Hello, my name is Bernard.
I am the head of the
It looked to me that you did. I was wondering why you were outraged with momo's vote. I couldn't see how momo's vote was anything but RVS (would momo genuinely think "not voting" is scum-indicative?).In post 33, WhemeStar wrote:I don't take anything Momo says seriously
This is possibly true. Your WhemeStar-wagon was fresh and live: you were online, ready to react to more votes.In post 43, WhemeStar wrote:If you were following the band wagon you would be voting me
In post 68, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you just now voting him?
Interesting. WhemeStar doesn't feel the need to support his vote with an elaborate explanation.In post 69, WhemeStar wrote:Does it matter?
Both scum and town can make a 'bad vote'. Your accusation about WhemeStar's "delayed" vote feels reachy. I feel like you are pushing this too hard.In post 77, Nero Cain wrote:I think it does. Like you had called his vote bad and didn't vote him and you just have this sudden delayed reaction that he was scum? I don't know if I buy that story.
Instead of trying to dig himself out of a hole, WhemeStar has built a bunker which he refuses to leave. I feel like scum-WhemeStar would have at least tried to clear the air with Ircher - because avoiding to answer a question will just inflame further attention and pressure.In post 78, WhemeStar wrote:This won't go anywhere. Im done.
That is a good summary Elena.In post 122, Elena Fisher wrote:Wheme wagon was a RVS wagon that nero tried to turn real based on nothing.
I am trying to think of an instance where a town-aligned scum-hunter would ask these questions. I unfortunately do not believe the tone.In post 128, momo wrote:BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??
This scum-read feels manufactured too. "flip floppy" at the start of the game on D1 should be null-alignment indicative. I do not believe the sincerity of this seemingly 'forced' scum-read and vote. I will look at association-analysis post-flip (current theory: Not_Mafia bussing momo, momo voting scum-partner?)In post 128, momo wrote:Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.
VOTE: NotMafia
In post 168, Nero Cain wrote:I do and I will after Elana explains why I shouldn't.
In post 170, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you so against letting Ellana explain their stance?
Do you think people will join this empty page 8 vanity/RVS wagon? Does town/scum-Mehtaph react a certain way to these type of votes?
In post 192, Creature wrote:DAUNTLESS has the potential to be TOWNLESS
Hello Creature, please explain how you came to that conclusion? That statement has come out of nowhere.
Please can you express to me what Ircher has said that shouts "town" to you.In post 206, Creature wrote:Btw, Ircher is town, better luck next time, RC.
Explain to me how you differentiate between tentative-town, and tentative-scum.In post 215, momo wrote:Also I will now say this, Creature's refusal to post any content strikes me a bit of. (not full on scummy but of). He clearly is paying attention but it is almost like he does not want to make anything up. Maybe he does not want to get caught in a slip???
I do agree with this statement. Perhaps I need to take a step back.In post 225, momo wrote:It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait.
Regarding Srceenplay, yes, he has made the 'right' moves so far (I still have trust issues with him though), which I will explore later.In post 244, zakk wrote:town reads on screenplay and whemestar btw
Why is getting the RC hydra into the thread one of the most pressing issues for you right now?In post 245, Mewtaph wrote:I voted RC hydra because RC just posted. Lure them back to the thread. But nah.
In TwoFaceworld I respected your early VCA.In post 246, Transcend wrote:ask me anything
In post 250, keyenpeydee wrote:VOTE COUNT 1.02
Elena Fisher, Mewtaph, WhemeStar, Keyser Söze,[4] Nero Cain:
zakk, Nero Cain, Ircher,[3] WhemeStar:
Not_Mafia, Radiant Moonlight, Srceenplay,[3] momo:
Aristophanes, momo, Ramcius,[3] Not_Mafia:
BTD6_maker,[1] Radiant Moonlight:
PenguinPower,[1] Transcend:
Creature,[1] zakk:
Transcend,[1] Creature:
alban, rb, shosNOT VOTING:
For the record, what I was trying to tin-foil/imply (or some people would say 'reach for') is... please point out which one is your scum-teammate.In post 254, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 192, Creature wrote:DAUNTLESS has the potential to be TOWNLESSHello Creature, please explain how you came to that conclusion? That statement has come out of nowhere.
What made you change your mind on Nero Cain (OR what is your read of Nero Cain now?).
In post 267, WhemeStar wrote:Transcend are you scum
In post 268, Transcend wrote:yea
Is there a limited window where a player must vote after stating 'suspicion' of a player?In post 281, Nero Cain wrote:How is it reachy when its what you know actually happened?In post 241, Keyser Söze wrote:Your accusation about WhemeStar's "delayed" vote feels reachy
In post 311, Nero Cain wrote:Why must I believe the same thing as you?I did not see this as suspicious, or an irregular progression of a scum-read.
I don't think this matters at all.Are you questioning whether WhemeStar didn't like Ircher's vote in the first place?
Do you think Mewtaph reacts a certain way to RVS/empty/vanity wagons when he is town/scum?In post 315, Creature wrote:Even if it means starting a vanity wagon.
It's early and any wagon can happen, just put your vote into it and maybe someone will join you and bam, a wagon appeared.
A disagreement is not a scum-tell, Nero Cain. Please read again.In post 318, Nero Cain wrote:Do you often use "I don't think the same thing as him so he must be scum." as a scumtell?In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:If you don't believe the same thing as me, you need to convince me to lynch a host who you think is a threat to town.
In post 325, Nero Cain wrote:this is you disagreeing with me. If Wheme was town I don't know why he'd not be voting Ircher the moment he thought Irchers vote made no sense. It was delay, I don't know why and it worries me.In post 241, Keyser Söze wrote:Both scum and town can make a 'bad vote'. Your accusation about WhemeStar's "delayed" vote feels reachy. I feel like you are pushing this too hard.
My original point for voting you was that I found the scum-narrative you were trying to paint of WhemeStar was reachy. My suspicion of you has deepened since my initial vote. [My confirmation bias is also saying: I feel like you know I am town too. If someone was defending my #1 scum read I would be more on the offensive foot. At this moment, I feel like you are trying to argue out of a position you know is reachy and not alignment indicative. Not even one slice of OMGUS being expressed yet. At least you are talking to me, you will likely be my strongest t/read or s/read by the end of today.]In post 334, Nero Cain wrote:If you felt like this was selective scumhunting on my part why did you not say so when first voting me?
Please can you share/express this in full.In post 342, Nero Cain wrote:I was reading Wheme as scummy from before his delayed vote so its not the whole reason.
Please quote and explain to me in detail why Whemestar was scum at that stage of the game.
Share with me why you are voting zakk over Transcend.In post 316, Creature wrote:If I had to join one of these wagons, I guess only Transcend's I would join.In post 300, keyenpeydee wrote:[4] momo: Not_Mafia, Radiant Moonlight, zakk, Srceenplay,
[3] Nero Cain: Elena Fisher, Mewtaph, Keyser Söze,
[3] Not_Mafia: Aristophanes, momo, Ramcius,
[2] WhemeStar: Nero Cain, Ircher,
[2] Transcend: PenguinPower, WhemeStar,
It is the point of there being a clock on it.In post 364, Nero Cain wrote:Why would town not vote their scum read?
Do you think WhemeStar had justified reason to quick-vote Srceenplay too?
[I know this may be an obvious question, but...]In post 362, Creature wrote:Note I voted zakk before zakk's 243.
I haven't changed it because it didn't convince me.
Anyone is a worthy wagon on D1 (but I personally lean town on zakk so far. As heIn post 375, Radiant Moonlight wrote:Hi. Why not vote zakk?
Even though this deepens the tin-foil hat conspiracy of your scum-narrative of WhemeStar it is actually making me understand what you are seeing (theorizing).In post 379, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think his reaction was really a town reaction. I'd have expected him to vote Ircher. And its not just that Wheme didn't vote in 41 but he also didn't vote in 43, 45, 48, 51 and 53. My reaction to him finally voting Ircher was thathis scumbuddies told him to vote a scumbuddy.
Don't you think a replacement is more advisable if you think this is true? Why chase a policy lynch on D1, when the great harvest has already begun?In post 392, alban wrote:[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]
Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours.My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.
Could you please show me some meta-rich scum-zakk connections. I feel like that is your angle (?).In post 388, Creature wrote:243 doesn't seem AI for you.
Hello alban. What did "^^" signifiy?In post 275, alban wrote:^^In post 217, Srceenplay wrote:
You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again
That's my problem with it.
VOTE: Momo
Could you draw up the points
For the record, I believeIn post 395, Keyser Söze wrote:Don't you think a replacement is more advisable if you think this is true? Why chase a policy lynch on D1, when the great harvest has already begun?In post 392, alban wrote:[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]
Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours.My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.
I will take this as an avoidance to present your scum reads.
Before you scare people off the Nero Cain wagon, tell me: 1) why Nero Cain is town 2) who are the scum co-ordinating/pushing his miss-lynch, and who are the townies being blindly misled.In post 411, Not_Mafia wrote:Still think Nero is town, probably scum's designated muslin he right now
In post 337, Creature wrote:I'm not really feeling scum!Nero Cain.
In post 352, Creature wrote:Nero Cain likely salty town.
In post 411, Not_Mafia wrote:Nero is town
In post 458, Ircher wrote:I honestly don't see the Nero!scum case.
In post 492, Transcend wrote:p sure all 3 of these are town
In post 504, Elena Fisher wrote:I don't like the way keyser is talking to Nero it doesn't feel like he's trying to solve him like he's saying it feels like asking basic questions with barely any input
My vote was doing nothing. It became a vanity wagon. [At this stage people are convinced you are town, but I will let time convince me].In post 418, Nero Cain wrote:So Keysor, lets talk more about your vote
I still believe the 58 minute vote-delay was not indicative of alignment (null). However, if WhemeStar does flip scum, I would then look into the associations of who he has voted/scum-read. I personally don't vote straight away everytime (due to how a scum-read naturally develops, or sometimes I prefer to talk before shooting). Does scum-WhemeStar delay his votes? If you can prove this, this would help to convince me. If you can show me what scum-WhemeStar had to gain by delaying his vote of Ircher, this would also help to change my position on it.In post 418, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you think it took him several posts to vote Ircher?
In post 418, Nero Cain wrote:What is your read on Wheme and why?
If you were referring to your post 275:In post 483, alban wrote:That's highly presumptuous. Why would you think I have not already presented my reads?In post 395, Keyser Söze wrote:Don't you think a replacement is more advisable if you think this is true? Why chase a policy lynch on D1, when the great harvest has already begun?In post 392, alban wrote:[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]
Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours.My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.
I will take this as an avoidance to present your scum reads.
Yes please. Especially as I have him in my lean-town pile.In post 507, Transcend wrote:can someone explain zakk!scum to me
I unfortunately have no read of PenguinPower and Ramcius (DAUNTLESS MEMBERS).In post 508, Transcend wrote:oh yeah and i've ssaid nothing alignment indicative in the dauntless pt.
so idk why penguin tr's me.
Not_Mafia (convinced that momo and zakk is scum. He's one of the strongest authority voices in the thread (Radiant Moonlight has been suprisingly relatively hands-off so far) pushing for us to lynch his scum-reads but I'm still not town reading him. He's like an unofficial town leader but not dressed with the correct attire. Perhaps I am reading too much into his playstyle?)In post 192, Creature wrote:DAUNTLESS has the potential to be TOWNLESS
*town night-vigIn post 524, Keyser Söze wrote:I did not take it as serious roleclaim (in theory, now a town-day vig?).
Have you ever seen a SK change alignment during the day-phase/night-phase?
In post 471, Ircher wrote:The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it.
In post 476, Ircher wrote:Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst.
My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]In post 128, momo wrote:BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??
I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.In post 128, momo wrote:Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.
Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.In post 131, momo wrote:Even more proof for my case....In post 129, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this
momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?In post 137, momo wrote:Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??
It seems more solid than the nero one to me....
In post 146, momo wrote:Where is the town???????
In post 208, momo wrote:Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????
Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.In post 211, momo wrote:I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.
In post 221, momo wrote:Happy??????
Ok, theIn post 225, momo wrote:F U guys.
It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...
"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.
And WhemeStar:In post 239, Aristophanes wrote:Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!
In post 240, Aristophanes wrote:This where's tar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?
It's time to gut that PT and share those thoughts, please.In post 542, Nero Cain wrote:our hood is like 3 pages of Titus yelling that she's right, RC claiming scum, me wanting to slam dunk Key and RB being "v/la".
[In this scum narative momo threw attention on Not_Mafia, and then alban.]
In post 557, Creature wrote:I haven't seen scum!momo get this frustated either.
Are you saying this is town-momo? Or is it null-frustrated?In post 561, Creature wrote:Also, frustrated town usually doesn't mean to look frustrated.
I have not liked momo's tone from the beginning so I empathize about not buying the 'self meta defence'.In post 564, Srceenplay wrote:I don't see it as genuine frustration.
His self meta as lynchbait comes across as an excuse.
In post 565, Radiant Moonlight wrote:It's a better question to ask why momo is frustrated.
In post 567, momo wrote:This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people
I didn't like Nero Cain's reasons to scum read WhemeStar, but did you honestly think they could have "miss-lynched" him within the first few pages of the game?In post 221, momo wrote:Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.
Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.
I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.
Better safe than sorry.
Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.
Why is Nero Cain not allowed to push my lynch?In post 577, momo wrote:I genuinely thought you guys wanted a lynch instead of pressure.
What do you think of Nero's push on Keyser Not??
What do you think will happen when Player A has been pushing a miss-lynch all day (tunnel pressure, but not actually trying to sort that slot? or weigh up motivation/tone?).In post 575, momo wrote:You are pushing for a lynch so hard.
Is Not_Mafia 100% scum?
Please explain to me scum-zakk in full.In post 634, Nero Cain wrote:keyser, Zakk, RB are my preferred lynches
A lynch on rb would give us no information. Even my lynch would prove to be more optimal, based on 'information'.In post 637, Nero Cain wrote:Why should I want that replaced instead of putting pressure on it?
I would not disagree with this comment. That is why I wanted to sort momo ASAP, to stop us talking about him for the next 11 days (his slot is easy to talk about, while other slots can escape our attention).In post 637, Nero Cain wrote:no. I don't think that I Wheme or Momo make sense as pro-town play. I might just be a little worried tha those two are low hanging frruit/bad town.
Dauntless will release an official statement regarding this matter within the next 48 hours.In post 648, Elena Fisher wrote:Outting the faction powers is a fine idea because scum most likely have one in each to start and if they don't they can just move there to see what the power is
You expressed the 3 players you wanted lynched.In post 663, Nero Cain wrote:guys, just b/c I had some doubt about RB doesn't mean we are lynching him. Why are ya'll so up in arms about me expressing my suspicion?
The end read is meaningless. It is how you got there, that is what makes the difference. Now I need to evaluate if I think you actually believed what you were saying. I.e was the scum read real or manufactured? What made you change from 'WhemeStar is scum' to 'WhemeStar is bad town'... if I recognise a natural progression that is good news for you.In post 678, Nero Cain wrote:so? You thought my case on him was bad and that he was a mislynch. Shouldn't you be glad that I'm rethinking?In post 669, Keyser Söze wrote:You didn't list the player you had the biggest scum-case on (WhemeStar).
Yes - this is both the pro-town, and the right decisionIn post 712, Nero Cain wrote:If it doesn't aid in scumhunting then it shouldn't be done IMO. I reject the notion that outting said serums will help town "plan". Assuming that scum are not in all hoods and thus do not know all the serums then by not outting them we deny the scum team that information until d2. That's enough for me to not want to out them.
I was willing to vote for you until this melodramatic challenge.In post 794, alban wrote:I dare you to lynch me. Find 10 people who will vote for me.
I will make it easy for you. I am not gonna provide any more content over the weekend. If you find enough number of people against me, I will have to leave. Let's see what you call it, if not a PL.
In post 782, rb wrote:don't lynch creature
Were you going to add reasons to these reads?In post 784, rb wrote:Ramcius is cool and town
Alban knows we can't force a solid 'scum' lynch on him. We'd be lynching him on 1) his lack of content 2) Day 1 avoidance 3) pushing a spam-lynch instead of a scum-lynch.In post 794, alban wrote:I dare you to lynch me. Find 10 people who will vote for me.
I will make it easy for you. I am not gonna provide any more content over the weekend. If you find enough number of people against me, I will have to leave. Let's see what you call it, if not a PL.