Open 716: Making Friends and Enemies [Game Over]

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:08 am

So we're obviously lynching on the Dave wagon right

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:21 am

I thought he was a Mason this whole time

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:28 am

Of course I did
But a lot of my hard defence was because I thought he was just uber confident he'd never get lynched because mason
Fairly sure both scum were on davesaz
I want everyone's profiles on the entire Dave wagon before end of day
I'm not lynching brassherald

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:37 am

Ugh
Onwagon kill implies offwagon scum and GC is the only Dave voter offwagon
I wonder if GL is scum specifically fucking with me

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:39 am

I mean we have 3 mislynches right? We could literally lynch the entire wagon until we hit scum at this rate

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:43 am

UNVOTE: avoiding lolhammer
Is anyone else feeling GL/mylo

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:45 am

Gamma also avoided mylo
His vote on BuJaber lacks conviction imo
I think d1 scumlynch implies
A. Lurker/bad scum
B. Scumteam that intends to live to endgame (ie no more bussing)

We should analyse then which teams between the 5 aren't possible based on B

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:51 am

Idk GL is known as strong scum
I really don't like metadiving good/experienced scum
They're aware of their own meta
I think associatives might be useful but otherwise meh

I'm more interested GC meta actually

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:53 am

Specifically it looks like he really believes his own davesaz case
So my question is what do his most believable cases look like when he's scum

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:56 am

Wait fucking lol guys
Pops kill literally makes Gamma scum
VOTE: Gamma

Check vcs
Gamma was on both verydark wagon and BuJaber wagon after hopping off verydark
BuJaber vote was lame, convictionless

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:06 am

I thought pops had no other scumreads
But actually he spent most of d1 bitching about how I was stonewalling the Gamma wagon because he's easier to read in lategame
Check his ISO
Pops kill doesn't totally make sense otherwise

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:08 am

Give me Gammas head guys

In return if he flips town ill basically sheep my townreads+Gamma

But I don't want to lynch lynchbait today

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:44 am

Gamma why does anyone kill pops cmon

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:58 am

Mylo for the love of God town it up

I'm not defending you forever

That vote is lynchable as fuck in terms of optics

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:59 am

You get lynched tomorrow 90% of the time if we hit town today
Your life actually depends on finding scum right now

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:00 am

FIND SCUM
OR AT LEAST FIND TOWN ON THE DAVE WAGON

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:06 am

Dave I think it's best you only talk about people on your wagon
Runs the least risk of outting your partners

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:30 am

Lol I was scumreading you at the time
Been flip flopping on Gamma all game

That said
Gamma is an L7 weenie!
Lynch him!

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:32 pm

it's probably GL/Mylo if it's not Gamma

but it's also probably gamma

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:34 pm

probably more on you/mylo to figure that one out

i just want one scum today

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:37 pm

WAGONS(Sort By: Alphabetical Data Type: Simple LSort: On)Note from vote counter. These votes include any vote on or off that impacted said wagon.

Spoiler: Day 1

Spoiler: Day 2

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:39 pm

gamma's been on every major wagon except mylo

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:51 pm

...

okay gamma --> mylo

there's no world in which this isn't the lynch order

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

In post 1190, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm fairly confident we hit at least one scum if we do Gamma->Mylo

if the scum is Mylo then we can lynch me after that if we want but it's probably brass in that world I think

you think brass busses his buddy, hops on davesaz, and then goes back to bussing his buddy while showing hesitance in joining the gamma wagon?

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:57 pm

In post 681, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 674, Mathdino wrote:do you really think scum doubles down on this "i don't know what the fuck i'm doing shtick" for the entirety of his ISO
I guess I can get down with this read?
Maybe I'll look at Mylo pushes for opportunism since I'm thinking this way

so i feel like gamma's avoided the mylo wagon for optics

feeling 1 and only 1 scum in {gamma, mylo}

and then 2nd scum in {GL, brass, GC}?

does that even work?

Mathdino · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:02 pm

In post 1199, Myloninja13 wrote:The only one there I can see happening is Gamma/Brass.

Also, have you changed your mind considerably on kmd?

i'm not lynching anyone off the davesaz wagon

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:51 am

okay guys we got 3 days left for

- gamma to give us something sheepable
- mylo to actually start posting something that even slightly resembles content
- dave to give us something sheepable (please come to consensus with mason buddies so we have a plan regardless of who dies thanks)
- us to get L-1 and a Hamma Emerald

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:06 am

go watch the sandlot, i was riffing off of GC

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:19 am

i mean the default state of the game for me was gamma --> myloninja

so you scumreading mylo is just confirmation of that plan

was just wondering if you'd come up with anything spicier

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:54 am

upon review, i'm really really not into the idea that brass was scum hardbussing bujaber the entirety of D1, especially given that there's no daytalk and he couldn't possibly have planned that out with bujaber

given that the team is most likely not gamma/mylo (although they should still be lynched in succession) it's getting harder for me to believe that the entire scumteam was on davesaz

that said there's definitely at least 1, and digging into GL/GC is gonna be really ugly if i'm somehow wrong on both gamma and mylo (although mylo is kind of just policy)

so here's the plan

1. we find the 1 scum on the davesaz wagon, and rule out the onwagoners who don't make sense as scum

2. by that time enough masons will be killed or outed to make it safe to hunt offwagon

this actually disincentivises scum killing non-davesaz masons (a move that would be pro-scum otherwise) because it opens the floodgates to lynch offwagon

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:52 am

not bad, gamma

just did an overview of their ISOs and a mylo/VD scumteam has a LOT of equity, especially with explaining the D1 bujaber steamroll (despite having a lot of seemingly town motivated votes)

will 100% lynch VD if mylo flips scum

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:48 am

In post 1249, Myloninja13 wrote:If I could defend myself here, I have zero idea why the hell scum killed pops. The only reason I would've done that as scum is if my partner forced me to. I barely interacted with them, and they seemed to be scum read by a few people. I would've killed someone like Math or Guilty Lion who were experienced and overall town read, and could've been masons at that point too.

But I'm fine with the order going Gamma > Me. Although I'd prefer if Gamma is town to get a chance to defend myself day 3, if she is scum then we really have almost won the game anyway.

fuck i'm actually super townreading this

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:52 am

mylo just get on the gamma wagon

the best way to defend yourself is to actually catch scum

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:54 am

In post 1180, Mathdino wrote:

Myloninja13 (5)
~
Kmd4390, Mathdino, davesaz, brassherald, Something_Smart
1144
\

can this wagon really be all town?

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:00 am

S_S is half confirmed town
if i'm wrong then i guess that's my punishment for being angleshooty re: reading replacements

davesaz is town

brassherald is town by associations

and Kmd has a semi-decent argument about why he doesn't just defend his buddy all day as scum

so is that just the kryptonite wagon for scum?

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:07 pm

cool someone end the day please

i have no real motivation to go do the GC/Kmd metadives when either

A. i'm alive tomorrow anyway because lolmasons

B. if i do get NK'd, scum are fucked mechanically

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:14 pm

Holy fuck you guys stop shitting the bed while I'm gone

Gimme a second I'm invested in this shit

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:26 pm

In post 1259, Myloninja13 wrote:Gamma is L-1 currently, we just need someone to vote them.

In post 1262, Kmd4390 wrote:
Vote Gamma

In post 1263, Myloninja13 wrote:Gamma, what are you? You're lynched, it doesn't matter anymore.

In post 1264, Gamma Emerald wrote:town
if you back off lynching mylo tomorrow and he ends up scum you all lose credibility as good players, his last few posts are not town
if mylo is scum lynch VD and then KMD if VD is town, that vote from KMD came just as I was starting to crack down on mylo

In post 1265, Myloninja13 wrote:DAMN IT

In post 1267, Gamma Emerald wrote: yeah and guess what motherfucker
I wasn't even hammered
If I do get hammered for real lynch the hammerer and don't lynch KMD

In post 1269, Myloninja13 wrote:Wait, you weren't hammered?

In post 1271, Myloninja13 wrote:UNVOTE:

In post 1273, Gamma Emerald wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm actually going to lock you as town for a bit because your reactions after hammer were pretty alright and I want to see what I end up thinking
also I definitely believe KMD is town, I don't think scum!her thinks to fakehammer like that

In post 1274, Myloninja13 wrote:I could argue against my lynch here, but at the very least we know Gamma is confirmed here so you can probably lynch me now.

We'll go into day 3 with at least one confirmed townie, and you'll avoid the whole "Scum in Gamma/Mylo" thing.

In post 1275, Myloninja13 wrote:Gamma, why are you unvoting me now? Everyone wants me lynched now that you're confirmed, I may as well get it over with.

VOTE: Mylo

this entire progression makes me want to die

gamma literally said about a minute after he townclaimed that he wasn't hammered
he made 0 posts onsite in the 13 mins between lolhammer and his townclaim.
this combined, he almost 100% checked getting "hammered" in that timeframe

In post 1280, Kmd4390 wrote:Hmm.

Now the question is whether gamma believed that was hammer or not.

Mylos first post after my vote felt fake but everything after that feels town.

Ugh.

Mathdino, help

DUDE HE ADMITTED TO KNOWING IT WASNT A HAMMER LOL

and he's sitting here soaking the towncred instead of setting the record straight, that he clearly knew it wasn't a hammer before townclaiming

knowing isn't a scumtell, but knowing and then letting yourself be townread on shit reasoning that you just fucking admitted doesn't work?

gamma is still scum

and yes i admit mylo spewed town hilariously hard here

like there's no way mylo is scum at this point and gamma is defaulting back to WKing him

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:30 pm

someone get off the mylo wagon right now, hammers are scumclaims

he's already claimed VT so there's no burden of claiming intent for scum

there was scum on the davesaz wagon, we are not speculating scumteams with 2 people off of it

mylo is the kryptonite wagon

here is our lynch order

Gamma --> GL (wtf with this Mylo push?) --> GC --> Kmd --> verydark

We get 3 mislynches. This always wins us the game.

Mathdino · Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:58 pm

WKing is White Knighting. Aggressively defending a townie (usually who's being wagoned) as if you're their saviour to gain towncred. It's honestly my primary strategy as scum lol

Kryptonite wagon = radioactive wagon or whatever, I'm not sure there's actually a term for it on MS. Basically I think you're the wagon that scum are avoiding like hell in order to not look like they just lynched lynchbait. They instead defended you by going after your main aggressor, davesaz.

Pulling brassherald quotes.

And no, Gamma didn't "probably" check,

he fucking admitted to having checked

.

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:10 am

fuck okay so my previous wagon data was incorrect because i didn't input Kop and LUV getting replaced
hang on a second

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

wagon data incoming

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:18 am

Votecount 2.Why Is Gamma Not Lynched Yet

Myloninja13(3)

~ davesaz(36), brassherald(24), Something_Smart(58)

Gamma Emerald(3)

~ Ankamius(24), Mathdino(117), Green Crayons(69)

brassherald(2)

~ verydark(24), Gamma Emerald(74)

Not Voting (3): GuiltyLion(57), Kmd4390(29), Myloninja13(58)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-14 17:15:00)

and by scum request

HIT ME BABY ONE MORE TIMENote from vote counter. These votes include any vote on or off that impacted said wagon.

Spoiler: Day 1

Spoiler: Day 2

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:19 am

@Mod: fuck sorry i didn't click 'replace' when replacing 'blue' with 'purple'
if you could do that that'd be cool
i've been using this site
http://textmechanic.com/text-tools/basi ... lace-text/

Done.

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:33 am

well we're sure as hell not lynching brassherald

we have 2 days on the deadline

your reason for townreading Gamma is literally "he claimed town" followed by him trying to WK you like always

Gamma --> Mylo (on Gamma scumflip only? idk) --> GL --> GC --> verydark --> Kmd --> brassherald

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:39 am

i got paranoid of a coasting-smart because i'm starting to PoE myself out of reasonable scumteams

In post 766, Something_Smart wrote:As much as some of his responses are making me want to scumread him, I really don't think that kill comes from Math.

but then i came across this post and i really don't think that post comes from scum

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:01 am

literally every single person in my lynch order prior to brassherald

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:06 am

certain pairs of people in that order feel wrong to me

the lynch order is mostly a "guaranteed we hit at least one scum in here, then we reevaluate upon second scumflip"

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:11 am

In post 1322, Myloninja13 wrote:So then why are you lynching me if Gamma is scum?

distancing followed by mutual townread is a funny thing

i don't think, as scum, that you would pass up the gamma mislynch

but as scum you would obviously know his townclaim was a lie and that would explain your strange tone afterwards

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:27 am

In post 1331, Myloninja13 wrote:But why lie if he was mafia and thought he was actually lynched? He's lynched, why lie and be annoying to everyone after his flip?

holy shit you guys

he didn't think he was lynched

go back to the progression yourselves and look at the timestamps

gamma waited 13 minutes after the hammer (9 minutes after mylo asked if he's town) to claim town

then less than 3 minutes later typed out

yeah and guess what motherfucker
I wasn't even hammered
If I do get hammered for real lynch the hammerer and don't lynch KMD

he did not check his votecount within those 3 minutes, he already knew he was hammered before claiming town

i can do an analysis on gamma's standard multiposting typing speed if it proves this shit

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:28 am

In post 1267, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1265, Myloninja13 wrote:DAMN IT
yeah and guess what motherfucker
I wasn't even hammered
If I do get hammered for real lynch the hammerer and don't lynch KMD

this post was written in 1 minute and 32 seconds due to being a response to mylo's post

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:40 am

Votecount 2.Please Hamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald(5)

~ Ankamius(24), Mathdino(126), Green Crayons(69), Myloninja13(68), brassherald(27)

brassherald(2)

~ verydark(25), Gamma Emerald(74)

Myloninja13(1)

~ davesaz(36)

Not Voting (3): GuiltyLion(57), Kmd4390(29), Something_Smart(62)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-15 17:15:00)

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:10 am

It's mathblades site yeah
Use post 1311
Slow because thread is long

Remember not to spew anyone that was off your wagon
Thoughts on them should be directed to your mason buddies tonight

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:45 am

I don't see Mylo, as scum, passing up the opportunity to lynch Gamma when Mylo is the clear only alternative
I do however see Gamma, as scum, pivoting off if Mylo for towncred, since he's been wking Mylo all game

I agree that Mylo/Gamma team has a shitton of equity though and I'm willing to lynch Mylo on Gamma scumflip

GC is a good call for town flip
My hesitancy comes from his drunkpost Dave case, which read genuine
So when GC becomes a contender I need to check his ability fake cases as scum
Ideally while drunk

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:49 am

I have meta on brass indicating that he would not unnecessarily hardbus his buddy

I don't think it's his scum philosophy

Mathdino · Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:00 am

In post 568, Aster wrote:
Votee Voters

BuJaber (4)
GuiltyLion (177), Mathdino (360), popsofctown (415), Gamma Emerald (422)

verydark (3)
Kmd4390 (22), brassherald
← Agent Sparkles
(233), BuJaber (479)

In post 569, brassherald wrote:Anyway, hello folks, I'll do a catch up later on. I read the ISOs on verydark and BuJaber, though since they are the leading wagons, and I think Sparkles was right with his last vote, right before that verydark started sounding town, then Sparkles never followed it up.

BuJaber, on the other hand, does his big posts without really saying all that much. Plus, he's trying to make this weird sort of push on Gamma who I find to generally be a mislynch target from the beginning.

VOTE: BuJaber

Gamma's likely town by the way. I also ISOd him. Full catch up later.

In post 586, brassherald wrote:I'm not sure why Mylo and Kop are sitting around recently saying they basically have no reads. I find it strange, and I don't like it because at this point you should be able to sort SOMEONE.

I think Gamma is hard to read in general, which Math mentioned, but I think this is town Gamma, gut read. He seems to be more detached as scum, and not to care as much, here, seems like he cares. This read, because of the nature of me reading Gamma in general, though, is subject to change.

Math seems like town. He's been leading the charge on game solving and leading the charge on not looking for masons. I know this is late since I replaced in, but looking for the masons and telling the scum about it is stupid, don't do it.

BuJaber wagon is good. He's superficial, not providing anything in terms of content. I want back on the wagon.

VOTE: BuJaber

verydark I did play with briefly and spectated the rest of the game when I had to replace out, he was town, he's posting the same way here. He's another lynchbait target. I could find the link upon request of the previous game. (I'm just lazy and not going to right now)

Something_Smart also has very low content. He posts, but doesn't say much, and I always feel like that's a good place to be when you just want to survive the day.

Guilty Lion is working at reads, and slowly working out analyses on the list, I like this slot so far, despite a few missteps.

LUV I'm not clear on either way. But, I have too many people I see as worse, so not in my lynchpool.

pops, I have no idea on, I need to reread because I am just blanking on what pops has done and I have to be leaving in 5 minutes. (Reminder to me from me to do later)

KMD is doing good work, good analysis. Prob town.

Dave has reads, but no analysis or reasoning with them from what I can tell...

Why do this?

Replace in when there are 2 viable wagons and just start bussing your buddy?

He unvotes later on to give Bujaber some time, but then is like LOL NEVER MIND and wallposts another vote on Bujaber.

His defence of verydark is genuine and he adds new content to the conversation that he really didn't have to.

Read on Gamma feels genuine as well.

This is all on top of Agent Sparkles being supertown early on.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:01 am

M'BAD

okay now to find out who to blame other than myself for that

cuz there is confirmed scum onwagon

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:05 am

so, instead of doing that, i /in'd to mod a mish mash game

i think i might be the only super-active player left

let's do some real VCA

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:58 am

OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN

Day 1

BuJaber (6)

~

GuiltyLion, Mathdino, popsofctown, Gamma Emerald, brassherald, Myloninja13

693

verydark (6)

~

Kmd4390, Ankamius, Gamma Emerald, BuJaber, brassherald, Mathdino

319

BuJaber (7)

~

GuiltyLion, Mathdino, popsofctown, Gamma Emerald, brassherald, Myloninja13, verydark

714

Day 2

Kmd4390 (4)

~

GuiltyLion, Gamma Emerald, Myloninja13, verydark

924

Myloninja13 (4)

~

Kmd4390, brassherald, Mathdino, davesaz

948

Myloninja13 (4)

~

davesaz, brassherald, Something_Smart, Gamma Emerald

1254

davesaz (5)

~

Green Crayons, GuiltyLion, Gamma Emerald, brassherald, Myloninja13

1114

Gamma Emerald (5)

~

Ankamius, Mathdino, Myloninja13, Kmd4390, GuiltyLion

1185

Gamma Emerald (5)

~

Ankamius, Mathdino, Myloninja13, Kmd4390, Green Crayons

1231

Myloninja13 (5)

~

Kmd4390, Mathdino, davesaz, brassherald, Something_Smart

1144

Myloninja13 (5)

~

davesaz, brassherald, Something_Smart, Myloninja13, Kmd4390

1296

Players alive: Mathdino, Ankamius, Green Crayons, Myloninja, brassherald, Kmd, verydark, GuiltyLion, Something_Smart

On BuJaber wagon: GuiltyLion, Mathdino, brassherald, Myloninja, verydark
Off BuJaber wagon: Ankamius, Green Crayons (expressed approval), Kmd, Something_Smart, verydark

On verydark: Kmd, Ankamius, brassherald, Mathdino
Off verydark: Green Crayons, Myloninja, GuiltyLion, Something_Smart

On Kmd: GuiltyLion, Myloninja, verydark

On davesaz: Green Crayons, GuiltyLion, brassherald, Myloninja
Off davesaz: Mathdino, Ankamius, Kmd, verydark, Something_Smart

On Myloninja: Kmd, Mathdino (policy), brassherald, Something_Smart
Off Myloninja: Ankamius, Green Crayons, verydark, Mathdino, GuiltyLion

On Gamma: Ankamius, Mathdino, Myloninja, Kmd, GuiltyLion (not EoD), Green Crayons, brassherald
Off Gamma: verydark, Something_Smart

From my perspective, lynching anyone off davesaz produces a 50% chance of hitting a mason. So that's obviously shit.

Let's see what I can get out of this then.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:12 am

I have a tell on Bujaber that potentially incriminates one of {GC, Kmd} and one of {verydark, Mylo}.

I'm fairly sure we're looking at:
GC/verydark
Kmd/verydark
GC/Mylo
Kmd/Mylo

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:15 am

Looking at GC/Mylo, we have a FANTASTIC distribution.

One on scumlynch, one off.

Both off lynchbait verydark.

One on Kmd.

Both on davesaz (what a shitty wagon).

GC off Mylo.

And both on Gamma with very far apart votes.

VOTE: GC

Never lynching outside of these two, and I think it's GC.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:28 am

I'm kind of a specialist in developing scumreads that people can't really respond to, lol. See Gamma.

You respond by convincing me there's a better option tbh. Help me solve the game.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:34 am

In post 1373, Green Crayons wrote:“Super secret tell” sounds fishy tho. Plz remind me that you are in fact town this fame?

All my wording-based tells are secret so they don't become obsolete. I haven't made one up yet.

It's kind of a thing nowadays. It's how I knew davesaz was town from D1.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:37 am

In post 1375, Myloninja13 wrote:Math, you keep changing your ideas very quick lol.

What's your point?

Do you agree/disagree with the analysis?

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:41 am

Yeah no I'm not wearing kid gloves anymore.

VOTE: Myloninja

Been leaving you alive with the recognition that you'd be capable of towning it up after lurking for a while. But it's been 2 days, and we ended yesterday counterwagoning you.

If you're town, now is the time to town it up. Post or perish.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:49 am

Or, if you want to save yourself the effort, you could self-vote like yesterday.

You're capable of posting content as town. We both know that.

You're incapable of producing quality nuanced content as scum.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:58 am

In post 502, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm liking LUV, MathDitto, dave and Gamma, they all seem town-motivated and actually interesting in finding scum.

Not sure what I feel about Pop and verydark, they both have townish actions but they both seem distant in actually trying to discover scum in this game.

Pretty much everyone else left no notable impression on me so far.

These people are all town. Mylo knows this.

In post 689, Myloninja13 wrote:Still here, and I figure I may as well vote to actually do something.

VOTE: Davesaz OMGUS always wins.

Yet he votes his townread literally out of OMGUS.

In post 691, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 690, Kmd4390 wrote:Why not verydark?
Because it seems perfectly in line with the game I was in with him, where he was also universally suspicious until a clear cop read saved him.

In post 690, Kmd4390 wrote:If you are scumreading Dave and BuJaber and BuJaber is close to a lynch, and Dave has no votes...why did you vote Dave over BuJaber?
Because we still have time left. If I voted him, he'd be L-1 and could be lynched. Although, at this point I don't think anyone aside from verydark could get lynched.

WKing verydark because verydark was the kryptonite wagon. Refusing to lynch someone you know is lynchbait is super common in people who don't roll scum very often (cough me cough).

Kmd makes my argument for me. I never noticed that shit before lol

In post 693, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 692, davesaz wrote:If you think he's scum then why would that be a bad thing?
And if you don't think he's scum then why did you say he's a scumread?
I mean... that's fair. I do think of him as a scum read, and I would much rather see him lynched than verydark, but I generally wait to hold off on L-1ing.

But at this point, I'll

VOTE: BuJaber

This is L-1

Only L-1's Bujaber because dave tells him to. If he wanted to hold off on L-1ing, he'd have stuck to his guns.

In post 796, Myloninja13 wrote:I'd say that my list of town reads would be Math, SS and GL. All of whom are being helpful, but also don't seem stiff in their helpfulness. And none of whom I can really see as mafia with Bujaber.

I don't really have any scum reads, but dave is a little suspicious from yesterdays actions and also being a bit forceful?

All of these people are town. Mylo is incapable of commenting on his scumbuddies.

In post 882, Myloninja13 wrote:Uh... I'm fine with lynching Kmd, but should we wait to use the rest of the day here?

VOTE: Kmd4390

kill me now.
Sheeps me onto Kmd because "he's fine with it" despite never having stated a read on Kmd. Kmd has been one of the main slots pressuring Mylo.

In post 1114, Myloninja13 wrote:Welp, why not sheep this vote?

VOTE: Dave

THIS IS L-1

Same with dave. Mylo's votes are all survivalistic. Vote someone so he doesn't get lynched, vote someone to remove someone pressuring his slot.

In post 1162, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm and here and I'm fine to take responsibility for the screw up that was daves L-1.
Honestly, at this point I'll just sheep my town reads here, I'm going to avoid screwing up more. If it gets to it, I'll swallow the lynch too.

For now I'll just sheep Mathdino.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Literally the same thing. Mylo has 0 interest in gamesolving.

In post 1199, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 1195, Mathdino wrote:so i feel like gamma's avoided the mylo wagon for optics

feeling 1 and only 1 scum in {gamma, mylo}

and then 2nd scum in {GL, brass, GC}?

does that even work?
The only one there I can see happening is Gamma/Brass.

Also, have you changed your mind considerably on kmd?

Responds to my total gamesolve with "Hey why don't we go back to lynching Kmd?"
Yknow, after we made it clear we weren't lynching offwagon.

In post 1255, Myloninja13 wrote:VOTE: Gamma
, sorry but I don't see anyone else here. No one wants to lynch outside of daves wagon, and GL and GC are strong town reads. Brass is a little suspicious, but only from his quick swap from me to dave back to me.

Classic "PoEing yourself out of sensible reads".
And so fucking much for that "GC strong town read".

In post 1275, Myloninja13 wrote:Gamma, why are you unvoting me now? Everyone wants me lynched now that you're confirmed, I may as well get it over with.

VOTE: Mylo

And now that he fucked himself over by thinking Gamma wasn't an option, he pulled a verydark and didn't get lynched for it.

In post 1300, Myloninja13 wrote:I can get on the brass wagon now, he's the only person I'm actually suspicious of now.

VOTE: Brassherald

See above. PoEing himself out of possible scumreads.

In post 1316, Myloninja13 wrote:VOTE: Gamma

Well, I thought that was confirmed town until you and kmd pointed out they could've easily found out it was a fake vote first.

Knows Gamma is confirmed town, thought he'd get credit for pointing it out.
Only goes back on Gamma with permission from me, but clearly doesn't believe it at all.

In post 1331, Myloninja13 wrote:But why lie if he was mafia and thought he was actually lynched? He's lynched, why lie and be annoying to everyone after his flip?

He says this

while voting Gamma

. He acts like an offwagoner in every way, except for the fact that his vote goes wherever
- other people tell it to
- his own survival needs it to

Mylo is scum.

Mathdino · Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:11 am

In post 186, Mathdino wrote:Town = NSG/dave
Likely town = Kmd/Agent/pops
"To-read list" = Sando, GuiltyLion
Fucking post = Kop/Mylo
Scumlean = BuJaber, Gamma (mfw GL sheeping-without-sheeping my scumreads)
Lynch pls = verydark

holy balls could i have been right about everything except gamma

Mylo --> GC --> verydark --> GL should win the game, removing everyone who's a mason from the lynch order

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:44 am

Meh. I never actually looked at Myloninja's ISO when I claimed things about it. I kinda just assumed he kept lurking/doing nothing.

Did say there was scum in {Gamma, Mylo} and that there's scum on davesaz wagon. From your POV, it's basically confirmed that there's scum in {GC, Mylo}.

My most recent completed scumgame is Three In One Part 2. Shot the doctor and planned a faked guilty on the cop. I'm pretty sure I'm catchable by meta but no one really gives a shit to do so lol.

Honestly my best argument is that
- I wouldn't have made the pops kill because I don't shoot VTs or people I can get lynched
- I wouldn't have made the davesaz kill because he's davesaz, and I'd just figure out who the masons are instead between the pool of 4 (not that hard)

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:21 am

2 mislynches to spare, 3 is a loss.

I'm not asking you to defend yourself (although I do appreciate the scum meta cuz I was gonna ask).

I'm asking you to do whatever the fuck it is you do as town so we don't lose.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:40 am

i mean it would be real nice to not go to 5p lylo with verydark or good scum players like kmd/GL

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:55 am

Well I can't tell you that because the partner is literally probably in the mason pool.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:12 am

I could probably see you/verydark by VCA.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:21 am

i don't fucking know

i'm the only one sitting here gamesolving

the point is that you help me, not "you run my logic to its natural conclusion"

i want to hit scum so we don't hit 5p lylo at all

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:28 am

GL isn't in the lynch order because I assume we're gonna hit scum already in {GC, Mylo}.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:35 am

I think I've adequately explained why I have more issues with GC and Mylo than with GL?

Reading Bujaber's ISO, I don't think he interacted with GL in a scum-scum way.

That said, on reconsideration, his whole "There's probably scum in the meme team, they're too trusting" actually sounds kind of prophetic. So with that in mind, I could definitely see GL is scum conditional on a few flips.

I haven't yet gone through the work of figuring out who GL-scum is actually consistent with yet though.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:41 am

i mean did it look like i gave a shit which of you and bujaber was lynched

i fizzled out end of D1 out of apathy lol

Mathdino · Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:06 am

Oh baby

UNVOTE:

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:12 am

Thanks for improving my scumgames going forward

I get aggressive because I legit get more emotional/pissed off playing scum
Because I feel cornered/claustrophobic
You're the first one to pick up on that gj

I've made lynch orders as scum in a large before
You can't really make a lynch order in a 7p game lol

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:20 am

eh i already figured out the aggression thing but no one publicised the tell or really tried to meta me so i had no incentive to change it

and that's so weird i was literally listening to the jurassic park audiobook scene where nedry dies while playing this game yesterday

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:12 pm

I'm honestly just waiting on Mylo to not be useless

Have you checked out that scumgame he linked

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:32 pm

You tell me

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:52 pm

Kmd please also do something
There's no way it's brass
Who's scum

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:04 pm

...but it's just not brass
I don't understand your read there at all

Mathdino · Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:42 pm

GL is not the same player as brass
GL and i have "hydrad" as scum before as well
I know d1 bussing the shit out if his weakest buddy is within his range and is also something he might subconsciously think NSG/kmd/dave/I wouldn't expect him to do due to his strategy in team mafia

Mathdino · Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:44 pm

avoiding quicklynch

i still think mylo is more likely scum than anyone else honestly

i patiently await ankamius's going into it

Mathdino · Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:14 pm

i don't see him as a replace-in-then-hardbus type, no

i would have a real hard time justifying to myself the idea of lynching GL over mylo/GC today lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:50 am

What the fuck is going on everyone explain their votes please

Mathdino · Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:17 am

i get the feeling we're voting GL because he's inactive

Mathdino · Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:14 pm

remember the kodak moment
with the town jam session
god do i need one of those
this game is hard as fuck for some reason
starting to hate n1 scumlynches

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:45 am

fuck it

VOTE: GC

i'm gonna be so mad at myself if mylo is scum and i couldn't get him lynched

look ok but

D1 was either
A. scum bussed the shit out of bujaber
B. scum was too inactive to save him
this is obviously consistent with the "scum on the dave wagon" theory because all candidates for either of these scenarios voted davesaz

i believe it's more likely kop couldn't save bujaber than that GL/brass bussed the shit out of him

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:08 am

As much as I hate to say it, I think this game might be out of Mylo's scumrange. I just started reviewing the meta he provided.

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:07 am

In post 1499, verydark wrote:
In post 1496, Mathdino wrote:
i'm gonna be so mad at myself if mylo is scum and i couldn't get him lynched

This doesn't make any sense because you already had a successful train on mylo...then brass and I jumped on board and you unvoted. We were at L-2.

i also have cold feet on mylo

so part of me not being able to get him lynched is me not being able to psych myself into lynching him

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:11 am

actually kmd i'm starting to come around

can we agree that if GL is scum it's probably GL/verydark?

verydark willingness to lynch either GC or mylo (and not seeming to care which)

think about that scum strategy though

GL opens with light suspicion on verydark

and derails the entire verydark wagon by bussing the shit out of bujaber instead, "clearing" verydark by VCA

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:12 am

i still kind of want to flip one of GC/mylo just so we can get that out of the way

and then go
GL --> verydark
for the jugular if we don't have scum already

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:20 am

ITT: verydark still doesn't know what bussing is

that said if verydark is scum he probably isn't bussing so

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:34 am

In post 1366, Mathdino wrote:On BuJaber wagon: GuiltyLion, Mathdino, brassherald, Myloninja, verydark
Off BuJaber wagon: Ankamius, Green Crayons (expressed approval), Kmd, Something_Smart, verydark

On verydark: Kmd, Ankamius, brassherald, Mathdino
Off verydark: Green Crayons, Myloninja, GuiltyLion, Something_Smart

On Kmd: GuiltyLion, Myloninja, verydark

On davesaz: Green Crayons, GuiltyLion, brassherald, Myloninja
Off davesaz: Mathdino, Ankamius, Kmd, verydark, Something_Smart

On Myloninja: Kmd, Mathdino (policy), brassherald, Something_Smart
Off Myloninja: Ankamius, Green Crayons, verydark, Mathdino, GuiltyLion

On Gamma: Ankamius, Mathdino, Myloninja, Kmd, GuiltyLion (not EoD), Green Crayons, brassherald
Off Gamma: verydark, Something_Smart

GL, Mylo, and verydark voted together in terms of:

- All 3 were on Bujaber
- All 3 were off verydark
- All 3 were on Kmd
- All 3 were off Myloninja
- All 3 were on Gamma at varying points during D2

The only case in which the 3 of them broke was on the davesaz wagon.

I believe this pattern all but guarantees 1-2 scum in {GL, Mylo, verydark}.

Combined with the idea that there was for sure scum on the davesaz wagon, this means:

A. There is scum in {GL, Mylo}.
B. The team is verydark/GC or verydark/brass.

So yeah I'm definitely starting to come around on GL.

Edit: hahaha

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:38 am

Would you have preferred a quickhammer?

Had I stayed on, and had Mylo flipped town (which I'm beginning to think he will), you'd be blaming me all the same tomorrow for powerlynching Gamma/Mylo.

The game doesn't look solved so your mind goes to the easiest person to blame -- the one doing most of the work.

You're reading me based off of playstyle. I'm still going through Mylo's scum meta. We'll see what he's capable of. If the answer is "not much", then yeah, he's probably actually town after all.

Mathdino · Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:16 pm

can't draw the nightkill away from the masons if i'm not towntelling so

Mathdino · Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:41 am

GL are you around

the problem with the not-bussing self-meta is the fact that your entire team mafia team is here and you would be aware that we would think that

Mathdino · Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:50 am

In post 1528, GuiltyLion wrote:Also again I publicly learned of Bujaber' s impending fatherhood in Double Investigation, so the assumption that I'd automatically consider him to be a liability/weak partner is also missing real evidence

oh shit that's true

i'll check the times but yeah

look i wanna believe you but a lot of elements of the gamestate don't add up

have you looked at my recent VCA

what happens if/when mylo flips town?

Mathdino · Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:46 pm

GL into Mylo into GC then everyone? Mass claim tomorrow regardless of kill

Mathdino · Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:04 pm

criteria for D1 scum:

- was too inactive to stop a D1 bujaber lynch

- probably bussed bujaber honestly

- was on the terrible davesaz wagon

i looked through pops's ISO btw and it doesn't seem to point to anyone except verydark

if we hit town today i want a massclaim followed by GL --> verydark

VOTE: GC
let's go
GLscum is only consistent with one scumbuddy and that's VD

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:24 am

Kop's scum meta is bussing and suspecting his teammates. His town meta has no such accuracy.

VOTE: GC

I really think it's more likely GC than Mylo, guys. They could be scum together sure but on the premise that one and only one of them is scum, I think GC is a better lynch.

Those of you who wanna vote Mylo, you should look over the scum meta he provided. His range doesn't seem THAT impressive.

Those of you who wanna vote GL, that's again dependent on a very particular GL/verydark theory, which I don't really think holds a lot of equity rn.

Lynch GC and blame Mathdino if it's town.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:25 am

Mylo, get the fuck on GC. We have a lynch with {Ank, Math, GL, Mylo}.

forcing survivalistic votes out of 2 people does kind of fuck up VCA but whatever we have 3 days

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:26 am

wait why do i keep thinking we're in 7p

i thought GL was at L-1 lol

okay we're gonna need one more vote then

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:30 am

i've been thinking we were in 7p this whole time

GL's defence that he was unaware of bujaber's impending fatherhood is correct

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:47 am

i disagree re: too scummy to be scum

i don't understand what you mean with the GL suspicions question

the only real point that suggests he's scum is that he knew bujaber was scum and he was on the davesaz wagon

the first point is nullified by a motivation question -- why bus bujaber at that point in the game? bujaber isn't known to be a useless scumbuddy.

the second point is valid. his dave progression is super questionable given that he had dave as locktown earlier. but there were other people on/driving the davesaz wagon

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:51 am

imo, yeah. he's been pretty townish outside of his whacko dave progression

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:53 am

i'm saying he gives undue attention to his teammates, often negative because he can't shake the knowledge that they're scum

Edit: then massclaim. if the 2 off-davers who aren't masons don't make sense as a scumteam, then mylo.

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:55 am

constant implosion, no direction, no apparent agenda

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:57 am

his scumgame appears to have direction, he has an agenda, he's making waves, has some damn respect for himself

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:01 am

ugh when i use different tools i come to different conclusions

the fact that GL voted with mylo/verydark alone doesn't make him scum, it makes it more likely that group of vote-togethers has scum in it

but if i go off of PoE and the actual towntells i tend to use to clear people, the only person i have no reasons to townread is you

this is obviously keeping in mind the fact that i have reason to townread people off of davesaz because they have a 50% chance of being a mason

Edit: from your POV i'd say mylo

Mathdino · Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:05 am

GC is consistent as scum with both mylo and verydark

not sure about GL i haven't checked there

this is just the most likely hit. i'm not more than 50% confident on this but we have 3 days :/

Mathdino · Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:11 pm

In post 1617, GuiltyLion wrote:also, I just completed a newbie game that brass was in and town, and I was scum. He was townreading me in that game, but my play in that game was a bit more detached and logical and cautious than it is in this game. I always play newbies a bit more carefully/logically and friendly, I'm not trying to say I'm town by self-meta, but I think brass could have jumped on inconsistencies between my play in that game and my play here if he were trying to sort me. (I was actually kinda worried that I might have to change up my play in the Newbie to better match my play here)

VOTE: brassherald

I know this is a bit of a flip from where I was at earlier, but given the entirety of GC's play today I do get the sense that he's involved and trying to sort, especially his activity towards deadline. brass is coasting

wait a second did you just claim scum by meta though

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:58 am

it's possible GL just poe'd himself out of possible scum from his POV

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:42 am

In post 1637, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1635, Mathdino wrote:it's possible GL just poe'd himself out of possible scum from his POV
I mean that can happen to me as town or scum, right

if I were scum why wouldn't I just go in on Mylo or GC? would I have the foresight/ability/incentive to fake this uncertainty?

uhhh that's far more likely to come from scum because there's less scum to hunt from scum's POV

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:43 am

can someone read mylo's fuckin scum meta with me

i get so bored reading meta alone

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:55 am

i mean it makes a lot more sense here that GC is just scum who's good at playing scum

haven't seen high quality reasons to townread him

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:57 am

would've been real nice if y'all didn't get in a frenzy and vote up my locktownread davesaz and put us in this position in the first place lol

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:58 am

i did it to avoid a mylo lynch sooo

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:00 am

brass, GL isn't scum with mylo, next

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:06 am

lynching brass locks us into "lynch GL for being wrong tomorrow" if wrong

followed by "lynch GC for being next on GL's list"

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:08 am

okay fucking look here are the blocs of players

the dave wagon: GL, GC, Mylo, brass
a VT: Mathdino
not the dave wagon: S_S, verydark, Kmd, Ankamius

if the masons in the latter 4 think that the team is literally the other two people in the latter 4, they should just claim and get it over with because they're getting shot tonight anyway

if not, then we confirmably have scum in dave wagon

i am still not sold on GC being town

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:26 am

the offdavers should really not be talking about each other ever

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:52 am

GL's progression on davesaz is terrible just from ctrl+Fing "dave"

locks him out of lynchpool, sheeps my read, and then sorta just goes along with the wagon for some reason

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:59 am

his case was bad, came from a slot that was solidly in the lynchpool, and was made without my sign-off given that i've actually played with dave lol

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:01 pm

how could you think scum was off a D1 scum lynch

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:07 pm

what are the odds that GC is just bad town who scumread dave, failed to hop on bujaber, and is townreading scum-GL

Edit: @GC: you explicitly voiced support for the wagon, you just hadn't caught up
dave was actually against the wagon

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:10 pm

In post 152, Agent Sparkles wrote:Alright here we go

In post 30, BuJaber wrote:
In post 18, popsofctown wrote:VOTE: Vote: Gamma Emerald

Saying "I have not the liberty of selecting anything about my alignment" instead of saying "I have not the liberty of selecting my alignment" suggests his alignment has two components - a side, and a set of people who share that alignment. A VT would be more likely to naturally construct the latter statement.

Doesn't really rule out a masonslip, but the quality of lynching someone who is mason/scum is significantly better than random lynching, so this is where my vote should go for now.
What is happening in this post?

VOTE: popsofctown
Would like to see a follow-up on this, even if it's late. Although I wasn't swayed by pop's post either, the lack of any obvious thought in this vote is off-putting.

GL's naked wagon vote in 40 looks slightly scummy/opportunistic with the way it came out of the blue, the main difference from the others being the serious tone in it (most of the others are obviously messing around0).

My early impression of pop is that he's chasing what's almost a non-point with Gamma but not necessarily scum for it. The whole mindset about masons is obviously bad and anti-town, but I'm actually kind of leaning green with his follow-up on it. Openly acknowledges the cost of saying too much, but still doesn't back down or make a concession despite the backlash. And really, I just don't see the scum motivation behind it. It could come just as easily from town.

what are the odds that scum-brassherald predecessor goes out of his way to shit on bujaber's post
and then gets replaced by someone who immediately starts tunneling bujaber
brassherald was not on the reluctant end, he joined the game and was like "yeah fuck this guy"

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:14 pm

i really really dislike GL's progression these past few pages

agent sparkles was always a highly likely town slot

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:16 pm

In post 531, BuJaber wrote:Sando =/= pops
Townlean for sando, probably closer to solid townread for SS

GL, Agent - town

Gamma - townlean

LUV, KMD, Kop - null

Dino, Mylon - scumlean
Dave - scum (But if one of those 3 flips scum the other 2 would look better because I don't think it's likely more than 1 scum is hiding within the meme bloc)

Verydark - scum

this is such a strange reads list to parse

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:55 pm

someone crunch who brassherald can possibly be scum with

it's looking to me like the only possibility is brassherald/verydark

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:58 pm

brass has been trying to lynch mylo for the past 2 days and lynched dave partially due to the mylo wagon stall

his supertownread on GC seems almost unnatural

GL is probably a possibility

VOTE: GL
into brassherald
and back to GC if brass is town

massclaim tomorrow, we see if it's even possible for brass to be scum

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:20 pm

I blame this on the masons if they allow us to lynch through an all town 4 person lynchpool lol

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:58 pm

yeah we're lynching that slot tomorrow

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:01 pm

k y'all are bein chucklefucks about it so here's a new hilarious lynch order

GL --> brassherald --> GC --> Alisae

bet the entire game on myloninja being town

if that's true, this order always wins

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:02 pm

alisae we have 48 fucking hours to the deadline please play the game

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:15 pm

- your slot antagonised people D1, self-voted himself to L-1 because the entire meme team of Serious Business lolwagoned him, and got dogpiled

- guiltylion whipped town into a frenzy over bujaber

- your slot was like "yo i'll produce content, let's call a truce and you unvote me" and people were like "meh okay" and voted bujaber instead

- lol bujaber flips scum what even

- kop, mylo, and your slot continue to do absolutely nothing. kop gets replaced.

- kmd gets wagoned for harddefending bujaber because classic kmd reads

- i walk away from the thread for 24 hours and they bring davesaz (my lock townread) to L-1. he claims recruited mason. we agree to only lynch on the davesaz wagon for fear of hitting more masons.

- lynchpool: {GL, Gamma, brassherald, Mylo, GC}

- in response to accusations of doing nothing, mylo aggressively does even more nothing and gets wagoned

- i'm like "yo fuck this" and lynch gamma instead

- now we've been stuck all day arguing over GL/Gamma/brass/Mylo because everyone's hard townreading 2 people in that group and no one agrees on shit. and now we got 48 hours.

other notes:

- i accidentally claimed VT by making an incorrect hypoclaim inno on kmd. dave shouldn't have claimed recruited. thanks dave.

- something_smart's predecessor hardcore claimed town with his replace-out.

- i'm townreading NSG which means ankamius (replacement) must be town.

- kmd did a bunch of town things and then towned himself by self-meta (lol self meta)

- you're kind of the default partner for all 4 potential scum. your slot decided the right call today was to park a vote on me for being controlling when we had a couple days left on the deadline and dueling wagons.

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:17 pm

you should absolutely avoid making any comments on anyone outside {GL, Agent/brassherald, Mylo, Kop/GC, Mathdino}

because from our perspective your slot has a 50% chance of being a mason and we're looking to not tell everyone who the masons are

we've silently agreed that the 5 of us can comment on the 4 of you because we can't really spew anything about who's a mason and who's not

i told everyone i was gonna go find out who the masons are and then i forgot to do that so luckily my reads can't be used to help scum eyyyy

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:25 pm

oh yeah your predecessor doesn't think bussing is a thing

like he was like WHY WOULD SCUM EVER VOTE THEIR PARTNER WHAT I CANT EVEN despite having played 2 games before and once as scum

and then despite being told that bussing was a thing

continued to aggressively deny that bussing was a thing

Mathdino · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:27 pm

because he wouldn't vote his counterwagon on D1

his counterwagon was on scum

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:05 am

scumteam can't possibly be brassherald/GL btw

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:06 am

In post 1750, GuiltyLion wrote:Yeah actually I say lynch Mylo after me if I'm lynched today. Math got it wrong on both Gamma and myself and he's the main person shielding Mylo from being lynched, he should lose that ability after going 0/2 on D2 and D3

also what the fuck dude

you were literally going on about betting the entire game on mylo being town

i'm sheeping you on this one jesus fuck

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:08 am

like you spent the majority of the day flip flopping between 3 people that your slot knows MUST contain scum

to the point where you decided to hard townread both players that were previously my lynchpool and then introduce brassherald (my townread into it)

i sheep you on that

and now you want back on the player that i started the day wanting to lynch?

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:56 am

GL i swear to god
look FMPOV here are the possible no-possible-mason scumteams:
GL/GC
GL/brass
GL/Mylo
GC/brass
GC/Mylo
brass/Mylo

We can rule out GL/brass for reasons.
We can rule out brass/Mylo for brass's bloodlust for Mylo.
I think we can rule out GC/Mylo based on Mylo's ISO. That team doesn't really make sense.

Remaining teams:
GL/GC
GL/Mylo
GC/brass

So I'm calling it. The team is GL/GC. Both have been adopting the "when I flip green what are you going to do?" strategy, neither seem particularly interested in lynching each other.

Mylo doesn't have possible scumpartners tomorrow. The gamestate makes no sense with him being scum. I would rather lynch GL today for failing to realise that.

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:58 am

Assuming we include Alisae in that (meaning we're townreading Kmd/Ankamius/S_S which I think is reasonable based on play (disclaimer: i still haven't gone and figured out who the masons are)), I think it's reasonable to put GL as a possible verydark partner as well as brassherald.

GL scumflip:
GC --> Alisae --> Mylo

GL townflip:
brass --> Alisae (if brass town) --> GC (if brass scum) --> the other one if the game's not over yet

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:06 am

i mean luckily we don't have to lynch you today to be right

from your POV GL is the correct lynch

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:30 am

that was before i poe bombed this

mylo was the scummier player when i made that statement independently

but GL/verydark is a more likely team than mylo/verydark

as such, GL knocks out the majority of viable scumteams for you and is thus the most likely red flip

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:33 am

Kmd unlikely scum with Mylo, just checked Kmd's ISO.

Mylo has few possible scumpartners other than GL.

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:34 am

verydark throwing a fit when i jumped off the mylo wagon:

verydark wrote:This is what's killing me about you, I was on board with your "math" angle with this when you BAILED ON THE WAGON YOU STARTED.

makes mylo/verydark also less likely

so who the fuck can be scum with mylo

answer is only GL, therefore we're lynching GL

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:38 am

S_S forgets that he was putting Mylo at L-1

mylo is practically conftown by PoE and especially so from GL's POV

that's what's ridiculous about this whole "yeah okay fine lynch mylo after i die just to give math the middle finger"

we lynch GL or GC today, i'm stonewalling the mylo thing again

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:50 am

In post 1756, Mathdino wrote:GL townflip:
brass --> Alisae (if brass town) --> GC (if brass scum) --> the other one if the game's not over yet

good thing brass is next in line if you flip town

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:53 am

...why alisae

wtf is with your hard GC townread

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:55 am

i'm asking GL why alisae

and why he's hard townreading GC so much that he's willing to bet the game over someone experienced who he has no meta on

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:56 am

jesus it's probably just brass/GC we're fine

Edit: alisae i'm not talking to you

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:59 am

yeah except that VC is composed of almost all town lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:07 am

GL being right on bujaber was a reason to townread him, not a reason to scumread him

people seem to think i've been suspecting him for being right on bujaber

no i'm suspecting him because his progression on davesaz was shit-tier

as has been his nonsense today with "okay mylo is the designated mislynch" followed by "okay fine lynch mylo after i die" followed now by "TOMORROW SHOULD BE A 1V1 BETWEEN BRASS/ALISAE"

GL you can claim you're trying to gamesolve but every popin today has been changing your mind without really ruling things out

probabilities over possibilities

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:14 am

why does town you push nonsense like this

you've failed to gamesolve

scum-you is free to push whatever he wants to get towncred or to WIFOM up his buddy

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:15 am

In post 1806, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1803, Mathdino wrote:no i'm suspecting him because his progression on davesaz was shit-tier
again, GC's case on dave was an excellent case and I'd say it was dave's Mylo push that was shit-tier

wow so you're saying mylo is town wow that's pretty huh

GC town mylo town

everyone is town gg

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:19 am

no, you're salty

lynching mylo D2 would've led directly to a gamma lynch D3, there weren't any clearly scummier people among {GL, GC, brass}

lack of conclusions is exactly what led to this shitty drawn out day

i checked brass ISO i'm still not seeing him being scum with mylo

he was on the wagon at multiple points that could've legitimately led to a mylo lynch. he switched onto gamma basically when i started hardpushing that instead

you know i'm not in my scumrange, everyone who's checked knows that lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:21 am

In post 1819, GuiltyLion wrote:like revisit the votes on me from Math/Brass because both of those were "well I can't explain why he's scum but everyone else is town"

also it's garbage that Math is pushing on me for having too many fluctuating townreads when brass formulaically stuck to "Mylo/GL" all day

because from brass's POV that's just a correct conclusion

you've made so many incorrect conclusions from your POV

you haven't shown why brass is inconsistent with his towngame, just that he's consistent with a scum version of him

my case on you DID show inconsistency with your towngame given how much you talk about gamesolving/PoE

i just don't know your towngame well enough

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:23 am

nothing better to do

you seem to be misrepping the reasons for lynching you

and i'm frustrated by the massive number of possibilities everyone is leaving open

that's not how to PoE

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:25 am

you see my lynch order

you see that i'm planning on sheeping you on brass

i was also thinking of sheeping you on "betting the game on mylo-town" but you changed your mind from under me on that too

no one's helped go through mylo's meta

no one's even helped go through brass's scumbuddy meta

i've largely been playing this game alone since NSG replaced out and davesaz died

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:27 am

like brass has been the only one to actually go and justify his read on me with solid evidence

so yeah maybe i've been biased on brass

but we're basically heading into a gamestate where almost 0 people are actually doing shit

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:28 am

i thought i was going to get nightkilled tonight actually because my gamesolving is worth more than the conftowns that are probably never getting lynched at this rate anyway

that's why i posted full lynch order (and is why i've been posting full lynch orders all the time)

so idk if you guys are WIFOMing up the NK but thanks for that

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:29 am

i also support shooting alisae

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:31 am

In post 1834, GuiltyLion wrote:yeah and you just lynched a guy who was doing shit and keep refusing to lynch someone who has done absolutely nothing

you've done more today to open up more possibilities than close off possibilities my dude

Edit: i mean tbh i still don't totally think you're town but i'm kinda just talkin to talk here

this game has had way too many replacements/lurkers for effectively all vanilla

and davesaz was a shit recruit idea tbh

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:32 am

This is based on the long-standing history he has. ScumLion is basically a god of scumplay. No, ScumLion is not actually a god of scumplay, but he's BASICALLY a god of scumplay. He is one of, if not THE, most elite scum players on the entire fucking site. And it shows. When he is scum. Things go according to his plan. There are, of course, exceptions to this--but those exceptions prove the general rule. You're talking about the player who had essentially a fucking cop guilty on him, and yet managed to make a mylo mislynch.

I'm not sure how long back this stretches. How far back the absolute lack of wagons on ScumLion goes. But the flowchart was first developed back in 2015, so even back then this trend existed. That item on the flowchart wasn't something added later; it existed from the get-go, from the onset, from the very first development of the flowchart.

ScumLion doesn't get wagoned...

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:33 am

In post 1844, Mathdino wrote:yet managed to make a mylo mislynch.

m'bad he actually utterly failed to make a mylo mislynch gottem

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:34 am

In post 1849, Alisae wrote:Now the real question is
Is math TMIing that GUILTY LION is in fact town?

i don't think scumlion gives up after being lynched so i don't really know lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:36 am

i wish mastina took your slot

imagine 75 more pages of pure catchup

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:42 am

GL we don't even get that many mislynches

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:43 am

you went from townreading mylo enough to bet the game on it to trying so hard to justify a mylo policy lynch that you're putting me in the lynchpool just to create potential partners for him

fucking lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:45 am

mylo/kmd can't be scum by KMD's ISO

mylo/verydark can't be scum by verydark's ISO

mylo/NSG can't be scum because NSG

mylo/smart???

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:47 am

so your problem is that i'm not letting you lynch me and that's why you can't get a lynch through on mylo?

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:49 am

brass you JUST did all that effort to show how i'm playing my towngame here lol

Edit: by my memory i've been roughly fine with lynching basically everyone on the dave wagon except you

so no i don't see how me/mylo makes sense but i obviously haven't gone through my ISO to check

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:50 am

In post 1877, GuiltyLion wrote:Mylo/Dino, final call

the pre-GL lynch and post-GL-lynch discrediting almost has to be scum-motivated

town!Dino knows to take me seriously here

take you seriously on what?

i'm calling brass/GC

i'm sheeping you on brass

i'm not sheeping you on mylo because that's objectively a terrible lynch by lack of available scumpartners

if i'm wrong on GC, then sure, maybe

but this is actually ridiculous

why, from my POV, would i want to lynch mylo tomorrow just because you say so

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:55 am

like it really seems like you're doing this just to punish me for being the voice behind your lynch and for continuing to argue it was a good lynch

you haven't put in the work to see what scum-mathdino does

you also haven't put in the work to see what mylo's scumrange is

so i'm at a point where yeah i'm not overly willing to take you seriously

your brassherald points were decent. not decent enough to strongarm the lynch away from you IMO but decent enough i think to flip you to see if they're coming from a good place

Edit: man i haven't even completed my read through of his scumgame

but i HAVE sorted through the 4 ISOs and the only possibility i see is mylo/smart

which itself is unlikely by independent reads

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:56 am

In post 1147, Something_Smart wrote:Oh yeah sorry, didn't realize that was L-1.

oh wait my fucking bad

smart failed to realise his buddy was at L-1

no

mylo/smart is also impossible

all that's possible is alisae/mylo i think

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:58 am

aaaaand that would mean that verydark would get super upset at me for bailing on the mylo wagon after verydark sheeped me on it for the D2 lynch

verydark would never do that as scum with mylo, never never

so the only possible scumbuddy for mylo is me or mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe a super bussy brass

any arguments tomorrow that mylo is scum over brass will be treated as scumreads on me and will be dealt with as such

masons do the work tonight please

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:02 am

nah i'll just shout at them a lot

i know what my possible scumteams are

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:05 am

like i'm at a point where i can defend mylo just by defending myself

which is a turf i'm fine with being on because i loooove confing myself as town in a dozen different ways

consider that scum-me can win by literally lynching the entire lynchpool

rather than hard defending mylo, a slot more bussable than bujaber

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:09 am

i'm town

kmd knows i'm town, ankamius knows i'm town, you knew i was town before i got in a slapfight with you (and feel free to look at my scumgames to see how i react to people in twilight. i don't get in these fights. i end it.)
smart should know i'm town i guess but idk where he's at
and brassherald knew i was town before being put in a position where he's potentially forced to scumread me

mylo is town because i'm town and there are no scumpartners aside from brass.

the ONLY things that make me scum here in your eyes are
1. me refusing to lynch mylo for some reason rather than policy lynching him like i do all my bad scumbuddies

2. me continuing to argue with you in twilight, which is something i've literally never done as scum

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:12 am

In post 1001, Mathdino wrote:yeah i guess i could lynch davesaz through meta

i'm still working on my metareading tbh

i'm not sure how successful it is compared to just PoE towntelling and i'm pretty sure my reads have gone down a bit but you gotta try different things

i'll ISO dave after i metadive Kmd

this was the post i made after GC's case was made

i obviously never got to metadiving Kmd

i also just didn't give a shit because GC was in my lynchpool and he was the only person voting davesaz until i came back and found y'all ran him up to L-1

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:14 am

imagine for a second me deciding to kill popsofctown instead of

- Kmd the obvious pick for mason recruit

- NSG the person scum-me has to hard defend all game and who's a threat to me

- literally anyone who's aware of my meta

- anyone who i haven't explicitly been scumreading

- LITERALLY A MASON

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:17 am

In post 1896, GuiltyLion wrote:Also if you would bus Mylo if you were scum then why can't scum be trying to bus Mylo here?

willing to bus

not willing to hardbus to hell and back

i don't hard defend indefensible scumbuddies like this

that said:
- brass-scum hardbussing both his buddies D1 and D2? no he doesn't think he's that good

- GC? no i don't believe GC/mylo works based on both ISOs

- smart? smart would be aware if his buddy was at L-1, so that's defunct

- verydark? i don't think verydark fakes everything he has if he's scum with mylo. a verydark/mylo scumteam isn't going to hardbus.

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:22 am

meh i mean i've been townreading you this whole time so had you hardbussed your buddy mylo it's possible you'd win

but i don't get the impression of you that you're a massive risk taker

your vote on bujaber wasn't risky -- he was competing with verydark who is either your scumbuddy or would make you look awful if you hopped onboard

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:27 am

GL you may be the king of the jungle

but rex still means king

my animal avatar has more teeth

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:27 am

In post 1906, GuiltyLion wrote:also I kinda doubt scum!brass fucks around in twilight like this, he feels more carefree than I'd expect

he didn't really react at all to the shade I threw at him

wow you're really going all-in on bad pre-death reads

GL from my POV who's scum

i'm going to be shocked if it's anything other than brass/GC

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:28 am

"math is locktown by play until he makes a mislynch and hard-defends someone who's conftown from his POV"

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:30 am

i mean i'm going to be shocked if GL tells me anything other than brass/GC

i accept that it's possible that's not reality

but FMPOV that's still by far the most sensible scumteam

it's not like i didn't do any ISOs before making that claim lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:43 am

In post 1915, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1908, Mathdino wrote:GL from my POV who's scum
would you be willing to get lynched yourself if the town refuses to lynch Mylo on your green flip and lynch brass afterwards?

this is a dumb enough question that i'm not answering this lol

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:05 am

hell no

the paranoia comes from literally you, who you seem to think gets to direct everything after changing your mind a dozen times

and brass/GC, who is literally scum FMPOV

and alisae who hasn't even read the game lol

paranoia will not come from ankamius, kmd, mylo

why the flying fuck would i lynch myself instead of just confing myself as town by lynching brass

like what the fuck does that accomplish

Mathdino · Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:08 am

you've acknowledged 0 of the many reasons to townread me

you haven't debunked any of the reasons why my play is completely inconsistent with my scumgame

you haven't even gone through my ISO at all, you're just arguing i'm scum off of twilight and because you think it's so insanely difficult to believe that i would stonewall a mylo lynch

you haven't shown why my play is inconsistent with town-me. you've only cooked up a single scenario in which a fraction of my play is consistent with scum-me/scum-mylo.

Mathdino · Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:35 am

Nice.

VOTE: brassherald

Mathdino · Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:45 am

so you're masons with alisae right

i don't think it's particularly anti-town at this point to note that

ankamius is NSG and is thus lock-town so we're currently in 7p with 3 locktown

i'm liking the odds

Mathdino · Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:50 am

goddamn if i knew alisae was a mason i probably wouldn't have lynched GL now that i think about it

okay so my understanding is currently that mylo and i only make sense as scum if we're scum with each other

if anyone disagrees with that, feel free to note

now brass/GC currently makes the most sense to me, but i could accept being wrong on brass/mylo being a thing

outside of that, if there's some way for me to conf myself as town, this game is on auto-win

Mathdino · Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:51 am

the past 2 minutes

Mathdino · Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:52 am

sorry, the past 8 minutes, my bad

Mathdino · Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:56 am

In post 1949, Something_Smart wrote:Who did you think the masons were until then?

So I never actually did the associative masonpool analyses until just now. Ankamius suspected Alisae and you, and Ankamius doesn't seem like a gambitty type.

I thought verydark was a mason briefly during his "I WILL PROBABLY BE THE NIGHTKILL" fiasco, and a there were some hints during D2.

But then over the course of yesterday gut said Kmd was mason (something I never ISO backed up, but there were a couple hints in terms of how he carried himself), and his suspicion of verydark made me think verydark wasn't a mason after all. Alisae seeming to want to draw the nightkill struck me as a scum-pretending-to-be-a-helpful-VT moment.

Doesn't look good on me having Kmd as my top masonread, I know. That said, that's 2 nightkills now that scum have failed to kill a mason, and you know from Three In One that I can do MUCH better than that.

Votee	Voters
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verydark (3)	Kmd4390 (22), brassherald ← Agent Sparkles (233), BuJaber (479)