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is there an iso it would be helpful for me to try to give an immediate opinion on, if not I'll just start trudging through from the start ig lmao-
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I decided to just read literally the whole thing, this feels more worth it-
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reached around page 35
pretty strongly dont like Tbone
was originally uneasy abt shea but as time progressed I agreed with like 90% of things he said and not half that much for anyone else + norwee just on this page got wolfy enough where I was like screw it, just gonna go with this is t v w
pooky probably villager although I dont liek that outside of his couple rly strong wolfreads, it doesnt feel like he cares to develop any broader worldview at all
I feel surprisingly little else-
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pooky citing the "panties in a bunch" thing 18 different times is kinda funny-
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I shouldve posted more things I was thinking before reading this crap completely wore my brain out, Jesus christ
Why do I keep coming back to forum mafia-
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lmfao no way that's relevant, I must've gone through puberty and everything since then-
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someone's asking me to watch a movie so not even gonna finish up or proofread this, just hitting submit
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honestly would give this post rly little credence/I myself don't personally trust it but maybe something resonates
I just feel like I shouldve been posting much more about my progression of thoughts so here are some what I've been thinking I guess idk lmao
sheep
tsq is fine
pooky is fine
enchant - just sheeping the thread, on my to-do-list to understand the meta here / check whether it's still valid. dead null to me personally, maybe even lean wolf lolz
cakez - didn't love that one catchup, idk it felt more like selecting a conclusion about a player and then affirming it while moving through the thread, rather than the natural other way around. but at the same time the level of sheer genuine tilt is probably just villa 80%
gamma ?? - feels like, worst ratio of volume to anything actually memorable (beyond the early challenge) but from what I remember this might be more of a calmer playstyle thing than AI
shirou ??? - no clue would honestly rather just sheep my town reads here than try to conclude things. this "sacrifice for deadsheep" thing is ridiculous tho just hang wolfy ppl
alisae ?? - I like the posts on a micro level, but the overall worldview is a bit hard to buy, like the "im so confident everyone's town that im desperate for a PP flip, which if it's a villager would shake me"
std - was actually one of my top towns up to a point, but I think when people started sussing him he responded really badly. e.g. freedom-tunnel was done in a too easy/lazy way I didnt like, like wolf reading freedom there is fine but it was a bit overdone
Norwee
tbone - would need to reread stuff to legit formulate a push. I remember thinking his reaction to the challenge was dreadful before reaching TSQ posting the same thing. The stance on voting pooky because of wanting to preserve teammate and stuff was a pretty bothersome out from actually solving, which it ended up being; idk how to describe better. like the justification with past experiences and stuff actually made some sense, but there was still a weird disconnect between deciding to vote pooky and absolutely no acknowledgement of pooky's AI content, which was like triple anyone else's at that point. disliked some other posts but no clue by now. my brain has stopped critical thinking by the time there's a wave of interesting solving from this slot page 70
PP/Psyche - obv dead null so far but I dont want to define a "dead null" location on my list it's too 3d/fluid-
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pg 94, randomly feel like an update is warranted
-liking std more, mind melding
-gamma is pretty bad
has had wolfy vibes overall but in particular took a stance on shirou v alisae by being like "shirou says the game feels so easy rn, and I had a similar worldview earlier in the game where it felt easy," and thus aligns hard with shirou, dont like that
this is also like a pretty bad response lmfaoIn post 2338, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’ll grant that your Alisae read isn’t as bad as it seemed at first but I still don’t trust you when you’re going after the most obvtown player in the challenge imo, and I don’t like your shade of Haschel.In post 2335, Save The Dragons wrote:i think gamma needs to get limmed my tr is completely gone
-no actual clue abt shirou v alisae, but I find it interesting that I think shea + shirou have overlapped on a line of reasoning abt alisae
actually looking back I guess there's Less overlap than I thought, but they're both (in rly different instances) like "alisae drifts in 'idk abt anything' until suddenly developing stances that feel more based on the thread's reads than natural solving" and both times I nodded along and liked them for the line of reasoning for a few minutes
-need someone to clarify to me the seeming consensus on enchant, I've read rly varying perspectives from like Objectively effectively inno child here to like, my predecessor saying theyre wolfy and no one actually trying to convince him otherwise with explanation lol. like is it like old-creature-meta type or just a bunch of ppl have exaggeratedly strong reads.
but either way it seems weird/impossible to assert that this stuff, like, is def villager lmao, even by extreme meta. like in creature's case the villa-lock thing was him producing, meaningful content. that he supposedly couldnt fake-
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I feel like 4 wolves in this setup instead of 3 is crazy lol wtf
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I feel like gamma has a wolfy disconnect between seeming confidence in her reads and the wonkiest justification for them
like, I actually feel like almost everyone likes to 100% confidently assert this person is town/scum for the most weirdly weak reasons, but even then gamma is the only one who has stood out to me as doing it in a hard-to-believe way.
like i just read the sequence in P#2591 for example. just think it's p bad lol.
guess it's more of a tonal thing than what the actual stances are like
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Are you trying to say I’m wolf with this postIn post 4306, Gamma Emerald wrote: The wild part is I give odd justifications for reads always, so the reasons sheep gives in his last post are playstyle ones-
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nothing against pushing pooky. it's more like it never felt (at least early d1, not sure about later down the line) that u tried to sort between pooky/cakez/whoever else was in the pool, and the only ever sort of acknowledgement was that u felt like choosing pooky cuz u wanted ur neighbor alive, which isnt a valid excuse to not still have interest in deliberating their alignmentsIn post 4299, T-Bone wrote:
He detailed a scumread on me too, not just you. I also found it lacking because he decided to scumread me for pushing for Pooky's lim even though that's not what happened.In post 4297, Gamma Emerald wrote: Would not be surprised if sheep is scum
This is kinda OMGUS but I’m also the only read he’s bothered to talk about in any detail-
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Ehhh idrk what I’m supposed to say to either part of that
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Oh I see what ur talking abt saying ur the only read I explain
i was tryna say less when I had read less cuz I just thought those thoughts were less valid / relevant; wasn’t amazingly confident in anything + bound to change based on what happened since
like I rly relate to what psyche was saying when he had recently replaced in
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idk
just feels like u say tons of stuff but none of it ever builds to a coherent/memorable worldview the way it does for others
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I guess what I v-read about shea is he just feels unagenda'd lol
like you could say that his agenda is technically just to get rid of his unchanging wolfreads
but it feels like if he were a wolf he'd be temped to pick one of the billions of ways to have a greater affect on things
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best post ive read in the game so far
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not close to caught up, falling behind actually, but this shirou response to norwe being swapped in is pretty bad regardless of flip-
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should I vote shirou or avoid hammer
literally just LMK, I want in on the fun I feel left out
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ok wait yeah I'd wait for legacy reads just in case-
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sheep
TSQ
tbone
psyche
enchant
dunnstral
gamma
std
cakez
shirou
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rly like psyche's case on alisae on this page, p singlehandedly makes me like psyche and worry more abt alisae-
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also think shirou treatment of psyche in that area is incredibly w->v
(very soon after Titus died and then alisae challenged psyche and then shirou+alisae realized it was M-ELO or what the term is but were still like ahh let's just hang psyche, I can detail more if ppl are curious)-
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based on what im reading rn, the rly easy answer has been shirou/alisae/cakez but I sort of see how the Ali sub-out put a rly odd dent in that-
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almost feel like it would be inefficient to do a ton of critical thinking atm before flip Cuz it would all be heavily based off a very tunneled Shirou w world, which I slightly doubt here and there
Also psyche is so pure bruh-
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reading std is the weirdest ever
obvtown (game start) to obvwolf (flailing when ppl first sus him) to obvtown (midgame) to obvwolf (treatment of shirou v. psyche round 1) to obvtown (start of d3)
literally impossible to iso because every 1-liner can only be read in contex
also this could be such a bad perspective that it's just minus townpointsIn post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote: Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose
which is really strange because I remember talking to gamma 20 pages later and thinking her worldview was remarkably similar to mine, something to flag-
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sheep - sheep
shea - shea
std - villager, is definitely thinking rly hard, it's not just random bs
enchant - im just gonna sheep my towncore's read on enchant, but if I end up in F3 with him and no one at any point explained intricately what to think abt this meta-wise, then im gonna kill someone
Psyche
gamma - worrying but tonally is villager
Tbone - has the best vibes like it felt like town had a brief 2 hour good period and he was a seamlessly natural part of it idk
—a line—
leaves Dunn/shirou/cake
Wasnt even intentional to end up with literally 3 ppl, was meant to be a normal realist-
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nah it's informed cuz im so scarily dead-on-
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VOTE: dunn
will do something meaningful again at some point . one day-
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lmfao how on earth is that more likely than I decided he's probably townIn post 4968, T-Bone wrote:
I mean sheep is barely present, I could see it simply being a case where sheep forgot what he told the thread.In post 4964, Thestatusquo wrote:
this kind of sloppiness on read progressions is waaaaay more likely to come from town.In post 4959, T-Bone wrote:In post 4759, sheepsaysmeep wrote: reading std is the weirdest ever
obvtown (game start) to obvwolf (flailing when ppl first sus him) to obvtown (midgame) to obvwolf (treatment of shirou v. psyche round 1) to obvtown (start of d3)
literally impossible to iso because every 1-liner can only be read in contex
also this could be such a bad perspective that it's just minus townpointsIn post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote: Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose
which is really strange because I remember talking to gamma 20 pages later and thinking her worldview was remarkably similar to mine, something to flag
These are 12 hours apart. Gamma loses town points for their bad perspective on the scumteam...and then Sheep produces the same scumteam in their next post. What?In post 4765, sheepsaysmeep wrote: sheep - sheep
shea - shea
std - villager, is definitely thinking rly hard, it's not just random bs
enchant - im just gonna sheep my towncore's read on enchant, but if I end up in F3 with him and no one at any point explained intricately what to think abt this meta-wise, then im gonna kill someone
Psyche
gamma - worrying but tonally is villager
Tbone - has the best vibes like it felt like town had a brief 2 hour good period and he was a seamlessly natural part of it idk
—a line—
leaves Dunn/shirou/cake
Wasnt even intentional to end up with literally 3 ppl, was meant to be a normal realist-
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oh wait
it's that I misread gamma's post I think?? as non-sarcastic-
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to be fair I dont think I actually at all impacted the last couple flips happening
I'd expect shea to townread me more for the fact that our worldviews have been really really really really similar-
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her post says it's a townteam, and looking back from modern day it was very clearly not a townteam-
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honestly did not read it because I figured in terms of PT those two would be capable of faking literally anything-
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theres an annual hydra event on mafia universe, and like a rly similar "team mafia", where it's completely common practice if you roll wolf to still do the whole chatting thing roleplaying villagers the whole game in case anyone asks
and alisae at least has been on that site
sometimes ofc the content of the chatting is definitely from villagers but it at least renders the existence of real game-related conversations NAI-
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ok I see the slip yeah
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how do u do that tho the pt color is so different lmfao-
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personally thought enchant the least likely of the 3 until he started lolcatting-
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In post 4939, Save The Dragons wrote: swap me, kill me, when i flip green kill psyche because it seems like apretty obviousbus to me
open wolfingIn post 5147, Save The Dragons wrote: like fine, you disagree with me, it's possible and probably likely i'm just wrong here
but it'd be a mistake to just rule it out-
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think theres a dissonance between the two posts between 100% confident and "im not confident at all" thats just flailing-
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lol maybe I'll try to stop procrastinating and write out why the people are wolves-
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I would certainly describe enchant today as trolling or lolcatting-
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STD too is 90% like, the wolfteam was trying to power a psyche lim, didn't play out and suddenly wolves were losing badly and no idea wtf to do, so he just latches onto what he knows / what progress has been made toward which is tryna steamroll psyche
the perspective is just like, literally that unbelievable lol.
both the premise that psyche was more likely a bus than villager, and the wonky way it's been presented in the past couple days or whatever-
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Honestly I think dunn/std fits better lol I wouldn’t haven’t swapped in enchant, but this still needs to go-
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ya sureIn post 5262, Save The Dragons wrote: If that's your solve, literally the entire scum team and no one else was voting psyche at one point
In post 4255, Firebringer wrote:
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Shirou/norwe + something like dunn-std picked Villa Psyche as the hang before Elo but I’ve still been putting off picking out quotesIn post 5295, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What is your read on the gamestate?In post 5238, sheepsaysmeep wrote: nah psyche is an innocent child
but enchant does need to be resolved
Do think this is consensus but wolves went from winning to losing recently
Though the only person who felt rejuvenated is shea who was already clear
Have been saying am p sure it’s just within std/enchant/dunn, but not as 100% confident as I’d like
Obv if we hit a v flip I’ll think v hard abt life
Tbone is fine
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I think I was tunneling std a bit hard and subconsciously gave cakez cred for something there + Norwe’s swap looks good for him on rly surface level lolIn post 5341, Gamma Emerald wrote: What is this spew cred Cakez has?-
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possibly too accurate to be wolfIn post 4072, SirCakez wrote:
it feels like scum really don't want Shirou to go through so the alternatives are getting tons of pressureIn post 4008, Thestatusquo wrote: And the fact that there is this much sustained pressure for limming him is absurd.-
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- Jack of All Trades
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