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Shit wrong fallacy but logically flawed
Past results (me being scum in games) has no correlation to here because the role PMs were randomized at the start.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Don’t apologize for a good thing. Paranoia and reevaluating is good.In post 10689, Sakura Hana wrote:Sorry, when im universally townread my paranoia can reach sky high. Because i cant ever tell the difference from scum TRing me than town TRing me.
I would rather you reevaluate and build a case and be wrong than never reevaluate because that case can be used for reactions elsewhere and right now we are desperately short on reads conversations.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Iirc BP was available that night however if you’re arguing that I am scum your argument is that I could kill anyone because SS but in that case why no obvTown death? Are you attempting to argue that I asked everyone to be BP took the thing that got around BP and then decided to not use it?In post 10688, Toranaga wrote:he will kill stungun because stungun was always unprotected that night and then he'll give a scum slot power instead
that is why you kill stungun
I said this days ago
I have games where I have stomped, ask Drixx about Shadowrun, it’s the closest mechanically to this one except well I am town here, and what I did in a clearly protown setup as scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Except it actually imho isn’t.In post 10683, Toranaga wrote:the game math is playing is infiltrating the towncore so he can pass along powers to scum
it's how you win this game as scum
In this setup you want town to focus on town the entire time. If I had been scum and in this from the start I woulda swore off powers and just fake hunted. Then I would be perceived as not a threat. It’s why I think all the scum are in the PoE.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am town.In post 10678, Sakura Hana wrote:I feel like, if Math keeps using precog anyway scum can just sort him for us.
Also town math and me tend to clash on reads a lot.
AH DAMMIT I DONT EVEN KNOW.
I just want someone to tell me if im probably right or just flat out wrong.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What you’re doing here is a tactic I use as scum quite often.In post 10677, Toranaga wrote:@sakura: look, the thing is, if I keep shouting about math it doesn't matter at this point and just antagonizes me and him. which, if he is town, really sucks. but if more people are feeling the same thing, then there's a good chance we're right.
look, didn't he just say if kokichi flips town then people shouldn't do my plan? you think kokichi is indeed town, right? and math is doing this v/w associative read with me and kokichi that doesn't even work just because it was the guy I was voting at the time. it's agenda driven bullshit you know?
It’s something I am actually trying to incorporate into my town games more often.
It’s the idea of planting seeds. You plant a seed that “what about this” gently. Then someone runs with it and then you “sheep”. You’re suggesting that I am scum based on nothing and seeing how people take it.
And that is why you ping me. You’re doing what I would do as scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because I am not playing a scum game is your answer. Go look at when Tor first suggested that I am scum today. It has a lot of reasons Tor ignored. Explore them. If you find incorrectly I could be scum after that, then you should be able to explain why.In post 10675, Sakura Hana wrote:OTOH if Math is scum here im not sure exactly what kind of game he's playing coz a lot of the mechanical stuff has been kinda anti scum. Math himself hasnt been able to use any powers due to using precog, so why did scum not kill him N3? Why did scum let me live N4 if Math didnt gave power to stun and instead someone else? Was it because of my 100% using SS BP statement?
A lot of these questions are popping into my head.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 10095, MathBlade wrote:
Hang on a second here.In post 9941, Toranaga wrote:let me explain to you very succintly why this sucks
1 - scum was elected leader on n1 and we don't know how many wolves got powers that day. we don't know what their powers are. we don't know who titus gave power to instead of ankamius.
2 - if scum slipped into the towncore as well, then they have a lot of powers by now and can absolutely fuck our "bombing plan" up in many ways.
3 - scum can negate, redirect, amplify or BP themselves against the suicides
4 - flipping everyone in a POE and then determine that whoever we don't flip is scum does not fucking work cause there will be situations where scum just WIFOMs the fuck out of it
5 - we are playing a horribly townsided setup where we elect a leader and we know the majority of players who got powers and which powers are those. we have informative, protective and other types of abilities that will always lead to a town win as long as we don't fuck this up. we benefit from playing slowly because we gain a ton of information every gameday. we control the abilities. we bulletproof our towniest people. nuking an entire POE that's actually way too big and could be wrong is the fucking worst plan ever.
so please the worst, you just stop this mate. I know you're bored with the game and want to nuke everyone. that's not the proper way to play this though, and I'm not gonna stand by it.
I'm especially not gonna stand by it when that was also FA's opinion and unfortunately she had to not be in this game anymore cause mathblade's AtE. which honestly is pretty disgusting if you're scum, math. I hope you're not. I think you might be.
My AtE was not disgusting. First of all, you don't know me. And you don't know the IRL shit I have been through. Online and IRL I have been the victim of several IRL attacks. That post was after calming down a bit. FA was freaking out over being reported. There are site rules for a reason. Independent of my alignment (hint it's town) I am well within my rights to not just take threats to my life idly by for how I am playing a fucking game. There are disagreements. There will always be disagreements as this is mafia. I should NOT have to come online to see posting that makes me want to curl in a corner and hide. Even if I was scum (hint I'm not) I absolutely make the posting I have done with no regrets. FA IMHO completely understood that crossed a line and apologized. That may be cool where she is, but it is not cool on MS. I come here to play with friends. Not try to figure out whether a death threat is legitimate. I can take being called stupid, dumb, my plans idiotic. That's fine. That's why I opened them up to examination.
It's why I freaking suggested the town block that I helped suggest to Sakura in the goddamn first place take BP and SS so that way nothing short of a miracle could get through. Because I have faith in this town. Now as scum (which I'm not) why the ever lovingfuck would I make an army of confirmed town that I can't kill? I specifically devised that plan in mind so that scum would have to out that specific night and you could even fucking validate that I use precog that night. Like I understand paranoia, but calling me disgusting for that?
I have yet to see a case here or anything of the sort to interact with here at all. The reason we are in this state is because I am bending over backwards to make sure to try to be cooperative yet at the same time argue for what I think is best.
For me to be scum I would have to have a death wish:
A) Inextricably link myself to Titus despite "bussing" her ("bussing" is in quotes as it's literally impossible for me to bus as I am town)
B) Make sure everyone who knows my scum meta is unkillable so at any time they could “out” me if I ever repeat it.
C) Argue for a plan well beyond it’s “agreeable” point thus highlighting my slot
D) Willingly share powers the day before instead of saying "No! I need to be BP." or "Help me be protected".
E) Not anticipate all power avenues and sort them out accordingly. That's something I always do as scum.
F) Advocate for this specific block when asked about it multiple times by Sakura
Like I don't understand your case on me, I don't understand why you're suspicious about the bombs, and I don't understand anything you're saying and quite frankly each time I read it I feel like my brain is in a blender.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am gonna check in after a brief nap but quite frankly the only valid point I see here is Sakura’s “I sound weird”
I have been putting in 60 hours of work each week nearly every goddamn minute of my free time has been in this game just to keep up
I got into a depressive state and you expect my posts to be “not weird”
Just like .....I don’t get it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then don’t.
I am going to discuss reads with everyone else since the plan seems settled.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That and I am being mechanics focused and trying my best to not tunnel because it’s all lurkers imho and being in a funk.
I am flattered. I have only done what I felt is right.
So imho we have a few other things to do today:
1) Figure out who is the lynch in a reasonable enough timeframe as to not allow for flail. I feel like we keep putting it off until deadline because of toys. (Yes I am somewhat guilty of this too but I thought we had a universal win with my plan so it wouldn’t matter)
2) Figure out a way to avoid cross killing without telling scum who we are shooting or accept the risk Sakura and Nero pick the same target. I think each should give a pool of like 3-5 people in it each with the person they would shoot without overlap. This way we get maximum use of the vigs. However I understand if we don’t do this because “ooooh math paranoia don’t do anything math suggests”
3) Make sure everyone clearly understands the plan for today. I am not sure everyone does and I would hate for someone to go off rails because it is not understood.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mainly my would lynch pile is about a mile and a half long and none of those people are actually posting so I am thinking we remove a non poster today or a non entity.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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For this reason I think we should lynch Hebichan or Nos or Kokichi today and see what reactions that garners. I don’t think there is anyway all of the apathy is town and it is a really good place for scum to hide. How to sort them? Damned if I know how so I am hoping discussion around them will cause some kind of reaction from scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nancy I assure you I have my reasons. I did not “lose my role PM”.
Everyone here on Mafiascum thinks my town game is a piece of shit despite having several games where I have come close to namely the entire scum team or have found the deep wolf.
Petrify IMHO is still a vig. A vig I will never likely use but a vig none the less. The reason I took it was to take care of potential well entrenched scum in the townblock if any ever existed. I am regarded as stupid most of the time and it would have prevented another Titus situation. Seeing her red flip after all the ways imho scum tried to get out of it felt really really good and I wanted that to never happen again.
I took SS for the sheer reason I thought we would win the game if y’all went along with my plan. But as it sits now I am kinda glad we didn’t as Creature is kinda in the effort and I am super confused pileScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Do me a favor and please quit having jokes at what I feel like is my expense. I get you think I am a snowflake.
I understand that people did not like how I handled the FA situation and I plan to talk about it more in post game but would really appreciate it if we could keep the discussion on mafia and playing the game.
For now VOTE: hebichanScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Save it up for post game and yell at me in PMs and Discord.In post 10786, Toranaga wrote:what do I do with my salt then?
you know pregame me and FA were like "yay we can play on MS together now, let's join a game"
where is FA, math? WHERE IS FA?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yelling at me about it is not helping town at all.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Can we please stop talking about this and hunt mafia?In post 10791, Drixx wrote:
Then take it upIn post 10787, Toranaga wrote:I'm joking but I am pretty upset with that.WITH THE PERSON WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY TO POST A LITERAL DEATH THREAT AND APPEND "IRL" TO IT TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THEY MEANT IN REAL LIFE.
Make sure our vigs don’t accidentally cross shoot?
Try to figure out how to read the lurkers?
Like anything but this?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I appreciate you stepping in here Drixx as a person but this is for post game. Dwelling on this doesn’t help town. I want to get into why it was so destructive to me but this is not the time.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Tor again this is not helping.In post 10794, Toranaga wrote:the only reason you two think is not ok is because you can't understand figure of speech. which is fine, we all have our things to overcome, but then if you know that about you and people point at things being figure of speech, just take their word for it.
FA uses "literally" figuratively everytime she uses "literally"
Talk about lurkers or scumreads or literally anything else puppy dogs or cute kidden videos literally anything elseScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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@Drixx How do you read lurkers?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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@Tor please post the plan so everyone understands it tonight
There have been a lot of discussions recently so I wanna make sure we are all on the same pageScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think the plan isIn post 10608, Toranaga wrote:@nancy: if you echo nero onto drixx, nothing happens because you can't echo power absorb. it's not a targetable action.
you can go drixx and protect math. it's a horrible use of your slot but alas.
Sakura vigs in Pool TBD <if we list pools>
Drixx heals Nero
UFO minicries Drixx fo get one shot doc assuming it goes off
Nero suicides onto pool TBD <if we list pools>
Nancy echoes Drixx onto me
Sando echoes Drixx onto Drixx
I think this is the plan?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Oh derp I am behind.In post 10810, MathBlade wrote:
I think the plan isIn post 10608, Toranaga wrote:@nancy: if you echo nero onto drixx, nothing happens because you can't echo power absorb. it's not a targetable action.
you can go drixx and protect math. it's a horrible use of your slot but alas.
Sakura vigs in Pool TBD <if we list pools>
Drixx heals Nero
UFO minicries Drixx fo get one shot doc assuming it goes off
Nero suicides onto pool TBD <if we list pools>
Nancy echoes Drixx onto me
Sando echoes Drixx onto Drixx
I think this is the plan?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I kinda think since you are well townread you suiciding is a bad idea. We need people who care about this game to stay in it. Tbf its a main reason I haven’t replaced out yet. I think you’re better off taking it and holding it until Nero can heal you tomorrow or you take power absorption and so the chain can continue and then can protect people who don’t have BP that may obvTown later.In post 10808, Toranaga wrote:version 6.0 of the plan actually has me as backup leader and not nero cain
we vote ausuka with me as backup
ausuka uses phasing and takes sui
nancy... does whatever nancy wants to do, I'm done trying to convince her of what's best, but anyway she'll either use BP on herself or use power echo on drixx and protect another target
nero cain should take and use absortion instead of sui. that guarantees we'll have a backup doctor tomorrow if drixx dies.
drixx isn't in the powers so he'll just use doc on nero cain. that way we can have the absortion and the power echo working.
and then there's me and the 6th player. my initial plan was for me to use mimickry on drixx, take sui and then have someone using power echo on drixx to protect me next day when I sui. BUT, since nero is using power absortion, I don't need to mimic drixx. so maybe I'll just take and use sui that night? and if I die, I die. if I'm backup leader I won't do that, but if you're voting nero for it, I can just explode myself at night and hope the 6th player used echo on drixx-me and that worked. if I die I die.
so yeah the plan isn't set in stone yet because people want more docs tomorrow.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I agree with the scum in the lurkers. I planned in isoing the lowest level posters overnight. Give me a few hours and I can iso Nos and be a sanity check but it is literally a dime a dozen tbh to meIn post 10815, Drixx wrote:
I'm the first person to point out that communication only via text carries only a tiny fraction of intended meaning. I'm relatively sure that nobody in this game actually intends to murder anyone else who is or has been in this game.In post 10794, Toranaga wrote:the only reason you two think is not ok is because you can't understand figure of speech. which is fine, we all have our things to overcome, but then if you know that about you and people point at things being figure of speech, just take their word for it.
FA uses "literally" figuratively everytime she uses "literally"
I'm also pretty sure there's a site rule that is very clear about where the line is, and it is therefore irrelevant whether or not someone actually was going to go murder someone else. Saying it at all is out of bounds. Period. Full Stop.
The sooner you accept that FA broke the rules and stop blaming someone else for the consequences (whatever they might be; I hope it's just water under the bridge and nothing happens but I have no control of that), the less you're going to be worked up about it.
@Math: I think there's obviously scum in the lurkers. Want to be more specific? Also ... Nosferatu. Sanity check me on that? I'm seeing scum who knows the game is already over just shit posting at this point in that slot but ...ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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@Drixx will you be on later today?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Whatever the plan is we need to post it before the end of day so that way everyone understands what we are doing.
Pedit: Okay then I will take my time to make a big long post then on Nos before I go to bed tonight. Mainly if you were gonna be definitely on it would be worth it in real time but mainly we need someone to post “this is the plan” before Hebi is hammered. This way we don’t accidebtally shoot ourselves in the foot here.
Pedit: Nero Drixx stop please
Let’s focus people. Plans and who we are lynching firstScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sakura Vigs. That much is clear.In post 10826, Toranaga wrote:UNVOTE: hebichan
we don't even know what the plan is yet. we do need to coordinate this.
Asuaka takes suicide bomber and uses phasing.
Nero takes power absorption and Drixx heals Nero
^^ I think these are set.
@Tor agree?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Oh god please just stop. Like please. Like this can happen post game. I need you to help Tor with the plan. Right now I don’t trust myself 100% and would really want you to work with Tor and Nero. I get they are saying things I disagree with and I am really trying to hold myself back. For the good of the game post game PLEASEIn post 10828, Drixx wrote:
My first comment to you in this game was in regards to your play. The joke was that because you have 100% of the time scum read me when I was town in games we played together, a scum read from you is like an endorsement. Notice how that has to do with your play? I mean ... you took it personally but it wasn't aimed at YOU.In post 10823, Nero Cain wrote:
Aren't you the same guys that was "joking" with me but I can't joke?In post 10822, Drixx wrote:
There's no need for any more shit like this man. Just quit with the personal jabs already.In post 10819, Nero Cain wrote:I already know neither of you are sane. :/
You asserted that both Mathblade and myself are insane. Notice how that has to do with us as people and nothing at all to do with our play?
Do you realize just how ironic it is that you took an actual obvious joke personally but don't seem to see any problem making actual personal attacks and hiding behind "it was a joke!"?
By the way: you might want to check yourself. Having a go at someone who doesn't understand social cues and has exposed themselves enough that you know it (Math being an aspie), especially about theirsanity... that's not a good look man.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So then we have a few other actions to figure out. Mainly you Nancy Asuaka and Sando (assuming he is the sixth) we need to have a plan for. If I recall correctly Asuaka was taking suicide bomber and phasing?
Pedit you are mimicrying yeah?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Cool then cop me or someone you are suspicious might go rogue or someone who is a lurker. I would prefer one of the first two but the latter is understandable.In post 10835, Toranaga wrote:nero as backup is actually ok if he is doctor. we lose a potential vig but we win a guaranteed doc at night.
pedit: my plan was to take sui and use mimickry. it doesn't have to be on drixx anymore as nero is already "checking" that his own way. I can use this as a weak cop thing like I've been.
Yeah I think Nero backup leader makes most sense because he takes PA.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am thinking Drixx probably has a high kill value for scum.In post 10839, Ausuka wrote:
I've brought up the fact that I think Kokichi bussing and not trying to look towny subsequently doesn't seem to have any scum motivation. What do you think about that? And if you do tonereads what do you think of Nosferatu's tone?In post 10768, MathBlade wrote:For this reason I think we should lynch Hebichan or Nos or Kokichi today and see what reactions that garners. I don’t think there is anyway all of the apathy is town and it is a really good place for scum to hide. How to sort them? Damned if I know how so I am hoping discussion around them will cause some kind of reaction from scum.
I think that is the wrong way to read things in a Titus game. She is a master of wine. I think trying to figure out Titus’s strategic plan is probably who to find is scum. I don’t do tone reads I look more for consistency or logical coherency. If I understand it and it matches your quality of plan you’re town. The few people I do do townreads on I know outside of game and that is how I build it. It’s not impossible it takes more time. I look more at word choice instead of tone.
He didn't want me to be the leader. I'm 99.99% sure he's hard townreading my slot like everyone else is; if he isn't you would think that he'd speak up about it when if I'm scum I could win because people tr my slot. So he doesn't want me to be leader because he thinks I'm doing something wrong that makes me bad town and therefore a bad leader; I don't think there's any reason you'd oppose a townread to be leader other than that. I want to know why he feels that way.
As I understand it I need to vote Nero Cain for leader, use phasing on somebody I scumread who is part of the general scumpool, and take suicide bomber as my power.In post 10826, Toranaga wrote:UNVOTE: hebichan
we don't even know what the plan is yet. we do need to coordinate this.
+1
On the subject of the 6th, I think Creature and Drixx may be options to consider outside of Sando? Depending on how people feel about said slots.In post 10832, Toranaga wrote:we're all crazy cause we're playing mafia on MS
let's move on to other subjects
what does me/nancy/6th does at night and who are we electing as 6th?
To be more coherent my reads rn are like this;
{Ausuka, Nancy Drew, Toranga, Nero Cain, Sakura Hana}
{Drixx, Creature}
{Sando, the worst}
{Kokichi, Nosferatu}
{Mathblade, Theta Alpine}
{Gamma Emerald, hebichan}
I wouldn’t make him sixth.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Gonna be AFK mostly today guys got called into work.
So fun times. Will maybe have time tonight if lucky but end of day is right when I carpoolScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Hey I am on dinner break from work. What did I miss?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why would I spam the thread when I need to catch up?In post 11052, Nero Cain wrote:Skies is on. Quick spam the thread b4 lock
Speaking of which wanna do me the honors of summarizing what I missed?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why did Tor try to stop the wagon?In post 11055, Nero Cain wrote:hebi got lynched, tor tried to stop the wagon. maybe a lil' biasScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Last I remember Tor was scumreading Hebi? Did something change or did Tor say why?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Interesting *muses*In post 11058, Nero Cain wrote:2nd thoughts and flip flop king
I am not sure what to make of that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nero what if I said I thought Tor was a deep wolf?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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About 25 since most of it is actually content and not spammingIn post 11063, Nero Cain wrote:on a scale of 1-100 how annoying is my spamming?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because he is majority townread I would say that qualifies yeah.In post 11067, Nero Cain wrote:If he got caught is he really a deep wolf?
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So in other words no reads that you’re confident in = no reads.In post 11073, Toranaga wrote:
they don't equal to no reads and they're all based of evaluating posting and explained thoroughly. I'm not sure on hebi, I'm not sure on anyone.In post 11069, Nero Cain wrote:
but aren't flip-flopping reads shit reads too since they equate to no reads at all?In post 11066, Toranaga wrote:
better than having shit readsIn post 11046, Nero Cain wrote:Tora's ability to flip flo his reads knows no equal.
#logicScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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https://www.amazon.com/Colorful-Fashion ... 4734794567
Hey guys check it out.
I found a picture of Tor’s non existent reads.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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@Nancy stop stealing my job.
I am supposed to mess up vote counts every game XDScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I doubt that.In post 11092, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
That probably means he’s town.In post 11064, MathBlade wrote:Nero what if I said I thought Tor was a deep wolf?
No offense.
When he makes posts they make no sense.
When he makes stances he just takes them back.
Mark my words. Tor is a deep wolf.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Any questions before my dinner break is up?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I do think Hebichan is a wolf but your actions do not make sense to me so associatives cannot be drawn.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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When Tor flips scum question me then.In post 11105, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 11091, MathBlade wrote:@Nancy stop stealing my job.
I am supposed to mess up vote counts every game XD
So, it’s not just your reads then? Good to know.
Oh wait. You can’t because you’ll be stuck in an old clock scum put you in?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Hebi is a wolf because she is in the PoE and exhibiting the patterns I would expect of a PoE’d scumIn post 11109, Toranaga wrote:my actions make no sense to you huh?
so did I just explained I fucking metadived the fucking slot and concluded her wolf game is different?
did I explained that shit a bunch of times yet? did you just pick up on absolutely nothing I did and just rolled with lolnerocain saying I'm "flip flopping" and therefore wolfy?
explain how my change of mind wrt hebichan "makes no sense". please math I'm begging you.
also why is hebi a wolf, huh? I don't remember your hebi read.
Come out only when desperate contribute nothing fade away when wagoned.
You have said you have done those things but I know hebi scum meta and this is it. Sooooo yeah doesn’t make senseScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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+1In post 11111, Nero Cain wrote:like even if Hebi were a mislynch it wouldn't put us anywhere near lylo so your "town gonna lose!" just seems like fear mongering b/c town saying that seems totally irrational.
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Sees there are many pages since leader announced
VOTE: Real Life
Will read laterScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think scum stuffed the ballot box to screw me over :/ I just started reading on my lunch break...and I am just ...fuck :/In post 11457, Toranaga wrote:you don't understand how math being leader incriminates you? that's rather incredible.
It’s kind of a brilliant plan.
Use a scum factional to fuck with my precog and then another to make me leader.
Then town mislynches the only healer and scum coast forcing me to have to vig scum tonight.
Like damn.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Factionals. Scum framed me. Then again I think you know that don’t you?
Scum are playing on the fact you dislike how I interacted with FA and hoping you will lead the charge against me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Tor why did you break the plan you yourself created?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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My brain hurts and I wanna read this tonight and examine more in depth. I just feel like Swiss cheese atm or just raw.In post 11477, Drixx wrote:If Gamma Emerald voted for Nero, then the only possible conclusions are:
1.) {Sakura, Tora, Nancy} are the remaining scum and they were able to make Math leader by outvoting {Ausuka, Gamma} as Math would not have won a tie.
2.) Scum have a factional ability to force their choice of leader.
That is pretty much the entire possibility space.
As far as finding out if today is MYLO ... the only realistic way to do that is to try and lynch Math ... but with GE having claimed to vote Nero, it seems impossible for Math to be scum here. We know there's 3 scum left. You can't vote for yourself. Math needed 3 votes to become leader. That's pretty much a clear.
So what explanation best fits what we see?
It seems unreasonable for scum to get even a 1-shot leader override because the whole point of the leader slot is the person has to be townread by a plurality. That subverts the mechanic. It's inelegant (but not, of course, impossible).
If we discard a scum factional ability to install leader of choice, then we're left with {Tora, Sakura, Nancy} -- Using Petrify on one of your own team is a pretty ballsy gambit but it could absolutely be what we're seeing and if it is, it might even work. Nancy is clawing tooth and nail to be left alive to heal Sakura (which obviously scum if they use petrify on one of their own they're going to want to undo it once the person has the desired "Town" tag attached to them for being petrified). And then we have both Tora and Nancy spewing and going after one another, which is classic scum theatre.
So umm ... {Tora, Sakura, Nancy} is the answer I think.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think people being loud is the problem not the solution. :/ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then I have a harebrained idea. I wanna review what you posted first to see if it makes senseIn post 11486, Drixx wrote:
I don't need to. We both got to the same conclusion by different routes. The fact that there exists two different reasonable ways to end at "Tora scum" is pretty damning.In post 11479, Nero Cain wrote:sheep me Drixx
And Nancy literally just scum claimed.
But Tor scum makes sense with how I have scumread him all game and he kept wanting my head yesterday.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t really think that is the case Drixx.In post 11509, Drixx wrote:
Since you were off the mislynch, Math could only be leader over you by getting more votes. Even if you had been on the mislynch you would still win ties because Math was leader previously.In post 11504, Nero Cain wrote:but I'm town reading Math too based on mechanics. Math needs 3 votes and assuming he can't vote himself there was only two scum that could vote him or he's not scum and all 3 scum voted him. Right?
I really think that scum only has a kill as a factional ability. It otherwise breaks the entire point of the setup. Earn a plurality of votes to gain powers for you and whomever you choose.In post 11507, Nero Cain wrote:My only other thought is that scum have a factional ability of
that works on the leader votes, idk.In post 11400, The Dream Weaver wrote:Mind Control: Target another player. You may move their vote once before the end of the next Day Phase. You may change its position by PM'ing the Mod (me).
Mainly because it forces town imho to play antiwin con to do anything. Plus if they don’t give powers to the townread then it is a scum claim. With all the good powers and circle jerk potential scum have to have something.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mainly if scum only had the kill then playing UTR scum is entirely invalid playstyle.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think we got so focused on breaking the setup we forgot to scumhunt
@The worst I am thinking Tor with his omgus after I suspected him
He reads like “Fine. You didn’t take my mislynch yesterday. What about now?!?!?!@
He to this day hasn’t tried to case me or answer the questions anyone calling me scum I said would need to answer.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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