i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Titus]

Things need to go BOOM!

[Titus]

Oh boy, do I really want to read or

VOTE: Frog

P.S. imaginality is town k thx

[Titus]

Oh boy, do I really want to read or

VOTE: Frog

P.S. imaginality is town k thx

Wanna tell us more about these two reads?

Imaginality is town because I say so and I know someone scum will object.

I'm testing Frog.

[Titus]

Frogster, Ythan or KittyTacky, Ranger

Good scum starts. Ranger's readwall looks determined to avoid rule of 3.

[Titus]

What do you think of Cat Scratch, Titus?

Haven't read him. I'm starting from data. Anything in particular to read?

[Titus]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

[Titus]

what the balls have we even played together ranger

Ranger is a system with mastina, so yes and no?

[Titus]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

[Titus]

In my head, gamma-imagination-titus-quiet owl is a logical team solve.

Quiet owl as a rule of 3 isn't bad

[Titus]

imaginality just feels rough and ingenuine

Oh so this game started... just had a skim so far...

feels scummy

Frogsterking seems to almost be trying to 1v1 vs Gamma. Seems risky if scum? Doesn't mean he's correct though. I want to know more about these meta reasons for scum reading Gamma.

feels like an observation scum would make instead of a genuine town observation

the second post isn't much better

my one fear is im picking up on tonal stuff that might just be playstyle and i'm not 100% convinced but for now i like my read and i'd love to see more pressure there.

StD town but he is 100% wrong here.

[Titus]

Furtive might be scum hiding behind StD.

[Titus]

Lycan, what are your pronouns? You can add them to your profile.

[Titus]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

[Titus]

@Titus I'm expecting a response to 404.

@Titus

396

Later. I am human. If I can now, but I'm on a clock.

[Titus]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

1) you outted a lot more reads than usual in 379 so you haven't really been cagey

2) in 389 I asked you to explain your reads almost immediately after I see your posts

3) in 357 an authority figure issues a general warning so it makes sense I would be keeping my anger in check

4) I'm not sure what would cause you to terminate your reaction test now. You already had my attention in 389, why not stall and see what I do?

You are really being the opposite of cagey both by having multiple scum reads in 379 and revealing your plans now.

Not what I'm looking for tonally. Sorry.

Reads list supposing imaginality is town.

Welp that was faster than I thought

[Titus]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

how fucking easy is it to come and try to discredit the votes against you by calling them scummy

but like imaginality didn't even commit to who was scummy and who was just wrong

LAZY

Then ask.

[Titus]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

tf are you saying here

I'm saying StD is 100% wrong and trying. So I'm going to show him he's wrong and get him pointed in the right direction, even if I am not 100% sure where it is myself.

[Titus]

you think me shoving my boot up his ass with my vote is not asking?

No. You're assuming a bad motive and you've been buddied up by scum. I know this for a fact. Any other read I can discuss. Imaginality is town busy with the holidays. Period.

[Titus]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

tf are you saying here

This is really forced distancing. There is no reason to believe there is any existing tension between Gamma and Titus.

Still waiting for the tone, instead you call me scum. Sign seal deliver.

[Titus]

titus you've given no reason to suggest imaginality is not scummy

I'd refute reasons but I don't get your tone read and I seen no other reasons.

I could give another reason but I'd rather hold it.

I will negotiate on any other read but not imaginality.

[Titus]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

tf are you saying here

I'm saying StD is 100% wrong and trying. So I'm going to show him he's wrong and get him pointed in the right direction, even if I am not 100% sure where it is myself.

Why do you townread imaginality so hard? I feel like he’s suspicious but I don’t vibe with how the wagon on him formed.

Take an idea. How could I?

[Titus]

StD vote Frogster with me? I have a strong tonal read there. I get if you don't but if so please tell me why.

[Titus]

I can see CSF scum.

[Titus]

My vote wasn't a response to the "town core" voting me

Talk about why you scum read imaginify then.

Cry more.

[Titus]

I can see CSF scum.

What's up Titus?

Wagon hops. No words.

[Titus]

Merry Christmas. Ranger, I can't believe town!you doesn't get what I am throwing down.

[Titus]

Ranger, I can't believe town!you doesn't get what I am throwing down.

If you mean implying you're masons with imaginality, then I saw, since you've been rather explicit.

It'd be impossible to have missed.

Quite simply, there's no role you could claim which I'd believe. Which is also why I've no qualms outing this. I won't accept any roleclaim of imaginality being conftown here, least of all from you.

If imaginality is town by play then he can be town, but by role he most

certainly

is not.

I claim it. Outing it wasn't best. You, if town, could have said I don't believe you.

I don't think town!you ever doubts that. I don't ever lock myself into a fake claim day 1 unprompted.

[Titus]

Now the players who didn't understand the crumbs now know that.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ranger

[Titus]

I think it's pretty clear I'm claiming mason. To argue I am not is asinine and desperate.

[Titus]

Let's do it.

[Titus]

I'm a mason. Period. I was mod told imaginality is town.

[Titus]

I also have a PT with them. We are masons.

[Titus]

There is no exploiting. Imaginality is town. 0% chance. Not 99% nothing.

[Titus]

I also have a PT with them. We are masons.

If so, is the PT open now?

When did it open?

What has been said from there?

(Yes these have purpose.)

Open at start.

I'm not telling you.

[Titus]

Open at start.

Yeah that's a lie. I have a topic and it did not open "at start".

My first post was Wednesday December 21st

[Titus]

About an hour after gamestart

[Titus]

It's too early to include or exclude anyone by VCA. No flips, a theory is fine but it's just that a weak theory. Mine would be just as weak as yours. I have my own speculations, but I'd love to hear the foundations for yours.

You plus ranger feels really solid given ranger's extreme whining/fabrication/ought to know better. I'm not ruling out gamma but his play has me leaning town.

[Titus]

I think Quiet Owl is town. Titus and Quiet Owl, do you townread each other?

I'll do a look again supposing you're town. However, if you townread me and Owl, why not vote Ranger?

[Titus]

I think Quiet Owl is town. Titus and Quiet Owl, do you townread each other?

I'll do a look again supposing you're town. However, if you townread me and Owl, why not vote Ranger?

I think the size of this game has resulted in two separate townblocks who are currently trying to kill each other.

Who is in which?

[Titus]

@Frogster,

Those are not my reads and I am NOT townreading you. Not by any stretch.

[Titus]

Titus - me
Lycanfire - Null lean scum
KittyTacky - Lean town
HighPrincessErinys - lean town
Vaxkiller - who
Ranger - strong scum
Cat Scratch Fever - lean scum
furtiveglance - actual null, and I hate that but gtmh town bc frog wants it
Morning Tweet - need more, lean town
tapiocaphobe - who?
Not_Mafia - not much
imaginality - conftown
McMenno - who
Frogsterking - moderate scum
Elements (replacing andrée) - weak town
Save The Dragons - strong town
kitten around - who
Ythan - weak town
GeorgeBailey - weak town
Enchant - moderate town
tris - weak town
Quiet Owl - weak town
Gamma Emerald - between moderate and strong town

[Titus]

Can you talk about your SRs? Why not Ranger? Frogster?

[Titus]

Please do look at Ranger

[Titus]

Titus, you aren't really a mason are you?

I am 100% functionally a mason. Neighbor with mod confirmation that my neighbor is town. Yes. That's a mason. Imaginality has the same thing.

Now, after I post my reads list and object to your theory, you just immediately vote me. You

still

[/u] won't say why you townread Ranger despite me asking.

[Titus]

Why is Enchant moderate town and Elements & HighPrincess weak town?

Enchant felt town in the opening but I don't recall recent posting.

Elements and High Princess are weak town because their posting feels good but I haven't dove into it.

[Titus]

I don't really want to kill imaginality today either way I think

Ranger wagon is maybe? I'm still keeping my vote on frogster

quiet owl is town

keeping a cult in mind for starting tomorrow as well

Ranger or Frogsterking is fine. Frogsterking's response to my readwall to shade rather than engage is scummy.

[Titus]

Particularly because he supposedly had a whole theory that it was two townblocks he promptly discarded

[Titus]

@titus
Talk to me about the Owl scum read

I don't?

[Titus]

Kitten town
Frog prob town
VOTE: furtive

Changed my mind
Frog town
Kitten idk

This feels rather townish.

[Titus]

Do you think there might be loved or hated going round with this many players?

Possibly. Frogsterking still didn't give the tonal read when he suspected I was town supposedly. Frogsterking is scum. Scum with Ranger. I have 75% odds on that.

[Titus]

I don't really want to kill imaginality today either way I think

Ranger wagon is maybe? I'm still keeping my vote on frogster

quiet owl is town

keeping a cult in mind for starting tomorrow as well

What does this last sentence mean

It means everyone resets tomorrow in case there is a cult. I think that's premature. I highly doubt there's a cult in the game, but I understand considering it given the signup thread. I'm just not resetting reads until a cult leader, cultist, or some other proof flips.

[Titus]

Do you think there might be loved or hated going round with this many players?

Possibly. Frogsterking still didn't give the tonal read when he suspected I was town supposedly. Frogsterking is scum. Scum with Ranger. I have 75% odds on that.

Idk how much of the game you read when you joined but I think frog feels substantially different this game than he did in the normal you replaced in as scum with frog

Every single time Frog has been town, he has a certain level of frustration he gets with me everytime trying to sort me. He hasn't displayed an ounce of it. Instead, he's adapting his read to the environment on the board. He hasn't displayed it here.

[Titus]

Go back to Frog?

[Titus]

Hmm interesting, I'll consider that

Why would you consider that, of all things? How have I not shown frustration lmao?

Because I'm basing my read on you partly off meta that I know and now new meta has come to light that I was not aware of.
Why would I not consider it...

Because her argument is that it's in my town meta to become frustrated with her, which is what I've done, but she is arguing that I am scum.

Except you haven't consistently with those games. That's my point.

[Titus]

VOTE: Frogsterking

[Titus]

You have
1) put forth a game which isn't true (trying to call people toen blocks that aren't)
2) voted me immediately afterwards, despite arguing my mason claim was real before
3) have an unexplained ranger townread
4) whatever you did that got you wagoned prior to be coming in
5) inconsistent personality tell

[Titus]

*2) immediately after I called you out

[Titus]

This seems like a really wild take and it is also something I might expect from town Titus maybe. I was wondering if it was a bad look for Chungus and Dragons to be refusing to vote each other in the way that they are.

This is a sample even though we found each other fast that game. Town!Frogster expects "off the wall" takes from my perspective. He still engages even when I FoS him. In fact my off the wall take was based off VCA, which I could have included in my case here.

[Titus]

You want to quote that game? You know how I found you? Your frustration with me. You get frustrated when you feel I have bad takes as town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Furtive

Why?

[Titus]

Purple's initial frustration with me reminded me of Frogsterking in TFT so that was the biggest factor once I sat down and thought about it.

[Titus]

I used an outline with evidence. That's a stretch.

You STILL won't explain your ranger read or address the substance. You're going for nitpicks instead and diverting.

[Titus]

Cool, mason claim d1

I think Titus and Imaginality are Lovers and/or the claim is intended to phish.

Phish for what? No one else has claimed. No one had claimed. There was an imaginality wagon which was bad, so I wanted a reset but I didn't have an iron clad town case, so I tried to crumb it. Players familiar with it caught on. The only one not to back off was your partner who did major twisting to argue I wasn't crumbing mason. I said it 3 or four times. We have a PT. We are both mod confirmed to each other.

As for lovers, why would you argue that (not confirming or denying)?

[Titus]

pedit: Wait is imagineality a mason claim too? I'm fucked up

He's my mason partner.

[Titus]

Adapting his read to the environment means like, scumreading you opportunistically, right?

More like desperate yes. Ranger did the same. Frogsterking won't explain his TR there. Despite me saying so multiple times.

He wanted me and Owl to work together as town. We were both voting Ranger. Refusal to vote Ranger, no reason.

Ranger and Frogsterking objections make no sense and they keep trying to cast doubt.

[Titus]

I think Quiet Owl is town. Titus and Quiet Owl, do you townread each other?

I think Quiet Owl is town. Titus and Quiet Owl, do you townread each other?

I'll do a look again supposing you're town. However, if you townread me and Owl, why not vote Ranger?

I think the size of this game has resulted in two separate townblocks who are currently trying to kill each other.

[Titus]

Open at start.

Yeah that's a lie. I have a topic and it did not open "at start".

This seems to be Ranger's objection. Any more voices on this?

Reflecting on this, there's a

slight miniscule

possibility of being town. Our pt has mod posts much earlier than gamestart but we were locked until then. Maybe the mod forgot to lock theirs.

[Titus]

I still don't get why furtiveglance is a thing. Can someone help?

[Titus]

The more this one thinks about it the less likely it thinks Titus's mason claim is real. Their insistence on things like the PT, knowing imaginality's alignment, etc etc are all convincing, but

a D1 outing of two masons when one had at most 7 out of 12 votes

and has since dropped from that... It's kind of insane, honestly. Really sketched out by this.

Why does this make you doubt her claim?

Because it's an extremely weird circumstance to claim Mason with someone else in? All it's really going to do, if true, is paint a target on their backs in the future because 7/12 really does not need a D1 mason claim to save your buddy, it would've been alot better to wait until around E-3/2 or so because then there's a very immediate and credible threat to imaginality's life. Now Titus has thrown both of them into the line of mafia fire just to pull imaginality's wagon a further away from the finish line. They're either scum partners, something other than masons, or masons who felt the need to make a

really

strange play.

We haven't played before. I'm not sure if and how you're familiar with VCA but I don't learn much from a wagon I know that's on town. I know people are mistaken for a fact. A large wagon on conftown is a waste of fucking time. So I tried to just alert people I was familiar with, as they were the drivers, but Ranger outright said it and still tried to twist it.

[Titus]

Barring a shake-up in my thought process, I have minimal faith in furtive flipping scum.

Why? I'd like someone to talk about it.

[Titus]

Barring a shake-up in my thought process, I have minimal faith in furtive flipping scum.

Why? I'd like someone to talk about it.

Assuming Frog flips scum, I think the route he’s taken through the game makes furtive town.

Don't make reads assuming a flip until mod says he's scum

[Titus]

:/
What do you make of Frog’s play here vs. as Purple Mask?

That's my whole point with him here. He originally claimed to think my mason claim was town. He thought I was dumb town in Masque. He had a frustrated tone. Here, he argued two town cores going after each other which should be immensely frustrating. Yet, when I posted my reads and called out his townblock theory, he turned on a dime. So I'd like to talk about those. This argument is getting circular and nowhere. No one is saying anything new.

[Titus]

Titus - me
Lycanfire - Null lean scum
KittyTacky - Lean town
HighPrincessErinys - lean town
Vaxkiller - who
Ranger - strong scum
Cat Scratch Fever - lean scum
furtiveglance - actual null, and I hate that but gtmh town bc frog wants it
Morning Tweet - need more, lean town
tapiocaphobe - who?
Not_Mafia - not much
imaginality - conftown
McMenno - who
Frogsterking - moderate scum
Elements (replacing andrée) - weak town
Save The Dragons - strong town
kitten around - who
Ythan - weak town
GeorgeBailey - weak town
Enchant - moderate town
tris - weak town
Quiet Owl - weak town
Gamma Emerald - between moderate and strong town

Revise Elements up
CSF down
Furtive need reasons or something desperately
Tris up
Princess up

[Titus]

Owl down to lean scum forgot that

[Titus]

Tweet up too

[Titus]

:/
What do you make of Frog’s play here vs. as Purple Mask?

That's my whole point with him here. He originally claimed to think my mason claim was town. He thought I was dumb town in Masque. He had a frustrated tone. Here, he argued two town cores going after each other which should be immensely frustrating. Yet, when I posted my reads and called out his townblock theory, he turned on a dime. So I'd like to talk about those. This argument is getting circular and nowhere. No one is saying anything new.

One thing that confounds and frustrates me is his treatment of me. You saw me explode as Green in that game, but it feels like Frog is trying to evoke a similar reaction. That leans scum to me but I could see it as some twisted “draw out an emotional core breach for a read”, but either way it makes me unwilling to engage Frog when my main instinct is that he’s trying to make me get toxic.

Fair. If he's trying, he's scared of my reads. Do you agree largely? Disagree? Where?

[Titus]

If he's trying to provoke you, then he may be scared of my reads. I'm a bit paranoid of agency capture though as it's quite easy just to agree. Do you agree on my weaker reads? If so, why? What about your Owl and furtiveglance reads?

[Titus]

I would believe this if he wasn’t continually circling back to the same few central ideas. When my thought process runs wild, it becomes completely erratic.

He's town and tunneled on you & Titus scum. That's why he keeps coming back to the same central ideas.

615 it may be fair but it doesn't make sense as an excuse as they've "engaged" the game this way on all days, not just Christmas.

I didn't like her recent pop in fwiw

This seems like a really wild take and it is also something I might expect from town Titus maybe. I was wondering if it was a bad look for Chungus and Dragons to be refusing to vote each other in the way that they are.

This is a sample even though we found each other fast that game. Town!Frogster expects "off the wall" takes from my perspective. He still engages even when I FoS him. In fact my off the wall take was based off VCA, which I could have included in my case here.

You're reading the games very differently right now, so it makes sense for Frogster to naturally be suspicious of you. Hence, he's also treating you differently & engaging differently. Have you played with Scum!Frogster? (Actually, do you remember my meta towncase on him in LOST?) I think he's far out of his scum comfort zone here.

I think all 3 of {Frogs, Gamma, Titus} are town, and this continued back and forth is damaging to the game state.

I think the back and forth is damaging regardless of if I am right.

[Titus]

Kitten around and McMenno both have less than your four. Any particular reason to TR them?

[Titus]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.

[Titus]

If frog isn't town that all seems very deliberate, almost jestery

Makes me think imaginality's scum flip will spew csf as town, or, if multiball, unaligned with Gamma and imaginality.

How is this jestery?

He votes imaginality in this post, which is his counterwagon which shows an intent to survive.

[Titus]

Hello Math. No claims besides imaginality is my mason partner.

Please look at the link between Frogster, CSF and Rsnger voting together despite none towncasing each other.

[Titus]

Is that not jestery behaviour?

Nope. It's stubborn, survivalistic behavior. If anyone is jester, it's Ranger. Ranger's ridiculousness is very off. For instance, her PT claim is backed up by no one. (I forgot to mention it to Mathblade). Ranger just throws out a meta claim to say she doesn't believe me while having me as town. That's drawing attention to herself.

Frogsterking meanwhile is opportunistic. For instance, he has me as town, until I post my reads list. He's reactionary.

[Titus]

Hello Math. No claims besides imaginality is my mason partner.

Please look at the link between Frogster, CSF and Rsnger voting together despite none towncasing each other.

Correcting this. Ranger claimed a PT but I don't think it's true.

[Titus]

Town block A

Ranger
Dragons
KT
CSF
Tris

Town block B

Titus
Imaginality
MT
Quiet Owl
Frogster

Frogsterking is lamenting a universe that doesn't exist here, especially his relationship with CSF.

Sure, someone could argue two blocks but not as Frogsterking structured them.

@Frogster,

Those are not my reads and I am NOT townreading you. Not by any stretch.

Titus - me
Lycanfire - Null lean scum
KittyTacky - Lean town
HighPrincessErinys - lean town
Vaxkiller - who
Ranger - strong scum
Cat Scratch Fever - lean scum
furtiveglance - actual null, and I hate that but gtmh town bc frog wants it
Morning Tweet - need more, lean town
tapiocaphobe - who?
Not_Mafia - not much
imaginality - conftown
McMenno - who
Frogsterking - moderate scum
Elements (replacing andrée) - weak town
Save The Dragons - strong town
kitten around - who
Ythan - weak town
GeorgeBailey - weak town
Enchant - moderate town
tris - weak town
Quiet Owl - weak town
Gamma Emerald - between moderate and strong town

Titus, you aren't really a mason are you?

Context Math.

[Titus]

Is there a TLDR on the top wagons?

I forgot Ranger's unsubstantiated PT claim.

I don't think a TLDR on the wagons works as too many reasons. However, I did post one of my many gripes with Ranger.

[Titus]

*Frogsterking

EBWOP

[Titus]

Hello Math. No claims besides imaginality is my mason partner.

Please look at the link between Frogster, CSF and Rsnger voting together despite none towncasing each other.

Correcting this. Ranger claimed a PT but I don't think it's true.

There’s a neighborhood. Ranger + others + I are in it. I would rather not out the others without permission but that is true Ranger is in a hood.

Fair. I didn't think it was real. I feel Frogsterking knew about the hood being real given his comments about my "alleged" fishing given I never asked who was in Ranger's PT.

[Titus]

Outdated vc Ythan fell apart due to a replacement request.

Frogsterking has been countered numerous times and folks have their own reasons.

[Titus]

I have to go to work now. Will read after work.

Kinda sad Titus couldn’t tell me the reasons for the Frog wagon.

I will try to post during work but I have read nothing.

Anyone who can give me a olive branch of info would be awesome?

Had to drive to work. My recent posts plus the one where I did 1) etc cover most of mine.

Not all of us are available all the time.

[Titus]

I have to go to work now. Will read after work.

Kinda sad Titus couldn’t tell me the reasons for the Frog wagon.

I will try to post during work but I have read nothing.

Anyone who can give me a olive branch of info would be awesome?

Had to drive to work. My recent posts plus the one where I did 1) etc cover most of mine.

Not all of us are available all the time.

Sorry I thought you were here from the rapid fire posting.

I'll occasionally post in a 5 minute window when I can't call a case.

Let me know when you read through my comments.

[Titus]

I'm fed up with wastes of time. Being fed up with stupidity that I'm not entertaining because of "tone" (impossible to argue without examples) is pretty much saying suspicion is valid when it isn't. Wagon also was at 6 and growing if I recall. I was attempting to be subtle but I'm no good at it. It appeared to pass those unfamiliar with me though which was the point.

[Titus]

You're the second player to make this narrative, but looking at the game, I don't think it actually holds.

We've voted together twice, on imaginality and now Quiet Owl.

I'm fairly certain both CatScratchFever and Frogsterking have made more votes than that. Votes I did not join them on.

It doesn't say you joined on every vote. You just are voting together frequently but everytime you're asked to defend each other it's crickets and a deflection like this one.

[Titus]

@Titus

@imaginality

@Gamma

@furtive

@Enchant

@Quiet Owl

(I think)


My offer to help the anti town roles policy elim MathBlade will expire in 48 hours, so make your choices soon.

Wow, it's almost like you know I like to vote Math when he acts anti-town. Despite him usually acting anti-town, the claim made sense there. It was just enough to correct me and nothing further.

Did you read my 760 about Frogster? That was at you, Titus

Ok, I remember that. I retract my complaint on your slot.

Ranger's mental juitsu about why she doesn't have to defend a person with six votes but I have to defend someone who has no votes is ridiculous.

[Titus]

I am alive but prod dodging here. No I don't want to talk. No it is not game related. Not in the mental state.

[Titus]

@Titus

@imaginality

@Gamma

@furtive

@Enchant

@Quiet Owl

(I think)


My offer to help the anti town roles policy elim MathBlade will expire in 48 hours, so make your choices soon.

Wait it's free?

VOTE: MathBlade

Actually town reading this. Stupid but town.

Also, just put up with my anger or leaving. I'm cranky tonight.

[Titus]

Owl or Frog?

[Titus]

Yes because asking a basic question while resisting the urge to punch a wall somehow makes me townier.

[Titus]

Yes because asking a basic question while resisting the urge to punch a wall somehow makes me townier.

You okay?

Going to try to catch up while on a break. Might disappear have been having a rough shift.

Yes. Just angry at something I cannot control outside of the game.

[Titus]

Titus seems stressed by something and tends to be pretty suboptimal when stressed.

Not stress but rather I have no patience for idiocracy.

[Titus]

To get the idea, the LEAST idiotic thing I had to deal with was a robbery case because a Walmart employee tried to attack a delivery driver picking up food who defended himself. I won over that judge. Still idiot case.

[Titus]

Math pretending to be empathetic toward Titus is a good sign that Math is lying.

*middle finger gif*

[Titus]

Math pretending to be empathetic toward Titus is a good sign that Math is lying.

*middle finger gif*

Sorry a bit of a reaction but still.

You think Math has to be an overbearing jerk in every game to be town, or just me in particular?

[Titus]

You think Math has to be an overbearing jerk in every game to be town, or just me in particular?

While this has sass, the intent is serious.

[Titus]

i assume that a jester!frog here wins when dead, in which case the course of action here is probably to ignore him completely until we have reason to suspect that he's a different sort of scum?

mcmenno mentioned having a role that interferes with investigatives so i assume that if true that's a counter to someone else's role. would be a convenient way of resolving the frog conundrum.

Unless we have 2 jesters, a scum is doubting imaginality most likely.

[Titus]

Math, there's a reason I asked you to look at the Frog/Ranger relationship. Add in Owl for good measure.

[Titus]

Well we'll see how this goes. Glad to have a cooling off period.

[Titus]

Frogster's play has been increasingly weird and scummy and insulting, this game would probably benefit greatly from a night phase so powers can start getting used, and he's already gotten hammered, so! VOTE: FrogsterKing is now slightly extra dead. Please don't be a Jester?

Oh welcome to the site btw.

[Titus]

Frogster's play has been increasingly weird and scummy and insulting, this game would probably benefit greatly from a night phase so powers can start getting used, and he's already gotten hammered, so! VOTE: FrogsterKing is now slightly extra dead. Please don't be a Jester?

Are you on other sites? If so which?
Oh welcome to the site btw.

Oh, thank you!

[Titus]

Sorry what sites are you also on if any?

[Titus]

Well you should know MathBlade is my brother. We have a bit of rivalry.

[Titus]

Math defending me even though I did nothing wrong is in line with scum him. So is Owl's jump here.

[Titus]

a thought. no-one believed frog's claim except maybe cat scratch and ranger. so what do they know that we don't?

Ranger's likely just scum.

[Titus]

I'm frankly frustrated about having to defend something that everyone else would just have be accepted.

[Titus]

a thought. no-one believed frog's claim except maybe cat scratch and ranger. so what do they know that we don't?

Ranger's likely just scum.

Ranger had a scheduled delivery of a MacBook so I would buy it.

Some bastard messed it up or Ranger is likely scum.

Super sads

? I am confused.

[Titus]

i stopped understanding anything

You need to know imaginality and I are town. Scum are likely to take advantage of Frogsterking's throw.

[Titus]

The only reason he would not be town is a mod lie.

[Titus]

where's imaginality?

I don't know.

[Titus]

Titus assume Ranger is scum who with?

Assume Ranger is town and there is a bus driver/redirection/roleblock/shenanigans, who is scum the ?

Gimli imo in both cases. One person defending us as well but I don't know who.

[Titus]

gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show

Thanks for this ig
I’m just a little frustrated that you and Ranger are circlejerking rn, it really kills my faith in anything of value happening this game.

I just replaced in, gamma. give me time <3

I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.

Well, of course she'd insist on it, if she dropped the claim she'd be a liar. The mod confirmed thing is the important part and even then it's hard to judge how important it really actually is, in this one's opinion? It doesn't really put a fakeclaim outside of the realm of possibility. In general taking Titus's claim at face value SEEMS fine and dandy but the circumstances around it always put this one off of believing it.

Titus exaggerates either way. What’s odd is that Titus and imaginality weren’t killed.

Makes me think socially that Titus/imagine/Ranger are all good

Mechanically though I have to doubt.

This one briefly thought about the implications of Titus/imaginality not dying during the night but it's easy to also think about mafia worrying about doctors/other protectors or just trying to frame them by virtue of still being alive, or they could just be mafia. But either way it's too much of a toss-up to this one to worry about right now.

There's too many FoSers to make us a high priority target.

[Titus]

Oh ok

[Titus]

Perhaps because your attitude up to and including this post do not fit that of a mason, especially not you as a mason? This isn't your play as a mason; this is your play when pretending to be a mason.

This isn't saying anything but your claim again.

Who is scum if we're town?

[Titus]

That's exactly what makes it fake. An actual town Titus wouldn't need to use that phrase and wouldn't need to keep insisting on it.

That's saying because I defend myself it's fake.

[Titus]

Math's play here is pretty town.

[Titus]

Does this change your Ranger read?

[Titus]

Does this change your Ranger read?

I’ve had Ranger as town. I don’t see a reason to scumread her.

I think I know what you’re really wanting to ask and I can’t answer what you’re really asking.

Clear enough. Ranger's focus on us to me is scummy.

[Titus]

@Math, I townread Gamma.

[Titus]

Can we do Gmili, Patterson or Owl?

[Titus]

UltimateGamer, who are your SRs? I'm trying to find a remotely acceptable wagon, even if it's no one's preferred wagon.

[Titus]

To clarify, the world where Gamma is scum is one where her teammates are not cooperating or are MIA. She's carrying the entire team on her own, is mad at them for not helping her, mad at the town for suspecting her for reasons she sees as frivolous and is throwing the game in anger.

I think.

She is NOT getting emotional as an attempt to manipulate the town's emotions into changing our reads on her. There are people who do that, gamma is not one of them.

Then your position would be eliminate lurkers if not Gamma? I think Lurkers on the Frogsterking wagon would be a middle of the road position for everyone. It would satisfy me in that I would be looking into scum pushing Frogsterking, you would look into the Gamma theory and I believe Msth said he wouldn't mind a lurker lim.

[Titus]

VOTE: McMenno

[Titus]

Lack of trolling from NM had me worried though.

Fair. I like McMenno more but fine with NM. Can you vote McMenno and we see how it goes?

[Titus]

I kinda don’t want almost anything Gamma supports.

Thanks, I needed that.

I am sorry but you just read very evil to me.

If we aren’t elimming you I don’t want to do something you want atm.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I want a wagon you both support. Bussing is also a thing.

[Titus]

I just got a flat. Bare with me.

[Titus]

I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.

"mod confirmed" is just as easy to lie about as any other fakeclaim. This makes no sense. Why have multiple people said this?

Because if imaginality flips scum, I die too.

[Titus]

I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.

"mod confirmed" is just as easy to lie about as any other fakeclaim. This makes no sense. Why have multiple people said this?

Because if imaginality flips scum, I die too.

Is this metaphorical, or literal? Hmmmm...

If I am lover, I'd die immediately. If not, I'd be limmed after. In addition, I'd never be believed on any mason/modconfirmed without a night result again.

[Titus]

I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.

"mod confirmed" is just as easy to lie about as any other fakeclaim. This makes no sense. Why have multiple people said this?

Because if imaginality flips scum, I die too.

I don’t understand, I thought you said he was mod confirmed to be town?

He is. The question was why wouldn't I lie?

[Titus]

I just got a flat. Bare with me.

You okay?

Yeah got AAA

[Titus]

I'm checking with the mod now. I didn't get any meat but I didn't get any daystart pm either. Possible the mod forgot.

However, it makes zero sense Gamma was pushing me as town and Kitty comes in with this claim.

[Titus]

On phone so sorry for not cropping the quote down.
Yes, I did receive meat last night. I got something else too which I want to withhold for now.

You sure it was meat? Kitty's claim says you should have got fruit?

[Titus]

VOTE: KittyTacky

Unless I was rolestopped or Aliened, KittyTacky is scum.

Also, multitasking I don't believe is mentioned post 1.

[Titus]

I did not receive meat. Also did Kitty replace Owl or Gamma? I'm confused. I got horrible sleep last night

[Titus]

I don't want and apple macbook, I already have meat

I am a little confused.

But I think I unfverstand.

*understand

The "unfverstand" is likely not a crumb, given it was corrected AND that Kitty had zero to say in response to Math's claim. He didn't out when it would be a CC.

[Titus]

I feel a true, town fruit vendor would have eyeballed your crumbs and been very suspicious.

Also, Math is mostly correct. KittyTacky claim did not come in Kitty's next post but it is plausible for a catch up.

[Titus]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

[Titus]

5)imaginality knows I am town

[Titus]

I feel a true, town fruit vendor would have eyeballed your crumbs and been very suspicious.

Also, Math is mostly correct. KittyTacky claim did not come in Kitty's next post but it is plausible for a catch up.

I would rather sort things out.

This is a bastard game and mechanics failing redirection and things I would expect.

I also would expect mod errors or complexity.

We can talk things out slowly and patiently.

No mod error. I checked. I got no meat.

[Titus]

So did Elements get meat?

[Titus]

Yet, Kitty didn't claim to send meat to Elements. Then me and Elements being swapped makes sense.

VOTE: McMenno

If no one claims to meat Elements, I think we have proof of the bus drive.

[Titus]

I'm off to work now. Or to start to get to work. Life is nuts.

[Titus]

I disagree in this instance. They'd want someone unquestionably town to claim the vend. Plus KittyTacky said the vend was weak, which would confirm Elements as town. Therefore, you'd need to look elsewhere for scum on the McMenno wagon.

[Titus]

If we assume that

1) KittyTacky is town
2) KittyTacky is correctly claiming weak meat vendor
3) KittyTacky intended to vend to ne
4) Actions targeting me were sent to Elements

Then Elements does not receive meat unless Elements is town.

It's an unavoidable conclusion.

Unless someone claims to meat Elements, KittyTacky town = Elements town.

[Titus]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

What difference neighbor and masons have if you know alignments of each other then.

None. Hence why I claimed mason. It was simpler.

[Titus]

I feel a true, town fruit vendor would have eyeballed your crumbs and been very suspicious.

Also, Math is mostly correct. KittyTacky claim did not come in Kitty's next post but it is plausible for a catch up.

I would rather sort things out.

This is a bastard game and mechanics failing redirection and things I would expect.

I also would expect mod errors or complexity.

We can talk things out slowly and patiently.

No mod error. I checked. I got no meat.

Then unless Ranger's theory is correct and you're SKs with imaginality then there was a redirector. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pretty clear this confirms weak.

[Titus]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

What difference neighbor and masons have if you know alignments of each other then.

None. Hence why I claimed mason. It was simpler.

no that's bonkers. you know imaginality's alignment, but does imaginality know yours? that would mean masons, not neighbours

Yes imaginality knows mine. Hence why we claimed to each other in our first posts.

[Titus]

I am a Town Multitasking Odd Night Fruit Vendor Even Night Vegetable Vendor 1-Shot Meat Vendor neighbor

Ok, we can wait for clarification then. Fair point.

If Kitty is not weak, then Elements is likely scum.

[Titus]

I scratch that. Scum!Elements would know the vend was meant to me and not claim it if bus driver. So mech back to null.

[Titus]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

What difference neighbor and masons have if you know alignments of each other then.

None. Hence why I claimed mason. It was simpler.

no that's bonkers. you know imaginality's alignment, but does imaginality know yours? that would mean masons, not neighbours

Yes imaginality knows mine. Hence why we claimed to each other in our first posts.

Is it possible imaginality being scum claimed he was mod informed your town in an attempt to buddy you?

Only if the mod lied to me.

[Titus]

Like let’s assume you’re true claiming here Titus and you suspected Ranger

Then you can easily just nuke her from orbit.

I don’t see why the entire argument is necessary.

There’s a lot that doesn’t add up

Not if we don't live until night 4

[Titus]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

So your role name has the word `neighbor` in it, but the mod said you know each other to be town, is that right?

Correct.

I realize I forgot to mention if we were lovers or not deliberately.

[Titus]

My shoes are ruined. Ordering new ones. In the meantime, thift shop with no car.

[Titus]

I am not sure if it is aware but crumbing certain roles is common on here.

I suspect that whatever Titus’s alignment unalive bombing is a part of it. It’s a matter of if she is actually an unalive bomber who is town or has some nasty evil explosion. It wouldn’t be above Titus if scum pick their roles since one of her favorites is when she was an unalive bomber and scum and town kept counter claiming her for no reason

*cries* While it's factually true that game was one of my favorites, it wasn't the role but how town kept imploding and eliminating the counterclaimers and how bad we befuddled town.

[Titus]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

The phrasing was the opposite of specific - my role can interfere with investigatives or something.

McMenno is basically saying don't check me

I think Elements is town if McMenno is scum so we can agree on that

I find it odd that McMenno didn't say how his role interfered with investigations. Does it vanillize them? Roleblock them? Is he ascetic to them? Does it redirect them?

If he is negative utility, then we could use his ability to positive effect, if he had claimed it.

[Titus]

I love how my question about why Titus / imaginality TR was mostly ignored /sarcasm

Re Kitten around “meh” could vote there
Re McMenno not enough to go off of.

I feel that people are being strategic vs hunting

Well, let's start using that to hunt. While you disagree with me on McMenno, there's enough here to start defining cliques in the game. From there, it's easier to determine scum.

I disagree on your conclusions (as I always do) but that doesn't mean we can't work together while disagreeing.

[Titus]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

My thought, especially when Frogsterking flipping town, is that's where scum are. They're happy with T v Ts all over the place, which is why I'm ok reassessing Ranger rather than just tunneling her.

[Titus]

Like what you’re doing here is why I hate “cooperating” with those I don’t townread

If I don’t do something we both “agree” on I am not “cooperating”

I am just stating my opinion I don’t trust you.

This is a bastard game and I believe you would pick unalive bomber. Hell I’d believe you’d pick scum mason for the lolz.

I don’t want you to buddy me. I want you to convince me you’re town or someone else to do it.

This is precisely how I try to. It's by working with you and helping you scumhunt rather than discourage it. My questions are deliberately open ended so you can fashion your own answers without my influence. At the end of the day, I am townreading you so I'd like to work with you rather than being combative. This is what I referred to as rivalry before. This butting heads happens every game.

If I argue reads with you, I'm discounted/ignored because I'm scummy. If someone tries to defend me, you just suppose I am partnered with them.

[Titus]

I love how my question about why Titus / imaginality TR was mostly ignored /sarcasm

Re Kitten around “meh” could vote there
Re McMenno not enough to go off of.

I feel that people are being strategic vs hunting

Well, let's start using that to hunt. While you disagree with me on McMenno, there's enough here to start defining cliques in the game. From there, it's easier to determine scum.

I disagree on your conclusions (as I always do) but that doesn't mean we can't work together while disagreeing.

Have I not been responding to you? Not giving my reads?

What exactly am I not doing?

This is reading into what I'm saying rather than listening. I'm not accusing you of not hunting. I'm just saying elaborating and expanding on the idea is good.

[Titus]

Not sure what to expect here. As someone who knows Titus, would you expect that it's likely for her to crumb in her very first post as scum and lock herself in to a specific claim?

There's not a lot of benefit that I can see to claiming suicide bomber as scum even in the event that it's true, because the role can only be confirmed by the player's death.

I have done that but the scum roles were confirmed and loud.

As for the unalive bomber, I am dead n4 unless docced or blocked.

[Titus]

I don’t really see why people TR Titus and the amount of TRs on her scares me.

This is jealousy and deja vu. This is exactly when I was rolecop and tunneling scum correctly. You didn't get the townreads on me. Those players got picked off one by one. You tunneled me to the end.

If I am town and saved, it becomes a vig in my hands.

The part about me being town confirming imaginality being scum is ????

[Titus]

You are someone who fears my judgment Math.

[Titus]

So then if you’re town scum did that for a reason meaning Elements is probably scum

This is where I disagree. Mechanically, if it's a bus driver then Elements doesn't claim it

after

KittyTacky reveals her claim. Better to let the meat fall into the ether. If the scum have a redirector, then changing the actions from me to Elements means that Elements ran the risk of getting copped or investigated.

Sure Elements could have played it suboptimally. Overall, it points to Elements town.

[Titus]

I don't want and apple macbook, I already have meat

Then no MacBook for you

that's fine, I 've already expressed my lack of interest in an apple macbook

What does any of this have to do with the game? xD

Those were crumbs regarding items.

Also, my memory was wrong on Elements. Refreshing my thoughts there.

[Titus]

But I am thinking scum don’t just swap or redirect town to town. I don’t get that.

Fair, but not implausible. By having someone popular claim actions I should have received or investigations that should have been on me, I'm more likely to be limmed regardless of Elements actual alignment. Your belief is fair, I just don't go to that conclusion straight away.

[Titus]

1.

Leashing her isn’t possible.

Assume your mod confirmed town. Tell Titus to suicide on me or we kill her. Oops mod confirmed town dies. Then what? We have to waste an elim on her? We already have some sort of redirection likely. It’s quite possible scum take that suicide bomber on a mod confirmed town.

2. I don’t get the hesitation. If she’s a suicide bomber she dies. So?

You're saying by Night 4, we'll have confirmed town from night actions, and if scum, she'll suicide to take them down? If her claim is true, she'd die anyway - we won't be wasting an elim.

But I think what you're saying is that she has no incentive to be leashed, because she's marked for death anyway, yes?

I am not guaranteeing it, it was a hypothetical.
The second paragraph is my point yes.

What would be the consequences of not blowing up on who we ask?

I don’t think we can make any.

And this brings us back to the rivalry. Do what Math says or die. You did it before and I'm frankly sick of it.

[Titus]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

[Titus]

I am not “rah rah Titus is scum follow me or die”.

No. Your position is that I cannot be controlled and therefore should die. You're posting repeatedly about supposedly being no reason to townread me while simultaneously shooting down every reason you've been given. This isn't about facts. It never has been.

Mason claim when partner wagoned, people say Titus as scum wouldn't do it
You: *strawman* Titus would
Locking into a claim that requires me to die, scum don't usually do that
You (fairish): Titus had fun in the role
Titus has been giving reads and responding and trying to work with people
You: But scum have to be pushing a wagon

You want to talk about fishy claims, look at McMennos. You've ignored the claim because you think scum are pushing it because it was a collective compromise so someone has to be scum on it. You aren't engaging with facts and it's infuriating. I don't know whether or not I'm right but I want people to organize.

I invited you to open up on who is strategic and you presumed I was attacking you and never answered the question. I am trying to engage with you and work with you as I townread you but backlash game after game is just bullshit.

[Titus]

Titus, even if scum, is a giant waste of an elim right now when she's likely dead on N4. And if she's still alive come D5? We just start asking questions! It's, really that simple. You don't eliminate a vigilante because "Oh, but they could get town instead of scum!", y'know? Scrutinize her all you want now, in the chance she survives (which could be because of any number of things, town doc or block, scum doc or block, other shenanigans, all of which could mislead us), because then hey, we can present a proper case on if she is or isn't scum. But right now? ALOT better to focus on another slot.

Who should we focus on?

[Titus]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

I don't have a reason to think McMenno is town, and it's pretty annoying how they aren't doing much to make themself readable when they say they can't be investigated. My main worry is they're limbait I guess, I've been meaning to meta there, and I have some time now to do it.

I'm mostly waiting to see if anyone is interested in a Quiet Owl or kitten around wagon.

Down for either.

Not kitten fine with Owl

[Titus]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

I don't have a reason to think McMenno is town, and it's pretty annoying how they aren't doing much to make themself readable when they say they can't be investigated. My main worry is they're limbait I guess, I've been meaning to meta there, and I have some time now to do it.

I'm mostly waiting to see if anyone is interested in a Quiet Owl or kitten around wagon.

Fair, I think specifics on his "investigative" backfire claim would help.

[Titus]

This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten, it'd say. Which, p-edit: seems to be a bit of a consensus.

Vote McMenno? Even if I disagree with the kitten wagon, dueling wagons is good.

[Titus]

Why are you so insistent to elim someone who isn’t here like McMenno over Not Mafia who also isn’t here when Kitty and Owl are both actively scummy?

I'm not 100% sold on eliminating anyone. The early game is about finding information and cliques and getting use for VCA. If I feel strongly, I'll say so. For now, putting two consensus middle of the road players does that. McMenno happens to give us info about his backfire claim too to help sort, great.

[Titus]

Why not kitten around, Titus? Kitten around fits your hypothesized gamestate of scum lurking in the background while town eats itself alive

I have a gut vibe she's town but not one strong enough to outright stop her wagon. I could be wrong and a wagon helps assess my gut vibe but I don't have an interest in joining. So go forth and we'll see if that makes sense.

[Titus]

Also watch those pronouns for Menno, Titus

Thank you. I am sure they appreciate it.

[Titus]

It's been less than 48 hours and I have suggested others. When I vote, I intend to get something from it. We disagree on primary wagons as a town block. That's the whole point of the McMenno wagon. He's middle of the road, lacks content, and cannot be investigated.

[Titus]

*They're

[Titus]

I didn't get much from McMenno metadive. They don't like playing mafia (the game, not the alignment necessarily) very much, and are a sparse poster.

I can see them flipping as either alignment, really.

True. That's the point of dueling wagons. Gather info. Assess later.

[Titus]

I don't wanna be that guy, but since you're talking a lot about 'the titus show', your constant talk about titus is what's making the gameday revolve around her.

I wanna talk about highprincess, I wanna talk about kitten around, and other slots. why don't you join me in figuring out the other players, math?

Not quoting this entire series of posts but this is the first time I got town vibes and it's making me question and likely reverse my opinion on Gimli. If they were scum capitalizing, I doubt this post in particular happens

[Titus]

There's apparently Miller variant that affects every incest.

Tracker sees it visit the night kill, Watcher sees it if it watches a slot that gets killed, Rolecop sees it as a scummy role, etc. Could be that?

I want to know, as it might provide a positive use later on. Particularly if it's not just negative alignment but roleblock or vanillize or something.

[Titus]

All those assuming the redirection is from scum, why?

It's negative utility and they possibly redirected all actions from me onto Elements. I don't see why town would want me to not have actions target me. Maybe it's just the one action. Maybe it was just forcing you to a target. Maybe a bus driver suspecting a vig or wanting to keep us limmable. There doesn't seem to be a town motive.

Of course there's the extremely remote chance of KittyTacky lying but that would also be scummy.

[Titus]

I’m so far liking Gimli slot, the masons and Gamma. Sorry I know I’ve been pretty useless so far. But I’m sure once we get a scumflip that will change.

Even if you're weaker, I'd love to hear your SRs. You don't need to be right. Just indicate your confidence level.

[Titus]

There's apparently Miller variant that affects every incest.

Tracker sees it visit the night kill, Watcher sees it if it watches a slot that gets killed, Rolecop sees it as a scummy role, etc. Could be that?

I want to know, as it might provide a positive use later on. Particularly if it's not just negative alignment but roleblock or vanillize or something.

What? Did you quote the wrong post? Am I having a brainfart?

No. I was referring to the fact McMenno's post is vague about precisely what his negative utility is.

[Titus]

I'm in a rage fucking tastic mood. Math, get me a wagon above four on someone I don't know the alignment of.

I'll be at my hotel tonight in two hours...or so I hope.

In the meanwhile, I want Ranger's yoga instructor. Arguing an unalive bomber is a serial killer is so stretching Ranger might as well be Mrs. Fantastic.

[Titus]

Jesus ffs

VOTE: Quiet Owl

Just get something moving that's acceptable.

[Titus]

I kinda think Titus might be lying. Like I am pretty sure socially she’s lying here. It’s more a matter of why she is lying.

I don’t think a player whose only power is to explode and dies on N4 gets defensive like she is.

I think this should be the last post I make about Titus. If I make another someone post a slap me meme.

Do not mistake a blend of rage, frustration, and anger at your audacity as defensiveness.

[Titus]

I'm a bit calmer tonight. Waiting on the local equivalent to doordash, and then I'll settle in.

[Titus]

6 players voting for Quiet Owl (Titus, MathBlade, UltimateGamer, Ranger, imaginality, Elements)
5 players voting for kitten around (Cat Scratch Fever, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire, HighPrincessErinys)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for McMenno (furtiveglance)
1 player voting for Cat Scratch Fever (Enchant)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Gimli)
1 player voting for Lycanfire (kitten around)

4 players not voting (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, KittyTacky)

11 to eliminate

bear in mind that while it takes 11 votes to eliminate someone, i am

passively hated by the town.

this means that today i am eliminated at 10 votes, one vote less than a normal townie.

This is worth comparing to McMenno v Kitten.

Noting Math swamped off the top of my head.

[Titus]

6 players voting for Quiet Owl (Titus, MathBlade, UltimateGamer, Ranger, imaginality, Elements)
bear in mind that while it takes 11 votes to eliminate someone, i am

passively hated by the town.

this means that today i am eliminated at 10 votes, one vote less than a normal townie.

So with both Not_Mafia and Enchant in this game, that places you as currently at L-2.

So...why aren't you claiming?

E-4, unless you claim to predict the future.
i have no intention to claim at any point in this game. how on earth would that be remotely useful?

Because if you're town, it'd help us not potentially make a big mistake. Eliminating you, as a townie, would be a mistake. If you claim that gives us insight that we did not previously have that can help us make a more informed decision as a town.

The only reason NOT to claim is because we are all trying to keep PRs secret and keep the mafia from having ALL the cards. But if you're going to die anyway, best tell us what you're going to flip and maybe, just maybe, it'll be the piece that helps us solve your slot.

as towny as you are, your attitude to claiming is dangerous. the kills from last night worry me and i refuse to help them target more PRs.

clear out the scum in the neighbourhood first and then you can safely figure out the setup.

Or we just kill you and find out that way.

Yes, giving the mafia PR claims IS dangerous, which is why you should only claim when you're close to being eliminated.

Think of it this way: you could either waste the town's time by not claiming, therefore forcing the town to eliminate you to solve your slot and see that flip, thus causing us to have to mis-elim a townie

OR!

You can tell us your role when it becomes clear that if you do not, you will die anyway.

Like I said last post, it could be the missing piece that we need, the thing that will solve your slot and save us from having to eliminate you at all.

If you really are a power role, the mafia will probably try to kill you, which sucks. But now they'll HAVE to kill you. Like we're not going to do it for them if that claim causes us to see you as town. They'll have to use their night kill to eliminate you at that point.

It's wasting the town's time vs wasting the mafia's time. If you wanna wait until you're at L-2 or whatever that'd probably be better but just keep that in mind. A mis-elim is a waste for all of us if it can be avoided by a good claim.

*pulls out hidden bazooka*

VOTE: Whoever posted this

[Titus]

@Titus — Bazooka? Pretty sure bazooka wasn’t in your claim. I’d remember that.

Yes I am swamped but am doing my best

That was not a crumb but strength of conviction.

[Titus]

Ok. I feel Ultimate is lock scum. I'm too tired and have too much driving to really hard case them. However, I do feel their ISO is either pocketing but most likely partners with kitten.

1887 was so bad it stopped my drunken wagon analysis. Considering that UltimateGamer ignored a bazooka, it's time to explode that mortar honey.

UltimateGamer talks to QuietOwl as if QuietOwl is exclusively town, but they're voting for QuietOwl. UltimateGamer has pingponged so often without a reason, you'd think that ball was in a wind turbine. The fact that ball doesn't even bounce to QuietOwl being scum ain't usually how people talk to each other.

Then there's UltimateGamer reaction to kitten around. UltimateGamer's first mention of kitten was that he was ok with the kitten wagon. Yet, as the kitten wagon gains steam, he defends it with nebulous reasoning and says we need a lim.....so he goes for a random ass wagon on a lurker....

If his lurker wagon went through, it'd have to go faster than McMenno's. UltimateGamer objected because it went too fast.



UltimateGamer has one agenda. Saving Kitten but not having it be an albatross on his neck.

VOTE: kitten around

I know I just cased UltimateGamer. That's who I want dead, but I don't think I'm getting that so I'll settle.

#Don'tIgnoreBazookas
#DrunkTitusWatchesTheCircle