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VOTE: Titus
Time to throw some hands."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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Get ready to 1v1*sharpens claws*
RC, I'll give you a solid townread the whole game if you sheeped me in voting Titus.
Same offer goes to talah and Frozen."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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In post 7, talah wrote:
That seems like an odd way to go about business considering the sequence of events.
Have you got a scumread on Titus now based on her response to your first post where no-one else had posted? Or are you just wanting to sort her?
Also I could have voted Titus for the return-vote had I wanted to at the time, but I didn't (same as I could have asked RC if I'd wanted at the time why Frozen Angel was a better unposted player to "thaw" than ICEninja).
As it is - I'm happy to get a wagon up on Frozen Angel if that's possible and try to sort a player I haven't played with before. There's nothing stopping you from having a conversation with Titus if you're looking to sort her (in fact, that was the reason I wanted to leave you two alone to joust), otherwise I'd like to hear about the scumread you've got.
My 2 posts in RVS were reaction posts. I wasn't serious about what I said, but what I was going to respond to.
I gave you a perfectly good opportunity to get townread and instead you analyzed my post and tried to talk to me about it.
That infers to me that you'd rather not get townread as long as you're solving this game.
I see that as highly town-motivated.
As for Titus, I am trying to sort her. The only games where we're both town is when we're bitching each other out. Her reaction wasn't too serious, but it wasn't too defensive. I have a slight gut town lean on that, but that could change quickly.
Do you have a case on FA?
In post 10, A Simple Plan wrote:Fuck me, I'm gonna confuse Taly and Talah way too much this game.
VOTE: Johnny
You know why.
Scum said this in the first game of talah and I together...
In post 35, RadiantCowbells wrote:I like FA for town atm <3
And your vote is on her, because...?
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Extra Notes
I feel like FA's defense would more likely come from newbtown... My gut says the thought is genuine, though I can see the argument against it.
Plus, it is towny since RC, FA, and talah didn't just train Titus just for my read. FYI - in most circumstances, sheeping is null in my book - at best.
Titus wrote:In post 17, talah wrote:In post 13, Frozen Angel wrote: very nice reasoning to make a wagon SO fast SO early ... So your saying we should lynch whoever we don't played before to just sort them out ...
2 votes is the start of a wagon, sure. Wagonning to get reads is fine until there's something better.
Yeah I'd lynch you at this point. Especially if you have nothing better to contribute than a counter-vote on RC, considering there have been several other things happening.
Edit: hi Titus btw. You scum this game? How am I gonna know...?
Sort me... While I sleep.
But yeah, Titus engaging with us would be helpful...
>Also, is ABR, and Johnny alive? 40 posts in and no life signs...."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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In post 43, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Man y'all talked a lot while I wasn't here. talah get less wordy, I had to stop myself from skimming.
VOTE: Wickan first post was shit. Others should vote here as well.
First, what do you think about RC townreading FA with his vote still there? What do you think about FA and talah's back and forth?
Tbh - I'm OK with the RC wagon atm, but I want to hear his response.
I can also do Wickan.... But one post isn't very convincing.
In post 43, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@talah how often are you accused of going too hard too fast? (teehee) Also don't say butthurt it makes you look 13
The sole thing that makes me unsure of talah is that she wasn't this quick to get serious and thoughtful in our town game - then again, that town game was an open that happened almost 5 months ago. So I don't think this holds a lot of water.
In post 43, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@Taly why Bells, talah, and Frozen specifically?
They were the first half to post after me?
I wasn't going to wait until after RVS before trying to get reactions; plus in my post, I was engaging with 4 other people - Titus included. So the likelihood that scum was amongst them was decent but not probable. Since talah sheeped RC, I wanted to see if anyone would sheep me on Titus if I townread them with no problem.(Which I wouldn't, if nobody has pieced it together, yet.)
Basically, my RVS posts were to get reactions and I just took things as they came in terms of who did what.
In the end, the only 2 people I wasn't sure of are Titus and RC. Titus for reasons since she hasn't really provided anything serious yet, and RC because....
Yeah, I have a helluva time trying to read RC; I wasn't lying about that in the previous game when we were both mafia together.
Frozen Angel wrote:vote who? I already voted him...
I think he meant Wickan"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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In retrospect, 39 wasn't very pleasant either.
Wickan, why do you call out FA for covering up her issue with talah but then you vote on RC? I'm not getting a game-solve vibe from you?
It's also a little embarrassing that I still have my RVS vote up...
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wickan
@talah: I interpreted the townread offer by Titus to be completely in jest
Are you referring to me or Titus...?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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In post 54, JohnnyFarrar wrote:woops new page
In post 50, Taly wrote:First, what do you think about RC townreading FA with his vote still there?
Happens. Is there something scummy in there or does it just look funny to you?
Mostly funny - Unsure of what to think of FA and RC's interactions together atm...
What do you think about FA's vote on Wickan?
In post 55, Frozen Angel wrote:yep that's actually an interesting case ...
VOTE: Wickan in L3
need to see his reaction about this wagon , first ...
@JohnnyFarrar why am I making you nervous?
Actually, it's L-2 since Ice was the initial vote."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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In post 60, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 57, Taly wrote:What do you think about FA's vote on Wickan?
Same as yours, too easy. Not gonna fight it right now though because I want this wagon.
Well, it's not like keeping my RVS vote up is helping... Especially since I explained its purpose. >_>
In post 55, Frozen Angel wrote:yep that's actually an interesting case ...
VOTE: Wickan in L3
need to see his reaction about this wagon , first ...
@JohnnyFarrar why am I making you nervous?
Where did the drop on your talah push came from?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Hold the phone, people.
In post 39, Wickan wrote:In post 11, ICEninja wrote:Well, usually I'm *that* guy that goes in deep on the first page or two but looks like we've got someone already doing it for me. Awesome. Gives me a chance to say "hello" to the handful of players here who I recognize from the old days.
Vote Wickan. How is it scum motivated to push for information gathering regardless of what page it is?
Scum isn't necessarily. I interpreted that post by Talah as being completely serious, and to the extent it was serious I found it to be trying to find information where there was pretty clearly none. It felt to me like making a mountain out of a molehill.
@talah: I interpreted the townread offer by Titus to be completely in jest. Just normal mafia jabbering. It's not clear to me that that in particular points either way.
In post 31, Frozen Angel wrote:I clearly said I have no problems with your[talah's]vote. your tone in the other hand , don't seems like town
This is just plain not true. You did have problems with talah's vote; you thought (like I did) that they were making a serious vote off of obviously RVS/spam material (cf 15 22). I dislike that you try to cover this up.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
In post 62, Frozen Angel wrote:What drop on talah push? she is in my list for now .
I'm not allowed to have 2 scum reads ?
Frozen Angel wrote:yep that's actually an interesting case ...
VOTE: Wickan in L3
need to see his reaction about this wagon , first ...
@JohnnyFarrar why am I making you nervous?
Am I the only one that feels really weird looking at these posts together? Titus, give me some thoughts here.
FA, didn't expect you to question John's suspicion of you while you comply to the wagon; because somehow John's suspicion on Wicked outweighs your initial push against talah?
UNVOTE:
I'm not going to give anyone the satisfaction of putting someone to L-1 this early in the game.
Concerning Wickan's wagon, he hasn't even posted yet and he has enough votes if half of the reasoning against him is just to pressure....
I'll keep my vote for a bit, I want to see RC respond first to his suspicion and my question before I assert it once again."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 69, ICEninja wrote:Alright so page 1 starts off with a bang. There are a few innocent RVS remarks, and talah goes hard, presumably to spark discussion early, which prompts Wickan's vote.
As I've stated, I don't like Wickan's vote because while talah looks to be sparking discussion, Wickan seems to find sparking discussion scummy. He responded to my vote saying:
Wickan wrote:
Scum isn't necessarily. I interpreted that post by Talah as being completely serious, and to the extent it was serious I found it to be trying to find information where there was pretty clearly none. It felt to me like making a mountain out of a molehill.
While I somewhat understand this mindset, it seems a bit weak.
The back and forward between talah and Frozen gives me a town on town vibe, but I'm not sure. Frozen is kind of all over the place and seems difficult to read. As of right now talah definitely feels like he is posting with the most pro-town mindset, actively looking to expose scum.
In post 69, ICEninja wrote:The thing that's the most interesting to me is how Wickan's wagon got going hard super fast, to L-1.
1)Wickan's wagon NEVER reached L-1. It was at L-2. It's 6 to lynch. Good start off to showing us to how much attention you're paying.
In post 69, ICEninja wrote:Johnny's push makes total sense and I like his vote, but Taly and Frozen Angel hopped on SUPER fast.
2)If you read 53 - then you would know that I had - in part - some of my own reasoning on jumping onto Wickan's wagon.
In post 69, ICEninja wrote:The way the wagon stormed ahead really feels like scum got opportunistic and hopped on, and it really looks like either Taly or Frozen.
3)Oh look. Dichotomies. Since you want to say that one must be scum -
Look at the vote order: See mine coming first?
In post 69, ICEninja wrote:Taly's post 66 looks like scum realizing this and backing out before getting caught too soon.
Ow! And yet I'm voted anyway........ Darn. Must try harder next time.
But yeah, what about my unvote is being "realizing that I could get caught"?
4)Tbh, I unvoted to avoid someone pushing the wagon to L-1. Apparently I'm scum for decelerating the wagon but it's super scummy of how much speed it obtained?
I don't understand what you think is scummy?
In post 69, ICEninja wrote:That combined with Frozen seeming more likely town than scum in the 1v1 with talah means Taly is probscum.
Unvote, vote Taly.
More emphasis on the dichotomies -
Plus, half of this post is spent on talah, FA, and Wickan in the first 30 posts of the game.
You're emphasizing my posts the past 20 - not the posts I've made up until this point.
Furthermore, my vote on Wickan isn't exactly a surprise. I stated in 50 that I found RC and Wickan to be suspect but I wasn't entirely sure of which to pursue - I wanted RC to respond, and I looked back at Wickan's 39 to see if there was anything that I missed - since that was his second post so far in the game.
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I am not fond of Ice's catch-up post if that wasn't obvious. I would like for him to reply to my questions and assertions.
RC posted.... 70 does not look like scum-RC... It seems more thoughtful rather than pushing somewhere to get something.
Somewhat like someone else who is being FoSed in this game for being disorganized.
I feel like this could be referring to me?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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What am I reading...
I'm being called opportunistic for my jump on Wickan's wagon.
Now apparently - my unvote is weird, too?
In post 80, ICEninja wrote:I apologize for the large number of quotes. There were many small things that needed responding to.
Taly wrote:
Wickan's wagon NEVER reached L-1. It was at L-2. It's 6 to lynch. Good start off to showing us to how much attention you're paying.
You are correct, my miscount. There are 10 people in this game. Where is ABR?
I actually think if ABR is purposely lurking it could be a scum-tell... You know... given that the mod confirmed on the first post that mafia did have 72 hours of daytalk.
I doubt the most active people in this game are scum.
In post 80, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
If you read 53 - then you would know that I had - in part - some of my own reasoning on jumping onto Wickan's wagon.
This doesn't dispute the fact that the timing of your vote was opportunistic.
And FA's wasn't? Because you did say that the speed of Wickan's wagon was fast given that FA and I voted.
Plus, did you not read my post links? I already stated before that I was considering the Wickan wagon - even before John prompted to put the vote there.
In post 80, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
Oh look. Dichotomies. Since you want to say that one must be scum -
Dichotomies...are you sure you understand what that word means? You also twist my words pretty hard. Underlined for emphasis:
I'm detecting some condescension here and I'm not town-reading it.
If you're going to target my vote specifically and say that I'm scum versus looking at the entire argument - including the people you involved in your initial push (FA) - then don't dismiss what I'm trying to say as if I don't what I'm talking about because the basis of your push seem narrow-sided.
In post 80, ICEninja wrote:What Taly implied I said wrote:
Since you want to say thatone must bescum -
What ICEninja actually said wrote:
The way the wagon stormed aheadreally feels likescum got opportunistic and hopped on
Definitely feels like you're trying to misrepresent my point here. I never said that one or the other has to be scum, and I never said only one of you could be scum. I was explaining my line of reasoning for voting you as opposed to the other person who could have potentially been the opportunistic scum to jump on a wagon.
Oh... So now you're referring back to that "scum" - not singularly saying that I'm probably scum versus FA who looked more town, right?
The way the wagon stormed ahead really feels like scum got opportunistic and hopped on, and itreally looks like either TalyorFrozen
That combined withFrozen seeming more likely town than scum in the 1v1 with talah means Taly is probscum.
Dichotomies in this context - means division. You said that I'm either - more likely scum than FA, or the scum itself.
If you're meaning that FA's vote too could have been scum - then why am I being referred to as being opportunistic when:
1)My vote on Wickan wasn't random.
2)It wasn't entirely sheeping.
3)When I still asked questions to get a better stance of the situations even after my vote was placed?
In post 80, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
Apparently I'm scum for decelerating the wagon but it's super scummy of how much speed it obtained?
Also responding to Wickan here. It reads to me like you realized how fast this wagon formed on someone and removed your vote because keeping your vote there would make you look bad if he flips town (and if you're scum you probably know he would).
Actually another possible theory I just had. Based on this...
Mod wrote:
People with night talk will have 72 hours to get accustomed to another.
it looks like scum have 3 days of daytalk?
Mod, can you confirm that this means scum have 72 hours of day talk during D1?
With that in mind, it looks like these two could even be scum buddies with Wickan saying, via daytalk, "whoa dude don't bus me this early in the game I'm L-2". That explains the unvote just as well as Taly realizing the vote was dangerous to make as scum.
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Are you really going to associate me with the person whose wagon I hopped on
And then you're going to cast suspicion on them too?
JohnnyFarrar wrote:As of post 35 I don't think anyone had expressed thinking Frozen was town yet. Am I wrong?
Tbh, I still hold a slight town lean on FA. But this is a volatile read.
I didn't really like their vote on Wickan; though I would want them to respond to some of the current posts right now. I get a vibe from them that spells out GENUINE. It's a gut read too, though."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 89, JohnnyFarrar wrote:The organization of that post is weirding me out.
Who's thisIn post 87, Taly wrote:Are you really going to associate me with the person whose wagon I hopped on
targeted at and if it's a response to the quote above it then why is there a line?
I'm referring to how Ice put up an associative scumtell between Wickan and I - even when I hopped on Wickan's wagon with reasoning.
Ice basically tossed suspicion on Wickan as he was saying that I am scum for my 'opportunistic' vote on him.
ICEninja wrote:Also responding to Wickan here. It reads to me like you realized how fast this wagon formed on someone and removed your vote because keeping your vote there would make you look bad if he flips town (and if you're scum you probably know he would).
Actually another possible theory I just had. Based on this...
Mod wrote:
People with night talk will have 72 hours to get accustomed to another.
it looks like scum have 3 days of daytalk?
Mod, can you confirm that this means scum have 72 hours of day talk during D1?
With that in mind, it looks like these two could even be scum buddies with Wickan saying, via daytalk, "whoa dude don't bus me this early in the game I'm L-2". That explains the unvote just as well as Taly realizing the vote was dangerous to make as scum.
>The more I think about this, it makes me wonder that it was fabricated.
The line
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Funny how the people who've played with me before are having a shitfest with each other while I'm busy 1v1ing someone in the corner.
In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Wickan wrote:
Did you think I was in significant danger of being lynched?
On page 3? Absolutely not. If the wagon had continued and you put to L-1 on page 8, without Taly having a good place to move his vote to? I can absolutely see that.
Wtf? That is way too presumptuous and tunnel-minded thinking.
I don't see town with this thought process... The idea that you must believe that someone would do this so early in the game suggests that you're waiting to strike someone versus actually trying to understand what it could be coming from.
In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
I'm being called opportunistic for my jump on Wickan's wagon.
Now apparently - my unvote is weird, too?
Yes. It looks like you felt you made a mistake with your vote, then unvoted.
Because
1)I didn't want the wagon to go to L-1?
2)The vote itself wasn't very strong; and it was meant for pressure and incentive to ask a question.
3)The wagon - in my belief - did go too fast, and with the posts I already brought up where I unvoted, I wanted to look at that more.
All of which, I've said about twice now...
In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
I actually think if ABR is purposely lurking it could be a scum-tell
This is very possible. A quick check of his posts show that he hasn't posted in his other game(s) since Friday, and this game started yesterday. If he had posted elsewhere I would agree with you completely, but not posting anywhere on the site during a weekend is kind of null-ish IMO.
Ah, I didn't see that.
Meh... his entrance was useless.
In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
And FA's wasn't? Because you did say that the speed of Wickan's wagon was fast given that FA and I voted.
FA's was equally opportunistic. I gave reasoning why I find FA to be less likely scum than you, ergo I voted you. That being said, I really should do a onceover of her. Memo to self.
I'll help you remember that about FA - especially when you said - and state in this post, that I am scum and not 'more or less likely.'
In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
Plus, did you not read my post links? I already stated before that I was considering the Wickan wagon - even before John prompted to put the vote there.
Yet you stayed with your RVS vote until there was a wagon. Ergo, my accusation of opportunism.
Um.... So....
I didn't join the FA wagon. (Which was mostly RVS, I know.)
I didn't join the talah wagon. (Which isn't entirely RVS.)
I thought of joining the RC wagon, but decided on Wickan.
Yeah.... >_> I'm definitely opportunistic.
In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
Oh... So now you're referring back to that "scum" - not singularly saying that I'm probably scum versus FA who looked more town, right?
I can't vote both of you. I picked which fish to chase. Though as I said above, both of you merit some deeper investigation.
To be fair, I still am suspicious of Wickan. He was my original vote, after all, but Taly jumping on him made you seem more likely to be scum until I remembered that tidbit suggesting night talk. As I pointed out earlier, this could make total sense for them to be a scumpair, particularly regarding Wickan's subtle defense of Taly's unvote in 78.
The one nagging feeling I have about Taly right now is that he hasn't voted me. Scum Taly had ample opportunity to drop a safe vote on me during this whole argument but hasn't.
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Are you trying to bait me?
You said that the one NAGGING feeling about me is that I'm not voting you - as if that's why you could be pushing?
But then you said scum Taly would have had so much opportunity to drop a safe vote on you.
MAYBE I JUST THINK YOU'RE MISGUIDED TOWN?
Maybe I haven't found enough reason to conceal a vote that isn't partially just for pressure?
The idea that you're pulling my punches, makes me think you could be town.
And even though your argument is ----- not the best, politely ----- that doesn't erase town from saying this.
I typically get into a lot of TvTs in games - especially D1.
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In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Regarding Wickan/RC/Titus, I read RC's townread of FA on page 2 as joking at first due to the heart, but after a re-read I feel like I probably shouldn't have based on his post 70 giving a reason for the FA townread. This gives Titus and Wickan more credibility, and means I might need to re-evaluate some of my reads.
I still feel like talah reads pro-town, and I like Johnny's aggression but I need to go through everything again when I have time with the mindset that RC was indeed voting a townread, which could impact my read of Wickan and Johnny both. Also need to spend more time analyzing Frozen Angel.
Damn this game needs to slow down a bit.
I would say Johnny obvtowned with his first post about RC... Given our last game when RC and I were mafia together. And some of his others posts.
But his tone is different this game.... I want to look at him more closely.
In post 98, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 96, ICEninja wrote:Damn this game needs to slow down a bit.
you want to calm down your partner ha?
@RC , its somehow not usual you. I think (with my little knowledge) you start a very angry wagon on someone at this stage of game ...
Taly I can't see a good reason to unvote before wiccon's answer. It seems you wanted to say he is scummy But you didn't want to pressure him (like he is your scum partner) ...
Interesting how you never brought this up whenever I actually unvoted.
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>Talah needs to get in here, ASAP.
>Not really fond of Titus saying that RCs vote was OMGUS. Though, I'd like to hear more of RC's case on her."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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So after people worked onto me about my vote on Wickan to be opportunistic
Now people's attention is at my unvote; because god forbid me to interact with a moving D1 wagon with my OWN judgement, right?
In post 111, Frozen Angel wrote:^ I wasn't online whenever you actually unvoted. or I was but I didn't noticed
you unvoted at 2 am in midnight in my timeline so ...
are you accepting this that unvote was scummy?
what was your reason for unvote again?
and I like your questions about Ice ninja really like to see his answers.
Um.... Honey, no.
I never said my vote was scummy. Ice stated that my unvote seemed like I made a mistake.
I stated reasons as to why I unvoted.
Don't twist it.
So... Actually engaging with someone presenting an argument against me is ugly?
In post 113, Wickan wrote:In the span of that post, Taly a) states that he cannot see how ICE's thought process is town, but thinks that ICE is misguided town;
1)Yes, I am having difficulty that Ice's thought process is town. Does that mean he must be scum? Disagreements don't always mean scum, this is why town gets lynched.
2)I didn't explicitly say that I thought Ice was misguided town. I said that some elements of his approach with his argument was towny - and when he asserted that I was scum and trying to bait me for the vote, I told him why I may not be voting him - which is partially the truth.
Assumptions are corrosive, especially when people weigh them too harshly on people who are scum. I have a mixed read on Ice - in case you didn't realize.
In post 113, Wickan wrote: b) claims that his vote on me was meant for pressure, yet doesn't really have an explanation for why he took it off before that pressure did anything;
Did you NOT read my 53?
When was my vote EVER completely about pressuring you?
And no explanation? I'm sorry, but did you not see the part where I said:
3) The wagon - in my belief - did go too fast, and with the posts I already brought up where I unvoted, I wanted to look at that more.
Sorry I didn't draw a picture and sent it in a separate post.
In post 113, Wickan wrote:c) argues that his jump on my wagon was definitely not opportunistic;
I'm sorry but you said my vote ONTO your wagon.
But here you said:
ICE: What surprises you about how my wagon formed? I actually think it seemed quite natural. I grant that the weirdest part was Taly's jumping off before I even responded, but I didn't find any of the actual votes unusual at all
Nice seeing how you completely changed your demeanor and thought of your wagon when I argued against this shit case over my vote.
In post 113, Wickan wrote:d) claims to "get into a lot of TvT in games; and e) follows along with ICE's hedge on reading Johnny. This looks like a combination of trying to paint his interaction with ICE as town v town and follow along with ICE's other suspicions.
Oh, I can give you ALL my town games. You'll see me get into a lot of shit with people.
Talah, RC, Titus - they've all seen my town game at least once (Same as ABR, I think) - and Johnny and RC have seen my scum game.
But that's not even why these final 2 'points' are bad.
1)Where am I hedging Ice's read on Johnny? All I said was that - partially a meta read - I thought Johnny was quite town. Since my very last game he was town.
I made it clear that I also thought his tone was different, and I wanted to observe a bit more to be firm on the read.
2)What is bad about pointing out the POSSIBILITY of TvT? Honestly, out of the 7-8 games I've been in, only 1 or 2 is where someone (town) pointed out that a 1v1 could be town shitting on each other.
I mean, would you rather see me put a huge damn dichotomy and division of the people in this game and outright assert that Ice is scum as he had done to me? Or he should be lynched - so anyone can go off of his flip and flashlynch me next dayphase?
Tell me a time where pointing out someone, or an interaction is town - could be from a scum who wants to cause as much chaos as possible to get town against each other.
Speaking of opportunistic votes...
In post 113, Wickan wrote:@FA: ICENinja isn't pushing me. Voting for me yes, but pushing me no. I think the wagon on me was normal D1 pressure, which tapered off when Taly decided to prematurely abandon it.
And does that tell you that you should pay attention to Ice's "theory" that we're a scumpair? -_-
Does my - explained unvote - put ANY pressure off of you, because you got quite a few votes quickly and for varying reasons.
In post 113, Wickan wrote:In post 96, ICEninja wrote:As I pointed out earlier, this could make total sense for them to be a scumpair, particularly regarding Wickan's subtle defense of Taly's unvote in 78.
The question in 78 was meant 100% seriously. The problem, as occurred to me while I was writing it, was that the single best answer for why scum-Taly unvoted me is that I was also scum. But from my perspective, that obviously doesn't make sense. I was wondering whether you would notice that Taly's unvote implied that (which you did).
In short, it wasn't meant as a defense of Taly. It was a genuine question, as his unvote made no sense to me from a townorscum perspective.
And now you're pushing that my unvote made no sense either alignment -
But you're pushing that as if I were scum.
Without even acknowledging the reasons as to why I unvoted?
Still don't see this mastermind 'Wickan+Taly theory' scumpair or anything.
JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 110, Taly wrote:Funny how the people who've played with me before are having a shitfest with each other while I'm busy 1v1ing someone in the corner.
I read this and wanted to say something, but I got nothing.
Well, what was your feels and thoughts about it?
JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 110, Taly wrote:But his tone is different this game.... I want to look at him more closely.
Shall I pose?
What do you think of Ice and Wickan's push onto me?
Do you understand the Titus push, because I'm not exactly... And I'm waiting for RC to recognize my existence.
Also, I'm throwing FA to my active nulltown pile as of this point. The phrasing of her questions don't feel crude."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 125, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Phone posting so this is gonna be broken up. But really sorry.
In post 124, Taly wrote:Well, what was your feels and thoughts about it?
I'm wondering why you said it I guess? Looks vaguely like a call for help.
I think you misinterpreted, I asked to see if you'd remember if I said something about it, or given any thought to you when looking at it.
In post 126, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 124, Taly wrote:What do you think of Ice and Wickan's push onto me?
I think they make sense from the "I haven't played with Scum Taly" point of view and you getting all worked up will only make it worse in their eyes. Calm down.
I can see it, too. But that doesn't remove my argument or why I am not fond of the assessment.
I'm not losing my mind or anything, but I guess being calm would be best.
In post 129, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 124, Taly wrote:Do you understand the Titus push, because I'm not exactly... And I'm waiting for RC to recognize my existence.
Bells doesn't have anything good yet. That's why he's a non presence.
Titus is someone I disagree with a lot so I'm trying to hold judgment until she actually comes in here and explains herself.
Oh, I see.
I just tend to not read things accurately when there's nothing much of it. (In reference to RC's vote on Titus) This is why line-by-lines are useful.
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Reading Ice's 127 - glad he actually followed with the FA re-look.
Haven't seen Titus too much, either. So bleckh....
Good that he pointed out ABR was foxposting. Yeah, my null is climbing to lean scum on ABR. Especially since his entrance was weak in a pool of content and he made no further set obligations to expand on anything.
Speaking of lurkers; has anyone seen Simple Plan since like... post 10?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 132, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I mean guys the thread's been open for less than two days, is it the time to condemn people as lurkerscum?
Here's where the mentality to be suspicious of 'lurkers' this early is coming from
1)Scum have daytalk for 3 days. This may not mean much, but typically - you'd think people who didn't post much or didn't post anything useful so far would be somewhat suspicious for having conversations in a scum PT.
2)Applying this to ABR; he's done virtually nothing. Granted, his debut post was the previous page to my belief - but by that point, we were already out of RVS and had several discussions happening - and he had nothing to say.
3)Applying this to SP; he's really not done anything since RVS. I did however just check his posts and he has not yet posted at all on the site. So I think he's just busy.
You do have a point about it being early.... I'll just withhold judgement on SP and ABR until they post again and go from there. Though, I don't think it's too stretchy to not bring it up."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 1, mykonian wrote:Role PM's are out! As in all myko games, don't bother confirming, day one starts now! People with night talk will have 72 hours to get accustomed to another.
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch. Deadline is in three weeks.
As a personal request from the mod, in a game this small it should not be necessary to have replacements. I don't mind looking for them, but when playing I enjoy games a lot more without the inevitable hindrance they are to the flow of the game. I imagine I'm not alone in this. Please treat this game as a commitment."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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I didn't think that the quotes also used the color. sorry mod, if that was wrong.
@Also Mod, Titus voted RC in 64 and hasn't changed."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 141, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
@Taly where's your head? are you a waiting person? Is no one currently caught up in the game worthy of your vote?
Not usually. But I've held my vote for awhile before. I did get mislynched D1 for doing it once, though. I didn't form solid or accurate reads (I usually don't D1 - but then I tend to go crazy once I see some flips) - I was wagoned, told I had to make reads, and somewhat of a case or die - threw my vote and case on a townie; then got 3v1ed and hammered by scum right before the deadline.
Wasn't a pleasant experience. It's partially why I think the basis of peoples scumread on me over my vote/unvote is bad - especially since it's D1. Also why I want to consider Ice being town for our back and forth.
I'm somewhat torn on Ice, though - I thought the association tells he tries to put up with me and others are just, ewww, (Wickan is no better tbh) - along with my argument with him in the first place. Other than that, I like his detail-oriented approach and it makes sense....
I'll probably vote somewhere once I see more FA, Titus, or RC. Namely, as I've said - I don't know much about the Titus and RC back and forth. I already stated that I'm getting weird vibes from FA and I'm not liking how they phrase some questions and just stand around until they're pushed.
Looking forward to Wickan's response to my rebuttal.... The fact that he's already posted but hasn't even mentioned me makes me think a re-vote is best in order.... >_> Plus, my vote on Wickan would put him to L-1 so I want to get engagement before it gets to that point.
Then there's SP, ABR, and talah - whereas I townread talah of course, but SP and ABR have not really done anything....
So yeah, there's my head."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 145, Wickan wrote:In post 124, Taly wrote:
1)Yes, I am having difficulty that Ice's thought process is town. Does that mean he must be scum? Disagreements don't always mean scum, this is why town gets lynched.
2)I didn't explicitly say that I thought Ice was misguided town. I said that some elements of his approach with his argument was towny - and when he asserted that I was scum and trying to bait me for the vote, I told him why I may not be voting him - which is partially the truth.
Assumptions are corrosive, especially when people weigh them too harshly on people who are scum. I have a mixed read on Ice - in case you didn't realize.
You did not explicitly state, but 110 very, very heavily implies that you think ICE is misguided town and you are engaged in a town v town battle. And from the outside, it's very difficult to tell the difference between mixed feelings and fence-sitting.
Um, no. While I did say that I could see Ice being town, I didn't outright said that dominated my read - and since when is mixed feelings a scum-tell?
In post 145, Wickan wrote:Did you NOT read my 53?
When was my vote EVER completely about pressuring you?
And no explanation? I'm sorry, but did you not see the part where I said:
3) The wagon - in my belief - did go too fast, and with the posts I already brought up where I unvoted, I wanted to look at that more.
Sorry I didn't draw a picture and sent it in a separate post.
I read both. I know the stated reason for the vote. But that early in D1, the point of the vote is to put pressure on me and see how I respond.
And your stated reason for unvoting is ridiculous. I ask you the same question I asked ICE: do you really believe I was in imminent danger of being lynched? And even if you thought the wagon did move too fast, the natural response from town to that thought would be to ask why and try to suss out whether scum was involved. You didn't do that; instead you stalled the wagon, removing pressure, and went after ICE.
I'm ISOing you and I do not see a post or line that is directed to me with this question. Please link it to me if I'm wrong.
And I wasn't entirely sure of whether you'd be lynched. Do you think I can mind read?
Plus - how was my unvote removing pressure when you answered question when I placed the vote?
In post 145, Wickan wrote:Nice seeing how you completely changed your demeanor and thought of your wagon when I argued against this shit case over my vote.
I didn't. In a vacuum, I don't find your initial vote on me scummy at all. It was normal, early-game pressure. And it was opportunistic to the extent that it jumped on a forming early-game wagon.
...You're still going to go from saying that your wagon was natural and not scummy - to pushing your case on me that my vote is opportunistic - just like what Ice had already accused me of.,...
In post 145, Wickan wrote:In post 113, Wickan wrote:d) claims to "get into a lot of TvT in games; and e) follows along with ICE's hedge on reading Johnny. This looks like a combination of trying to paint his interaction with ICE as town v town and follow along with ICE's other suspicions.
Oh, I can give you ALL my town games. You'll see me get into a lot of shit with people.
Talah, RC, Titus - they've all seen my town game at least once (Same as ABR, I think) - and Johnny and RC have seen my scum game.
I don't doubt that you get into plenty of TvT. But the way you brought it up bugged me. It sounded like you were trying to give yourself an out from the argument, implicitly trying to convince ICE that you were both townies and should stop fighting and go after somebody else. So it's not that I'm saying the statement isn't true; it's that I think bringing it up like that is scummy.
Why would I need to convince Ice if we were both town or not?
I know damn well I am town, you think I'm buddying Ice for trying to argue with him while trying to see his perspective?
In post 145, Wickan wrote:1)Where am I hedging Ice's read on Johnny? All I said was that - partially a meta read - I thought Johnny was quite town. Since my very last game he was town.
I made it clear that I also thought his tone was different, and I wanted to observe a bit more to be firm on the read.
That, what you said right there, that's hedging. That's pretty much exactly hedging. He seems obvtown, but his town is different, but you're not sure. That's hedging. And the way you did it, it felt like buddying up to ICE.
Right.... Because part of my read on Johnny was meta... and not all games are the same, right?
And what about the way I did it felt like buddying? Is it wrong to add a read to something?
In post 148, Wickan wrote:Okay, this essentially replaces the bottom half of my previous post. I apologize again for spamming the page like that.
2)What is bad about pointing out the POSSIBILITY of TvT? Honestly, out of the 7-8 games I've been in, only 1 or 2 is where someone (town) pointed out that a 1v1 could be town shitting on each other.
I mean, would you rather see me put a huge damn dichotomy and division of the people in this game and outright assert that Ice is scum as he had done to me? Or he should be lynched - so anyone can go off of his flip and flashlynch me next dayphase?
Tell me a time where pointing out someone, or an interaction is town - could be from a scum who wants to cause as much chaos as possible to get town against each other.
I don't claim that you're trying to cause chaos. I claim that you were trying to say "TvT" to get out of the discussion with ICE. Again, the problem is the way you said it. I welcome other opinions about this, but it rubbed me the wrong way.
"The way you said it" - "It rubbed me the wrong way"
You keep bringing this up... That's most of your argument here, which is pretty invalid considering that you're not backing it up with actual posts, it seems like you're going off of very subjective terms to fabricate case onto someone.
In post 145, Wickan wrote:
Does my - explained unvote - put ANY pressure off of you, because you got quite a few votes quickly and for varying reasons.
Yes. Absolutely yes. The very act that somebody unvoted expressing doubt about the quality of the wagon is enough to remove pressure.
Expressed doubt? This is what I said with my unvote:
UNVOTE:
I'm not going to give anyone the satisfaction of putting someone to L-1 this early in the game.
Concerning Wickan's wagon, he hasn't even posted yet and he has enough votes if half of the reasoning against him is just to pressure....
I'll keep my vote for a bit, I want to see RC respond first to his suspicion and my question before I assert it once again.
This was after I posed a question to FA which I don't believe she ever responded to.
Yeah.... >_> I wasn't comfortable with the votes - I already stated - and I wanted to look at something else while I STILL wanted to see what you respond with....
In post 145, Wickan wrote:
And now you're pushing that my unvote made no sense either alignment -
But you're pushing that as if I were scum.
Without even acknowledging the reasons as to why I unvoted?
As stated, your reasons for unvoting don't make sense in and of themselves, particularly in light of you not following up on it. And the stated reason especially doesn't make sense without waiting to see my response (the wait wasn't that long).
That still does not explain to me why you're now continuing your push over my vote being opportunistic - which originally seemed like you had no problem with - and now that my unvote is weird or scummy - even though you said you couldn't see it come from town or scum perspective - after I explained to you it....
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My god.... It's getting late here, and I cannot think straight...
This is how I’m seeing this entire thing play out.
>Ice originally scumreads me and votes me for my vote on Wickan for being opportunistic. 69
>Wickan says that the votes on his wagon was natural. 77
>I defend and explain myself to Ice while telling him why I dislike the case.
>Ice then expands on why my unvote looked like scum trying to hide a 'mistake' 80
>Wickan still doesn't really say anything against that other than that it was weird. (His posts before 113)
>I explain myself further and rebuttal Ice's theory on why Wickan and I are scumbuddies because I unvoted him.
>Ice baits me that I'd have safely voted for him if I were scum - I didn't as I said that I could see him being town. 96
>Wickan is now saying that my original vote on him was opportunistic - after saying his wagon was natural - but then says I'm scum trying to buddy up with Ice. 113
>Ice is now torn on his read with me. 121
…..All of this is just way too damn messy….
This isn’t even involving FA’s vote where only Ice is now looking at, or FA’s questions directed toward me – thinking I accepted that my unvote was scummy?....
This is throwing me through a loop.... I need to sleep on this."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 154, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 87, Taly wrote:I actually think if ABR is purposely lurking it could be a scum-tell... You know... given that the mod confirmed on the first post that mafia did have 72 hours of daytalk.
I doubt the most active people in this game are scum.
What's the theory behind this?
That is the theory....
In post 158, Titus wrote:In post 127, ICEninja wrote:Alright so a few things jumped out at me during my re-read. Frozen Angel in post 16 claims that calling someone a confirmed mayor was just spam. I don't really understand this. Can someone explain the joke? This whole interaction feels really weird to me.
Next, talah goes hard. Really hard.
talah wrote:
Yeah I'd lynch you at this point.
That is page 1, saying he'd be fine actually lynching someone "at this point". Wow. Then:
talah wrote:
I would *definitely* lynch you right now.
This is page 2. Shortly after he states that he hasn't joked about anything.
Taleh, had I put her to L-1 on page 2 would you have announced intent to hammer? I definitely approve of pressure early on but this is seriously over the top.
I've discussed my thoughts on Taly's Wickan vote, but I haven't said too much about FA's. FA pretty clearly voted for pressure, and Taly's unvote alleviated pressure. I'm having a really hard time suspecting FA for the vote though simply on account of Wickan looking so damn scummy right now, and Taly looking to have a higher likelihood of being a scum buddy. Additionally, I missed the first time around when Johnny actually pointed out to Taly that his vote on Wickan seemed "too easy", shortly before Taly's unvote. This strengthens my initial suspicion which has been weakened by other evidence. I think I'm just going to have to shelf that thought for now, because there are more interesting things actually.
So this interesting tidbit from Titus:
Titus wrote:
This Wickan wagon is crap.
RC is voting someone who she has a townread on and didn't move the vote. Wicked points this out and votes RC.
Um, no. This never actually happened. Wickanhadn't yet pointed this out. In fact, I can't find ANY mention of Wickan saying ANYTHING about Cowbells until well after the vote, and after Titus comes in and states why Wickan voted, despite Wickan not having actually said anything about this.
Am I missing something there? This is triggering some SERIOUS daytalk paranoia. Then Wickan comes in during post 77 and states that the things RC did to merit him voting her are "unhelpful and anti-town", though no mention of being scummy.
A side note, can we please not have 2 people with the same LoL character avatar, when we already have players who have names that are easy to mix up?
I am confirmed mayor in another game. Sorry you have trouble reading. Does your role PM say scum?
Titus, can you please explain yourself on your RC scumread? And your Wickan and ABR townread? You responding with rhetorical questions aren't helpful...
In post 179, RadiantCowbells wrote:In fact it's bothering me because I'm not sure that Titus is scum here, just deathtunneling like a derp.
VOTE: ABR
This is scum for sure.
Why ABR and not Wickan - is your suspicion on Wickan dependent on Titus?
In post 200, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, contrary to his claims that we'd get towncred for it no one ever gets towncred for doing something they're told they'll get towncred for.
That's the point... I wasn't going to townread people for sheeping me on Titus.
If someone followed me then I'd suspect that they were likely scum.
In post 202, talah wrote:
RC- what's the scumread on Titus about, anyway? I'm not really seeing it.
Taly- having trouble reading so much content in walls again. Hit me up with some Tony Danza if you want my input k?
A lot of my problems on getting accurate and straight-forward thoughts are bubbling from Ice and Wickan's overall interaction with me, and how FA walks around that.
Just ISO me to see my previous post about my overall thought process here.
What I can't seem to understand is - People are throwing associative tells all over me, while criticizing my vote and unvote off of a wagon - and then twisting my questions and answers to have a thought.
Basically... I feel like there is probably scum between:
Ice, Wickan, FA
I'm tossing around Wickan and FA, moreso Wickan as the candidates - what do you think?
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In post 212, Frozen Angel wrote:You never asked me anything so what did I missed?
after 66 I'm sure I stated that my case against Talah stands (as its not stands that strongly anymore right now because most of it was simply because of misreading)
and in 124 you answered my question. what were you expecting to hear?
You replying about how I said I disliked the way you phrased your questions?
In post 216, ICEninja wrote:
Taly wrote:
People are throwing associative tells all over me, while criticizing my vote and unvote off of a wagon - and then twisting my questions and answers to have a thought.
, I was the only one doing that, and apparently I had you so worked up by that you couldn't scum hunt. Don't make it in to something it wasn't.Oh get over yourself
Please do not make this personal.
Frozen Angel wrote:
Well actually lets start sorting titus out.
why your posts are only one sentence long and your not explaining your actions. you say RC is scum becuase he is scum. Ice is my second suspect atm. wiccon wagon sucks ....
pedit : I got sniped by jhonys post
You say that the Wickan wagon sucks
Yet you're still on it? Or am I missing something here?
Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 179, RadiantCowbells wrote:In fact it's bothering me because I'm not sure that Titus is scum here, just deathtunneling like a derp.
VOTE: ABR
This is scum for sure.
This strategy is getting old.
And you just saying this and laughing is helpful?
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Change your avatar lol it's legitimately terrible. The walls of text in this game are demotivating me. Let's make a lynch happen.
Alright, let's work on that.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage
1)I have no clue why Titus thinks you're town. Even when I asked 211 I don't see her explaining that (And yes, I did read why she thought Wickan was town.)
2)You've had 5 pages to do something remotely helpful but you're just breeding apathy.
3)Even now when people post you dismiss the conversation, and the fact that people have repeatedly stated that they couldn't read you and you don't follow it up with anything of substance does not look town at all.
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So.... your townread on ABR is gut - if anything? I'm not understanding this.
In post 252, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 250, Taly wrote:You say that the Wickan wagon sucks
She's repeating what Titus has been saying, not stating her own opinion here
Oh, I misread. x_x"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Wow, I'm being ignored.
Naked votes are clothed-scum votes who don't want to be exposed.
I'm fine with my vote here, you completely dismissed me even when I called you out on doing it to others.
Plus what happened to the RC push you never expanded on?
In post 258, Titus wrote:Johnny, why so obsessed with lynching Wicked?
Titus, this is going to be the third I'm asking.
Why is ABR town - if you actually think he is?
>_>.... Also - if you want to talk about how someone is so worked on lynching another person - why is your vote still on RC? It has stayed there since. 64
You've given more reasoning on why Wickan is town (and why his wagon is shit) than you actually have on why RC is scum."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 266, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Also Taly that post I just quoted has some Scum Bells rationale in it
This isn't meant to say anything mean toward Titus - but I'm not always the best at understanding Titus' post.
(Even though, I probably can't talk.)
Yeah, I can see that - and especially after Titus said that she meant division which I could also see.
Titus wrote:In post 263, Taly wrote:Wow, I'm being ignored.
Naked votes are clothed-scum votes who don't want to be exposed.
I'm fine with my vote here, you completely dismissed me even when I called you out on doing it to others.
Plus what happened to the RC push you never expanded on?
In post 258, Titus wrote:Johnny, why so obsessed with lynching Wicked?
Titus, this is going to be the third I'm asking.
Why is ABR town - if you actually think he is?
>_>.... Also - if you want to talk about how someone is so worked on lynching another person - why is your vote still on RC? It has stayed there since. 64
You've given more reasoning on why Wickan is town (and why his wagon is shit) than you actually have on why RC is scum.
Feelies on ABR.
Cuz RC hasn't done any scumhunting since I voted her.
So it is gut.
The RC-no scumhunting makes sense - I'll need to ISO him in depth, but it does look like he isn't doing much to push... especially since RC foxposted in a few threads a few minutes ago and hasn't looked at this yet.
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In post 283, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 250, Taly wrote:You say that the Wickan wagon sucks
Yet you're still on it? Or am I missing something here?
it was what titus saying. read whole sentence ....
I know... I said I misread a few posts later when John pointed it out...
In post 284, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 250, Taly wrote:You replying about how I said I disliked the way you phrased your questions?
what about me phrasing my questions? I'm confused .
I'm not sure why you inquired that I was accepting that my unvote was scummy?
Eh... Maybe I'm just digging for a needle in a haystack in bringing this up. x_x It may mean nothing, I just got some weird vibes from the phrasing.
In post 315, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 312, talah wrote:You really have that much of a scumread on him? I've seen you pushing but don't really remember the thrust of the argument that he's scum.
Big's not the word. It's a day one scumread and it's a good one. Better than anything else I've seen.
Who is this in reference to? Wickan or ABR?
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We do have a high content D1 so far; I'm not exactly sure why talah and FA continue on about their original interactions in discussion. But there's nothing there that jumps to me as scum. I don't like FA saying how useless talah's case is, but I still get a newbtown vibe from them - it's really fluid, which sucks.
@talah
I can understand the whole 'Ice oldschool town archetype' but it rubs me the wrong way, I'm not understanding where his heads at, which bothers me. I do agree with John, it does feel like he has an agenda and that's why my read is torn on him.
Plus, I rarely hear town say something like:
"Oh, get over yourself"
Eckh.... Association tells aren't bad D1, but Ice has relied a bit on those on his reads which feels like he's creating a little world that revolves around who needs to be lynched rather than looking at his reads in an individual light. If that's understandable.
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Wickan on the other hand... I can see misguided town; but him scumpainting me after he deliberately contradicted himself about his wagon is very deceptive, especially since it seems like he's actively pulling people toward something that was already looked at.
Plus he never looked back at my rebuttal toward him, and I feel like I need to prod him to get anything.
Needless to say, ABR may be better at helping reads with RC, Titus, and somewhat Wickan - but ABR is my only definitive scumread at the moment since I can't really figure out Wickan and Ice.
This bothers me more because half of the town seems to townread Wickan, and the other half seems to townread Ice - and vice versa with scumreading."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 317, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 316, Taly wrote:Who is this in reference to? Wickan or ABR?
Bruh the answer to this question is literallyon this page, you gotta learn to not skim
In post 318, Wickan wrote:
Honestly, I just got tired of doing back and forth walls with you that weren't getting anything done. I couldn't seem to convince anybody that you were scum and it wasn't changing people's minds about me. I just thought my time was better spent elsewhere.
On Albert: I actually don't think he's scum. I mean, he's being completely useless, but I'd rather we lynch somebody we think has a decent chance to flip as opposed to a policy lynch.
Alright, I see why you didn't respond then.
Tbh, seeing as about 3 to 4 people so far have said that ABR does this as scum - makes me wonder if that's true here.
If we had to PL in this game - this isn't a bad time. But I do agree, several people are pretty decent lynch options to see flips.
Plus, I don't think ABR's flip will be void of information. Especially since Titus wants to gut-townread him while ABR plays somewhat to his scum-meta, from what I understand.
In post 333, ICEninja wrote:
Taly wrote:
Plus, I rarely hear town say something like:
"Oh, get over yourself"
That is alignment-neutral irritation. You tried to come off as some martyr because town was pushing you for this reason and that and woe is me and it just annoyed me. I pressured you early to see where it would go.
sigh... I'm not trying to come off as anything, I'm stating what I think - if I misinterpreted it; then I'm all ears to here your side....
In post 333, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
Eckh.... Association tells aren't bad D1, but Ice has relied a bit on those on his reads which feels like he's creating a little world that revolves around who needs to be lynched rather than looking at his reads in an individual light. If that's understandable.
I feel like this is also either a misrepresentation of my views or a demonstration that you don't understand them. I've clearly stated more than once that Wickan is, by far, the scummiest player in this game.Also, his scum flip will give information. There's a reason I'm NOT voting Titus, because without any flips, my associative tell is useless. You can bet that'll change day 2 if we get the relevant information.
I'd go with misunderstanding because I know you think Wickan is the scummiest person in this game, and that his flip will give info.
The thing that makes me think is - you put out a theory concerning that Wickan and I are scumpair, then Wickan comes in saying that I'm scum buddying you for the back and forth over my vote/unvote on HIM - himself.
From what I'm seeing - I'm being thrown out as an associative with several players at this point - and this isn't even considering Titus saying that I'm scum with RC and you, who you apparently scumread as well.
I don't think people see the how sticky of a situation this is - it causes all kinds of division and miscommunication, and the fact that people discredit me as "woe is me" and "youre a martyr" seriously makes me question their perspective in this game - IE, whether they have an agenda to push something as scum despite what may be presented, or town who actually wants to decipher between the game and work on it.
This is why I considered - and still leaning toward, you being town - and Wickan - being possible scum, for the inconsistencies I've seen of him - and the idea that he hasn't pushed anyone else yet after saying that my wagon isn't going anywhere...
That's my thought process.
In post 334, Titus wrote:RC Taly Ice, are y'all scumbuddies again?
Since you can clearly use slightly scum and slightly town, a pure null read with high content is something I don't like.
1)A pure null read? I see pure-null as something of "Oh, can't tell - not inclined to look to much into it"
Each of my posts so far as of when Wickan and Ice post, is me engaging with them to create conversation.
2) Did I misread? How would you know if we had 3 scum? This alone is worth my vote.
3)Love how you threw RC, Ice, and I together in some shit-association. Especially since:
Wickans vote is on me, he express he wants to get people to vote for me - but you only throw me in with RC and Ice's name and then paint my reads on Wickan and Ice as pure-null without trying to engage with me on my previous post about them.
You got ABR to vote - he went for Ice - after he voted for RC and John, and you've tunneled RC for the last 280 posts. Something I've never seen you do remotely as town. Please link a time where you did so if I am wrong.
Unsure of how to read ABR's 341....
UNVOTE: Albert B. Rampage
VOTE: Titus
We haven't had a true push on you.
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@Titus
1)In terms of my reads? Well, I make mine coherent.
2)Look at the many Mini Normals I have played - all my games (without ones I replaced in/out, which were Larges you were apart of) - I've never been in in Normals this size. Plus, any statistic isn't very reassuring on D1.
3)Is the Johnny wagon also bad? If so, why?
4)Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha.
>_> Instead of trying to figure out how scummy you can be without getting lynched; try actually forming more than 2 townreads while giving reasons why a wagon should be pursued versus shitting all over the ones that have occurred so far and minimizing those arguments that have been made against you.
I shouldn't have to read between the meanings of your posts to have a hint of what you're trying to do."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 353, Titus wrote:Scum is in
RC Taly Ice Johnny Talah ASP
Gut says nope to talah asp so like 10 there
Johnny I would only vote deadline against myself
There that's my reads till we get a flip or someone else obvtowns. :-p
You wanted more townreads here you go Italy. Lols.
Italy is my name for when I go insane mid-game. Not quite there yet.
But yeah.... The fact that you'd only vote Johnny against yourself Is very survivalistic - which in itself is an idea to set-up a dichotomy - the fact that you won't explain your townreads in depth feels like you're leaving options open and keeping people guessing.
It doesn't help because talah and Johnny have been townread a lot so far, and tbh - talah is nulltown at best because she hasn't added anything beyond FA, Ice, or Wickan - or in general, beyond several pages ago.
Your reads so far seem mostly gut... Which does make sense in forming D1; but that's most of the back-up for why you want to push the people you do now. I can't tell where your head is at.
There's a lot to look at to understand someone more in depth - and to help pursue a wagon you want, tbh - but you're not doing much about that, you seem concerned with other things.
In post 354, Titus wrote:Reading between the lines is scumhunting Taly sorry to bother you.
I mean, I'm voting you because I want to see that? Not a lot is changing my read so far. Mind giving reasons?
Furthermore, you never said why Ice was a good wagon to pursue - beyond my previous post wanting reasons.
In post 356, Titus wrote:He's not scum. Nor is FA. Nor is ABR. I won't vote em. Would rather NL or be lynched myself.
I can see FA town, but meh.... Wouldn't want to sort FA right now, too many other people that I have a stronger opinion of, and growing.
The confidence in your gut reads kind of bother me.... Maybe we just take gut reads in differently; but you really have not done much of anything to sort ABR beyond just dismissing the possibility of read him and think he's town.
Also, what the fuck? You'd rather NL and get yourself lynched?
........
How is this town? Do I really need to point out the many reasons why this is scummy?
In post 359, Titus wrote:You could be a major townbeard...
Wth does townbeard mean?
In post 368, Albert B. Rampage wrote:scummy as hell ^
In post 383, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You're delusional if you're town but I'm banking on cheeky scum
The pot calling the kettle black.
Try engaging with me - Titus Drone.
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RC is a bit null, but there posts seem genuine to me... The only thing is that he keeps switching wagons. If you're going to vote Wickan or go on Titus; it'd be much helpful staying on one and working with that more...
Also RC - I'm sorry for what happened.*hugs*
Furthermore Titus; if you want to compare me and my only scum game - let me link the game and point out all the differences in this game to that:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=63741 - My game as mafia with RC.
1)I was very inactive; I only made 30 posts in the whole 2 months of that thread, and I've already succeeded that amount and it's not even a week yet. I do intentionally go inactive and flake to derail suspicion.
Have you seen me hide from anything?
2)The fact that you just want to call me scum for saying RC's RVS vote was still on a townread - but not voting - is a huge exaggeration compared to how thoroughly I ignored RC that game. And several posts in this game so far, is me trying to gauge for RC's attention if you didn't see.
3)RC has been VLA a lot, and from what we know see - is from very legitimate reasons, tell me how RC and I are plotting this mastermind scum-game when we interact completely differently than before.
And if you want to say that I'm still scum - only more comfortable on my SECOND GAME AS MAFIA, which is why I am like the way that I am....
Titus, you've seen town-me at least twice. Do you think I'm trying to pull punches, or not? >_>
Also RC, anytime you - or anyone else that wants to put me back into the inquisition chair - I'm all for it."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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*blinks*
Did I just log on and get misrepped TWICE? Then ignored?
In post 398, Titus wrote:@Taly, I engage but hate walls this game.
Self meta is accurate probably but meta *farts*. You're ignoring your initial opening of RC is scum but vote Wickan.
@RC Sorry for your loss.
1)Good to know you dismiss everything I said in that post as a hate-wall post. Like wtf?
While you completely disregard any attempt to talk to me about why Ice or RC is a good wagon to pursue - AND answer any fucking question that I have. But that's not the icing on the cake
2)WHEN did I say that RC was scum for having their RVS vote on FA after he townread her? 40 50
I did throw suspicion, and thought that RC was a good wagon to start - but RC was never a scumread.
Furthermore; why was voting Wickan such a bad thing? I was suspicious of him as well.
Another thing - your hold rebuttal of me self-metaing is complete trash. You go from:
"Self-meta is kind of accurate..."
But then you just dismiss and say meta as if you dismissed the argument as if it were nothing. Yet you say RC and I are scum based on our interactions in our previous game as scum? 334 361 Which btw, is wrong - and that entire sentence was backwards.
In post 399, talah wrote:In post 395, Taly wrote:talah is nulltown at best because she hasn't added anything beyond FA, Ice, or Wickan - or in general, beyond several pages ago.
Sheesh, talk about your arrows to the heart. And here I was thinking we had nice confident townreads going on one another.
Talah - I am townreading you, it's just null due to not a lot of posting on your part compared to a lot of other content coming up. I don't really see anything that's scum of you, compared our town game last time.
In post 399, talah wrote:Anyway, I've done a bit more than that actually. I have JohnnyF as town, you as town, Titus townleaning and ABR some nullscum bullshit I can't read unless he decides to play the game. Simple Plan might be lurker-scum.
RC can be town just on principle. I don't see any deceptiveness coming from that area.
Ice I'm going to put back to null for now but I have some interest in getting something better. I've just been lazy and busy.
Frozen I might be mistaken on as scum but I'm keeping an eye on it.
I'll add to that, that what I'm seeing from Titus appears to be classic Titus town play - very little explanation you can actually follow and attempting to lead town with bravado. Surprisingly her possible-scumpool has both ICE and A Simple Plan in it - and although I'd prefer Frozen and ABR in there as well - realistically I'm rethinking both ICE and Frozen so I don't really have a beef with her.
So that's where I'm up to right now. Also I'm probably going to be casual / sporadic with this game I've decided (and this may just be a general playstyle change for me so that I can play mafia consistently rather than in huge work-heavy spurts), so get used to it.
Eh.... I can see Titus town. We get into a lot of shit when we're both town together. But I don't know, tbh..... There's a lot of scummy things I see from Titus.
In post 406, Wickan wrote:Short case: Taly's 110, his attempts to insist that his discussion w/ you were TvT and his buddying up to you, and going all the way back to his unvote on me early on, removing pressure. Although he does seem to have dropped the townread on you recently (not sure why, as I'm not sure what you've done differently that prompted it). (Taly will promptly dispute that he ever had a townread on you, but I honestly don't know how else to read 110)
See also my 230 for the short case on RC (although slightly out of date, I think most of it still holds)
Also @ICE: see my question above on the Titus wagon. Is it primarily driven by Titus not explaining her reads?
Pop the brakes for a minute. Wth.
If you're referring to my read on ICE.... I AM townreading Ice, and I've said that in 344 and have said that I was lleaning town on him for awhile.
Why did you think I wasn't townreading him?
Furthermore - why did you say that I'd DENY any kind of townread I had on Ice?
This looks like a calculated misrep.... Especially since you still painted my interactions with Ice - me saying our interaction as TVT - was an attempt to BUDDY him.
.... This deserves a re-vote but I'm not done with Titus and her drone yet.
In post 423, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 420, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm suddenly grateful
Gratefulness is a great thing.
Except I win even with low effort, that's how good I am. Even gave you a link as evidence
Yeah. This isn't changing my scumread on you.
Thanks for ignoring me the 4th time.
I mean seriously - my responses to your posts in my walls so far have been about 3 sentences. Max.
At least TRY."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 430, Titus wrote:In post 426, Taly wrote:While you completely disregard any attempt to talk to me about why Ice or RC is a good wagon to pursue - AND answer any fucking question that I have. But that's not the icing on the cake
See prior post.
You think Ice and RC are being inconsistent, not open, and/or not transparent?
OK, that took too long to get out of you - but I understand where you're coming from now. I'm nulltown on RC until he provides more content - but the general vibe I'm getting from him in this game, wasn't like last game... Last game he was very gung ho on whatever he was set to do, and did so in a very twisted way.... I don't see any agenda like the being imposed here. That's where the town feel I'm getting from RC originates from. Plus, I've seen town RC several times... RC seems consistent, know that it is RC.
Ice... I already agreed with the idea that he goes have an agenda. I don't agree with the Wickan wagon being horrible, though... The fact that it has been the top wagon for a little over 10 pages is a bit frightening.... But I'm scumreading Wickan...
In post 431, Titus wrote:In post 426, Taly wrote:I did throw suspicion, and thought that RC was a good wagon to start - but RC was never a scumread.
Furthermore; why was voting Wickan such a bad thing? I was suspicious of him as well.
Yeah, that's not how it looked. Throw initial suspicion = scumread.
Cuz Wickan is town.
Change the words push comes to shove, you had the same suspicion level and voted Town over Scum. That's going to ping for me.
This is my problem with you Titus; you appear as if you think anyone who goes against your reads is scum.
I have no idea why you're so confident in Wickan being town, and still unsure of why your RC scumread is semi-strong even now when RC has been absent for life issues. Your reads are static.
I've never seen this level of confidence early in the game kill scum. And it doesn't help that our last game was where you tunneled town D1 similar to this and was scum.
I have difficulty understanding what you're doing, Titus.
In post 432, Titus wrote:In post 426, Taly wrote:Another thing - your hold rebuttal of me self-metaing is complete trash. You go from:
"Self-meta is kind of accurate..."
But then you just dismiss and say meta as if you dismissed the argument as if it were nothing. Yet you say RC and I are scum based on our interactions in our previous game as scum? 334 361 Which btw, is wrong - and that entire sentence was backwards.
Needs Rephrasing.
Basically, it looked as if you wanted to credit me on me being correct about my meta - versus dismissing the argument as "meta" and ignoring it - but then you did just that.
That looked very backwards.
In post 436, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Taly you asked for my reads and I gave them. Ice is scum and needs more votes.
I would ask if this was your only read... But you apparently think talah is town. But that's still not a lot to go by.
I've been told this by you and Titus over and over and compared to my other scumreads, Ice doesn't look like scum - I'm townreading him. I don't understand what more you're looking for, or what you want me to see that I can't.
In post 437, Wickan wrote:In post 426, Taly wrote:
If you're referring to my read on ICE.... I AM townreading Ice, and I've said that in 344 and have said that I was lleaning town on him for awhile.
Why did you think I wasn't townreading him?
Furthermore - why did you say that I'd DENY any kind of townread I had on Ice?
This looks like a calculated misrep.... Especially since you still painted my interactions with Ice - me saying our interaction as TVT - was an attempt to BUDDY him.
Why did I think you weren't townreading him? Because you weren't.
In post 211, Taly wrote:
What I can't seem to understand is - People are throwing associative tells all over me, while criticizing my vote and unvote off of a wagon - and then twisting my questions and answers to have a thought.
Basically... I feel like there is probably scum between:
Ice, Wickan, FA
I'm tossing around Wickan and FA, moreso Wickan as the candidates - what do you think?
In post 316, Taly wrote:
I can understand the whole 'Ice oldschool town archetype' but it rubs me the wrong way, I'm not understanding where his heads at, which bothers me. I do agree with John, it does feel like he has an agenda and that's why my read is torn on him.
Plus, I rarely hear town say something like:
"Oh, get over yourself"
Eckh.... Association tells aren't bad D1, but Ice has relied a bit on those on his reads which feels like he's creating a little world that revolves around who needs to be lynched rather than looking at his reads in an individual light. If that's understandable.
In post 344, Taly wrote:
The thing that makes me think is - you put out a theory concerning that Wickan and I are scumpair, then Wickan comes in saying that I'm scum buddying you for the back and forth over my vote/unvote on HIM - himself.
From what I'm seeing - I'm being thrown out as an associative with several players at this point - and this isn't even considering Titus saying that I'm scum with RC and you, who you apparently scumread as well.
I don't think people see the how sticky of a situation this is - it causes all kinds of division and miscommunication, and the fact that people discredit me as "woe is me" and "youre a martyr" seriously makes me question their perspective in this game - IE, whether they have an agenda to push something as scum despite what may be presented, or town who actually wants to decipher between the game and work on it.
This is why I considered - and still leaning toward,you being town- and Wickan - being possible scum, for the inconsistencies I've seen of him - and the idea that he hasn't pushed anyone else yet after saying that my wagon isn't going anywhere...
I grant you that you said you were leaning town on him at the end there, but your opinion of him has been decidedly mixed. So to say "I am townreading ICE and have been leaning that way for a while" is disingenous.
So... I'm disingenuous by saying that my townread on Ice is gradually becoming more likely town and that I think he is town...?
But then you just said that I wasn't townreading him......
Why did I think you weren't townreading him? Because you weren't.
You just argued with me saying that I didn't townread him - now you're arguing that I am 'leaning town' or 'townreading' Ice? The nitpicking here looks fabricated....
That doesn't even matter, completely. The fact that you want to misrep and saying that I'd deny any my read before actually consulting me is scummy as hell.
Especially since now you're telling me to my face that I wasn't; and instead scumpaint me further by enforcing the idea that I'm only trying to buddy with him over something that happened 300 posts ago.
THAT'S disingenuous, and makes me think that instead of actually looking at other people to sort - you're only trying to push my wagon further by saying whatever you think you should.
In post 457, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Guess we're done with that conversation? Boring. Who else is around?
What do you want to talk about? I'm very drained mentally though, so I may not be completely responsive.
Wickan, Titus, and ABR are driving me crazy.... My read on Titus and ABR are fluctuating from scum to vague-town and... I haven't seen a post from Wickan that looks town since he broke away from me to actually sort other people - since our 1v1 was distracting ourselves... but then again..... he's pushed nobody else so far in this game with a vote.
Talking to these 3 are just exhausting me... and I'm not getting much clarity here besides the good chance that they are scum
But I keep thinking that 1 or 2 is probably town... Amount of scum is just a WIFOM basket waiting to happen and associatives are just dividing here... So I feel frustrated about this.
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In post 459, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Taly you just seem sort of upset this game. Let's make boxes.
Kinda... More like exhausted and frustrated, though. Not at anyone particular. Just a bit with myself; I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around some people these games.
This D1 so far is not an example of my most focused townplay. >_> I just feel wishy-washy when I know I should assert my pushes.
In post 459, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Box 1 is "I'm not gonna vote these people today"
talah
You
RC
FA
In post 459, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Box 2 is "I could vote these people right now"
Who are in those boxes for you? I don't really need reasons, just names.
SP
Titus- Vote is on her.
Wickan
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I could pursue Ice... But I think he's town versus who I've been pushing these past few pages.
ABR is just hard to try to speak to... I wonder if D2 would be easier - since we'd see flips then. But I wouldn't mind either way, though I wouldn't want to pursue him again right now.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 458, Taly wrote:I have no idea why you're so confident in Wickan being town
He's unlikely to be scum with Ice given their interactions.
Eh... Hmmm.
Idk; I've had some scary thoughts of Wickan and Ice being together but that seems very stretchy at this point.
What do you think of Wickans vote on me, and Wickans interactions with ICE so far?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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OMG, the activity in this thread is completely scandalous! <3 Talk about a rush of motivation coming on. I don't recall being in a game this full of shit.
Today's Friday, so when I get home from school I'll have a lot of time to put my thoughts on in a more concentrated manner.
In post 474, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wickan, talah, Titus, and me vs. ICE, RC, Taly
Is this the gist of how today is gonna go?
RC's been VLA. Talah and I are townreading each other. Wickan is just trying to get people onto my wagon. Ice has derped throughout Titus and I throwing hands with each other. And you're just now talking to me in the abundance I'd have liked you to the past 20 pages. While you and Titus go after Ice.
So... that's my view of this clusterfuck.
In post 485, Wickan wrote:Not Voting: Johnny, Titus, Albert
Could Be Talked Into Voting, But I Wouldn't Be Happy: ICE, Frozen, Talah
Happy To Vote: Taly, RC
I Have No Thoughts: A Simple Plan
Cool. Love to see how you'd be happy to vote someone who you've had your vote on the past 15 pages or so....
Also, why are FA and Talah options exactly?
In post 503, Albert B. Rampage wrote:If you guys want to drag this out for 3 weeks we can, but I don't vote for that plan.
I agree... We really don't need this much time here...
In post 554, JohnnyFarrar wrote:your version of 'townies' is maybe different than mine
also now I'm tipsy so if anyone wants to take advantage~
Johnny.....
But yeah... still connecting the puzzle pieces that is Titus this game.
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I don't have much more time than to just somewhat-skim somewhat-read in the mornings... I kind of want to hear more of this SP being scum. I'm now townreading him at all, but I'm not sure if I caught on to the reasons why he's been wagoned right now.
Also, there is no chance in hell that I'm voting for a NL.
Too much going on with people."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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So..... I have some time to put down my thoughts on SP since he's posting more, and my thinking right now.
Spoiler: Me on SP
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I would say that I'm still getting a scumread on Wickan.... Titus is very scummy in my eyes, but I keep thinking on whether she could be town and we're just bitchfighting again.... I'm very wary of ABR, and I doubt SP is town
Though.. I know at least 1-2 of these people are town. Which makes me want to re-evaluate some thing here.
I'm still down for a Titus lynch atm, but SP has caught my eye...
Eck.....
Johnny, talah, RC - I'd be very happy to have a conversation with you guys atm."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 602, talah wrote:In your spoiler:
In post 601, Taly wrote:Simple Plan wrote:For now, as mentioned in my ABR post, consider this post a pseudo-vote on ICE becauseI don't have a fucking clue what the VC is atand don't want to derp-hammer.Simple Plan wrote:Apparently everyone,according to the most recent vote count(and every prior one back to page two)
Again a direct contradiction from SP. Says he has NFI where the votecount's at so doesn't want to derp-hammer, then expresses an awareness of the current votecount.
Those quotes were different posts though. I'd almost buy that he went back to the VCs afterward (for some reason), but later he says he's "agreeing" to townread me because he was aware of the votecount at the time (the first quote you have there includes him saying he won't vote me).
OK, yeah - I'm piecing things together.
I'm just a little unsure, since he could have went to the VCs afterward... But I'd rather have him respond to my original read post on him before I do something with my vote.
In post 602, talah wrote:In post 596, talah wrote:And talking about that - claiming to have not read my posts to any significant degree -why are you confident that I'm not a player worth lynching today?
Why do you know the votecounts but not what I've posted?In post 598, A Simple Plan wrote:-As I've specified, I know where the ISO button is, and I know how to ISO the mod.It's not hard to watch the vote count progress.
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So he's simultaneously saying he knew nothing about the votecount when he towned me, then saying that he towned me because he knew about the votecount (and was agreeing with consensus).
That only occured to me now reading your post.
I want his will-lynch / won't lynch list.
Can you see Wickan+SP scum?
If he's lynched, and somehow flips town - I'm not exactly sure how to work off of that. (Which is where my uncertainty breeds from) So I think seeing his list would be good.
Also talah, what do you think about Titus? A lot of what I'm seeing looks scummy, but Titus and I don't play similar at all despite alignment.... What do you think about our 1v1?
And what are your thoughts on RC?
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@Johnny
I probably missed part of this, but you've had your vote on Wickan for a good portion of this day so far
But the you changed to SP
Can you explain that?
Also, are you interested in a Titus lynch today?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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@Johnny
Eh... Straight forward and simple...
I ISOed you a bit; I assume you're alright with a Titus lynch - but of course, prefer Wickan?
I'm trying to narrow lynch options here atm. I'm losing some faith in Titus being lynched at this point, RC isn't on - and Titus isn't really responsive to me, beyond that - part of me isn't entirely certain of her.
*The more I p-edit.... Yeah... Titus lynch probably won't happen today, and I'm losing interest in it myself versus the other two candidates.
UNVOTE: Titus
So there's Wickan and SP...
Conversely, Wickans wagon has been the top for the majority of the day - which I already said makes me nervous because both town and scumreads of mine have voted there. The thing is, Wickan hasn't really fought his wagon... and the idea that he's voted for me this long - someone who unvoted on him early - makes wonder if there's scum-scum interaction going on.
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ABR, whats your read on SP?
A Simple Plan wrote:The most recent vote count before my catchup post, according to the ISO, was page 19. I didn't look to see who voted or unvoted who in those last two pages. I read 21, but none of 19 or 20 save for that vote count. For all I knew, there had been X number of ICE votes on 19/20 and mine would've been hammer.
OK.... I'm not sure why Ice would have been lynched in those pages since he was at L-3, but that's where his wagon peaked - so I see what you're saying.
Plus, I don't think you've caught up to this game? You haven't read so much...
Who would you vote today, and who would you not?
@Ice
I'm not going on Wick yet, I want to see SP a bit more before I'm sure."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 611, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 610, Taly wrote:ABR, whats your read on SP?
Not someone I'm interested in lynching in the foreseeable future.
Interesting... Why?
Do you find their contradictions come from scum or town - or see them at all?
In post 612, RadiantCowbells wrote:Please noooo
Sorry RC :c It didn''t look like people were going for Titus today.
In post 614, RadiantCowbells wrote:One of yourself, Wickan, or ASP.
Do you see Wickan+SP scum? Or ABR scum with any of SP or Wickan?
I mean, without Titus' influence?
In post 616, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, but I'm not sure which of the two I want to lynch.
It's a hard decision and I really want to hit scum D1 because I feel like if we don't I won't have momentum to lynch either the others or Titus in the future.
Yeah... We need this.
Plus, is your scumread on Titus mostly gut - or is it something else?
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If Talah wants an SP lynch I'd like for her to come in here now. Otherwise, I'm starting to get a feel for Wickans lynch.
Oddly enough - I feel like me putting Wickan to L-2 would just make others flashlynch him unless he says something now."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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We still have about 2 weeks left. Don't think pissing 14 days is going to help, if not breed apathy since people have strong reads and any decision atm would be beneficial in terms of a flip.
Wickan and SP have not been on at all today... It'd be really helpful if one or both of them came in here right now and said anything, but I'm getting more suspicious as this continues.
The thing about the Wickan wagon; is that I think he's being bussed. But my SP+Wickan thought wouldn't be very legitimate if Wickan flips scum and SP hasn't even touched the wagon, and thinks Wickan is town off of 1 post...
Both seem incredibly scummy; the fact that nobody seems to be opposing SP's lynch worries me - because - *cough* - Titus thinks Wickan is obvtown, and I don't know if anyone in this game understands that logic because I still don't. I feel like someone would have said or done something to get the attention off of SP.
It pisses me off that Titus thinks that nobody can articulate why Wickan is scum because I can build a list on that, and I feel kind of dismissed by this notion.
I just think we really need a vote at this point. I think I'd rather see SP's content more before making an exact decision - talah isn't in here right now, and I really can't go off of anything else besides what I think has been most likely scum throughout this dayphase.
VOTE: Wickan
P-Edit
I guess my vote puts Wickan to L-1?
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FA... what was that vote? o_o Blegh.
I'm OK with a Titus lynch... but I don't like re-voting or unvoting after I set myself onto a decision. RC :c - Talk to me moe. I don't really want to change off of Wickan unless Titus becomes the top wagon.
I can see Titus WKing town.... But this is what gets me on that:
4) You gotta try harder. You can't mislynch ABR or Wickan with me being in the way. Haha. Sorry not sorry.
To me, this looks like she's trying to put attention on herself... This looks like a lot for scum to do. Titus must be hella confident. Figures.
But then again... Scum-Titus would know they were really town.... So she'd want a lynch on them that wouldn't involve herself...
That makes sense for her push on SP.
I don't care how Wickan flips in terms of Titus' alignment - her credit to me is below shit already and by the connections of your thought RC - SP+Titus s a real possibility. But I'm having a hard time trying to see Wickan as town...
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Looking at SPs ISO.... I like that he's putting more thought into his reads, but my only wonder is if he ISOed Wickan in depth because that was something that I found suspicious of him....
Gahh.... I'd rather either lynch Wickan or Titus.
In post 649, Titus wrote:In post 642, Taly wrote:It pisses me off that Titus thinks that nobody can articulate why Wickan is scum because I can build a list on that, and I feel kind of dismissed by this notion.
Why haven't you articulated why Wickan is scum then?
Have you read ANY of my posts that aren't about you?
Oh wait - I should know, you even dismissed those type of posts as 'hate-walls'
Titus wrote:Taly, I engage but with hate walls in this game.
Spoiler: Why Wickan Should Probably Die - Yeah, it's that long.
So there. Those are my thoughts on Wickan. I'm open to a Titus lynch provided I see more that overthrows my initial decision on believing Wickan is the better lynch of today.
And I want to look at SP more thoroughly next dayphase.
So yeah. ._."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Titus.... I cannot believe how horribly you just misrepped and ignored every fucking thing that I said.
Let me digress.
In post 687, Titus wrote:In post 680, Taly wrote:FA... what was that vote? o_o Blegh.
I'm OK with a Titus lynch... but I don't like re-voting or unvoting after I set myself onto a decision. RC :c - Talk to me moe. I don't really want to change off of Wickan unless Titus becomes the top wagon.
I can see Titus WKing town.... But this is what gets me on that:
4) You gotta try harder. You can't mislynch ABR or Wickan with me being in the way. Haha. Sorry not sorry.
To me, this looks like she's trying to put attention on herself... This looks like a lot for scum to do. Titus must be hella confident. Figures.
But then again... Scum-Titus would know they were really town.... So she'd want a lynch on them that wouldn't involve herself...
That makes sense for her push on SP.
I don't care how Wickan flips in terms of Titus' alignment - her credit to me is below shit already and by the connections of your thought RC - SP+Titus s a real possibility. But I'm having a hard time trying to see Wickan as town...
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Looking at SPs ISO.... I like that he's putting more thought into his reads, but my only wonder is if he ISOed Wickan in depth because that was something that I found suspicious of him....
Gahh.... I'd rather either lynch Wickan or Titus.
In post 649, Titus wrote:In post 642, Taly wrote:It pisses me off that Titus thinks that nobody can articulate why Wickan is scum because I can build a list on that, and I feel kind of dismissed by this notion.
Why haven't you articulated why Wickan is scum then?
Have you read ANY of my posts that aren't about you?
Oh wait - I should know, you even dismissed those type of posts as 'hate-walls'
Titus wrote:Taly, I engage but with hate walls in this game.
Spoiler: Why Wickan Should Probably Die - Yeah, it's that long.
So there. Those are my thoughts on Wickan. I'm open to a Titus lynch provided I see more that overthrows my initial decision on believing Wickan is the better lynch of today.
And I want to look at SP more thoroughly next dayphase.
So yeah. ._.
First part about changing wagons is rather www if I am right and Wickan is town as well (I am). She wants to keep town as the top wagon and that's the primary motivation there.
What is WWW? o_O
And I'm scumreading Wickan, because I don't understand why he's obvtown after the many things I've listed against him.
The fact that you'd rather continue to impose a townread as an excuse to ignore someone and cast suspicion on them without any continuation of a push suggests that you're avoiding something and you're also trying to divide the town by intentionally miscommunicating with others.
In post 687, Titus wrote:Then there's a shit ton of theory crafting to overreach and basically discredit. If Wickan is town, Titus is trying to make sure that the wagon doesn't include her. If Wickan is scum, Titus tries to save a buddy. Taly sheeps RC's wagon reasoning (but with totally different words) but then calls RC scum.
Back up for a minute.
WHEN have I scumread RC?
RC is one of my stronger townreads. This is misrep number 1. I'm still in awe that you paint ANY of my posts the past few pags as theory and discrediting others when I'm trying to figure out the game.
And how am I sheeping RC's wagon reasoning? I'm still a bit more confident in my vote on Wickan as it is. Keep on with your audacious lying and that may change.
In post 687, Titus wrote:Taly's defense of SP is off. There's no evidence of that. ASP posted "this is Wickan's ISO" I find it scummy is not showing depth of thought whatsoever.
What defense are you even talking about? There's been several times these past few pages where I pondered a lot on SP scum - I even questioned the basis of his Wickan ISO as if he was trying to get attention off of them being associated.
I'm still in a spiral trying to understand you Titus....
In post 687, Titus wrote:I read your posts. I also never called your walls hate walls. I said I hate walls.
Alright, I'll take this at face value.
Please use different wording other than
Titus wrote:Taly, I engage but with hate walls in this game
Because that infers to me that you think my walls are just irrationally picking at you - and so you dismiss a lot of points I put up by this.
In post 687, Titus wrote:Your reasons for Wickan is scum are not reasons. You IioAed the thread and made many contradictions yourself. You complain about Wickan's vote being parked but ignore my highlighting the Wickan wagon has been vote parked since RVS. You deny that you and Ice have been up each other's ass the entire time but in a less transparent manner. You refuse to reconsider your reads or provide analysis on why Wickan is scum.
Wtf does IioAed mean?
So me finding contractions in Wickans pushes are no reasons for him to be scum?
But contradictions tht you fabricated in my reasoning against Wickan is scum?
Thanks for the conf-bias. It's clear to me that trying to reason with you at all is likely is not going to do anything at this point...
And what are you talking about me and Ice being on each others ass this entire time?
Do you not see that a lot of my posts point to ME thinking that YOU'RE scummy - and people besides Ice? Ice and I haven't had any major confronation since around page 7 or so...
I legitimately have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
You're twisting this so much... It's staring to show as manipulative in a very toxic way... Wow.
Wickan wrote:Okay, I'm finally back.
RadiantCowbells's post read like a desperate attempt to justify a Titus scumread.
@Titus: welcome to where I've been all game. You're welcome to join me on the Taly wagon.
Why are you JUST NOW here? Especially after the abomination of a post Titus' was?
And you prodding her to jump my wagon at this point? That just looks like a work-of-art scum maneuver.
Side-Note Titus: Try to make you fox-posting less obvious between engagements.
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FA, we can still talk about Titus and Wickan. Wickans posted but didn't address anything against him - what do you think about Titus' recent posts?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 693, Titus wrote:There has to be something against him to address.
IIoA is information over analysis.
Did you not see ANY of my post links on him?
In post 693, Titus wrote:I meant ewwww when autocorrect changed to www.
Why we shouldn't phone-post 101.
In post 693, Titus wrote:There are no contradictions in Wickan's posting.
Again. Tell me how there was no contradiction - I explicitly stated his in my post listing why he's scum - and you can ISO me, quite a few of my posts point out contradictions.
You can even ISO Wickan to see; but you probably won't since I doubt you eve ISOed him in the first place before writing him off as obvtown. If I'm wrong, then I want you to delve into Wickan and tell me how it's town.
In post 693, Titus wrote:You have contradiction. You just said RC could be scum and now claim you never scumread RC.
Taly wrote:I don't care how Wickan flips in terms of Titus' alignment - her credit to me is below shit already and by the connections of your thought RC - SP+Titus s a real possibility. But I'm having a hard time trying to see Wickan as town...
Other than me saying I wanted RC to speak to me. There is nothing else I said to OR about RC.
IF you're referring to the possibility I put up - that was SP and YOU, yourself. I never said RC could be scum.
But that's not the point here - you deliberately ignored everything I said about Wickan and instead nitpicked a fabricated reason from my post to incriminate me instead of actually responding and trying to work this with me."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Today has been a rollercoaster in emotions for me, not game related. X_X
I can understand that Wickan has been busy and stuff; but the fact that he just started posting - still pushing for me - when Titus misrepped me and ABR is now switching his vote onto me - this looks dangerous; I can't see all of them being town anymore at this point because this looks like a set-up almost. I believe there's at least 1, maybe 2 scum here.
Then there's ABR's voting... Which I'm still trying to wrap my head around and I'm failing.
You tell Titus to stop derailing wagons... Yet your vote-change puts Wickan back to L-3...
Was the talah vote a mistake? Tbh, I don't understand how people confuse us.
And you switch back to Wickan after the VCA.... Yeah, I'm not understanding the thought process here.
In post 715, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wickan is ballsy if he's scum.
Best move for his survival would be to join a main wagon, not hold out.
VOTE: Taly
You ponder the possibility of Wickan being scum; yet remove him from being the top wagon to keep him alive, while jumping onto the wagon he's pushing?
In post 721, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Better than getting lynched D1.
Yeah... This sounds survivalistic, which doesn't look town-motivated....
But ABR, I'm willing to hear about your vote on me.
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I kind of like the exchange of Titus in questioning ABR... But I'm still wary of them both.
Wickan putting SP in the "not voting" margin without even acknowledging his ISO on him doesn't sit well with me.
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Johnny, I feel like the Wickan wagon is dying... Which feels incredibly weird since I'm doubting that possible scum is bussing Wickan now. Especially since I put him to L-1 and now my wagon is taking a leap by people I've suspected.
Are you good with the Titus wagon now?
Her switch onto me just almost confirms my suspicions - I feel like a Titus flip would be more helpful in seeing than Wickans at this point.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 729, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Nope. Heavy meta reads and picking on word usage is an interesting but unconvincing way to vote, and Titus hasn't really done anything this game that looks scummy. Unless you think you have something?
A lot of her posts ring to me as scummy; and I'm not on the Titus wagon for heavy meta reads or even that much of RCs reasoning. (Tbh, I've been in several games with Titus and I can never say that there's a definitive playstyle in her meta, I'm going off what I think is scum here.)
My original push on Titus; I listed and picked apart why I had problems with her responses.
I'm really distrustful of the positioning on the wagons here. I put Wickan to L-1, he gets unvoted, I respond to Titus who said that nobody could articulate Wickan-scum, I did - she misrepped me and still hasn't even replied to me on my responses to her 'accusation' and now my wagon is actually going places with really unexplained votes.
This is all after I think thoroughly on the possibilities of Wickan, SP, and Titus being scum and me saying of how I don't entirely trust the Wickan wagon because it has both scum and townreads I hold on i.
None of the interactions with me here feel genuine, if anything - it feels like this was planned.
Wickans wagon is being unvoted a lot; are you still content on staying there? You haven't said a lot on why Wickan is scum himself."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Sigh... People I've played with before are throwing hands onto each other and people are throwing out associatives - and it's partially amongst some of my own townreads.
I cannot ratify all of this.
I feel like I'm only content with Wickan or Titus today, and my vote is becoming dependent on whos getting the most votes because it doesn't matter how they flip at this point, either way they'll get a huge amount of info. and I still believe their scum.
talah, I don't know what makes you townread Titus. I don't know why Johnny doesn't see anything scummy. A lot of her performance doesn't look like town to me.
When I compare that to Wickan and ABR; I do see that Wickan and ABR have actually done things that would be extremely scummy, especially Wickan. Though, nobody seems content with ABR lynch today, RC and FA aren't going to move from their Titus tunnel...
And every vote and scumread I do, I'm either being misrepped and painted as scum, or told that I'm voting town.
And whenever I voted Wickan to get a consensus so our town impass would finally fall, people unvote; go to other wagons, and now I'm being pushed with literally NO engagement so far on why.
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This is my thought process in 10 minutes. I would like someone to work with me on that."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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@Mod, my vote is currently on Titus.
In post 757, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 755, Taly wrote:RC and FA aren't going to move from their Titus tunnel
false. I said I'm scum reading both wickan and titus. I'm really far behind in this game. I need to update myself.
I will catch up tomorrow because I have a very hard exam tomorrow.
Well, it doesn't look like RC will at this point.
Looking forward to your catch-up post.
In post 758, ICEninja wrote:Taly wrote:
And whenever I voted Wickan to get a consensus so our town impass would finally fall, people unvote; go to other wagons, and now I'm being pushed with literally NO engagement so far on why.
This is what it's like trying to lynch scum when scum doesn't want to bus, especially on D1.
This is why it took awhile for me to re-vote Wickan after support for the Titus lynch took a nosedive for 2 seconds.
It also - almost confirms - that someone was bussing Wickan. That person is now probably on my wagon.
In post 759, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm happy where my vote is. I'm happy sitting here until the time elapses. Do something, or don't. The choice is yours.
Yay, so you'll tunnel AND provide little to nothing else even though you've yet to explain why I'm scum, or even consider it from what I'm seeing.
In post 760, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 748, talah wrote:What happened to your read on Ice anyway, ABR?
Taly is the scummiest player to me right now. I'll re-evaluate Ice after the flip.
So I came from 'can be scum' to 'scummiest player' for voting Wickan to L-1, calling out Titus for misrepping me, and then calling out the fact that most likely scum-group so far in this game just switched onto my wagon for voting their 'little-explained townread'?
Yeah. I'm totally scum.
In post 761, Titus wrote:Join us Talah. Then all my major townreads can be on the same wagon.
'Major townreads'?
So... You finally have more than like... 2?
Yeah, this doesn't look genuine.
In post 763, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ice, help me vote Titus.
RC, please work something out with Johnny or Ice here.
Otherwise, we're not going to get a consensus lynch between town.
And yes, I'm prodding Johnny to do the same to RC in vice versa."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 765, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 764, Taly wrote:Yay, so you'll tunnel AND provide little to nothing else even though you've yet to explain why I'm scum, or even consider it from what I'm seeing.
I will explain it when I decide to. Not on your time.
Well, until you DO decide to actually say anything to the town for once and not dismiss current discussion -
I'll go by my own time and think what I believe is the most likely reason for your push on me - which is leaning on scum-motivated.
But I'm still all ears to hear your reason for pushing me.
Btw, you and the theme that we have "all the time in the world" to make a decision only makes me think that you're pushing for an agenda.
Especially since you derailed a wagon everyone seemed to believe was scum, and darted after a vote on me for initiating that wagon to L-1 - for that persons 'survival'
RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not compromising. I can't specify why, but it has something to do with the rate of me being N1ed.
Not even for ABR?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 768, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 767, Taly wrote:Especially since you derailed a wagon everyone seemed to believe was scum, and darted after a vote on me for initiating that wagon to L-1 - for that persons 'survival'
If you think I unvoted Wickan because I'm scum with him, why are you voting Titus now?
A Few Things
1)I do have reasons in my mind that suggest you tell me you guys are scum, but I'm not 100% tbh; that's why my vote has moved frequently; hence why part of my reason for voting Wickan to L-1 was to get consensus since his wagon wasn't dying at that point, and several people - myself included, believed that he was the most scummy player and I still hold a scumread on him.
2)There is no way of knowing whether we have 2 or 3 scum in this game; is it a negative that I think 3 people could be scum?
3)I already explained and referenced several times why in 692 and 694 that Titus' post on me was a big misrep 687, and only to what I can assume was to incriminate me as scum when I voted for Wickan - and since she - nor anybody who has pushed me, has looked at those posts in depth, really puts a big question mark over my head - and the dismissive behavior rings nothing less but scum trying to set-up a mislynch to me.
4)Titus was the first person to initially gut townread you, and shit all over Wickans wagon - discrediting it while doing little to push any of her own. The fact that you and Titus jumped on my wagon after I unvoted Wickan to L-1 - then he was unvoted - tells me that I'm probably right about one of my theories involving scum between you 3 in some form.
5)Furthermore, I'm not entirely confirmed on someone having bussed Wickan; but I think it's a major possibility. I'm pursuing anything with my vote that's most likely going to lynch scum or provide an abundant amount of information in helping finding them, or the rest. I'm not townreading the people I've voted for so far.
Now, I'm glad that someone's actually asking me questions...
But I'd like some explanation from your side at some point...
In post 769, RadiantCowbells wrote:Not even for ABR?
Definitely not.
ABR towned up the slot a metric ton since I was scumreading him. He's not one of my major lynch interests.
I want Titus and I want her badly.
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I am voting Titus, and I still want her lynch too.
I just see that Johnny and people on Wickans wagon have a very similar feeling about him as you do Titus from what it seems.
I feel like nothing is really getting done unless someone does something, and I'm not finding Wickan and ABR any much townier than I did 2-3 pages ago - which was not town at all. Though I wonder if I should reconsider my ABR read, but I don't believe he's in the lynchpool today."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 782, RadiantCowbells wrote:Says the guy not voting Titus.
RC... you can do better than this.
In post 783, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Half the reason I don't want Titus dead is because if she flips town what the fuck was the point
That could either validate part of RC's tunnel theory on Titus who is scum WKing town - or remove it as a possibility.
But... I feel like this could also happen if we lynch Wickan, which I'm leaning towards since RC is just telling people to sheep him...
Titus wrote:In post 786, JohnnyFarrar wrote:There's no reason this Wick wagon shouldn't be happening. It has enough stated support.
Maybe cuz it's scum driven? You think of that?
Most likely scum stopped driving it the first time I put it to L-1, and then the unvotes occurred - and then I got wagoned for literally no stated reason.
Like duh.
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@Mod.... My vote is on Titu-
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You know what, I'm just going to make this legal.
UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: Wickan
Now this is at L-1 ---- Unless SP is somehow working solely based off of my idea of the theory of him and Wickan being scum - and working against it - which is only something I want to look at post-flip, then I'm feeling confident in the wagon right now."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 791, Frozen Angel wrote:
oookay!
so
taly what motives you for all these fast changes? it seems you just want a lynch on wickan - titus ?
Yeah, I do want a lynch on Wickan or Titus today --(not exactly so much on Wickan, but I'll get to that in a minute.). I've given my thoughts on why they're both scum in my eyes, and I've listened to others' ideas on why they aren't, and why they are - and I feel as if bringing up other people as lynch candidates at this point are just going to bring more of wall between town on deciding who to lynch. IE, a flip on one of these two is useful.
Granted, Wickan's claim does make me second guess my scumread on him; I'll get to that in a minute, but I may reconsider some of my reads very soon.
Also, with my posts these past few pages; I toyed around with several ideas of possible scum and why; peoples reaction to my vote on Wickan - or at least, peoples unexplained push on me afterward FOR wickan - validated a lot of my suspicions of people I generally scumread. Since people are divided on the lynch candidate today, my quick changes are basically trying to get info., be open with people, and pushing for what I think is the best option overall as discussion progresses.
Furthermore; I don't really understand your comment of me 'needing to try more' - I've stated reasons, gave possible ideas and theories, pushed people I thought were scum multiple times, even listed some of my uncertainties, and I'm making an effort trying to get people to respond to them.
I don't know what you're asking of me.
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Wickan claimed Hider? In my like... 8-10 games ever, - I've been in like 2-3 mini normals - which isn't very credible but I haven't seen this role before...
OK, I'm re-reading the past 2 pages now... I'm good with creating a pool, I feel like SP, ABR, and/or RC/Titus should be in the group of people.
I'm not entirely sold on the claim atm; I feel like we could have avoided a NK if Wickan claimed something like cop. (Which is a gambit, but that could have potentially led to a scum lynch now and no town death and we'll have conf-town later) I'm not sure what Wickans intentions were to claim a role like that now other than to not be lynched, and to not be seen as an NK target, which is WIFOM-y as hell because if he's scum fake-claiming, then town is in a tough-ass position.
But the thing here is, I can also see town doing this for the exact same reasons...
In any case, this looks weird.
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@Mod, didn't Johnny unvote Wickan?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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That's fair... I can't really disagree with that.
In post 852, Titus wrote:To be clear, Talah is not a lurker both both sides appear to townread her.
Reason 1# why talah is my most paranoid townread.
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I rarely get NKed; but when I do - it's extremely early in game.
I get wagoned a lot, especially when I'm town. But a lot of my wagons are scum-led throughout my games...
Meh.... It feels dumb to push for a Titus lynch now and the pool is a valid strategy, so lynching Wickan isn't the best option right now.
UNVOTE:
The thing here is - I want to vote Bells, because of reasons similar to Johnny. But then I want to vote SP because... I've yet to have a 'aha' moment on his alignment, and I don't see anything majorly towny at this point; it's just suspicion.
But wait - why are we lynching SP if he's in the pool for Wickan to hide behind - but not RC?
Did I misread?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 873, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 872, Taly wrote:But then I want to vote SP because... I've yet to have a 'aha' moment on his alignment, and I don't see anything majorly towny at this point; it's just suspicion.
Do it.
Can we stop with this "sheep me" shit that 1/3 of this playerlist loves doing? This is why I'm not keen on RC the past few pages.
I'd like my questions answered for once.
In post 882, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think RC should go in the pool though instead of Talah.
So that's why SP's being wagoned as well?
P-Edit
So ABR unvotes.
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In post 897, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Can we stop with this "sheep me" shit that 1/3 of this playerlist loves doing? This is why I'm not keen on RC the past few pages.
I'd like my questions answered for once.
Keen on RC?
Just because I've beaten you all as scum at least once doesn't mean that we're autolynching me because you're afraid you can't read me.
This is sheer lunacy.
OK... I don't remember a game where you were scum and I wasn't... I do remember a game where we were both scum; and I'm torn on you because the majority of your posts come across as genuine.
What I don't get is; Nobody is answering my questions... Whenever I ask something, whenever I say I don't understand something... There's only - maybe 2 or 3 people who has actually engaged with me in coherent terms thus far in this game. Then votes fly everywhere, and nobody seems willing to communicate beyond going after someone.
Am I fucking insane for trying to figure out this game before I make my own actions?
Sigh... This is so damn frustrating."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 906, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Careful with that persecution complex baby, you doing want to live a life of perceived slights
What do you want to know Taly?
Are you referring to the persecution part to me? What do you mean exactly? (I'm not offended or anything)
This is what I want to know:
1)Is the 3-pool the people the hider is going to hide behind? If so, why is SP wagoned, if not - why is RC not wagoned?
I'm not 100% sure if I grasp this concept.
2)This is an ABR question... But I'm still trying to decipher his votes for the past several pages, and now his unvote - which I can see because of him wanting SP and Ice to respond, but I'm not seeing a major connection?
ABR has literally not answered most of anything I've asked him.
3)If RC is so adamant on Titus... I want to hear more about them on Titus... There's just so much questioning here - a lot of push-pull on these two in terms of reads and pushes...
4)More of question to Wickan - why didn't you crumb or do anything about it?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 909, Titus wrote:1) Yes. We can wagon who we want. We just have a replacement if ASP is lynched. Right now its Talah.
Rest aren't for me.
OK, I'm understanding this now.
In post 910, Wickan wrote:4) I've been under heavy suspicion from the beginning. I did not think that a crumb would help my credibility in the slightest. And I'm not sure what else you would've wanted me to do about it.
I just wanted to know your thought process; it sounds close to home, tbh.
In post 911, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 908, Taly wrote:
Are you referring to the persecution part to me? What do you mean exactly? (I'm not offended or anything)
Yes. People skim, it happens. It's not meant as an insult to you, you'll notice it happens with anyone who makes real big posts (Frozen's catch-up is a good example) so just work on being more succinct. I get responses and I don't even storm shit right half the time
I'm not insulted or anything.
Yeah, I can get wordy and it's sometimes difficult get across some message. Meh, this usually happens when I'm not understanding something when I think it should be obvious. (And when I partially feel like I'm being persecuted myself)
I'm calm now.
In post 911, JohnnyFarrar wrote:1)Is the 3-pool the people the hider is going to hide behind? If so, why is SP wagoned, if not - why is RC not wagoned?
I'm not 100% sure if I grasp this concept.
There's a pool of three people Wick will hide behind. He chooses one of those to hide behind, tells us which of the three the next day if he lives. This cuts the chances of scum getting the double kill to 1/3 and gives us a small lynch pool if he dies because he targeted scum.
That pool is currently the people closest to getting lynched besides Wick, so Asp is currently in it. Bells (or Talah? Haven't finished arguing) will replace Aspy if we lynch him
P-edit: ANSWERS
Ah, I see now.
In post 912, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Also Wick pulling out a 'hiding' joke from 400 posts ago is plenty crumb enough for me, unless you want to tell me he was planning his fake claim 20 pages ago?
Can you link the post?
In post 913, RadiantCowbells wrote:If so, why is SP wagoned, if not - why is RC not wagoned?
Why the fuck would RC GET wagoned.
Why wouldn't RC get wagoned?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 917, RadiantCowbells wrote:I spent this entire day trying to get people to lynch Titus and now you're trying to lynch me because me trying to lynch her is apparently not producing content.
New flash: not until she's dead will you have me committed to content form that's not about her.
You want to scumread me, you want to lynch me, be my guest. I caught scum, I'm done now.
1)I didn't say I'm scumreading you.
2)I didn't say I wanted to lynch you.
3)I'm still deciphering between you and Titus because I'm thinking about my reads more, and even though I haven't liked a lot of Titus' posts; I don't think their approach is bad in terms of the hider pool. Conversely - if you really want a Titus lynch to go through, then why not say anything about what she's posting now?
In post 921, A Simple Plan wrote:UNVOTE:
Okay, so the hider is a thing.
I think this hider pool idea is rather dumb. Our plan needs to be to have him target one of the most suspicious players, the ones who haven't contributed as much and don't appear to. It leads to three scenarios:
1) target is scum, Wickan dies, and scum gets two deaths in exchange for a guaranteed lynch.
2) target is town, scum kills target, but get two less-than-stellar kills instead.
3) target is town, and scum targets someone else, allowing for a presumably confirmed townie pair in the game and drastically narrows down the suspect pool for D2.
ANY WAY we look at it, worst case scenario is 7p tomorrow without a confirmed scum but much greater opportunity to figure the scum team out. Better possibilities, only one death plus two confirmed townies, or even a confirmed scum, and assuming target is town, it creates a tough decision for scum to deal with.
Alternatively, what do we get from the three-player hider pool? It creates WIFOM for scum, but WIFOM for town the following day if he dies because we can't be sure if he targeted town and died due to the scum kill or targeted scum. A definite target at least gives us information.
Since I was asked, to sum it up, I'm not 100% sure in Wickan's claim, but it bought him a day.
Not Lynching: Johnny, ABR, Wickan
Give me a case and it's possible: ICE, RC, Talah, Titus (though those last two will need to be damn good cases)
Potentially Scum (would lynch): Taly, FA
I've been reading since page 21, and I think I've caught on with a Johnny tell. Wickan I won't lynch due to his claim, and I've been confident in my ABR townread since I ISO'd him around page 21, and I haven't seen anything to change that.
P-edit: I might be willing to lynch RC based off of that post about 20 minutes ago. This tunnel is ridiculous.
So...
You aren't sure about Wickan's claim, but you think the hider pool is dumb...
You put Wickan from being 'scum lean' to 'not lynching' because of his claim...
But you list the alternative to the hider pool being harmful to scum
What information do you think comes from trying to have a definitive target?
In post 929, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Weak vote.
Speaking of weak votes...
Last interaction I had concerning you was that I said I wasn't getting any answers or engagements, and now I'm re-voted.
In post 934, Frozen Angel wrote:With all regards I don't buy hider claim. I checked lots of normal games Not even 1 contain that role.
I'm willing to lynch titus right now. this might clear up lots of things
VOTE: Titus
and I think we must send Wickon on ASP
Your vote was already on Titus.
What do you think of RC the past page or 2?
I could agree with Wickan hiding behind ASP - the only 2 townreads I'm becoming confident about is Johnny and Ice. Then there's you, and talah who I townread to a smaller extent; but wouldn't vote or lynch today."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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In post 938, Frozen Angel wrote:yeah I found that out after that vote
RC seems tunneling hard. I believe its his town. maybe I'm wrong but its my little meta read on him.
Not really.
In my scum game with RC (also the one Johnny has referenced to) - RC tunneled me page 2 all the way to page 30 where I finally got lynched/bussed and scum won since we confused the fuck out of town.
Tunneling is something you'd see from RC in general - the thing that I'm trying to figure out - is if his posts, and mentality to this game is town of him, or scum of him.
In post 944, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We vote out Taly.
Still waiting for an explanation....
Glad you're ignoring me after I've engaged with you, though.
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Titus is slowly falling off of my scumreads.
Where is talah?
P-Edit
Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 937, Taly wrote:Last interaction I had concerning you was that I said I wasn't getting any answers or engagements, and now I'm re-voted.
I've learned to not get into one on one discussions with wordy players in the habit of posting walls. Replying to you isn't worth it.
I need to sign off now. My blood pressure is rising.
I can't tell if you're insulting me, or if I just feel offended by how thoroughly you're dismissing me - I rarely see town do this, and this behavior racks up town losses. Especially since you'rewrong,and you probably don't want me to point that out."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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In post 950, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't argue with scum. My job is to convince everyone else to vote you, not to win a battle of words with you and pat myself on the back.
Yeah, what are you going to do when I flip town?
Again, you're assuming, dismissing, and saying whatever you can to lynch someone instead of contributing to discussion and figuring out the game.
And no; I don't engage walls with people to "win" - I do so to get people to SEE my beliefs and thinking on the game at hand.
You not questioning, responding appropriately, or just pushing someone for no stated reason or to understand who you're scumreading - tells me that you either don't care - likely scum - or are way too confident, which can be town - but really dangerous either way.
Also, the fact that you think this is a "battle of words" instead of communicating tells me your combative mindset to this game, which doesn't look town mindset."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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In post 952, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You have one vote on you and you're completely freaking out as if you're getting lynched, already talking about your flip and threatening me. The way you're defensive and blowing my single vote on you out of proportion is exactly what I anticipated from your behavior. You're finished in this town.
1)Yeah, I do have 1 vote. Except... I had 3, and for little reasoning stated after I pushed someone to L-1 who I thought was most likely scum. You never replied to my answers to you, and you never answered me when I questioned you.
2)Who said I was freaking out? The only thing I got frustrated with was you dismissing me - the fact that you'd rather point fingers when someone goes after your push doesn't sit well with me. Especially since you're not providing reasons, you claim that you're trying to get people on the wagon, yet you seem as if your own vote isn't that big.
3)"Threaten you?" Um.... What did I say that was a threat, at all?.... Again, you're acting as if I'm pinning you against the wall but then you write me off as scum and don't even bother trying to say anything.
4)You anticipated this behavior? Nice to know you have an agenda, since it's void of all explanation or any other thought besides lynching someone from what I see - it looks sketchy as fuck.
5)Since when is defensiveness at all as scum-tell? You think town should just sit around and guess whether or not a push on them is scum or town driven?
How am I being defensive when I'm trying to get you to actually reason with me?
6)"You're finished in this town." Oh... So, that's not you saying that you're trying to lynch me? Then why do you go back and say I'm freaking out when I'm pointing out the issues with your approach to your push?
Yeah. You cut off trying to reason, you still push my lynch anyway, but then you tell me I'm threatening you, freaking out, and blowing this out of proportion.
Your 'simple vote' doesn't mean much to me.
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Who's next in line after SP?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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In post 959, Titus wrote:In post 958, JohnnyFarrar wrote:You guys can do that one without me. I can't believe Taly's scum game is this radically different from the last time I saw it.
You said this a lot. Which game?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=63741 >> I know I linked this earlier this game, probably around post 400 or something.
He means this. My only game as mafia ever, and on this site.
(I was SK once, but you were in that game Titus. I NKed you Titus, after not getting into shit with ANYONE.)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60966 >> Not really relevant, but this is my SK game too.
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Yeah, I'm inactive as fuck as scum; otherwise, I'm very 'calculated' with votes and set-up."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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In post 969, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Dude after he put Wickan at L-1, all he's done is complain about me and make useless comments like "why wouldn't you be scum RC?"
He's basically given up after Wickan didn't happen.
This is scum.
Misrep and exaggeration.
I put Wickan to L-1 to progress the game and to either get information to re-think my reads, or to validate them.
Also, I never said "why wouldn't you be scum RC"
I said "why wouldn't you be wagoned" - I was prompting him to provide reasons against him already instead of shutting down, firing at people, and saying to either "lynch me or titus" which is not only a dichotomy that's bad enough, the approach was seriously unhelpful.
Furthermore, that's not all I've done. I've tried to get you to respond to me and give your reasons, I've even questioned several people to get a better idea of the gamestate and to clarify what I was confused about, and I'm still continuing with my thoughts, questions, and assertions while considering which wagon should be pursued.
If I gave up, then why would I bother trying to speak to you if you've ignored me?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage