing but I'm still not sure why the "this is a non-RVS vote." It sounds almost like the latter was trying to distract from the former. But overall they're slightly townie I guess. I mean I can at least follow them to a point.

awesome, appreciate it how about kittytacky?

Kitty tacky hasn't done anything bt come in and call me scum so I don't know. Your enthusiasm is a little off-putting.

Galron talking about KT seems like S/S. Galron defends KT by slightly shading redcardinal, while his stated position on KT is still null. Galron also makes no attempt to analyze KT’s vote on him despite KT’s obviously questionable vote.

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Unvote

Leftover RVS vote

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Crescent repeatedly attempting to undermine the Galron wagon makes me think she could be scum, if Galron is but Sean/Eir isnt

I wouldn't say I've undermined the wagon, but I have questioned it. Three of the votes on that wagon are objectively very weak (Mala, Red, and Kitty), and the votes include 3 of the 4 lowest posters in the entire game.

And it's weird for you to jump to that conclusion because you know I question

everything

. You should know enough to be worried if I

didn't

question it.

The votes on Galron being lazy doesn’t mean that Galron isn’t scum. Galron could be scum and the votes are either bussing or lazy town, Galron could be town and the votes could be scum jumping on a wagon or lazy town. I do think that Galron is scum, and I think that KT is bussing Galron based on their interactions. The others votes on Galron aren’t necessarily AI.

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crescent looking real bad if galron flips scum

I think that Crescent’s caution comes from a town POV, especially because Crescent strikes me as the type of player to approach an early wagon in a measured way.

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I'm uncomfortable with how many townreads kt has and how little analysis is happening in any of his posts, but crescent is pinging the fuck out of me too and I don't know if this is scum on scum or what

Mala is doing the same thing, very little analysis and a lot of townreads. Do you think that Mala is scum for this too?

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gah fuck it's not alignment indicative though and honestly I believe you

I like redcardinal’s progression on Crescent here, I think scum would try to latch on to Crescent’s mixup. redcardinal’s emotion when saying “gah fuck it” also is believable.

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crescent looking real bad if galron flips scum

Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

not without your help

what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

Scummy string of posts

In what way? I get how the first post is scummy, but not really the rest.

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I'm uncomfortable with how many townreads kt has and how little analysis is happening in any of his posts, but crescent is pinging the fuck out of me too and I don't know if this is scum on scum or what

Mala is doing the same thing, very little analysis and a lot of townreads. Do you think that Mala is scum for this too?

I have no way to judge the seriousness of the townblocking attempts but yeah, I'm very uncomfy with mala

Got it. I think that Mala’s lack of content and large number of townreads is NAI, as Mala has been comparatively inactive. KT, on the other hand, has been actively scummy.

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This weird pushing on me smells like a chainsaw defense of Galron NGL.

My bullshit meter is going off the charts.

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You’re barely even pushing Galron, you posted an obviously performative vote on him a few days ago. If scum were going to chainsaw defend Galron, wouldn’t they just push someone who is going after Galron more aggressively?

Nah. I don’t believe you actually think that redcardinal is chainsawing you.

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You’re barely even pushing Galron, you posted an obviously performative vote on him a few days ago. If scum were going to chainsaw defend Galron, wouldn’t they just push someone who is going after Galron more aggressively?

Nah. I don’t believe you actually think that redcardinal is chainsawing you.

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Crescent repeatedly attempting to undermine the Galron wagon makes me think she could be scum, if Galron is but Sean/Eir isnt

I wouldn't say I've undermined the wagon, but I have questioned it. Three of the votes on that wagon are objectively very weak (Mala, Red, and Kitty), and the votes include 3 of the 4 lowest posters in the entire game.

And it's weird for you to jump to that conclusion because you know I question

everything

. You should know enough to be worried if I

didn't

question it.

The votes on Galron being lazy doesn’t mean that Galron isn’t scum. Galron could be scum and the votes are either bussing or lazy town, Galron could be town and the votes could be scum jumping on a wagon or lazy town. I do think that Galron is scum, and I think that KT is bussing Galron based on their interactions. The others votes on Galron aren’t necessarily AI.

Elaborate on those interactions then.

I already did.
(Namely, your performative vote and Galron supposedly nullreading you while discrediting your attacker at the same time)

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black blu n yellow frogs r so smexy wow

Did you know they are poison

Oh wait that’s a SNAKE

Who are your scum reads?

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T3 is like night and day from the last few times I played with them, but I'm guessing it is for NAI reasons (I'm assuming they aren't multitabing like 8 games right now).

Yeah. It’s also my first game in 8 months or so.

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the thing about it is i have this sinking feeling that this is like a townie who is thinking of punishing everyone for voting a low content slot, or like otherwise proceeding out of spite. one does have to consider that openly refusing to budge on or really address the large amt of people voting them, but (just to articulate it for myself!) i do get the strong feeling that they're scum who doesn't know where to go from here, maybe thinks something like "once i start having to pretend to scumhunt everybody is gonna use terms like 'TMI' and 'fake' at me and its gonna suck so bad". galron if youre scum that is probably true yes. and then also you just vote out people who dont play mafia

I'm just frustrated. GAmma is playing anti-town and no one has pointed it out. His stated reason for dogging me is for his personal satisfaction. I think town Gamma wants to hit a home run by calling his shot in his first post, before I even got here. It's clear to me. Scum gamma of course just wants me deadl but I don't think gamma is scum tbh. Gamma is seasoned enough scum not to ride a horse from starting line to finish. I mean I gave content in my very first post, a few fluff posts after that, and then I played straight up. Under the pressure of at least 8-9 people confbiasing me. Really I'm idle out doing something for 6-8 hours and I'm frozen? WTF is that. Do I think there are scum voting me? Yes. Here I am with a confirmable roll as shitty as it is, and I have 12 people scum reading me. So yeah I'm thinking nothing I say is going to make a difference. I don't care if I'm scumread. As I said I get scumread early and often. What pisses me off is there are only 2-3 players looking at this through some sort of objective lens. Mala and Kitty both stink here.

pedit: I'm at e-1 I'm a town backup neighbor. Do what you want with that.

Also crescent you've used the incorrect pronouns with at least two peple

Interesting. Backup Neighbor seems like an odd role.

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I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die

Wtf is up with you soloing me out

Ngl I like to townblock and then POE from there

So I got lots of towngutvibes

This seems like an overreaction. You’re being soloed out because you’ve barely posted anything of substance. And yes, I also like to townblock and then POE from there. But I actually justify my townreads?

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I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die

Wtf is up with you soloing me out

Ngl I like to townblock and then POE from there

So I got lots of towngutvibes

Why you got soloed out:

You had 8 posts, a guy you were voting was -1, and you've... Kinda contributed absolutely nothing outside of that vote.

Yeah, we’re on the same page here. If Galron is town, do you think that Mala should be limmed next?

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I would be very, very hesitant to stop pressuring Galron here. Backup Neighbor at this point isn’t an AI claim, nor is it a role that could have a lot of effect on the game.

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You don't seem to be doing a lot of Galron pushing after you started accusing me of bussing.

I do want to hear where this thought comes from, as just last night he went after me because he misread my posts and thought I was defending him.

ooooooh if this is referring to me my pronouns are she/her

I think it's referring to me.

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

Seanzie town, Crescent town, Mala slightly town. Gamma probably town too.

Why am I town?

Gut and your response to pressure.

Good nyaight.

What was townie about my response to pressure?

It smelled very townie.

Remember when you said that you don’t like to read based on guy

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You don't seem to be doing a lot of Galron pushing after you started accusing me of bussing.

I do want to hear where this thought comes from, as just last night he went after me because he misread my posts and thought I was defending him.

ooooooh if this is referring to me my pronouns are she/her

I think it's referring to me.

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

Seanzie town, Crescent town, Mala slightly town. Gamma probably town too.

Why am I town?

Gut and your response to pressure.

Good nyaight.

What was townie about my response to pressure?

It smelled very townie.

Remember when you said that you don’t like to read based on gut

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You’re barely even pushing Galron, you posted an obviously performative vote on him a few days ago. If scum were going to chainsaw defend Galron, wouldn’t they just push someone who is going after Galron more aggressively?

Nah. I don’t believe you actually think that redcardinal is chainsawing you.

"Barely pushing" WTF are you talking about.

Also I mostly got mad at red because of their really annoying tone so I said things I didn't mean to say.

There’s a difference between actively campaigning to get someone limmed and just scumreading them.

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Alright, I’m (finally ) caught up.

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I don’t have much of a read on Haschel or schadd_. I’m going to read through Galron’s ISO in my scumgame with him.

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Spoiler: Galron’s reaction as scum to being pressured in another game

VOTE: galron
what happened to him

VOTE: galron

VOTE: galron

I’m pretty sure Galron’s one of the slots I townbinned earlier, so please don’t

what has galron done that's actually helpful besides ask a bunch of questions

VOTE: galron
what happened to him

VOTE: galron

VOTE: galron

I’m pretty sure Galron’s one of the slots I townbinned earlier, so please don’t

Why is Galron towny?

This may or may not be coincidental.

VOTE: galron lol

Don't call me. I'll call you.

VOTE: galron
Fork it, I was floundering for reasons to TR him D1 and I know from LN 235 that tends to be a bad sign

That's E-2.

My vote makes it E-1.

Claim time, tick tock.

Tick tock.

Odd-night gunsmith. Checked Roden.

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I just read through his ISO after being pressured as a Town Follower, and to this I say

intent to hammer

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Spoiler: this

Hoopla, why am I a better vote than RFS right now?

And then skirting answers with nm? I was pretty direct. I did ask him to reciprocate though.

Well, like I said before, RFS is where you should be voting. He is coasting. There have been two engagements that I can remember, one with bob and one with notsci, and neither were particularly favorable to him, at least that's the impression I have at this moment. Both Bob and Notscience came out of those looking better to me.

I'm guilty of being reactive, I'll fully admit that. I was thinking about what Una said, and I'm wondering if he's talking about me addressing posts but not going back and checking my facts, because I do that a lot. I really haven't felt the motivation to do that this game. So when I say that Isis said someone was towny, but I don't remember who, I don't go back and look to see who that was, unless I'm in a catch-up or run across it. Maybe that's what Una meant by me addressing posts but not really addressing posts -- I don't know. I think I said before I need to read this game -- I think that would help.

BTW, I think notscience is going into my town reads after his latest unvote on RFS and then vote on Bella. I disagree with the votes themselves, but the way he went about them I thought was towny.

Oh, I meant to say galron has like 50% more posts than me but I think most people could name like...three people I'm townreading and two I'm scum reading and I just can't do that with his iso.

I scrolled back a bit in my ISO and stopped at 1246 and 1247, where I indicated I had a couple of Town reads and a couple of scum reads and then lamented that I didn't have more TRs. From then to my recent exchange with NM, I made several posts with town reads. Makes me wonder if you really looked at my ISO at all.
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A sinking feeling about someone else.

And this was the thing I didn't want to bring up myself until you were at E-1, but since you pointed at it again..
You are talking about me here, right? And even if you aren't - why not make it more obvious to everyone right away?
Because that would be the townier course of action, and considering you WERE one vote away from being lynched, you should always out everything you have in your mind at the time.
OR did you KNOW someone was going to unvote anyway? Or at least not hammer you away quickly?

Was I at E-1? Are my math skills really that off this game? Apparently geraintm and you need to fix me straight.

I see you corrected yourself, but you found another theory to fit your narrative.

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There’s way more engagement with the push in the town game than the scum game and this game.

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In the town game, Galron acknowledges why he has been scumread “I admit I was reactive” but here he just completely brushes off Gamma’s push.

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When he was a Town Follower he brushed around the fact that he was a Follower and was very hesitant to claim, meanwhile in this game and the scum game he was very eager to use his claim as a get out of jail free card.

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okay I mean I know why it's because he's scum
enchant, want some time to read the thread or do you wanna read it at night?

I don't plan to read, unless there's something important you want me to show.

Hammer Galron for us pls

Why not.
I’m ~95% sure he’s scum after the meta dive.

VOTE: Galron

[T3]

Is Crescent someone who is usually fearkilled or something?

VOTE: Seanzie

[T3]

Crescent: I smell a setup in which Seanzie is scum if KT is town
*Crescent dies*
Seanzie: Hmm, maybe Crescent was fear killed?

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Crescent: I smell a setup in which Seanzie is scum if KT is town
*Crescent dies*
Seanzie: Hmm, maybe Crescent was fear killed?

Basically, Seanzie TMI’d about the nightkill in his first post of the day

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Crescent: I smell a setup in which Seanzie is scum if KT is town
*Crescent dies*
Seanzie: Hmm, maybe Crescent was fear killed?

Basically, Seanzie TMI’d about the nightkill in his first post of the day

If you're calling this TMI, I think maybe you don't know what fearkilling is. What I was asking is if Crescent has a strong enough reputation that they often get killed in the first few days of the game because scum is afraid to play against them.

Perhaps a better accusation you can make against me is that I could have been trying to get control of the narrative around a kill that I made because of Crescent's reads, but alas, that just isn't the world we live in.

Never mind ignore anything and everything I said UNVOTE:

[T3]

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

no

No as in “I don’t think it’s best if I explain?” Or no as in “I don’t feel like explaining?”

[T3]

I reread last night and I came up with a light townread on Haschel because his questioning of Seanzie and UDKG seemed genuine.

[T3]

I don’t think Eiralox’s vote is necessarily scummy but I do want them to respond.

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Actually let's start here.

Vote: UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

.

why UD?

Crescent was wishywashy about the Galron wagon, but KiriGiri used her limited posts to try and stop the momentum on it.

I doubt that scum UDKG would believe that they could derail the Galron wagon at that point with that little posts.

[T3]

I feel like UD genuinely believed her read there
Meanwhile I think someone like Seanzie is more sus for voting Galron and then immediately unvoting following the claim

This is especially true given that Crescent suspected Seanzie for the unvote and then died.

[T3]

I feel like UD genuinely believed her read there
Meanwhile I think someone like Seanzie is more sus for voting Galron and then immediately unvoting following the claim

Can you quote exactly which post you feel UD genuinely believes? Because looking at their ISO, I don't really get the feeling that you could call any of those posts overly genuine-feeling.

I think there’s been a miscommunication here. Seanzie automatically assumed that Gamma had an emotional reaction to UDKG’s posts and as a results called Gamma’s read fake, meanwhile Gamma actually had a logical reason to townread UDKG.

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Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

This post seems genuine, it’s like Gamma went back and looked at UDKG’s ISO and gave it some more thought and this post stood out to him.

[T3]

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

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Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

This post seems genuine, it’s like Gamma went back and looked at UDKG’s ISO and gave it some more thought and this post stood out to him.

The issue I have with this is that this is when I asked Gamma to go quote what post they felt was genuine from UDKG, and instead of bringing back that post, they brought back this one, which felt a lot like Gamma COULDN'T make a case that one of the posts were particuarly genuine-feeling, so instead tryed to shift attention away from that by bringing this up, and only after me asking a second time for where the felt UDKG was being genuine did they THEN go back and find that other post. I feel like if I wouldn't have pressed them the second time, they would have let the whole "UDKG felt genuine" thing slip away since they didn't have a good explanation for it.

That’s fair. I am hesitant to scumread Gamma for this because I do agree with Gamma’s stated reasoning.

[T3]

VOTE: eiralox

Why are you voting Eiralox?

umm i didnt really stop thinking they were wolfy yesterday & i also thought their eod1 pop in was a bit of a performance

What do you think about the Gamma/Seanzie interaction?

[T3]

Is Crescent someone who is usually fearkilled or something?

VOTE: Seanzie

Well, hello to you too.

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

This is quite defensive btw

Asking someone to explain a naked vote isn't defensive, try again wolfo.

This was my exact reaction to Gamma’s post too. It seems like Gamma is relying on all of the town credit he received from limming Galron in order to dismiss all of the accusations against him.

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Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

Nah, you already quoted the post you claimed was an "ever-so-genuine" read from UD about Galron, and it wasn't about Galron. You lied, and you've been caught. Sorry, try again next time.

I already explained why that post from UD related to Galron, so you continuing this line of bullshit indicates you a) are scum who didn’t need to actually process my logic in order to continue blaring how scummy you think I am, b) you deliberately chose to ignore it and instead tout your own arrogant incorrectness or c) you simply lack the reading skills to understand my elaborate thought process.

I did deliberately choose to ignore it because I think it is you trying to weasel your way out of a lie. I do not believe in any world that your post about UDKG's genuine-sounding take was the one you quoted. I have to do mental gymnastics to make that make sense, and IME when i have to do mental gymnastics after asking someone to quote one of 7 posts and them taking a long time to quote said post and giving a convoluted way to try to spin it to make sense with what they said, they're usually just a lying wolf.

I do get why UDKG’s post was about Galron - scum UDKG would not push Mala there because it would draw suspicion towards them after Galron would inevitably flip.

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Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

I can see a world in which Seanzie is scum trying to set you up as a viable mislim later. At the same time, I agree with some of his points.

I don’t know. I’m going to reread.

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

As I called out before: this was never explained and comes across as an early-game distancing voted given the short-lived nature of it and aforementioned lack of reasoning.

It was actually explained once someone asked, thanks though;)

Where was this btw

I think it was but I completely forgot where.

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Having reread through the Seanzie/Gamma interaction, I think that Gamma comes off worse? Some of Seanzie’s points are actually valid, and Gamma’s defending feels a lot more than upset scum than upset town.

At the same time, I just can’t really bring myself to scumread Gamma. I don’t think that his push on Galron was fake, based on what other people have said.

[T3]

eiralox and gamma are scummy as fuck right now, aside from that I want to know what's going on with KT today bc crescent and I both saw scum/scum kt/galron, and crescent's fuckin dead so

Yeah, I’m not comfortable wagoning Seanzie or Gamma right now.
VOTE: KT
I don’t think Eiralox is necessarily scum for their naked vote on Seanzie and their refusal to explain, but their explanation will very much affect my read of them.

[T3]

Gonna read more later today

[T3]

What do you think about the Gamma/Seanzie interaction?

seanzie i've felt was town for a long time & it seemed like they had fully natural townie impulses that led them into the argument. gamma i don't know how i end up on; it seems like she is really convinced she ought to seem town from d1, which seems to drive her activity today, but knowing her it's pretty possible she ends up feeling that way while not being town. i still kind of don't get why she brought up the galron post in 514, like theres a baseline weirdness of quoting a specific post that (as far as you know) isn't relevant to what is going on. allow me to demonstrate:

mmmm VOTE: Eiralox

interesting vote ...

anyway it would make sense conceptually that she sees the claim and starts to iso galron about it, but in that case i think she would maybe say something to that effect when questioned about the post instead of just swatting it away as misrepresentative. anyway i don't really lend a lot of credence to this sort of thing in general but thats what im thinking. yes there's a pretty compelling amount of cross talk btwn her and galron that seems a bit unaligned, and i guess she pushed him a lot and stuff

I see. Claiming to be obvious town after doing something is something I’ve done before as scum (in the game with the 3 rooms and 3 scum, I forgot what it was called). I also remember I bussed my partners in that game.

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you mean like thinking critically about a slot i had at that time no particular reason to believe was town

I find this assertion outlandish. You mean to tell me nothing in my play townpinged you?

i forget. probably not very strongly. the thing was that you were pushing really hard on somebody, which i tend to think is town, but you were doing it very loudly from a kind of scant basis

This observation seems genuine, especially the part where schadd says that he forgot. I read through schadd’s ISO during the night and I remember getting a similar feeling from some of his other posts.

[T3]

I've come around to removing Gamma and Mala from my scum pool based solely on the flip. Seanzie and red cardinal are actually there for me as well:

Granted when looking for this post, I did see that you actually responded to UDKG's post there saying she was preflipping Galron town, which does actually kind of give me pause on the whole "genuine" thing. I'll think on it.

I think Seanzie was passionate about their bad read on me and probably on Gamma too. I believe Seanzie's passion caused them to become tunneled and miss Gamma's post where Gamma answered Seanzie's question. I believe scum!Seanzie would be less passionate and therefore less tunneled, causing them to notice Gamma's post and react emotionally to it. Seanzie doesn't react to Gamma's post, which I'm reading as AI.


VOTE: Haschel

Haschel is my best guess for scum:

lol i warn u not to push me, i can get like a badger.

If anything this is a reason

to

push you.

Not a huge fan of how your take on Galron is basically "Galron is a land of contrasts", btw.

Gamma, you want to elaborate on why Seanzie is in your proposed scumtrio?

what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

Very similar to yours; in fact your post 379 sums it up perfectly. The interactions between Crescent and Garlon are why I was pressing Garlon about Crescent in the first place.

Now, Crescent's post here:

I'm a pot stirrer, and my primary drive is to gather data because that is how I function. I think these votes need to be pressured sooner rather than later because it gives us the most accurate data, and doing it day 2 after a flip and 48+ hours to think dilutes the results.

[...]

But also one of the biggest reasons I barely vote is most people are so vote happy that I find my general lack of voting helps add balance to the game. I don't believe I need to place a vote to pressure someone, and I will dog people who dodge my questions.

...is exactly the sort of thing I enjoy because I play that way, so I'm certainly willing to see where Crescent is going with all this for now. But if she believes the wagon on Garlon is suspicious, then I certainly hope she increases the pressure because right now for all her talk it's not as much as I would prefer to see.

In 392 Haschel is trying to pocket red cardinal by pumping them up and creating an Us vs Them narrative. Haschel is also setting up for a potential vote change onto Crescent. I think Haschel's behavior here is AI as scum and their communication with red cardinal indicates red cardinal is town.

There's even more to note from 392

:

Haschel is implying they think Crescent might be a great

town

player. Remember that Crescent is describing scumhunting tactics when Haschel implies Crescent said a lot of good things. I think Haschel is most likely out of all of us to nightkill Crescent out of respect for their Town game, despite what they say later:

The Crescent kill is an odd one, tbh; I was expecting to start pressuring her based on the Galron flip and I assume redcardinal was going to do the same,

I think 673 is a hard scum tell for commenting about the night kill without providing any actual analysis. I believe it's even worse in light of 392 where Haschel indicates an implied awareness and respect for Crescent's scumhunting tactics.

What do you think about the Seaznie/Gamma interaction?

[T3]

oh yeah as long as we're here do you remember, like, why you made post 514

Galron claimed he gave content in his first post, I questioned it

I know my most recent post was a bit after this, but I didnt see this before that, and I don't do the PEDIT thing or whatever it is y'all do here.

I'm actually pretty satisfied by this response. Carry on.

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

How about no?
Seanzie’s presentation of that is incredibly disingenuous. I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim but it was actually right after.. If it was a while back I’d understand the thought process that it was setting up Galron’s claim for later, but in proper context it feels like it should be obvious that was my genuine take on what looked like something outlandish. And claiming I was aiming to back off Galron grossly misrepresents my actual movement there, which is to say it suggests there was any movement at all! I didn’t unvote Galron while I was questioning his crumbing tendency as scum, and I in fact doubled down on pushing Galron using meta!

Do not fall for Seanzie’s shallow lies.

I'm also sus of people accusing me of bussing. But you first.

Why are you suspicious of the people accusing you of bussing? Do you think that all of their points are entirely invalid and made up by scum?

[T3]

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

How about no?
Seanzie’s presentation of that is incredibly disingenuous. I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim but it was actually right after.. If it was a while back I’d understand the thought process that it was setting up Galron’s claim for later, but in proper context it feels like it should be obvious that was my genuine take on what looked like something outlandish. And claiming I was aiming to back off Galron grossly misrepresents my actual movement there, which is to say it suggests there was any movement at all! I didn’t unvote Galron while I was questioning his crumbing tendency as scum, and I in fact doubled down on pushing Galron using meta!

Do not fall for Seanzie’s shallow lies.

I'm also sus of people accusing me of bussing. But you first.

Why are you suspicious of the people accusing you of bussing? Do you think that all of their points are entirely invalid and made up by scum?

Phoneposting is hard

[T3]

After thinking more on Gamma, I kind of feel similarly to something Schadd said in that Gamma's steadfast assertion that they should be obvtown does more often come from town than scum. In the moment, some of these arguments scumpinged me because I don't think Gamma's assertions that they should be clear town are actually convincing, but I get that feeling sometimes where I'm like "I am fookin' towning it up right now, and if you know what to look for, I should be obvious". I don't know what to look for, so it isn't obvious, but that thought process is towny. I do want to hear their answer's to Schadd regarding that post I quoted (because if that was actually Gamma/Galron t/s, that was like some crazy timing for bringing an RVS vote weird post up that was super relevant to Galron's claim when Gamma did).

In other news, T3 is pretty much a weathervane flame fanner throughout the entire Seanzie/Gamma spat in a way that pings me badly. I felt pretty good about them D1, but I also know they are just super different than any time I've seen them before, and so idk if they can create good content while tryharding wolf since I've never seen them tryhard as either alignment.

I really just am not sure if either of you is scum, that’s why I ended up voting KT

[T3]

In other news, T3 is pretty much a weathervane flame fanner throughout the entire Seanzie/Gamma spat in a way that pings me badly. I felt pretty good about them D1, but I also know they are just super different than any time I've seen them before, and so idk if they can create good content while tryharding wolf since I've never seen them tryhard as either alignment.

the same T3 who hammered Galron after you put them at e-1?

soooooo,,,,,,,,,,,,,, wow ok.

What point are you trying to make by saying that I hammered Galron?

[T3]

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

no

No as in “I don’t think it’s best if I explain?” Or no as in “I don’t feel like explaining?”

Eiralox

can you please answer this.

[T3]

Gamma bby do u want me to sheep u here too

Not yet.
UNVOTE:
I think I’m falling into the RadiantCowbells pit of getting distracted by people pushing me that it hampers my scumhunting.

This seems like town self-awareness. I doubt scum steps back here, especially because Seanzie had several votes.

[T3]

Idk what you’re trying to say here

"I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim" is you saying you thought you had quoted Galron's first post a while before they had claimed, at least as far as I can tell.

You then say to Schadd that you quoted that post specifically because Galron mentioned content in their first post.

Galron mentioned content in their first post in the same post that they claimed.

How could you think that you quoted Galron's first post a while before Galron claimed when Galron's claim-post is the post that you are saying led you to quote Galron's first post? Like being a little forgetful about something is okay, but that's kind of a weird "Oh let me look into Galron's ISO because of their claim, but let me forget that this was about their claim" moment.

I'm not just "a little" forgetful. Especially early I can just not be feeling the game and make dumb errors like that. That is NAI for me, I am stupid as town too.

I think I have heard KT describe himself as forgetful before but that was months ago so I don’t remember the context.

[T3]

I gotta say I really want to see more from enchant

I don’t think Enchant’s lack of content is AI, given my experience with him. I’ll have to look more at his meta, though.

[T3]

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

How about no?
Seanzie’s presentation of that is incredibly disingenuous. I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim but it was actually right after.. If it was a while back I’d understand the thought process that it was setting up Galron’s claim for later, but in proper context it feels like it should be obvious that was my genuine take on what looked like something outlandish. And claiming I was aiming to back off Galron grossly misrepresents my actual movement there, which is to say it suggests there was any movement at all! I didn’t unvote Galron while I was questioning his crumbing tendency as scum, and I in fact doubled down on pushing Galron using meta!

Do not fall for Seanzie’s shallow lies.

I'm also sus of people accusing me of bussing. But you first.

I'm assuming this is in response to my question. Explain these points in your own words, please. What makes me sus? You can reiterate Gamma's arguments, but I want to hear YOUR takes on Gamma's arguments.

My take is that I basically got mindmelded with Gamma. Her posts were basically what I wanted to say to case you and I see no point in reiterating them.

Oooorrr... your a wolf trying to borrow a case from a townie, and are scared to try to hash out your own takes on those events because everyone will see right through it. One or the other;)

I had like one town game in which I had a mind meld with someone and I locked them as town and I was right, then I proceeded to overuse the mind meld tell in all of my scum games in order to pocket people and it worked.

[T3]

Actually I just realized that I should UNVOTE: KT. I’ll say why later.

[T3]

i guess a lot of their posting seems to try to insulate against anyone following up on them and/or them being obligated to follow up on much of what they say

Yeah. I really want Eiralox to answer my question about their vote on Seanzie.

[T3]

VOTE: Eiralox
Please can we throw this man into the pits of hell

[T3]

I asked Eiralox why they voted Seanzie and there was no response whatsoever, Eiralox just unvotes Seanzie.,

[T3]

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

no

No as in “I don’t think it’s best if I explain?” Or no as in “I don’t feel like explaining?”

I don’t think Eiralox’s vote is necessarily scummy but I do want them to respond.

eiralox and gamma are scummy as fuck right now, aside from that I want to know what's going on with KT today bc crescent and I both saw scum/scum kt/galron, and crescent's fuckin dead so

Yeah, I’m not comfortable wagoning Seanzie or Gamma right now.
VOTE: KT
I don’t think Eiralox is necessarily scum for their naked vote on Seanzie and their refusal to explain, but their explanation will very much affect my read of them.

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

no

No as in “I don’t think it’s best if I explain?” Or no as in “I don’t feel like explaining?”

Eiralox

can you please answer this.

i guess a lot of their posting seems to try to insulate against anyone following up on them and/or them being obligated to follow up on much of what they say

Yeah. I really want Eiralox to answer my question about their vote on Seanzie.

[T3]

I mentioned it

five times

and yet Eiralox makes no mention of it. If Eiralox was actually reading through the game and scumhunting, then they would have answered.

[T3]

if you brought it up, it's something you're aware of and thus able to subvert

How would I "subvert" something I do as a consequence of my poor tonal acumen that I do as BOTH alignments?

I suppose redcardinal is trying to say that it’s something that is under your control.

[T3]

Oh is this the game crescent died N1
Carry on

Woops

X.x

This is NAI.

p-edit: can confirm

[T3]

Oh is this the game crescent died N1
Carry on

Woops

X.x

fake

mala big scum

Mala’s multi-gaming 3 games right now, I can see how town!Mala could get mixed up, I could also see how scum!Mala could think to fake it.

[T3]

t3 where should my vote be right now between eiralox and kt?

I have not caught up yet.

[T3]

I'm coming under pressure so I'll claim. I'm a PR and that's why I played shiftily. I'm a Town Roleblocker (no gates) and I blocked schadd_ the previous night.

The Gamma/Seanzie interactions are a slog and while I think both of them are town I also think that they should both feel bad for making us all read that.

I don't think Gamma's 739...

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

...is a great point, which makes it weird to see KittyTacky cite it as one of the points he agrees with.

Okay that makes some sense
Who did you expect would be killed?

T3. T3 checked the boxes of 1) Reasonably active, 2) Decent posts, and 3) Absolutely nobody expressing any suspicion of them so eliminating them keeps the viable lim pool as wide as possible.

that kill idea tracks
and yeh kittytacky is kinda where my suspicions land because I also think he is trying to argue a mindmeld that doesn't make sense, I think 739 makes sense at least fmpov, but KT citing it as a mindmeld point is not sensible given that.
plus, crescent kill could be one he sees as beneficial, I was TR kittytacky yday, crescent was thinking he could be SvS w galron, there was the seanzie read that kinda supplanted that but I TR Senazie now so the next spot my thoughts fall on the crescent kill is KT
VOTE: kittytacky

I would like more clear stances from schadd rn tho

Explain why it doesn't make sense as a mindmeld. Also, I don't push perfectly salvageable teammates as scum day 1.

Why would you claim now? You’re not at E-1.

[T3]

Crescent was killed to frame me IMHO.

Why specifically Crescent? There were many others scumreading you.

[T3]

I mentioned it

five times

and yet Eiralox makes no mention of it. If Eiralox was actually reading through the game and scumhunting, then they would have answered.

VOTE: Eiralox
Please can we throw this man into the pits of hell

eiralox when would you say your best solving occurs?

when i got a solid reason to push someone ill push someone. and i dont do meta nor self meta or whatever one would call it so for me to give an honest answer here based on divergent circumstance and investment wuld be folly. rn i simply dont like seanzies tone, i think seanzie wuld be some1 who anna kill cres(gut), an yeah i got nothing else to add. dont have a scum case here imma bugle about but seanzie,,,,, galron thing,,, eh idk my vote stays.

@Eiralox

y r u still voting sean?

i mean for now? cos it feels nice i guess. instinct tells me seanzie is scum but my eyes see posts that def can be townie. mostly seanzie's attitude just abrades my brain idk i guess some ppl just tick me off.

actually no UNVOTE: Seanzie


can always change back but rn ive been flirting around with this game 2 much. ill vote when i have a case. imma re-re-read d1 with cres flip in mind like whenever, that might be enlightening.

methinks uve not ben reading btw. just cos i dont wanna answer ur watery attempts at engagement doesnt mean i never gave any answer. like uve been the only townlean for me end d1 but rn T3 uve done the absurd and joined thos voting me for........ well lite reasons let's say. the only vote on me that il humor rn and say doesnt feel full scum is Schadd_'s cos at least they have the excuse that theyve been building to it. not that i townread schadd more than u. may seanzie has a point bout u? idk. all i know is feeling neglected cos i dont wanna answer your redundancies is not the best of reasons voting me. i suggest ya'll start building cases, and this counts double for Giri and Kitty, as i said above, worse 2 votes on me(one of them might be self-pressing scum at this point im feeling, with kitty having more incentive to self-pres, giri... with herschel... not so much but still this is the first time Kiri looks at me this game and it starts with a vote cos i dont do these early readlist things. whats the point if yall still so sus?

I wasn’t interested in your specific reasons for voting Seanzie. I don’t like the way Eiralox says that Seanzie might have a point, Eiralox is casting doubt on me without really engaging with what I’m saying in good faith.

[T3]

so rn i would really like to have a more comprehensive reason for ur vote on me.

I'm voting you because I asked for a reads list and you posted a joke list.

Eiralox’s refusal to post a read list isn’t scummy in itself

[T3]

@T3 I'll reply later

@T3 actually no. see above. i just read ur post, and yeah see above.

Are we on the same page or do I have a completely wrong theory

[T3]

Alright I’m keeping my vote on Eiralox.

[T3]

kt's claim reads fake to me my vote stays where it is

I have never seen a Town Roleblocker, and I have seen many Mafia Roleblockers.

[T3]

I'm a PR and that's why I played shiftily.

what did you do to play shiftily?

Yeah actually, KT saying that he played shiftily also seems fake. Why does KT make super ‘hammy’ posts that are sure to draw attention to himself if he’s truly not trying to draw attention to himself.

[T3]

kt's claim reads fake to me my vote stays where it is

I have never seen a Town Roleblocker, and I have seen many Mafia Roleblockers.

this feels like a weird thought
town roleblocker is absolutely possible, why would your own history with it matter? this feels like gambler's fallacy

also pardon me if I'm in a bit of a sour mood rn

I’m thinking of this in terms of normal game meta. Town Roleblocker is definitely possible, though.

[T3]

i very marginally think kirigiri is town but would probably end up with them as a top suspect if you flipped town. i do think you are mafia

I agree with your read of UDKG - they haven’t done anything scummy and only done a little bit that is slightly towny but this is because of extremely low posting. I am interested to hear what the replacement has to say.

[T3]

t3 where should my vote be right now between eiralox and kt?

I have not caught up yet.

I’m caught up to here. I don’t think I want to lim KT today because of the claim, but I also don’t believe it that much.

[T3]

I'm coming under pressure so I'll claim. I'm a PR and that's why I played shiftily. I'm a Town Roleblocker (no gates) and I blocked schadd_ the previous night.

The Gamma/Seanzie interactions are a slog and while I think both of them are town I also think that they should both feel bad for making us all read that.

I don't think Gamma's 739...

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

...is a great point, which makes it weird to see KittyTacky cite it as one of the points he agrees with.

Okay that makes some sense
Who did you expect would be killed?

T3. T3 checked the boxes of 1) Reasonably active, 2) Decent posts, and 3) Absolutely nobody expressing any suspicion of them so eliminating them keeps the viable lim pool as wide as possible.

that kill idea tracks
and yeh kittytacky is kinda where my suspicions land because I also think he is trying to argue a mindmeld that doesn't make sense, I think 739 makes sense at least fmpov, but KT citing it as a mindmeld point is not sensible given that.
plus, crescent kill could be one he sees as beneficial, I was TR kittytacky yday, crescent was thinking he could be SvS w galron, there was the seanzie read that kinda supplanted that but I TR Senazie now so the next spot my thoughts fall on the crescent kill is KT
VOTE: kittytacky

I would like more clear stances from schadd rn tho

Explain why it doesn't make sense as a mindmeld. Also, I don't push perfectly salvageable teammates as scum day 1.

Why would you claim now? You’re not at E-1.

Nothing I could have done to stop myself from being run up to E-1. I was sinking.

That’s fair. I was behind 5 or so pages at that point but I could still see the posts on my page after I had posted so I had it in my mind that the Eiralox wagon had lots of momentum and it looked like you were just claiming out of the blue.

[T3]

who would you have killed n1 haschel?

Haschel previously said that he thought I was the likeliest kill N1.

[T3]

also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?

no

also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?

I think you should be probing other people rather than just sussing easy options.

yes.


i;m off 2 town today, l dont hav tim for big posts rn. anothr vote without a case fml. rn imma say i feel town on schadd and t3..... red....... nah. they felt town but theres a weasely opportunism here i dont like.

and dont think i missed redcardinal scumreading haschl after i started to shift to Kiri. something's up here.

First I’m lean town, then Seanzie might have a point about me, then I’m lean town again, then I’m scum. Nah.

[T3]

have a good one eira. you and haschel maybe for last two scum

that being said wher tf is haschel lol? eh i gotta life se yall.

Idk if scum!Eira draws attention to scum!Haschel like this, though.

[T3]

There are only two worthy votes on me: T3 and Schadd_ . Both have valid reasons and I townread them for it.

Spoiler:

[T3]

First four pages and my main takeaway is that Seanzie is obvtown

Why? This is very rarely a reaction someone who doesn't know me has.

I don't get the sense that you are trying to achieve anything that scum wants to achieve in your early posting. Specifically I get no indication that you earnestly want to convince me you're town, and I believe your actions are attempts at finding scum.

Do you think that Seanzie is town because of the ‘hmm’ post and explanation, or is it a gut reaction/something different?

[T3]

Crescent was killed to frame me IMHO.

Why specifically Crescent? There were many others scumreading you.

Well they could have killed another of the S/S accusers and it would have still been a frame so I don't see your point.

What I’m asking is: Why do you think that Crescent was killed over the other people scumreading you?

[T3]

I did a little bit of rereading and schadd has sunk like a stone in my read list

[T3]

have you played with galron

Where are you headed with this?

schadd questions the validity of Mala’s vote on Galron, but what threw me off is Galron asking schadd where he is headed with questioning Mala. It should be obvious that schadd is just trying to understand where Mala’s vote is coming from, but for some reason Galron questions that? So this post is throwing me off.

i could vote gal

i do also think eiralox is a wolf, who i'm voting rn

Gamma really starts heavily pushing Galron, and Galron responds with his ‘Lol’s’. schadd acknowledges that Galron is scummy, but then deflects attention from Galron by talking about Eiralox. He then says that he doesn’t see how Eiralox is inquisitive, but can the exact same thing not be said about Galron?

i think i')l vote galrpn in like 3 days if it keeps being the same song & dance

the thing about it is i have this sinking feeling that this is like a townie who is thinking of punishing everyone for voting a low content slot, or like otherwise proceeding out of spite. one does have to consider that openly refusing to budge on or really address the large amt of people voting them, but (just to articulate it for myself!) i do get the strong feeling that they're scum who doesn't know where to go from here, maybe thinks something like "once i start having to pretend to scumhunt everybody is gonna use terms like 'TMI' and 'fake' at me and its gonna suck so bad". galron if youre scum that is probably true yes. and then also you just vote out people who dont play mafia

Yet again does schadd express a scumread on Galron and then immediately expressed doubt on his read of Galron.

ok then yeah what did that mala post even mean. no i haven't used backup neighbor seems like a silly role

Casting doubt on Galron’s claim without actually putting Galron in immediate danger of being hammered.

[T3]

hmmm before i continue my paddlings down the bogs of despair ill so the above from seanzie ... egh i also agreed with cres later re: gal and trigger-happiness so for now imma shift that post to not enough data bin, cos rn tbh seanzie rubs my brain the wriong way. its nothing personal i guess its just their general tone pings me the entire time so even if theyre town its like my gut resists. but well see hopefully i reach some sorta mega-unifying apotheosis soon

Read Seanzie’s previous games to see if that tone presents itself there too, maybe?

[T3]

You know what? Let’s try this: VOTE: schadd[/c]

[T3]

My gut really likes Eiralox’s recent posts, it feels like Eiralox’s isn’t acting with any kind of agenda and their reads are genuine.

[T3]

I THINK GAMMA TOWN

Why?

[T3]

I do agree that Eiralox’s progression on me and schadd is pretty terrible but I did like their recent posting. When I’ve slept for more than a few hours I’ll analyze Eiralox’s posts more in depth.

[T3]

schadd does seem awfully calm for someone 30% sure they’re going to play a nightmarish day 3.

[T3]

and like whats the point of that. do i have to keep typing like my hair is on fire for the rest of the post?

That’s fair.

[T3]

this game is getting into the hell state where activity is increasing and i can’t bring myself to engage with the posts

[T3]

*decreasing

[T3]

I take back my schadd scumread. Schadd's walls seem very town to me.

I have pored over schadd’s wall and haven’t been able to form a read on it, so what about it is very town to you?

[T3]

I’m pretty sure my vote was on schadd but I was popping in the thread to vote Eiralox anyways so VOTE: eiralox

More specifically, it seemed like Eiralox was expressing fake emotion over schadd’s scumread on then. I had this post typed up a few hours ago but then I exited out of it and lost it.

[T3]

I’m not seeing redcardinal scum at all, but I did townread redcardinal a bit from yesterday.

[T3]

More thoughts coming tomorrow

[T3]

I take back my schadd scumread. Schadd's walls seem very town to me.

I have pored over schadd’s wall and haven’t been able to form a read on it, so what about it is very town to you?

The reasoning seems town-motivated.

But what specific reasons?

[T3]

enchant and mala being so comfortably town for gamma is concerning, though moreso with enchant, since I can at least buy that town gamma would think an interaction that she already believes confirms her would also confirm mala, though the confidence is disconcerting. I read the game gamma mentioned and I really don't buy it at all that enchant is behaving like he did in that terminator game, plus enchant just straight up refuses to engage meaningfully. Klick doesn't read comfortably towny to me either, though that has everything to do with detective's play and nothing to do with klick's. you schadd have gone from null to scum to town in my books, and decently so at this point. as little as I trust kt's roleblock claim it is true that you got a partial confirm from that which is something detached from whatever circles I might think myself into, big plus the way you talk about people in your more recent larger posts seem more engaged with particular people rather than the pure focus on eiralox and general game commentary, was pretty much exactly what I wanted from my vote on you

I don’t think Gamma’s townread on Enchant is concerning, whether right or wrong. I can see where Gamma is coming from and the only scum motivation for it is pocketing, but that doesn’t make sense either because Enchant isn’t widely townread.

[T3]

I’m pretty sure my vote was on schadd but I was popping in the thread to vote Eiralox anyways so VOTE: eiralox

More specifically, it seemed like Eiralox was expressing fake emotion over schadd’s scumread on then. I had this post typed up a few hours ago but then I exited out of it and lost it.

wow u criticize me being watery on u and schadd but fuck u being watery on me here now, quite distinctly recall u feeling town on me like less than 24 hrs ago. this isnt maybe cos haschel's post? or ...

cos ur scum with redcardinal. ill explore that avenue, when i did cardinal reading the player after Klick most likely paired there is you, T3. t3 and cardinal been backing each other up in various ways this game, but rn meh

There’s a difference between changing reads based on available information and changing reads to promote a narrative.

[T3]

enchant and mala being so comfortably town for gamma is concerning, though moreso with enchant, since I can at least buy that town gamma would think an interaction that she already believes confirms her would also confirm mala, though the confidence is disconcerting. I read the game gamma mentioned and I really don't buy it at all that enchant is behaving like he did in that terminator game, plus enchant just straight up refuses to engage meaningfully. Klick doesn't read comfortably towny to me either, though that has everything to do with detective's play and nothing to do with klick's. you schadd have gone from null to scum to town in my books, and decently so at this point. as little as I trust kt's roleblock claim it is true that you got a partial confirm from that which is something detached from whatever circles I might think myself into, big plus the way you talk about people in your more recent larger posts seem more engaged with particular people rather than the pure focus on eiralox and general game commentary, was pretty much exactly what I wanted from my vote on you

I don’t think Gamma’s townread on Enchant is concerning, whether right or wrong. I can see where Gamma is coming from and the only scum motivation for it is pocketing, but that doesn’t make sense either because Enchant isn’t widely townread.

pocketing is even more effective imo if the person you're pocketing isn't widely townread. also I do

not

see where gamma is coming from, it's weird

I’m saying that scum!Gamma pocketing town!Enchant doesn’t make a lot of sense because there isn’t much from Enchant to townread and Enchant is a likely mislim.

[T3]

I’m pretty sure my vote was on schadd but I was popping in the thread to vote Eiralox anyways so VOTE: eiralox

More specifically, it seemed like Eiralox was expressing fake emotion over schadd’s scumread on then. I had this post typed up a few hours ago but then I exited out of it and lost it.

wow u criticize me being watery on u and schadd but fuck u being watery on me here now, quite distinctly recall u feeling town on me like less than 24 hrs ago. this isnt maybe cos haschel's post? or ...

cos ur scum with redcardinal. ill explore that avenue, when i did cardinal reading the player after Klick most likely paired there is you, T3. t3 and cardinal been backing each other up in various ways this game, but rn meh

There’s a difference between changing reads based on available information and changing reads to promote a narrative.

booho pull on amnother one. it's either redcardinal/haschel or redcardional/t3. Im betting on the former like way more but im way past this ego-bouncing shitshow. so kill me, don't kill me, i don't really care anymore. so long as my flip can show town where the scum, is lol. and u t3, im also done engaging with u, same as haschel, schadd and seanzie. like im stepping out for a bit. i might even arse myself to read this but for a while im not gonna post.


i mean if scum isnt obvious to u at this point T3 don't blame me for including you as a possibility. cos rn your my no. 3 choice.

“If scum isn’t obvious to me”
There are many other people who don’t scumread redcardinal

[T3]

Why target Schadd?

I did. Why target Schadd?

oh my fucking life. this is my last post before i go.


WHY DO YOU THINK SHERLOCK!

I wish i had two votes so i could vote 4 u 2. U been off the grid and u come back and ur bascially: yeah still klikc but eira is fake empotion so we kill there. ur so unimpressive.

Can you ask a dumber question?

Im getting mean here. Im fucking done. Ill interAct with u if u got something smart 2 ask or say.

Literally why is this ai for Haschel

[T3]

I also open to vote Haschel.

Again, why does this make Haschel scum

[T3]

Votecount 2.8

redcardinal (4)

- Enchant, Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, Eiralox

Eiralox (3)

- schadd_, T3, Seanzie

KittyTacky (1)

- redcardinal

Klick (1)

- Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting (2)

- KittyTacky, Klick

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-08 12:11:33).

Mod notes

Please let me know if you notice any errors!

redcardinal is at E-2.

Why is redcardinal being limmed what

[T3]

I get why Haschel’s explanation doesn’t make sense, but that doesn’t make him scum.

[T3]

Also Haschel was absent for most of the day.

[T3]

You know what?
UNVOTE: Eiralox
I did a bit of rereading through your ISO and I do think that you genuinely suspect rc and haschel.

[T3]

@haschel @redcardinal what ya'll thin about DetectiveKirGiri, and KittyTacky after the roleblocker claim?

Mostly because of this. I don’t see why scum you who had previously posted very little would start pushing redcardinal and Haschel, that draws a lot of attention and didn’t make much sense at the time.

[T3]

I don’t really know if the good outweighs the bad for Eiralox, tbh

Looking at Eiralox’s posts where they mention redcardinal, I disagree with their read on redcardinal, but I think the way Eiralox presents their read on redcardinal is towny. On the other hand, Eiralox’s progression on me and schadd doesn’t make sense and is quite scummy. I also don’t buy the rolecop claim after the fake hammer.

[T3]

this is the last time I'm doing this today, going back and forth is exhausting

Selfvote for free relaxing time.

Do you have a reads list?

[T3]

The problem with Eiralox’s case is that all of redcardinal’s votes make sense given the context, except maybe 1176. I also townread redcardinal for separate reasons from Day 1.

[T3]

EBWOP 1178 not 1176.

[T3]

Vote: Eiralox

. His play doesn't explain why he targeted Schadd, he hasn't been playing today in a way that suggests he knows Schadd is vanilla, and he's aggressively refusing to give any explanation that could reconcile those.

What about Eiralox’s play has made you think that Eiralox hasn’t been treating schadd like he’s vanilla?

[T3]

I'm having a problem with reading schadd where I have zero read on what his potential is as scum. Right now I'm vaguely leaning town on him but he's in the special category of someone that I don't think I'm going to get a confident read on at all.

schadd said earlier that he has not rolled scum since 2018.

[T3]

VOTE: Eiralox
E-1.

[T3]

I still don’t have much of a read on Mala

[T3]

I didn’t pay attention to Mala for much of the day but every time Mala makes a post I realize that Mala exists and I start trying to read her and then can’t.

[T3]

Please hammer

[T3]

[T3]

If Eiralox flips scum there’s no way Enchant is scum.

[T3]

hang on a second are you joking? I don't think there's a normal role that can make a mason appear as a vt when they die

Uh

[T3]

Oh I guess you don’t often play normals. Yeah, Mala is joking.

[T3]

I suppose that Mala must have had an extremely strong tr on Gamma since the start of the game?

[T3]

UNVOTE: gamma

kay that was easy. I got my first town read curteosy of page 2

omegalul
I'm viewing myself and Malakittens as conftown for how Galron interacted w us

Yes bby good job on the galron call

Good job.

Votecount 2.1

Seanzie (2)

- Eiralox, Gamma Emerald

Eiralox (1)

- schadd_

Gamma Emerald (1)

- Seanzie

UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri (1)

- Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting (6)

- Enchant, KittyTacky, Malakittens, redcardinal, T3, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-08 12:11:33).

Mod notes

Please let me know if you notice any errors!

For some reason known not even to me, I put Gamma Emerald twice in the last votecount instead of Malakittens. This has been corrected.

We all know gamma holds my vote, that’s why you did that

Gamma bby do u want me to sheep u here too

Also not that it really changes my read on you, but curious tho why aren’t you even remotely concerned or sus of me buddying the crap out of you?

Well during D1 I was just glad to have the vote, and atp Galron’s wack beetlejuicing accusation feels like good reason to TR you.

Gotcha

Spoiler: “gamma only”

You know we have to post comments like that to throw the mafia off the scent we are mason buddies ;)

Also not that it really changes my read on you, but curious tho why aren’t you even remotely concerned or sus of me buddying the crap out of you?

But then what the heck are these posts

[T3]

Before anything happens we need to know who KT blocked.

If KT is town, KT not dying either suggests that scum had reasons to kill Gamma that trumps killing a claimed PR, or they didn’t think that KT would be a problem for them as KT would be unlikely to block them. I don’t think these are mutually exclusive.

OR

KT is scum.

Idk which is the most likely option. I do scumread KT independent of his claim, but I am hesitant to lim KT.

[T3]

I still have very little of a read on Mala, but I get bad vibes after seeing the Gamma flip. I’m gonna reread Gamma’s ISO a bit more after I get out of this hellish thunderstorm.

[T3]

Gamma Emerald
Malakittens
T3

Seanzie
Enchant
Klick

KittyTacky
Eiralox

Haschel Cedricson

schadd_
redcardinal

this is kinda how I feel rn
idea for the groupings is lock town, solid town, okay town, meh, scum

VOTE: redcard

I don’t think Enchant or Klick kill Gamma here.

[T3]

So clearly I need to re-evaluate this game pretty hard. Sorry Eira.

Terrible post.

Why the fuck i hammered

Stupidest decision in my life.

... Okay, second worst decision in my life.

Even more terrible posts. The echants reek of forced-posts.

Also I have to figure out my thoughts on redcardinal.
I’m trying to figure out if that reaction could come from new-scum or not

Bbl

Listening to sin wagon right before I volly then off to the gym and then to work VICIOUSCYCLE

How are these posts forced? I don’t see the tone of the posts as forced at all.

[T3]

I guess the actual content of the posts could be seen as forced, but I usually find it NAI.

[T3]

If I was scum I would've known about what prs were in the mafia and wouldn't have responded like that. Unless you think I'm capable of faking the reaction, in which case you'd have to have a pretty high opinion of my ability to trick you, which I do not believe that you genuinely do. unvote or be scum simple as

What specific reaction are you talking about?

[T3]

Before anything happens we need to know who KT blocked.

This could be agenda.

That just seems like common sense?

[T3]

Before anything happens we need to know who KT blocked.

This could be agenda.

That just seems like common sense?

I mean, discouraging discussion prior to KT's claim doesn't make sense to me. If they meant that we shouldn't hammer anyone beforehand, then like, yes? But also that goes without saying. Especially since a town roleblocker can't actually clear with two scum alive, while it is info that should be shared, it isn't info worth waiting in anticipation for.

I interpreted Haschel’s post as him saying people shouldn’t be hammered/wagoned quickly.

[T3]

If I was scum I would've known about what prs were in the mafia and wouldn't have responded like that. Unless you think I'm capable of faking the reaction, in which case you'd have to have a pretty high opinion of my ability to trick you, which I do not believe that you genuinely do. unvote or be scum simple as

What specific reaction are you talking about?

my response to the joke about masons

Do you mind spelling it out for me because I still don’t think I understand. You’re saying that you as scum would have known Mala’s mason claim was fake?

[T3]

Like the way I see 1380 right now is that you’re saying that scum!you would have known scum!Mala wasn’t mason?

[T3]

my PoE was schadd, haschel, klick, and mala. just did a dive on them and klick/mala and haschel/schadd were the potential scumteams I could think of. THEN I REMEMBERED eiralox copped schadd n1! I think it's very possible mafia has prs to compensate for rolecop + roleblocker but I think this is a solve, klick/mala is game

This sudden revelation screams genuine scumhunting.

[T3]

Like the way I see 1380 right now is that you’re saying that scum!you would have known scum!Mala wasn’t mason?

scum!me would have known that there were no mafia prs that could have made gamma show up as vanilla

But what if it’s a town PR that makes Gamma show up as vanilla? Or a thing with Mala’s role?

[T3]

eiralox returning vanilla on schadd is a further indicator that schadd is town bc mafia likely have prs beyond just an informed

We only know of the existence of one town PR. You’re treating KT as if he is guaranteed town.

[T3]

Assuming that KT is town, we still don’t know what other PR’s are in the setup. There could be some other super powerful roles, or there could be just some weak roles.

A Town Rolecop and a Town Roleblocker are quite weak, I don’t think that Mafia would have much compensation for them, if any.

I don’t think I’ve explained this well, my thought process feels convoluted.

[T3]

Alright I'm all caught up

Here's where I'm currently at on people individually:

TOWN
Klick
Seanzie
Malakittens
T3

???
Enchant
KittyTacky
schadd_
Haschel

Likely Scum
redcardinal

I feel slightly worse about Haschel than I do about the other null players. However, the theory currently running around in my head is redcardinal/schadd_:

Votecount 2.7

Eiralox (3)

- schadd_, Klick, T3

Klick (2)

- Haschel Cedricson, redcardinal

schadd_ (2)

- Gamma Emerald, Malakittens

KittyTacky (1)

- Seanzie

redcardinal (1)

- Enchant

Not Voting (2)

- Eiralox, KittyTacky

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-08 12:11:33).

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redcardinal's push on my slot came as the Eiralox wagon picked up steam, and the way rc pushed the vote on me felt motivated. I feel like pushing me at the time rc did is pretty poor optically, unless she's trying to achieve something. And the something I think she was trying to achieve was pulling potential pressure away from a schadd_ wagon.

I can expand more on this later but work now.
VOTE: redcardinal

Why do you townread me?

[T3]

Is it just the 2 posts of mine that you commented on?

[T3]

A Town Rolecop and a Town Roleblocker are quite weak

Bullshit

They are not weak

Yes…. I think they are? At least compared to other PR’s. I doubt scum would have compensation for them. I think schadd is a pretty experienced mod, so I’d be interested in his input.

[T3]

VOTE: Klick

Is this because of redcardinal’s solve?

[T3]

What is that something else? Also, Klick hasn’t posted since you requested he towncase redcardinal?

[T3]

Fair.
I think I’ll VOTE: Enchant for now.

[T3]

Honestly, I don’t think I was thinking too clearly. Very little sleep, plus I was very distracted when writing that post.

[T3]

Enchant is just someone random in my PoE

[T3]

UNVOTE: Enchant
My reads are barely changing. There’s a part of me that just wants to vote redcardinal despite my townread on her just to see where that gets me. At the same time, my only actual scumread is KT, a claimed PR.

[T3]

I can see how someone would think it could be faked but yeah, my initial impression was the hammer yesterday seemed hesitant in a towny kind of way

I didn’t get that impression at all. Either way, I don’t know if I want to vote Enchant today.

[T3]

UNVOTE: Enchant
My reads are barely changing. There’s a part of me that just wants to vote redcardinal despite my townread on her just to see where that gets me. At the same time, my only actual scumread is KT, a claimed PR.

Out of the people who aren't you, me, RC, KT and Enchant, who do you think is towniest, and who scummiest? Preferably with reasons, but names would suffice here.

Mala. I don’t like her posts about Gamma, they feel very strange and not genuine. I also don’t understand her read on KT.
Then schadd. I still think my case on him is valid, and then he made a massive wall on the wagon against him that I couldn’t make out. I haven’t given him much mental attention since.
Next is Haschel. There was one of his posts a while ago that I didn’t like, a few that I liked, but he’s posted way too little for me to have a good read on his content.
Finally, we have Klick. He never answered 1064, and his answer may affect my read on him. Other than that, his read on Seanzie seems genuine. His response to redcardinal is also towny. While Klick doesn’t strike me as the type of player to overreact to a push, his response to the wagon on him isn’t defensive at all. He just calmly explains his playstyle. Also, Klick has been scumreading redcardinal pretty much since he replaced in, long before redcardinal was a viable wagon.

[T3]

Like the way I see 1380 right now is that you’re saying that scum!you would have known scum!Mala wasn’t mason?

scum!me would have known that there were no mafia prs that could have made gamma show up as vanilla

But what if it’s a town PR that makes Gamma show up as vanilla? Or a thing with Mala’s role?

No such PR in normal games.

Redcardinal's solve makes sense.
VOTE: Klick

1. I know there is no such PR in normal games, I was questioning why redcardinal didn’t consider a town PR to cause Gamma to flip VT.

2. VOTE: KT
This is just bad opportunism.

[T3]

What if I don’t think Klick is mafia

[T3]

But I’m also really bored

[T3]

What doesn’t sit right is KT sheeting redcardinal

[T3]

Why?

KT not offering any content today other than this and defending himself

What doesn’t sit right is KT sheeting redcardinal

What does "sheeting" mean?

Sheeping, autocorrect.

[T3]

Also it's normal for Kitty.

Not offering any content or reads and just sheeping someone?

[T3]

I don’t think scum KT calls attention to scum schadd though

[T3]

Also it's normal for Kitty.

Not offering any content or reads and just sheeping someone?

Yeah.

…link?

[T3]

Why?

KT not offering any content today other than this and defending himself

What doesn’t sit right is KT sheeting redcardinal

What does "sheeting" mean?

Sheeping, autocorrect.

I just don't have much to say?

But there’s stuff that’s happened today.

[T3]

Votecount 1.8

Galron (6)

- Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, redcardinal, Haschel Cedricson, KittyTacky, Seanzie

Crescent (1)

- Galron

Eiralox (1)

- schadd_

Malakittens (1)

- UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

Seanzie (1)

- EATEROFTIME

Not Voting (3)

- Crescent, Eiralox, T3

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-06 01:33:48).

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Behold, more frogs.

Galron is at E-1.

This is one VC but it's the fifth one in a row with 5+ votes on Galron and no other wagon with 3+ votes.

UNVOTE:

I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die

redcardinal unvotes and lightly pressures Mala

UNVOTE: Galron

VOTE: KittyTacky

VOTE: malakittens

redcardinal sees a chance to kill the Galron wagon momentum, votes Mala (a reasonable choice to go for a miselim probably? No one but Gamma seems to townread Mala at this point)

This then goes nowhere

Votecount 1.10

Galron (7)

- Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, Haschel Cedricson, KittyTacky, redcardinal, Seanzie, T3

Malakittens (1)

- UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

Crescent (1)

- Galron

Eiralox (1)

- schadd_

Seanzie (1)

- Enchant

Not Voting (2)

- Crescent, Eiralox

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-06 01:33:48).

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and redcardinal makes sure to get her vote back on Galron before the wagon gets hammered.

I do get what you’re saying about redcardinal’s interactions with Galron, but redcardinal has many other reasons to be townread.

[T3]

But KT is town.

i guess we don't get to like know why

[T3]

Enchant probably doesn’t night kill Gamma
redcardinal’s solve (while I do think it is correct) seems like a genuine thought process

[T3]

Also redcardinal’s re-evaluation on Mala from Day 1 was genuine + overall vibes

[T3]

I highly highly highly doubt Haschel is lying.

[T3]

Okay? But Galron can be informed of anything. There’s nothing saying that Galron was informed that there is a non consecutive night doctor, he could have just as easily be informed that there’s a Town Rolecop, or that there is a Town Roleblocker (assuming KT isn’t lying).

[T3]

VOTE: Seanzie

What if Galron

was

informed that there is non consecutive night doctor and Seanzie is his partner TMI’ing it.